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  6. In terms of Europeans creating a society in the south, a few important points. 1. Most of the deadly disease was brought by Europeans, originally from Asia and Africa. Malaria being a key example. 2. For exactly the above reason, the civilization in the south was entirely dependent on African slaves. This wasn't just the white peasantry refusing to be a lower class, they simply died of diseases African slaves were immune to. Without this labour force the european society couldn't survive labouring outdoors, and as such wouldn't have existed. 3. To talk about the south without talking about hook worm is a huge missing segment. A large part of the reason southerns are seen as lazy etc is that they were chronically ill with parasites until the 1950s. Edit: To avoid being misleading, I should clarify that Malaria wasn't prominent enough to be a death sentence for Europeans in the south as it was in Africa. While white settlers could survive (with high mortality rates), the plantation economy, which was a dominant aspect of Southern Culture even for those not working on a plantation, could not. The labour requirements and particular risk for new European immigrants made it unprofitable to use labour from more established sources, such as indentured irish workers or slaves from the Barbary trade. This lead to the preference for African Slaves, setting the stage for the development of the Chattel slavery racial caste system which would later become an entrenched aspect of the society.
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  41. I don't believe you are looking at this with enough granularity. You talk about the realities of infrastructure and crude characteristics, but then seem to ignore this by the conclusion. There is frankly no way to look at the Midwest and Rockies without them being import dependent - dependent on Canada, sure, and with legal protection and a near monopsony due to pipelines, but more than half the oil consumed is still imported in these regions. California as well simply can't be viewed as anything but energy dependent. The refineries need a heavy crude, there is no pipeline capacity with the continent, and again we see growing Canadian fractions but I say energy independence is to ignore reality. We can only say the US south, from Permian shale and Offshore, is an actual net surplus. And it's an enormous surplus, no doubt. But you can't look at a basement full of people drowning and an 11th floor of people dying of thirst and say there seems to be no issues with water access. Not only is there no way to move Permian shale throughout the country, but it's the wrong "flavor" for almost all the infrastructure it's near. A hypothetical refinery has a pipe a meter in diameter with oil flowing in. Let's say it was built for heavy oil, the oil enters the distillation chamber and is seperated into components according to the size of molecules. The really light molecules, 1-3 carbons (methane, ethane, propane) exit out a 1 inch pipe at the top, another 1inch pipe for butane, a 2 foot diameter pipe for gasoline which is a mix ~10 carbon long molecules, a foot diameter for diesel which is heavier, and then some real heavy stuff out the bottom. And that all works because I know the oil coming in has ratios that break up to fit the pipes going out. If you decide to try and switch that input oil to something light, you have to reduce the amount of oil you're processing, because the fractions have changed. Suddenly that 1 inch pipe at the top is completely full, even though the gasoline take away pipe is half full, and the Diesel is near empty. And shale oil IS light, super light, sometimes even called ultralight. In some cases it's comparable to that 1 inch pipes output, or condensate, or NGL liquids. Which is a huge problem, because that shale oil requires an enormous amount of diesel to access, but gives very little back. You cannot run the US economy on shale oil, I might be able to fill my car, but construction vehicles? Transport trucks? Farm Tractors? Ships, trains, fire trucks etc? That's why we saw Diesel prices skyrocketing after Russia invaded Ukraine. And US refineries, most relevant for this discussion in the Gulf but also in Chicago and California, are built for the heaviest possible oil. Talking about replacing imports with shale oil isn't just getting less diesel out of a barrel, it's talking about using that 1 meter input pipe at half capacity, because your methane outtake and gasoline outtake are full at that point. But, as bad as all that, most of the wasted equipment is related to the really heavy sludge at the bottom. US refineries are the most advanced and expensive, because they have the equipment to upgrade that sludge into something more like regular oil. Gulf refineries actually buy the sludge from other countries refineries, that used to include Russia's. All that equipment goes completely unused is you try to force shale to be used. Which is going to add to gas prices, because those refineries compete by buying cheap oil to make up for their high cost, and shale oil has just about the highest production cost in the world, only beat by strip mining bitumen in Fort McMurray. *All numbers should be taken as examples and not literally.
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  57. I used to be against Supply Management. It is in fact a cartel that raises prices. But it achieves a lot, that would be very difficult to achieve without it. Right now, it should be very clear why it is important to ensure domestic supply of core food items. Can we really risk depending on our trade partners, frankly the US, to control our food supply when they are willing to weapoize trade? But more than that, it protects small farms. Maybe it doesn't generate the worlds most efficient output. But what is the cost of that? How many rural towns depend on the strong middle class farmers who are protected by supply management, and what is the cost of these towns failing. Im not an animal rights activist, but I don't want to see the 10 thousand cow factories we see in the US. In Canada cows go to pasture. They are able to leave a building and concrete stall. There is a value to knowing there was a level of ethics. And just like we are seeing with avian flue, that protects against disease. More, small farms, mean outbreaks don't destroy production. Its better for the environment, look at the the massive manure waste coming out of us factory farms, smaller operations allow manure to be spread evenly over a field. Look at the health aspect. The antibotics that the cows need to avoid disease. The hormons they are given in the States. I don't want that in my milk. Supply management protects consumers, protects the farmers, and protects the animals. I don't want to have a hand full of factory farms producing chemical laiden milk while rural communities fall apart for milk that costs a few cents less a liter.
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  96. There are two risks to Alberta in this environment. First is government revenue. Royalties are on a sliding scale; this prices drop of $20 will consume the majority of royalties. DilBit and SAGD is cheap as dirt to produce, but that production will sell at the price of dirt. Not only is that going to remove the 1/3rd of the budget that comes from royalties, but it will mean difficulty in raising or refinancing debt. Secondly is the Upgraders produces Canadian Sweet Light, CSL, the other benchmark Canadian crude. These upgraders are largely based in Fort McMurray, and they are fed by the mines in Fort McMurray. These are the highest production cost barrels, maybe in the world. Fort McMurray is known for the oil sands, but it is really the center for Bitumen mining, almost all the SAGD is to the south. In covid we saw see mines shut down almost entirely due to low demand. In a prolonged shutdown, Fort McMurray will see a severe regional depression and unemployment crisis. Syncrude only has mining and upgrading operations. In this low price environment, its minable reserves will be devalued amd written off as no longer economically recoverable, lowing its capital and tanking its debt to asset ratio. It has a real risk of bankruptcy, which will have a major impact across the financial sector and leave the tailing ponds unfunded. That risk exists for the other Oilsands majors, particularly Suncor and CNRL, but Syncrude will go first. This will be an absolutely terrible depression in Alberta if it continues. But it will be Nationally felt, whether through lower imports at our already struggling ports, a weaker CAD, financial market collapse as all oil majors write off reserves, or a growing trade imbalance eating our financial reserves..
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  153.  @TSZatoichi  in all matters I agree manpower in Ukraines greatest limitation. But a few caveats here; Ukraine already has to keep a limited force on the Belarusian border since invasions and threats have come from that direction. Whether that force is on the border or 100km North isn't a change in numbers. Russia is claiming Ukraine is readying to invade between Belgorod and Kursk, which suggests manpower for an offensive. I'm not sure what Russia has to gain overstating Ukrainian capacity. If the Belarusian population is against Russia, Ukraine may not have to fight very hard over much of the area, and may be seen as the liberating force Russia expected to be. And in any even crossing the swampy border area is likely best done in winter. While Russia didn't pull people out of the eastern Front for Kursk, I think Belarus may be another matter entirely. There was no risk of Kursk Oblast, let alone the surrounding, rising up with Ukraine and kicking out Russia. In Belarus a Ukrainian invasion may be seen as a much more permanent risk. And, while there is the Union State, I'm not sure Russian conscripts or North Koreans can be sent to Belarus, which may limit the response to volunteers. And there is an investment aspect. A Ukraine that caused Belarus to flip ~Western might carry more favor with the US or Europe in terms of donations. A Belarus free of Russian occupation may see volunteers joining Ukraine. And a new Government might even be willing to use the Belarusian military against Russian forces in country - or else donate equipment to/ have it seized by Ukraine. But I did list those options in what I view as order of probability, and I agree a manned invasion is least likely - but that could make it most likely. Then again, there is the aspect of nuclear weapons.
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  287.  @Ray_of_Light62  I agree, but I think oil production from shale will. Shale fracturing for NG will be a long term industry. But Shale oil is a temporary side effect. We can see the Bakken, the first shale plays, is decreasing output annually. Same with Eagle Ford. And the average well productivity in the Permian is declining. "Shale oil" used to refer to using oil shale, and things like the Permian were called "light, tight oil" because it is light, and it's in tight rock formations. The tighter the formation, the lighter the hydrocarbons. The first wells are drilled in the easiest, most productive locations, which have the least tight formation, and therefore the "heaviest" (in quotes because it's still very, very light) oils. As time has gone by, wells in the Permian are shifting to less ideal sites (tighter), and getting lighter, and therefore gassier. So each barrel of oil is actually half a barrel of oil and half a barrel of NG, when it used to be 75/25. And the half that is oil is still getting lighter, more butane and less gasoline. The big issue here is all the pumps run on diesel. But the light shale oil has a smaller fraction of the heavier hydrocarbons, notably those that make diesel. A barrel of Brent (global standard) produces more than twice the diesel you get refining WTI (the oil from the Permian). So even for NG fracking, I think we will need to commercialize a technology to use wet CNG from nearby wellhead to run the pumps, which I've seen in development. The diesel to NG equation just doesn't work. But shale oil has never really worked. Because OPEC exists, and keeps prices at a low enough level for the fracking industry to just barely cover expenses. And if OPEC didn't exist, oil would be so cheap that it never would have made sense.
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  301.  @Cr3stfa113n  While your right on the technical definition of slum requiring impermanent shelters, I don't think OPs use of the term was invalid. After all, we get the term slum-lord from US cities. When referencing North American or Western slums, I think you're referring to a high proportion of renters, deteriorated housing, lower than average sanitary conditions (trash, people using the outdoors as a wash room, needles), a substantial portion of the population engaged in the informal/black market, a high level of policing with a negative effect on the community, and localized alternatives to government services. You also might see little green space, a large number of vice type stores (alcohol, strip clubs, gun stores), a large number of road ways cutting through, and usage to host other activities that are regected by other neighborhoods, including public housing. In many ways, illegal apartments that are put up or space usage from crowded generational housing might even consitute the type of shelter you require. There are also ",suburbs" in places like Detroit where 9/10 houses are abandoned, which some may call a slum. And I think its meaningful to consider that if you move everyone of low income to one area to could create slum conditions. You tie in laws around rights to public housing and another layer of property security along with the realities if American (and other countries) policing systems, with the fact it was likely built in a poorer area and historically have suffered inferior maintenance, and I think outcomes may be less beneficial than spreading out public housing in mixed neighborhoods.
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  318. As always; I agree with your concerns around the near term collapse in Oil and Gas. But the best way for us to Mitigate risk to the Oilsands is not trying to forget it exists; it is wide scale investment. EVs are going to create a massive imbalance between supply and demand for RPPs as gasoline demand rapidly declines. This will be felt first and foremost by Conventional oil producers with high gasoline yields and the refineries that refine it. Bitumen, and SCO from bitumen, do not need to be used to produce gasoline - there is no gasoline fraction in bitumen. We need to build upgraders so we can sell low TAN, bottoms free, high middle distillate yield SCO that will continue to be in demand for diesel and jet fuel. We need new outlets for oil so that half our pipelines don't end in Chicago, where Bitumen is largely converted to gasoline, and which unavoidable will shrink in Gross terms faster than the global market. And we need to build refinery complexes; 20% of bitumen can be turned into asphalt, we can sell hundreds of thousands off bpd. With the remaining, "lighter" fractions, we can produce base oils for Lubricants. We can build product upgraders that convert bitumen almost entirely to specific heavey RPPs, Sturgeon Falls does this today producing 80% diesel. We can do the same for Jet fuel which has a much longer demand horizon. By doing this, we can provide a long term base of demand for Bitumen so that the oilsands can continue operating while we force them to pay off their debts and clean up their mess; if the oilsands collapse, the Federal government (mainly with Ontario money) will be paying the bill for all of it. As EVs remove demand for gasoline, we can supply heavy RPPs further driving out our competitors by pushing down the cracking spread on their lucrative products. And in doing so, we can prevent Jet fuel sales from subsidizing a glut of cheap gasoline being dumped on the market that would otherwise push against EVs and Solar panels. It is okay for us to accept that heavy RPPs will be the last fossil fuel in demand, and we are the best positioned country to supply them. That isn't against climate goals. We can see China, the world's first Electo state, increasingly demanding heavy crudes - they buy DilBit (not WCS) from us because it is nothing but light petrochemicals and heavy RPPs. This will become the global trend. And over the decades we can occupy this market, we can build alternative demand like Carbon Fiber and activate carbon.
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  338. @mignik01  So first, I quite clearly said oil would remain needed for decades for both an energy source and petrochemicals. But nowhere near a quarter of oil is used as petrochemical feed stock. Naphtha is the main feed stock and it's like a tenth of a barrel. By 2050 I'd expect US oil demand to still be a third of what it is today, mainly gasoline being displaced along side a drop in Diesel from some rail and trucking electrification and a drop in fracking which uses large amounts. Maybe that gets replaced by biofuels but I genuinely hope not. But obviously I disagree on the point of solar for Electrical generation. Solar has increased 8 fold over the last decade, even halving that growth rate and it's the majority over the next. And the amount of manufacturing for solar has grown enormously and continues to grow. Look at China's build out of solar. Incredibly and historically rapid. The price solar can be produced for shows a clear market superiority that even Texas embraces. Again, I think existing NG plants used for peaking will be repurposed for combined cycle use to increase capacity and be heavily used over night. I don't think 24 hour storage will be common until 2040. But 2-4 hour storage for use in the evening is already commercialized and growing. And I think Solar with storage that keeps output generally stable through the day, will continue it's rapid growth. I have nothing against nuclear. I think SMRs could be a key part of the energy make up, even large power plants in some large regions. I think industrial heat would likely be best served by SMRs, the Oil sands in Canada, even shipping could be transitioned to SMRs. But in terms of electrical production, excluding certain highly dense Urban regions or particularly cloudy geographies, I don't believe nuclear can compete with solar.
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  384.  @f430ferrari5  The biggest problems with what your saying is you're identifying these people as mentally ill or addicts, but then acting as though allowing them to be homeless will solve that. But clearly they don't think like an average person, because they continue to be homeless. It's not a cure. And it's been well established that providing housing costs less then dealing with the fallout of having homeless people on your streets; city sanitation, the cost of policing, the medical costs of violent altercation, the loss of local property values, etc. People aren't going to become heroine addicts because they get a small apartment, normal people don't chose to be addicts and addicts don't prioritize having a house. It also becomes easier to target services to help people when you know where people will be, to help rehabilitation. And its easier to go through rehabilitation when you have a secure, safe environment, which is why rehabs are built to be tranquil, calm environments. Like you said, addicts become intoxicated and can destroy thier place of living. This is one reason I support public housing, instead of a housing vouchet for people to destory some average house, what is needed is houses with plaster or concrete walls you can't break while drunk, and hard floors you can't spill things on and let rot while stoned. The fact they will be harder on housing means harder housing is needed for them. And again, building this is the less expensive option. I would also say by emphasizing this group (which is the majority), you are ignoring that there are mentally healthy people who end up in this situation. And the people who aren't on the street homeless, but living off a relatives couch or something should also be able to have a home. Since it's clear the private market doesn't build the supply needed to lower prices to bring these people in reach, public housing is the most effective tool to add supply.
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  416. My biggest fear is that the combination of Trumps Tariffs, lower global demand from Chinas EV push+ economic slow, a return of Russian oil, and a Saudi price war will will plument prices. Alberta will be exporting Bitumen for decades. The Midwest US is built around it. But if the price we're getting is only $30 a barrel, you get no investment, no tax revenue, no good employment. The bigger problem is Fort Mac. Refineries in Alberta can't use Bitumen. So, we upgrade bitumen into lighter SynCrude. Almost all the oil converted to Syncrude comes froma strip mining operation around Fort Mac. And between the mining operations and the upgraders, this is some of the most expensive oil in the world, maybe the most expensive barrel being produced. And unfortunately this is where all the high paying blue collar jobs are. I'm deeply worried about cheap light oil replacing syncrude. A lot of syncrude goes to Ontario and Quebec via US pipelines. But beyond that, oil could move North from Dakota, and my worst fear is a reversal of Transmountain to bring cheap over see light crude to Alberta. If the mining operations shut down, we'll have 10s of thousands of high paying blue collar jobs disappear in Alberta, all centered on Fort McMurray. All going on EI, at the same time as Provincial revenues are being slashed and collapsing Exports are making the CAD plumet. And that will be a national issue. Port cities will struggle with falling imports. Our stock market will collapse if SynCrude (the company) and Suncor write of reserves. CN rail has almost a third of its cargo related to O&G. We desperately and urgently need to diversify our economy. Im worried next year is the point of collapse and Mining will come on line at reduced capacities after defered spring maintenance. We have a regional economy that nearly disappeared during Covid, thats going to drive a provincial depression and national recession if we aren't very skillful with our trade policy over the next few months.
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  419. The US Midwest is built around Canadian ultra heavy crude. To be clear, our bitumen is so heavy as to not be a liquid. And the US Gulf is also built around heavy crude; largely Venezuelan and Mexican, but many international refineries actually ship their heavy residue. The California refineries are largely based on heavy crude as well, as California had heavy reserves in the past. However, while these are optimized for heavy crudes, they still demand a lighter blend that oil sands bitumen. They can, and prefer to, accept some bitumen. And Conventional heavy oil (around 1M bbl/d) from Canada is also good. But they don't have the ability Midwestern refiners have to run on our oil. East coast refineries are built for much lighter blends, being based around North Sea and to a lesser extent Gulf oil shipments; though they keep closing. Refineries in the rockies and American West are old and designed for relatively light oil, certainly not Bitumen. And the Washington state refineries are largely designed around light blends, originally from Alaska. The reality is it's much easier to put light oil in a heavy refinery than vice versa. You lose the value of your coking unit, and you will run under capacity because you produce a higher ratio of light products than the pipes are designed for, but it's entirely achievable. A few months ago Marathon was saying it would only take them a month to move over from Canadan heavy to Light Bakken. More importantly, the US exports most of the light, ultra light oil coming out of the Permian fracking, something like half their production. So declining US production lowers exports, but won't really impact US refiners. In reality, this is "oil" in name only, it's basically NGLs. I don't know if it's still true, but it was the case that fracking actually used more diesel than it produced, because diesel is a heavier fraction of the oil barrel. So you can see how that isn't driving the current system; mainly this is used as petrochemical inputs and gasolines. So does that mean the US depends on our oil? I'd say yes, but not as much as we depend on them taking it, they have some flexibility, and their production declines are basically in an entirely different product used for different industries in different national markets than what we sell..
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  449.  @LeftWingNationalist  I disagree, the Economic system of Fascism is National Syndicalism with a focus on Autarky (although much like many "socialist" or "capitalist" countries, this may be co-opted into an authoritarian regime not practicing the nominal system). Fascist also seperate people into groups, but this is based on area of economic engagement (agriculture, mining) and not class. However, the national rebirth and historic heroism myths are absolutely core aspects, as you say. Likewise the identification and solution to a "national problem" (although I don't think this problem has to be a population of scape goats). A correction to your comment, hyper inflation in Germany occured due to french occupation of the Rhine land industrial region and subsequent government sponsored strike, which destroyed German industrial output. The hyperinflation was nearly a decade before the great depression, although the economy was still increadibly weak at this time. I find the rightwing left wing labels not super useful, I would agree it generally targets right wing (blue color, lower income workers and rich industrialist) electorate, but remember many of the early fascists were formerly communists. Falange Española de las JONS leader José Antonio Primo de Rivera said: "[B]asically the Right stands for the maintenance of an economic structure, albeit an unjust one, while the Left stands for the attempt to subvert that economic structure, even though the subversion thereof would entail the destruction of much that was worthwhile." while arguing that it was a thrid way ideology out side either left or right.
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  455.  @WinterXR7  So to the first poi t we're in complete agreement, obviously the mechanized infantry brigades that led the Kurst assult were not whoever was guarding the border - my point is that now that Ukraine is moving into a defense mode those elite units will be reassigned to return to Pokrovs or a new offensive, and the troops who were previously holding the border will simply move forward to the new defensive lines. Certainly a number of troops were needed for the invasion, but all else being equal the better terrain means fewer units are needed to hold the region than were needed to hold the border. The conscripts captured who will be traded for actual Ukrainian soldiers should also be considered. To your bottom point, I'd suggest it matters very little of the Russians take most of the area leading to Pokrovs this week or in a year. If Trump is elected, a peace deal would almost certainly involve losing Pokrovs regardless, so fighting harder to hold it isn't a gain. If Harris wins, I expect material and political support for Ukraine to be decisive, and while the fighting will enter the city I don't believe Russia will be capable capturing the city. Kurst seems more valuable to in either regard, either as a bargain chip or as a defensive position undermining Putin's authority. I think the most determining factor is whether Ukraine can hold Russia a km or two from Pokrovs until the mud buys time for western equipment amd new troops to arrive and better defensive positions to be built, and also time for the Russian economic and financial position to worsen and public opinion and troop moral to turn. And with the mentioned elite units being pulled out of Kursk to return to defensive actions holding back Russia seems achievable, but the amount of ground lost and the seemingly ineffective Ukrainian fortified positions is disturbing. If Russia makes it into the city before winter it will still take months to capture but but terms are distinctly worse for Ukraine. That said, unless the world is willing to bring nuclear armed russia to the point of a WW1 Germany collapes, Ukraine is forced to take actions which are of greater risk but may offer a winning condition, rather yhan settle for the safer choice and simply lose a year later.
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  458. @mignik01  I guess by default I have to agree the share of oil going to petrochemicals will increase since I think the share going to fuel will go down. But I think that 55% number is many because the IEA also sees a global decrease in demand by 2030. And I have to say that 12% is a lot closer to my claim of around 10%. The point to remember is Petrochemical feed stock is generally the lighter end of hydrocarbons. So shale oil from the US, it might actually be nearly half a barrel. Because you can put those small molecules together to make polymers. But you can't just use the entire barrel that way, the heavier end that goes into gas and diesel and jet fuel, until you get back to the really heavy stuff where you make lubricant and carbon fibers. I think short haul trucking will likely be electrified. I agree long haul trucking will remain Diesel. I don't think physics really has much to do with it. I think the shear economy of scale is what is most relevant now. Even without efficiency improvements, the module nature means manufacturering millions of panels and installing millions. The same is true for batteries. These aren't technically complex items. And the manufacturing is growing in the US, in China, and in India and Europe. Look at China, they could built their entire grids worth of capacity in about 5 years. That's just unparalleled. And the US is following suit to avoid being caught with the more expensive energy. Even without improvement solar is the cheapest cost of energy. Again, it costs less than nuclear. That's just the reality. No one is even pretending to have a nuclear power generation system in the range of solar. Sure, nuclear is "denser". And? Roof top solar destructively competes with any utility delivered power, if half a block has solar and a battery, the other half doubles all their transmission and distribution fees, which are already the majority of cost. Solar is highly reliable. The sun rises daily. Utility projects in Texas or the West or south California are in regions where you might have a half dozen clouds for half the year. And solar still works with clouds, just less. And, AC demand is a huge portion of consumer demand, and fits perfectly with solar. Some days you will have lower solar. On those days NG will be run. But you don't run a nuclear plant at night and occasionally, and nuclear doesn't compete in the day. Again, nuclear for process heat with co-generation makes a lot of sense for industrial clusters. Nuclear might make more sense in New York and the surrounding area with an enormous density of people and more regular cloudy conditions. But across the majority of the majority of regions, solar wins. I think it's one of the greater ironies that the US north East and Europe were the two areas to first push solar, when they are likely the two areas worse suited to it. But regardless. No one is building nuclear right now. Not anywhere near the scale of solar. Even if you're right, solar will have won before Nuclear gets to the starting line. And nuclear only works when you have large amounts of unmet demand. If a region has electricity you can't just add a GW of power. That said, my belief is that nuclear is a big part of China's plan. Everyone is always talking about them building coal, but you have to note their coal plants are much more advanced than the ones built in North America or Europe 30 years ago. Anything built in the last 10 years is super or ultra critical. And I think they are working on SMRs so in the 2030s they can rip out the boilers of these coal plants and plug the nuclear reactors in.
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  465. "A 25% rise in Oil Prices" is not going to be the reality. We supply half their oil, but the vast majority goes to the midwest theough Enbridge Mainline system. And we have no alternative market at all for these 4M bbl/day. Whats going to happen will be generally consistent prices paid by US refineries, kept relatively high by Bakken crude from North Dakota and Barges bringing crude from Texas up to Mississippi, and some increased imports from the Atlantic through Pennsylvania pipelines if our output drops. Our output won't significantly drop, however, because the SAGD operations that feed the US can't be turned off without long term damage (In Covid, Mining production was down some 40%, insitu output was nearly unchanged) and because they have low operating costs, and producers will accept lower prices. The real loaer will be the Government of Alberta, because Royalities are on a scaled system, and lower profits have a much more dramatic effect on Albertas budget. The other big issue is the oil mines themselves. They are very expensive to operate and ultimately produce a light oil product, and competitive with US shale oil. If its price is increased, refiners are likely to displace it. To some extent this can be offset by having Ontario and Quebec refiners buy more Syncrude and reduce Bakken imports, and a competent policy might include requiring exports to mix Syncrude into DilBit at some level. But this is the biggest risk point, shutting down the oil mines would kill Fort McMurray and destroy an enormous amount of high wage blue collar employment.
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  490. Not all oil is equivalent. When China peaks, it will be because of EVs, not heavy products like jet fuel - that means higher demand for Heavy crudes and hurts those other producers who yield gasoline. No other producer yeilds heavy as much as we do. Certainly China isn't the world market. Where is the discussion on SMRs to further lower those costs. If we can consider Carbon Fiber, we can consider other innovation. There is uncertainty in every industry. But we should optimize Transmountain, of course. That can be done much sooner than a new pipeline, but as the Chicago market, where half our oil/dilbit goes, shrinks (because it is (wastefully) used to produce gasoline), we need new outlets to the global market. I wouldn't require Transmountain ship partially upgraded. But, I do think we should require a Dilutant mixing that reduces the level of condensate and increases SCO over time to increase the use of Bitumen and uncouple it from the Shale NG fracking, while driving upgrader investment. I would also say we should wave or greatly reduce the tariff for RPPs on Transmountain. Finally, I think it would be entirely reasonable to require any new pipelines to ship partially upgraded (or upgraded) bitumen - that is what we should push for, not against new access. The US Gulf coast is a possibility. I don't trust them not to change the rules on our pipeline access or ban exports in a price shock, however. I don't think KeyStone XL is better than Northern Gateway, but to the extent Canada can optimize KeyStone (a pipeline we don't control) we should. As for Carbon Fiber, it could be very good. But, you have been arguing for years its near commercialization, and even Alberta Innovates puts it at a decade until they would be using 100k bbl/d, a drop in our production bucket. And even then, only a fraction of the barrel can be used for this. But beyond the domestic market, if Carbon Fiber is feasible, then we should be building an export market. And that can be done at pipeline head to ensure the pipeline sees long term uses, along with being done in Alberta for Domestic use, and even Ontario to export East. We don't have to restrict the use of Bitumen to Alberta..
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  539. I am not entirely optimistic about India, due to cultural issues (particularly around womans treatment and corruption), the service based economy, the migration outflow, and the issie of theft. But, I do think renewables could be a big turning point. India has 8 months a year of entirely cloudless sky, which makes solar far more dependable. The more cloudy monsoon season, on the other hand, brings enormous rains to fill hydro reservoirs and strong consistent wind. And back in the sunny season, wind is largely generated in the evening, so wind build for the Monsson season reduces peaking in the evening of the rest of the year. But maybe most important, India has the worlds largest mountains, which offers enormous cheap pumped hydro storage to save solar energy for night and for weeks of reserves, particularly given how much of the country lives in the Ganges valley in close proximity to both the mountains and Punjab. All of that is to say, of all countries, I believe Indias geography may be the best to access cheap renewables. And this is a huge boon to a country alost entirely dependent on coal and oil imports. At the same time, India has policy in place that appears to be bearing fruit to build Solar and Wind manufacturing domestically. India has an enormous deficit of manufacturing, and if successful this could lay the groundwork for much a larger scale manufacturing industry to be built. The US has also backed this, aiming to replace Chinese solar imports with Indian (alongside domestic). Also, India has significant water security issues. So Solar that allows reservoirs to stay full longer, and placed as floating panels on reservoirs or above canals (as is in work) to reduce evaporation can help strech that water. And given India's broken electrical system, distributed solar has already been a success in spreading access to electricity. The trick may be keeping people from stealing.
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  541.  @bittemeinrammstein  it doesn't really matter that only drone operaters are holding the line, any more than if in WW1 you said only the machine guns were holding the line. The reality of modern industrial scale warfare is that guided, cheap ammunition is the new requirement for effective engagement. But Russia is only winning the tactical battle. And that's probably because Ukraine fights the tactical battle alone. The strategic battle is being fought against the West, and the Russian economy is showing escalating destabilization as inflation increase, exchange values drop, liquid reserves are run down, and sanctions are deeply impacting the ability to sell commodities and recieve the funds, as well as to purchase new capital equipment. Russian Armoured losses are likely the most significant long term loss, having depleted something like 80% of the equipment reserves across most categories, and the remaining is of decreasing value. Naval losses are competitive for this spot, however. And of course Russian demographics have been poor for some time, but manpower losses and recruiting have been difficult to the point of bringing in North Korea. Russia has also taken severe strategic losses in other theaters. Natural Gas leverage over Europe has been lost, Syria was lost which will have significant impacts in North Africa. Armenia is shopping for new partners, Georgia is in protest, and there are real risks of Belarus and Transnistria moving away from Russian influence at the end of the month. And of course Russia has seen an enormous brain and youth drain. That isn't to say Russia is losing. But I don't think it's reasonable to say it is winning either. I don't think we can say who won until a peace deal is made, but it would require a significant change for this to be anything but a pyrrhic victory. Also, on the point of VDV, being impressive isn't being successful. This is a testament to Russians abysmal tactical and strategic leadership at the start of the war.
