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@whatisdoneinthedarkwillbeb9204
If you’re doubting the data simply because you want to consider the government the boogie man, you’re just not qualified to comment.
Your comments aren’t even relevant. Yes, we know it,takes,time for the vaccines to become effective. But they don’t become effective for the unvaccinated.
Yes, we know there are break through cases of infection even with the vaccinated. However, being vaccinated reduces the chance of infection, reduces chance of serious symptoms, and reduces risk of spreading the virus. In every way, it is a better option.
Yes, distancing and wearing masks is also a helpful measure, knowing full well those measures aren’t as effective as vaccinations.
People with the shots may still be going to the hospital, but at least they have taken the best precaution they can, contrasting them to people who,refuse the vaccine simply because they are afraid of the boogie man.
Do,you understand what an equivocation fallacy is? It seems like ya don’t, little man.
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COVID-19 among children and adolescents
Children and adolescents can be infected with SARS-CoV-2, can get sick with COVID-19, and can spread the virus to others.9-15 In the United States through March 2021, the estimated cumulative rates of SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 symptomatic illness in children ages 5-17 years were comparable to infection and symptomatic illness rates in adults ages 18-49 and higher than rates in adults ages 50 and older.16 Estimated cumulative rates of infection and symptomatic illness in children ages 0-4 years are roughly half of those in children ages 5-17 years, but are comparable to those in adults ages 65 years or older. These cumulative rates were estimated from CDC models that account for under-detection among reported cases.17
Several studies conducted early during the COVID-19 pandemic suggested that the incidence rate among children and adolescents was lower than among adults.9, 10, 18-23 However, the lower incidence rates may have been due in part to children, when compared to adults, having fewer opportunities for exposure (due to school, daycare, and activity closures) and a lower probability of being tested.17 Studies that have systematically tested children and adolescents, irrespective of symptoms, for acute SARS-CoV-2 infection (using antigen or RT-PCR assays) or prior infection (through antibody testing) have found their rates of infection can be comparable, and in some settings higher, than in adults.12, 15, 24-29
Children and adolescents can also transmit SARS-CoV-2 infection to others. Early during the COVID-19 pandemic, children were not commonly identified as index cases in household or other clusters9, 10 largely because schools and extracurricular activities around the world were closed or no longer held in-person. However, outbreaks among adolescents attending camps, sports events, and schools have demonstrated that adolescents can transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others.11, 14, 30 Furthermore, transmission studies that have examined secondary infection risk from children and adolescents to household contacts who are rapidly, frequently, and systematically tested demonstrate that transmission does occur.29, 31
Compared with adults, children and adolescents who are infected with SARS-CoV-2 are more commonly asymptomatic (never develop symptoms) or have mild, non-specific symptoms (e.g. headache, sore throat).32-36 Similar to adults with SARS-CoV-2 infections, children and adolescents can spread SARS-CoV-2 to others when they do not have symptoms or have mild, non-specific symptoms and thus might not know that they are infected and infectious. Children are less likely to develop severe illness or die from COVID-19.23, 37-39 Nonetheless, 271 COVID-19 deaths among persons ages 5-17 years and 120 deaths among those 0-4 years have been reported to the National Center for Health Statistics through July 7, 2021.8 The extent to which children suffer long-term consequences of COVID-19 is still unknown.40 Although rates of severe outcomes (e.g. hospitalization, mortality) from COVID-19 among children and adolescents are low,41, 42 youth who belong to some racial and ethnic minority groups are disproportionately affected similar to adults. For example, a higher proportion of COVID-19 cases in school-aged children who are Hispanic or Latino or are Black or African American were hospitalized or required intensive care unit (ICU) admission than reported among White school-aged children.41 Underlying medical conditions are also more commonly reported among children who are hospitalized or admitted to an ICU than those not.41, 43 CDC’s COVID Data Tracker provides up-to-date information on Demographic Trends of COVID-19 cases and deaths in the US reported to CDC.
