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There was no lynching. Ahmaud was a common thief. He was nicknamed The Jogger because he would enter stores and run out with stolen goods. This was a Citizen's Arrest that went awry.
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@DM 1. We don't know if he stole anything or not as there were no cameras where the stuff was located. 2. A citizen's arrest would have been lawful because Ahmaud was trespassing with the probable cause to commit theft. 3. Ahmaud was dubbed The Jogger because he would enter into stores and run out with stolen goods. This evidence was not permitted in court. I wonder why? That's right so it would be easier to convict the three men.
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@erickanew No this is the truth and sometimes the truth hurts.
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@erickanew The defense also wanted to introduce Arbery’s criminal record. In 2013, he brought a handgun to school and ran away from police who tried to arrest him. There is a video record of a 2017 arrest for trying to shoplift a television. In the two years before his death, he became known to convenience-store owners as “The Jogger,” who would stop outside, do stretching exercises, then come into the store, steal merchandize, and run away.
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@robincooper1182 Don't be silly. This wasn't a lynching. This was about three men trying to detain a thief based on probable cause. This went awry when Ahmaud went for the gun. You never go for someone's gun especially when it's pointed at you.
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They had probable cause to detain him for theft. Ahmaud was a thief and in the two years prior to his death he was known as The Jogger as he would enter into stores and run out with stolen goods. Ahmaud also suffered from schizophrenia and used drugs.
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No they had probable cause. Given the totality of the evidence against Ahmaud, they had grounds to detain him. Things went south when he went for the gun.
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@evelynbaitz2732 Haha what? The three men should win an appeal. There was grounds for them to detain Ahmaud.
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@erickanew Believe whatever you want but that thief is under the jail.
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@erickanew In pretrial motions, Judge Walmsley ruled on which evidence was admissible. The defense wanted to tell the jury about Arbery’s medical and arrests records. Arbery had been diagnosed with schizoaffective disorder after a June 2018 incident in which his mother, Wanda Cooper, had called the police on him. She warned the dispatcher that the responding officer should be careful because Arbery would become violent if the police were confrontational. A different 2017 encounter with police that was caught on video certainly suggests he was volatile. Arbery was put on Zyprexa, an anti-psychotic drug used to treat schizophrenia and bipolar disorder. The toxicology report from the autopsy found that Arbery had not been taking Zyprexa, and that there was a small amount of THC in his body. The defense wanted to present this report to the jury because it is known that THC makes people with Arbery’s form of mental illness more aggressive.
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@katinawhitley9340 The law allows for citizen's arrest. Read the law.
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@DM 1. No the owner said he didn't know who stole the stuff and when it was stolen. 2. If you read the law there are two parts to the Citizen's Arrest Law. If a felony is being committed all you need is probable cause to detain a suspect. 3. The allegations are not unsubstantiated. In the two years prior to his death, Ahmaud was known as The Jogger cause he would enter into stores and run out with stolen goods. Ahmaud's sins caught up with him.
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@angb8182 No you seemed confused about the law.
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@incognito4522 He didn't need to steal anything on that day. They already had reasonable and probable grounds to detain him. If the offense is a felony which burglary is and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, which Ahmaud was doing on that day a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. The three men were within the law to make a citizen's arrest. Ahmaud died because he didn't want to go to jail.
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@princeowen3221 He went in and out of the house no less than 5 times. Further it wasn't a white person running from the house the day that Ahmaud was shot.
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@tbessy1963 They don't need to see him commit a crime. All they need is reasonable and probable grounds to detain him. They tried but he went for the gun and ended up dead.
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@slickric41 The law states that if there is reasonable and probable grounds for an arrest, then you may arrest the suspect of a felony. The felony is the theft of Mr. English's stuff. All the evidence against Ahmaud gave the men reasonable and probable grounds to detain him. He died when he went for the shotgun.
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@incognito4522 Just because three men were found guilty it does not mean that the verdict was correct. Read the law again. They don't have to witness a crime. All they need is reasonable and probable grounds to detain a suspect if they committed a felony. There are two parts to the law. The latter part deals with felony. Did they witness him flee from the scene? Yes both Greg McMichael and the neighbor spotted Ahmaud running from the house. Did the men have probable cause? Yes the video which showed him trespassing no less than five times. Travis when he spotted him creeping around the house where the stuff may or may not have been stolen from. Therefore to a reasonable mind, the totality of the evidence points to Ahmaud being a suspect in a felony. Therefore the three men had the right to detain him.