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  552.  @lanagordon5669  I believe you are under appreciating the scope of what's already happening. For perspective, Canada has 150GWs of electrical generation, Africa in total around 250GWs, China has 1,300GWs of coal fired power. China has the manufacturing capacity to produce 1,000GWs of solar panels a year. Even if you assume solar only works 20% of the time, that's Canada's entire output built in a year, that's replacing all Chinese coal in half a decade. China exported as much solar panel capacity last year as Africa has in total. It's already done. The manufacturing exists, China's entire economic model today is built on it. China produced as many EVs last year as North America made vehicles. And they are going to dump all of that on the global market. I fully appreciate that our food relies on Ammonia made from natural gas (although you technically eat the nitrogen which is from the air). But there are wind to ammonia plants under construction all along the east coast. Plastics and clothing are all NGLs high in light hydrocarbons. Right now, we are seeing low global oil demand expectations due to recessionary fears, we're seeing China push this enormous industrial output globally, and we're seeing OPEC start to increase supply in all that in an effort to go into a price war and knock off global competition. Oil isn't going away any more than iron production left the rust belt; but it's no longer black gold. If we fail to push "green energy" what we are doing is losing to China. We will be a gas station in a world of EVs. This is the priority. It's not about emissions or the environment, it's about China becoming the global energy superpower, both with the cheapest energy at home and exporting, while demand for our products crash. We need to be in the new market China is pushing on the world. China also understands how dependent we are on Oil and Gas, how dependent they are, and the entire focus of their entire economy is to change that. And they are already there in almost all regards. The world was once built in horse, that's why we say horse power, but that dependency didn't stop oil, and our dependency on oil won't stop Solar..
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  585.  @drstevej2527  In case there is some confusion, I will clarify that I'm not claiming the Southern Climate was harder on Europeans and easier on Africans. The peer reviewed claim I am repeating is that the Southern Climate was better for Mosquitoes that carry malaria. And that due to the introduction of Malaria into the area, Malaria immune populations were needed for effective labour, which concluded in demand for certain African populations as forced labour. I suppose there may be diseases, like the flu, which propegate better in cold environments. I have never seen research emphasizing this, but I won't exclude the possibility. By and large however, due to existing genetic immunities, I don't believe there was a particular selection bias (not withstanding vitamin D deficiencies). The Cotton producing states are certainly a driving force for slavery. In terms if creating a market, this is arguably more true in Brazil and the Amazon, where malaria introduction (along side other introduced tropical disease) destroyed nearly the entire native population, and which accounted for the majority of the slave trade. And it is this strong early pressure to form a market on African labour which then led to such strong racial caste structures that perpetuated Black slavery. I'm not going to keep arguing though. I certainly don't mean to ignore cultural factors like Protestant work ethic, I simply think you shouldn't exclude the relevent environmental factors. If you don't find the research convincing, that's fine. Provide any counter evidence you'd like. This is a youtube comment section, not a journal, so I'll let people who read do thier own research and make an opinion.
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  620. Bitumen is referred to as UltraHeavy crude, and our oilsands Bitumen is very sour. But if Natural gas is the gaseous phase, and oil is the liquid, I think it's more intuitive to think of Bitumen as the solid phase. People usually think of coal, or maybe oil shale, but those are really very different geological products. I certainly agree with the value loss in selling raw Bitumen. The DilBit mentioned is like a slushy of bitumen and Bic lighter fluid, and when it spills its terrible. But I don't think it's correct to blame DilBit for the decline of our refiniery industry. Our refineries run on SynCrude, or Canada Light and Sweet, which is treated in an Upgrader to remove sulphur and break down the long hydrocarbons into more gasoline sized ones, on average. And these largely buy from the decades old first phase 1 mining industries, which are operationally labour intensive, which makes them the highest cost oil producer... maybe anywhere. When they were built they believed there would be high demand for light oil. But the shale explosion has driven that market down. These operations are all centered in Fort McMurray, which almost entirely relies on these mines, and represent a majority of all oil sands jobs. Under tariffs, oil prices and production will decline in the oil sands. But the SAGD machines that produce DilBit are Monsters, they will not stop, they'll survive even at negative prices for sometime because thier capital structure is based on decades of operation. These also drive demand for shale fracking in North West Alberta, and even imports from the US, to supply dilutent and Natural gas to melt the Bitumen deep underground so it pumps like oil. I would hope the green party leader would consider supporting a subsidy to CN shipping to move upgraded syncrude from Fort Mac to Irving, which would help support the high employment value adding sector of the oil and reduce imports through Irving, a major employer in St. John at a time when it is going to face significant market challenges as well. It may even be beneficial for the rail companies, as CN and CP rail currently own very considerable assets in the US. But also, it will reserve those rail cars capacity in Canada, so if oil pipelines flowing to Ontario are ever disturbed, rail capacity exists to replace supply rapidly. It may also be beneficial to bring an export mixing requirement, so that if demand for SynCrude ever falls, we can require DilBit mix a little into the slushy, getting rid of condensate imports from the US, and making the refineries in the US pay for some of our upgraded product to get access to our cheap bitumen.
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  645. @sylvialoffredo3887  honestly the answer is Because of China. China has put just about the full force of their industry into battery manufacturing and solar panels. They have done this because they are fundamentally energy insecure, and oil, and to a much lesser extent coal, imports are widely seen as their largest strategic weakness. And they have made it insanely inexpensive to produce and store electricity and are continuing to drive costs lower. This will have the triple impact of; cutting oil demand dramatically further empowering OPEC to squeeze our industry, meaning we are no longer a low energy cost jurisdiction, and because China controls supple chains while being a generation of manufacturing ahead of us they will become the global energy exporter. I think we should be investing heavily in SMRs to try and make the magic hot rocks less expensive than the magic crystals that turn sunlight into electricity. And windmills keep the steel and concrete industry alive. But Europe also wants energy independence, and between the two they will create a large enough market that any country can become energy independent for less cost than conventional energy. We need to become a player in the new markets because our traditional markets will be retracting. So to heat specifically the expectation power will be less expensive and because in the 70s heat pumps weren't as developed. Also in the 1980s OPEC flooded the market and the US deregulated natural gas, which undercut the movement to electrify (although that seems to be happening right now, China and seemingly Europe are far more determined to push through this time).
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  682. The US should be viewed as several regions for oil talk. First and easiest is the Mid west. Something like 70% of oil products in the Mid west start as Canadian DilBit from Alberta and largely refined around Chicago. That's Bitumen from the oil sands mixed with very light oil, either imported from NG plants in the US, or from fracking in BC/Alberta. The other 30% is Fracked in the Bakken, ie North Dakota, and mixed with the DilBit at the refinery. Second easiest is the Rockies (not the coast). Again, about 50% of oil is Canadian heavy from Alberta or Saskatchewan (but not generally DilBit), again mixed with Bakken shale oil. I'd say the third easiest to grasp is California, which is an oil producer itself. California has regulation on petrolium products that limit where it can import from, and because it's seperate by mountains no pipeline connection to the rest of the US exosts. LA is known for Tar pits, and that's because there is heavy oil. I believe California was once the largest producer but that may be wrong. Now California meets about a third of its demand, with the rest being heavy crude from south america and the Gulf countries. At one point Alaska was a major supplier, but that is no longer (directly the case). Canada is a growing supplier, with trains of bitumen increasing to California over the last few years, and now a pipeline allowing shipping to California as well. That pipeline connects directly to Washington State, which is the only state able to export to California due to regulations. Washington gets a reasonable amount of Canadian crude, along with Alaskan crude and some Gulf oil. Russian used to be on the menu as well. Bakken light oil was as well, but I believe that has decreased. After that you have the south. Suffice it to say, no one expected the shale revolution, so giant refineries for heavy, sour crude expected from Mexico and Venezuela were built. But with Mexican oil production being a mess and Venezuela collapsing, this hasn't gone to plan. They used to import heavy "unfinished oils" from Russian refineries that couldn't process it. Keystone XL was about getting Canadian DilBit to the Gulf at lower prices than a train. Canada is now the largest provider (500,000 brls a day), mainly by rail I believe, followed by Mexico, Venezuela is about half of Mexico, and Columbia follows that, followed by the Saudis and Iraq, and then a mix to fill it out. Most of the refineries are coastal, so it's a very flexible price driven market (vs the interior where you need pipelines, or the west coast where regulations are at play). Some shale oil is also used as the largest and second largest basin are in the region, and the Off Shore Gulf of Texas oil mainly goes to these refineries. But shale is very light, and not ideal for these refineries due to the high international price and lower output. much of the refinery products in this region are also exported. The Atlantic seaboard is a real shmorgus borg, but there are a few refineries near NY that import from the Bakken or overseas, a large pipeline that connects very thing below NY to Gulf of Texas refineries, and the New England area generally imports oil products refined in New Brunswick Canada, with the oil refined coming from Nigeria and the Saudis. The US then exports a large amount of Bakken shale oil to Canadian refineries in Ontario and Quebec (mostly Quebec) since the refineries are built for light crudes. Much of the Texas produced crude is exported overseas.
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  704.  @Inez-z2z  I'm not suggesting exporting DilBit. Our products are not difficult to market. I don't want a "fossil-fueled vision". But there is a very real risk Alberta's oil industry could be destroyed, and that Ontario could have its oil cut off at any time. It is very worth while to have an entirely domestic line. It should require Syncrude, no DilBit, because Eastern and European refineries couldn't use it anyway. But whatever the reasonable solution is, we need to have one very soon. Oil and Gas should only be a fraction of our economy, but that doesn't mean we have to suppress it. Markham regularly promotes the explosive growth of Chinese renewables. But he fails to acknowledge that they built that on cheap coal, by which I mean they didn't restrain their long term growth for short term emissions gains. If you're reading my posts, you'll know I also support the Mining sector, refining, and EV battery, and also want to see us transform our auto sector into a construction/mining/forestry/drilling equipment sector take advantage of our relatively large portion of the global mining sector. Maybe you don't think this is value added, but I regularly say we should be investing in server farms because it allows us to export electricity, and taking into account our cold weather, we could do a lot more computing, cleaner, and for less. Or that we need two 1-2GW transmission lines between Calgary and Revelstoke and between Edmonton and Site C. But I post that too.. You can look at videos on this channel a year ago I was the only commenter lol. But I generally agree with Markham on anything else. But he is being dishonest about the level of threat to the oilsands or the scale of the economic crisis that will cause. He reported on the prices in Covid, he knows exactly what will happen if US demand drops even mildly. He knows it's the mines that will shut down and the unemployment that will cause, or that Alberta's government revenue will collapse. And he's regularly bring up the USs hostile stance toward us, so he should be able to recognize that we need to prevent any anti Canadian sentiment to develop right now in the most culturally American province with all the oil that the US will buy at full price if they join.
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  749.  @ryuuguu01  I apologize but you didn't have to spend so much time arguing EVs are going to see explosive growth I entirely agree, it's in fact integral to my belief we are the most competitive producer. Likewise with Chinese electrification. You missed Indonesia aiming to have 50% diesel sourced from Palm oil (around half their production) before 2030. Your mistake is in asking who will buy our oil. Canada is a major oil producer, but only on par with Mexico - we have some 2M bbl/d. This is a common misconception, what we produce is mainly Bitumen, at around 3M bbl/d. The question is largely who will buy that. And while EVs are collapsing gasoline demand over the next decade, they are not impacting jet fuel, which is around 10% of global demand. They are having a more limited impact on Diesel, which is around a quarter. Conventional oil producers like OPEC need to produce half a barrel of Gasoline for each barrel of Oil they produce, because that's simply how the hydrocarbon fractions work. And they'll need to dump that on the market for cents on the Liter to compete with EVs in order to sell the products still in demand. Bitumen is all much larger hydrocarbons. A barrel of Bitumen can produce a barrel of Kerosene or diesel or Base oils, no gasoline fraction at all. And the heaviest 20% can be used for Carbon Fiber or Asphalt or Activated carbon. Or, and ideally, we can produce those products at the coasted head of the pipeline, and export the value added goods. Including petrochemical complexes with gasoline cracking units to deal with the light fractions that are processed. Even our Oil fits well into the transition, being extremely heavy conventional out of Saskatchewan/Eastern Alberta, or else extremely light bordering on NGLs out of Shale fracking in BC/Western Alberta. The heavy oil is particularly useful for those heavy RRPs and has a Bitumen fraction, the shale oil is mixed as dilutent, and feeds petrochemical demand that is expected to continue to grow, largely being smaller than gasoline. Newfoundland is an exception but it's oil industry will be gone in 10 years anyway. There's over 100M bbl/d in oil production globally. We represent 5% of that, and our oil is particularly well suited to the 20% of RRPs that will see demand going forward. And can be upgraded to produce the NGLs as demand instructs. Also, our oil products are also very sour, which may seem like a negative, but with rapidly declining oil demand, Sulphur is actually a very important - the most widely used - chemical product in the world. And there will continue to be demand for it, although it could be mined Separately, I'm not saying oil will be protected by sulphur, just that it advantages sour oil. So my point is we are well positioned to push out the OPEC countries as demand collapses and take their market share, and our bitumen will see global and domestic export drive demand for non combustion products. And if we don't, OPEC is going to produce a 10 barrels of oil to meet the demand for a barrel of jet fuel, and dump cheap gasoline on the market to fight EVs, and I'm skeptical EVs are competitive at 25¢ a liter gasoline, which would still be profitable for the Saudis, let alone when they are willing to lose money on it to chase sales of high priced heavy RPPs.. Edit: we should be moving away from conventional oil by subsidizing and developing a Geothermal industry.
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  810.  @annmorel580  regarding your statement, I don't mean to be rude, but I think that's ridiculous. You don't build new industry because you think the global market is lacking, you build because you think you can win, bankrupt your competitors, and force them out of the market. Oil is dying, you can't grow the pie, you have to take more of it. That is literally what we are seeing OPEC do right now. That is why the US threatened tariffs on our oil. We are the only major global producer not attempting to manipulate the market to our benefit. It is entirely tone deaf to the reality of the market to believe we should passively waiting for investment while we are under a coordinated global attack. To your question, which is very important, our competitive advantage is upgrader technology. EVs are here, and they are winning. Which means gasoline demand will collapse. Almost half the our competitors output is gasoline; they have no choice, they refine conventional oil, and that is the mix of hydrocarbons in a barrel. We can take a barrel of Bitumen, and upgrade it into a barrel of Diesel, which will be in higher demand. Or jet fuel, which will be around much longer. And of course we should also be building Carbon fiber production and asphalt refineries and refineries to turn base oils into lubricants. Our competitors are working with 30-50 year old equipment, outdated technology built for a different environment. Of course we can drive them offline. But EVs are cutting to global oil market in two. Light Hydrocarbons for petrochemicals, and heavy Hydrocarbons, and we can dominate the later for the next 50 years while OPEC is squeezed from the market..
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  825.  @BranoneMCSG  if you look through the comments, I have readily admitted that Hancock is out of his tree given just how advanced a civilization he posits is. But in terms of your breakdown, I think you disprove your own argument. You start from the "theory rests entirely on the fact that it can't be disproved" to "1. Ancient structure is found". And that was my original point. If we tone down Hancock to a much more reasonable claim like "A Neolithic civilization existed from some point to the end of the ice age, prior to any identified neolithic civilization", I think that's a valid theory. We have data that appears as outlier, but without justification. And we do know that coastal areas tend to be where civilizations form, that there was a global movement in coast lines at the end of the ice age, and that identified neolithic cultures start to form following the recent glacial maximum. The argument isn't "you can't prove me wrong", it's a genuine blind spot in archeology that we don't know what's under the Persian Gulf or the sea of Indonesia, and have very limited knowledge of the Amazon (which we know was a massive and advanced civilization) or the Sahara (which became a desert only contemporary with the first cultures forming around the Nile). So I think the comment is fair, but in the sense that Graham seems to be looking for a genuine Narnia, and coast or wardrobe you aren't going to find it. But the idea that we don't have a serious bias in our interpretation should be considered seriously.
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  828.  @mnomadvfx  I will accept this criticism to an extent, with caveats like the exceptional Norte Chico where fishing (and therefore sea access) predates agriculture, or the obvious reliance of the sea of Neolithic Greece or modern era (but stone age technologically) Polynesians. I should have specified not just coastal, but River Delta regions where large rivers meet the sea. And if you'll look through my specified examples, you'll see they match this specification; Under the Persian Gulf (where the Tigris and Euphrates would have merged and flowed as a single river until 8k year ago before meeting the Gulf of Oman), Historic Sauhl under what are now the Gulf of Thailand and Java sea (where Thailand's Chao Phraya river would have flowed an additional 1000 km being fed by the Rivera of East Malaysia, North Borneo and Java before emptying near the Riau Islands), or (and I consider this a less promising location) under the sea of Azov where the Don would have flowed reaching the black sea. I'm not suggesting every random point along a coast is of equal importance. The issue overall being "ancient riverways" are almost inherently low lying land, and are themselves both under modern sea levels and where sea levels advanced inland the farthest. Memphis itself, being 100miles in land, would be under the Persian Gulf had an equivalent been located that distance from the Gulf of Oman, as would the next 600+ miles going upstream. This is also true of Ur, and In fact had sea intrusion been as severe as what's seen in the Persian Gulf, the entire length of the Indus Valley and the associated Harrapin civilization would be lost to the sea. Frankly I can't think of an early neolithic culture so far from the sea an trace above ground would be identified after an event as large as the flooding of the Persian Gulf. I did specifically reference the Culture of the Amazon as being severely under-studied in both age and scope, which is distinctly a river centered culture and not coastal. And the Green Sahara culture(s), (the last point I made agreeing with Hancock as a location in need of study) while understudied to the point of near total ignorance, don't revolve around either rivers or coasts (to our knowledge, which is dammingly near nothing). And again looking at Memphis, it's worth considering the distance to the coast in ancient times rather than modern. Until the Aswan dams construction the Nile Delta was expanding into the Mediterranean in recent times, The sea level rise at the end of the ice age would have reduced the delta, while sedimentation (particularly in the wetter green Sahara period) would have re-enlarged it (the same is true of Ur, which was far closer to the coast before sedimentation started pushing the Persian Gulf back southward, and may I add burying anything there previously). The age of the Nile Delta is a somewhat contentious issue. And likewise, the head of the Delta, where Memphis is located, has itself moved into he past 10k years several times. All to say, I agree, you don't just form a civilization on a coast. But, you do generally form it on a large river and generally near a coast, if only because that is where deltas and therefore the most productive land is. The Persian Gulf I believe almost certainly has a lost culture below it based on the cultures that form on its periphery directly after it fills, and research under the heavy sediment that has since been deposited has not been conducted at any scale. Likewise, what are now the seas around Indonesia were the valleys of some of the largest rivers on earth at the time, and are the land routes used by Native Australians to move south (although Sadly, given the availability of Bamboo, I doubt we will ever find much). The Sea of Azov is potentially interesting, being near civilization near the Trypilian and having neothlic settlements identified below it, and while I doubt findings would be ground breaking, I'd say potentially the wheel was invented here. I'd also say the Modern Adriatic and English channel should be investigated as they were probably far more heavily populated then most of Europe through the ice age based on the rich deltas, but I doubt to find anything more advanced then hunter gathers. And the American West Coast almost certainly holds the answers to the population of the Americas.
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  833.  @osric1730  I agree, at least in good part, on your stance around the increased intensity leading into the election; although I think this was also Russia aiming to maximize gains before a ceasefire was made available and Ukraine responding. And in the case of Kursk, taking Russian land to make a ceasefire unpalatable and thereby sabotage Russia's efforts by forcing a continuation of attritional war after Russia had made large sacrifices with the goal of a near conclusion. However, if Russia did remove Ukraine from Kursk, I think it is very likely Russia would accept frozen lines that allow them to keep what they have annexed, and I think Trump would see that as a valid conclusion. Further, I don't believe Ukraine would have very much choice but to capitulate, because Russia, being apparently willing to "negotiate" (with the meaning of keep everything they have, and stop fighting) would be in a position to gain even more land if Ukraine were forced to fight not only without US support, but potentially with US sanctions being lifted and European Sanctions and support ended as part of trade and NATO negotiations. For that reason I believe it is absolutely essential, in Ukraine's strategy, to maintain control of Russian land so that Ukraine may play the part of the willing negotiator. And in that case, be eligible for continued international aid while Russia is obligated to remain on the offensive and away from any negotiations. Edit: I mean, there were other goals in the kursk invasion. Tactical goals such as regaining maneuver warfare operations Ukraine excels at, potentially pinning Russians to the Sejm, and taking advantage of suprise and mine free areas. Strategic goals such as greater depth, moving boundaries to the sjem for greater defense, capturing the Nuclear power plant, capturing prisons to trade, and propaganda. But the negotiating chip was always put forward as the chief operational goal.
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  838.  @terjeoseberg990  Like I said earlier there is the propaganda factor for both domestic moral, hurting Russian moral, and encouraging western support. But also it's just kind of hard to count right. Like unless you have a visually confirmed body, you don't know if guy died or not. So soldiers are going to report the shot someone, but after that you're going to bleed into over estimates. Again, the Ukrainian soldiers in Kursk would still be inflicting damage on Russians if they were on other fronts. Ukraine has some of those most capable units in the region, which means there is some opportunity cost elsewhere, and I think indicates the importance to strategy. All I can say for evidence of intensity is that reporters I follow, Deny Davydov, Paul here, William Spaniel, Reporting From Ukraine, etc, all seem to agree the fighting in Kursk is particularly severe. And my understanding is logistics are quite strained due to the distance and exposure to Russian fire. Those same units in say Toresk would be in a strong defensible position, and fighting only Russian volunteers, which I would say impacts Russian losses even greater. I agree that Ukraine is fighting a battle of attrition and that forcing a Russian collapse is the strategy. My point is that in Kursk specially, as part of that strategy, the importance is keeping control of Russian territory, since that increases the likelihood Trump/America will continue to provide the equipment needed for that attritional warfare. Which is why we are seeing an offensive over the past few days, for example, to try and increase the long term defensiblity of the position. Going on the offensive is not to the benefit of attrition directly. But keeping Russia from engaging in negotiations is beneficial to that strategy, and Putin can't negotiate while Ukrainians are in Russia without losing domestic support..
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  915. Yes but not all land is equal. You'd be foolish to think some strech of Siberian Tundra is equivalent to what is some of the key farm land in Russia. The Ukrainian push obviously isn't meant to replace what Russia has taken, but (along with possibly more), it does the following Creates a refugee crisis within Russia, which will not only change the local populations view on the security of the country but as the spread through the country looking for housing disseminate that message widely. And those refugees aren't only from currently held areas, but as discussed anywhere south of the Sjem is now going to have a hard time filling grocery stores if it remains russian held, and people in boardering regions will question staying. Those refugees will not be able to harvest the grain planted in the region, causing a regional depression and hurting Russian exports and food prices The Sjem river offers a stronger defensive position, reducing the cost of defending against border incursions which Ukraine has faced since Russia attempted to create a "buffer zone" Forces Russia to fight on Russian Soil and destroy Russian homes, property, and infrastructure, with the real and political costs associated, potentially including Gas lines running to Europe that Ukraine has left operational for fear of EU response. Cuts off Rail lines to the south and east straining Russian Logistics in boarder attacks and Bolograd - and potentially shut down the Nuclear reactor which would strain the electrified railways that offer logistics in the region. Allows the seemingly painless capture of over 2000 Russian troops who have the political impact of being conscripts from the richer west of Russia, hurting the political support and allowing for Ukraine to trade for more valuable better trained units captured by Russia.
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  930. @jesseparrish1993  Okay, but consider that most of the NG being produced, particularly in the South, is a by-product of oil production. Not the goal. Prices would have to rise significantly for that to change. I'm not saying you can't increase both. But I am saying investors won't invest in more production without a clear understanding of take away capacity. Amainly I'm saying is having Permits based on commitment is important. The overall freeze on new permits isn't ideal, but the concern is the currently issued permits that aren't being developed because future supply and demand is unclear. US produces way more LNG than Russia or Qatar already. LNG exports are far less important than rebuilding manufacturing imo. And NG prices impact the average personas heating and electric price, not just Cheniere's profits. Plus, China imports LNG to feed their own manufacturing sector, its imported to their coastal cities for industry. So either you're just making it cheaper for China to compete, or you have a bunch of tariffs and suddenly chinese demand collapses, and LNG prices tank. Or LNG goes to Europe, and when Ukraine and Russia are done killing eachother, Europe is going to start buying some level of Russian pipeline gas again. Definitely not as much as before but again you're pushing down global LNG demand. I just don't think LNG exports are all that valuable compared to bringing back manufacturing and raising standards of living with cheap energy. But again you can do all these things, I'm not against LNG. But you need to know the take away capacity for producers to invest, and having a bunch of Permits but no one building doesn't help anyone. Edit: and the freeze was unfortunate, but you can't say you are rewriting the rules without a freeze, or else you will be flooded with requests for permits under the current system before the new rules kick in, and then no one will apply under the new system and you will have no idea of what the intent of permit holders is.
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  938.  @patrickburke7207  so right off the bat, 700x 100 is 70,000. Not 700,000. So let's make that 70 trains. I'm not sure where you came up with 2000 tankers. I also am not going to back check your price, but again it should actually be $6 billion. Assuming a train moved an average of 50/km an hour, which is maybe high for a freight train, and we are taking a 1000km trip over the rockies, which is a shorter than realistic route, it will take 20h to reach port. I think it's reasonable to say that makes it a day to get there, a day to get back, and there is likely a day between unloading and reloading to tag on. Again I would say this is generous. That means for 700k a day, we will actually need 210 trains, or $18 billion. And that is ignoring the fact we have an additional 70 trains running a day. Which is going to have a very notable impact on track requirements. We can imagine there is capacity, but in reality you are going to not only have to twin existing tracks to move all those trains back east, but also build entirely new track for that kind of capacity that allows a 100 car train to go buy 70 times a day, or every 20 minutes, alongside existing freight traffic on what is already a congested route. So $18 billion, which I would argue is considerably more to roughly equivalent to a new pipeline Contrary to Markham's claims, for the cars alone. Making some very optimistic assumptions, and entirely ignoring the safety issues. And also ignoring that we are using much more energy to transport this way, either diesel for the train, or electrical for pumps on a pipeline..
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  962.  @samuelmorales2344  I am repeating 3 district claims. 1. Malaria was introduced to North America by Early explores. This does not appear to be in dispute. 2. Hook worm made people in general in the south "lazy". Or rather, chronically ill and exhausted. This is well attested to in literature and was well understood in the 1930s when elimination efforts were undertaken (by the government and Rockefeller foundation) to increase productivity in the south. 3. That Malaria disproportionately effected non sub Saharan populations with high mortality rates. This is the point that appears to be under- what is to me a suprising amount of- contention. I have pointed to peer reviewed papers. Malaria being a deadly illness in the South is well attested and led to national erratiction efforts. I'm certainly not saying other disease don't matter, only that Malaria matters heavily, to the point the African interior was a near death sentence for Europeans until a cure was invented. I even refered to another disease, hook worm, in the top comment. Other disease obviously matter, all those you've listed help to explain why Native American slavery was not nearly as predominant as African. In regards to Nigeria, you are nearly arguing my point for me, as it is both in a Malaria zone and the people have a natural immunity. And in regards to natural disaster setting people back...they do? Just because something can be overcome doesn't mean it doesn't have an affect. Idk how, for example, someone could suggest Puerto Rico isn't negatively affected by hurricanes.
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  968. I think when we talk about the oil sands, we really need to do a better job dividing between the Insitu (SAGD) and Mining operations. When we discuss environmental liabilities, we are discussing almost entirely Tailings ponds. And that is entirely a product of Mining. I would say we need a Production (not emissions) cap on the Mining Sector, with a plan to ramp down and end production over 25 years, with the quotas for production based on tailings reductions. However, to pay for that, we should be encouraging an increase in the SAGD operations. That provides the revenue for the companies to operate and fund reclamation, and doesn't have abandoned wells or tailings waste. SAGD is the main growth vector already. However, it is currently higher emissions, and I do believe we should remove the emissions cap. That is not to excuse them from the industrial carbon price, but oil sands emissions are not wrose than those of other sectors. The point of a carbon price is to reduce the least valuable emissions. And it should be mentioned that per barrel costs and emissions fall as SAGD output grows, a hypothetical doubling of SAGD production would not result in a corresponding doubling of emissions, and would increase competitiveness across fields. I do think focusing to deeply on the domestic emissions of an export oriented sector is a mistake. But more importantly, the solution here clearly must be technology, and specifically, imo, it has to be SMRs. And to decouple Oilsands from NG, and associated fracking emissions, we should be requiring a diluent mixing requirement such that an increasing fraction of dilutent is SCO, reducing the amount of NG condensate used, which is currently the majority of diluent.
