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  238.  @RainerMichelle  you are repeating a lie. The international observers never saw any Russian troops there. If Ukraine is a sovereign country why was an American State Department worker choosing its government in 2014? If Russia has to respect an illegal government, why did the US not have to respect a legitimate one? Russia is a sovereign territory yet people within the US and Ukraine speak of invading and dividing it up into 5, and then they arrange troops against its border and the President of Ukraine talks of getting nuclear weapons with no admonishment coming from the west. You whine about Kaliningrad, but there is no threat there. There IS a threat from Ukraine and its backers. Iraq was a sovereign country when the US invaded. So were Afghanistan, Libya and Syria. Ukraine was a sovereign territory threatening to invade Russia with the backing of a nuclear power which had been ramping up its anti-Russia rhetoric for years, and it was refusing to stop killing ethnic Russians which it considered citizens. Sovereignty means nothing when it is being used for evil - it is not a cloak of protection against international justice. No moral code has been violated in stopping the tyrant Zelensky. Crimeans voted to return to Russia in 1992 and in 2014. Ukraine does not respect democracy or borders, only power. They must be shown power if we are to have justice there. They MUST be defeated completely because their leader banned peace talks, so a total capitulation is the only way out of this now, and it cannot be stopped. Are you as ardent about removing the US from its occupation of Syria as you are in denying Ukraine's ethnic Russians their democratic response to a nationalist coup?
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  498.  @RainerMichelle  you are repeating the lie about Russian troops in Ukraine. International observers never saw any Russian troops there. There are not just "Russian speakers" in Ukraine's recent borders, they are Russian people. Regardless of where the border lies, and borders have never been sacred in that region, the people remain Russian because they literally are Russian. Their foreign citizenship does not stop them being Russian people. There were clashes recently between muslims and Hindus in several cities in England. The UK authorities were reluctant to use the necessary force to deal with them so the governments of Pakistan and India each expressed their concern about the situation. The people involved are UK citizens, but they are Pakistani and Indian rather than English, and their home countries know and accept that. Many in the west do not understand it, to our great detriment. The border of Russia was placed to the east of a Russian population when it should have been placed to their west. The fighting is rectifying that mistake, which was made intentionally by Lenin to bring a pro-Bolshevik industrial population into the same region as a more conservative agrarian population. Nobody should expend any cost to preserve that decision, but you support it at the cost of tens of thousands of lives, worldwide hunger and what will be the deepest depression Europe has ever experienced. All because of "sovereignty" which was violated without condemnation as recently as 2014 by the USA, and was rejected in a democratic vote by the people most affected by the false border.
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  1136.  Slut Dragon  right wing politics is not thriving in the UK. Among recent victories for the left enacted by "the right" are an increase in African migration, the bringing forward of anti-petrol environmental regulations, and the forced apology of Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski following leftist outrage that he attended a National Conservatism conference. National Conservatism is a civic nationalism movement (except for Israel) founded by a Jewish man; the conference had jewish sponsors and an Israeli flag was flown in the conference centre. But it was called "far right". It was also called "anti-semitic" and "islamophobic". One of the excuses used by the far left to brand the event this way was the attendance of Victor Orban and Matteo Salvini, who both support restrictions on immigration because they don't want their countries to turn out the way France has, where the security chief has warned of a civil war and leading intellectuals have proposed a partition of the country. Orban's country is the safest in Europe for jews, yet the actions which kept it safe are "anti-semitic". It's also safe for Hungarians, and that's unacceptable to the left. Some of the specific policies which have been declared "far right" are Salvini's actions to stop people trafficking, and Orban's promotion of the native birth rate. Recently the phenomenon of stay-at-home mothers has been declared "far right" by leftist media. Orban also revoked government funding for cultural marxist indoctrination in universities. That was called "far right". People who oppose the indoctrination of children into the trans ideology are called "far right". Doyle himself has called people who support free speech "far right". If you're oblivious to any of this I suggest it's because you pay as little attention to current events as you do to punctuation. "what Doyle is doing isn't far right" Nobody said it was. I said it's "far right" to do anything more than to point out the things that are wrong. To be fair, Doyle does do more than point out things that are wrong: he also calls everyone else "far right".
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  1217.  @lotharkarlingi3130  it was juxtaposed with another rocket footage to show the failure of a SpaceX rocket in a maneuver which was performed successfully 20 years earlier. TF's commentary makes it clear that the crowd is incidental and the performance of the rocket is the thing he used the clip for. It is not about the fans, it is a debunking of SpaceX, and that clip is the final punch before he winds up the video. If he is relying on "I was criticising the crowd" he ought to lose, because it is not true. Do we not care about truth any more? Why, in his first response video on this issue, did he claim his use of the clip was fair use on the grounds that it was advancing knowledge, and why does he not simply rely on that now? It's a much more solid claim, in terms of the truth at least. Why did he say back then that the video was about about Musk's lack of progress in using recyclable rockets? Why does he now say it was about Musk's fans? Why would he change his position to something not based on facts, if he had a solid position to begin with? Why has he reframed the entire video as a criticism of fans, if he did not need to rely on a criticism of fans in order for that clip to be fair use? If criticising the crowd in that clip is essential to him being allowed to use it, then he is in trouble, because he did not criticise the crowd in that clip. Would it be difficult to convince a judge that something other than criticism of the crowd was the intent when including that clip? I suspect not!
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  1297. "if two people share, it increases the Capital/profit of the owner." No. You don't increase the rent when someone brings their partner into the apartment, or has a baby. And you don't cut the rent when someone leaves. Anyway, your earlier point was that making people live separately was a capitalist plot to increase profit. Now you say it actually cuts profit? Regulatory capture is not part of capitalism because regulations are not part of a free market. You're not critiquing capitalism. Zoning laws keep the market in a state of inbalance. It is a form of regulatory capture. Think about what's profitable if you own a house, there is a market for houses, and there's a government which can regulate the market. If you can get the government to ban the building of properties which could compete with you, then you make more money! That's what zoning does. Zones, low interest rates and "help for buyers" all raise house prices artificially. Voters love it! But it can't last forever - it's a decay process. 2008 proved it ;-) 2 people sharing 1 house is cheaper than 2 people buying 2 houses. Capitalism can't change that so it can't make them live separately. To kill marriage/cohabitation you need to break the free market and introduce perverse incentives. Once you do that, capitalists will serve the new market you created, and will profit from it. But you should not mistake that as their goal or conclude that they created the conditions they profited from. "These parasites rarely produce anything. Instead they operate as pirates did." You're describing governments, not capitalists.