The evidence that children and adolescents can be infected with, get sick from, and transmit SARS-CoV-2 continues to evolve. As with the studies from early during the COVID-19 pandemic, the quality and comparability of reported studies is affected by the study design, the method used to detect SARS-CoV-2 infection, the prevention measures in place during the study period, and the background rate of infection in the community.33, 44, 45 The introduction of new variants of the virus into the population likely will further affect the evolving epidemiology and interpretation of future studies as will understanding how transmission varies by the age of the child. COVID-19 vaccination of adults and adolescents could also impact the incidence of COVID-19 in the United States, as young children will comprise a greater proportion of the population who are unvaccinated and therefore at risk.
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Rev. Cletus Thudbuckle
If you want to do this, I’m game.
Please be civil. You’re already a little triggered.
You don’t get to blame the murder of millions of people simply because of lack of a belief in a god.
Also, you literally worship an alleged god that drowned almost everybody, allegedly. Right?
Get of your moral unicorn. You can’t win this argument.
According to biblical text, your god is responsible for murdering more people than anyone, ever. Thousands of times over.
As for evidence to the contrary for claims of the existence of gods?
That would depend on the claim of course.
If we use the Noah’s Ark story of a claim of something your god had a part in, the is overwhelming evidence against all such claims.
If we use the biblical creation story, we have over whelming evidence against all such claims.
If we use claims of a man living in a fish, or walking on water, we have evidence to the contrary.
I don’t claim to be an arbiter of evidence. However, you used a logical fallacy which is a demonstration that you believe without warrant, and don’t know it.
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@livefree316
I’m happy to engage. Let’s see if you can keep up, remain honest, and participate on an intellectual level.
Your challenge is for me to prove I have enough knowledge to deny (your) god’s existence.
My claim isn’t that I know a god doesn’t exist. But that isn’t the standard we use.
By that standard, you can’t prove Allah doesn’t exist. You can’t prove Vishnu doesn’t exist. You can’t prove Odin doesn’t exist.
For that matter, you can pt prove unicorns and BigFoot doesn’t exist.
So this isn’t a matter of being knowledgeable enough to prove a god doesn’t exist.
It’s about being knowledgeable enough to recognize that standard isn’t useful.
The problem here is your failure to meet your burden of proof.
What you don’t have is warrant to conclude any gods actually do exist.
Yet, you’re convinced.
I am knowledgeable to know that If you claim a god exists, you own the burden of proof. this is where you need to acknowledge the difference
As for your riddles, order can result from chaos and non order. This can be demonstrated in any number of various experiments.
“Can no life create life?” The phrasing of this question is a problem. “Can life result from non-life?” Is a better way to phrase it.
Creation requires a creator. But you don’t get to apply the title of “creation” unless you can first demonstrate a creator. And you can’t.
You can’t demonstrate any gods exist, or any gods created life. And of course, you have a problem with infinite regress.
Did your god create itself out of non-existence? Careful not to use special pleading for something you can’t demonstrate exists.
What do,you know,of the gospels and scripture? Do,you even know who wrote the gospels? Of course you don’t. They are anonymous writings.
And you don’t have original manuscripts. You have writing from decades after the event, based on hearsay from one zealot, of supernatural events that don’t actually take place in reality.
For centuries, people have believed in various gods. Many people believe in the god of Abraham. Judaism is based on the god of Abraham. Are you Jewish?
Islam is based on the god of Abraham. Are you Muslim? Mormonism is based on the god of Abraham. Are you Mormon?
The point here is that many people are convinced of things that conflict with each other. The number of people who are convinced isn’t relevant to whether or not the claims are true. This is the outsider’s test.
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@mikewagner1614
First,if a God created all things, then a god is responsible for slavery.
If god created humans knowing humans would create slavery, god would still be at least in part responsible.
And if the Bible is God’s word, and the Bible makes slavery permissible by law….
Then nothing else you say matters.
Slavery is immoral based on the suffering it causes. And according to doctrine, your god made it permissible by law.
Your god didn’t say do t own people as property the way he said don’t eat shell fish, right?
Could have, but didn’t? Immoral.
Death doesn’t allow for freedom from anything.
You need to stop pretending any of it is real.
By the way, I am open minded on the subject, more so than you are. Enough to not carry presuppositions along when investigating whether or not claims are true,
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@theglenlivet3372
The comparison fails at many levels, which have been pointed out.