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  972.  @Dman6779 I'm going to start by saying Ukrainian bombing of Russian refineries doesn't really impact US oil prices, Biden is more concerned about the appearance as he goes into an election, and of trying to lower global inflation and global oil prices, both to lower the cost of imports and bring supply chain inflation down, and to maintain European support. To your TL;DR, I agree completely, losing energy security is exactly what I'm afraid of, I don't want a crash in prices destroying the North American Oil industries and making us reliant on imports of both oil and Chinese renewables. oil has a massive effect on the economy because it fuels cars and transport, Petro chemicals in the North East and Gulf coast, is a major part of the economy in the South west, and represents 15% of US exports and is a major component to the balance of trade. In Canada it's not only 15% of exports, Alberta is also the region with the highest per capita incomes, and many of those jobs are oil sands related. Our progressive tax system will mean that a very large drop in income tax revenue is at stake, along with a large portion of Albertas government royalties, and Federal revenue for oil. Oil sands mining, where a lot of the good blue collar jobs are focused, is a very regional affair focused in fort McMurray, and those Mining jobs won't survive a year of low prices. So you're looking at a sizable city in complete collapse, a provincial depression as 10s of thousands of the provinces highest earners going on Unemployment and oil taxes disappear, and a national depression as a dollar weaken with our balance of trade, banks (particularly RBC) see massive losses, our precarious property market dies, and our Stock market crashes. But I see what you are saying, and I would like to see a smart wind down of the oil industry toward geothermal (Eavor is a promising company) with fracking and SAGD oil sands in particular being technologies well suited to have investment redirected to digging wells and pumping hot fluid. I'm Canadian, and I really want to see more material manufacturering with bitumen production to diversify the oil sands industry itself. Bitumen has an advantage in producing Carbon Fiber, and I would like to see Alberta become a major producer on the global market. I'd also like to see the NG industry refocus toward hydrogen production, although generally I support the LNG operations in the US Gulf (although Canadian LNG is largely DOA). And of course greater diversity of industry in general in building solar and wind and EVs, and in Canada in particular Mining material for supply chains. But that doesn't just happen. It certainly doesn't happen if the industry collapses and government revenues collapse. You need to develop technologies, build infrastructure, attact or invest in manufacturing. I think this is very urgent, but the times lines to open a mine are still a decade. And China isn't cutting its oil demand because it's worried about climate change, it's trying to beat us in a race that will decide where energy comes from. I'd also like to see a Pipeline Called eagle spirit built to bring another Mbbl/d to the Pacific, although I'm against DilBit exports on the North coast, but I'd like to see a large 100kbbl/d asphalt plant, a 200kbbl/d Diesel specific plant, a 300kbbl/d refinery tuned to Californian standards and that can supply Jet fuel to Vancouver, and a 400kbbl/d partial upgrade to sell a Heavy Syncrude to Asia/California. Which maybe you're not going to love, but right now 90% of our exports go to Chicago, and I'd like to see that getting a better price.
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  973. I think this is really a non issue with battery storage becoming commercialized. The 2h units we see being built now deal with the frequency control, which allows them to buy and sell power regularly through the day and provide return on capital. Which also lets you turn off NG plants, and since a 2h reserve into the evening is available, let's you uprate NG plants to Cogeneration. Of course, Storage like this works best with Solar. I think as we see Solar with short batteries grow in capacity we'll see existing NG plants uprated in this way to grow NG capacity for the night periods, while burning less gas overall by not operating inefficiently in the day to load follow and not operating overcapacity in the evening. In terms of wind in Alberta though, the simple solution is connections between Edmonton-Site C and Calgary-revelstoke. Allows you to sell power to BC and California when it's windy (less over supply on the local grid let's NG operate at raised levels constantly), while importing cheap Hydro when it's not to avoid NG plants monopolizing prices. We already have the Calgary - Edmonton connections. On the coal point, particularly in Texas where fracking to produce all the NG has such significant leakage, a critical Coal plant might actually be lower emissions - likewise in Alberta where NG is coming from fracking in the North West. It's what China has been doing since they don't have gas, you hear all about China building coal capacity but it's much more efficient than people realize. The much higher capital cost is the killer, imo, since expectations are storage will drop enough to outcompete, whereas NG has less risk of stranded assets. But I do have to point out most coal stations are not bituminous, and that is more expensive than more common Lignite. I'd also like to see large oil Sands SAGD operations move to Nuclear steam production, and through Cogeneration provide a relatively stable baseload to industry around Edmonton. And I'm very hopeful for the investment that's gone into Hydrogen in Alberta. Hydrogen might be an excellent way to adsorb solar and particularly wind surpluses. If cheap hydrogen can be produced, then you can upgrade any carbon feedstock into synthetic NG. It won't matter if it's from coal, or ideally, bitumen, adding Hydrogen can get you all the petrochemicals and light fuel you need without methane emissions from Fracking. I think the best possible outcome would be an upgrader in BC at the end of Transmountain able to produce oil to order specifications to sell to a premium to refineries who need it to balance other blends bought on the market.
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  983. ​ @cinnybear9 because it yields middle distillates and base oils, along with bitumen used for asphalt binder and potentially carbon fiber etc. As EVs grow, they will displace gasoline. That will specifically reduce demand for light and medium crudes. Most refineries are designed to be focused on the Gasoline market, those tea pot refineries will be the first to shut down as gasoline prices crash in the glut. Albian heavy synthetic and Western Canadian Access both sell at near the level of WTI, sometimes above it. It will be the heavy refineries that operate longest and long into the future jet fuel and other heavy and irreplaceable products. The Shale ultra light drillers are already shutting down. Shale wells only last a few years, if drilling continues to collapse, it will be over by 2030 taking a few million bbl/d off the market. Gasoline will increasingly be cracked for Naphtha pushing down the value until petrochemical demand is met. Light and medium producers will lose the value from Naphtha and gasoline, and as the lightest increasingly get pushed out taking both the existing Naphtha and gasoline fractions out of supply, that will continue to open up space for more Gasoline produced at a lower ratio from heavier crudes to be diverted to that market. Until eventually energy to liquids technology is developed and commericalized, at which point that will continue to reduce the market for the lightest Hydrocarbons, eating the market for Naphtha, until finally being used for heavy RPPs.
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  1073.  @shotelco  I would say the mere fact that people haven't acknowledged thier responsiblity is proof they won't, all else being equal. Your suggesting climate town is enfantilizing peoples, which makes them not feel responsible. But he's literally doing a series of videos on how large scale corperations take multi faceted action to convince people there is no issue to be responsible for. Your right, of course, Americans are sheep. But being a country of immegrants it's clearly not for genetic reasons. I agree people should think for themselves but the reality is there is billions of dollars spent to make them think a certain way, and there is no way I can comprehend for them to think for themselves with out being informed of and acknowledging that fact To be direct, your taking issue with a hyper consumption culture in a culture thats exposed to constant advertisement to consume. And then points sole blame on the person who consumes, going so far as to be upset that someone would point out the advertiser? I certainly disagree the solution is decentralisation. Large scale nuclear, widely dispersed wind, and deep closed loop geothermal should be giving us nearly free energy in walkable, transit oriented cities. The idea we should spread out and try to garden is wasteful and unnecessarily uncomfortable to me. Sure there will be uncomfortable points, but overall I think its an incorrect line of though that we need to decrease our standard of living rather than simply change how we do it.
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  1077.  @willnitschke  I would suggest that because YouTube is so difficult to communicate with, replacing an explanation with an assertion is particularly useless. I also have a minor in economics, I don't claim expertise, but implying I have no grasp is a weak character argument. I don't endorse MMT and Kelson is a Hack. But the point around the dollar being a tax credit is a point I agree on. It's a Fiat currency, everyone knows this is a creation of the state. Your reply is equivalent to thinking that wheat isn't grown for food because a farmer could never eat it all themselves; people who don't pay taxes, whether domestic or international users, have a large population of working individuals who do need USD for taxes to trade with. It hardly matters why people think a currency has value, how many people think USD has value because "Petro dollar and US Navy"? No one is trading scarps of unbacked paper because it just feels right. I agree that Fiat currencies compete with each other in part on the basis you are describing. The US dollar is more reliable than the Argentinian dollar undoubtedly. The issues around Argentina spending more than is taxed is widely understood and fits perfectly well within this framing, what good are tax credits when everyone has more than enough to pay taxes. Look again at Canada. In the last decade both the $1000 bill and 1¢ penny have stopped being accepted by the government, neither remain in usage. Look at the French Franc or the German Mark or the Italian Lyra etc. None are accepted by their former government, and so none remain in circulation. Instead the Euro, accepted by all 3 governments, is the currency. I don't understand why it's contentious to you that a Fiat currency, issued by a government, is primarily valued by its acceptance by that government. One can pay for another good with any other currency, or choose not to pay for a good or service. Taxes are required in set currencies, chiefly the national fiat but with exceptions - generally based around accepting USD - and must be paid. Inarguably a government can print currency. Surely you would agree a government that printed currency but refused to accept it would soon find that currency valueless. How is it you disagree then, that accepting a Fiat currency is what drives its value?
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  1102. @imacmill  well, I love in Southern Ontario, and I don't love the all of my oil comes through the US, and that most of it comes from Line 5 which Michigan has been trying to shut down for years, and Biden was keeping open for us, and which Trump could choice to have the EPA close tomorrow. Even though I know it would cost some money and isn't directly profitable. Sometimes infrastructure does cost money, I doubt either of us take issue with Transmission lines being subsidized, for example. But more widely as a Canadian, the US is about to collapse our exports if we are serious about fighting back. That will be expressed heavily through enormous declines in oil volume and more over price under a growing discount pushing down value. We could rapidly lose 10% of our exports via oil, alongside collapses in New Brunswick from St. John, Ontario's de industrialization, and a general commodity slump. And since Canada is a trade dependent economy, fewer exports will lower the value of the CAD value over a prolonged period, will mean inflation. And mean that Eastern Canada is exporting Capital for a good we domestically. And on top of all that will probably see a million+ immigrants going home alongside a general Property Market and Financial crash, between bank exposure to oil sands and housing. So I would be largely in favor of risking a financial loss on a pipeline as a hedge against a sudden drop in currency value and energy security, although I think the discount we will see in the future will more than compensate for pipeline costs, and really want to minimize the time it stays that large. And I think it's rather dishonest to quote Transmountain as a reasonable cost estimate given it was built over Covid. Because the biggest Issue is Alberta. Which will be the center of the depression. Fort Mac will be a ghost town, because the Mines will be the first thing to close and if we lost Line 5 that's almost half the market for upgraded syncrude. Weak future prospects will end the conventional drilling even though conventional output will continue at low prices from existing wells. The Government of Alberta will lose half it's revenue, a third in oil royalties alone, because the sliding royalty scale. And have an unemployment crisis of formerly very high wage blue collar workers, again alongside other provinces. And all the while Trump will be on Fox saying Alberta should join the US and they would be rich. With Pro American support already at 10% or higher. If we want to keep Alberta, we need to have more of their oil dependent on Canada than on the US, and right now 80% of their output goes through the US. The US, Trump, doesn't want Quebec. It doesn't want a bunch of democrats and retries. it wants the Conservative, oil rich province, full of young people and with a road to Alaska. That is the biggest point of issue. The Federal government pays Quebec $13 billion in equalization, it can risk losing $20 billion over 20 years to make Alberta happy. It really doesn't matter if you think it's financially or economically unsound, we need to keep Alberta. And we are already in a competition with the US for it. But also more fundamentally, I think Markham speaks in bad faith around the oil sands. Electrification and EVs will decimate demand for Gasoline, but they are having little impact on Diesel and jet fuel, or lubricants. Look at Sturgeon Falls, we can take a barrel of Bitumen and produce a barrel of Diesel. OPEC and conventional oil get like 20-30% a barrel of Diesel from a barrel of oil, and about half a barrel of Gasoline. Which means high prices for heavy RPP are going to support oil production with gasoline sold off cheap and pushing EVs out of markets. High prices we can both exploit to carve out market for value added products. And keeping heavy RPP prices lower, and thereby reducing the profit in refining, and therefore produce less gasoline to dump on the Market. Upgraders provide an excellent industrial customer for Green Hydrogen, and alongside the insitu operations, an industrial customer for SMRs. Frankly once nuclear I would like to see Gasifiers to push out the Shale fracking to the west to feeds LNG. And all that is besides that Fact that Markham perfectly agrees that non combustion uses should be developed. There is no reason not to use a pipeline to deliver bitumen to coastal BC where Carbon Fiber or Asphalt binder can be produced for global export. We can build a pipeline now, and develop industry as demand falls, not that I think it will for heavy oil. I completely agree with adding as much value as possible.
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  1130. You described some of what Canada gets out of it and completely left out other aspects. That same conversation referenced Alberta taking advantage of Canadas immense hydro power; that can only mean building connection to trade power with BC, likely in the form of an Edmonton Site C connection. That both pushes NG out of Albertas grid and encourages more renewable investment. And as you stated, we gain credibility. We gain a decarbonization of the sector. I honestly don't understand. You are aware of O&GS massive liabilities, in finance and environment. How do you expect those to be paid off? You are aware of Albertas government revenue position, what do you expect to be done if royalties and employment disappear? You complain at length about the cost of industrial policy, what is the cost of not having it? This isn't just subsidies to oil, these technologies build our industries in SMRs and Hydrogen and Carbon capture. Transitioning our economy costs money, I truely cannot grasp your view. It's not as though we are spending $30 billion annually, that is a life time cost paid over decades to not only salvage a key industry but create new ones. I get that you want to "add value" but a nation doesn't get to wake up oneday and decide it's now the global leader in X high end industry. Carbon Capture and Nuclear are industries we actually lead in; subsidizing thier development isn't bad because our most at risk industry benefits. It's like fighting against EVs because our Auto companies will survive as a result.
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  1156.  @Inez-z2z  I'm not going to continually harass you, last message I promise, but I'm lingering on you claiming I want a Fossil-fueled future, because that stings and just isn't true. I understand how it may look like that because it looks like I'm regularly posting in support of building some pipelines, but that is only happening because Markham is making bad faith arguments and using his apparent expertise to empower them. There are very real and structural risks to our economy and democracy, which Markham is aware of and drawing attention to, but will utter ignoring if the conversation is around O&G. It is dangerous, and if he wants to call himself an energy journalist he has the responsibility to report on issues even when they may lend credence to a pipeline. I am happy to talk at length about electrification policies I want to see. I regularly make comment of them when they are relevant to a video. Unfortunately, instead of using his time and energy to make a point of all the specific policies and projects we should be engaging in, Markham chooses to spend his time focused on the fact that a pipeline under year old economic projections may not be entirely self funding and is therefore utterly unjustifiable, even though he clearly believes there are many times when infrastructure, even energy infrastructure, should be built even if it is not directly profitable. And so many of my comments end up around what he is intentionally leaving out of the pipeline conversation instead of why he is right we need more serve farms.
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  1162. ​ @jasonwilliams8016 TLDR; Not a large market for apshaltene rich bitumen to the best of my knowledge. Unfortunately my knowledge of North America is a lot stronger than Europe. But I've never been a strong booster for East Coast exports as I think Europe is a declining market. It's refineries are generally older and built around light crudes, it has no limited domestic supply and falling demand, and regulation and costs are prohibitive. I would go so far as to say Europe is already seeing the gasoline glut the rest of the world will see in the next decade, and that's going to hurt gasoline exports. It's already seeing a lot of refineries going offline and limited runs. Although with the 1.5% NATO infrastructure spending we may be able to find a role as a long term supplier of heavy oil or RPPs. That said, I've always been unclear what Markham is referring to at 10M bbl/d in Ultra heavy crude refining - I think it is coking capacity. The issue with Oilsands bitumen is mainly the asphaltenes, and I do believe that would be a problem with Europe. However, over a Million barrels a day of bitumen is upgraded into SCOs of varying specifications, and Europe would be a market for any of that without issue (it is bottomless, so any refinery can accept it). And partially upgrading would allow refineries to accept it broadly, although wether they can process or the bottoms depends on their capability. Europe has around 7% of world Coking capacity I believe. I remember Antwerp's refinery getting a Coker, and I think Rotterdam's shell refinery, so that's half a million bbl/d heavy. I think there is some real potential in diverting Irving to Europe. Irving focuses on US exports, and produces a lot of middle distillates that feed the home heating fuel oil market in both Canada and New England. That market is shrinking, and Europe is starved for distillates.
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  1167.  @negativeindustrial  I truely doubt that, consider what you're saying. Who could and would invade the North of Canada? There are three options, China and Russia are obvious. So China? Not a chance, it is likely at its military apex right now before it's population starts to crash, and it still can't invade an island 100km off the coast full of people who consider themselves part of China. They aren't going to sail through the bearing strait, along the Alaskan coast, into the North. So Russia? Can't invade Non-NATO member along a giant flat plain on its border full of people who speak Russian Russia? Famous single aircraft carrier that breaks down everywhere it goes and is accompanied by a tug Russia? Either of these countries are going to cross an ocean famously frozen throughout the winter, which is just now barely being usable in the summer, to try to beach head along a coast with a single highway (Tuktuyktuk) access point, with -30 temperatures all winter unstable frost or permafrost? In an area of so little economic value that Canada itself doesn't use it? Let alone that, if we left NATO, the US would still protect us under NORAD because the US needs that buffer to stop missiles. And simply isn't going to allow a hostile foreign force on its periphery. Which leaves the only other country that might, and the only one with the logistics to, invade Canada's North, which is the USA. In which case, freaking Estonian isn't going to help us. Germany is not going to declare war on the US. Poland isn't going to risk it's relationship with the country that protects it from Russia for Canada to have some tundra. And the Canadian Military isn't competing with the US's even if it reaches 2%. Maybe you mean China will invade some Valley in BC's north coast. Maybe it could manage a foot hold there for a week, but again, with constant logistical resupply needed it's simply impossible. Even before the US turns them to dust. Maybe Labrador is at risk on the east coast? I refer you back to the freezing temperatures, 0 infrastructure, and 0 economic value. And then our friend the US, who will send whatever rockets are needed. Canada has no enemies that can hurt it. I would like a bigger military. I would like the good international attention. But I'm not going to listen to European countries cry that we aren't spending enough to protect them, when that's all NATO is. Beggars shouldn't be choosers, the fact we put 1% of our spending into an Airforce that is only ever going to operate abroad to support European and world peace should be enough for them. Or kick us out of NATO. It makes 0 difference to us. Only NATO loses, because Canada was simply never going to trigger article 5.
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  1276.  @ryuuguu01   the numbers are entirely arbitrary, but 500k bbl/d is roughly Northern Gateway, and Alberta innovates claims it could be processing 100k bbl/d in 10 years, so ramping up to 1M bbl/d over severa decades seems reasonable. In reference to Sudbury, all conversation around the ring of fire seems to assume ore will be shipped to Sudbury to be refined, considerably farther than Toronto. But also, refining in this context would be the Bitumen cleaning process, which is obviously still some on site in Alberta. Making Carbon fiber is like making sheet metal. I agree that you want economies of scale and local ecosystems. If we look at the Chinese example in Solar, silicon is produced inland in the West in Xinjiang, but Solar Cells are produced from that material on the Coast in Jiangsu as the major hub, but with other less prominent hubs in other coastal states. I don't know what to say except it is very normal to focus manufacturing in coastal areas for logistics and employment reasons. This is the same as your statement on wind, extract the resource where it's profitable, and then ship it somewhere to use it. The reason to duplicate the economy is for scale and because we have a natural advantage, and producing it in Alberta would be more expensive to export west. But also, I don't think it's sublet in suggesting we could build a pipeline and export oil today while scaling up that manufacturing over the next decades so that we get the benefit of oil exports without the risk of stranded assets.
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  1297. ​​ @PeterWitherspoon-x4p Ultimately, my reply is What is your point? I would emphasize that; China is the world's largest importer and determined to remove dependence and EVs are rapidly displacing gasoline which is almost half of every barrel of oil - which will demand higher prices for jet fuel or diesel to compensate for dumping gasoline (even in a reduced oil price environment), and so I think this should be seen in the wider context of a strategic move by China cripple the US economy while removing its own main weakness But most importantly, even if oil stays at 100M bbl/d, it will clearly be at a much lower price for the foreseeable future. OPEC is increasing production to try and capture the market and grow a market in Africa, so low prices to drive out Shale oil and EVs are here permanently, or else EVs will increasingly destroy the market. And OPEC will keep prices low, or collapse entirely and lead to a free market based on competition in oil production and truely drive down oil values. Without the supply constraint of OPEC and with the demand destruction of EVs Oil is not the valuable commodity an intentional monopoly has made it appear, and without that market restraint it's not black gold. I think it's very possible oil demand will maintain, and at the very least I think SAGD in the oilsands can increase production in the face of global declines and low prices. But I think the era of oil as printing money has ended, and oil is now just another commodity without considerable royalties or particularly high profits..
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  1298. @PeterWitherspoon-x4p Ultimately, my reply is What is your point? I would emphasize that; China is the world's largest importer and determined to remove dependence and EVs are rapidly displacing gasoline which is almost half of every barrel of oil - which will demand higher prices for jet fuel or diesel to compensate for dumping gasoline (even in a reduced oil price environment), and so I think this should be seen in the wider context of a strategic move by China cripple the US economy while removing its own main weakness But most importantly, even if oil stays at 100M bbl/d, it will clearly be at a much lower price for the foreseeable future. OPEC is increasing production to try and capture the market and grow a market in Africa, so low prices to drive out Shale oil and EVs are here permanently, or else EVs will increasingly destroy the market. And OPEC will keep prices low, or collapse entirely and lead to a free market based on competition in oil production and truely drive down oil values. Without the supply constraint of OPEC and with the demand destruction of EVs Oil is not the valuable commodity an intentional monopoly has made it appear, and without that market restraint it's not black gold. I think it's very possible oil demand will maintain, and at the very least I think SAGD in the oilsands can increase production in the face of global declines and low prices. But I think the era of oil as printing money has ended, and oil is now just another commodity without considerable royalties or particularly high profits. And we need to be considerate of that when discussing future investment and outcomes.
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  1301. ​​ @PeterWitherspoon-x4p honestly, in 4/5 of my posts, I'm arguing for the oilsands. I am supportive of the Canadian Oil industry, or at least the SAGD operations in the oilsands. But you are completely missing the reality of the situation. If OPEC could maintain an $80 barrel, they would be. The Saudis have been struggling with members going over quotas while the shale oil producers and offshore south American producers steal market share for the last decade. And now the Chinese market, the largest importer in the world, is collapsing. China is increasing its own production, even if it halves demand imports become inconsequential. And it will halve demand, it is determined, beyond any economic metric, to not depend on seaborne oil imports. It literally produced more EVs last year than North America produced vehicles. Its goal is to distrupt the oil market. Passenger vehicles may be 25% of oil demand. But that is almost entirely gasoline. Gasoline is half of every conventional barrel. If the market for gasoline collapses, that impacts every other market. The 10% of a barrel going to Jet fuel costs a lot more if no one will buy the half that is gasoline. This is literally why I think Canada can be the last producer in the export market. Bitumen can produce all the heavy RPPs (jet fuel, diesel, base oils for lubricants), along with dominating the global asphalt market, without dealing with any unwanted gasoline. But China is not the only country producing EVs. It is not the only country that wants energy independence. the gasoline demand will go away. This is a structural issue. EVs were taking market demand even in South America and South Asia, that is why OPEC has dropped prices, it needs to fight off EVs. And going forward, EVs will only get less expensive with Chinese over capacity, and any attempt to raise prices will lose long term market share..
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  1302. ​​ @PeterWitherspoon-x4p . honestly, in 4/5 of my posts, I'm arguing for the oilsands. I am supportive of the Canadian Oil industry, or at least the SAGD operations in the oilsands.  But you are completely missing the reality of the situation. If OPEC could maintain an $80 barrel, they would be. The Saudis have been struggling with members going over quotas while the shale oil producers and offshore south American producers steal market share for the last decade.  And now the Chinese market, the largest importer in the world, is collapsing. China is increasing its own production, even if it halves demand imports become inconsequential. And it will halve demand, it is determined, beyond any economic metric, to not depend on seaborne oil imports. It literally produced more EVs last year than North America produced vehicles. Its goal is to distrupt the oil market.  Passenger vehicles may be 25% of oil demand. But that is almost entirely gasoline. Gasoline is half of every conventional barrel. If the market for gasoline collapses, that impacts every other market. The 10% of a barrel going to Jet fuel costs a lot more if no one will buy the half that is gasoline.  This is literally why I think Canada can be the last producer in the export market. Bitumen can produce all the heavy RPPs (jet fuel, diesel, base oils for lubricants), along with dominating the global asphalt market, without dealing with any unwanted gasoline.  But China is not the only country producing EVs. It is not the only country that wants energy independence. the gasoline demand will go away. This is a structural issue. EVs were taking market demand even in South America and South Asia, that is why OPEC has dropped prices, it needs to fight off EVs. And going forward, EVs will only get less expensive with Chinese over capacity, and any attempt to raise prices will lose long term market share.
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  1303. @PeterWitherspoon-x4p honestly, in 4/5 of my posts, I'm arguing for the oilsands. I am supportive of the Canadian Oil industry, or at least the SAGD operations in the oilsands.  But you are completely missing the reality of the situation. If OPEC could maintain an $80 barrel, they would be. The Saudis have been struggling with members going over quotas while the shale oil producers and offshore south American producers steal market share for the last decade.  And now the Chinese market, the largest importer in the world, is collapsing. China is increasing its own production, even if it halves demand imports become inconsequential. And it will halve demand, it is determined, beyond any economic metric, to not depend on seaborne oil imports. It literally produced more EVs last year than North America produced vehicles. Its goal is to distrupt the oil market.  Passenger vehicles may be 25% of oil demand. But that is almost entirely gasoline. Gasoline is half of every conventional barrel. If the market for gasoline collapses, that impacts every other market. The 10% of a barrel going to Jet fuel costs a lot more if no one will buy the half that is gasoline.  This is literally why I think Canada can be the last producer in the export market. Bitumen can produce all the heavy RPPs (jet fuel, diesel, base oils for lubricants), along with dominating the global asphalt market, without dealing with any unwanted gasoline.  But China is not the only country producing EVs. It is not the only country that wants energy independence. the gasoline demand will go away. This is a structural issue. EVs were taking market demand even in South America and South Asia, that is why OPEC has dropped prices, it needs to fight off EVs. And going forward, EVs will only get less expensive with Chinese over capacity, and any attempt to raise prices will lose long term market share..
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  1322. @Niko C   "I don't care what's simply most efficient, humans are not robots. I care what yeilds the best living standards for people" You some kinda communist then? Would you say you have a similar view on health care or wage laws or taxation of the wealthy for redistribution? But also, does "best living standards" not included lung disease and pedestrian deaths? Or deaths in car accidents more widely? Or time in traffic or commute? I also see you say its an objective fact more crime happens on a public transit, but thats blatantly false. 11,654 people died in car crashes involving just a druck driver, whereas 291 died (in total) on public transit in the US in 2020. By impact on mortality or number of crimes I think its pretty clear public transit is lower. "having to share your personal space with other people, without your concent, is not freedom" I mean, if your personal space is the space you occupy, you are correctly describing rape and its not freedom. But if we're not talking about the space you literally occupy, the. what is "your personal space" Does the UN or the USA or any country have a legal definition of the area around you you legally control? It sounds like you're claiming other people existing is a problem. You also ask why you should build ywo parallel systems? How is two lanes in the same direction not literally that? Because they both use cars? That argument is easily equivalent to saying tall buildings would find it cheaper to build an extra elevator over a flight of stairs, obviously incorrect. And what then makes it a "parallel system"? Can we put a bus on the second lane or is that now redundant. What if we build it just for the bus because of high demand, or is redundant whenever cars can't use something (in which case a bed is "redundant"). And of course saying a bus lane is good but putting tracks on it is bad makes no sense, so I'm really unclear on where the system become parallel and redundant. Last point, your are aware they don't strap you into public transit? And if you don't like who you're near you can move? But yes everyone knows cars take up more than 2 square meters that is the issue- that its impossible to use cars in a dense environment because space is a limitation.
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  1338. @scottcincinnatikid9804  I don't have any strong objections to these points. And your third sentence is non-confrontational. The only thing somewhat nebulous is the fourth sentence, because MMT suggests (and not only MMT) that while the government while take after giving, the giving will create enough benefits it is still worth while. I would say we shouldn't vote off Proverbs, and that the concept of MMT says we should vote for responsible financiers. I guess my main disagreement, I should be clear it is not inherent, is "The borrowing happening now, even if held by the Fed, will require future debt servicing cost, meaning less". You'll never find a successful business afraid to borrow. While technically I agree, borrowing means repayment with interest, I don't agree that implies less. We should expect our elected government to invest well enough that less is not the outcome. A failure in this is a failure in the democratic concept. I would never expect the public sector to invest better than the best of the private sector, but I do believe proper investment into infrastructure and a nation's comparative or strategic advantages leveraged at the relatively low borrowing rates nations face can be advantageous. Honestly, if someone ran on the idea of giving every citizen a savings account funded by national borrowing, where we could only keep the dividend payments, I'd have to think very seriously about what I thought of the lower end of society. The low cost of national borrowing is enticing. "Government spending for the most part is just reclassification of who will consume". Even on this point, between tax and borrowing, I'm not sure tax is the better choice. Taxing means taking away from productive investment, borrowing means taking away from the least productive investments. Does the economy really grow better under an income tax that pays for education than borrowing now in the expectation those educated will grow the economy? I find it hard to square.