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  1346.  @Theactivepsychos  why are you shifting the conversation to supposed "greed" and giving me a jumbles list of unrelated things? Unions and "free" education are emblematic of greed but I don't know why you think a community hub is, even from a pro-colonisation perspective such as yours. Are you not aware of the "decolonisation" of academia? Colonsiers are seeking to displace the teaching of British history, literature etc with teaching of their own history and literature. They want British national figures to be replaced in the culture with figures from the colonisers' own nations. This is displacement. You can still, watch a football match, but the players have to bow to the colonisers beforehand. Anti-racists object to this. Coulson is not the only statue to be removed, and there was no impetus to remove him prior to colonisation. Communists have long used race as a means to impose their authoritarian vision; they were white, but using colonisation to achieve their goal. London's statue-removal commission would not have happened prior to colonisation, and is not beneficial to the natives. If removing statues was a good thing, why is it not happening in Hungary? Anti-colonisation groups did not force the creation of hate-crime laws. Decolonisation is supported everywhere the coloniser is white and opposed everywhere the native is white. Do you understand structural racism on a global scale? The people who brought in the laws were "mostly white," you say. You didn't use enough coincidence brackets.
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  1503.  @AddamSolo  since February 2020 I've been watching people like you, and trying to help. I've seen you defending your ignorance for more than a year, and I know you worked hard so that you could be at this current point of suffering. There were always ways out of this for you, and there still are, but you have been made to invest in the lies that were fed to you, so that the path back to reality is painful to take. You refused the truth because you thought the lies were part of a resistance to a tyranny that doesn't actually exist. It was a beautiful plan and I failed to defeat it, but I can still take pleasure in its brilliance. They want you to get the infection rather than the vaccine, and they made you want the same. They want more time for their reset agenda, so they need you to keep spreading the virus and encouraging others to do so, and you willingly comply, condemning anyone who wants everyone to act to end the pandemic. If you survive then perhaps in a few years when you are less emotional and invested you can look back and see what I can see today. Fully vaccinated in the UK: 77% of the population, 39% of cases, and the death rate has collapsed since the vaccine rollout began. Everything you were told, that convinced you to do the wrong thing, was a lie. But you love the lie and reject the truth. You think doing that means you're strong, courageous or rebellious - taking a stand against something. And it's exactly what you were told to do and how you were told to feel.
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  2721.  @highlandsprings5752  I don't have a problem with the facts, but your "facts" are wrong. The USA has only 15,000 flu deaths (confirmed 100%, as you put it) in a bad year, and the number is estimated to be about 60k based on statistical models (confirmed somewhat less than 100%). You're suggesting that the UK has multiples more flu deaths than the US even with a much smaller population, and your claim is not corroborated by the UK government. So I'll ignore your numbers and go with the official data. But even with your dodgy data, covid-19 is still more deadly, and it has not passed yet. It is not the flu. We have known that for months. Please try to be faster in working things out! If it helps you to call it the flu, then do so. But know that you need to wear a mask, that it is far more deadly then the flu, and that it affects people in ways the flu does not. Your definition of it does not matter, it does not change reality, it does not diminish what covid-19 is. Calling it the flu does not mean we should not be wearing masks, just like calling it cancer does not mean we should cure it with chemotherapy. Coronavirus and common cold are not synonyms, and colds do not kill thousands of people. You don't know what a poe is. I am not one, not even in the same category. Just like calling covid-19 the flu does not make it the flu, calling me a poe does not make me a poe. People are selling non-mask masks, so they can spread the virus without being arrested. There is no reason to assume his advice was not literal. Do you know when "flu season" is? Do you know what today is? Please use paragraphs.
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  3087. SJWs are into social justice, not victimhood. They perceive victimhood through a social justice lens, and promote victimhood as a weapon where it does not exist, but social justice is what they are all about, and it is their goal. The alt-right is the opposite of SJWs; they do not want social justice, but that does not mean that people wanting to demographically change the USA are not victimising white people. They are doing that, and the people pointing out this victimisation are correct. This does not make them SJWs or racists. The factual claim that a victim exists has nothing to do with the ideology of social justice. Alerting people to a crime does not make the crime go away; victim and offender are not reversed by the act of reporting a crime. "Yeah and that's why i'm against mass immigration and amnesty for illegal aliens." The disastrous consequences of multiculturalism do not go away when you make mass migration legal. It is the fact of multiculturalism, not the illegality of it, that is the problem. Skin color is irrelevant, but ethnic group preference is not. Demographic change would be just as destructive if everyone had the same skin color but different cultures, histories etc and advocated for the interests of people from their own background. It is the SJWism inherent in multiple ethnicities cohabiting that the alt-right opposes, not their skin. When a racist says they hate white people it is not because of their skin, it is because of the different way they live.
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  3453.  @lotharkarlingi3130  he did not use a mocking tone, and he used "I guess" to show that he didn't really care about them. The juxtaposition of the 2 pieces of rocket footage, and his commentary on the clip, show that he did not use the clip to criticise Musk fans. His claim that the video was intended as a criticism of Musk fans is new - he originally claimed it was criticism of Musk, which on viewing the video you can see is correct. This reframing is public now. Would a judge be interested to know why the video was originally declared to something other than what it is now claimed to be, when the thing it is now claimed to be is integral to his defence yet not supported by the facts? At best, his defence is that he found their excitement "interesting," and that this is the best criticism of Musk fans he can muster to round off a video in which he criticises Musk fans. But that is not what the facts show the video to be, and it is not an accurate description of the commentary on the clip. That's his best effort, and the plaintiff has a heck of a lot more! Here's the commentary on the clip: "It's interesting to have people excited about [the attempted landing] I guess, but honestly I find the rockets that successfully land more impressive." If you played that to someone would they think he was making a point about Musk fans, or Musk rockets? Bear in mind, he initially claimed it was the latter, and did so publicly! He will risk (and probably lose) fans' money on this instead of paying the man for the use of the footage.