They’re not being punished for exercising their freedom. They’re also free to get the vaccine.
They’re deny the most cost effective and efficient means of medicine, and opting to put other people’s lives at risk both by being at higher risk of spreading the virus, but also by risking taking an ICU bed where people who need other urgent surgery and then denied due to an overwhelmed system.
They’re not denied their freedom, but their choices have consequences.
Yes, there are other lifestyles that endanger lives. Such as driving under the influence, and we mandate against that.
However, if you’re comparing a lifestyle of questionable eating habits which take 50 years to create an impact, versus a virus which takes days, you’re engaging in an equivocation fallacy, and doing so against the advise of medical experts.
If the only reason they deny the vaccine is because they are free to do so, their choice is unethical and immoral.
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@geoffreyk6229
You keep saying that, but you do so with completely incredulity.
A scientific theory is the highest level a concept can reach. No other field of study has as much evidence than the scientific theory of evolution.
A scientific theory, by the way, is a model based on demonstrable facts.
Is there a lot to be answered? Sure. Is evolution still fact? Yes. We may discover more details, but those details won’t reverse everything we know about evolution. It won’t erase what we already know about DNA.
When you say no scientists claim to be proven, this means that you have never bothered to study this field of science.
Science wouldn’t use a term like “proven” to begin with. We can demonstrate facts. We have witnessed evolution in laboratories, and in the wild.
We can see it in the fossil record and in DNA sequencing.
This is a great example of how religion poisons everything. You are flat out rejecting science, when you don’t have the first clue what science is, says, or how it works.
And you do so in order to preserve religious beliefs.
You argue science and religion are compatible, but you don’t even know what science is, says, or how it works.
Then you argue that science doesn’t say what science does say, because you simply don’t know better, and have no understanding of science.
Maybe you should start there. Take some time and find out what the scientific theory of evolution is. Then, come back.
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@jgdecaro1
So, you worship the god of slavery….
Exodus 21 “Now these are the rules that you shall set before them. 2 When you buy a Hebrew slave,[a] he shall serve six years, and in the seventh he shall go out free, for nothing. 3 If he comes in single, he shall go out single; if he comes in married, then his wife shall go out with him. 4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out alone. 5 But if the slave plainly says, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free,’ 6 then his master shall bring him to God, and he shall bring him to the door or the doorpost. And his master shall bore his ear through with an awl, and he shall be his slave forever.
Leviticus 25
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
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Phinehas (commissioned by Moses and Phinehas' father Eleazar) waged a war against the Midianites, killing all men and boys including their five kings, and taking all livestock, women and girls captive. Moses instructed the soldiers to kill all women who had ever had sex with a man, and to keep the women and girls who were still virgins for themselves. The spoils of war were then divided between the Israelite civilians, soldiers and the god Yahweh.
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@jgdecaro1
Wow, that’s weird. I would never torture someone, or kill someone, or rape someone, or beat someone.
That would be awful. Remember, those things aren’t a sin if your God commands them to be done though…right?
These things would be immoral, of course. Not a sin.
Lying isn’t necessarily immoral either. If you’re hiding Ann Frank, lying to Nazis about whether she is hiding in the attack isn’t immoral.
Torturing someone…like eternal torment for temporal crimes is immoral. Not a sin. So Hell is immoral.
So, you’ve just demonstrated your God is immoral, even if it is imaginary. And so are you, for worshipping it.
We know castles are built by humans. We have examples of that happening.
We have evidence of George Washington existing. Claims about George Washington aren’t supernatural claims.
Wind can be measured and explained through natural processes.
Whether something happened in history isn’t dependent on whether or not I witnessed it.
Houses and paintings are known to be created by humans and we have inductive evidence to support those claims.
We know and can demonstrate humans exist.
Trees, animals are biological, and have natural explanations. Water and dirt also have natural explanations.
What we don’t have any evidence of are minds or consciousness resulting from anything other than a physical brain.
See, we do have evidence of quantum fields, then laws of physics, then chemistry, then biology, then physical brains, then consciousness.
What you don’t have evidence of is a mind or consciousness resulting prior to the rest.
I’ve just defeated every point in your rant.
