Comments by "N Marbletoe" (@nmarbletoe8210) on "Vaccinations in December" video.

  1. Correct, a long term double blind is not required. Long term is required, but it can be unblinded after a time. . Makes sense anyway.
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  2.  @RealMash  Getting mad is a sign that you might be wrong, and aren't confident enough to just be right.
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  3. What is your question? I can't find it in the paragraph but I think it might be interesting.
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  4. I think I would rather take an mRNA, but I don't want to be first. .
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  5.  @RibbitHopX  OK yes, I will! . John Yang (NPR) said he was sick for three days the first shot, one day the second, like a flu. So pretty yucky... . It's great that health care workers etc. will get the first round of vaccines, since they will be good guinea pigs. They will report problems accurately and promptly.
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  6. That's weird, it's like a Christmas miracle! Maybe it's the joy of opening presents makes people forget about their flu? . Or actually maybe it is simply that school is the #1 source of spread...?
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  7.  @epicchannel4724  The "world" is asking these companies to rush it. They say "OK but you take the risk." . That is logical and fair. . By the same logic, the vaccine should NOT be mandatory, ONLY by choice.
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  8.  @epicchannel4724  Thank you!
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  9. Yes, but remember that harm from pesticides, radiation, and leaded gasoline were also once conspiracy theories. . For the ones that turn out true... we change the label.
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  10.  @Mel-59  The term "conspiracy theory" is a term that is used to deny things without discussing them. . It's beneath us. A theory has merits, or it doesn't. . The term is today a combination of a veiled threat, an ad hominem attack and an appeal to authority. . If I say you are a conspir@cy theor!st that implies three things: 1) you are wrong 2) I am aligned with the power structure and you are opposing it, thus 3) you are in danger. .
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  11.  @RealMash  OK yeah but we already knew that lol. Not only from history but I have lived on this planet 50 years! . Ghandi said "Anger is like electricity. Properly channeled it creates light." . The thing is to keep it in channel and not let it take over the brain. It's a tool, not a king.
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  12.  @RealMash  I think people are very smart actually. I think that people are not getting very much useful information from the news or the government. . For example, in the US we are not doing any proper studies to count infections. We don't know the numbers, so we don't know the risk. That is not the fault of the average person. That is a failure of leadership.
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  13.  @rogerstarkey5390  dude that's sharp
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  14.  @ghwk-phd2784  stop spamming
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  15. we just need about 70% immunity from all sources combined
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  16. they both should be stated with a margin of error . they are about the same
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  17.  @rocklover7437  They should pay people to be in the trials. Why not? If they don't then how can poor people even participate.
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  18. 0.26% not 0.04%
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  19. mRNA is a temporary molecule and part of the natural cell machinery
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  20.  @Mel-59  You are proving my point. The term is used for derision. It is not a part of a legitimate discussion.
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  21.  @Mel-59  ok lol yes I agree -- we just need a fresh term for it . there are some theories that are too silly to consider, or illogical. (ironically the original conspiracy theory -- the Magic Bullet theory -- is one of them haha)
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  22.  @Mel-59  PS and my favorite silly theory these days is the Bill Gates thing -- since he warned us of a pandemic, he must have caused it.
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  23.  @Mel-59  probably agree on a lot, but I just hate that term! sorry if i was rude lol I guess I should declare a campaign to rid the world of it
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  24.  @RealMash  Oh but we do have some moderately old buildings here! Acoma Pueblo is over 2000 years old. Most of our stuff is much younger of course. . I agree, Trump doesn't help much with anything, in my opinion. But our governors of both parties are also failing to do proper studies to estimate virus prevalence. . I did research in ornithology for many years. In statistics, there are two ways to estimate the number of something: a census or a survey, and the US is not doing either one! . Does Germany have a program using random samples from the population to estimate total cases? The UK does but the numbers are not easy to find. The US does not have any such program, so we truly do not know the number of infections in the nation today. . Surveys could give proper estimates. Raw test totals do not give proper statistical estimates, and are often wrong by a factor of 10 or more.
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  25. If the virus works then you don't have to worry about people who don't get it. . If it doesn't work there's no point in anyone getting it. .
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  26.  @rogerstarkey5390  What is your point?
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  27.  @rogerstarkey5390  Lol like the old song "John Henry" "I got one fist of iron, the other of steel, if the right one don't-a getcha then the left one will." . In that case, the "I" is the mountain that John Henry is hammering into. . To be clear I think the vaccine will work. Not sure, but probably. The better it works, the less the need for every single person to get it. It should be voluntary and if it's good it will be popular.
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  28. I would rather be in the second wave, but I hear you. . The only thing worse than conspiracy theorists is the term "conspiracy theory" itself.
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  29.  @ghwk-phd2784  Oh you are a real person? Ok then. . There is a problem in the message you pasted. It does not use the correct definition of statistical significance. Statistical significance has nothing to do with effectiveness or importance. . Something could be, in theory, 0.0000000001% effective, but we could conduct a study and show that this amount is statistically significant at the p<0.01 level, for example. . "Effective" and "statistically significant" are different concepts.
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  30.  @ghwk-phd2784  Does the vaccine work? Is it worth it? We need to completely separate those two questions. . Yes, it works, according to the numbers. 90 vs 5 cases, that is enough to establish high statistical confidence. . Is it worth it? Science won't tell us. That is a judgement call. . PS I would suggest not saying "almost zero" harm, because actual numbers are known, and they are not zero. It sounds disingenuous to say "almost zero" The mortality is ~ 0.26%, and harmful cases are much more common. .
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  31. Oxfords not brogues?
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  32. in the US there will not be a vaccine card or some such idiocy
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  33. ​ @Beekind799  I think we all want to know the answer to the question Hunter Thompson asked Nixon, "What is this country doing for the doomed?"
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  34.  @TheBlueAnorak  That makes sense given the densities and connectivity of students. . Wait... you mean for the flu, or covid? . In the US schools seem mostly shut down, but tons of new cases...
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  35. no, yes, and no
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  36.  @John_Bradbury  That is logical but also illogical. The false positive rate is less than 0.6%, whereas the vaccine fails to prevent 5% or about 10x as many cases as the test would miss. . So I think that it is quite reasonable to say "I got it so I don't need it." Nothing is 100% in life.
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  37. mRNA is not the same as RNA
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  38. nothing to fear -- except people who don't get the vaccine could get sick from others who don't get the vaccine
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  39. @G J Ok so you make a good argument why the vaccine CANNOT be mandatory, and also the benefit for others if most people choose to get it. Agree.
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  40. @G J I like vaccines and I want to take this one. . However, if it is mandatory I will refuse and fight against it and all future such endeavors. . There is such a thing as a crime against humanity, and forced medical treatment counts as such a crime.
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  41. @G J The concept that we can fix everything by outlawing, banning, fining, and imprisoning is medieval. We are better than that. Think of the children! Think of the logical consequences! . It could be illegal to not get sunlight. . It could be a felony to refuse peas. . It could be a crime to discuss the list of crimes. . Let's not go there. . Instead, let us look to the glorious history of vaccinations, which have been the #1 force for health in the universe in the past 100 years. . Polio: almost gone. Measles: gone. Mumps: haven't seen a mump in decades! . Vaccines are what allow the modern world to thrive. Authoritarianism is the number one threat to destroying it. Let's do the former and not the latter.
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  42. no
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  43. I am pro-vaccine but I will oppose any mandatory vaccinations. That would be a crime against humanity, as would any forced medical care.
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