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  1347. The electrical surcharge was stupid but power was not cut off. The US government is actively saying the goal is annexation through economic pressure. Idk how you can separate that from the conversation. But this is much worse than tariffs. Any trade deal better Canada and the US going forward won't seriously be trusted by investors when the president who signed the last one will turn around with 25% tariffs. This makes it basically impossible for us to have free trade in the future as it would lead to complete dominance of the Canadian market without any investment to create sales to the US. Canada has tariffs on a limited number of fields. Is it really a wonder we want to keep our staple food production domestic when our strongest trading partner may unexpectedly turn around and use trade restrictions as leverage? And frankly, the US has a long history of subsidizing agriculture, and has never actually faced any tariff on dairy imports because they have never produced and exported enough that met our health standards. Canada never stole US industry, we have become as reliant on China as you. This is a flour mill blaming the wheat farmer for not buying enough flour. We sell you inputs, we obviously can't buy all your outputs, my TV is not military equipment, my phone is not a car, and my clothing isn't software. We sell 3/4s of our exports to the US, we buy over half our capital equipment from the US. But the very problem is America no longer produces consumer goods. I'm not a fan of Trump, but when he was elected part of me was excited something was finally going to be done about China. Instead Canada faces tariffs twice as high because it's easier to steal what little manufacturing we have left than quit the addiction to cheap Chinese garbage. So you'll forgive me for not thinking these highly targeted tariffs on industrial partnerships built over decades are not a run of the mill tool to generate revenues.
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  1348. @michaelenman9498  you need to understand this really isn't true. I am very frustrated at Canadians for not understanding we can in fact be hurt by these policies and Americans largely won't be. Let's look at oil. We have seen during Covid and 2018 what happens when we do not have sufficient take away capacity. All oil is priced out of Hardisty, AB. 600k bbl/d goes south through Keystone to the Gulf Coast refineries. If a selective tariff is placed on Canada, then for our oil to sell in the Gulf where international crude is available, the purchase price, aka the price in Hardisty + the fee for the tariff, cannot be higher than the global price. We will see a discount on oil to accommodate the additional cost purchasers pay in tariff, or else we will lose the 600k bbl/d to international competition, which would be worse for prices. A discount that will be available to all purchases, including the Midwest. We literally saw price movements the day of the tariff taking off an immediate 4% relative to US WTI. Let's look at Aluminum or Iron. What is the alternative market? We will have to ship by rail to the Pacific, and then oversea. That is significant transportation cost. So long as a Tariff does not drive down prices to the point producers are losing revenue, we will adsorb most of the cost in the form of lower profits and capital write downs. Manufacturing and the complex supply chain will be reflected in substantially higher prices. But a new car is not an essential or regular purchase. Auto manufacturers will move production to the US over the next few years, even without a tariff, if this uncertainty continues. Do you think Trump, backed by Musk, cares if Ford goes under? If they destroy a massive private sector union? Tariffs here will increase prices in the medium term, but that will only make Tesla more competitive in the US and take manufacturing away from Canada. And all of this is going to weaken the CAD. A weaker CAD will suppress our export prices across the board. There may be some level of higher prices on certain goods. But they did the same thing to China in 2018, and the renminbi fell to adsorb almost the entire price difference. And Canada is far more reliant on US trade, and in particular export purchases. We cannot fight this trade war if we aren't going to acknowledge the impact. Do you honestly believe these tariffs will have nearly the impact on us it will on them? What do you think happens when our economy crashes? I don't understand how people can believe this Econ 101 nonsense is actually applicable.
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  1349. @michaelenman9498  you need to understand this really isn't true. I am very frustrated at Canadians for not understanding we can in fact be hurt by these policies and Americans largely won't be. Let's look at oil. We have seen during Covid and 2018 what happens when we do not have sufficient take away capacity. All oil is priced out of Hardisty, AB. 600k bbl/d goes south through Keystone to the Gulf Coast refineries. If a selective tariff is placed on Canada, then for our oil to sell in the Gulf where international crude is available, the purchase price, aka the price in Hardisty + the fee for the tariff, cannot be higher than the global price. We will see a discount on oil to accommodate the additional cost purchasers pay in tariff, or else we will lose the 600k bbl/d to international competition, which would be worse for prices. A discount that will be available to all purchases, including the Midwest. We literally saw price movements the day of the tariff taking off an immediate 4% relative to US WTI. Let's look at Aluminum or Iron. What is the alternative market? We will have to ship by rail to the Pacific, and then oversea. That is significant transportation cost. So long as a Tariff does not drive down prices to the point producers are losing revenue, we will adsorb most of the cost in the form of lower profits and capital write downs. Manufacturing and the complex supply chain will be reflected in substantially higher prices. But a new car is not an essential or regular purchase. Auto manufacturers will move production to the US over the next few years, even without a tariff, if this uncertainty continues. Do you think Trump, backed by Musk, cares if Ford goes under? If they destroy a massive private sector union? Tariffs here will increase prices in the medium term, but that will only make Tesla more competitive in the US and take manufacturing away from Canada. And all of this is going to weaken the CAD. A weaker CAD will suppress our export prices across the board. There may be some level of higher prices on certain goods. But they did the same thing to China in 2018, and the renminbi fell to adsorb almost the entire price difference. And Canada is far more reliant on US trade, and in particular export purchases. We cannot fight this trade war if we aren't going to acknowledge the impact. Do you honestly believe these tariffs will have nearly the impact on us it will on them? What do you think happens when our economy crashes? I don't understand how people can believe this Econ 101 nonsense is actually applicable.
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  1350. @michaelenman9498  you need to understand this really isn't true. I am very frustrated at Canadians for not understanding we can in fact be hurt by these policies and Americans largely won't be. Let's look at oil. We have seen during Covid and 2018 what happens when we do not have sufficient take away capacity. All oil is priced out of Hardisty, AB. 600k bbl/d goes south through Keystone to the Gulf Coast refineries. If a selective tariff is placed on Canada, then for our oil to sell in the Gulf where international crude is available, the purchase price, aka the price in Hardisty + the fee for the tariff, cannot be higher than the global price. We will see a discount on oil to accommodate the additional cost purchasers pay in tariff, or else we will lose the 600k bbl/d to international competition, which would be worse for prices. A discount that will be available to all purchases, including the Midwest. We literally saw price movements the day of the tariff taking off an immediate 4% relative to US WTI. Let's look at Aluminum or Iron. What is the alternative market? We will have to ship by rail to the Pacific, and then oversea. That is significant transportation cost. So long as a Tariff does not drive down prices to the point producers are losing revenue, we will adsorb most of the cost in the form of lower profits and capital write downs. Manufacturing and the complex supply chain will be reflected in substantially higher prices. But a new car is not an essential or regular purchase. Auto manufacturers will move production to the US over the next few years, even without a tariff, if this uncertainty continues. Do you think the guy by backed by Musk cares if GM goes under? If they destroy a massive private sector union? Tariffs here will increase prices in the medium term, but that will only make Tesla more competitive in the US and take manufacturing away from Canada. And all of this is going to weaken the CAD. A weaker CAD will suppress our export prices across the board. There may be some level of higher prices on certain goods. But they did the same thing to China in 2018, and the renminbi fell to adsorb almost the entire price difference. And Canada is far more reliant on US trade, and in particular export purchases. We cannot fight this trade war if we aren't going to acknowledge the impact. Do you honestly believe these tariffs will have nearly the impact on us it will on them? What do you think happens when our economy crashes? I don't understand how people can believe this Econ 101 nonsense is actually applicable.
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  1393. @TheCommonS3Nse  I don't know why the reply is always some variation of me wanting the entire economy based on oil, and particularly crude exports. No one is suggesting we base our economic future on pipelines. Was any aspect of your life impacted by the TransCanada expansion? These aren't Soviet 5 year full society plans. We can develop EVs and Refining and mining and manufacturing and Data Farms all at the same time. But the very simple reality is Eastern Canada will be using oil products for decades. They will surely decrease, but we will still need access to them, and having that access controlled by a country being actively harmful and speaking about annexation is beyond foolish. Why on earth would we be more dependent on Alberta revenues. If Ontario sells more cars that isn't bad for PEI. We are looking at a collapse of Canada's largest export industry, and the main industry of a province, not because of any freemarket force, but because of coordinated action from a trade partner. If we allow that industry to collapse, we are allowing hundreds of thousands to go unemployed in Alberta, and many in Saskatchewan. We are allowing the CAD to weaken from low exports. I don't understand how to reach people. I need people to realize today that in 2 years there is a very real possibility Alberta will be deep in recession, resent eastern Canada for blocking pipelines, listen to a US administration actively calling for them to separate and join the US, and do it. We can't start building a pipeline in 2 years. This is so desperately important to our national integrity. If it's an economic conversation, then the conversation needs to be around; the cost of losing oil supply to the GTA, the cost of losing export value to long term high discounts caused by tariffs, and the pipeline returns assuming such a high discount exists. But it really shouldn't be an economic conversation at this point. Go talk to someone from Alberta and don't dismiss them. Look at Abacus and IPSOS polling. This is as politically necessary as building CP rail was. If we want to keep Western Canada, it's vital economic infrastructure cannot be based in our southern neighbor.
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  1395. @TheCommonS3Nse  I have never once advocated for PP and plan on voting for Carney. Again that's just not true. I am taking issue with Markham, and correctly assumed that he would ignore all of those points. Carney has even hinted he would support an East pipeline, or pipelines in general, which Markham has argued against. That does not change the fundamental need to address Albertan alienation, particularly under a 4th liberal government, or the wider merits to an east west pipeline. PP has referred to the danger line 5 creates, if Markham's goal is to demonstrate PP is misinformed, why did he not address this point? My Criticism is not of Carney, it is of Markham, and his lack of integrity in delivering the full context. The pipeline was most certainly not Trudeaus only investment. There were enormous and beneficial capital subsidies that brought EV manufacturing plants to Ontario, moved steel in Ontario to Hydrogen, built Energy to Ammonia plants in the Maritimes, new electrical transmission infrastructure. But certainly I'm not going to argue Trudeau had some brilliant economic policy. The oil industry, the Alberta based, western Canadian oil industry, is under attack. We export 5M barrels a day. We have no ability to process that or use it domestically. If we do not have alternative market outlets, we will simply see declining output and massive price discounts. If we don't provide a new outlet, we are letting the hundreds of billions invested become stranded assets, today, when there is clearly still a global, and American, market we are simply being removed from. After Covid I was terrifed OPEC would see how vulnerable our industry was, I never imagined it would be the US. And it won't be focused on the SAGD monsters melting bitumen to mix and sell raw as DilBit that might spill and destroy a river. It will be the high employment mining sector Fort Mac is based on that upgrades to a higher value Syncrude. The DilBit, the resource extraction you are against, will not stop. They will sell for dollars on the barrel, they'll even pay to have DilBit taken away in the short term. If we do not have sufficient capacity, it is the mines that will close. We saw it in Covid. The Mines and upgraders are the most expensive oil, and they are expensive because they represent all the jobs. A TransCanada pipeline that only carries Syncrude is good policy. It is not something Markham should be using partial information to rally people against. It provides value added to our resources, it provides energy security to the east half of the country, it provides employment that Northern Alberta is almost entirely dependent on. If we don't build an eastern Connection, we are risking 1970s style fuel rationing in the GTA and an economic depression in Alberta from collapsing government revenue and mass unemployment. If Markham wants to call himself an energy reporter, he should be providing full context. Frankly, he should, even if he thinks there is no acceptable scenario, at least lay out what the best possible east coast configuration would be. He should not be treating all pipelines as equal, or all our oil products as equal. I know he knows they are not, because I initially learned a lot of this from him in Covid. He is using this opportunity to try and close the oil sands, and he does it by leaving out facts I've learned from him in order to convince people that there is absolutely no reason to build a pipeline, although his only justification is always using a pipeline built over Covid as the cost basis and assuming domestic oil prices don't see a significant discount, and therefore finding a pipeline must lose money.
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  1396.  @TheCommonS3Nse  I am not. I agree China will probably peak this year. And global demand will stagnate or fall going forward. I have been arguing this for years even. A TransCanada pipeline isn't about growing the industry. It is addressing that we will need oil in eastern Canada for decades, and moving that oil off line 5, and expanding upgrader capacity to bring the rest of eastern Canada onto domestic blends. Frankly, none of my points are about expanding the industry, I am saying we need to protect it from a collapse caused by the world's premier super power having an aggressive economic policy meant to hurt it. Even if the $25 billion turns out to be a bad investment, that does not mean $25 billion will be lost. Maybe $10 billion is lost, over 20 years. The federal government transfers $20 billion to Quebec a year, no one worries about the lack of return. No one is against the TransCanada highway for not repaying itself will tolls. Sometimes supporting a provincial economy costs money. Sometimes infrastructure costs money. We can afford to risk potentially losing a few billion a year on protecting the entire economy of Alberta. Also, to the comment I don't address this; We do not produce large amounts of oil. We largely produce Bitumen. Again, Markham knows this, and if the discussion is Carbon fiber, suddenly Bitumen is very different from oil. EVs are driving the decline in oil. What does that really mean? It means demand for Gasoline is falling. What's gasoline? The medium-light fraction of a conventional barrel of oil. There is no gasoline in Bitumen. Bitumen is much larger hydrocarbons. You know what isn't declining globally? Jet Fuel. And Diesel. Look at Sturgeon Falls refinery. We can turn an entire barrel of bitumen into Diesel, because it's all heavier going in. For OPEC to make a barrel of Diesel, they need 5 barrels of oil, which means they'll have to dump 2-3 barrels of gasoline on the market cheap. And that's aside from added value. Markham loves non-combustion uses. But why would we not produce those goods at a coast? If we want to sell asphalt binder to the world, should we not have our refiniery on a coast? Coasts? Or Base oils, to make lubricants? Even Carbon fiber, which I am very excited about, but which is a decade at Alberta Innovates best case scenario from using 100k bbl/d? Our product is not losing demand. Oil is losing demand. And we could be displacing barrels of oil with value added Bitumen to Diesel exports. There are 100M barrels of oil on the global market, you really don't think we could compete for 2-3M in the long term even as demand declines? The rise in EVs mean conventional oil is dead, people either want heavy crudes like ours to make heavy RPPs, or NGLs from fracking for petrochemicals. Treating Bitumen like oil is something the Energy Journalist you are watching knows is wrong and incorrect, and will only do if he is arguing against a pipeline. Watch him. If the topic is not an pipeline, bitumen is not oil. If the topic is a pipeline, oil decline is falling so bitumen is oil.
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  1420. ​​ @beatreuteler Again, over the next 20 years I agree. But beyond that, I think you are mistaken to believe storage will be an issue worth consideration. I think nuclear and geothermal have much better chances of success in the long term because they are neither land intensive or restricted in application (refering to closed loop geothermal, not conventional). Not all hydro is equal. There will always be some dams controlling flooding on the Columbia. But there are countries where coal is being added even today; again, that won't stop its phase out. Take a moment and consider what the environmentalists will go after once climate change goes the way of the ozone layer. Massive stretches of the Amazon flooded, fish populations that have been decimated on the pacific coast, methyl mercury released, sediment trapped. Or the simple Economics. Right now, Norway is Europes battery. What happens when importing energy from europe is simply less expensive constantly? What is the argument for keeping the rivers dammed? Or the Geopolitical angle. Dams are both a weapon and a major weakness. Downstream countries don't like being held hostage, and dams within a country are an enormous target. Obviously I can't prove it. I don't think swiss pumped storage is going to be under attack in the same way Gand Coulie or 3 Gorges or Balbina will be. But I do think energy produced from dams will face the same boycott or externality pricing that we see fossil sources face today, particularly as the majority of countries lack considerable hydro and will have access to inexpensive energy..
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  1422.  @macsnafu    The exchange function, and also that it is the unit of account. It is obvious that printing money doesn't create new wealth, but spending that money does lead to production of new wealth. You say like any borrower, the government will have to repay it's loan. But I put forward that large financial institutions don't intend on repaying all their debt, which exist in the form of deposit, and actually aim to increase debt annually. Debt can be a very inexpensive way to access capital. I don't see why we wouldn't want to leverage government spending, with our main concern being growth in the tax base, or Debt to GDP. If you're talking about a crowding out effect, that exists only to the extent interest rates are raised due to borrowing, which itself is a question of inflation. But I would suggest a low crowding out effect is less damaging than taxes in many cases. Taxes are indiscriminate and disincentivize working, interest rates of 3% mean that any investment returning 3% or less won't be made, which means only the least productive will be impacted. In some cases government borrowing can certainly stimulate the economy. When people are afraid to invest they pull capital out of the market. Government debt can pull that back into circulation, and that spending could have a positive multiplier effect. The Guaranteed Job scheme I would support is to have the Federal government fund a program that allows Charities and Municipalities to pay workers Minimum wage for 8 hours a day 5 hours a week, with a basic benefits package. That would keep these jobs from competing with the private market, and I think charities and municipalities are best suited to finding a variety of tasks for differing skills and doing it quickly. I would also extend it to Manufacturering companies for up to 6 months of training, with the requirement the company has to pay 50% of the cost back if the employee isn't working there in a year.
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  1438.  @Willowgirl2015  well, 1, oil royalties are like a third of Alberta's Government revenue. It's nowhere near 70% of Alberta's GDP that's outlandish. 2) it wouldn't have to change over tomorrow. And anything can be negotiated. But yes I would expect the bulk of revenues to be put into a long term wealth fund owned by Alberta. 3) you might not want it said, but they would get oil out. Not just more oil, but also a higher price for all oil, and investment into more oil. That's more jobs, more government revenue, and more royalties. 4) Alberta would own the investment fund. It isn't giving anything way. It would choose what investments were made, which would give it an enormous amount of influence within Canada. All the profits generated would be Alberta's to reinvest domestically, internationally, or spend. The agreement would simply be that the royalties are invested in Canada. I'm not even saying it has to be invested based on where the pipeline goes. I'm not trying to cut out PEI. I'm saying we pull equalization payments if a province tries to block it. But in exchange for the Federal government using its power to get pipelines built, Alberta uses it's royalties to build up Canada. 5) Alberta wouldn't have to pay so much in equalization if those other provinces had a stronger economy. And the fact is, oil prices drive up the CAD, and that destroyed eastern Canada's manufacturing all through the 2000s. We have Dutch disease. We need to diversify our economy. Frankly, if all of Canada had more investment, the Federal government would be able to lower taxes on everyone, including Alberta, because there would be a much larger tax base.
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  1441. In order to help Quebec and Manitoba replace US hydro exports, it may be worth building transmission from both to Southern Ontario. However, I think building our server farms is a far more practical solution. Server farms offer large anchor loads with effectively global export capacity. The major cost is electricty, which we have both cheap and cleanly, but the major component of that electrical demand is for cooling, which we have in even more abundance. In particular, combining a built out of server farms using geothermal heating and cooling would provide an opportunity to move drigging rigs and apply existing industry experience on to geothermal activity, and build our overall geothermal drilling knowledge. With geothermal cooling, we may be able to extend mass servers to renewables on the prairies as well. I think importantly, we should consider the scale of such purchases, and what that kind of customer is worth to a supplier. We'd likely be able to leverage such large purchases against the company or a country to receive an investment deal of some kind. Maybe get a Chip FAB or a pipeline for it. I also think there are strategic advantages to having a considerable server capacity, and other countries may also favour us for apparent rule of law and relatively safe neighborhood. We do have to make sure we don't allow it to price out consumers, but we're a ways away from that. In the meantime, backing our telecom companies to do it may allow them to make more revenue on server sales and lower phone prices, and backing the provincial utilities would allow renewable resource development in more remote locations.
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  1482.  @johnnykey00    A mix of Chinese statements, EIA reports, and analysist. China will replace gas with Domestic gas (China has the world's largest shale reserves they are actively developing in Tarmin and Sichuan), renewables and energy storage (Besides the well known Solar and Wind build out, China also has 60GWs of pumped hydro storage in construction, leads in Global Green Hydrogen production, and has an enormous battery industry with millions of cars that will be retired in a decade providing enormous amounts of low cost storage), domestic coal, and in Northern Cities which use NG for domestic heating heat pumps and solar water heaters (which China leads the world in production and application), alongside demand drop from the long term and potentially sharp decline of cement and steel production (steel being largely produced in the North East were the current major domestic production in and POS1 enters the country). Or maybe China won't. It's unclear. But that lack of clarity makes China less willing to commit to a massive upfront investment. And investment which would be seen as throwing a lifeline to a Russian economy struggling under Oil and Gas sanctions in Europe, and in particular would connect the very gas fields European actions have taken offline to Chinese demand and bring them back into production. This might matter less now than a year ago, because of existing tariffs and the emerging trade war, or it may matter more. But worse yet, from the Chinese perspective, a China-Europe connection would allow Russia to shop between markets for a higher price, and potentially even sell gas from Fields developed specifically for POS1 in Europe, increasing the prices China currently pays. LNG is advantageous for China because it's such an open market. Sanctions from the US? Go the Australia and Canada? More sanctions? Russia and Qatar. The price of LNG has stayed very low, killing investment after 2015, until a price spike caused by Europe in 2022, and even now prices have stabilized near old lows. LNG delivers to the actual population centers, particularly in South East China, that are thousands of Km from Gas fields. In part it's been used to drive NG investment locally so that extending pipelines makes sense and South China Sea oil Associated gas can be economically used, in part it's been part of China's efforts to clean up their air quality in cities and displace Coal, in part it ensures competition in pipeline prices and enerfy security (a lesson learned by Europe), and in part LNG is an alternative fuel for vehicles that China has significant investment in. I mean, China literally created the industry out of nothing. China doesn't want to be Europe on 10 years, relying on the Russians for Gas only to see it used against them. Lowest price doesn't mean lowest cost. As for your last bit of moral mombo jumbo, I don't make the rules, the US government does, and the rules say the US gets to win. What it's done wrong is start to win. But it's a pretty ironic protestation you have "we all have a right to economic growth, why should China be punished for funding a country actively destroying another countries infrastructure and economic base". I mean, be serious.
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  1483.  @johnnykey00     A mix of Chinese statements, EIA reports, and analysist. China will replace gas with Domestic gas (China has the world's largest shale reserves they are actively developing in Tarmin and Sichuan), renewables and energy storage (Besides the well known Solar and Wind build out, China also has 60GWs of pumped hydro storage in construction, leads in Global Green Hydrogen production, and has an enormous battery industry with millions of cars that will be retired in a decade providing enormous amounts of low cost storage), domestic coal, and in Northern Cities which use NG for domestic heating heat pumps and solar water heaters (which China leads the world in production and application), alongside demand drop from the long term and potentially sharp decline of cement and steel production (steel being largely produced in the North East were the current major domestic production in and POS1 enters the country). Or maybe China won't. It's unclear. But that lack of clarity makes China less willing to commit to a massive upfront investment. And investment which would be seen as throwing a lifeline to a Russian economy struggling under Oil and Gas sanctions in Europe, and in particular would connect the very gas fields European actions have taken offline to Chinese demand and bring them back into production. This might matter less now than a year ago, because of existing tariffs and the emerging trade war, or it may matter more. But worse yet, from the Chinese perspective, a China-Europe connection would allow Russia to shop between markets for a higher price, and potentially even sell gas from Fields developed specifically for POS1 in Europe, increasing the prices China currently pays. LNG is advantageous for China because it's such an open market. Sanctions from the US? Go the Australia and Canada? More sanctions? Russia and Qatar. The price of LNG has stayed very low, killing investment after 2015, until a price spike caused by Europe in 2022, and even now prices have stabilized near old lows. LNG delivers to the actual population centers, particularly in South East China, that are thousands of Km from Gas fields. In part it's been used to drive NG investment locally so that extending pipelines makes sense and South China Sea oil Associated gas can be economically used, in part it's been part of China's efforts to clean up their air quality in cities and displace Coal, in part it ensures competition in pipeline prices and enerfy security (a lesson learned by Europe), and in part LNG is an alternative fuel for vehicles that China has significant investment in. I mean, China literally created the industry out of nothing. China doesn't want to be Europe on 10 years, relying on the Russians for Gas only to see it used against them. Lowest price doesn't mean lowest cost. As for your last bit of moral mombo jumbo, I don't make the rules, the US government does, and the rules say the US gets to win. What it's done wrong is start to win. But it's a pretty ironic protestation you have "we all have a right to economic growth, why should China be punished for funding a country actively destroying another countries infrastructure and economic base". I mean, be serious.
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  1484. @johnnykey00    A mix of Chinese statements, EIA reports, and analysist. China will replace gas with Domestic gas (China has the world's largest shale reserves they are actively developing in Tarmin and Sichuan), renewables and energy storage (Besides the well known Solar and Wind build out, China also has 60GWs of pumped hydro storage in construction, leads in Global Green Hydrogen production, and has an enormous battery industry with millions of cars that will be retired in a decade providing enormous amounts of low cost storage), domestic coal, and in Northern Cities which use NG for domestic heating heat pumps and solar water heaters (which China leads the world in production and application), alongside demand drop from the long term and potentially sharp decline of cement and steel production (steel being largely produced in the North East were the current major domestic production in and POS1 enters the country). Or maybe China won't. It's unclear. But that lack of clarity makes China less willing to commit to a massive upfront investment. And investment which would be seen as throwing a lifeline to a Russian economy struggling under Oil and Gas sanctions in Europe, and in particular would connect the very gas fields European actions have taken offline to Chinese demand and bring them back into production. This might matter less now than a year ago, because of existing tariffs and the emerging trade war, or it may matter more. But worse yet, from the Chinese perspective, a China-Europe connection would allow Russia to shop between markets for a higher price, and potentially even sell gas from Fields developed specifically for POS1 in Europe, increasing the prices China currently pays. LNG is advantageous for China because it's such an open market. Sanctions from the US? Go the Australia and Canada? More sanctions? Russia and Qatar. The price of LNG has stayed very low, killing investment after 2015, until a price spike caused by Europe in 2022, and even now prices have stabilized near old lows. LNG delivers to the actual population centers, particularly in South East China, that are thousands of Km from Gas fields. In part it's been used to drive NG investment locally so that extending pipelines makes sense and South China Sea oil Associated gas can be economically used, in part it's been part of China's efforts to clean up their air quality in cities and displace Coal, in part it ensures competition in pipeline prices and enerfy security (a lesson learned by Europe), and in part LNG is an alternative fuel for vehicles that China has significant investment in. I mean, China literally created the industry out of nothing. China doesn't want to be Europe on 10 years, relying on the Russians for Gas only to see it used against them. Lowest price doesn't mean lowest cost. Edit: importing LNG from the US and western countries also gives China some leverage, particularly in red states. As for your last bit of moral mombo jumbo, I don't make the rules, the US government does, and the rules say the US gets to win. What it's done wrong is start to win. But it's a pretty ironic protestation you have "we all have a right to economic growth, why should China be punished for funding a country actively destroying another countries infrastructure and economic base". I mean, be serious.
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  1485.  @johnnykey00   @johnnykey00    A mix of Chinese statements, EIA reports, and analysist. China will replace gas with Domestic gas (China has the world's largest shale reserves they are actively developing in Tarmin and Sichuan), renewables and energy storage (Besides the well known Solar and Wind build out, China also has 60GWs of pumped hydro storage in construction, leads in Global Green Hydrogen production, and has an enormous battery industry with millions of cars that will be retired in a decade providing enormous amounts of low cost storage), domestic coal, and in Northern Cities which use NG for domestic heating heat pumps and solar water heaters (which China leads the world in production and application), alongside demand drop from the long term and potentially sharp decline of cement and steel production (steel being largely produced in the North East were the current major domestic production in and POS1 enters the country). Or maybe China won't. It's unclear. But that lack of clarity makes China less willing to commit to a massive upfront investment. And investment which would be seen as throwing a lifeline to a Russian economy struggling under Oil and Gas sanctions in Europe, and in particular would connect the very gas fields European actions have taken offline to Chinese demand and bring them back into production. This might matter less now than a year ago, because of existing tariffs and the emerging trade war, or it may matter more. But worse yet, from the Chinese perspective, a China-Europe connection would allow Russia to shop between markets for a higher price, and potentially even sell gas from Fields developed specifically for POS1 in Europe, increasing the prices China currently pays. LNG is advantageous for China because it's such an open market. Sanctions from the US? Go the Australia and Canada? More sanctions? Russia and Qatar. The price of LNG has stayed very low, killing investment after 2015, until a price spike caused by Europe in 2022, and even now prices have stabilized near old lows. LNG delivers to the actual population centers, particularly in South East China, that are thousands of Km from Gas fields. In part it's been used to drive NG investment locally so that extending pipelines makes sense and South China Sea oil Associated gas can be economically used, in part it's been part of China's efforts to clean up their air quality in cities and displace Coal, in part it ensures competition in pipeline prices and enerfy security (a lesson learned by Europe), and in part LNG is an alternative fuel for vehicles that China has significant investment in. I mean, China literally created the industry out of nothing. China doesn't want to be Europe on 10 years, relying on the Russians for Gas only to see it used against them. Lowest price doesn't mean lowest cost. As for your last bit of moral mombo jumbo, I don't make the rules, the US government does, and the rules say the US gets to win. What it's done wrong is start to win. But it's a pretty ironic protestation you have "we all have a right to economic growth, why should China be punished for funding a country actively destroying another countries infrastructure and economic base". I mean, be serious.
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  1511.  @ChrisR-xs9wp  they put billions in to Keystone XL. I'm not asking them to share royalties. That's like suggesting Norway is giving away it's Sovereign wealth fund. I'm saying that they should invest those nationally to increase overall Canadian economic activity, reduce Dutch disease, and create stronger economic ties. They keep all the revenue generated. Frankly, the 600k bill/d Markham keeps bringing up doesn't exist. It's nonsense to think they are going to let us use their pipelines to export. They are actively trying to push us out of the market. A year ago I would have agreed but 6 months ago this kind of thinking will destroy us. I'm all for the 300k a day in Transmountain we should be increasing that this very moment, but we need alternative pathways for millions of barrels. In the short term we need to be able to replace marathon's 300k a day and the 600k a day going through Keystone. And within 2 years we will have another million blls a day gone after they reverse Keystone and start sending barges up the Mississippi. And if we try to hold back oil, or curtail to support prices, they will close down Line 5, another 400k a day gone, and completely cut Ontario off from not just Alberta's oil, which will have no alternative market, but all oil by pipeline until we can reverse Line 9, leaving Southern Ontario depending on Rail deliveries. TransCanada should have been treated as a matter of National security and a nation building project, not an economic one. I agree Alberta should have put more effort into CanaPUX and negotiating pipelines by offering capital investment instead of just expecting them built. But we're here now..
