Comments by "N Marbletoe" (@nmarbletoe8210) on "What Graham Hancock Gets WRONG about Flood Myths" video.

the gift of gab! fun to listen. happy equinox!
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@zithanthropus6385 I also read Plato as a description of the Atlantic Ocean and the continent of the Americas. It seems clear, but of course reasonable people may differ. What is certain is that the climate and the ocean are both global, and some events affect the whole world. The big question ethnographically is the origin of the many flood stories. It seems highly likely to me that the melting of the glaciers / and the YD / was documented by every tribe then in the world, and some of these oral histories have survived in some fashion to today. But, flood myths could also be much younger and relate to local floods.
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@zithanthropus6385 I will keep an eye out for a 11.6 kya signal. Looking at the 12.9 kya event it appears like a stream of meteors and a chain of events. The resolution of the ice core at ~ 4 years is amazing. It shows hints of small stuff with platinum hitting for ~10 years prior to the main spike in platinum. Then there's a single burning proxy spike ~30 years after the main platinum spike.
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@nobodyspecial4702 It is not really plausible that ALL native american flood myths were "penned in" by missionaries. But it is plausible that some details were added to some myths, such as the bird with the branch. The Book of Hopi by Frank Waters describes their flood story. I do not recall a bird and a branch, but it has a big big flood at the end of the last age and begining of this, the fourth age.
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Agree and disagree. Flood myths should be common since floods are common. But floods that end an entire era of civilization are rare. And we just happen to know about a time...
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@jakzed It may indeed by a "flood history" rather than a myth with a mainly social function. The timing happens to coincide with meltwater pulse 1b.
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Agree. But there is a chance that many cultures around the world include in their many legends a story that is about a single global event.
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@WorldofAntiquity Actually Plato says 9000 before himself, and he was 2400 years ago. That gives 11,400 years ago. So Plato's time for Atlantis is overlapped by pulse 1b. I'm rounding to the nearest 100, Plato may have rounded to the nearest 10000 since he gave a round figure of 9k.
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@WorldofAntiquity What Plato said is discussed in a different thread, Fred. My point -- and the OP's -- is that the time overlaps, Jack. Do you agree, McGee? Or did I get the dates wrong, Mr. Fong?
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@WorldofAntiquity Agree, it's a rough overlap. It is but one more wiggly cultural arrow pointed at the YD. It is a hint about how the YD affected people. Specifically, this wobbly arrow points at the end of the YD -- not the beginning which had the meteor strike. So that's interesting. Often we focus so much on the YD onset and the impact...
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@WorldofAntiquity You said there's overlap between the meltwater pulse 1b and Plato's date for Atlantis. Can't take it back now lol. No backsies!
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And there is a global flood, but it is coastal and slow due to ice melt. At the most it could have been pulses of a few inches in a year, but mostly three feet per hundred years would be a fast rate of rise.
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@nobodyspecial4702 You're critiquing the Biblical account? And assuming it is literal. That's a bit King James-a-centric but ok. I agree no flood covered the planet. The question remains if the world's cultures preserve memory of the time of melting. It is hard to answer due to the long years and the problem of dating things in oral history. "You remember a single deluge only, but there were many previous ones” (Timaeus 22c, 23b)." (from Plato's Atlantis)
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@nobodyspecial4702 So your position is "There were many floods -- except if Plato says it, then he's wrong." haha ok
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thousands of years worth of stored heat in the deep ocean getting released due to a change in circulation
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@greasher926 And consider that the YD flood was synchronous with a meteor impact that left signs around the world. Was a 'nuclear winter' scenario followed by a lot of rain, and then sea level rise? Smush them all together and maybe that's the origin of the myths...
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3:48. "If we want to..." yes, and we can do that in detail. Find the sea level at 11,600 BP when Plato's writing puts Atlantis; ~60m below today's. Check out the location Plato writes about -- outside the Straits of Gibraltar. Notice how much of the coastal plain is at ~60m below today's. Imagine meltwater pulse 1b acting on that shoreline.
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@WorldofAntiquity Pulse 1b was world wide. All coastlines at the right level would have experienced submersion. (e.g., Bard 2016 in Paleoceanography, ~50 below today's level, figure 1).
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@WorldofAntiquity Because there are no ocean level meters that are 100,000 km wide. You are aware that all oceans are connected?
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I don't eat at McDonalds. This disproves their claim that 3 billion can't be wrong.
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@WorldofAntiquity Me too. However, the platinum spike in the Greenland ice core is at the same time as when Lake Agassiz began to flow East, which very likely triggered the cold spell called the YD. The timing is very close but there's no crater found and we don't know if there's a cause/effect.
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