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@jgdecaro1
Your communication needs improvement. Don’t tell me that I made a decision to sell myself into slavery.
That is false and poor communication. You’re referring to those who engaged in indentured servitude.
And like I said before, this wasn’t the only form of slavery. There was also chattel slavery as well.
People would be owned for life, and passed down as property as an inheritance.
This wouldn’t be indentured servitude. This would be chattel slavery.
Besides that, read it again more closely…
If a person owned a man and women as slaves, and the woman had children…
The man would be released after six years. Or the man could chose to stay.
The women would not be released after six years.
But also, if those slaves had children, the children were not indentured servants paying off a debt.
The children would be owned as property. Slaves for life.
And they could be beaten according to your immoral God’s laws.
When a daughter is sold into slavery, she made a choice? Or did her father?
When God says purchase slaves from the heathens around you, you’re certain those were all indentured servants? How?
Laws for indentured servants applied only to Hebrews, which is another fact that dismantles your argument.
You worship the God,of slavery, even if that god is fiction.
That makes both you and your god immoral.
Now, do,you want to address the fact that, according to doctrine, your god drown pregnant women and babies?
Also, immoral.
Do you want to address the fact that external torment for temporal crimes are both unjust and immoral?
What you are saying goes against what the doctrine actually says.
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@lb7144
If you think requiring evidence is a bad thing, it’s no,wonder you’re convinced.
Faith is the excuse people,use when they don’t have evidence. Sorry, I have higher standards.
Here is the problem with faith; Muslims use it. Hindus use it. Mormons use it. Jews use it.
So how reliable is faith when pursuing truth? It becomes a barrier.
But no, you don’t get to suggest that nothing someone says would convince me.
That is false, and dishonest.
If you believe a God exists, you can ask God what would convince me.
God would know, right? Then just tell me.
Another thing you got wrong….you don’t choose what you believe. You’re either convinced or not.
I doubt you could choose to believe the Hawaiian Islands float seven miles over the mainland.
Is that a belief you can choose? Can you choose to believe God isn’t real? Really? I doubt it.
Helping your neighbor is Nobel, good, beneficial, moral. And doesn’t require a god of any kind.
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@johnnyerm3893
We don’t choose to believe. You can’t choose to believe the Hawaiian Islands float seven miles over the mainland, can you?
You can’t choose to believe your god doesn’t exist, can you? No. You’re convinced. But for poor reasons.
Problems arise in every society, secular or otherwise. Yes, teachings of the Bible…which includes slavery.
And in America, civil war was fought with people using the Bible, on both sides. Yet, the Bible still endorses slavery by doctrine.
I did indeed attend Seminary. They didn’t provide evidence either. That’s the point.
The point is, you’re fully aware you can’t demonstrate any gods exist.
Now, maybe I am wrong. That is possible.
But I am not convinced. I think you’re convinced for poor reasons.
Faith is a bad reason, if you care whether or not your beliefs are true.
And I care whether or not my beliefs are true.
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@marylamb7707
I want to believe I have ten millions dollars in my bank.
I feel like I could use ten million dollars in my bank.
What you’re describing is a delusion.
No, I don’t use faith to conclude no gods exist.
You’re admitting you can’t prove any gods exist, so you admit your beef is irrational.
I can’t prove Big Foot, Unicorns, and Odin don’t exist….so is that good reason to conclude they do?
Humans create life every day through reproduction. And yes, Science CAN and DOES explain it.
So what you’re saying is….you don’t know anything about biology or the scientific theory of evolution.
You say….until it can there will be believers. Which is false, because science does explain it and there are still believers, like you.
Bit what you’re saying here…is that YOU are convinced without evidence, but need evidence to change your belief.
Sorry Mary, your arguments are very much first grade level. And be honest, none of those arguments convinced you a god exists. Right?
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@marylamb7707
I don’t use faith, I think it’s funny, I’ve already corrected you.
I don’t require faith to live my life in the absence of any god.
I don’t have to prove your god doesn’t exist, as can just ask you to prove one does exist and watch you fail.
So resolve this issue:
If faith is valuable, why can every religion use it to justify believing in different gods?