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  1549.  @terjeoseberg990  I'm not celebrating Russian leadership lol. I'm just saying there wasn't 1 point to invading Kursk. And right now, the key point is holding land to improve the situation if Trump aims to force a negotiation by leveraging US aid. But to 38k casualties being a "huge success", why? Why are casualties a success? Ukraine could carpet bomb Minsk, and create thousand of casualties, but it wouldn't be a success. You need to go beyond casualties to the strategic reasoning. Drawing troops off the Eastern front was the apparent goal. This largely didn't materialize. Now, the large losses do wear down Russian material and manpower from recruiting. But, Russia has been chiefly using wheeled BTRs in Kursk, not the BMPs it uses for the eastern front. And while Russia is suffering recruitment issues, the extent to which it doesn't need Russian Volunteers in Kursk limits the success of hindering Russia in the east, since NKs or Conscripts or literal Police officers were never going to be used there. Russia did pull troops out of the south, which was some advantage to Ukraine. Again I'm not suggesting this has been a failure, but it was by no means the success hoped for. If course no one in government went out and said "the goal of this operation is to make it so we can pretend we want to negotiate and make Russia look like the party unwilling to accept a ceasefire". The term is strategic ambiguity. They can't admit the goal is to draw out the war when Trump is only offering to support them with the aim of ending the war as soon as possible. I don't agree that Ukraine doesn't need the US. We have seen the results of US paralysis and the strategically important losses in manpower and defensive positions. But moreover, US lack of support now would mean an end to long range missile strikes. It might mean a lifting of sanctions to empower Russia. And it might even mean that European Countries, faced with Tariffs and themselves strategically dependent on the US who is clearly aiming to renegotiate NATO, may have to lift some sanctions or cut back aid. US impartiality is not guaranteed, Trump has spoken negatively of Ukraine, and if he interprets Russia as a willing negotiator and Ukraine as pushing for a long war, that would be disastrous. On the other hand, if Ukraine says "we'd love to negotiate" knowing that Russia will absolutely refuse as long as they hold Russian Territory, Trump may frame Russia as the aggressor extending the war (which I don't dispute in reality it is), and increase aid. long range missile. F15s. Abrams. Bradleys. The US could provide hundreds more and utterly turn the tide. It could even pressure South Korea to provide aid directly, millions of shells and tanks and artillery. There is no reason to ignore the reality of the US's leverage. Ukraine is obviously at the greater advantage when the US is supporting them..
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  1563.  @terjeoseberg990  I don't think we expected them to recruit NK soldiers, and NK apparently hasn't been comfortable putting people in Internationally recognized Ukraine. I really don't think we expected them to use Federal police or intelligence officers on the front line in the east, but we have seen it in Kursk. And we still aren't seeing young conscripts in internationally recognized Ukraine, but they are in Kursk. These uses do not impact Russian recruitment. The casualties can be replaced with more North Koreans and Forced Conscripts. 38k casualties on the Eastern Front would have a significantly greater impact on recruiting than in Kursk, because many of the people in Kursk don't have to be convinced to volunteer. It is volunteer soldiers Russia is struggling to recruit, and it is volunteer soldiers whose salaries and bonuses are bankrupting Russia. Again, there are volunteers in Kursk. Some new recruits, some from the Southern front, and some from the east. I'm not implying failure. I'm contextualizing the extent of success. Maybe the confusion is the last point. I certainly don't think the goal is to hold Kursk to trade it for a few square Km of land. I'm saying Ukraine wants to hold it because Putin's political power would be undermined by any peace deal that lost any Russian Territory. And so holding the land keeps Russia away from the negotiating table, which will make Trump angry that Putin won't agree to the peace negotiations Trump has said would be easy, and lead to Trump trying to punish Russia by supporting Ukraine further, maybe more than Biden has..
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  1564. @terjeoseberg990  I don't think we expected them to recruit NK soldiers, and NK apparently hasn't been comfortable putting people in Internationally recognized Ukraine. I really don't think we expected them to use Federal police or intelligence officers on the front line in the east, but we have seen it in Kursk. And we still aren't seeing young conscripts in internationally recognized Ukraine, but they are in Kursk. These uses do not impact Russian recruitment. The casualties can be replaced with more North Koreans and Forced Conscripts. 38k casualties on the Eastern Front would have a significantly greater impact on recruiting than in Kursk, because many of the people in Kursk don't have to be convinced to volunteer. It is volunteer soldiers Russia is struggling to recruit, and it is volunteer soldiers whose salaries and bonuses are bankrupting Russia. Again, there are volunteers in Kursk. Some new recruits, some from the Southern front, and some from the east. I'm not implying failure. I'm contextualizing the extent of success. Maybe the confusion is the last point. I certainly don't think the goal is to hold Kursk to trade it for a few square Km of land. I'm saying Ukraine wants to hold it because Putin's political power would be undermined by any peace deal that lost any Russian Territory. And so holding the land keeps Russia away from the negotiating table, which will make Trump angry that Putin won't agree to the peace negotiations Trump has said would be easy, and lead to Trump trying to punish Russia by supporting Ukraine further, maybe more than Biden has..
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  1565.  @terjeoseberg990    alright, well, if we want to go into the nitty gritty the number you are using is from Zalenski saying "During the kurst operation, the enemy has already lost 38,000 of their soldiers in this direction alone, with nearly 15,000 of these loses being irreversible".  Now, I think it would be reasonable to say Ukraine probably over states the numbers a bit just like Russia or anyone at war does, but taking those values as true, it's only 15k who have been killed or severely wounded. 23k were "casualties" only in the sense they were temporarily wounded, and will be returned to the fight at some point.  One of those two numbers also includes the 860 POWs Ukraine has stated as taking. Which is strategically valuable, since most are probably limited use conscripts and are traded for more experienced Ukrainian prisoners. But either they can be returned to the fight if they are traded, and in any event largely aren't going to represent Volunteers.  And we know at the start of the operation the border was manned mainly with Conscripts. And the FSB was purported conscripting locals to rapidly add to the manpower as an initial response. The area South of the Sjem, which had 2-3k soldiers, would have been mainly Conscripts until Russia broke through, and they were fighting on both the east area of invasion and west border with Ukraine. The story of Conscript Artem Antonov was well publicized after he was shot in the head by his commander for refusing to fight in Kursk. And during the invasion reports were that Akhmet "special forces" were shooting Conscripts who tried to run. However, Russia is trying very hard to hide conscript deaths, so it is very difficult to say how extensive this is.  And, imo, in all likelihood part of why it was referred to as an "anti terrorist operation" by Russia, alongside publicity, was to use police and intelligence officers for manpower. Reports say FSB lost around 100 of their "alpha" and "vympel" SWAT type officers. Obviously a small amount of the 15k, and surely a sign of Russia's very high competence, but also not effecting recruitment.  And in the same interview as mentioned above, it's said NK has 3k casualties. Now I don't know how that breaks down between killed, permanently wounded, and temporary, but from what I have seen/heard, I'd expect it to screw towards the killed end. And, I expect as time goes on, we will see an increase in North Koreans disproportionately.  Now again, obviously there is success here. And all the above can be listed as success, I would simply not consider it as much so as Contract Russian soldiers. And conscript losses also constitute a Propaganda win by hurting Russian support. You may remember at the start of the Kursk operation a HIMARs strike that killed hundreds of Russians coming to stabilize the situation, and they were from the 44th army Corp, a volunteer unit. Mainly because the Russians drive in a convoy like it was February 2022. A very significant loss, if somewhat isolated and early, not directly from the Eastern front, but as you say, they won't be getting there either.  And the 810th and 155th Naval brigades, which have been core parts of the Russian operation to retake Kursk, have been battered. The 155th you may recognize as the unit that has been completely rebuilt several to a dozen times in Vuhledar - although basically the moment the left for Kursk, the Russians captured Vuhledar, so may have been better for Ukraine if they hadn't been repositioned (a joke). And the 810th, (which was heavily involved in defending against both Ukraine's 2022 Kherson, reportedly loosing 85% of strength, and 2023, also taking ruinous casualties, counter offensives), ran into a wall of bullets in November that lost like 800 men in an operation, literally 300-500 in a few hours on the 14th. And also the command post hit on Christmas was the 810th, which is a big deal when you consider the very small percentage of the unit that had survived since the start of the war is likely the kind of people that are in a command post.  I think it's reasonable to expect around 7k Russian volunteers have been removed from the war in Kursk, maybe as high as 11k. But, I have to point out that Ukraine is using very skilled forces like the 83rd. And had they been placed on the Eastern front, I imagine they would have similar numbers. And for that reason, I don't think the long term occupation of Kursk, or in particular the current offensive, is about maximizing casualties (although the direction of attack I do believe is focused on Russian, not Korean, units). I think the same kind of ground for time campaign we see in the east may achieve such a goal better. I believe the reason for the holding and expansion of Kurst holdings is to keep Russia from negotiating.
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  1609.  @raphaellagdameo7811  I definitely agree with the appeal. But what does it matter if a Toronto to Montreal trip is cut to 3 hours? It's certainly much more convenient but what economic activity does that spur? And what activity does it spur if we assume we're in an economy that's seeing a 10% drop of GDP? I am arguing this is an either or scenario. Again, in the past I wouldn't be. But this isn't Covid or the great recession. The Bank of Canada isn't going to be able to keep rates low without mass sell offs of our US Treasury reserves and that's a very finite amount. Without exports to the US, there is going to be substantially less demand for Canadian dollars internationally, and that means our dollar is going to struggle to purchase the imported consumer goods we rely on, leading to inflation, and the capital equipment we need to build these infrastructure projects. This is very much a shoe string budget we will be on in a way that hasn't traditionally been true. If you follow MMT, then when the discussion is that it's not about dollars available to a government it's about resources available, we are not going to have resources available if we don't have export revenue. We don't need to spend money to keep people employed. We need to spend money that gets us exports. The people who are against pipelines, we can't afford to give them air time. We're talking about Alberta collapsing into a permanent depression. Ontario will be losing its manufacturing sector. And quite frankly I do not have a lot of faith the millions of immigrants in that corridor will be choosing to stick around, or the Ontario's housing sector, or housing and oil sands dependent banking sector, will manage to stay afloat. Very soon Quebec, along with BC, may be two of the few provinces of supplying transfer payments, and it's not because their economy will be getting stronger. We failed to develop our economy when it was possible to build both and when we did have demand for foreign investment. And I don't want to get to the point our competitive advantage is low wages. We simply don't have the fiscal space to borrow and spend if these tariffs happen, and I believe they will, because I think the goal of this is to deindustrialize Ontario and bring that industry to the rust belt it is already integrated into, and in doing so crash the CAD to access our resources cheap. If you want to argue for better rail in general, for more freight capacity east-west or better regional rail to Oshawa or Hamilton or even Niagara, areas people do commute and don't require 10s of billions of dollars for a single route, I think it could be very helpful in lowering cost of living. But right now I'd rather see a light rail/street car from Niagara on the lakes vineyards through Niagara falls to the border at Buffalo that can drive some tourism and help people in Niagara commute than a speed line between two cities that have very little economic integration just because they're big..
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  1611.  @raphaellagdameo7811  efficiency of what? Their trip? How does that make Canada's GDP grow? Really that means about a sixth of the population of the corridor we're talking about made a single there and return trip. If we assume that's all between Montreal and Toronto, we're saying save an average of 6 hours a year for 12% of the population between the two. Europe and Asia have far more cities densely packed, and more importantly, aren't car dependent in their building. You have to start by making cities and neighborhoods survivable without a car for these kinds of benefits. No one decides against buying a car because they can make that one trip a year to Montreal in only 3 hours, they decide not to buy a car because they can get to work conveniently without one. I agree with the point on freight. Although, I would much rather see new freight from North Bay to Ottawa so that we can free up the middle corridor in Toronto and reroute trains through Northern Ontario. But again, a high speed rail that skips Ottawa might make sense if the goal is to free up freight. Frankly, I think dedicated passenger rail would be more cost effective and provide most of the benefits, but if you're building splurge a little I guess. But if you include Ottawa that isn't what it's about at all and you're spending 10 times more on a vanity projects. Again, just because it's well studied, doesn't mean it will help. We need to be generating export revenue. Even if a high-speed rail could be bought at a good price, if it isn't getting us foreign reserves it isn't helping. Even if we bought every part of it domestically, those domestic workers turn around and are buying imported consumer goods, because we don't make consumer goods, and that money is flowing out and having to be bought back by the BoC, and we can't do that for long before rates have to go through the roof or the CAD collapses against international currencies.
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  1612. @raphaellagdameo7811  okay. Again, I can agree with the value of Toronto to Montreal. I think most would be realized with simple passenger dedicated rail, but I'm okay with a long term investment. It frees up freight and might make some trips more cost effective. This project is not Montreal to Toronto. It's Montreal to Ottawa to Toronto. Which means that instead of flat farmland and already existing right of way, you're cutting through eastern woodlands, building over the hard rock and bogs of Canadian Shield, and through the Algonquin highlands. For hundreds of Km. Including Ottawa makes the entire project not worth the return. We have a highway for those buses. We have airports for those planes. We aren't talking about entirely new infrastructure. In fact we will probably see those airports struggling when Canadians can't afford to travel and there is no US business to fly and attend to. There is an enormous marginal cost to building a high-speed rail over what exists. What's the goal, just to replace the buses and plains? What's the cost per ticket. Is it really cheaper than the bus, or are those riders going to keep taking the bus because it's what they can afford, today, when the economy is relatively good. Because I'll be shocked if it's cheaper than the current train. And are the execs on those flights going to be flying, or are their companies going to make them do more online calls to save money, when the economy is in recession. Time is money when you're employed. We are facing a mass unemployment crisis. A crisis unlike Covid or 2008, because our central bank will be unable to keep rates low and our government unable to borrow large amounts. And we are talking about maybe an hour a person per year in the region? The GTA won't have a GDP of $450 billion a year if these tariffs are real. When Hamilton and Oshawa and Windsor lose industry, when immigrants decide they don't want to live in a country they came to for economic opportunity that now is facing a decade of recession, that won't be the case. What are people in the GTA going to do with quicker access to Montreal that makes money, and vice versa. From Paris or London I can go to a dozen other cities. You're naming hubs in a network. Our cities are islands; especially if you got there on a train. And they are cities that have public transit outside the downtown. Montreal and Toronto are maybe the best in Canada, but you can't go to the suburbs. I'd much rather see this money spent on building new LRT, or just bus lanes and stop lights timed to bus routes. There is far more time we could be saving for people with the very limited fiscal space we have being put into public transit compared to an HSR. Right now a quarter of the country's exports, which fund a quarter of the country's imports, are oil sands. When the price of that collapses, our dollar can't buy things. I'm not even saying to expand the oil sands. I think we'll probably lose the oil sands mines, a million barrels a day, which you might think is a good thing until you realize it means the tailings ponds along the Athabasca will be abandoned. I'm simply saying we need to prioritize getting what we can out of the country, or else decade and hundreds of billions of investment into the Canadian economy are written off. While Ontario's Manufacturering is written off. We won't be able to afford importing those $200 billion in service if we can't get our exports to market, and you have not given any explanation to how this rail line would internalize those services. And tar is an acidic oxidized carbon residue, you are referring to bitumen..
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  1632.  @DBLt4p  I certainly agree that any blanket statement is never entirely true. And i would agree tariffs have a purpose, but I would suggest they are more valuable in a putative role than as economic policy. A tariff is equivalent to putting international sanctions on you're own country, they protect local industry by eliminating competition and lead to long term stagnation, and they invite foreign countries to put up tariffs in response. The Smoot Hawley tariffs were a key factor in causing both the great depression and the Pacific theater of WW2. Good industrial policy is based on building local value chains that create expertise and provide competitive advantage internationally. Look at Japan or Germany, you want your cars to win in other markets, not be protected in your own. Part of that is building infrastructure in a deliberate manner, and part is making policy that encourages industry to believe investment will be profitable. That's not to say all capital subsidies are best practices. You don't generally want to be picking particular projects, and things like corporate tax deductions don't generally align with real investment. Likewise blanket, fixed dollar tariffs are not as useful as percentage based tariffs on select goods with alternative suppliers and often which are important exports to the targetted country. Overall I would stand by the statement capital subsidies are better economic policy than tariffs, and do a better job at pulling international best practices and technology rather than encouraging the continuous use of older strategys and equipment that can't survive in global competition.
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  1676. ​​ @ponzi-d4k If this were a serious proposal from, say France or California, i wouldn't fight it. My concern is avoiding mass bankruptcy, if we can do that for doing nothing, I'm not going to fight it! Logistically, I don't know how it could be done. How Suncor could say "We produced 700k bbl/d, but we didn't produce 1.5M". Particularly since it will be produced by an OPEC member as a result. As for the price war, if the Saudis engage in price war, it will be against EVs, not us, imo. And they aren't currently doing that, so unless we got to that point of OPEC collapse, I don't know how we could say we are reducing supply. Also, I do honestly believe in the medium and long term Oilsands is the more carbon conscious supplier. Because there is no gasoline yeild in a barrel of bitumen, we can upgrade to almost entirely deisel or jet fuel. Other oil suppliers, even heavy producers, can't do that. And as a result, they are going to produce gasoline by requirement. Some of that can be cracked for petrochemicals, but a lot of it will be dumped cheap as refiners chase the high margins on jet fuel, and that will fight against EV uptake. So I do believe there are negatives to climate transition in us taking that off the market because we can serve exclusively the hard to abate uses and bring the cost of those RPPs down to push our conventional refiners. This is the same reason I believe we can maintain market share in the declining market. The market might want some light oil for petrochemical feed stock - but cracking gasoline will probably drive that out. And medium crudes will be less desirable as well as EVs drive out that gasoline demand and it shifts from the main product to a near waste product..
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  1677. ​​ @ponzi-d4k  .If this were a serious proposal from, say France or California, i wouldn't fight it. My concern is avoiding mass bankruptcy, if we can do that for doing nothing, I'm not going to fight it! Logistically, I don't know how it could be done. How Suncor could say "We produced 700k bbl/d, but we didn't produce 1.5M". Particularly since it will be produced by an OPEC member as a result. As for the price war, if the Saudis engage in price war, it will be against EVs, not us, imo. And they aren't currently doing that, so unless we got to that point of OPEC collapse, I don't know how we could say we are reducing supply. Also, I do honestly believe in the medium and long term Oilsands is the more carbon conscious supplier. Because there is no gasoline yeild in a barrel of bitumen, we can upgrade to almost entirely deisel or jet fuel. Other oil suppliers, even heavy producers, can't do that. And as a result, they are going to produce gasoline by requirement. Some of that can be cracked for petrochemicals, but a lot of it will be dumped cheap as refiners chase the high margins on jet fuel, and that will fight against EV uptake. So I do believe there are negatives to climate transition in us taking that off the market because we can serve exclusively the hard to abate uses and bring the cost of those RPPs down to push our conventional refiners. This is the same reason I believe we can maintain market share in the declining market. The market might want some light oil for petrochemical feed stock - but cracking gasoline will probably drive that out. And medium crudes will be less desirable as well as EVs drive out that gasoline demand and it shifts from the main product to a near waste product.
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  1678. ​@ponzi-d4k If this were a serious proposal from, say France or California, i wouldn't fight it. My concern is avoiding mass bankruptcy, if we can do that for doing nothing, I'm not going to fight it! Logistically, I don't know how it could be done. How Suncor could say "We produced 700k bbl/d, but we didn't produce 1.5M". Particularly since it will be produced by an OPEC member as a result. As for the price war, if the Saudis engage in price war, it will be against EVs, not us, imo. And they aren't currently doing that, so unless we got to that point of OPEC collapse, I don't know how we could say we are reducing supply. Also, I do honestly believe in the medium and long term Oilsands is the more carbon conscious supplier. Because there is no gasoline yeild in a barrel of bitumen, we can upgrade to almost entirely deisel or jet fuel. Other oil suppliers, even heavy producers, can't do that. And as a result, they are going to produce gasoline by requirement. Some of that can be cracked for petrochemicals, but a lot of it will be dumped cheap as refiners chase the high margins on jet fuel, and that will fight against EV uptake. So I do believe there are negatives to climate transition in us taking that off the market because we can serve exclusively the hard to abate uses and bring the cost of those RPPs down to push our conventional refiners. This is the same reason I believe we can maintain market share in the declining market. The market might want some light oil for petrochemical feed stock - but cracking gasoline will probably drive that out. And medium crudes will be less desirable as well as EVs drive out that gasoline demand and it shifts from the main product to a near waste product..
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  1764. @ronanKGelhaus then vote for government with good spending platforms. But I would say that's the opposite of true. Governments will happily tax you into the ground, investors won't happily give their money to a government that won't repay it. Countries see debt purchases dry up all the time. No businessman or CEO would ever suggest a debt limit for a company, leveraging debt is just good economics, and that's true in government as well. Debt is cheap and capital is expensive, and the same is true for taxes. -taxes have collections costs at something like 3% of revenue -taxes distort the economy -taxes force costs on businesses for accounting -debt is always taking money from the stupidest person with the least clue of how to invest it, which is why they let someone else do it for a lower rate of return -debt is always a voluntary exchange I'd agree to a debt to GDP or debt to Government revenue cap. But as long as government policy is accommodating economic growth and growth in government revenues, I'm happy to see borrowing increase to drive that growth. As for a land value tax, I'll give you that rich people will game the system, but I hardly think that is unique. It's not like any other tax isn't abused in a way that the rich end up with bigger houses. But to the smaller houses part, that's not true. Let me ask, if you were going to buy a lot for 1 million dollars, but then I told you you would have to pay 1000 dollars a month for owning it, would you still pay 1 million? Of course not, you would pay less so that you found an equilibrium price where you end up paying the same amount over time. And if you're paying the same amount overall, it doesn't change how you were going to use that land. That's the whole point and the reason everyone from Hayek to Smith to Friedman agreed it was the best for of government revenue, it doesn't affect what anyone actually does, it just lowers the upfront cost of land in exchange for higher ongoing costs. It also makes it impossible for land Lords to stay rich just owning land, because they have that ongoing payment to make. It does the opposite of putting all the land into the hands of the rich, which you may notice, is happening quite readily already without an LVT.
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  1776. To agree with the expert, I don't believe the Consumer Carbon tax was very well done. And having lived in Ottawa when it was being being implemented, and knowing liberal staffers at the time, the Liberals didn't think so either. Remember, the Carbon tax as most of us became accused to it was meant to be punitive, it was a back stop. The system was meant to be designed by the provinces, and implemented according to local best practice. The Liberals came into power when 90% of the population already had a Carbon tax, and the goal was really to bring the more rural provinces kicking and screaming on board, and ensure the Price was legistlated at two levels so there would be regulatory stability. The Liberals didn't expect Alberta, and Particularly Ontario, to remove thier own carbon price as they implemented federally, and then turn around and launch a lawsuit against it. The goal was never to apply the Carbon backstop. But because of that push back, because the opposite of regulatory clarity came to be the status quo with consecutive elections campaigned on removing the carbon price, I would argue the consumer carbon tax quickly became bad policy amd should have been removed much earler, as it was for home heating in the maritimes. Particularly after the Russian - Ukrainian oil price shock. It created so much political back lash that all climate policy was being called into question, and Industry, the largest emitter, no longer had long term certainty that investments made around the carbon price would pay off. Which means the main goal of the carbon price, industrial pricing, was being negatively impacted by the consumer price. Even consumers, deciding on new vehicles or home heating, had to consider whether or not the next election would make thier choice a mistake, and so it didn't have the impact at that level it was meant to. Edit: this may be a mild blind spot for you, being in a province that did it right, and didn't flop flop, and still maintans the price.
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  1844.  @geofflepper3207  I see when I click your avatar (you replied in another video and I thought I recognized the name, is it actually your name or meant to look like deaf leopard? I think it's pretty solid if the later lol), but you replied to me about the experts saying I'm wrong and that got deleted. But I don't believe they do say that. Ultimately, every barrel of Canadian Western Select is priced in Hardisty outside Edmonton. Regardless of where it ultimately ends up, pipelines may have differing fees, but all oil is sold at the same price. We have some 600k a day flowing down Keystone to the US's Gulf Coast refineries. Which means every barrel in Hardisty needs to be competitive with the price those refineries buy at. The price of CWS+the tariff + pipeline fees (which are a small component, but Keystone is already the more expensive) has to equal the global price, or else the Gulf refineries will switch. Which means every barrel of CWS, including those going to the Midwest, has to subtract the cost of the tariff from their current price. Any tariff will show up as a discount on our oil. If the Gulf refineries stop buying, then we have an immediate oversupply, which will force prices down as producers have no where to store significant quantities and will lose more money stopping production al together where that is even possible. Also, Marathon is already saying it can switch over it's refineries to run on Bakken. That's another 300k a day. It isn't actually hard for the US refiners to move away from Canadian Crude, it just means they lose a bunch of investment. But within 2 years Keystone could be reversed, and add barges on the Mississippi, you can bring another million barrels a day north from the Gulf, and push out another million barrels a day from the Midwest. And frankly, especially if we try to retaliate and reduce supply like we did in 2018 to support prices, I think they will cut Line 5, which Michigan is already trying to do, under EPA order. That's another 300k barrels a day, and half of Ontario's pipeline supply gone. I'm not even mentioning the Washington refineries or California refineries currently taking our product because in theory we can ship anything that reaches the Pacific by sea, but in reality that is a very congested waterway and adding so many super tankers will be difficult, particularly initially because they generally aren't floating around the Pacific coast and will take weeks to arrive after needing an economic incentive to leave their normal clients..
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  1901.  @yodieyuh  Ya I would agree that people are looking at what are really dual problems of poor Russian logistics and political motivations to avoid changing the day to day life of the Average Russian, coupled with systemic corruption (ongoing) before the the war leading to incredibly poor ready states and logistics. And at earlier stages in the war, an incredible level of incompetence by Officers. However, learning from Wagner, while death tolls are higher, Russia has become a far more effective advancing corps. However, the equipment loss, particularly in terms of armoured vehicles, and industrial capital loss from sanctions, high output of weapons wear and tear, and strategic strikes, are rather damming for Russia's ability to maintain a campaign, particularly if aggressive, against a NATO coalition, particularly as Europe and the US have taken the clue to increase their own shell production. And perhaps more significantly, Ukrainian equipment is largely outdated or unwanted NATO material. Take all the M113s and Humvees. That's all stuff the US government wanted to write off and while they have some usage, they were never designed for this form of conflict. The MRAPs have been more of a success, but NATO drastically over built these and was planning of retiring enormous amounts, and still hold enormous amounts, and they have proven somewhat effective for mine fields, even though they are nearly uselessly armoured. Given hundreds of Abrams and Thousands of Bradleys, along with all the most recent generation tanks, I think the Russian military would be much harder pressed to hold a line. And more importantly, I don't believe the Russians can see an F22 or F35, and certainly not everywhere and everytime. A strategic air campaign against Russia seems almost unavoidably successful given Ukraine's success with drones. However, Russia has been quick to innovate with and become highly proficient using FPV drone units and advancing infantry movements in ways that no other Military has any reasonable training. Assuming Russian strategic security due to fear of nuclear weapons, and NATO advancement on the ground toward Russia, with Russian internal logistics being much stronger, a much larger conscript force to mount a slow retreat grinding down NATO, and using Ukrainian hardened infantry as Shock troops to maximize casualties against NATO weak positions or maintain critical ground, particularly with continued North Korean Support possibly to the point of opening a new front, would be a horrendous war and Russia would be very difficult to invade. However, I have no idea, outside of Kremlin fears, why NATO would ever try a land invasion of Russia when it is obviously a doomed enterprise. And while limited armoured vehicle access would hinder this defensive action, it would make large scale offensives impossible.
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  1902. @yodieyuh  Ya I would agree that people are looking at what are really dual problems of poor Russian logistics and political motivations to avoid changing the day to day life of the Average Russian, coupled with systemic corruption (ongoing) before the the war leading to incredibly poor ready states and logistics. And at earlier stages in the war, an incredible level of incompetence by Officers. However, learning from Wagner, while death tolls are higher, Russia has become a far more effective advancing corps. However, the equipment loss, particularly in terms of armoured vehicles, and industrial capital loss from sanctions, high output of weapons wear and tear, and strategic strikes, are rather damming for Russia's ability to maintain a campaign, particularly if aggressive, against a NATO coalition, particularly as Europe and the US have taken the clue to increase their own shell production. And perhaps more significantly, Ukrainian equipment is largely outdated or unwanted NATO material. Take all the M113s and Humvees. That's all stuff the US government wanted to write off and while they have some usage, they were never designed for this form of conflict. The MRAPs have been more of a success, but NATO drastically over built these and was planning of retiring enormous amounts, and still hold enormous amounts, and they have proven somewhat effective for mine fields, even though they are nearly uselessly armoured. Given hundreds of Abrams and Thousands of Bradleys, along with all the most recent generation tanks, I think the Russian military would be much harder pressed to hold a line. And more importantly, I don't believe the Russians can see an F22 or F35, and certainly not everywhere and everytime. A strategic air campaign against Russia seems almost unavoidably successful given Ukraine's success with drones. However, Russia has been quick to innovate with and become highly proficient using FPV drone units and advancing infantry movements in ways that no other Military has any reasonable training. Assuming Russian strategic security due to fear of nuclear weapons, and NATO advancement on the ground toward Russia, with Russian internal logistics being much stronger, a much larger conscript force to mount a slow retreat grinding down NATO, and using Ukrainian hardened infantry as Shock troops to maximize casualties against NATO weak positions or maintain critical ground, particularly with continued North Korean Support possibly to the point of opening a new front, would be a horrendous war and Russia would be very difficult to invade. However, I have no idea, outside of Kremlin fears, why NATO would ever try a land invasion of Russia when it is obviously a doomed enterprise. And while limited armoured vehicle access would hinder this defensive action, it would make large scale offensives impossible.
