Comments by "ARK CON" (@arkcon714) on "Delta variant turfs US back-to-work plans as hospitals fill up with unvaccinated patients" video.
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@Dee Richardz I won't admit I'm wrong because I'm not wrong. Why can't you admit you are wrong? Are the studies on masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, they are not
Did I say the studies were not about masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, the studies were not on masks and viruses
Okay can we move past this? You were wrong, I was right. The studies were not on masks AND viruses.
Now to move on to your other nonsense does every study in a meta analysis have to be about the same thing? No the vast majority has to be, but shouldn't at least one of the cited studies be about masks and viruses? Why do they not list the dozens and dozens of studies from multiple countries around the world stretching back decades showing masks do not stop or slow viruses? Remember when I provided that NIH paper on bias in meta analysis? Explain how this is not the most biased piece of nonsense you have ever read? This is the poster child for biased nonsense. Even if they listed a few of the RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses and listed at least one showing they do at least you could pretend it's somewhat objective but they make "factual" statements saying masks help against community spread with zero evidence. We have piles of counter evidence showing they do not work, we have as much evidence as we have about anything really, very well established with multiple well structured RCTs from around the world all of which get similar results. You are here calling everyone anti science and can't find a single piece of scientific evidence that even remotely agrees with you in fact I use your own sources to destroy your narrative.
I meta analysis certainly can make reference to viruses being airborne but need to include something about a mask stopping it or when you say a mask helps it is relevant. When you breath the air is escaping and the way areosoled viruses work isn't from being spit on, it's from micro particles that you exhale, these go right through cloth and medical masks and this is no secret. This is why no virologist on the planet would go into an infectious disease laboratory with a surgical mask. It's why hospitals set up low pressure environments for truly deadly diseases and wear a hasmat suit. It's incredible that you need this explained to you but yes a meta analysis on mask efficacy against corona needs to have at least one study that says masks stop viruses. They can't ignore the myriad of valid RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses, throw in studies about aerosolized viruses and say see, wear a mask.
I'll give you another example. I can't show a study on how losing weight make you safer from covid (it does) and then say this proves you shouldn't wear a mask.
I can't make it any easier then that for you
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@Dee Richardz Israel has become the Covid capital of the world despite leading the charge on vaccines, in a clear warning sign that Britain, the US and other highly-immunised nations are still vulnerable to another wave.
Stats compiled by Oxford University-backed research team Our World in Data shows there were a record 1,892 Covid cases per million people in Israel on Wednesday — nearly 0.2 per cent of the entire population in a single day.
That was significantly higher than second worst-hit Mongolia, where the rate was 1,119 per million, and double the figures for Kosovo (980), Georgia (976) and Montenegro (909), which rounded out the top five.
The figure only looks at one day’s worth of tests and Israel’s high rate is thought to have been driven up by a huge testing push ahead of schools reopening there.
But the country has consistently reported some of the highest infection rates in the world since mid-August amid an unprecedented third wave, despite being one of the most vaccinated nations in the world.
For comparison, 522 people per million in the UK tested positive yesterday and the figure was closer to 595 in the US. It suggests protection gained from vaccines is starting to buckle in the face of the highly-transmissible Delta variant.
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@Dee Richardz I won't admit I'm wrong because I'm not wrong. Why can't you admit you are wrong? Are the studies on masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, they are not
Did I say the studies were not about masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, the studies were not on masks and viruses and I soad they were not on masks and viruses
Okay can we move past this? You were wrong, I was right. The studies were not on masks AND viruses.
Now to move on to your other nonsense does every study in a meta analysis have to be about the same thing? No the vast majority does have to be, but shouldn't at least one of the cited studies be about masks and viruses? Why do they not list the dozens and dozens of studies from multiple countries around the world stretching back decades showing masks do not stop or slow viruses? Remember when I provided that NIH paper on bias in meta analysis? Explain how this is not the most biased piece of nonsense you have ever read? This is the poster child for biased nonsense. Even if they listed a few of the RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses and listed at least one showing they do at least you could pretend it's somewhat objective but they make "factual" statements saying masks help against community spread with zero evidence. We have piles of counter evidence showing they do not work, we have as much evidence as we have about anything really, very well established with multiple well structured RCTs from around the world all of which get similar results. You are here calling everyone anti science and can't find a single piece of scientific evidence that even remotely agrees with you in fact I use your own sources to destroy your narrative.
I meta analysis certainly can make reference to viruses being airborne but need to include something about a mask stopping it or when you say a mask helps it is relevant. When you breath the air is escaping and the way areosoled viruses work isn't from being spit on, it's from micro particles that you exhale, these go right through cloth and medical masks and this is no secret. This is why no virologist on the planet would go into an infectious disease laboratory with a surgical mask. It's why hospitals set up low pressure environments for truly deadly diseases and wear a hasmat suit. It's incredible that you need this explained to you but yes a meta analysis on mask efficacy against corona needs to have at least one study that says masks stop viruses. They can't ignore the myriad of valid RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses, throw in studies about aerosolized viruses and say see, wear a mask.