Faith isn’t a pathway to truth. It has no mechanism to differentiate a true belief from a false belief.
But it will artificially raise your confidence in a belief, even if it is false. Which is how you’re using it.
Remember, if you claim a god exists, you own the burden of proof. I don’t have to prove a god doesn’t exist, when you can’t prove one does.
How,is that confusing for you?
Can you prove Allah doesn’t exist? Can you prove Vishnu doesn’t exist?
Oh…you can’t? Ok…so,now you believe in Vishnu?
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@marylamb7707
Do,you know a god exists? Do you know a god created life? The answer is no, you don’t know. You’re convinced,,but if you knew…you wouldn’t require faith and you’d be able to demonstrate it.
That’s the problem with your ilk. You don’t understand, even after it was explained to you again and again, that faith isn’t a pathway to truth.
Which is why you’re not a muslim or a Hindu, en though they use faith.
And no, I don’t assume people,that use faith are backwards or uneducated. I merely point out how unreliable using faith to get to truth is.
If you can’t figure that out, or reject the reality of it to present your magical thinking, that is on you.
Again, the problem here is with your arguments. And if there are problems with your argument, there is a likely problem with your conclusion.
Science happens to be our most reliable method for measuring reality. True that science can’t explain everything. But that doesn’t mean whatever you imagine to be true comports with reality. In fact, the only thing that corrects science is better science. A god never corrects science. Holy books never correct science.
And yes…lol, science can explain the cell. Just because you don’t understand the science doesn’t mean science doesn’t have the answer.
And again…YOU can’t prove any gods exist.
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@mikewagner1614
First, we’re not friends, so please don’t pretend we are. It’s dishonest. We can have friendly dialog, of course.
Yes, I have read the entire Bible multiple times. Indeed, I have attended Seminary, I’m familiar with what the claims are.
I reject that there are valid or relevant prophecies in the Bible. So no, the prophecy your refer to isn’t convincing.
You can pray all you like. However, prayers works are about the same rate as chance.
Now, it would benefit you to understand better how reality works, and how we accurately measure it.
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@andersonmcbride29
You don’t seem to understand. If we don’t have an answer, that doesn’t mean “god did it”.
And since you can’t even demonstrate a god exists, you can’t use god as a possible cause.
We do know quantum fields exist, so it is more probable the Big Bang expanded as a result of a quantum fluctuation.
Now, I’m not saying this is what necessarily happened. And I’m not saying we have evidence that quantum fluctuation was the cause.
Only that it’s a better hypothesis.
Your argument though is circular. It seems you’re saying a god must exist because the universe came into existence, and the reason the universe came into existence was a god.
Again, suggesting a god was the cause isn’t the default. The default, until was know, is that we don’t know.
So, what evidence do,you actually have for the existence of a god now?
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@user-ul7li5mu1s
Free will doesn’t involve believing what you want, as far as I can tell.
For example, can you choose to believe Hawaii floats seven miles over the ocean?
Sure, you can pretend, but can you choose to actually be convinced?
Seeing it may convince you. Hearing stories may convince you. But choosing to believe it doesn’t sound right.
So, while I’m sure you’re likely convinced, are the question is whether you convinced for good reasons or just reasons?
It’s more a matter of using reliable methods, which you can choose to do.
Also, you claim to hurt no one on purpose. This may be true. You may not intend to hurt anyone.
However, hurting yourself or others, even without intent, is it possible you’re still doing so?
I’m not suggesting you are. Just asking thoughtful questions on the topic.
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@Youhitme
If faith is simply beliefs, why call it faith? It seems faith is more of a replacement or sort of false evidence in order to make a conclusion that isn’t warranted.
You’re still dishonest, because I didn’t attack anyone. You did and still are, trying to attack me. And you’re doing so because I reject the idea that faith is a good thing, and probably because I don’t accept your god claims.
Remember, just because you have faith in something doesn’t mean it’s true. If you have to use faith to reach the conclusion, the conclusion is likely to be false.
If you have evidence, you don’t need faith. If you need faith, you don’t have evidence.
Remember, just because people believe Vishnu exists, doesn’t mean Vishnu exists. The same applies for every god claim.