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  4039. Trump has not banned muslims, and has not suppressed the media. Building a border wall to protect against invasion by illegal immigrants is not fascist - every country throughout history has protected it borders, or at least tried to, including communist ones! Google and Facebook have suppressed media by labelling accurate stories "fake news" and by removing organisations from their site and search index if they disagree with their politics, but does anyone on the left criticise them? Zuckerberg is a globalist, and Facebook deleted 30,000 pro-France accounts shortly before the 1st round of their presidential election. But if he's anti-nationalist, that means he's anti-fascist, right? And the dichotomy presented in the video is that there is either fascism or democracy. But Zuckerberg supports elitism instead of democracy and won't allow opinions that counter his worldview. He's against freedom, sovereignty and the right of diverse groups to exist as distinct groups. Donald Trump, on the other hand, has devolved education to the states and wants to cut the amount of government regulation. He is not trying to control your lives, he's the opposite of an authoritarian and therefore not a fascist. If you want to find fascism in the US, look at leftist groups on university campuses. Conservative speakers are being met with increasing violence in an attempt by the fascists to silence any dissenting opinions. Yesterday a fascist murdered someone at Austin, and stabbed 3 others. The victims were all frat boys. A week previously, a fascist "antifa" group posted propaganda calling for the murder of frat boys. This is where the danger is, not in a President who wants to have 2 regulations removed for each new one Congress creates!
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  4092. She couldn't opt out without destroying her entire life and starting anew. That's very hard to do, but is an option available to anyone whatever their skin color is. I think that rather than wanting to be black, she wanted not to be white. White people cannot opt out of the racism of the progressive left! We can't say no to affirmative action; we can't say that white lives matter; killing a Bosnian man in Ferguson because he's white is not considered a "hate crime"; when Dolezal says that all white people are racist we have to take it on the chin; when she fears for the safety of black people who watch 12 Years A Slave in the same theatre as white people, we have to shut up and not protest her racism. White people have no power to protect white people. Progressive academics equate "whiteness" with evil, and Dolezal is so engaged with that culture of progressive racism, identity politics and victim politics (just look at all her unfounded claims of victimhood!) that she would have felt their "microaggressions"* constantly. If she had the opportunity to rid herself of what she and her circle considered to be Original Sin, why would she not take it? * a microaggression can only be felt by a member of a "marginalized group". It's in the definition on Wikipedia and anywhere else you care to look. So as a white person Dolezal would have had to be aware to all the progressives' racism directed towards her, but could not even claim to be slightly victimised by it. In a progressive society a "marginalized group" is a privileged group, and Dolezal joined one to claim its privileges.
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  4230.  @IcestormTundra  I'm not conflating current and future trends, because I don't even know what the future trend will be. The current trend is that your culture will be eradicated, and you are a fool if you are prepared to let that happen in the hope that the trend we've seen throughout history, across the world, and in your own country, will change when there is no reason for it to change, and all political power is ensuring those who wish it to change are persecuted. Women's world records will not surpass those of men because there are physiological differences which make women less competitive. The trend of islamic colonization of the west has nothing to stop it, and is motivated by the religion's own dogma of colonization and world dominance. There is no comparison to be made. Nobody paints all muslims as violent when they point out the reality of the violence of Islam. Not all muslims are killing Christians in Nigeria, but some are and that's a fact of muslim population growth which we would be fools to ignore. Not all muslims are killing Christians in Sri Lanka, but some are and that's a fact of muslim population growth which we would be fools to ignore. Not all muslims are killing Christians in Indonesia, but some are and that's a fact of muslim population growth which we would be fools to ignore. Not all muslims are killing Christians in the Philippines, but some are and that's a fact of muslim population growth which we would be fools to ignore. Etc. It's a trend you should not ignore. It's the trend which turned so many other countries Muslim, and which Sweden is not willing to stop.
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  4575.  @davidbrear8642  they banned the largest political party, which was pro-Russian, they restricted use of the Russian language, and you can see pictures of their atrocities in Donbas if you care to look. It is NATO which poses the threat to Russia itself, not Ukraine. The nazi battalions are real, they were even reported on as a problem for Ukraine by western media over the last few years, if you care to look. The west installed a puppet regime in 2014. Nazis claim their support was essential in whipping up the crowds in Maidan square. Channel 4 news website, 2013-12-16: "Far-right group at heart of Ukraine protests meet US senator". The president they overturned was democratically elected in an election overseen by OSCE, who said it was conducted fairly. He was not Putin's puppet, he was willing to accept both trade deals offered, it was the west which could not countenance Ukraine having an agreement with Russia. There was no need for NATO to encroach further on Russia, they had promised not to, they were told it was a red line. They ignored the concept of indivisible security, and their desire to make Ukraine available as a platform for aggression against Russia cannot be ignored. Remember, these people have blamed Russia for every setback they have received in the last 6 years, as well as other matters. Claims of "Russian collusion" have been made and disproved in the US 2016 election, Brexit and a more recent French election. Yesterday I saw a video where a Ukro-nazi spoke about their intentions towards Russia. He mentioned the goal of invading to break it into 5 countries, which is something I have heard from US politicians as well. I wonder which side fomented that idea, and how it was communicated! Russia is aware of their aims and has a right to protect itself. For the good of the world, NATO should have stopped where it was. We cannot expect Russia to suffer 999 cuts and take no action before the 1000th.
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  4978.  @jimreaper1337  yes, it will stop the virus, and there is plenty of research you can look at to debunk the lies you've been told. It doesn't have to stop every viral particle, it just has be part of a strategy to get the reproductive rate below 1. People whose agenda requires the pandemic to continue do not want you to know this, and you complied when they asked you to remain ignorant of it. Why has this fart-based propaganda become so popular with the covidiots? Is it because you all smell your farts? Do you sniff your underwear too? Do you realise they trap some of the fart but not all of it? What do you think it means for mask-wearing during a pandemic that putting something over an orifice can stop some of the emissions but not all? Did you ever consider that, or did you simply comply when told what to think? Did you know covid causes blood clotting? When they told you not to protect yourself against blood clotting, did you comply? Yes, of course you did. You comply, because that is who you are and it is what you do. Compliance with the agenda has become part of your identity and you would be mocked within your online community if you acted within reality instead of within the propaganda. You know I'm right, I know I'm right, I've seen this a thousand times during the last 2 years. You're just one sheep among many. They lied to you about everything, and one of the lies is that all the truths stated by the good guys were lies. You fell for it, and you complied with what they wanted you to do, even when it risked your own health and your own life. You complied because they told you it made you a renegade. They knew you would respond the way you did, and they crafted their propaganda to suit. They own you, and they bought you for nothing because you have a slave mentality. You gave yourself to them for free just to stoke your own ego.
