Comments by "yessum15" (@yessum15) on "Corey Gil-Shuster" channel.

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  18.  @blahblahboii  "But thousands of ABS were recorded migrating" Not sure how this is relevant. Any indigenous group in a larger empire experiences migration. There are indigenous Egyptians despite the fact that there was a ton of traffic in & out of the Nile Valley. How odd would it be for a group of New Yorkers to randomly annex a section of Cairo on the claim that their ancient ancestors likely originated in this region thousands of years ago. And then use the argument that there was traffic during the Ancient Egyptian empire to deny the indigenousness of Egyptians who had been living in the region for as long as we have records? You are essentially doing the same thing. The indigenous PLSN and JSH people of the region are well known and well documented as having lived there for generations. They are distinct from the recent set of Europeans who showed up in the 20th and 21st Century on a mission to take the land. That first group are the indigenous people and that second group is not. It's not complicated. "Half are Egy the other half are SD" It's odd that you would use a quote to prove a fact that even you do not believe in. We obviously both know that this is rhetorical flourish in a speech aimed at getting financial support from EGY and SD. We also both know that factually speaking not every PLSN is from either of these places. As there are many closer neighboring countries in the region. The speaker himself contradicts this point moments later by pointing out that only 30 families can trace any ancestry to EGY. Again, because this speech is not a geographic survey but rather a rhetorical appeal to a vague pan-ABism. However, given that both EGY & SD have existed for thousands of years the notion of indigenous PLSN people having ancestry from either place isn't really surprising. Again, it does nothing to undermine their indigenousness. You might want to avoid using MEMRI as a source since it is not credible. "But the League of Nations recognized JSH people as the indigenous" It didn't. Did you actually read the mandate? The mandate refers to the future goal of establishing a state for JSH people here. It doesn't claim that they're indigenous. In fact, quite the opposite. It notes specifically that there are a people already living here who are not JSH. In other words, the mandate notes that the land is already inhabited by an indigenous people, but intends on establishing a JSH state there anyway, given that the recent JSH migrants have a historical connection (which of course is not the same as being indigenous). This makes sense of course since the mandate intended on creating a state available to all JSH people and it would be very silly indeed for the mandate to claim that people all over Europe who have never seen the new land, have no relatives or family in the land and haven't even moved there yet are somehow "indigenous". "This is a pro gen statement" Not really. If we can stop a gen in progress I'm all for it. If we can restore a family to the land it was removed from I'm all for it. If we can offer compensation for people who had a gen done against them I also like that. But when we talk about ancient migrations that occurred thousands of years ago, none of that is possible or desirable. Namely because none of these people or their families are even around any more and there is no record to even determine what happened to who. The reason contemporary JSH people don't have a connection to the ancient people of ISRL is because they're a different people now. They have lived in Europe as indigenous people for a thousand years. Their families are already intertwined with European families. There is no way to tell how any of them got there. Who moved voluntarily and who didn't. It would be like trying to determine which Swedish people migrated out of North Africa willingly and which were made to leave due to ancient wars. Do you intend on establishing a Swedish state in Sudan? So you see. This is not pro gen. This is simply stating that there of course must be some reasonable cut off point beyond which we do not attempt to litigate. A good cut off point is to say that once it has been so long that there is no still alive who is even distantly related to the people who experienced the hardship, we move on.
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  20.  @blahblahboii  "The Mandate's historical connection" The Mandate is a legal document. The words are selected carefully. If they refrained from calling the land the historical home land of the JSH people. Or calling them indigenous it was on purpose. Citing a vague "historical connection" was done specifically so as not to commit to any particular claim of what that connection is given the obvious silliness of the claim. Imagine a group of African-Americans suddenly annexing Senegal. Their claim would be infinitely stronger given that this was only 300 years ago and we still have records. Yet every international legal authority would immediately label the claim as an utterly ridiculous excuse for US expansion. Now compare that to a bunch of European colonists invading an inhabited land they never saw before based on the vague notion that thousands of years ago there may have been someone living here who had the same religion as me. Not a family member, not a friend. Just somebody. Thus the ambiguous term "historical connection". "You just said you're for gen" No. Poor reading comperehnsion. "All of this too will become something that occurred thousands of years ago." Yes. That's how time works. "The Romans & Greeks kept very good records." Not really. There's no JSH person today who can go to PLSN and say "Yes, this was my family's plot of land thousands of years ago." This is one of the many reasons we don't litigate ancient grievances that are suddenly and conveniently rediscovered by contemporary people who are in all practical manner totally unconnected to them. "I'd like to see you tell indigenous Australians they're not" If they leave for a thousand years and have no connection to Australia? Sure. I doubt anyone would bat an eye. I mean do you really think Drake would be offended if I told him he was not from Togo? "Who gets to decide the cut off point?" Logic and practicality. It's impossible to revert the world's borders to what they were 400 years ago in a misguided search for justice. Imagine trying to go back thousands of years. It's also generally undesirable. Since we must prioritize the family community connections that exist today, and no those that have been extinct for a thousand years. "Why would the JSH people not wait out that cut off point?" Well yes. That's every settler colonist's plan. They're already doing a fine job of it. Despite having no legitimate claim to the land, they have already been there long enough that it would be inhumane to make them leave. If they stay another few generations, they will probably have a legitimate claim to being natives. They understand this, and this is what they're doing. It is a very effective strategy, despite being deeply unethical and requiring the commission of a great deal of crimes.