I'll give you another example. I can't show a study on how losing weight make you safer from covid (it does) and then say this proves you shouldn't wear a mask.
I can't make it any easier then that for you
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@Dee Richardz hahahahaha hey Dee, did you see how I destroyed the nonsense you posted using said nonsense? Would you like me to post a few of the greatest hits from your latest Google ninja crusade?
Results: A total of 3030 participants were randomly assigned to the recommendation to wear masks, and 2994 were assigned to control; 4862 completed the study. Infection with SARS-CoV-2 occurred in 42 participants recommended masks (1.8%) and 53 control participants (2.1%). The between-group difference was -0.3 percentage point (95% CI, -1.2 to 0.4 percentage point; P = 0.38) (odds ratio, 0.82 [CI, 0.54 to 1.23]; P = 0.33). Multiple imputation accounting for loss to follow-up yielded similar results. Although the difference observed was not statistically significant
Remember these are your sources, not mine
Results
A total of 19 randomised controlled trials were included in this study – 8 in community settings, 6 in healthcare settings and 5 as source control. Most of these randomised controlled trials used different interventions and outcome measures. In the community, masks appeared to be effective with and without hand hygiene, and both together are more protective. Randomised controlled trials in health care workers showed that respirators, if worn continually during a shift, were effective but not if worn intermittently. Medical masks were not effective, and cloth masks even less effective.
Remember.....your sources
Results
We identified 172 studies for our systematic review from 16 countries across six continents (figure 1; appendix pp 6–14, 41–47). Studies were all observational in nature; no randomised trials were identified of any interventions that directly addressed the included study populations. Of the 172 studies, 66 focused on how far a virus can travel by comparing the association of different distances on virus transmission to people (appendix pp 42–44). Of these 66 studies, five were mechanistic, assessing viral RNA, virions, or both cultured from the environment of an infected patient (appendix p 45).
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@Dee Richardz I won't admit I'm wrong because I'm not wrong. Why can't you admit you are wrong? Are the studies on masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, they are not
Did I say the studies were not about masks and viruses? Yes or no?
The answer is no, the studies were not on masks and viruses
Okay can we move past this? You were wrong, I was right. The studies were not on masks AND viruses.
Now to move on to your other nonsense does every study in a meta analysis have to be about the same thing? No the vast majority has to be, but shouldn't at least one of the cited studies be about masks and viruses? Why do they not list the dozens and dozens of studies from multiple countries around the world stretching back decades showing masks do not stop or slow viruses? Remember when I provided that NIH paper on bias in meta analysis? Explain how this is not the most biased piece of nonsense you have ever read? This is the poster child for biased nonsense. Even if they listed a few of the RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses and listed at least one showing they do at least you could pretend it's somewhat objective but they make "factual" statements saying masks help against community spread with zero evidence. We have piles of counter evidence showing they do not work, we have as much evidence as we have about anything really, very well established with multiple well structured RCTs from around the world all of which get similar results. You are here calling everyone anti science and can't find a single piece of scientific evidence that even remotely agrees with you in fact I use your own sources to destroy your narrative.
I meta analysis certainly can make reference to viruses being airborne but need to include something about a mask stopping it or when you say a mask helps it is relevant. When you breath the air is escaping and the way areosoled viruses work isn't from being spit on, it's from micro particles that you exhale, these go right through cloth and medical masks and this is no secret. This is why no virologist on the planet would go into an infectious disease laboratory with a surgical mask. It's why hospitals set up low pressure environments for truly deadly diseases and wear a hasmat suit. It's incredible that you need this explained to you but yes a meta analysis on mask efficacy against corona needs to have at least one study that says masks stop viruses. They can't ignore the myriad of valid RCTs that show masks do not stop viruses, throw in studies about aerosolized viruses and say see, wear a mask.
I'll give you another example. I can't show a study on how losing weight make you safer from covid (it does) and then say this proves you shouldn't wear a mask.
I can't make it any easier then that for you
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@Dee Richardz hahahahahahahahahaha
1) who cares what a headline says, does the reporter choose what is a war or not? I also informed you how the united states hasn't "declared war" since 1942 so is it your position that the US hasn't been in a war since 1942 because they haven't officially "declared war" also only congress can "declare war" so you'll never find any headline anywhere saying a president "declared war" because that's not in the presidents power! Hahahahaha poor Dee
2) You haven't provided an RCT and clearly you don't know what an RCT is because what you posted was a meta analysis that didn't include a single study on masks and viruses but you can prove me wrong by posting it right now, I'll wait....
Nothing? Moving on...
3) yes, you praised Australia's response, still think they are doing a good job? Hahahahahaha poor Dee
4) I am the only one that was able to state vaccination rates and I showed you how in Isreal you are not fully vaxxed until you have 3 shots which is true and the point was Isreal had a higher vaccination rate then Sweden and they did and still do. These are facts and facts don't care about your feelings
I never went silent, like every thread I find you on I own you and you just retreat into repeating debunked talking points like you did on the last thread
So, in conclusion
Obama did start a war in Libya, that is an undeniable fact, your only rebuttal was to say find a headline that says that which is of course nonsense for the president can't "declare war" and the US hasn't declared war since 1942 so according to your nonsense the US hasn't been in a war since 1942
You have yet to provide a single RCT and you'll prove that once again by not posting an RCT
Yes, you praised Australia's pandemic response saying it wasn't taking away freedoms, still believe that?
