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Comments by "N Marbletoe" (@nmarbletoe8210) on "Pandemic Global Update" video.
To be fair, they also hype facts, distort reality, ignore evidence and embargo nuance.
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@wisconsinfarmer4742 Yes that makes sense. It would be rather curious if the flu did not decrease in places that are hiding out from the covidians. . We should also see fewer traffic accidents, but on the down side, more news.
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They did real good at damping down their bad first wave, now they are trying to prevent a second wave
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@thomasgrabkowski8283 Yes I agree, the US is an open society, the numbers of hospitalizations is not something that can be hidden or faked. . (Numbers could be delayed and stuff, sure. And the Nighly News can report it wrongly -- that is to be expected.) .
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We can all aspire to applehood. They are noble trees
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hospitals are near the lowest usage since March, but going up a little bit now
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no, that is not possible in the US. numbers like that cannot be hidden in an open society. . delayed maybe...
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that is the box of hamburger buns that says that. . to use them as a mask you use the box instead, just like doctors and researchers. that way nobody gets sued.
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That could be a small part of it, but the lower death rates are happening almost everywhere in the US and Europe. The vitamins have not been promoted much in the US, and not at all by the government. .
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Admissions are going up a little bit. But they are overall near the lowest since March. (These numbers are not fake-able in the US, they are publicly reported and can be cross checked a hundred different ways.)
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And also Japan! Are they? . there are enough nations to do some interesting comparisons
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Yes they are rising (the last day is always low due to reporting delays I assume). . The second wave was lower than the first, despite many more cases. . The virus is getting less deadly but it's still a big problem.
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@kylejones1532 Hospitalizations (as per Dr. Campbell's graph) are nearly the lowest they have been since March. . They are rising a bit but they are nowhere near the two first peaks. . Rural hospitals may be getting hit hard -- that would not take many bad cases. It got the cities first and then the countryside, just as one would expect. No politics, just normal for epidemics. .
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If masks matter, govt should each person an N95 once a month. That's a few bucks well spent. . I think they matter a lot.
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wrong. The US is an open society, which means that numbers like hospital admissions cannot be faked. . They can however be reported very poorly by the Nightly Snooze News.
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@alexserdeliuc8782 yeah i'm as cynical as the next cat, but it's still yhard to double or half a national figure that is the sum of thousands of hospitals. . still, it's a lot better than looking at "confirmed cases" which is not a good measure of the population. . i usually only look for proper random sample studies so yeah I hear ya
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@alexserdeliuc8782 I agree 100. . I did field research counting birds for many years. There are two good ways to answer the question "how many": 1. Count them all, or 2. Estimate the number using a random sample. . Most of the numbers we see on the news are far from either method.
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I don't think the US is or can hide things like that so easy. . However, with no random invitation monitoring program, we actually have no estimate of virus numbers. The case numbers are probably reported accurately but are not the same as the true case numbers.
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but meningitis is not an organism, it is a symptom that can be caused by various organisms
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@wmsatic Thanks for the info, I did not know that.
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in between waves in the ocean, there is still water. . I mean, you can define it however you want, but it makes sense this is the second wave (third in the US) purely by visual inspection of the (unscientific) case curve.
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They are not so great due to big gaps. . But you can layer. A cototn or silk scarf over a surgical for example. (silk screens virus well due to charge attraction).
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yeah r is total future infections per case
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yeah it should only be mandated outside if you are within a certain distance of someone, then it makes sense, except that many people don't need a mask because they are immune.
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yes
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None of the 150 plus vaccines? yeah I don't quite buy that.
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Who's "hiding" behind a mask lol . Lock downs are absurd though, except rare circumstances -- like before it got out of the Wuhan city maybe.
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outdoors in a crowd, a mask would make sense
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Lars Gsänger I am in favor of voluntary measures. I won't advocate anything coercive. . I don't like "lockdowns" but I actually like masks. They are easy and useful, and Halloween is a favorite holiday. . The Govt should send an N95 to each person each month -- printed with a cool pattern, or at least some color. A little creativity could go a long way. Didn't people invent marketing like 100 years ago?? . My #1 issue with the "plan" in the US is that there isn't a plan, and #2 issue is there is no monitoring program. . The Audubon Society does more each year to count nesting birds! . Thanks for the news and thoughts, peeps!
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CDC is fine. The News and the politicians... not so reliable. . CDC is professional and no partisan except for a few dingbats at the top. They can't fake stuff easily in any case. Too many ways to check it.
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Same reason the NTSA doesn't say why a plane crashed until they have investigated.
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slowing it has advantages -- isolating the worst cases will help it evolve to a nicer form, and help hospitals. . i vote for slowing rather than speeding. hate "lockdowns" though. We should get rid of that metaphor it's hateful.
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Yes, and N95 are very comfortable. They govt should send each of us one per month. . I would like mine in with the animal nose print thanks -- cow or goat or whatever is in stock.
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they said that a lot of those were for other reasons. some of it was undercounting covid, most of it was increased other causes
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@ahbushnell1 Unfortunately, the "Case Fatality Rate" is fatally flawed as a statistic. . One really cannot make heads or tails of it. The deaths are a reasonable count, but confirmed cases is not a rational estimate of population infections. . The graph at your link shows what I'm talking about. Click "case fatality rate" and the graph goes haywire -- points are everywhere. It is not a valid estimate.
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yes, but the data is available to show some context. . we're in a third wave of infections (probably) but each wave the mortality gets lower per infection...
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no, since hospitals are at fairly low occupancy right now, overall. . some rural hospitals might be concerned about overloading
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no we don't "label every death as covid"
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Spanish Flu was an official pandemic. There was never a vaccine for it, but it died out.
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I think the numbers reported by hospitals would be reliable. Hospitals and the public can check the data in an open society like the US. . However the "confirmed cases" is not a valid estimate of true cases. There are issues with interpretation, but the raw numbers are not really fakeable in an open society like the US. .
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those counts can be checked in a hundred ways. they are real as any number we see on the virus, and more than most
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@walterlafleur8961 Contact your local hospital and see if they are reporting numbers. . Contact your state health department and ask if the hospitals are reporting the numbers. . Check the CDC site and see if it corraborates the local and state reporting. . Ask people who work in a hospital how full it is, and how it was in the first wave, and see if that matches the general situation as seen in the CDC graphs. . Search Google Scholar for scholarly review of the topic. . I'm not saying they are perfect, but I'd be quite surprised if they are wrong by a factor of two or more, which means that the rising and falling curves seen in the CDC website are real. Same with deaths. They are hard to fake, Elvis excepted.
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it's just a lag in reporting, always have to ignore the last point in most time series that go up to "now"
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The population is building natural immunity, and also the virus is probably evolving to be less deadly. . I do agree we need a new plan though. We can do better than that, and we are, but what is the plan -- I don't really see one in the US
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@ghwk-phd2784 kinda agree, certainly in parts there. . The virus is learning to play nicely, because we are isolating the very sick cases. It is evolving. . Humans are using evolution in our favor, but I don't see it discussed much. That's why I keep mentioning it. Good job, humans! . In general, a novel disease will become less deadly over time, unless it is vector-born or some other process allows it to spread easily from sick and immobile hosts. (such as trench warfare). . One thing though, there are vaccines for animal coronaviruses. idk how effective. .
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@ghwk-phd2784 Yes, Indiana random sample study found 0.28% (twice that if you include institutionalized people)
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single payer health *insurance
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