I sincerely hope you stop attacking people based on your religious bigotry. And again, I simply inquired to the OP why he could speak for others.
Not everyone depends upon faith.
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@crewded8630
I’m not challenging god to prove his existence.
My life is perfectly fine without the need to worship an imaginary being.
How can you have a firm understood of something you don’t know exists?
I do understand the claims Christianity makes. What I don’t have is any reason to conclude those claims comport with realty.
In fact, all evidence suggests your god doesn’t exist in reality, but only within your imagination.
Yes, you will,continue in full faith….faith being the excuse people,use when they don’t have good reason.
Remember, Hindus, Mormons, and Muslims all use faith too.
Faith isn’t a pathway to truth. It just reinforces false beliefs.
If you had evidence, you wouldn’t need faith.
So, would you be willing to ask your God what would convince me? Yes or no?
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@Just Be
I have peace, thanks.
But again, how can it be about faith when you could have faith in Hinduism or Mormonism?
It seems to me, faith is the bridge that takes you from having rational beliefs to having irrational beliefs.
I agree, you didn’t choose to believe. You were convinced. And faith raises your confidence in the belief.
But like I’ve said, other religions utilize faith in the same way. So faith can’t lead you to truth. It can, however, reinforce beliefs even when they aren’t true.
Yes, you’ve mentioned that perhaps some are chosen. However, that doesn’t address the questions about whether that would be something a loving god would do, or whether a god doing is so could be considered loving, or would be worthy of worship. It certainly doesn’t offer any reason to conclude the god even exists, but it does demonstrate inconsistencies.
So if you were to ask your god what it would take to convince me he exists, would he know? Does he want me to be convinced?
Maybe he does, maybe he doesn’t. It seems like an unfalsifiable position either way.
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@Just Be
Yes, the devil’s advocate.
Did you know that historically, this is where the idea of Satan comes from?
In early texts, there wasn’t a Devil or Satan. It was just someone who held an opposing position to a claim.
Of course, that idea evolved into a living agent that represents evil, through mythology.
Just as you probably think my questions are based in evil, when in truth they are not.
If pursuit of truth is evil, then what is god?
Sure, maybe that is my “purpose”. Or maybe, no gods exist and my purpose, to the extent I have one, isn’t dictated to me but is chosen by me.
But if I was given a purpose by a god, and your god sends me to hell for serving that or purpose, could that ever be just? Moral? Loving?
Would you be willing to ask your god what it would take to convince me he exists, and let me know?
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@kelperdude
You’re asking how it isn’t relevant, but you’re not,offering how it is.
Meanwhile, Biden signed into effect a new National holiday.
What you fail,to recognize is that people can make mistakes, learn from them, and not perpetuate the same problems.
Now, I don’t find it necessary to defend Hunter in any way, and I’m not.
If he said something in inappropriate, then he owns that.
This doesn’t translate to Democrats being as racist and hateful as your are, for example.
Your attempts to gas light are weak, and have failed.
Now, tell us all,why you worship the god of slavery. Defend your position.
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@mercy-constanceaturu7030
So, Thanos snapped away half of known life, right? Those that got snapped away did not suffer, right?
Now consider the Noah story. Your god drowned everyone. Innocent children, innocent animals.
All made to suffer and drown. You worship an imaginary god that does such things.
The same god that made slavery permissible by law.
All I’m advocating for is autonomy. So, I would never play your “God”, as I am considerably more moral.
Didn’t your god sacrifice his own son/ self to himself, in order to convince himself to forgive his own creation for being exactly how he made them?
Come on, man…. You have no moral ground in the discussion. Now, if you want to worship the god of slavery and genocide, you’re free to do so,
And you’re not required to have an abortion either.
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@WillPOnya
If anyone is triggered, it is you…believer. You’re so triggered by the fact that you believe things that you really have no reason to believe are true.
Nature isn’t even idea of a creator. That is what people who do t understand science say. Which is why you suggesting anyone “get smarter” is so darn ironic.
You’re literally,argument from incredulity.
I don’t have to bring religion into the argument.
Existence exists. If you want to consider existence a “creation” you own the burden of proof to demonstrate a creator exists, and then demonstrate it can and did create anything.