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@princeowen3221 They weren't there 5 times or more. Nor were they fleeing on the day that Ahmaud was shot.
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@wacvader Don't bring racism into this. This was a case of three men trying to detain a suspect. The suspect went for the gun and was shot. This is about self defence nothing more.
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Why did they bring guns? Because on a previous encounter when Travis spotted Ahmaud creeping around the house at night, he suspected Ahmaud might have been armed. Based on the totality of the evidence against Ahmaud, the three men had reasonable and probable grounds to detain Ahmaud on suspicion of theft. Ahmaud died when he went for the gun.
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@angb8182 Hopefully I won't see another Ahmaud trespassing numerous times at night and fleeing when spotted. :)
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@princeowen3221 The white people were not seen 5 times trespassing at night. Nor were the white people the ones whom Travis confronted. Nor were the white people that fled the house when spotted by a neighbor. Therefore the only suspect was Ahmuad.
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@wacvader You fail to take into account the law that allowed the three men to conduct a Citizen's Arrest. The took the guns for protection as on a previous encounter with Ahmaud, Travis believed he might be armed. Also note that they had permits to carry guns. If they wanted to shoot him, they had countless opportunities to shoot him. The fact is they wanted to detain him but he died when he went for the shotgun. You never go for someone's gun.
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@KVSJVM23 There are two parts to a Citizne's Arrest under GA law. The first part deals with a misdemeanor where a person can only detain a person if they have immediate knowledge of the crime or if the crime is committed in their presence. The second part of the law deals with felonies. A person/s may arrest a person if they have reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that a felony has been committed. Given the totality of the evidence against Ahmaud, the three men had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that Amaud was a suspect in the theft of Mr. English's stuff.
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@layadi5385 No the burden is on the prosecution. The have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the men did not have reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that Ahmaud had committed a theft.
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@DM 1. The owner did not know who stole the stuff, when the stuff was stolen nor from which property the stuff was stolen. 2. Ahmaud was seen fleeing the house when a neighbor spotted him trespassing in the house and called 911. This is the same house where a theft may or may not have occurred. Ahmaud was seen no less than five times trespassing in the house at night. Ahmaud was seen by Travis creeping around the area at night and Travis believed he might be armed. Theft is a felony and given the totality of the evidence against Ahmaud, the three men had reasonable and probable grounds to suspect Ahmaud of theft. Therefore the three men were justified in conducting a Citizen's Arrest. Ahmaud only died when he went for the shotgun.
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@layadi5385 All the defence needed to do was state the law. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Ahmaud was fleeing from the house at the time of his death. The three men had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion based on the totality of evidence against Ahmaud and they tried to detain him but Ahmaud died when he went for the gun. All three men are innocent.
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@wacvader What does the law say? As long as there is reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that a crime has been committed then a person may arrest a suspect. The three men tried to detain Ahmaud but Ahmaud died when he went for the gun. Ahmaud's blood is on his own head.
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@wacvader They got convicted because the law was misquoted and the judge did not correctly state the law. The law states all they need is probable and reasonable grounds of suspicion to detain a suspect in the case of a theft.
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@layadi5385 The neighbor across the road spotted him trespassing where a theft may or may not have occurred and called 911. Greg McMichael was him run past and the neighbor pointed Greg in the direction that Ahmaud was running. All the men needed was probable and reasonable grounds of suspicion. The totality of the evidence against Ahmaud gave the men reasonable grounds of suspicion and they attempted to detain Ahmaud. Ahmaud died when he went for the gun.
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@layadi5385 The neighbor saw him running from the house when he was caught trespassing and pointed the McMichaels in the direction that Ahmaud was running. All the three men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion which they had. The totality of the evidence against Ahmaud gave them probable case and so they were entitled to make a citizen's arrest. Ahmaud died when he foolishly went for the gun. You never go for someone's gun especially when it's aimed at you.
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@layadi5385 He wasn't running down the street. He was fleeing a house he had trespassed in where a felony theft may or may not have occurred.
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@layadi5385 Theft is a felony. Ahmaud was suspected of theft. The totality of the evidence gives reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
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@layadi5385 It doesn't matter all they need is reasonable and probable cause of suspicion that a felony was committed. Ready the law.
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@wacvader Don't be silly. They got convicted because the law was misinterpreted. Read the law for yourself.
