Comments by "N Marbletoe" (@nmarbletoe8210) on "Corey Gil-Shuster" channel.

  1. "jesus was a seditious cult leader" -- "the bible is filled with abhorrent and immoral teachings"  Both kinda true, but Jesus' sedition included crapping on stupid immoral teachings.  He called out hypocrisy and beat it's ass.  Maybe he was just a man, but he was a great one.  
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  2. EnigmaHood agree god's not a testable idea.  it's not big bang vs god, it's big bang yes/no, and god's a matter of belief either way.   however not sure i agree that a theory can't be a law... i think laws are part of theories, like the law of universal attraction is part of newton's theory, the equivalence principle is part of relativity.  as a description of observation, a law is in a sense a hypothesis, because it seems right but it might not be.
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  3. EnigmaHood Yeah, that makes good sense.  A theory remains a theory.  What confuses some is that a theory can be anything from way-out fringe (my ALFogenesis theory) to accepted beyond a reasonable doubt (e.g., evolution).  I'd only note that a Law could also turn out to be wrong... like universal attraction could be wrong at the planck scale (i think i've read somewhere).  Everything in science is subject to the evidence.  
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  4. I think that's a translation of the greek word for maiden, unmarried woman.  It doesn't mean virgin in the original.  Josephus etc said that's what people believed but didn't say it was true.
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  5. ***** In that day and age the Hebrew tribes didn't kill an unmarried mother, but a child without proven tribal heritage on both sides would be a momzer.  Likely interpretation: Mary was pregnant when she married Joseph.  Joseph and Mary claimed the baby was theirs, but Jeshu grew up under a cloud.  He might not have been taught to read and write or have a barmitzvah.  From humble roots grew a great tree.  
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  6. *****  a momzer was a person of uncertain parentage, not proven to be Hebrew on both sides of the family.  Since Mary was pregnant before marriage, the community may have considered the father to be uncertain.  Her son was probably teased at least.  Good point that he did apparently learn to read, and not only that but surpassed the scholars of his day
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  7. MILIFANGR Nice... 'unless you are rebooted in the spirit, you cannot enter the kingdom of all bits.'
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  8. Great book on the historical reality of Jesus: "Rabbi Jesus" by an Anglican priest named Bruce Chilton.  This scientific history shows the reality of his life, and how it can be better understood by learning how the Jews of his time lived.  
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  9. Me Craig Not to butt in here, but the best book I've read about the bible was "Rabbi Jesus" by Bruce Chatwin.  History, archaeology, and how the jewish context of the new testament explains a lot about the rabbi's life and teachings.  He gives a great picture of how ppl actually lived back then.
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  10. Me Craig True... in the original language "day" meant "billion years."  
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  11. Me Craig 'cause the universe is 13.8 billion years old, and I should have said a day = 2 billion years.  
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  12. Me Craig yay, i deduced!  and you're pretty smart, so i'll let the saber-tooth out of the shopping bag.  Here's what i really think: everything in the bible is true, but in different ways.  7 days isn't literal, but Genesis gets the order of creation amazingly correct, considering the ancients had little technology and weren't really trying to explain the history of the universe so much as show our place in the big picture.   And then when we come to the New Testament, it couldn't be more correct.  Rabbi Yeshua is a teacher for all the ages.   btw i'm half Jewish... i think the reason lots of Jews don't accept the messiah, even though he himself was Jewish (ok, Israelite), is that 1) he challenged their faults, and 2) his "followers" later tried to kill them.  
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  13. Me Craig "would mean it rained for 80 billion years..."  yeah, i've thought about that too.  but it makes sense that the creation of the entire universe would be more metaphorical than recent history.   i think it's a big mistake to not believe in G-d just because of a fact of science like geological ages.  that doesn't make the science wrong though.  Science just makes the workings of G-d that much more interesting.   "I know in the scientific world a unproven fact is a theory, but in reality it is a lie if told to anyone outside the scientific circle..."  That is sometimes true because non-scientists often don't get the meaning or process of science.  But it's not really a lie, which is deliberate deception... nobody's trying to fool non-scientists, scientists just sometimes don't communicate very well.  
