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@sbor2020 Yes the many of them are roll overs. Why would we not agree them again we agreed them while we were in the EU. This proved we did not need to be in the EU to make those deals, we did not need collective leverage that dilutes our say, no country saw us as a soft touch because we were not part of a bigger block and tried to squeeze us for a better deal once we left. It also demonstrated just how easy those other countries were prepared to make a deal compared to the EU who dragged it out for years and demanded we pay them to trade in their block when they do far more trade with us than we do with them. We should have insisted on a free trade deal and if they refuse which is their right bang tariffs on their exports to us and keep the 350m a month. They would have soon changed their mind and if they didn't well so be it we would make a fortune on tariffs
Of coarse those deals with Australia and NZ have been criticised as being more beneficial to Australia and NZ than the UK by Remainers but what else can they do. They said we were too small to make deals so when we did they said they were bad deals but they didn't say we would make bad deals they said we could not make any deals. Trade to Australia is up 10% this year so far according to the last figures considerably better than the EU and that's part of what this is about. The UK needs multiple partners and friends around the world not one big friend who can ruin us because they chose to or because they wreck their own economy and drag us down with them.
Returning to your collective leverage argument which I think I already dismissed in my previous post and this one. We did not need the collective leverage to roll over trade deals, make new ones with Au or NZ Japan Canada CPTPP or with US states Indiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Utah, Washington, Florida, Texas, with others in the pipeline but the election got in the way. And I think I pointed out our biggest trade partner was the USA without a trade deal at all so how necessary are they and that a potential trade with the USA was dismissed by Mrs May but we could have had one she didn't want to try.
You have shown me nothing to say the quality of the trade deals we have made were poor but you mentioned Australia. Well Trade is up 10%. What if Australia is up 20% with us. Is that so bad presumably they are selling us stuff we want and at cheaper prices than we can get from just across the channel or we would buy from across the channel.
Take Wetherspoons (900 pubs 50 hotels) they stopped buying continental wines and now support UK and New World wines because European (French mostly) are to expensive and better wines can be bought elsewhere. France is returning to the bad old days of wine lakes and the government is paying producers to destroy their wines! And the government looking to close vineyards for good paying compensation to their owners. Meanwhile UK wine producing is going from strength to strength with 1030 Vineyards 87 of them opening just last year
Wouldn't it be worth considering we have only left the EU nearly five years ago. The EU banned us from making trade deals until we left so we could not prepare very well. The remain uk parliament banned us from leaving the EU without a deal with the EU removing any leverage at all we might have had in negotiations, remainers gave away 350m a month for nothing in return, that leaving was always going to be a bit rocky at first but more so as we were hit by a pandemic and then a war that caused fuel prices to go up and a world recession and yet we are still doing just as well as we were before Brexit relative to our competitors and similar countries in size and economy to us like France and throughout this time we have had governments that refuse to do the things people who believe in Brexit want because they didn't believe in Brexit
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@BUFUmic The trade deals (you call them what you want) are better than anything the EU has and could have been a full trade deal with the whole of the USA were it not for Theresa May turning down the opportunity to make a full deal because she wanted to remain aligned to the EU for and easy return. The arrogance of her. One of the worst PMs we have ever had and she cost us a fortune
Our own farmers are always complaining often with good reason. At the moment they are complaining about inheritance tax, Net Zero, Supermarket Cartels not AU and NZ trade deals and in the crazy world we live in whilst imports of red meat into the UK are up so are our exports especially to the EU. I think our farmers are still happy not to be in the EU where famers are being told to cull their animals and plant less crops and sell their farms signing agreements never to farm again. Have you been watching the farmers protests in the Netherlands, Poland, Belgium where the police shot a farmer, Germany, Spain, France, Portugal, Ireland, Italy. They have been blocking airports ports motorways but my favorite protests are when the French farmers decurtate French government buildings by spraying them with manure.
No I think the EU is making it hard for us and itself. Unfortunately our government at the moment loves to atone for the crime of leaving the EU and is happy to suffer rather than stand up for itself and was throughout negations on leaving. We gave away the 350m a month for nothing in return when we had no legal obligation to do so and I think you need to explain your claim a bit more that we wrote the rules on leaving the EU. We were well within our rights to leave on WTO rules it just the remain government didn't have the bottle to do it and actually made it illegal to do it
You guys worship EU standards on this and that when the countries in the EU itself don't even meet many of those standards. Its all very well writing them down in law but it everyone ignores them they don't really count. You say our standards will drop if we have a trade deal with the USA but you have not even seen the deal. You just hope they will drop so you can say you were right
What you seem to have missed is that the UK and EU are still trading happily now we have left the EU and we didn't have to be in the EU to trade with it
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