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@layadi5385 Here is the law which pertains to a felony: If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
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@layadi5385 Trespassed on a property where a felony may or may not have taken place. All they need is reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Further Ahmaud was seen fleeing from the property by a neighbor and Greg McMichael. Therefore Greg would have immediate knowledge that a trespassing misdemeanor had occurred and had the right to detain Ahmaud. No matter which way you look at it, all three men had the right to detain/arrest Ahmaud.
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@layadi5385 I don't need your homework. Trespassing is a misdemeanor but Greg had immediate knowledge that Ahmaud had trespassed so he was within his rights to arrest Ahmaud. Also note that Ahmaud was fleeing a house where a felony took place therefore the three men had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that a felony took place. Therefore they have the right to detain/arrest Ahmaud.
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@layadi5385 There were no cameras placed where the stuff was located so Mr. English did not know who stole it. Trespassing is a misdemeanor and Greg McMichael had immediate knowledge he had trespassed. Since Ahmaud was fleeing the house where a felony may have occured (theft) the law allows citizens to arrest/detain suspects based on reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Given the mountain of evidence against Ahmaud, they had probable cause to arrest him.
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@layadi5385 Nonsense you forgot to mention the neighbor that pointed Greg and his son in the direction of Ahmaud. Therefore he had immediate knowledge. Further for a felony all you need is reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. They could have arrested Ahmaud on trespassing or on the felony. They had a mountain of evidence against him. The fool ran at a shotgun and ended up dead. He didn't want to go to prison. The good news is that he'll never have to go to prison again.
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@layadi5385 You need to read the law again. You don't need to state you are making a citizen's arrest when detaining someone. They all had reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion that a felony had taken place i.e. the theft of Mr. English's stuff. Go back and read the law again. There are two parts to the law.
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@layadi5385 during the initial arrest none of the Defendants mention they was making a citizens arrest 🤫
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@layadi5385 A trespassing misdemeanor is still grounds for a citizen's arrest seeing that Greg McMichael had immediate knowledge of the crime. You're trying to split hairs. Once Greg was aware there was a trespass, it is considered as immediate knowledge as he gained knowledge in a short period of time that a misdemeanor had taken place.
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@layadi5385 Yes.
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@CS-oy7qp The law allowed them to detain Ahmaud on probable and reasonable grounds of suspicion. Further Greg McMichael had immediate knowledge that Ahmaud had trespassed on the property.
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@layadi5385 Incorrect. The law allows for a citizen's arrest if the misdemeanor has been committed in the presence or immediate knowledge of the person arresting the suspect.
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@layadi5385 Tell which 'lies' I've been telling. LOL.
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@charlesljones2454 Video did not show Ahmaud taking anything because the cameras were not placed where the boat was located. Therefore Ahmaud may or may not have stolen Mr. English's stuff. You can say there was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion based on the amount of times he trespassed, Travis spotted him creeping around the house at night and the fact that he was trespassing and fleeing on the day he was shot.
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Mark Calous No there was no lynching but three men trying to detain a thief. Ahmaud resisted and is now under the prison. ;)
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Mark Calous Nothing will happen as long as you don't trespass. :)
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@DM The only clown is you. Duante was a saint right? LOL. He was a criminal and his actions contributed to his death. If he had complied, he'd be alive. Remember this motto: Comply and you will not die.
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@geraldineallen8060 Your argument is moot. Ahmaud was shot in self defence when he foolishly went for the shotgun. Go reread the law. The law allowed the three men to detain Ahmaud on grounds of suspicion. All the three men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion which they had. Ahmaud was a thief known as The Jogger in that county.
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@geraldineallen8060 They are in prison because the jury didn't understand the law and the prosecutor incorrectly quoted the law. If you read the law, the only requirements that the three men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. Watch the video again, Ahmaud was shot when he went for Travis' gun.
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@geraldineallen8060 The video is quite clear that Ahmaud made a bee line towards the gun and tried to disarm Travis. He was shot in self defence. All three men are innocent.
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@geraldineallen8060 As I stated all the men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion which they had in buckets. Ahmaud was seen no less than five times in Mr. English's house. They had teh right to detain and arrest him. When he went for the gun, he was shot in self defence. Time to move on and acquit these three men of these trumped up charges.
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@bbennyj That is incorrect. All the three men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. This they had in spades as Ahmaud was seen no less tha five times in Mr. English's home. Travis had the right to carry a firearm and to detain Ahmaud. Ahmaud went for the gun and was shot in self defence. Ahmaud was a known thief in the area as shop keepers called him the runner. The is because he would enter a store, take stuff and run out without paying for the items. Don't make a martyr out of a common criminal.