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  1903. @yodieyuh  Ya I would agree that people are looking at what are really dual problems of poor Russian logistics and political motivations to avoid changing the day to day life of the Average Russian, coupled with systemic corruption (ongoing) before the the war leading to incredibly poor ready states and logistics. And at earlier stages in the war, an incredible level of incompetence by Officers. However, learning from Wagner, while death tolls are higher, Russia has become a far more effective advancing corps. However, the equipment loss, particularly in terms of armoured vehicles, and industrial capital loss from sanctions, high output of weapons wear and tear, and strategic strikes, are rather damming for Russia's ability to maintain a campaign, particularly if aggressive, against a NATO coalition, particularly as Europe and the US have taken the clue to increase their own shell production. And this is combined with the weakened foreign reserve status, although if a freeze was reached where Russia regained its foreign assets, prior to a NATO Russia conflict, that may be less of an issue if Russia internalized it's economy and realigns trade in the interm. And perhaps more significantly, Ukrainian equipment is largely outdated or unwanted NATO material. Take all the M113s and Humvees. That's all stuff the US government wanted to write off and while they have some usage, they were never designed for this form of conflict. The MRAPs have been more of a success, but NATO drastically over built these and was planning of retiring enormous amounts, and still hold enormous amounts, and they have proven somewhat effective for mine fields, even though they are nearly uselessly armoured. Given hundreds of Abrams and Thousands of Bradleys, along with all the most recent generation tanks, I think the Russian military would be much harder pressed to hold a line. And more importantly, I don't believe the Russians can see an F22 or F35, and certainly not everywhere and everytime. A strategic air campaign against Russia seems almost unavoidably successful given Ukraine's success with drones. However, Russia has been quick to innovate with and become highly proficient using FPV drone units and advancing infantry movements in ways that no other Military has any reasonable training. Assuming Russian strategic security due to fear of nuclear weapons, and NATO advancement on the ground toward Russia, with Russian internal logistics being much stronger, a much larger conscript force to mount a slow retreat grinding down NATO, and using Ukrainian hardened infantry as Shock troops to maximize casualties against NATO weak positions or maintain critical ground, particularly with continued North Korean Support possibly to the point of opening a new front, would be a horrendous war and Russia would be very difficult to invade. However, I have no idea, outside of Kremlin fears, why NATO would ever try a land invasion of Russia when it is obviously a doomed enterprise. And while limited armoured vehicle access would hinder this defensive action, it would make large scale offensives impossible.
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  1904. @yodieyuh  Ya I would agree that people are looking at what are really dual problems of poor Russian logistics and political motivations to avoid changing the day to day life of the Average Russian, coupled with systemic corruption (ongoing) before the the war leading to incredibly poor ready states and logistics. And at earlier stages in the war, an incredible level of incompetence by Officers. However, learning from Wagner, while death tolls are higher, Russia has become a far more effective advancing corps.  However, the equipment loss, particularly in terms of armoured vehicles, and industrial capital loss from sanctions, high output of weapons wear and tear, and strategic strikes, are rather damming for Russia's ability to maintain a campaign, particularly if aggressive, against a NATO coalition, particularly as Europe and the US have taken the clue to increase their own shell production. And this is combined with the weakened foreign reserve status, although if a freeze was reached where Russia regained its foreign assets, prior to a NATO Russia conflict, that may be less of an issue if Russia internalized it's economy and realigns trade in the interm.   And perhaps more significantly, Ukrainian equipment is largely outdated or unwanted NATO material. Take all the M113s and Humvees. That's all stuff the US government wanted to write off and while they have some usage, they were never designed for this form of conflict. The MRAPs have been more of a success, but NATO drastically over built these and was planning of retiring enormous amounts, and still hold enormous amounts, and they have proven somewhat effective for mine fields, even though they are nearly uselessly armoured.  Given hundreds of Abrams and Thousands of Bradleys, along with all the most recent generation tanks, I think the Russian military would be much harder pressed to hold a line. And more importantly, I don't believe the Russians can see an F22 or F35, and certainly not everywhere and everytime. A strategic air campaign against Russia seems almost unavoidably successful given Ukraine's success with drones.  However, Russia has been quick to innovate with and become highly proficient using FPV drone units and advancing infantry movements in ways that no other Military has any reasonable training. Assuming Russian strategic security due to fear of nuclear weapons, and NATO advancement on the ground toward Russia, with Russian internal logistics being much stronger, a much larger conscript force to mount a slow retreat grinding down NATO, and using Ukrainian hardened infantry as Shock troops to maximize casualties against NATO weak positions or maintain critical ground, particularly with continued North Korean Support possibly to the point of opening a new front, would be a horrendous war and Russia would be very difficult to invade.  However, I have no idea, outside of Kremlin fears, why NATO would ever try a land invasion of Russia when it is obviously a doomed enterprise. Perhaps if Russia quickly stole the Baltics and NATO was fighting through only Poland? But the very act of stealing the Baltics would make the Baltic sea useless the Russia. And while limited armoured vehicle access would hinder this defensive action, it would make large scale offensives impossible.
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  2010.  @therighteousrighthand  Sweden is a very unusual case, and even they are now partnering internationally for their next generation fighters. And, along with all the big players, we would also be competing against Sweden. In many ways I would prefer to work with Sweden and buy their products than attempt to enter an industry they are struggling in. But I certainly agree with the rest. I just don't agree with your industries. Halifax, Either Vancouver or Prince Rupert, and Southern Ontario should all house massive food processing industries to value add to the enormous amount of food we export raw and in bulk. We need to start allowing mining again. I'm the a cut the red tape type problem solver, and there is lots of other things we should do, but in the case of mining cutting tape is a must do. All the EV manufacturing and batteries were premised on us having the supply chain to keep costs low. Without that, our only advantage was access to the US market. Maybe we can do well in the battery market, and that the main thing for EVs, if we have the supply chains. But I'm not going to support EVs if we aren't creating the inputs. We need to build some pipelines to the West Coast. An east coast pipeline is fine, good for economic security, and we might be able to get Europe to invest in it if they feel the US is unreliable. But we should have massive petrochemical facilities on the West. It's import to understand we don't have all that much oil, we have bitumen it's as different as NG from oil, and the advantage here is that Oil is going to be hurt by EVs kicking out demand for gasoline. Bitumen doesn't have that problem, we can turn it all to diesel, or jet fuel. Or non combustion uses like Asphalt or lubricants or even carbon fiber. And we can have a dominant position in Asia with that. Along with that I'm pretty pro Hydrogen investment. It's unlikely to be relevant for energy, but we can use it in our fertilizer industry, we can use it to upgrade that bitumen to other products, we can use it in industry for heating. And also SMRs, we should be ripping out the boilers in the Oilsands and using nuclear for the steam generation. Likewise for the petrochemical clusters or other industrial clusters or upgraders. In terms of Industry/manufacturing, I'll take whatever the Europeans will invest in us, wether it's artillery or hydrogen/ammonia or an LNG pipeline. If they pay I'm in, the east coast has always been an economic weakness. If I'm using government money, I'll support wind turbines (particularly in NF), mining equipment, and maybe heat pumps and solar cells. Things we need domestically at scale for either cost of living and lowering consumer energy costs or for powering industry, and can find large export markets particularly in Latin America. And I'm okay to throw some money at Additive manufacturing/3D printing random consumer junk but I don't expect it to stick. Last point, agricultural. 3 pillars and 2 add on. 1) we should be trying to pull in Dutch farmers finding land to expensive in the Netherlands to come to southern Ontario and the two food hubs and putting money into a massive greenhouse industry, and building those greenhouses. 2) we should be trying to turn the tundra into a massive grazing land for cattle and some additional animals, domestic muskox for wool and bringing in some Fins for Caribou. 3) we should be subsidizing kelp farming on the east coast to drive employment, increase fish stocks, and use it as biomass for fertilizer, Biogas, and chemicals. And 2 less large scale, creating more markets for berries from the North, and trying to bring in some American farmers from Wisconsin/Minnesota who have been priced out to develop Ontario's sand belt for wheat.
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  2011. @therighteousrighthand  Sweden is a very unusual case, and even they are now partnering internationally for their next generation fighters. And, along with all the big players, we would also be competing against Sweden. In many ways I would prefer to work with Sweden and buy their products than attempt to enter an industry they are struggling in. But I certainly agree with the rest. I just don't agree with your industries. Halifax, Either Vancouver or Prince Rupert, and Southern Ontario should all house massive food processing industries to value add to the enormous amount of food we export raw and in bulk. We need to start allowing mining again. I'm the a cut the red tape type problem solver, and there is lots of other things we should do, but in the case of mining cutting tape is a must do. All the EV manufacturing and batteries were premised on us having the supply chain to keep costs low. Without that, our only advantage was access to the US market. Maybe we can do well in the battery market, and that the main thing for EVs, if we have the supply chains. But I'm not going to support EVs if we aren't creating the inputs. We need to build some pipelines to the West Coast. An east coast pipeline is fine, good for economic security, and we might be able to get Europe to invest in it if they feel the US is unreliable. But we should have massive petrochemical facilities on the West. It's import to understand we don't have all that much oil, we have bitumen it's as different as NG from oil, and the advantage here is that Oil is going to be hurt by EVs kicking out demand for gasoline. Bitumen doesn't have that problem, we can turn it all to diesel, or jet fuel. Or non combustion uses like Asphalt or lubricants or even carbon fiber. And we can have a dominant position in Asia with that. Along with that I'm pretty pro Hydrogen investment. It's unlikely to be relevant for energy, but we can use it in our fertilizer industry, we can use it to upgrade that bitumen to other products, we can use it in industry for heating. And also SMRs, we should be ripping out the boilers in the Oilsands and using nuclear for the steam generation. Likewise for the petrochemical clusters or other industrial clusters or upgraders. In terms of Industry/manufacturing, I'll take whatever the Europeans will invest in us, wether it's artillery or hydrogen/ammonia or an LNG pipeline. If they pay I'm in, the east coast has always been an economic weakness. If I'm using government money, I'll support wind turbines (particularly in NF), mining equipment, and maybe heat pumps and solar cells. Things we need domestically at scale for either cost of living and lowering consumer energy costs or for powering industry, and can find large export markets particularly in Latin America. And I'm okay to throw some money at Additive manufacturing/3D printing random consumer junk but I don't expect it to stick. Last point, agricultural. 3 pillars and 2 add on. 1) we should be trying to pull in Dutch farmers finding land to expensive in the Netherlands to come to southern Ontario and the two food hubs and putting money into a massive greenhouse industry, and building those greenhouses. 2) we should be trying to turn the tundra into a massive grazing land for cattle and some additional animals, domestic muskox for wool and bringing in some Fins for Caribou. 3) we should be subsidizing kelp farming on the east coast to drive employment, increase fish stocks, and use it as biomass for fertilizer, Biogas, and chemicals. And 2 less large scale, creating more markets for berries from the North, and trying to bring in some American farmers from Wisconsin/Minnesota who have been priced out to develop Ontario's sand belt for wheat..
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  2022. ​​​ @Michaelme-de8zz eventually yes. That is the point, to develop an industry that both acts as a long term export and low cost energy advantage, while also creating new long term markets for oilsands operators to switch to selling energy in the long run. But in the short run 1)because of the same reason we burn NG, a positive EROI. Using it to produce Bitumen returns more energy than it consumes, something like 5x as much 2) Nuclear is more efficient for thermal energy than electrical due to conversion loss, of at least 40%, so we'll say it's twice as efficient as producing steam than we are electricity. 3) the products you make from bitumen - heavy RPPs like diesel and jet fuel, Base oils, Asphalt - are very difficult to replace and will take much longer than gasoline. However, they are also very energy intensive and difficult to make with other methods. It easily requires 5x the energy you get out of the process to turn CO2 into long chain Hydrocarbons. So the usefulness of trying to extract bitumen is like 50x higher than corresponding electrical generation to produce liquid fuels. And 10x more efficient than electricity for direct use, and 25x more effective than directly producing fuels without converting to electricity. There aren't that many demand centers the require an SMR, but the oil sands represents an enormous amount of them. That is after all why they are such high emitters currently. and of course we should do Sask Coal plants and possibly Canada LNG at the same time. But the oil sands represents an industry wide customer with long term investment horizons. And SMRs only work with bulk customers and large scale production. It's an ideal Combustion to commercialize. And the fact it will give an industry with $100s of billions in liabilities the opportunity to address them without a financial crisis id say is a major benefit as well. And of course once commercialized and large scale lowers production prices, new uses quickly appear such as electrical generation or Thermal conversion to Hydrogen or powering off grid communities or mines. But because we have a very large existing oil sector that is at risk of competitiveness, because SMRs provide such a disproportionate advantage to that sector than other uses, and because it allows us to deploy the SMRs locally while generating exports, this is a clear pathway forward.
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  2023. ​​ @Michaelme-de8zz Your reply isn't appearing undermine, but I'm response; I absolutely agree with the quick oil decline pathway being the most likely. I think EVs will rapidly reduce demand for gasoline. However, that will disproportionately advantage the oilsands and punish Light and medium producers. Bitumen is not oil any more than Natural Gas is, much as NG is the light Hydrocarbons that act as a gas, Bitumen is the heavy Hydrocarbons that are a solid. Because of this, bitumen can be selectively upgraded into specific products. Namely Diesel and Jet fuel, for which not only will there be a much longer demand horizon, but which conventional producers and refiners will struggle to provide due to the high gasoline fraction inherent to their oil. Refineries will not want medium crudes. Even heavy conventional crudes have a gasoline fraction which will be less desirable - although the ratio of heavier RPPs is much better. Bitumen can be converted almost entirely to certain products, Sturgeon Falls upgrades a barrel of bitumen almost 80% to diesel. I don't agree other producers can operate at significantly lower costs, and I would argue that in the medium and long run the WTI premium will reverse. We already see Albian heavy synthetic (an upgraded, bottlemless heavy synthetic oil) and Western Access Blend (a DilBit) trading above WTI. So I don't believe we will have very much issue finding markets. Particularly if SMRs are providing the heat for steam, the main cost of SAGD operations is the NG consumption. In the longer run, we do need to be building things like asphalt refineries and Carbon Fiber, and specializing in areas like Base Oil/Lubricants. And as I said, we should be pushing investment into Upgraders to use as Diluent or sell directly as Heavy SCOs. And, of course those refineries should use nuclear heat, and of course they should use green Hydrogen in upgrading. And longer term, they should look increasingly at Biomass and CO2 inputs. But please consider the cost of allowing the oilsands to fail. The cost of the tailings ponds if the companies declare bankruptcy and abandon them, the impact on the financial system (banks, pensions) when they default on debt, and the cost of the Alberta economy collapsing. Both the economic, and social/political costs. This industry needs to be rebuilt, and we do have a very short time period to do so. But we have several decades in which we can dominate the market for heavy RPPs as EVs make conventional oil producers struggle enormous quantities of gasoline no one wants. If we encourage investment, and not stifle it, we can use it to both fund the future and bring it into the future. If we don't, it will cost us enormously for absolutely nothing in return..
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  2024. ​ @Michaelme-de8zz Your reply isn't appearing undermine, but I'm response; I absolutely agree with the quick oil decline pathway being the most likely. I think EVs will rapidly reduce demand for gasoline. However, that will disproportionately advantage the oilsands and punish Light and medium producers. Bitumen is not oil any more than Natural Gas is, much as NG is the light Hydrocarbons that act as a gas, Bitumen is the heavy Hydrocarbons that are a solid.  Because of this, bitumen can be selectively upgraded into specific products. Namely Diesel and Jet fuel, for which not only will there be a much longer demand horizon, but which conventional producers and refiners will struggle to provide due to the high gasoline fraction inherent to their oil. Refineries will not want medium crudes. Even heavy conventional crudes have a gasoline fraction which will be less desirable - although the ratio of heavier RPPs is much better. Bitumen can be converted almost entirely to certain products, Sturgeon Falls upgrades a barrel of bitumen almost 80% to diesel.  I don't agree other producers can operate at significantly lower costs, and I would argue that in the medium and long run the WTI premium will reverse. We already see Albian heavy synthetic (an upgraded, bottlemless heavy synthetic oil) and Western Access Blend (a DilBit) trading above WTI. So I don't believe we will have very much issue finding markets. Particularly if SMRs are providing the heat for steam, the main cost of SAGD operations is the NG consumption.  In the longer run, we do need to be building things like asphalt refineries and Carbon Fiber, and specializing in areas like Base Oil/Lubricants. And as I said, we should be pushing investment into Upgraders to use as Diluent or sell directly as Heavy SCOs. And, of course those refineries should use nuclear heat, and of course they should use green Hydrogen in upgrading. And longer term, they should look increasingly at Biomass and CO2 inputs.  But please consider the cost of allowing the oilsands to fail. The cost of the tailings ponds if the companies declare bankruptcy and abandon them, the impact on the financial system (banks, pensions) when they default on debt, and the cost of the Alberta economy collapsing. Both the economic, and social/political costs. This industry needs to be rebuilt, and we do have a very short time period to do so. But we have several decades in which we can dominate the market for heavy RPPs as EVs make conventional oil producers struggle enormous quantities of gasoline no one wants. If we encourage investment, and not stifle it, we can use it to both fund the future and bring it into the future. If we don't, it will cost us enormously for absolutely nothing in return.
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  2026. Your reply isn't appearing undermine, but I'm response; I absolutely agree with the quick oil decline pathway being the most likely. I think EVs will rapidly reduce demand for gasoline. However, that will disproportionately advantage the oilsands and punish Light and medium producers. Bitumen is not oil any more than Natural Gas is, much as NG is the light Hydrocarbons that act as a gas, Bitumen is the heavy Hydrocarbons that are a solid. Because of this, bitumen can be selectively upgraded into specific products. Namely Diesel and Jet fuel, for which not only will there be a much longer demand horizon, but which conventional producers and refiners will struggle to provide due to the high gasoline fraction inherent to their oil. Refineries will not want medium crudes. Even heavy conventional crudes have a gasoline fraction which will be less desirable - although the ratio of heavier RPPs is much better. Bitumen can be converted almost entirely to certain products, Sturgeon Falls upgrades a barrel of bitumen almost 80% to diesel. I don't agree other producers can operate at significantly lower costs, and I would argue that in the medium and long run the WTI premium will reverse. We already see Albian heavy synthetic (an upgraded, bottlemless heavy synthetic oil) and Western Access Blend (a DilBit) trading above WTI. So I don't believe we will have very much issue finding markets. Particularly if SMRs are providing the heat for steam, the main cost of SAGD operations is the NG consumption. In the longer run, we do need to be building things like asphalt refineries and Carbon Fiber, and specializing in areas like Base Oil/Lubricants. And as I said, we should be pushing investment into Upgraders to use as Diluent or sell directly as Heavy SCOs. And, of course those refineries should use nuclear heat, and of course they should use green Hydrogen in upgrading. And longer term, they should look increasingly at Biomass and CO2 inputs. But please consider the cost of allowing the oilsands to fail. The cost of the tailings ponds if the companies declare bankruptcy and abandon them, the impact on the financial system (banks, pensions) when they default on debt, and the cost of the Alberta economy collapsing. Both the economic, and social/political costs. This industry needs to be rebuilt, and we do have a very short time period to do so. But we have several decades in which we can dominate the market for heavy RPPs as EVs make conventional oil producers struggle enormous quantities of gasoline no one wants. If we encourage investment, and not stifle it, we can use it to both fund the future and bring it into the future. If we don't, it will cost us enormously for absolutely nothing in return.
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  2049. @matthewq4b really this is several points 1) Does industry want upgraded crude. To which I would argue the answer seems yes, and Albian Heavy synthetic is one of our highest value crudes. Heavy refineries want bitumen to coke, I agree, but bottlemless heavies with high distalite can be used by any tea kettle refinery, which will otherwise be struggling with an excess of light products. I tend to agree the Upgraded crude market is somewhat limited. And that a large market exists for heavy bitumen to be specifically upgraded. However, I think we should be requiring that as of 2026, 5% of dilutent (perhaps on a credit trading system) is SCO, with an increasing ratio over time towards to goal of replacing DilBit exports with SynBit. That not only increases value added activities and improves distillate yields for purchasers, it also avoids the limitations on oilsands growth from dilutent. 2) Does industry want partially upgraded crude? I think the answer here is a yes. Partial upgrading increases, not decreases, the amount of bitumen per barrel, as to your point on where demand is. What is removed is asphaltenes, which drastically increase the amount of dilutent needed and pipeline volume, seperate and sink in a spill, and greatly restrict the quantities refineries can accept. We can sell the asphaltenes by rail as well, either for Asphalt, or if there is demand (which I don't believe exists) to add to crude at refineries. 3) to the extent industry wants raw, pure Bitumen, we can ship by rail several 100k bbl/d safely and with minimal cost increase. That can be blended into DilBit or at refineries. Bitumen alone cannot be moved by pipeline regardless.
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  2072. @Inez-z2z  Alberta has seen enormous growth of its chemical industry over the last 10 years. But Chemical inputs are all NGLs and other light fractions from fracking. It's almost entirely Seperate for the oil sands.. There has been development to Carbon Fiber, but it will be decades before we produce as much Carbon Fiber as we do Bitumen today. But, along with a Pipeline, I would like to see Refineries, and in particular refineries modeled on Sturgeon falls, on the coast maximizing diesel exports. EVs are displacing gasoline, but that's a fixed fraction of a barrel of oil, and so while gasoline prices fall diesel will go up, and gasoline will flood the market cheaply. If we can build pipelines to and refineries at the coast, we can push down diesel and jet fuel prices, and keep gasoline prices higher; A million barrels a day of Bitumen-to-diesel would mean taking 2 million barrels of gasoline of the market to produce the same amount of diesel. I'd also like to see more upgraders in Alberta in relation to an easy coast pipeline. Consider we can make multiple investments at once, also. And that there is elements of strategic necessity. Literally tomorrow Agent Orange could cut off half of Ontario's Oil by shutting down line 5 and leave it entirely dependent on US imports. I feel like people pay platitudes to Alberta should do more refining, but there really is no market, and they have a population to resource ratio that says they can get a lot more resources out of the ground than they can add value to.
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  2197. Okay but its important to focus on the fact tariffs are going to reduce the price of oil and likely have very little impact on refineries. Particularly if they are applied to Canada and not other nations. Oil production is almost entirely fixed. Oilsands Insitu operations, particularly SAGD, can't cut production without permanently deforming the reservoir. And demand for shale fracking will remain, for dilutent from SAGD operations, NG for LNG and Steam injection into the SAG, and NGLs to Albertas chemical industry. And Conventional production has almost no marginal cost, but with long term price decline expectations, new drilling will come to an end, which is the core of investment and employment in the industry. The only area that can, and will, quickly shut down are the Mining operations, which are focused on Fort McMurray and the focus of Fort McMurray. This is what we saw in Covid, an 80% shit down of mining for the brief period OPEC pushed down prices (ostensibly to fight Russia, although Russia had been calling for a global price war for a decade). The Mining operations are the majority of oil sands employenent, and even then focused on several of the highest cost projects. The Upgraders at the mining operations produce Canada Sweet and Light, and synthetic blend, which is more comparable to American light crude than our heavy sour. However, for the same reason this means it is much more easily displaced by American shale oil. It is also expensive to produce at around $60 a barrel, before transportion. WTI has been trading in the high $50s this week. The unfortunate reality is that the only facilities that can actually reduce production in response to a higher price are the facility that represent the majority of direct Oilsands employment, and cut conventional drilling the core of that areas employment. Its also import to note that declining prices directly impact Alberta oil royalties, Royalties are cut below $55 /bbl. This was a third of Albertas revenue last year, and in Covid the government struggled to raise debt. All that is to say energy tariffs would be very bad for Alberta, and to a lesser extent Saskatchewan.
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  2208.  @WinterXR7   @winterinvicta   @winterinvicta  I agree that the political situation isn't likely to lead to a coup or force Putin out of the war, but it may lead to peace settlements with more reasonable terms from Ukrainian perspectives. A lot has occured there, while a small fraction of Russian land, until this point the only thing keeping Ukraine out was the prestige of Russia, that is a loss people feel, particularly with a hundred thousand refugees spreading word in the country. Conscripts are in the conflict and taken as POWs in camps Russia paints as Nazi adjacent, until now the core areas of Russia haven't been dealing with the actual conflict, now its visible. Inflation has been very high for some time, now Kursk farmers can't collect thier wheat harvest, and gasoline supplies are constantly at target, which are quite significant costs the lower income. All that is to say that until recently, what has been a foreign conflict in Russia has become a domestic one, which politically is very different. to the second point, the particular units in question are drone operaters I believe, so it doesn't suprise me they are less effective in urban combat. But they will slow the advance to the city, and protect the flanks while other infantry units perform the urban combat. The dightiin Bakhmut obviously was extensive. To the economy, as you point out the ruble is weak, but more over the Ukrainian campaign against oil infrastructure only started 6 months ago. Kursk wheat won't be available, but not only that, diesel is going to be a in competition between farmers and the military in a few weeks. Europe has only recently banned un insured ships from their waters, which is meant to push out black fleet ships from the Baltic sea, a major oil shipment terminal. Inflation has been rising, and is being pressed by both a shorage of goods, and army contracts bidding out the labour supply, an issue only worsening. And Russian foreign currency reserves are almost entirely depleted, with the oil fund now mainly holding infrastructure bonds. The Russian financial position has continually worsen, amd while I'm not suggesting an immediate collapse, I would say stalling several months due to mud is harder on Russia than Ukraine. Also, maybe you mean to claim the GDP PPP growth has been higher in Russia than Germany (which is, frankly, a terribly afflicted economy having taken the brunt of anti Russian economic fall out), but I struggle to believe numbers showing a higher standard of living in Russia than Germany. And I would point out that growth in Russian GDP is driven by defense sector spending, which is dubious in its value should the war come to an end. To your last point, I'd suggest the very thing Ukraine wants is a counter attack in Kursk. Images of Russia flattening Russian towns with Artillery and hundreds of conscripts out of Moscow and Saint Petersburg dying or being maimed daily, or else a weakening of Russian forces elsewhere, are both wins for Ukraine.
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  2217. ​ @charliedoyle7824  Batteries are the only area I agree at all with competing against China; and even then it's iffy because we don't know the relevant chemistries. But if we actually pushed and don't spend the next 20 years doing environmental reviews and consultations, we may be able to enter this market using a fully domestic supply chain as the advantage. But there is no benefit to importing batteries from China. I fully disagree with the rest. Obviously things like Geothermal or compressed air storage will be assembled locally; but that doesn't mean we can't produce the equipment or that Canadian companies can do the assembly. We have clear advantages in these sectors, the only Geothermal project in Germany is a Canadian company. I think it's clear the issue is our lack of encouragement, not international willingness to use. SMRs in particular I think we have an opportunity to dominate the market. They only work when you have a large scale market, and that is the Oil sands and Sask coal plants. We can leverage that market to have economies of scale that outcompete. We also have industry experience and fuel. But at the end of the day, if you are right and the result is that every country can easily produce its own generation equipment for nearly free energy, which I think for tidal would be the outcome, that's a win imo. Best case we dominate the market, worse case we destroy Chinas market dominance. I'll take those odds lol. I also think you are over emphasizing Batteries. Eventually EVs will rely on capacitors, and there is no reason to believe grid storage will remain with batteries; certainly it won't be lithium ion. But in any event, an SMR and Battery grid would be far better than a solar Battery one because you have very consistent daily charge-recharge cycles. Solar requires multiple durations of backup, which creates the very technologies that will displace batteries.
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  2218. ​@charliedoyle7824 Batteries are the only area I agree at all with competing against China; and even then it's iffy because we don't know the relevant chemistries. But if we actually pushed and don't spend the next 20 years doing environmental reviews and consultations, we may be able to enter this market using a fully domestic supply chain as the advantage. But there is no benefit to importing batteries from China. I fully disagree with the rest. Obviously things like Geothermal or compressed air storage will be assembled locally; but that doesn't mean we can't produce the equipment or that Canadian companies can do the assembly. We have clear advantages in these sectors, the only Geothermal project in Germany is a Canadian company. I think it's clear the issue is our lack of encouragement, not international willingness to use. SMRs in particular I think we have an opportunity to dominate the market. They only work when you have a large scale market, and that is the Oil sands and Sask coal plants. We can leverage that market to have economies of scale that outcompete. We also have industry experience and fuel. But at the end of the day, if you are right and the result is that every country can easily produce its own generation equipment for nearly free energy, which I think for tidal would be the outcome, that's a win imo. Best case we dominate the market, worse case we destroy Chinas market dominance. I'll take those odds lol. I also think you are over emphasizing Batteries. Eventually EVs will rely on capacitors, and there is no reason to believe grid storage will remain with batteries; certainly it won't be lithium ion. But in any event, an SMR and Battery grid would be far better than a solar Battery one because you have very consistent daily charge-recharge cycles. Solar requires multiple durations of backup, which creates the very technologies that will displace batteries. .