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  4979.  @jimreaper1337  no they did not. You've been lied to, you continue to be lied to, and you think complying with their agenda and their lies makes you a dissident. What they actually said, as you would know if you were in any way self-motivated and not an NPC, is that cloth masks are less effective than N95 masks. Is this a revelation? Nope. The fact that people can breathe through a mask tells you nothing about how they prevent viral transmission. It does debunk one of the earlier propaganda efforts though: that you suffocate when you wear one. That nonsense gained ground early on among people like you. They were actually terrified of cotton, that is how committed they were to the agenda. I see you still cling to the fart propaganda after I explained its creation, its lies and its purpose. You can't stop complying, because compliance is part of your identity. The vaccines were "sold" as 95% effective against infection, based on the results of their tests during the alpha-variant phase. This would make them 100% effective against the pandemic, if people were not sheepishly complying with the pro-pandemic agenda. Effectiveness against infection wanes to about 60%, and effectiveness against severe disease remains high. This was never hidden, but it became fodder for the propagandists who want you to make a bad choice regarding your health, and you complied. You STILL believe lies about vaccines when we have overwhelming evidence to support them. They did a job on you, and you love them for it! You're more likely to be in hospital if you were scared of needles or believed the pro-pandemic propaganda. Telling you that most hospitalised people are vaccinated is part of the propaganda, and the lie contained within it is easy to deconstruct: most people are not scared of needles and did not fall for the propaganda, so most people are vaccinated. For example: 90 people vaccinated, 10 people fell for the lies. 6 vaccinated people in hospital, 5 sheep in hospital. Most people in hospital are not sheep, so it's better to be a sheep? They told you it's better to be a sheep, and you ARE a sheep, so you complied. You think this makes you a dissident.
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  5347.  @DeepBlueAbyss  acquired immunity is not better for anyone. To acquire immunity you need to become infected, which negates the benefit you gain from immunity. So by definition, acquired immunity is not better than something which protects you against infection. You have fallen for the anti-vax propaganda which trains you to want to get the disease rather than the vaccine. How can you pretend the pro-health narrative is "incoherent" when you support the idea of getting infected to avoid getting infected? They did a job on you and you can't see it! Covid does not effect only the "extremely old". The death rate is low in the young, but another aspect of the training you received from the anti-vax/pro-pandemic propaganda is to ignore any negative health outcomes that are less severe than death. Your complacency about long covid is an example of this. Something else they don't want you to think about is that a pandemic affects a population rather than an individual. If you're young and less likely to get a severe reaction to the disease, you still benefit from the vaccination being taken on by yourself and the wider population, because it helps to defeat the pandemic. The economy is still depressed by the pandemic even when the restrictions are lifted. Unlike yourself, many people understand the need to take precautions and limit unnecessary contacts. We can end that need with vaccination. The propagandists also want you to think you actually have a choice to avoid both the disease and the vaccine, which you do not. If the pandemic becomes endemic then your choice is to get the disease or get the vaccine. The former is vastly more of a risk, and the latter can be scheduled. Take a few days off work, get the vaccine, rest, and then you don't need to worry. You can even do it at a weekend! If you get the disease then you have to upend your life at what might be an inconvenient moment, and you're far more likely to have to take much longer to recover. You bought into the propaganda that wants to take away your power over your own health.
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  5348.  @DeepBlueAbyss  why do you need to know their motive? It is happening, and has been happening for 18 months. Originally you were trained not to do anything that would help end the pandemic, and now you are being trained to want to be infected. It is real, it is happening, it is being done to YOU. Do you remember being told it's just the flu and that masks filter out oxygen molecules? It all happened, and is still happening. If you can't see it it's because you don't want to see it. Do the people doing it have a motive? Of course they do. Does being told the motive mean it is happening? NO! The fact it is happening means it is happening. Vaccination does stop community transmission. You've been trained not to think about the effectiveness of the vaccine in preventing people becoming infected, just like you were trained to ignore the effectiveness of masks in preventing infected people transmitting the virus. I have followed the propaganda, I know this stuff, I saw the "studies" people used to "debunk" masks. Those studies showed low rates of protection against infection, whereas the research that tested effectiveness against transmission never made it into the propaganda echo chamber. This is ridiculous because you can prove their effectiveness against transmission by holding a t-shirt over your mouth, breathing, and seeing if it gets damp! So with masks you were trained to think about infection rather than transmission, and with vaccines you are trained to think about transmission rather than infection. You can spread the virus if you're vaccinated, but you're far less likely to have been infected, so you're far less likely to spread it. That is what they do not want you to consider. Vaccination reduces the R-number, and so do masks. The motive to promote safe and effective healthcare rather than being infected by a virus that has killed millions is obvious. Many of us want the pandemic to be over, and we know that vaccination is one way to achieve that.
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  5351.  @DeepBlueAbyss  if the effectiveness declined, it's because there was effectiveness in the first place. You don't need to be scared of that, and you should not lie about it. The disease is worse than the cure. That's why you were told to get the disease. Are you not intrigued by the fact this propaganda is aimed at a certain type of person, and a certain political alignment? They targeted you, and they got you. I have told you repeatedly that being infected is not a way to avoid infection. It makes no sense at all, and all it does is tell me you absorbed the propaganda which trained you to want the disease rather than the vaccination. I'm not scared of anything, but you are terrified of the vaccines, as per your training. I got mine, I'm protected, I looked at the propaganda and compared it with reality. I chose wisely, and you are still terrified to protect yourself. You will get the disease or you will get a vaccine. That's the contention among "experts" now; they expect it to become endemic because of that drop-off in vaccine effectiveness. Only a fool would let themselves be led by propaganda instead of facts. One of the blogs I follow which spreads propaganda is Anonymous Conservative. One of today's lies is about the "surge" in deaths in Singapore. It sounds scary if you're the sort of person (and you obviously are) who does not bother to check things out. Look at the surge, work out the infection fatality rate, compare it to the situation there last year, and have a think about his contention that "it is most likely the vaccines" causing it. He is terrified just like you, and he wants to spread that fear. You choose not to reject this obvious propaganda, so you have allowed yourself to be conditioned by it. You refuse to admit that it exists.