I proved to you that you are not fully vaccinated in Isreal unless you have 3 shots which you only response to was "well the global standard is 2 shots"
Run back to your safe space before I smite you again with facts and logic
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@erikberard3974 watch the Project Veritas videos, those are verified Pfizer scientists that worked on the vaccine admitting on undercover video it's really not effective and delta is really being driven by the vaccine wearing off while natural immunity is far superior
I mean what else do you need? Seriously ask yourself that question. Who cares what they say in a press conference they are saying in private the vaccines don't work. That's what they are saying, why do you believe these pharmaceutical companies that are apparently constantly having training and seminars with all their employees to not reveal the truth (also admitted on the video) why are all of a sudden these very bad companies suddenly deserving of your undying loyalty?
What would it take? What if we had video of fauci himself saying "I made it all up" what would be enough for you? If you are honest with yourself about this question, which you won't be, but of you were you'd realize that this is now your new religion. You have unquestioned loyalty to the state and pharmaceutical companies, no amount of people being caught on hidden tape will change your mind, no no, not you! You pledge allegiance to Pfizer and comrade Trudeau and all they say is just and holy. I fall to my knees oh great Pfizer that in 2009 settled the largest medical fraud case in history for billions of dollars, of great Pfizer that is making more money in profit then any company, oh Justin going surfing on his made up holiday, no matter, these people are deities you see that deserve our respec....nay, they deserve our worship for they are truly God's among men.
In fauci's name amen
Womp, womp
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@Dee Richardz hahahahahahahahahaha
1) who cares what a headline says, does the reporter choose what is a war or not? I also informed you how the united states hasn't "declared war" since 1942 so is it your position that the US hasn't been in a war since 1942 because they haven't officially "declared war" also only congress can "declare war" so you'll never find any headline anywhere saying a president "declared war" because that's not in the presidents power! Hahahahaha poor Dee
2) You haven't provided an RCT and clearly you don't know what an RCT is because what you posted was a meta analysis that didn't include a single study on masks and viruses but you can prove me wrong by posting it right now, I'll wait....
Nothing? Moving on...
3) yes, you praised Australia's response, still think they are doing a good job? Hahahahahaha poor Dee
4) I am the only one that was able to state vaccination rates and I showed you how in Isreal you are not fully vaxxed until you have 3 shots which is true and the point was Isreal had a higher vaccination rate then Sweden and they did and still do. These are facts and facts don't care about your feelings
I never went silent, like every thread I find you on I own you and you just retreat into repeating debunked talking points like you did on the last thread
So, in conclusion
Obama did start a war in Libya, that is an undeniable fact, your only rebuttal was to say find a headline that says that which is of course nonsense for the president can't "declare war" and the US hasn't declared war since 1942 so according to your nonsense the US hasn't been in a war since 1942
You have yet to provide a single RCT and you'll prove that once again by not posting an RCT
Yes, you praised Australia's pandemic response saying it wasn't taking away freedoms, still believe that?
I proved to you that you are not fully vaccinated in Isreal unless you have 3 shots which you only response to was "well the global standard is 2 shots"
Run back to your safe space before I smite you again with facts and logic
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@Dee Richardz The Obama Administration Wrecked Libya for a Generation
Such is the cost of America’s promiscuous war‐making
JANUARY 10, 2020 • COMMENTARY
ongoing destruction belongs to Hillary Clinton more than anyone else. It was she who pushed President Barack Obama to launch his splendid little war, backing the overthrow of Moammar Gaddafi in the name of protecting Libya’s civilians. When later asked about Gaddafi’s death, she cackled and exclaimed: “We came, we saw, he died.”
Alas, his was not the last death in that conflict, which has flared anew, turning Libya into a real‐life Game of Thrones. An artificial country already suffering from deep regional divisions, Libya has been further torn apart by political and religious differences. One commander fighting on behalf of the Government of National Accord (GNA), Salem Bin Ismail, told the BBC: “We have had chaos since 2011.”
There you go little fella, CATO Institute
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@Dee Richardz The Obama Administration Wrecked Libya for a Generation
Such is the cost of America’s promiscuous war‐making
JANUARY 10, 2020 • COMMENTARY
ongoing destruction belongs to Hillary Clinton more than anyone else. It was she who pushed President Barack Obama to launch his splendid little war, backing the overthrow of Moammar Gaddafi in the name of protecting Libya’s civilians. When later asked about Gaddafi’s death, she cackled and exclaimed: “We came, we saw, he died.”
Alas, his was not the last death in that conflict, which has flared anew, turning Libya into a real‐life Game of Thrones. An artificial country already suffering from deep regional divisions, Libya has been further torn apart by political and religious differences. One commander fighting on behalf of the Government of National Accord (GNA), Salem Bin Ismail, told the BBC: “We have had chaos since 2011.”
Tell everyone how this isn't a headline because it's commentary! Hahahahahahahaahahahaha
Poor Dee
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