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  14. Me Craig my favorite translations are the King James version and the lolcat version http://www.lolcatbible.com    There's a cool comparison site with dozens of translations at http://www.biblestudytools.com/parallel-bible/    
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  15. Me Craig there is something to the KJV that i don't get from any other version, something about the language that seems to be grander, deeper than modern or cleaned up versions.  i just found the lolcat bible this summer and it's a hoot, the message comes across very strongly... maybe bcs it's so child like...   Matthew 25: 35) 4 i wuz hungry an u openz canz and not drai fuds, i wuz thirsty an u gaev me some bowlz, i wuz strangr an yu were liek, "o hai," 36) i had dirty furz an yu gaev me licks, i wuz sick an u rap pillz in ham, i scratch bathrum door an yu openz. 37) den teh riteshus will say, Jebus, when did we c u hungry an gaev yu gushy fud, or thirsty an gaev yu milks? 38) when did we see yu strangr an says "o hai," or durty furz and lick yu?" 39) when did we know yu sick or stuck in bathroom and help yu? 40) "teh king will says, srsly, whatevr yu did teh other kittehs, evn lame kittehs, yu liek did to me.
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  16. ***** lolcat bible isn't written by cats, lol.  it's written FOR cats.  why not give them something they can read, when the rest of the animals have the English version?  
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  17. ***** good point. you might have to read it to them.  i mean read it to cats, not to dogs who might not like the lolcat translation.  a dog might think "Ceiling Cat, srsly??  God is a cat?  I'd rather believe in evolution."
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  18. Gunter Raffel you got me thinking... what was my point?  oh yeah: the lolcat bible rocks!  Second, we need to be like children to enter the kingdom of heaven... thus, the lolcat bible rocks!  Then when it came to the religion of dogs, it seemed natural to point out that how one thinks of religion depends largely on how it is presented... thus, the lolcat bible rocks.   I just couldn't help but link it up to evolution, which made the dogz and kittehs and peepl... thus, evolution also rocks!  Haha, poor dog doesn't realize he can believe in Ceiling Cat and evolution, lol.  He can even translate God as Roof Dog if he wants, Ceiling Cat doesn't mind!   Thx, Ceiling Cat, for making teh unevers, teh adoms, evolushun, and sendin ur kitteh to tell us to b good to eech othar :}
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  19. ***** I hope you see I wasn't making fun of you or Christianity... but sometimes we need to take things less seriously.  Plus it was just so funny to think that you thought that i thought that the lolcat bible was written by cats, that's so much in the spirit of the thing.  :-K
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  20. ***** I respect that you tried.  I had trouble too until i read through the introductory "how to lolspeak" section.  Jesus was serious about eternal life... how do you interpret the "as a child" quote?  It's pretty strong language; he didn't say "it's helpful..." but necessary.  
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  21. ***** I agree with you and Gunter Raffel.  If the gospels were written within the lifetime of those who were there, they count as first-hand accounts.  On the other hand, I don't recall Jesus ever saying he was the "son of God."  
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  22. SimplyLimbo That is an odd fact.  Any idea why is there nothing recorded about those years?  
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  23. ***** That makes sense why those years wouldn't be the focus of the new testament.  but it does raise other questions... why didn't he start his ministry earlier?  Maybe he went to India and the early church fathers took that part out...   It seems that there would at least be some kind of record, if not in the bible maybe some scroll in a cave somewhere.  Unless he really didn't do much during that time, and never talked about it to his followers, which seems unlikely to me.  How could he not do much!  Curious...
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  24. ***** "no need for Jesus to go there"  -- maybe for the curry ;)  Actually, there was a Jewish community in Kerala.  Might have gone there to teach.  
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  25. ***** r u saying Jesus refused to step outside the '67 borders?  
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  26. ***** ok, interesting.  i didn't know that.  so why would he not go a bit further... i'm not saying he did, but why is it impossible?
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  27. ***** can u light a fire on beltane?  
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  28. ***** was joke.  but idk, probably Celtic religion had some strict rules...
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  29. ***** ok, that's kewl  (i didn't say you were) 
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  30. 5winder Amen, brother.  Jesus even accepts a buddhist hindu animist biologist jew like myself!  He's my rabbi.
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  31. Me Craig that's what people who knew him called him back then, including the apostles.  
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  32. Me Craig for example, in the KJV: John 1:38 Then Jesus turned, and saw them following, and saith unto them, What seek ye? They said unto him, Rabbi, (which is to say, being interpreted, Master,) where dwellest thou? John 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. John 3:2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. So here's Nathanael, and crowds of people impressed by his work.  I reckon those who knew him during his ministry called him that, especially his followers. 
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  33. ***** Who's hated Gd?  By name please?  Because you might want to write those names down and give the list to Gd, in case His list has any mistakes.
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  34. ***** You have reason to believe that some jewish people have hated god.  The same could be said for any group you care to name.  Guilt by association is not reason for conviction.  
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