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  5352.  @DeepBlueAbyss  there is no dishonesty in stating facts. Vaccine effectiveness against infection starts high and declines over time. Effectiveness against severe disease remains high. Getting infected so that you gain immunity against infection is not a strategy for avoiding infection. Getting vaccinated is. If you can't work out why getting infected is not a way not to get infected, you have no business making your own health decisions. If you tell lies about the effectiveness in different age groups, I don't care that your comments get deleted. We do not have more deaths after the vaccination rollout. The cases and deaths both dropped off during it, and with the arrival of the delta variant cases picked up again but there was a discrepancy between vaccinated and unvaccinated people because of the effectiveness of the vaccines. Also, the link between cases and hospitalisations or deaths was broken because of the vaccines' effectiveness against severe disease. The last 28 days in Brazil and the UK. Brazil: 865,793 cases and 23,907 deaths. UK: 814,449 cases and 2,583 deaths. Brazil is 26% fully vaccinated and the UK is 62% fully vaccinated. Can you see the vaccine effectiveness there? Do you think you can convince me of such an obvious lie about death rates when I am the type of person who thinks for himself and looks at data? The last 28 days in Indonesia and France. Indonesia: 768,230 cases and 41,417 deaths. France: 645,147 cases and 2,143 deaths. Indonesia is 12% fully vaccinated and France is 56% fully vaccinated. The effectiveness is apparent once more, as it is in all the available data. You cannot lie to someone who values truth! You have been trained, by the propaganda I have warned you about. You do not think logically, you think the way the propaganda trained you to think. You ignore facts the propaganda ignores, and you state the lies the propaganda told you. I have seen the propaganda, I know the lies it tells you, and I know what it trains you to do, because I am on the side of politics at which the propaganda has been aimed. But I think for myself and look at sources, so I have natural immunity.
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  5417.  @fuckgoogle4712  the key word is "protection". I told you repeatey what the masks are for, and you still ignore me. They are not for the protection of the wearer. Those studies are worthless and irrelevant. Do you remember when Trump hailed findings of the apparent effectiveness of HCQ, and the Fake News claimed it was ineffective and dangerous? Multiple research teams then showed that it was indeed ineffective in the late stages of covid when you don't include zinc or azithromycin. But the claims for its effectiveness were as a prophylactic or in the early stages of the disease, in combination with those other things. So the claims were rejected without actually being tested! Yesterday there was news that in combination with AZM it boost survival rates by 200% even in the late stage of the disease, but lots of people who could have benefited have already been denied the treatment. Similarly to that, you have found some studies which reject mask wearing without even testing the claims that masks are effective. But even within those studies they do show the effectiveness of masks. Look at what they say about pathogens on the masks! Where do those come from, why are they on the mask, and where would they be if not for the mask? Without the mask, those pathogens would have been in the lungs of the wearer, but the researchers urge caution lest the pathogens get on the wearer's fingers. It doesn't take a genius to see what's going on here. We know that people are being propagandised into resisting efforts to stem the pandemic, and we know people are using the pandemic to further their agendas. Please stop helping the bad guys.
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  5464.  @lightning9279  you're focusing on the people who die. That's not all you should be considering, especially if you already know they're mostly not in the workforce. Q: How many get sick, and for how long are they off work? A: Many and for a long time. "Not to mention most of the recorded deaths were NOT due to the virus" Are you sure about that? I've seen UK data, where there were more than double the normal number of deaths yet the number of covid-attributed deaths was _lower _than the excess. They are not falsely labelling every death as covid, they are under-reporting them. This virus is real, do not ignore it and do not pretend it won't have any impact. From the Scientific American blogs: The 25,000 to 69,000 numbers that Trump cited do not represent counted flu deaths per year; they are estimates that the CDC produces by multiplying the number of flu death counts reported by various coefficients produced through complicated algorithms. These coefficients are based on assumptions of how many cases, hospitalizations, and deaths they believe went unreported. In the last six flu seasons, the CDC’s reported number of actual confirmed flu deaths—that is, counting flu deaths the way we are currently counting deaths from the coronavirus—has ranged from 3,448 to 15,620, which far lower than the numbers commonly repeated by public officials and even public health experts. As we have known since January, and I've stated many times since then to many people, this is not the flu.
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  5582.  @joe-bloggs.  there was no political control. That's why they waited several weeks too long to call for lockdowns, and lifted restrictions when the number of infections fell. It was never about control, they never wanted this, but you don't understand it because you have failed to notice what was actually happening. You ignored reality and listened only to the propagandists, because you have a compliant personality type. That's the only way to remain ignorant of what has happened for so long. You were told to fear the response to the pandemic, so that's exactly what you did. You ignored the covid injuries, didn't you! You did what you were told, because they needed you to be fearful of resisting the pandemic. They asked you for a "window of opportunity" to implement their reset, and you complied. They put it on their damn website, telling you what they were doing, and still you complied! They told you it was brave to comply, and you sill believe. You still think you were courageous to be terrified by them. If you knew what a pandemic was you would understand the analogy. Pandemics do not happen to individuals, this was never about you and what you want to do. A pandemic infects a population, not an individual, but individuals can help create the conditions whereby it thrives within the population. It requires a population-wide response, which is why the people who wanted to use it for their own agenda asked the most compliant, docile, ignorant dupes to "resist" the resistance to the pandemic. They asked, and you complied. They knew what you are, they knew you would comply. They were right.
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  5739.  @isodoubIet  that behaviour can be checked by an in-built ad-blocker, which can be turned off on a site-specific basis if necessary. Having the blocking in the browser does not in any way limit the functionality of an ad-blocking browser relative to that of a browser with an external ad-blocker installed. All people want from an ad-blocker is ad-blocking, and that does not require an extension. Install Brave and see what its ad-blocker can do, I think you'll be surprised. If browsers want not to implement their own blocking, they will have to maintain an API and a distribution system. They can choose that, but probably won't. If they want to use Opera's extension store they will have to permit extensions from 2 sources, as well as maintaining the old API. That is more work than just reverting a commit. The easiest solution by far is to put an ad-blocker into the browser. Opera has ad-blocking built-in and has not yet stated whether they will support V2. If they choose not to, they will have no reason to keep V2 extensions in their store. Vivaldi also has built-in ad-blocking. According to someone on Reddit, they say they want to retain webRequest blocking, but think it won't be possible long-term. Maxthon also has a built-in ad-blocker. I've been checking the most popular alternatives, and the future for external blockers doesn't look good. Nobody expects to have to install an extension to block 3rd-party cookies, and they will soon expect to have ads blocked in-house too.