Suggesting this imaginary creator of yours is a designer, an engineer, an architect, a builder is just adding additional claims, which you still cannot demonstrate.
Suggesting chemistry requires a code, firmware, software is just using poor analogies because you don’t understand the actual science. You’re just making additional claims based on your own incredulity.
Things indeed do come into existence without intelligence. Things come into existence through natural processes.
But it’s weird…are you saying this creator needed an intelligent creator to create it?
It’s weird and very telling that you’re bothering me with your readily debunked arguments, for which you’ve never spent any time investigating the counter arguments, and then telling me there is no need to bother other people. That makes you not only incredulous, but also very hypocritical.
I never claimed the eyeball created itself. Don’t you find it interesting that you lack any understanding of evolution, but argue against it just the same?
You have no idea how the eye evolved.
Your best argument is “look at the trees”?
You’ve just ranted a few hundred words just to admit you’re uneducated in science, but started with “get smarter”.
Come back when you’ve learned anything about evolution.
Common sense is over rated. Go learn things based on more reliable methods, child.
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@mikewagner1614
Moon Shoes isn’t my given name. It is a screen name. This is common within social media.
Sure, you can make up reasons why the names are anonymous, but the Bible itself indicates these are anonymous.
And sure, since we don’t have original manuscripts, and the fact the gospels were not even written down for many generations means they could only be passed down verbally, by what most would consider zealots. People with a narrative.
The treatment of one’s enemy? I’m not referring to enemies necessarily. The god,of the Bible made owning people as property permissible by law.
That is immoral.
And now, your belief has demonstrable impaired your moral compass enough to defend something as immoral as slavery.
In order to preserve your belief in your imaginary friend.
But to answer your question….No, there is no reason to believe a god even exists, let alone any claim that a god proclaimed anything.
Remember, all you have is doctrine. Anonymous doctrine, passed down for generations by word of mouth before being put to paper, with no original manuscripts and no way to know how many alterations were made, or is any of it was accurate.
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@jesuschristisreturningsoon640
We are not friends. We can have friendly conversation, but you seem opposed to that.
I’ve already explained that I don’t have faith, and why I don’t. Faith is intentional self deception.
I prefer to hold as many true beliefs and as few false beliefs as possible,
You suggest I study scripture with the heart of a child. What you’re suggesting is believing without critical examination.
That is clearly what you’re doing, but I am not so easily fooled.
I have indeed studied this more than you. Evidence of this is shown when you can’t answer how many first hand claims to witnessing a resurrected Jesus are within the Bible, and when you aren’t aware they authors of the gospels are anonymous, and when you don’t realize we don’t have any original manuscripts for the gospels.
John was not a first hand account. Nor do you know who wrote any of the gospels.
Another problem you have is whether the disciples could read or write, and what language they spoke.
There is only one first hand account to witnessing a resurrected Jesus, and you don’t even know who that was.
I’d recommend not building a worldview based on hearsay and supernatural claims.
Further, you’ve made some false assumptions about me. You should apologize.
I don’t have pain in my heart, and I don’t believe a god that doesn’t exist is responsible for anything.
If you can’t even grasp the reality of no god existing, you aren’t in a position to make wild assumptions.
Try some honestly.
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“We now have additional evidence that reaffirms the importance of COVID-19 vaccines, even if you have had prior infection. This study adds more to the body of knowledge demonstrating the protection of vaccines against severe disease from COVID-19. The best way to stop COVID-19, including the emergence of variants, is with widespread COVID-19 vaccination and with disease prevention actions such as mask wearing, washing hands often, physical distancing, and staying home when sick,” said CDC Director Dr. Rochelle P. Walensky.
The study looked at data from the VISION Network that showed among adults hospitalized with symptoms similar to COVID-19, unvaccinated people with prior infection within 3-6 months were 5.49 times more likely to have laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 than those who were fully vaccinated within 3-6 months with mRNA (Pfizer or Moderna) COVID-19 vaccines. The study was conducted across 187 hospitals.
COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective. They prevent severe illness, hospitalization, and death. CDC continues to recommend everyone 12 and older get vaccinated against COVID-19.
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