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@bbennyj Read the law. All the men needed was reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
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@bbennyj There are two parts of the law. One deals with a misdemeanor while the 2nd part deals with a felony. Since the stuff stolen from Mr. English's house was more than $1000 it is classified as a felony.
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@bbennyj No the law states they only need reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. He was seen fleeing from the house and the neighbor who saw him fleeing pointed Greg McMichael in the direction he was fleeing. They had the right to conduct a citizen's arrest and did so. Ahmaud tied to be a hero and went for Travis' gun. He was shot in self defence.
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@bbennyj I've read the law. They only needed reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
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@bbennyj You are lying and you are ignorant of the law. What does the law state?
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@bbennyj Here is the law: A private person may arrest an offender where the offense is committed in such person's presence or within the person's immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest the offender upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.
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@alextepe4309 Ahmaud died because he went for the gun not becuz he stole over $1000 worth of goods.
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@frankwhite3659 I know Ahmaud is taking an eternal nap. ;)
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@frankwhite3659 I shall when I see you in the flesh.
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@frankwhite3659 The only verbal garbage come from your mouth. Learn the facts of the case and the law. Don't threaten people because you don't agree with them. Ignorance is not an excuse.
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@frankwhite3659 Ahmaud is under the jail. Now have a peach iced tea and put a smile on your dial!!!!
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@frankwhite3659 Ahmaud is under the jail. Now have a peach iced tea and put a smile on your dial.
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A crucial legal question was whether the three defendants were trying to make a lawful citizen’s arrest. The relevant law is only two sentences long: A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion. In an independent analysis of the case, lawyer Andrew Branca argues that the two sentences anticipate two different scenarios. The first sentence is about minor offenses, such as shoplifting; citizens may not step in unless the crime was “committed in their presence or immediate knowledge.” In the case of a felony, a citizen can act on “reasonable and probable grounds.” Prosecutor Linda Dunikoski tried to combine the two sentences, insisting that the crime for which citizens could make an arrest had to be a felony committed “in their presence.” She noted that trespassing — the only crime of which Arbery is known to the defendants to have been committed — did not justify citizen’s arrest, claiming that detention was lawful only in “emergency situations” when a crime is happening “right then and there.” Mr. Branca notes that when a law is ambiguous it must, under the doctrine of “lenity,” be interpreted in the favor of a defendant, which would mean the men had the right to arrest Arbery merely for trespassing. Judge Walmsley did not clear up the ambiguity, and seemed to side with Miss Dunikoski, telling the jury that anyone who is the target of an unjustified citizen’s arrest “has the right to resist the arrest with such force as is reasonably necessary.” Miss Dunikoski followed up this advantage: “You [Travis McMichael] can’t claim self-defense if you are the unjustified aggressor,” she said. “Who started this? It wasn’t Ahmaud Arbery.” Clearly, it is absurd to say that Travis McMichael forfeited all rights to self-defense. Was he legally obliged to let Arbery beat him to death? No matter what led up to the fight over the shotgun, at some point is could be reasonable to see Arbery as the aggressor. The jurors have not explained their verdict, but if they accepted the prosecution’s argument, there was never any hope for an acquittal. In her closing arguments, Miss Dunikoski made the outrageous claim that the defendants chased Arbery “because he was a black man running down the street.” There had been no testimony to suggest race had anything to do with the decision to give chase, and it is impossible to believe the McMichaels would have jumped into their truck if Arbery had just been “a black man running down the street.”
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@wandabradford3957 Nothing racist about this. They had probable cause to detain Ahmaud on suspicion of theft. According to GA law, theft is a felony therefore the three men had every right to detain him. Ahmaud died when he went for the gun.
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@gregscott1672 She misquoted the law. There are two parts to the law. Further evidence that showed Ahmaud was a thief was not permitted in court.
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@gregscott1672 Watch the defence's closing arguments again. They had grounds to detain him.
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@gregscott1672 What grounds? The fact that he was seen trespassing no less than five times from a house where a theft may or may not have occurred. The fact he was seen creeping around the house at night. The fact that he was running from the house when spotted by a neighbor. Read the law, it gave the three men probable and reasonable grounds to detain Ahmaud. Ahmaud was a thief, a schizophrenic and a drug user who died when he became aggressive and went for the gun.
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