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  5745.  @DropdudeJohn  take a look at the chart of Taiwan's cases. They had an outbreak recently and ended it with masks and lockdowns - vaccinations are still quite low there. Masks do not have to stop every viral particle to be effective against the pandemic. They are not 100% effective but that's ok, as long as they help reduce the transmission rate below 1. Yes, people have been wearing them. And a lot of people have been refusing because they believed the lie you just told me. You don't have a choice about the economic impact of the pandemic, but you do have a choice about joining in the coordinated effort to combat it. The virus has an incubation period of about 2 weeks so if everyone accepts that we should spend 2 weeks defeating it, then it will be defeated in 2 weeks. If people resist the action against the pandemic rather than the pandemic itself, then it will take a lot more than 2 weeks and the economic and psychological hit will be far worse. Lying about the effectiveness of lockdowns encourages people to resist them and prolong the pandemic and the actions we take to stop it. If you have a job, you would want everyone to take the lockdowns seriously. You would not want the pandemic to spread into your office or to your supplier or customer, because then you would be shafted. That's what we are trying to avoid. Flattening the curve doesn't just help the health system, it also keeps the economy going by making the productivity gaps and supply chain breakages smaller and easier to handle.
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  5823. The Culture Transplant: How Migrants Make the Economies They Move To a Lot Like the Ones They Left Over the last two decades, as economists began using big datasets and modern computing power to reveal the sources of national prosperity, their statistical results kept pointing toward the power of culture to drive the wealth of nations. In The Culture Transplant, Garett Jones documents the cultural foundations of cross-country income differences, showing that immigrants import cultural attitudes from their homelands―toward saving, toward trust, and toward the role of government―that persist for decades, and likely for centuries, in their new national homes. Full assimilation in a generation or two, Jones reports, is a myth. And the cultural traits migrants bring to their new homes have enduring effects upon a nation’s economic potential. Built upon mainstream, well-reviewed academic research that hasn’t pierced the public consciousness, this book offers a compelling refutation of an unspoken consensus that a nation’s economic and political institutions won’t be changed by immigration. Jones refutes the common view that we can discuss migration policy without considering whether migration can, over a few generations, substantially transform the economic and political institutions of a nation. And since most of the world’s technological innovations come from just a handful of nations, Jones concludes, the entire world has a stake in whether migration policy will help or hurt the quality of government and thus the quality of scientific breakthroughs in those rare innovation powerhouses.
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  6693.  @Pantifaximile  the ideology promotes what it calls "affirmative care". When good people criticise this, they get no support from any organisations affiliated with the ideology. None of those organisations advocate for proper care, none of them support having obscene materials removed from schools, none of them give any support whatsoever to people who protect children. Wickes' position is that they oppose people who oppose the ideology. I wrote more before my previous comment, but the overlords removed it again. Here it is backwards: .daetsni elpoep doog eht nmednoc uoY .gnorw gnihtyna did eh kniht t'nod uoy dna ygoloedi ruoy fo troppus ni gniht emas eht did eh tuB .ydobon ylbaborP ?tehporp a si demmahoM taht ro detcerruser saw suseJ eveileb t'nod yeht fi serots eht ot emoc ot ton elpoep dlot eh fi sekciW ta tog :ib eht troppus dluow ohW .seno tnarelotni eht gnieb fo siht esoppo ohw esoht esucca uoY .ti fo troppus ni shturtnu llet uoY .ti troppus uoy dna ,eta_h dna ecnarelotni yb denifed si ytivitca riehT .desitenomed lennahc sih tog syug dab eht ,duarf ecnarusni aiv noitalitum yrassecennu teg nac eh os noitidnoc tnetsixe-non sih tuoba gniyl rettel a teg ylisae nac recudorp sih taht dewohs lennahc ebutuoy rojam a nehW .gnineppah ton si ti yas dna eil syug dab eht ,nerdlihc ot gniod era srotcod lacigoloedi tahw esopxe elpoep doog nehW .srotcetorp s'nerdlihc eht tsniaga eta_h gniticni ,era swal esoht tahw tuoba eil elpoep ruoy ,nerdlihc ot ssecca s'elpoep ytsan kcolb ot swal etirw elpoep doog nehW .nwod meht tuhs ot tnes steg IBF eht dna ,stsirorret dednarb ,troppus uoy elpoep eht yb tuoba deil teg yeht skoob loohcs ni seitinecsbo tsniaga dnats stnerap nehW ?ssecorp eht fo tuo stnerap gnipeek ,terces ni nerdlihc ot siht od srehcaet od yhW ?elpoep desimitciv ot liam eht hguorht senomroh gnidnes stsivitca era yhW ?PALAG si tahW .yregrus ot htap rieht esae ot secivres edivorp neht dna ,meht htiw gnorw gnihtemos si ereht kniht ot nerdlihc egaruocne yehT !eurt ton s'taht wonk lla ew
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  6831.  @Startraxxion  mRNA is not invasive, and it works. Like seatbelts, it is not 100% effective, and for some people it makes their situation worse. The OP thinks we should sacrifice freedom for seatbelts. When you repeat the lie that they don't work, you are prolonging the pandemic and causing more people to die. All for a little "freedom"? You prolong the current situation when you lie about how it can be ended. The vaccine effectiveness against infection declines, but even after 6 months it is more than 50% effective. And effectiveness against disease remains much higher. They work, so whatever a "pollie" is should be ignored. Look at the data, not to the propagandists. Paper masks are not useless, and most people I see are wearing cotton ones anyway. If you had read any of the research you would know they work, but obviously that's not something you're into. If you read the propagandists they will link to research which shows they are ineffective at preventing infection, but what those people don't want you to know is that masks are effective at preventing transmission! They lie to you about everything that can end the pandemic and our current situation. They want you in this situation, and you repeat their lies for them. They own you. Taiwan used masks and lockdowns to stop their outbreak earlier in the summer. If you think it's not possible, you should have a look into how they did it. And then stop repeating the lies and propaganda. Science is confirmed by observation, not lies and propaganda. Do some observing, and stop lying. There are no experimental vaccines being issued. Stop lying, stop the propaganda, stop being a drama queen. Your lies help to keep you in the situation you find yourself in. Tell the truth, encourage people to reduce the transmission rate, and soon you will not have to fear any more. There is no tyranny, but you are keeping yourself in this state of fear by encouraging people not to do the things that can end it.