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  31.  @bluemelon7818  Unfortunately, this is not true according to every authority on international law on the planet (UN, ICJ, WB, EU, etc.). GZ is currently under ISRL occupation. It is not an independent state. This means that there is no law in GZ that can exist without ISRL approval. The local GZ authorities work for ISRL. They are tasked with the legwork of administering the day to day running of the occupied territory because it is expensive for ISRL to do it themselves. This is in fact the standard relationship between any empire and its occupied territory. In the absence of full scale settlement, a local authority is tasked with day to day administration, while remaining ultimately answerable to the controlling power. This is why (beyond imports & exports) an entire host of commercial, industrial, and military projects are forbidden in GZ by ISRL. Every inhabitant in GZ is required to be registered with ISRL along with a whole host of information related to their lives. Inhabitants of GZ are subject to ISRL law and both the military and police of ISRL can enter and operate in GZ subject exclusively to ISRL approval irrespective of the local authority's protestations. To be clear: the local government of GZ has no standing in ISRL to claim any authority over any function in GZ except with the unilateral approval of ISRL. ISRL has also reserved for itself the right to rescind any approval unilaterally. So yes, the GZ laws you are complaining about are actually ISRL laws. They exist only because ISRL wants them to exist as they help ISRL to reduce day to day costs of maintaining the occupation. They rely on ISRL for their enforcement, as the local authorities cannot exercise any power that is not approved by ISRL, and they can be rescinded at any moment through a unilateral ISRL decree.
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  42.  @blahblahboii  "The land is a melting pot, that ws part of many empires" Which is why the PLSN people are a diverse group. Nonetheless they are distinctive and have a well documented history of inhabitation and local governance of the region. In the same way that Egypt has been a part of many empires and a melting pot, yet we know that there is such a thing as an Egyptian. "It's not about the genome it's about cultural identity." The problem is that the PLSN people have a greater claim to that as well, having lived in the region for over a thousand years, versus a group of Europeans who have never even seen the land or met anyone who did. So it doesn't really matter which one you look at the answer is pretty obvious. "ABS were not denied living in ISRL" Unfortunately it is well documented that may were indeed removed from their homes forcibly. The remaining ones live as second class citizens in a country where they are not allowed to repatriate their families, consistently have access to inferior accommodations, are denied land purchases on a routine basis, and live under a government whose official policy is that the country is not their home. "But the census" You haven't given me any dates, so I can't comment. However this doesn't seem at odds with regular population growth and moderate migration given global population growth and local patterns. "Living in a region does not make them indigenous" That's literally all that does it. It's simply about being there long enough.
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  43. ​ @blahblahboii  "The land is a melting pot, that was part of many empires" Which is why the PLSN people are a diverse group. Nonetheless they are distinctive and have a well documented history of inhabiting and local governance of the region. In the same way that Egypt has been a part of many empires and a melting pot, yet we know that there is such a thing as an Egyptian. "It's not about the Adenine Thymine Guanine Cytosine it's about shared identity." The problem is that the PLSN people have a greater claim to that as well, having lived in the region for over a thousand years, versus a group of Europeans who have never even seen the land or met anyone who did. So it doesn't really matter which one you look at the answer is pretty obvious. "ABS were not denied living in ISRL" Unfortunately it is well documented that many were coercively removed. The remaining ones live as second class citizens in a country where they are not allowed to bring their families, consistently have access to worse accommodations, are denied land purchases on a routine basis, and live under a government whose official policy is that the country is not their home. "But the census" You haven't given me any dates, so I can't comment. However this doesn't seem at odds with regular population growth and moderate migration given global population growth and local patterns. "Living in a region does not make them indigenous" That's literally all that does it. It's simply about being there long enough.
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