Comments by "N Marbletoe" (@nmarbletoe8210) on "Pandemic, Australia, US, UK" video.

  1. Unless your state is doing random sample testing, they don't know the true case count. It is probably 2x to 16x the 8,444 test positives that were reported. . We need proper surveys, is my message. And good luck of course! That's the main message.
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  2. Monitor blood O2 with one of those finger things, if it gets below a certain level that's why medical attention is needed. see Dr. Mobeen's videos
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  3. And that 50k could be 2x or 20x larger, with no proper surveys being done.
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  4. link source?
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  5. the term "miracle" should not be used in general for drugs and medicines. it actually makes them sound fake.
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  6.  @mushypeasplease8872  And also where! . Also we don't get true infection numbers. Which would also be useful. .
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  7. We are not estimating the true numbers, so it's hard to call the US approach serious. Draconian, sometimes, effective, sometimes, but not serious in a scientific manner.
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  8.  @sueburek3725  It's all the governors too. All failing to even count cases.
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  9. It seems safe so far. That's all we can say. . Perhaps the question isn't actually if it's safe or not, but is it safer than the virus?
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  10. If we want to estimate true infection numbers, random invitation surveys are required.
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  11. but none of them part of a scientific survey to estimate total cases
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  12. The test is actually very good, for individuals, but random sample surveys are required to estimate population numbers. The UK is doing that, the US and Canada are not.
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  13. time lag?
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  14. Thankfully there was no Turkey Day surge
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  15. but there's no school in the US now
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  16. Perhaps CA should count true infection numbers. The numbers in general use are probably 2x to 16x too low.
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  17.  @JNACOV  I used to count birds for a living, and the US is also failing to do the most basic type of surveys to count virus cases, random sample surveys. (The UK is doing them however!)
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  18.  @JNACOV  Thank you for your report. I agree a simple at home test would be a game changer. In general I think people are doing very well but our leadership is not. The more we know the more we can do!
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  19.  @laurieann4680  ... which misses 90% of true cases due to a lack of survey protocol...
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  20.  @laurieann4680  According to the CDC, in the US the number of true infections in 2020 totals about 9x the number of test positives. . "Survey protocol" = a statistical method for estimating a number by taking a subsample of the population. The most common is the random sample survey. . In the US our "confirmed case" number is not derived from a survey. It is simply the total of positive tests. When scientific surveys are conducted, confirmed cases are found to be undercounting true infections an order of magnitude. . For example, a study in Indiana by Menachemi et al concluded: "The number of reported cases represents an estimated one of 10 infections..." https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7377824/ ...
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  21.  @laurieann4680  To be clear, what I'm saying doesn't contradict what you said. . The test could give 50% false positives, and the test total could miss 90% of true infections, at the same time. . I also agree on lockdowns. It is harmful, and the word is a misplaced metaphor. . Japan has 1/50th our cases with zero lockdowns. Research in Europe showed that the severity of lockdown had no influence on growth of cases. Public health is great, lockdowns are for prisons.
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  22. in the UK? Because I don't think schools opened in the US. That is state by state however.
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  23. We might want to use science first, before saying it doesn't work. . In the US we are not even counting cases with actual surveys. Numbers are off by 2x or 8x or 26x, who knows, we aren't doing the surveys.
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  24.  @tacitdionysus3220  In California they survey the shit but not the people. . On the other hand, people can get tested drive-through, but the sewage has to wait for scientists. . I guess it's the best of both worlds...
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  25. not related
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  26. link source
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