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  6855.  @johnhazaras3160  you also can't compare them to any other country. If you look at their transmission rate in the early stages of the pandemic, it is remarkably low, so what should we assume about their policy of misguided ignorance? I did the calculations long ago, and as I recall the 28 days after the 100th recorded case saw a 40-fold increase in cases in Sweden and about a 1,600-fold increase in the USA. Not every place is the same, and one key difference is that the Nordic countries fortify their food with vitamin D. So if Sweden can be compared to any country, it should be a Nordic one. That comparison shows they failed. Had the USA adopted Sweden's disastrous policy, it would have failed even harder. If you want to rate their approach in another country, you can use the Netherlands. They started with the same policy and abandoned it when the inevitable happened. Sweden persisted, and what we can say for sure is that they failed, because they didn't try not to. Taiwan's early transmission rate was a fraction of Sweden's, because they followed sensible policies against a respiratory virus. They had an outbreak at about the same time as Australia, and whereas Australia has people "resisting" those sensible measures, Taiwan ended its outbreak fairly swiftly. However it is achieved, having a population adopt sensible precautions is the best way the get through a pandemic. Sweden did not even try, and its record shows its failure. Australia's government tried but its people did not, and their failure is causing panic among "anti-authoritarians" around the world. The lesson to learn is that Sweden is a bad example and Taiwan is a good one. I hope people do learn it, but all I can see is that people are determined not to.
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  6857.  @johnhazaras3160  Israel still hasn't got to 80% vaccination. They levelled out in the low 60s. You don't need to understand the virus completely to get the response right - it's a respiratory virus and we know how to deal with them. The problem is that too many people wanted to spread it, and "Sweden" was one of the propaganda terms they used. I have been encouraging people to take the pandemic seriously, and sometimes I got such one-word replies from ignoramuses who had no idea that Sweden was actually facing a disaster and was not a model for the world to follow. Herd immunity is not magic, it's just the maximum-fatality approach. If that was tried on a large scale it would fail for the same reason a minimum-fatality approach failed: not everyone will comply. Before lockdowns were ordered some of us had already started social distancing, working from home, and avoiding unnecessary trips to shops and crowded places, in an attempt to stop the virus when governments were implicitly taking the maximum-fatality approach. Herd immunity would take a long time to reach, and the economy would be crushed in the mean time as informed people refused to comply with a psychotic government. A coordinated approach is essential, but it's a lot easier for governments to enforce a lockdown than it is to force people to get infected and die. Do you remember when people thought Sweden had reached herd immunity over a year ago? They've had a lot of vaccine doses since then, another 2 waves of the pandemic, and they are still getting cases. Sweden is a failure, not a model. Taiwan is a model, not a failure. But the Taiwan approach requires you to do something, and to accept facts. People hate that, they want an easy way out and they are willing to triple the death rate if it gives them an easy life. We should not base policy on the desires of such people. We should harass them until they behave like decent human beings.
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  6949. ​ Don Vito  "by law" in no way implies "by birth". "the country has always maintained an open immigration policy for the most part" No it has not. And most importantly, it was not open at the beginning. Furthermore, people had to assimilate because there was no welfare and many returned home because of that. The system today is in no way what was intended, and in no way is it functionally the same. "If we are really discussing US citizens" Citizenship is the problem. Understand the importance of the nationality of people who are given citizenship, and you understand all the ethnic conflicts. They do not lose their nationality when they gain citizenship, hence the hyphens. Nobody has a right to citizenship of your country; the granting of citizenship is a modern colonisation movement. "why try to deprive other people of the opportunity to live here" Why give them the opportunity in the first place? There is no need to do it, and the result is only negative for the people who built the country. Foreigners can live as foreigners in foreign countries, there is no deprivation in letting them do that. They do not need to live as paper Americans in the USA, and if they do you are deprived. If everyone is allowed citizenship of the country your ancestors built, that citizenship is worth nothing and the work of your ancestors is for nought. Can you not see that you are losing everything? "So why try to deprive other people of the opportunity to live here but maintain their cultures. Are you just mad?" I wrote above about what it means to maintain a domestic national culture in a foreign land. To do it they will live together, work together, worship together, celebrate their national heroes and holidays, demand that they are taught their own history, literature, art etc, vote for their own political representation, demand they be "represented" in white culture etc. We know this is true, because it already happens. If they teach their history in a mixed school they impose their culture on others. That is called "white supremacy" when we do it. If they have a separate school, that goes against your goal of everyone getting along. And if they maintain their own culture they are not American in any real sense, they are a foreign colony. So no, it is not me who is mad. Let me say one more time...do not force people to live together. We know it doesn't work, so stop wanting to impose it.
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  7808.  Fae Selja  you do not have a right to kill people. Nothing is being taken from you, you would just be required to act the way you ought to during a pandemic. In Japan they don't need to be told. In America people are stubborn, selfish and stupid so DO need to be told. Not all people, but you certainly are. Do you know how many will die before herd immunity is reached? Do you know how many will get ill, how many will have permanent organ damage and how many will lose their jobs in the economic crash that results from the pandemic spreading through the population again? You are prepared to sacrifice those people instead of doing something very simple to prevent the pandemic continuing. This is not a case of "give me liberty or give me death," it's a case of "give me liberty and give them death". You are not a crusader against tyranny, you are a selfish idiot. In Spain their recent serology testing showed the number of deaths before herd immunity would be about 240k in total, which would translate to 1.7 million in the USA, which is about 1.6 million more than have already died. After the USA recorded its 100th case of coronavirus, the number of confirmed cases doubled every 3 days for the next month, because people don't wear masks or do other things which would stop the spread of the virus. That's why the medical services couldn't cope and a lot of people died, and it would happen again if people behaved the same way after lockdowns are ended. If people wore masks the infection rate would be less than 1 and the virus would die out. That's a good thing, we should definitely do that! But people won't, which is why there is no voluntary solution. Rugged individualism does not work during a pandemic. Self-interest is the wrong strategy at the moment. Research from Hong Kong released today showed wearing masks cuts the transmission rate by 75%. Have you seen the masks they wear there? They do not prevent you getting oxygen, they prevent you breathing virus particles onto other people. You do not have the right to participate in a mass action which will lead to the deaths of more than a million people, permanent health complications for many more, and an economic collapse. I would have no sympathy if all people who refused to wear masks were tried for genocide, just as we would punish people who set forest fires or poison reservoirs. Your actions are deliberate and the consequences are known to you, so we have the right to treat you all like any other tyrant, mass murderer etc. All you are required to do is what any good human being would do. Or you could continue to cower from the non-existent tyranny you see all around you.