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  2219. ​​ @charliedoyle7824  .Batteries are the only area I agree at all with competing against China; and even then it's iffy because we don't know the relevant chemistries. But if we actually pushed and don't spend the next 20 years doing environmental reviews and consultations, we may be able to enter this market using a fully domestic supply chain as the advantage. But there is no benefit to importing batteries from China. I fully disagree with the rest. Obviously things like Geothermal or compressed air storage will be assembled locally; but that doesn't mean we can't produce the equipment or that Canadian companies can do the assembly. We have clear advantages in these sectors, the only Geothermal project in Germany is a Canadian company. I think it's clear the issue is our lack of encouragement, not international willingness to use. SMRs in particular I think we have an opportunity to dominate the market. They only work when you have a large scale market, and that is the Oil sands and Sask coal plants. We can leverage that market to have economies of scale that outcompete. We also have industry experience and fuel. But at the end of the day, if you are right and the result is that every country can easily produce its own generation equipment for nearly free energy, which I think for tidal would be the outcome, that's a win imo. Best case we dominate the market, worse case we destroy Chinas market dominance. I'll take those odds lol. I also think you are over emphasizing Batteries. Eventually EVs will rely on capacitors, and there is no reason to believe grid storage will remain with batteries; certainly it won't be lithium ion. But in any event, an SMR and Battery grid would be far better than a solar Battery one because you have very consistent daily charge-recharge cycles. Solar requires multiple durations of backup, which creates the very technologies that will displace batteries.
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  2220. @charliedoyle7824  Batteries are the only area I agree at all with competing against China; and even then it's iffy because we don't know the relevant chemistries. But if we actually pushed and don't spend the next 20 years doing environmental reviews and consultations, we may be able to enter this market using a fully domestic supply chain as the advantage. But there is no benefit to importing batteries from China.  I fully disagree with the rest. Obviously things like Geothermal or compressed air storage will be assembled locally; but that doesn't mean we can't produce the equipment or that Canadian companies can do the assembly. We have clear advantages in these sectors, the only Geothermal project in Germany is a Canadian company. I think it's clear the issue is our lack of encouragement, not international willingness to use.  SMRs in particular I think we have an opportunity to dominate the market. They only work when you have a large scale market, and that is the Oil sands and Sask coal plants. We can leverage that market to have economies of scale that outcompete. We also have industry experience and fuel.  But at the end of the day, if you are right and the result is that every country can easily produce its own generation equipment for nearly free energy, which I think for tidal would be the outcome, that's a win imo. Best case we dominate the market, worse case we destroy Chinas market dominance. I'll take those odds lol.  I also think you are over emphasizing Batteries. Eventually EVs will rely on capacitors, and there is no reason to believe grid storage will remain with batteries; certainly it won't be lithium ion. But in any event, an SMR and Battery grid would be far better than a solar Battery one because you have very consistent daily charge-recharge cycles. Solar requires multiple durations of backup, which creates the very technologies that will displace batteries..
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  2221. @charliedoyle7824 Batteries are the only area I agree at all with competing against China; and even then it's iffy because we don't know the relevant chemistries. But if we actually pushed and don't spend the next 20 years doing environmental reviews and consultations, we may be able to enter this market using a fully domestic supply chain as the advantage. But there is no benefit to importing batteries from China. I fully disagree with the rest. Obviously things like Geothermal or compressed air storage will be assembled locally; but that doesn't mean we can't produce the equipment or that Canadian companies can do the assembly. We have clear advantages in these sectors, the only Geothermal project in Germany is a Canadian company. I think it's clear the issue is our lack of encouragement, not international willingness to use. SMRs in particular I think we have an opportunity to dominate the market. They only work when you have a large scale market, and that is the Oil sands and Sask coal plants. We can leverage that market to have economies of scale that outcompete. We also have industry experience and fuel. But at the end of the day, if you are right and the result is that every country can easily produce its own generation equipment for nearly free energy, which I think for tidal would be the outcome, that's a win imo. Best case we dominate the market, worse case we destroy Chinas market dominance. I'll take those odds lol. I also think you are over emphasizing Batteries. Eventually EVs will rely on capacitors, and there is no reason to believe grid storage will remain with batteries; certainly it won't be lithium ion. But in any event, an SMR and Battery grid would be far better than a solar Battery one because you have very consistent daily charge-recharge cycles. Solar requires multiple durations of backup, which creates the very technologies that will displace batteries.
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  2229. @sc1338  well, about which part? Because Permian oil is getting lighter. It's starting to lower the value of Brent. As rigs move into less valuable locations in the play, the shale gets tighter, and so the oil gets lighter. And as part of that, the ratio of Natural Gas to oil increases, and wells get less productive. Bakken and Eagle Ford, the second and third largest shake plays and operating before the Permian, are both well below their peak production, although both are very productive gas fields. One of the issues is simply that as wells get gassier, you start having difficulty finding take away for it, and you can flair but your basically burning half your product. And the Bakken is really only holding production something close to stable by using wells drilled before (DUCs) Covid that weren't brought into production. The Shale oil industry didn't make a dollar before 2022. Rigs today are down, even in the Permian (although not as bad as Nationally), new drilling is down, DUCs are down, in 2020 there were over 3000 DUCs in the Permian, by 2023 that was down to 1000, which is still decreasing but slower. I'm not saying the Permian will stop producing oil. It has the advantage of being near the coast and a tonne of infrastructure. Technology is improving, and new wells in the Permian are actual more productive today than in the past, but productivity per lateral foot drilled is declining, which shows the actual resource is depleting. But ultimately Fracking is an amazing technology to produce cheap natural gas - particularly if we can find a way to not use Diesel to run the pumps. Oil is a side product for a limited number of years after the play goes into production.
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  2244. I think this conversation was excellent, but I do think a few points were missed that changes some conclusions; For one, I agree we are currently under investmenting in renewables. But it is not as though we are already seeing new investment in a pipeline. I am very confident Caney intends to drive enormous investment into renewables and AI, it is the core of his argument for the future in Value(s) . And I think the political trade is infact greater access for BC to buy and sell on Alberta's grid, and replace/expand the California market it trades with and get more access to low cost wind and drive largescale investment in Alberta renewables, and drive data center investment to explort low cost electricity and geothermal. And I disagree about Nuclear. It is more than just the current electrical cost, its an advanced and important technology who's cost can be driven down aggressively. I agree the occasional electrical plant SMR is a poor development strategy TLDR, reasons SMRs are well suited to oilsands; aside for some experimental designs to build regulatory and technical capacity). Ultimately I think deployment in the oilsands is the best way to due to the clear advantages (replacing NG and eliminating it from the marginal cost, direct provision of high tempature heat instead of losing energy in conversion, mass quantities for SAGD for commercialization, single technological usage spread out across just 4 companies operating hazardous industrial equipment creates an easy regulatory space, multiple large scale branch off industries (upgraders, refineries, oil sands mines (and from there Mines)) that share the same major operators, allows nuclear output to be directed towards exports, a new energy market for oilsands operators to sell into as part of the transition from oil. Ps, I'm not trying to name drop that I read Values all the time, I'm just trying to give people an idea of what it actually talks about and hopefully get people to read it.
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  2250.  @mignik01   I don't understand why YouTube clears comments so cavalierly, but I hate to think it's probably because two people talking drives less engagement than 50 people each yelling at 50 people. But always copy anything longer than a sentence now. I think 2 things are important to consider on demand drop. Firstly, I'd say that in urban, developed areas including most of North America, Europe, Asia, and India, we'll see EVs quickly dominate. * See more below. This will lower global oil gasoline demand in particular. Secondly, a barrel of oil is a mix of different sized hydrocarbons, about half of those are in the size range we use for gasoline. All of which means for a refinery to survive, it will be selling very cheap gas, and have to make all its revenue on naphtha feedstock and propane sales, and heavier molecule diesel and jet fuel and lubricants, which means the prices will have to increase. There is some extent to which we can change the ratio, either seperating more out of the gas or cracking it if the demand for petrofeed stock exists. But rebuilding refineries is quite rare in modern day. The point being actual oil demand can't lower significantly if diesel doesn't alongside gasoline, and diesel prices will increase and push away demand. ** On the otherhand, I expect by 2027 declining long-term Chinese demand will trigger an OPEC price war to kill fracking and Canadian oil sands mining (not the SAGD, the strip mines), and likely succeed, probably dumping a lot of cheap gasoline in Africa, particularly the east coast. Or else I expect OPEC to collapses with enormous oversupply the result anyway. Particularly since I think the Ukraine war will have to end by 2026 and Russian oil will return to Europe. So low oil prices might keep diesel and other Petro products cheap at the expense of import dependency for north america. But we know large cut to gasoline demand will occur, and this will ultimately require other uses to decline as well or else dump cheap gasoline somewhere. *China in particular already has half of new vehicle sales as EVs. China represents something like 40% of oil imports? And at the same time has a protected market providing 40% of their oil today. Chinese demand dropping in half over the next few years would be 10 million barrels a day gone alone. While South Korea and Japan might issue tariffs in Asia, I can't see south Korea EVs not growling rapidly. I can't see Indonesia not striking a trade deal to access cheap EVs for cities (while pushing on its horrible Palm Oil biodiesel plan). Europe (EU) is obviously pushing EVs, although only 20% of vehicles are EVs (because they did a terrible job with industrial policy and Germany will collapse if it can't sell cars), but still one of the largest importers cutting demand, and I can't imagine in the next few years Russian oil doesn't return. **There is a bitumen to diesel only plant in Alberta; that works because all the bitumen is larger than diesel and is broken down, shale oils greatest issue is it has so little diesel, shale oil is why diesel prices are no longer cheaper than gasoline and propane is dirt cheap. And I've seen several refineries being turned into biodeisel (which I hate), but that does mean more supply for diesel, although is also a substitute.
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  2251.  @mignik01    I don't understand why YouTube clears comments so cavalierly, but I hate to think it's probably because two people talking drives less engagement than 50 people each yelling at 50 people. But always copy anything longer than a sentence now. I think 2 things are important to consider on demand drop. Firstly, I'd say that in urban, developed areas including most of North America, Europe, Asia, and India, we'll see EVs quickly dominate. * See more below. This will lower global oil gasoline demand in particular. Secondly, a barrel of oil is a mix of different sized hydrocarbons, about half of those are in the size range we use for gasoline. All of which means for a refinery to survive, it will be selling very cheap gas, and have to make all its revenue on naphtha feedstock and propane sales, and heavier molecule diesel and jet fuel and lubricants, which means the prices will have to increase. There is some extent to which we can change the ratio, either seperating more out of the gas or cracking it if the demand for petrofeed stock exists. But rebuilding refineries is quite rare in modern day. The point being actual oil demand can't lower significantly if diesel doesn't alongside gasoline, and diesel prices will increase and push away demand. ** On the otherhand, I expect by 2027 declining long-term Chinese demand will trigger an OPEC price war to kill fracking and Canadian oil sands mining (not the SAGD, the strip mines), and likely succeed, probably dumping a lot of cheap gasoline in Africa, particularly the east coast. Or else I expect OPEC to collapses with enormous oversupply the result anyway. Particularly since I think the Ukraine war will have to end by 2026 and Russian oil will return to Europe. So low oil prices might keep diesel and other Petro products cheap at the expense of import dependency for north america. But we know large cut to gasoline demand will occur, and this will ultimately require other uses to decline as well or else dump cheap gasoline somewhere. *China in particular already has half of new vehicle sales as EVs. China represents something like 40% of oil imports? And at the same time has a protected market providing 40% of their oil today. Chinese demand dropping in half over the next few years would be 10 million barrels a day gone alone. While South Korea and Japan might issue tariffs in Asia, I can't see south Korea EVs not growling rapidly. I can't see Indonesia not striking a trade deal to access cheap EVs for cities (while pushing on its horrible Palm Oil biodiesel plan). Europe (EU) is obviously pushing EVs, although only 20% of vehicles are EVs (because they did a terrible job with industrial policy and Germany will collapse if it can't sell cars), but still one of the largest importers cutting demand, and I can't imagine in the next few years Russian oil doesn't return. **There is a bitumen to diesel only plant in Alberta; that works because all the bitumen is larger than diesel and is broken down, shale oils greatest issue is it has so little diesel, shale oil is why diesel prices are no longer cheaper than gasoline and propane is dirt cheap. And I've seen several refineries being turned into biodeisel (which I hate), but that does mean more supply for diesel, although is also a substitute.
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  2253.  @mignik01  I think 2 things are important to consider on demand drop. Firstly, I'd say that in urban, developed areas including most of North America, Europe, Asia, and India, we'll see EVs quickly dominate. * See more below. This will lower global oil gasoline demand in particular. Secondly, a barrel of oil is a mix of different sized hydrocarbons, about half of those are in the size range we use for gasoline. All of which means for a refinery to survive, it will be selling very cheap gas, and have to make all its revenue on naphtha feedstock and propane sales, and heavier molecule diesel and jet fuel and lubricants, which means the prices will have to increase. There is some extent to which we can change the ratio, either seperating more out of the gas or cracking it if the demand for petrofeed stock exists. But rebuilding refineries is quite rare in modern day. The point being actual oil demand can't lower significantly if diesel doesn't alongside gasoline, and diesel prices will increase and push away demand. ** On the otherhand, I expect by 2027 declining long-term Chinese demand will trigger an OPEC price war to kill fracking and Canadian oil sands mining (not the SAGD, the strip mines), and likely succeed, probably dumping a lot of cheap gasoline in Africa, particularly the east coast. Or else I expect OPEC to collapses with enormous oversupply the result anyway. Particularly since I think the Ukraine war will have to end by 2026 and Russian oil will return to Europe. So low oil prices might keep diesel and other Petro products cheap at the expense of import dependency for north america. But we know large cut to gasoline demand will occur, and this will ultimately require other uses to decline as well or else dump cheap gasoline somewhere. *China in particular already has half of new vehicle sales as EVs. China represents something like 40% of oil imports? And at the same time has a protected market providing 40% of their oil today. Chinese demand dropping in half over the next few years would be 10 million barrels a day gone alone. While South Korea and Japan might issue tariffs in Asia, I can't see south Korea EVs not growling rapidly. I can't see Indonesia not striking a trade deal to access cheap EVs for cities (while pushing on its horrible Palm Oil biodiesel plan). Europe (EU) is obviously pushing EVs, although only 20% of vehicles are EVs (because they did a terrible job with industrial policy and Germany will collapse if it can't sell cars), but still one of the largest importers cutting demand, and I can't imagine in the next few years Russian oil doesn't return. **There is a bitumen to diesel only plant in Alberta; that works because all the bitumen is larger than diesel and is broken down, shale oils greatest issue is it has so little diesel, shale oil is why diesel prices are no longer cheaper than gasoline and propane is dirt cheap. And I've seen several refineries being turned into biodeisel (which I hate), but that does mean more supply for diesel, although is also a substitute.
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  2317. @ryuuguu01  Okay well Alberta sends a $100 billion in oil south but clearly you don't think there is economic justification for a pipeline. So obviously you understand that we have to figure in the cost of infrastructure to this conversation. Connecting Thomson Manitoba, where the hydro is, to Edmonton is 1000km transmission project. Maybe this makes sense if the BC option didn't exist. But as you point out, Manitoba has a market in the US. If it loses that Market, than Manitoba is drastically over provisioned and doesn't need excess. If it keeps that Market, it doesn't have a lot of spare capacity, and Minnesota isn't exactly primed for growth. In 20 years, if you already have a bipole connecting to the Ring of Fire and Toronto in Ontario, and US demand has grown, and Alberta's need for dispatchable power outgrows what trade with BC could supply, then maybe. Although I would imagine by that time energy storage is good enough that if such transmission is justified it's because we are undamming our rivers, not bilateral trade. Also, please stop claiming I am from Alberta. I am not. I am from and in Ontario. I simply do not want to see our country cut in half. I am referring to how much Alberta stands to lose in Oil revenues, how that will push their economy into deep depression, and how the US administration will leverage that toward their stated goal of annexing Canada. You are the person who started referencing Electrical generation as relevant to the discussion I started with oil.
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  2318. @ryuuguu01  Okay well Alberta sends a $100 billion in oil south but clearly you don't think there is economic justification for a pipeline. So obviously you understand that we have to figure in the cost of infrastructure to this conversation. Connecting Thomson Manitoba, where the hydro is, to Edmonton is 1000km transmission project. Maybe this makes sense if the BC option didn't exist. But as you point out, Manitoba has a market in the US. If it loses that Market, than Manitoba is drastically over provisioned and doesn't need excess. If it keeps that Market, it doesn't have a lot of spare capacity, and Minnesota isn't exactly primed for growth. In 20 years, if you already have a bipole connecting to the Ring of Fire and Toronto in Ontario, and US demand has grown, and Alberta's need for dispatchable power outgrows what trade with BC could supply, then maybe. Although I would imagine by that time energy storage is good enough that if such transmission is justified it's because we are undamming our rivers, not bilateral trade. Also, please stop claiming I am from Alberta. I am not. I am from and in Ontario. I simply do not want to see our country cut in half. I am referring to how much Alberta stands to lose in Oil revenues, how that will push their economy into deep depression, and how the US administration will leverage that toward their stated goal of annexing Canada. You are the person who started referencing Electrical generation as relevant to the discussion I started with oil. I was literally calling conversation around electrical generation a red herring to a conversation about oil..
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  2328.  @sylvialoffredo3887  honestly the answer is Because of China. China has put just about the full force of their industry into battery manufacturing and solar panels. They have done this because they are fundamentally energy insecure, and oil, and to a much lesser extent coal, imports are widely seen as their largest strategic weakness. And they have made it insanely inexpensive to produce and store electricity and are continuing to drive costs lower. This will have the triple impact of; cutting oil demand dramatically further empowering OPEC to squeeze our industry, meaning we are no longer a low energy cost jurisdiction, and because China controls supple chains while being a generation of manufacturing ahead of us they will become the global energy exporter. I think we should be investing heavily in SMRs to try and make the magic hot rocks less expensive than the magic crystals that turn sunlight into electricity. And windmills keep the steel and concrete industry alive. But Europe also wants energy independence, and between the two they will create a large enough market that any country can become energy independent for less cost than conventional energy. We need to become a player in the new markets because our traditional markets will be retracting. So to heat specifically the expectation power will be less expensive and because in the 70s heat pumps weren't as developed. Also in the 1980s OPEC flooded the market and the US deregulated natural gas, which undercut the movement to electrify (although that seems to be happening right now, China and seemingly Europe are far more determined to push through this time).
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  2334. I don't think you're a China booster, but I do think we need to focus less on their success and more on how to get someone on the ice to break their ankle - they beat us with a new technology, we need to do the same, not compete in their game. That said, I think Canada has an opportunity that is fleeting. We are probably going to lose the big three automakers to the US, that is their core demand. But, we have a strong and long relationship with the Detroit 3, and I think the proposal we should put forward is to become the hub of export model EVs. Export models from the Detroit 3, you ask? Exactly - this is something Canada and the industry both need, can fill the void of lost US market, grow the industry, and contribute to a larger EV and Battery ecosystem we need to build to keep cost down while getting around tariffs against the US for the companies looking to export.. Most of the domestic Canadian car industry builds parts, like doors and roofs, and that EVs still use and so EVs offer a pathway to maintain those supply chains. GM produces the Bright drop EV cargo van in Ingersoll, Stellantis is planning on building the Jeep Compass EV in Brampton and the Chrysler Pacifica EV in Windsor. Honda produces the CR V. Project Arrow also has the APMA working toward an all Canadian EV. This must be supported. Toyota produced the EV RAV4 in Woodstock, Ford was going to produce the Explorer and Aviator in Oakville until changing plans at the start of 2025. We need to get a Tesla Giga factory, and a BYD assembly plant as well. In general we need to establish ourselves as the hub of export oriented EV models to the Atlantic. And most of all, we need to build the entire supply chain. This only works if the competitive advantage is full supply chain integration greatly reducing the transport cost of materials while making a more ethical product. We can't be fighting over land rights or spend 20 years studying a lithium or cobalt mine, it has to be rushed.
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  2370.  @markbaker6553  I would like to see an increase of In Situ SAGD production in the oil sands, potentially to around 5-6M bbl/d. I think this should be a growth industry we support because it is unique to Canada and offers advantages to oil. I think we should be moving SAGD to nuclear steam generators over the next 10 years, cutting NG demand by ~20% of our production. This would make Oil Sands production effectively emissionsless, and make the marginal cost of production almost $0 allowing us to force out OPEC. I want to see the upgraders equipped with Nuclear heating as well, and transitioning to Green Hydrogen as the Alberta grid increases capacity. I want to see a blending requirement meant to increase upgraded Syncrude in DilBit over time to create a market for SynCrude, demand for investment into new upgraders, and push out Dilutent, until we are only selling SynBit, that is again, effectively emissionsless in production. These Upgraders will also act to grow employment in Fort McMurray and avoid a regional collapse from the eventual end of mining. I want to see 2 Northern Gateway pipelines built consecutively, to bring 1M bbl/d to Prince Rupert, for a total of 3M bbl/d reaching the Pacific. And alongside that, I want to see a 300k bbl/d refinery, Bitumen beyond combustion uses such as asphalt and carbon fiber, and a large scale petrochemical industry including Gasoline cracking units to adsorb light fractions without a global market. I want to see a TransCanada line capable of bringing 2M bbl/d east, providing oil security to the 1M bbl/d Eastern Canada uses, and working with Europe to find a long term market for the other 1M bbl/d in East coast exports. I think this line should only be allowed to carry SynCrude, or potentially synCrude with a low blend of Bitumen such that the mix floats.
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  2424. I guess my point is it's less of a "tool" and more of a "drillbit", and without a drill, it's just something to hurt yourself with when you stick your hand in. And I haven't seen much talk about the drill itself, just a lot of praise of drillbits. I agree policy can create competitive advantage. But I'd hazard that it often comes at the expense of other areas of the economy. South Korea and Japan have just about the worst demographics of any country that wasn't Soviet. There are strategic reasons to want manufacturing, but I'd wager most Americans want the good middle class jobs that support a family - and that doesn't exactly align with the multigenerational no child houses in your examples. That said, I also support industrial policy. And tariffs are a part of that. I think government backing, or even nationalization, of resource sectors, energy, and transportation can all be very valuable (and frankly hard to screw up unless you create some monolithic monopoly). And in terms of manufacturing, I would love to see Capital investment incentives (which Biden actually did quite well), wage subsidies (particularly training tax credits that pay out over several years so long as the employee stays employees), research hubs for industry (to get rid of R&D tax credits which are useless and increase industry information sharing), and planned industrial parts with centralized power/heat provision and a clear goal for interconnected users. And I think Capital gains taxes should be time sliding, so that the tax rate starts at 100%, but over 20 years falls to 0%, to encourage long term investment..
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  2438.  @imacmill  well, I love in Southern Ontario, and I don't love the all of my oil comes through the US, and that most of it comes from Line 5 which Michigan has been trying to shut down for years, and Biden was keeping open for us, and which Trump could choice to have the EPA close tomorrow. Even though I know it would cost some money and isn't directly profitable. Sometimes infrastructure does cost money, I doubt either of us take issue with Transmission lines being subsidized, for example. But more widely as a Canadian, the US is about to collapse our exports if we are serious about fighting back. That will be expressed heavily through enormous declines in oil volume and more over price under a growing discount pushing down value. We could rapidly lose 10% of our exports via oil, alongside collapses in New Brunswick from St. John, Ontario's de industrialization, and a general commodity slump. And since Canada is a trade dependent economy, fewer exports will lower the value of the CAD value over a prolonged period, will mean inflation. And mean that Eastern Canada is exporting Capital for a good we domestically. And on top of all that will probably see a million+ immigrants going home alongside a general Property Market and Financial crash, between bank exposure to oil sands and housing. So I would be largely in favor of risking a financial loss on a pipeline as a hedge against a sudden drop in currency value and energy security, although I think the discount we will see in the future will more than compensate for pipeline costs, and really want to minimize the time it stays that large. And I think it's rather dishonest to quote Transmountain as a reasonable cost estimate given it was built over Covid. Because the biggest Issue is Alberta. Which will be the center of the depression. Fort Mac will be a ghost town, because the Mines will be the first thing to close and if we lost Line 5 that's almost half the market for upgraded syncrude. Weak future prospects will end the conventional drilling even though conventional output will continue at low prices from existing wells. The Government of Alberta will lose half it's revenue, a third in oil royalties alone, because the sliding royalty scale. And have an unemployment crisis of formerly very high wage blue collar workers, again alongside other provinces. And all the while Trump will be on Fox saying Alberta should join the US and they would be rich. With Pro American support already at 10% or higher. If we want to keep Alberta, we need to have more of their oil dependent on Canada than on the US, and right now 80% of their output goes through the US. The US, Trump, doesn't want Quebec. It doesn't want a bunch of democrats and retries. it wants the Conservative, oil rich province, full of young people and with a road to Alaska. That is the biggest point of issue. The Federal government pays Quebec $13 billion in equalization, it can risk losing $20 billion over 20 years to make Alberta happy. It really doesn't matter if you think it's financially or economically unsound, we need to keep Alberta. And we are already in a competition with the US for it. But also more fundamentally, I think Markham speaks in bad faith around the oil sands. Electrification and EVs will decimate demand for Gasoline, but they are having little impact on Diesel and jet fuel, or lubricants. Look at Sturgeon Falls, we can take a barrel of Bitumen and produce a barrel of Diesel. OPEC and conventional oil get like 20-30% a barrel of Diesel from a barrel of oil, and about half a barrel of Gasoline. Which means high prices for heavy RPP are going to support oil production with gasoline sold off cheap and pushing EVs out of markets. High prices we can both exploit to carve out market for value added products. And keeping heavy RPP prices lower, and thereby reducing the profit in refining, and therefore produce less gasoline to dump on the Market. Upgraders provide an excellent industrial customer for Green Hydrogen, and alongside the insitu operations, an industrial customer for SMRs. We need to develop these industries. Frankly once nuclear I would like to see Gasifiers to push out the Shale fracking to the west to feeds LNG. And all that is besides that Fact that Markham perfectly agrees that non combustion uses should be developed. There is no reason not to use a pipeline to deliver bitumen to coastal BC where Carbon Fiber or Asphalt binder can be produced for global export. We can build a pipeline now, and develop industry as demand falls, not that I think it will for heavy oil. I completely agree with adding as much value as possible.
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  2464.  @Inez-z2z   This is a complete strawman. I'm not against Bitumen beyond combustion. But Alberta innovates puts the 10 year optimistic scenario at 100k bbl/d in production in 10 years-thats 2% of current oils production. That's nowhere near sufficient for the industry to even operate. Likewise almost all of Canada's bitumen asphalt binder comes from 1 plant using like 20k bbl/d. Again, I would strongly support subsidizing new export facilities even if we have to use railBit to reach them. But only the heaviest fractions go to Asphalt binder, something like 20% a barrel of Bitumen, so you still need to use the 80% of lighter fractions (that are still heavier than diesel) That said, I think we should do everything possible to encourage that uptake. But producing diesel and RPPs is adding value. Even upgrading is adding significant value. Frankly, of all hydrocarbons we still use I think it's fairly clear diesel fuel is the most important and has the longest future. As EVs push out demand for gasoline, heavy RPPs will go up in price, and oil producers will sell off the half of the barrel that's gasoline cheaply to keep out EVs in order to produce the expensive fractions. We can produce that, and in doing so keep diesel prices low enough to drive down total oil demand. We can turn one barrel of Bitumen into one barrel of Diesel. Since diesel is only 20% of the fraction of a normal barrel (less for US shale oil) to produce 1 barrel of Diesel you'd need 5 barrels of oil. And as gasoline continues to fall relative to diesel demand because of EVs, the diesel price is going to be what keeps global refineries operating.
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  2529.  @karl-emilmadsen5032  The EU as a whole imports 90% of its oil. Admittedly, the UK and Norway aren't in the EU. But I don't know how you can seriously argue Europe is dependent on Arab and Russian gas and oil. I do seperate the US by state, btw. They are organized into PADDs. The Midwest and Rocky states rely on Canadian heavy crude mixed with Bakken light, The South relies on a mix of Permian light crude, Gulf offshore, and heavy oils mainly imported from Mexico (and formerly Venezuela), west coast (mainly California) imports mainly heavy oil from west coast South America, along with using Alaska and Californias output, and is the main importer from OPEC countries (Iraq), and is about to get hooked on Canadian oil, and the east coast mostly recieves petroleum products from the South until Jersey, New Brunswick in new England ( which in turn imports a lot from Nigeria and the Saudis, but is a small overall market), and NY area refineries get seaborne shipments from who ever is cheapest, Bakken, and Canadian crude. The US imports heavy oil, mostly and increasingly from Canada, although also seaborne from South America. Because for a long time the world was running out of light crude, and the US invested in more expensive refineries to handle cheaper heavy crude. Then the fracking boom and global oil shortages from OPEC cuts and Russia turned the US into a major exporter of more expensive light crude, mainly to Europe, but also Canada ( in the east) and China. The US is only actually dependent on Canadian imports, but through NAFTA it's illegal for Canada to reduce imports. The only real exception is California, and when transmountan opens I a few months that will no longer be an exception.
