Comments by "yessum15" (@yessum15) on "JRE Clips"
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2300 Slatt Good answer, so feminists want things like not being shamed for having sexual desire and not being discriminated against in the workplace. But they don't want to be forced to pretend they don't have feelings at all.
What part of that do you find objectionable? I mean those seem like pretty reasonable requests for anyone really.
Now, separate from that you say feminists call you weak. Who are these feminists? I mean I've never seen any feminist manifesto that complained about men not being stereotypically 'male' enough. No academic papers, no rallies, no lawsuits, no major feminist speaker, no publication, etc. These are usually the things that define a movement.
As I understand it, a major part of feminism is deconstructing the artificial polarity between our stereotypes of masculinity and femininity. Understanding that people are more alike than we frequently assume.
So it sounds to me like either:
a) You're hanging around mean people who are bullying you
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b) You're an exceptionally weak human by any standard male or female, and they're just calling it how it is.
Both of these seem like personal problems. If you could provide some sort of example (even hypothetical) to suggest otherwise, maybe I'd appreciate it. Because right now it seems like you're wrong.
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@goober69er Congratulations on your attempt to grow a brain. Now if only you could learn how to pay attention before commenting.
I never made the point you're arguing against lol.
I didn't take issue with the idea that men and women may have an evolutionary tendency to act differently. I took issue with people who claim to know precisely what that difference is, when even the people studying this stuff for a living haven't reached agreement on it.
I also don't see why both can't be true. That women can have an evolutionary tendency to behave a certain way, but also that socially constructed gender roles influence people's behaviour as well.
And if that's the case, where does one influence end, and the other begin? And which has a greater effect? And could they be in conflict with one another?
Also, if we're using an evolutionary model, what is the rate of evolutionary change with regard to behavior? We know it may take millions of years to grow legs, but only a few generations to grow the ability to metabolize milk. So how many generations of complex human society are necessary to cause an evolutionary change to a psychological feature? If few, then animal models wouldn't help very much.
Also, we run into a problem when we try to translate an emotional or cognitive characteristic into actual behavior, since behavior is as much determined by your instincts as it is by a cost/benefit analysis.
This is why it's important to say, "yes, evolution may play a role in determining gendered psychology, but i will refrain from attributing gendered behavior to evolutionary forces because of all the confounding variables i have not accounted for."
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@goober69er If you seek out extremist opinions, you'll find plenty of opportunities to get pissed off. An entire industry has grown around outrage politics with guys like Jordan Peterson and his left wing counterparts who make money by misrepresenting facts and demonizing the other side.
This is made worse by the fact that reasonable moderates who are working in earnest, often haven't figured out every answer yet.
But that isn't an excuse to say fuck it, because there are a ton of resources for learning what things like the trans movement and feminism actually are. And overall, they're both good things.
The most basic concept to understand is that biological sex, gender role, and sexual orientation are 3 different things. And while they most commonly tend to align, sometimes they don't. It's not that big a deal as long as you're a chill fucker who treats everyone alright.
All this gender pronoun stuff is just temporary noise while people are trying to get their bearings. The dust will settle in a bit.
And as a general rule, when determining the source of an observed behavior, always begin by attributing proximate and quantifiable causes, before appealing to grand and vague ones.
If a black guy robs you, think maybe he's short on money not "it is in the African's nature to steal as the warm climate is not conducive to long term planning"
Same thing when analyzing Male/female behavioral differences.
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