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  7813.  @hopethisworks1212  we will need a civil war if the traitors in parliament succeed in overturning the will of the people and ignoring the promises they made. We cannot continue with a government so resentful and dismissive of its people, especially when they are too cowardly to admit what they are doing. They know that maintaining a no-deal option is the only way to negotiate, so they want to remove that option to keep the country subject to Brussels. It's a typical Alinskyite practice to accuse your opponent of what you yourself are doing, and no surprise that it is those who favour centralised bureaucracy over local democracy who are employing it. It wasn't just a manifesto promise that the people's will would be respected, it was also a promise made by the government when they held the referendum. Lying about something like that, and ignoring 17 million people, is the sort of thing which starts wars. You don't seem to care about that though, as long as democracy is thwarted and whoever the latest unelected EU president is can rule your life for you. I know you're not simply concerned with following the proper protocols - no Remoaners are, or they would not have celebrated the other tricks used against a proper process of leaving the EU. If Johnson demanded the EU negotiators include an exit payment of £100 trillion in the "deal" then that would be completely within the process, and completely unacceptable to parliament, so the time for a deal would run out and we'd leave on the due date as per the law. But you wouldn't accept that democratic process, because you don't actually care about democracy, you just want to be governed by unelected bureaucrats in a foreign country.
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  8111.  @monetprod1  we don't know what he was doing, we only know it made that woman think he was up to no good. You might think she's the sort of person who thinks watering flowers is a crime, but we have no evidence of that, and we have no evidence that he was watering flowers when she called the police. You are wrong when you claim we have a recording of what he was doing when she called the police. 100% wrong. I give her the benefit of the doubt and assume he appeared to be looking to break into the house. I also give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he was looking for a hosepipe or doing something else innocent that appeared otherwise. Something else we know of the woman is that she did not want him arrested once she knew who he was and what he was doing. You need to assess all these things before calling her a racist, which she clearly is not. I have had the police called on me for acting suspiciously on another person's property. I was looking for a way to make a delivery, and I told the police that instead of getting angry and defensive. I have also called the police on a neighbor acting suspiciously on his own property. I did not know who lived in that house, but I saw someone breaking the glass in the door so I called the police. When they arrived he was sweeping up the glass. Actually they kept me on the phone and he started sweeping up before the car arrived but they came anyway, just to check it out. He was not the same race as me, so did I call because of his race, or because of what he was doing when the police arrived, or because of him breaking the glass? This is not rocket science!
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  8118. No, nazis are essentially not "a thing"; those people you mention are not aryan supremacists and do not want to colonize Poland, and they have no power whatsoever. But that's irrelevant because I saw a communist begin a sentence with the word "sigh" and I consider communism a hate ideology, and since you started your sentence with a hate-word I can ignore everything you say! That's your level of thought being thrown back at you. The US was built for the posterity of the people who started it; they declared it to be a country of their people, not a country of immigrants. Any immigration that could be said to have built the country happened at a time when migrants had to cut ties with their mother country and were not able to live off government handouts. There is no comparison between migration now and migration 150 years ago. Liberals are authoritarian because they have adopted a managerial style instead of seeking democratic consensus. So diversity is imposed, but permission from the people has never been sought. Immigration was imposed but permission from the people was never sought. In fact, the 1965 immigration act stated that it would not result in a change in the demographics of the country. They lied to the people instead of giving them a choice, because the left is authoritarian. Mexican immigration has already shattered California. It is impossible for immigration not to change a country, which is why many countries do not allow it. But you don't call those countries "xenophobic" because you only hate white people.
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  8134.  @colby25  Russia was still trying to negotiate within the MInsk details until Zelensky larped about getting nukes at last year's Munich conference. Now we've had Merkel saying they never planned to keep within it, that it was just an excuse to rearm, and Hollande has confirmed this. It was always and only Ukraine which abandoned Minsk. Ukraine's atrocities did not end after a year, and when asked to stop, Zelensky refused. No genocide had happened yet, but the atrocities continued and would never stop until the land was cleared. Troops had been positioned for a final push and the OSCE reported increased shelling in the days before Russia intervened. Yes, the coup would not have happened without US/EU support and the energy of the far-right. Yanukovych was not a puppet and did not scrap the EU deal, he just considered a Russian one alongside it. That was too much for the west to bear. Putin is not a dictator. He is not recreating the USSR and has said it would not be a good idea to do so. When he had the opportunities I described before, he did not take them, which should have been a lesson to you. You fell for western propaganda and you will lose your country because of it. A handful of neocons are willing to fight Putin to the last Ukrainian, and they're still going to lose. Ukraine was not a peaceful neighbour. It rejected the concept of indivisible security, sought to be a base for Russia's enemies, incorporated ultra-nationalists into government and military, and enshrined a commitment to invade sovereign Russian territory. It never stopped shelling civilians, even when war was threatened, it rejected peace in the talks after Russia had parked its tanks outside Kiev, and it rejected peace in the talks in Istanbul. After those rejections and the rejection of Minsk by Ukraine and its backers, Russia has realised the only way to achieve peace is by the complete surrender of Ukraine. That will happen, and it could so easily have been avoided. It's people like you that brought this about.
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  8151. ​ @tallard666  how could every person on the planet have immunity to something which nobody had come into contact with, and why does the fact it infected so many people not discourage you from holding such an obviously absurd opinion? What would the fatality rate be if nobody received treatment? What would it be if we allowed everyone to be infected at the same time? You look at the success of the measures we took, and condemn them because they worked! Imperial College London, October 2020; Report 34 - COVID-19 Infection Fatality Ratio Estimates from Seroprevalence "we estimate the overall IFR in a typical low-income country, with a population structure skewed towards younger individuals, to be 0.23%.... In contrast, in a typical high income country, with a greater concentration of elderly individuals, we estimate the overall IFR to be 1.15%" So that's 1.15% IFR for the UK, and with an R0 of about 4 we get a 75% infection rate before herd immunity. That's a fatality rate of 0.8625% (580,000 people in the UK, and that doesn't include serious or long-term illness) and you want me to believe it was 0.04%. I cannot believe you, because I know the facts. Vaccination was something like 95% effective against infection, but dropped off over time, whereas effectiveness against serious illness remained high. 95% is not marginal. We did not disobey the preparedness plan, it failed. Science survived, people just chose to believe conspiracy theories and the sort of nonsense you're insisting on instead.
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