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  2530.  @karl-emilmadsen5032  very annoyingly, my reply didn't post. Yes Norway and the UK are not in the EU, but Europe as a whole is absolutely dependent on imports, mainly from Arab states and the US, who you are (wrongly) claiming is a net importer, and historically obviously Russia. Quickly put, the US imports heavy crude, mostly from Canada and mostly to the Midwest and Rocky mountains, but also from Mexico to Texas and West coast South America to California, and this is because the world was running out of light oil, so they invested in more expensive heavy oil upgraders to take advantage of cheaper heavy oil. The US exports more valuable light oil, and more barrels of it than it imports, mostly from Permian Basin fracking in Texas. The only country the US is dependent on is Canada, and because of NAFTA, Canada cannot legally reduce our oil exports. The only exception is California, which is the main importer of OPEC oil, and with Transmountan opening that exception is dead. The only other exception is New England, which is a tiny market that doesn't have a single refinery, and imports finished petroleum products from New Brunswick in Canada, which itself imports OPEC oil, mainly Nigerian and Saudi. And again, at times that balance has shifted to mainly US oil. The US is a major oil exporter, second only to the Saudis, and gaining. I think this is a very bad thing, for what it's worth, because it's made the US economy more dependent on oil, and eventually the Saudis will flood the market or OPEC will collapse and flood the market or Europe will be flooded with Russian oil, and the very expensive Fracking oil will be decimated, and the US will see a collapse in output. And that's probably soon.
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  2532.  @karl-emilmadsen5032  Neither Puerto nor Guam nor the US Virgin islands have a single oil refinery. There isn't an oven to "bake the cake". They have no way to consume any crude they recieve; Puerto Rico does have a storage and shipment terminal, any oil sent to Puerto Rico is for re-export. I'm glad to see you are now agreeing they do produce more than they consume. But as you have pointed out, and I've explained, they are also a massive oil importer, largely from Canada, but also Mexico and to a lesser extent OPEC, almost all of which is very heavy crude. You need to count these imports towards their consumption as well as their production, they don't import for fun. And, for all intents and purposes, you can basically consider the Canadian oil theirs (which hurts, as a Canadian)- it's illegal for Canada to reduce oil sales compared to last year due to NAFTA, the companies that extract the oil and own the reserves are mainly American owned, and nearly all pipeline capacity goes to the US. In 2023 they exported some 4 million barrels a day. To be a stickler for semantics, they don't consumer 95% of their production, they consume a little over half, export the rest, and import cheap heavy oil to make up the difference. Again, that's all light Permian Basin fracked crude. And most of it went to Europe (as with most of their LNG), which is why the US is Europe's largest supplier of NG and oil. So I expect them to supply Europe exactly as they are? I don't understand why you seem upset about this. Europe is the one who necessarily buys oil from dictatorships, like Russia.
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  2533.  @karl-emilmadsen5032   Neither Puerto nor Guam nor the US Virgin islands have a single oil refinery. There isn't an oven to "bake the cake". They have no way to consume any crude they recieve; Puerto Rico does have a storage and shipment terminal, any oil sent to Puerto Rico is for re-export. I'm glad to see you are now agreeing they do produce more than they consume. But as you have pointed out, and I've explained, they are also a massive oil importer, largely from Canada, but also Mexico and to a lesser extent OPEC, almost all of which is very heavy crude. You need to count these imports towards their consumption as well as their production, they don't import for fun. And, for all intents and purposes, you can basically consider the Canadian oil there (which hurts, as a Canadian)- it's illegal for Canada to reduce oil sales compared to last year due to NAFTA, the companies that extract the oil and own the reserves are mainly American owned, and nearly all pipeline capacity goes to the US. In 2023 they exported some 4 million barrels a day. To be a stickler for semantics, they don't consumer 95% of their production, they consume a little over half, export the rest, and import cheap heavy oil to make up the difference. Again, that's all light Permian Basin fracked crude. And most of it went to Europe (as with most of their LNG), which is why the US is Europe's largest supplier of NG and oil. So I expect them to supply Europe exactly as they are? I don't understand why you seem upset about this. Europe is the one who necessarily buys oil from dictatorships, like Russia.
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  2534.  @karl-emilmadsen5032    Neither Puerto nor Guam nor the US Virgin islands have a single oil refinery. There isn't an oven to "bake the cake". They have no way to consume any crude they recieve; Puerto Rico does have a storage and shipment terminal, any oil sent to Puerto Rico is for re-export. I'm glad to see you are now agreeing they do produce more than they consume. But as you have pointed out, and I've explained, they are also a massive oil importer, largely from Canada, but also Mexico and to a lesser extent OPEC, almost all of which is very heavy crude. You need to count these imports towards their consumption as well as their production, they don't import for fun. And, for all intents and purposes, you can basically consider the Canadian oil there (which hurts, as a Canadian)- it's illegal for Canada to reduce oil sales compared to last year due to NAFTA, the companies that extract the oil and own the reserves are mainly American owned, and nearly all pipeline capacity goes to the US. In 2023 they exported some 4 million barrels a day. To be a stickler for semantics, they don't consumer 95% of their production, they consume a little over half, export the rest, and import cheap heavy oil to make up the difference. Again, that's all light Permian Basin fracked crude. And most of it went to Europe (as with most of their LNG), which is why the US is Europe's largest supplier of NG and oil. So I expect them to supply Europe exactly as they are? I don't understand why you seem upset about this.
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  2535. @karl-emilmadsen5032  Neither Puerto nor Guam nor the US Virgin islands have a single oil refinery. There isn't an oven to "bake the cake". They have no way to consume any crude they recieve; Puerto Rico does have a storage and shipment terminal, any oil sent to Puerto Rico is for re-export. I'm glad to see you are now agreeing they do produce more than they consume. But as you have pointed out, and I've explained, they are also a massive oil importer, largely from Canada, but also Mexico and to a lesser extent OPEC, almost all of which is very heavy crude. You need to count these imports towards their consumption as well as their production, they don't import for fun. And, for all intents and purposes, you can basically consider the Canadian oil there (which hurts, as a Canadian)- it's illegal for Canada to reduce oil sales compared to last year due to NAFTA, the companies that extract the oil and own the reserves are mainly American owned, and nearly all pipeline capacity goes to the US. In 2023 they exported some 4 million barrels a day. To be a stickler for semantics, they don't consumer 95% of their production, they consume a little over half, export the rest, and import cheap heavy oil to make up the difference. Again, that's all light Permian Basin fracked crude. And most of it went to Europe (as with most of their LNG), which is why the US is Europe's largest supplier of NG and oil. So I expect them to supply Europe exactly as they are? I don't understand why you seem upset about this. Europe is the one who necessarily buys oil from dictatorships, like Russia.
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  2536. @karl-emilmadsen5032  Neither Puerto nor Guam nor the US Virgin islands have a single oil refinery. There isn't an oven to "bake the cake". They have no way to consume any crude they recieve; Puerto Rico does have a storage and shipment terminal, any oil sent to Puerto Rico is for re-export. I'm glad to see you are now agreeing they do produce more than they consume. But as you have pointed out, and I've explained, they are also a massive oil importer, largely from Canada, but also Mexico and to a lesser extent OPEC, almost all of which is very heavy crude. You need to count these imports towards their consumption as well as their production, they don't import for fun. And, for all intents and purposes, you can basically consider the Canadian oil there (which hurts, as a Canadian)- it's illegal for Canada to reduce oil sales compared to last year due to NAFTA, the companies that extract the oil and own the reserves are mainly American owned, and nearly all pipeline capacity goes to the US. In 2023 they exported some 4 million barrels a day. To be a stickler for semantics, they don't consumer 95% of their production, they consume a little over half, export the rest, and import cheap heavy oil to make up the difference. Again, that's all light Permian Basin fracked crude. And most of it went to Europe (as with most of their LNG), which is why the US is Europe's largest supplier of NG and oil. So I expect them to supply Europe exactly as they are? I don't understand why you seem upset about this. Europe is the one who necessarily buys oil from dictatorships, like Russia.
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  2547. @Bert, man, I'm the Canadian in the situation. You don't have to say I told you so, you already win. We're going to go into a depression, and you're going to make us work like Mexicans. You really don't need to be smug or talk to me about the pinch of being down $100 a month. You don't seem to understand how our economies interact. Mexico and Canada buy everything from you, and sell you raw resources or car parts. You buy those things, if it happens to be the cheapest option in the immediate area. Canada only sells you a fraction of your timber or iron, but it's all of our timber and iron exports, and all the equipment for industrial activity is bought from you. Yes tariffs cost money. Most taxes cost you a lot more money. This isn't going to cause an economic collapse *for you*. If you were spending $140 on imports a week, you're going to end up paying $14 in taxes and $150 overall, because everyone else needs access to your markets. Edit: like, do you understand how quickly Canada is going to implode. Russia being allowed to sell oil is going to kill oil prices, they'll flood the market with literally everything Canada sells (minerals, timber, fertilzer, iron, aluminum, nickle etc) they've been stockpiling because they can't sell, and our biggest trade partner is going to cut our trade with a goal of getting us to sell cheaper or deindustrialize, all while we fight a seperate trade war with the world's second largest economy you dragged us into. All because moderate or progressive Americans didn't show up to vote. And you want brag f off
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  2577. I think the points here are well made, but I don't think the issue is insurmountable; Red water saw cost overruns, but I would attribute much of that to delays in decisions moving forward. I think one of the biggest things to avoid such overruns is a larger scale build out; in the same way North American transit projects so often go over price. We need to build on experience and take the learnings of these builds. I would say that of course North America is well served, it is the Asian market we need to grow into. And if course Asian and US refiners dominate, we don't have any. But ultimately government actions are can help. An agreement to build pipeline capacity to Prince Rupert but not lift the crude oil ban on shipping would create a pressure to build refineries. And I do think there are areas government subsidies would be valid; capital subsidies on refineries to lower cost, and very high subsidies for green hydrogen to use in upgrading and SMRs to power the facilities, while benefiting oil, would be powerful in bringing our industry into the future. Ultimately, demand for certain products is falling much faster than others, and again looking at Red water we can specialize in those specific products. Edit: also, Transmountain has 500k bbl/d of Refined product capacity, and that's on the the original, paid off line. I would argue, as the government owns it, we should allow refined products to travel free if tolls to both limit crude shipments to the coast and so push up the value of that capacity, and incentivize refining in Alberta, which ultimately moves more product to coast. Also not addressed in the video, I believe DilBit exports should have an SCO mixing requirement into the dilutant that increases with time to lower demand for condensate and increase demand for SCO, both to preserve existing upgraders and drive demand into new.
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  2599. ​​ @bipl8989  I believe most of the NG comes out of the Montney, and is shale yes.. BC used to be a large conventional NG producer but I don't believe that's as relevant today - but I may be mistaken. Certainly some of it is condensate, but it is also tight liquids pumped. An "issue" the oilsands has had is that as dilutent is increasingly Domestic, it has been getting heavier and need a higher ratio of dilutent, largely because of the shale oil. I imagine some is also NGLs seperated at plant, but these also feed the Petrochemical industry that has been growing in Alberta, I don't know split between uses - it may be that more NGLs going to petrochemicals is also a part of increasing diluent API, my understanding is most NGLs go to petrochemicals, but I don't have metrics. I think Alberta may be the only market in the world the shale oil sells at a premium because of the SAGD demand; with the blow up in Bakken after 2010 I'm not sure how Midwest refineries have delt with the excess in light fractions; I've always assume the Dilutant in DilBit is a big part of why Bakken crude is struggles to find a market in the Midwest though. That said, I assume the Cokers aim to output a range of hydrocarbons that complement, and the mix of condensate and tight oil is probably less problematic then the flood of condensate coming out of the Permian (although I've also found it very hard to find the composition of Permian output). To the point on producing what sells; I'd make 3 points. One, from an environmental standpoint, I do not think we should encourage fracking: ground water, methane emissions, abandoned wells. I've made the point before but I think we should be pushing the oilsands to nuclear heating. Two, DilBit sells, but I don't believe the diluent is responsible. As you point out, it's actually a considerable issue, it just happens to be a necessity to access the Bitumen. Three, Today's market isn't tomorrows market, I believe EVs will destroy demand for gasoline, and further weaken demand for tight oil; whereas middle distillates will increasingly be under supplied. Even today I would suggest most Midwest refineries would rather bitumen and middle distillates, and mix Bakken as needed, then the tight oil/condensate/NGL dilutent they are forced to take. And to be clear, when I say Upgrade to Bitumen, I am talking about the Sturgeon falls upgrader. I think beyond selling DilBit, Canada should be using the Oilsands as a launching platform for SMRs and Green Hydrogen, and upgraders create a market for both. I also think little happens today in Venezuela; I know they invented the CSS/huff and puff that Coldwater later stole before SAGD started. And I believe Chevron was doing a solvent wash with exported US condensate.
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  2600. ​@bipl8989  I believe most of the NG comes out of the Montney, and is shale yes. BC used to be a large conventional NG producer but I don't believe that's as relevant today - but I may be mistaken.  Certainly some of it is condensate, but it is also tight liquids pumped. An "issue" the oilsands has had is that as dilutent is increasingly Domestic, it has been getting heavier and need a higher ratio of dilutent, largely because of the shale oil. I imagine some is also NGLs seperated at plant, but these also feed the Petrochemical industry that has been growing in Alberta, I don't know split between uses - it may be that more NGLs going to petrochemicals is also a part of increasing diluent API, my understanding is most NGLs go to petrochemicals, but I don't have metrics. I think Alberta may be the only market in the world the shale oil sells at a premium because of the SAGD demand; with the blow up in Bakken after 2010 I'm not sure how Midwest refineries have delt with the excess in light fractions; I've always assume the Dilutant in DilBit is a big part of why Bakken crude is struggles to find a market in the Midwest though. That said, I assume the Cokers aim to output a range of hydrocarbons that complement, and the mix of condensate and tight oil is probably less problematic then the flood of condensate coming out of the Permian (although I've also found it very hard to find the composition of Permian output).  To the point on producing what sells; I'd make 3 points. One, from an environmental standpoint, I do not think we should encourage fracking: ground water, methane emissions, abandoned wells. I've made the point before but I think we should be pushing the oilsands to nuclear heating. Two, DilBit sells, but I don't believe the diluent is responsible. As you point out, it's actually a considerable issue, it just happens to be a necessity to access the Bitumen. Three, Today's market isn't tomorrows market, I believe EVs will destroy demand for gasoline, and further weaken demand for tight oil; whereas middle distillates will increasingly be under supplied. Even today I would suggest most Midwest refineries would rather bitumen and middle distillates, and mix Bakken as needed, then the tight oil/condensate/NGL dilutent they are forced to take.  And to be clear, when I say Upgrade to Bitumen, I am talking about the Sturgeon falls upgrader. I think beyond selling DilBit, Canada should be using the Oilsands as a launching platform for SMRs and Green Hydrogen, and upgraders create a market for both.  I also think little happens today in Venezuela; I know they invented the CSS/huff and puff that Coldwater later stole before SAGD started. And I believe Chevron was doing a solvent wash with exported US condensate.
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  2604.  @markbaker6553  I promote a wide variety of projects. Admittedly, on this channel, it may appear I disproportionately advocate for fossil fuels, but that is only because other projects are directly discussed and I don't have anything else to contribute - and when I do, I most certainly add it. Since we've spoken a few times, let me clearly lay out what I want; I think LNG projects are almost entirely a waste of time, expect maybe seasonal exports out of Manitoba. I would like to see the Oil sands mining industry come to an end on a set 25 year time line where production quotas are slowly decreased before quickly decreasing, and quotas are allocated based on tail ponds reductions. The mines will close regardless, and I want this to be in a controlled manner that doesn't allow SynCrude (the company) to declare bankruptcy and stick us with their tailings ponds, and in the interim we should support policies that keep the mines operational to ensure this doesn't happen. I would like to see conventional drilling come to an end on a 10 year time line, supported by a massive funding boost to geothermal that maintains the capital and work force and allows us to be a global leader in the industry as China has with solar. I would like to see shale fracking come to an end on a 20-30 year time line, with the real controlling mechanism below; shale fracking provides our dilutant, our Natural gas, and our chemical industry inputs at the moment. I would like to see an increase of In Situ SAGD production in the oil sands, potentially to around 5-6M bbl/d. I think this should be a growth industry we support because it is unique to Canada and offers advantages to oil. I think we should be moving SAGD to nuclear steam generators over the next 10 years, cutting NG demand by ~20% of our production. This would make Oil Sands production effectively emissionsless, and make the marginal cost of production almost $0 allowing us to force out OPEC. I want to see the upgraders equipped with Nuclear heating as well, and transitioning to Green Hydrogen as the Alberta grid increases capacity. I want to see a blending requirement meant to increase upgraded Syncrude in DilBit over time to create a market for SynCrude, demand for investment into new upgraders, and push out Dilutent, until we are only selling SynBit, that is again, effectively emissionsless in production. These Upgraders will also act to grow employment in Fort McMurray and avoid a regional collapse from the eventual end of mining. I want to see 2 Northern Gateway pipelines built consecutively, to bring 1M bbl/d to Prince Rupert, for a total of 3M bbl/d reaching the Pacific. And alongside that, I want to see a 300k bbl/d refinery, Bitumen beyond combustion uses such as asphalt and carbon fiber, and a large scale petrochemical industry including Gasoline cracking units to adsorb light fractions without a global market. I want to see a TransCanada line capable of bringing 2M bbl/d east, providing oil security to the 1M bbl/d Eastern Canada uses, and working with Europe to find a long term market for the other 1M bbl/d in East coast exports. I think this line should only be allowed to carry SynCrude, or potentially synCrude with a low blend of Bitumen such that the mix floats. Beyond that, I want to see further upgraders that target an even lighter crude that can feed the Chemical industry, pushing out NGLs from shale fracking. I want to see Gasifiers turning Bitumen into Natural gas, supplying NG for LNG exports or power generation or domestic heat. Again, using SMRs for nuclear heat to power the process, creating a continuously expanding domestic market for us to develop as a global leader in SMRs, and meaning that our gasified Bitumen is lower emissions than conventional NG. The time line for this ultimately decides when shale fracking is ended Finally, I want to see Power to Gas slowly worked into this system, which is increasingly dominated by the upgrading process, so that the NG is increasingly reducing emissions, leveraging the existing gasifier and green hydrogen infrastructure. Overtime, as NG demand is met, I want to see that transition to Power to Liquids infrastructure, feeding the chemical industry, and whatever RRP demand is maintained. Eventually, also supplying Asphaltenes for Carbon Fiber and beyond Bitumen uses. I think this point can be reached likely in the 2060-2070 range, and fully converting our petrochemical and NG industries to electrically powered renewable industries; and allowing Alberta to export it's enormous renewable capacity as material and liquid energy products using nuclear heating and cheap green hydrogen. I do not want to see a sudden collapse of Canada's largest industry and largest source of export revenue. I do not want to see mines and tailing ponds being abandoned and destroying the Athabasca river. I do not want to see drilling rigs being sold, with a 25% tariff, to the US as the owners write off their value in a low price environment. I do not want to see the Government of Albertas revenue collapse, or mass unemployment centered on Fort McMurray; both because I don't want to see Canadian losing their job and home value, and also because I suspect those particular Canadians will make my life very difficult if they do, either occupying Ottawa or trying to Seperate. I do not want to see us missing an enormous opportunity to leverage our resources and expertise to encourage new industries like nuclear, geothermal, or power to gas that we could take a dominant global position in. And I truly detest the excessive concern with carbon emissions related to the Oils sands in the near term. Canada is not a meaningful portion of global emissions, and the oil industry is a controlled supply market - we are incapable of adding to global emissions with a higher oil supply because OPEC will adjust their supply to control prices. China did and is not developing its next generation technology by worrying about emissions in the near or medium term. We should not either. We can be far more beneficial to the world by actually planning on responsibly developing our resources instead of absurd political signals like an emissions cap or some belief that closing the oilsands will somehow benefit anyone. This is politically and economically dangerous.
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  2605.  @markbaker6553  but I don't agree there is an opportunity cost in any meaningful sense, I don't believe for a moment building Northern Gateway limits the development of the Ring of Fire or Battery manufacturing or Wind Turbine production in Gaspe or data serve farms etc. In fact I believe these are all beneficial to each other. Low employment is another term for highly productive. I have seen no argument there are bad economics, certainly not that the economics are worse than allowing the status quo where the US can turn off the oil supply to Canada's largest population center or push down the price of oil as it desires. I agree Smith is the AntiTrudeau. They are the two worst politicians in Canada imo, followed probably by PP. Nothing but virtue signals and blind devotion to particular industries to the point of needlessly attacking others. I don't mean to be disingenuous. I am simply trying to highlight you are holding fossil fuel development to a different standard than other projects, and that I don't believe it is on economic grounds, and I don't believe it is good policy from any perspective. And my top comment was also along these lines, the fact people don't want the industry representing a quarter of our exports entirely at the mercy of an economically hostile government is not a lazer focus. Canadians have not stopped wanting wind and battery development. Any political support for the oil sands is not to the detriment of other industry. Again, we agree with each other that LNG is a poor investment. The main political benefit is it allows Alberta to decarbonize without shutting down the drilling industry which is the governments fear.
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  2606.  @markbaker6553  my reply was evidently to long so I'm breaking it up;   I promote a wide variety of projects. Admittedly, on this channel, it may appear I disproportionately advocate for fossil fuels, but that is only because other projects are directly discussed and I don't have anything else to contribute - and when I do, I most certainly add it. Since we've spoken a few times, let me clearly lay out what I want; I think LNG projects are almost entirely a waste of time, expect maybe seasonal exports out of Manitoba. I would like to see the Oil sands mining industry come to an end on a set 25 year time line where production quotas are slowly decreased before quickly decreasing, and quotas are allocated based on tail ponds reductions. The mines will close regardless, and I want this to be in a controlled manner that doesn't allow SynCrude (the company) to declare bankruptcy and stick us with their tailings ponds, and in the interim we should support policies that keep the mines operational to ensure this doesn't happen. I would like to see conventional drilling come to an end on a 10 year time line, supported by a massive funding boost to geothermal that maintains the capital and work force and allows us to be a global leader in the industry as China has with solar. I would like to see shale fracking come to an end on a 20-30 year time line, with the real controlling mechanism below; shale fracking provides our dilutant, our Natural gas, and our chemical industry inputs at the moment..
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  2607.  @markbaker6553  I would like to see an increase of In Situ SAGD production in the oil sands, potentially to around 5-6M bbl/d. I think this should be a growth industry we support because it is unique to Canada and offers advantages to oil. I think we should be moving SAGD to nuclear steam generators over the next 10 years, cutting NG demand by ~20% of our production. This would make Oil Sands production effectively emissionsless, and make the marginal cost of production almost $0 allowing us to force out OPEC. I want to see the upgraders equipped with Nuclear heating as well, and transitioning to Green Hydrogen as the Alberta grid increases capacity. I want to see a blending requirement meant to increase upgraded Syncrude in DilBit over time to create a market for SynCrude, demand for investment into new upgraders, and push out Dilutent, until we are only selling SynBit, that is again, effectively emissionsless in production. These Upgraders will also act to grow employment in Fort McMurray and avoid a regional collapse from the eventual end of mining. I want to see 2 Northern Gateway pipelines built consecutively, to bring 1M bbl/d to Prince Rupert, for a total of 3M bbl/d reaching the Pacific. And alongside that, I want to see a 300k bbl/d refinery, Bitumen beyond combustion uses such as asphalt and carbon fiber, and a large scale petrochemical industry including Gasoline cracking units to adsorb light fractions without a global market. I want to see a TransCanada line capable of bringing 2M bbl/d east, providing oil security to the 1M bbl/d Eastern Canada uses, and working with Europe to find a long term market for the other 1M bbl/d in East coast exports. I think this line should only be allowed to carry SynCrude, or potentially synCrude with a low blend of Bitumen such that the mix floats..
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  2609.  @markbaker6553  I do not want to see a sudden collapse of Canada's largest industry and largest source of export revenue. I do not want to see mines and tailing ponds being abandoned and destroying the Athabasca river. I do not want to see drilling rigs being sold, with a 25% tariff, to the US as the owners write off their value in a low price environment. I do not want to see the Government of Albertas revenue collapse, or mass unemployment centered on Fort McMurray; both because I don't want to see Canadian losing their job and home value, and also because I suspect those particular Canadians will make my life very difficult if they do, either occupying Ottawa or trying to Seperate. I do not want to see us missing an enormous opportunity to leverage our resources and expertise to encourage new industries like nuclear, geothermal, or power to gas that we could take a dominant global position in. And I truly detest the excessive concern with carbon emissions related to the Oils sands in the near term. Canada is not a meaningful portion of global emissions, and the oil industry is a controlled supply market - we are incapable of adding to global emissions with a higher oil supply because OPEC will adjust their supply to control prices. China did and is not developing its next generation technology by worrying about emissions in the near or medium term. We should not either. We can be far more beneficial to the world by actually planning on responsibly developing our resources instead of absurd political signals like an emissions cap or some belief that closing the oilsands will somehow benefit anyone. This is politically and economically dangerous..
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  2610. @markbaker6553  I promote a wide variety of projects. Admittedly, on this channel, it may appear I disproportionately advocate for fossil fuels, but that is only because other projects are directly discussed and I don't have anything else to contribute - and when I do, I most certainly add it. Since we've spoken a few times, let me clearly lay out what I want; I think LNG projects are almost entirely a waste of time, expect maybe seasonal exports out of Manitoba. I would like to see the Oil sands mining industry come to an end on a set 25 year time line where production quotas are slowly decreased before quickly decreasing, and quotas are allocated based on tail ponds reductions. The mines will close regardless, and I want this to be in a controlled manner that doesn't allow SynCrude (the company) to declare bankruptcy and stick us with their tailings ponds, and in the interim we should support policies that keep the mines operational to ensure this doesn't happen. I would like to see conventional drilling come to an end on a 10 year time line, supported by a massive funding boost to geothermal that maintains the capital and work force and allows us to be a global leader in the industry as China has with solar. I would like to see shale fracking come to an end on a 20-30 year time line, with the real controlling mechanism below; shale fracking provides our dilutant, our Natural gas, and our chemical industry inputs at the moment. I would like to see an increase of In Situ SAGD production in the oil sands, potentially to around 5-6M bbl/d. I think this should be a growth industry we support because it is unique to Canada and offers advantages to oil. I think we should be moving SAGD to nuclear steam generators over the next 10 years, cutting NG demand by ~20% of our production. This would make Oil Sands production effectively emissionsless, and make the marginal cost of production almost $0 allowing us to force out OPEC. I want to see the upgraders equipped with Nuclear heating as well, and transitioning to Green Hydrogen as the Alberta grid increases capacity. I want to see a blending requirement meant to increase upgraded Syncrude in DilBit over time to create a market for SynCrude, demand for investment into new upgraders, and push out Dilutent, until we are only selling SynBit, that is again, effectively emissionsless in production. These Upgraders will also act to grow employment in Fort McMurray and avoid a regional collapse from the eventual end of mining. I want to see 2 Northern Gateway pipelines built consecutively, to bring 1M bbl/d to Prince Rupert, for a total of 3M bbl/d reaching the Pacific. And alongside that, I want to see a 300k bbl/d refinery, Bitumen beyond combustion uses such as asphalt and carbon fiber, and a large scale petrochemical industry including Gasoline cracking units to adsorb light fractions without a global market. I want to see a TransCanada line capable of bringing 2M bbl/d east, providing oil security to the 1M bbl/d Eastern Canada uses, and working with Europe to find a long term market for the other 1M bbl/d in East coast exports. I think this line should only be allowed to carry SynCrude, or potentially synCrude with a low blend of Bitumen such that the mix floats. Beyond that, I want to see further upgraders that target an even lighter crude that can feed the Chemical industry, pushing out NGLs from shale fracking. I want to see Gasifiers turning Bitumen into Natural gas, supplying NG for LNG exports or power generation or domestic heat. Again, using SMRs for nuclear heat to power the process, creating a continuously expanding domestic market for us to develop as a global leader in SMRs, and meaning that our gasified Bitumen is lower emissions than conventional NG. The time line for this ultimately decides when shale fracking is ended Finally, I want to see Power to Gas slowly worked into this system, which is increasingly dominated by the upgrading process, so that the NG is increasingly reducing emissions, leveraging the existing gasifier and green hydrogen infrastructure. Overtime, as NG demand is met, I want to see that transition to Power to Liquids infrastructure, feeding the chemical industry, and whatever RRP demand is maintained. Eventually, also supplying Asphaltenes for Carbon Fiber and beyond Bitumen uses. I think this point can be reached likely in the 2060-2070 range, and fully converting our petrochemical and NG industries to electrically powered renewable industries; and allowing Alberta to export it's enormous renewable capacity as material and liquid energy products using nuclear heating and cheap green hydrogen. I do not want to see a sudden collapse of Canada's largest industry and largest source of export revenue. I do not want to see mines and tailing ponds being abandoned and destroying the Athabasca river. I do not want to see drilling rigs being sold, with a 25% tariff, to the US as the owners write off their value in a low price environment. I do not want to see the Government of Albertas revenue collapse, or mass unemployment centered on Fort McMurray; both because I don't want to see Canadian losing their job and home value, and also because I suspect those particular Canadians will make my life very difficult if they do, either occupying Ottawa or trying to Seperate. I do not want to see us missing an enormous opportunity to leverage our resources and expertise to encourage new industries like nuclear, geothermal, or power to gas that we could take a dominant global position in. And I truly detest the excessive concern with carbon emissions related to the Oils sands in the near term. Canada is not a meaningful portion of global emissions, and the oil industry is a controlled supply market - we are incapable of adding to global emissions with a higher oil supply because OPEC will adjust their supply to control prices. China did and is not developing its next generation technology by worrying about emissions in the near or medium term. We should not either. We can be far more beneficial to the world by actually planning on responsibly developing our resources instead of absurd political signals like an emissions cap or some belief that closing the oilsands will somehow benefit anyone. This is politically and economically dangerous..
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