Comments by "yessum15" (@yessum15) on "Tom Nicholas"
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"Logan's massive height, weight, and reach advantage allowed him to easily avoid being knocked out by Mayweather."
I haven't finished watching your video, but this is objectively, blatantly, and offensively wrong.
There is a common misconception amongst laymen that a boxing match is either fixed or fair. This is not the case. Boxing is a highly managed sport. And over the years an intricate system has emerged for controlling outcomes via various techniques that may or may not meet the definition of "fixing."
The purpose of all of this, is to protect the long time profitability of potential money making line ups and to avoid snuffing out a potential superstar by prematurely exposing them to excessively harmful matchups.
This was an exhibition match. Mayweather was instructed to carry Logan. Meaning to give Logan an active and exciting sparring session, but to leave him unharmed and allow him to finish out the full length of the fight.
Throughout the entire fight Mayweather is exhibiting excellent restraint and professionalism. He pulls back his knuckles on impact and hits Logan with the front of his fingers to minimize the weight of impact - turning punches into closed first slaps. He sets Logan up for knockouts and then purposely alters the trajecory of the punch so that it glances off the sides and top of his head. He steps off setting up perfect angles of attack and then either pushes or clinches with Logan.
These are all standard techniques. This is Mayweather "play sparring" at 5%.
This type of thing usually happens in 3 situations:
1) When a legendary fighter is retiring, a young upstart who can knock him out will sometimes carry the fighter in this way.
2) When a fighter with high future earning potential but low current skill/experience needs either a warm up fight or a marketing boost, an older "can" fighter will be instructed to carry the younger fighter.
3) In freakshow promotional events such as this one.
Floyd is a businessman way before he's a fighter. His viability as the "go to" celebrity boxing partner (and to a lesser extent the viability of this entire celebrity boxing charade) is completely dependant on Hollywood agents being absolutely certain that he will stick to the script and refrain from damaging their clients or their clients' reputations.
Given the amount of money this trend is generating for the industry as a whole, and the amount of potential new lines of income being opened up by all the fuss, finishing Logan is a petty indulgence with a $100+ million price tag. It proves nothing to anyone, as anyone who knows anything about boxing already knows what's happening here.
Case in point: I'm saying all of this, and I have literally never watched the fight. I saw a total of about 40 seconds and immediately understood what was happening. When I see a fighter going out of his way to protect his opponent and actively shutting down openings, the writing on the wall is obvious. And to be honest, if I was in Floyd's corner, I would refuse to work with him unless he promised to carry Logan.
So, to be clear: Logan Paul did not "survive" Mayweather. Nor is it remotely possible he ever could. I know this isn't the point of your video but this is an obscene perversion of reality that really can't be overlooked.
LP is so outmatched, and was so perpetually exposed to an easy knock out, that had this been a real fight, tying Logan's hands behind his back would not significantly alter his chance of losing.
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Note: What I wrote above does not apply to Jake Paul's fights. Jake can actually box (at the level of a decent amateur). What's happening with Jake is a little more complicated. I may explain it later
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@pianodan10 I avoided this because analysis of JP is more complicated. There are more ambiguities, opinions are more subjective, and therefore the discussion will be unavoidably longwinded. But if you're ready here we go:
There are 3 important things to understand about Jake Paul:
1) He can legitimately box. His current ability is somewhere in the range of a decent amateur.
2) He's currently performing at or near his max potential. Realistically, he is too old to have a career in boxing or improve much more than where he's currently at.
3) He has had only 1 fight so far that is remotely worth discussing.
JP's first three "fights" were against 3 celebrities with zero boxing training who were little more than confused punching bags that showed up to get slapped around on TV. These stunts are barely worth consideration.
His fourth fight was against Ben Askren. Askren was a retired out of shape wrestler with no boxing experience who literally just had hip replacement surgery. As such, he was unable to move, unable to train, and consequently unable to be taught anything new at this point.
Beyond that, all we can say is that Askren was extremely enthusiastic about a guaranteed pay day that was leagues higher than anything he'd ever earned in his career. This was life changing money and this is how you end up with a fight in which the guy who gets knocked out appears to be happier than the winner.
However, Jake's fifth fight is different. This was a legitimately dangerous matchup. Unlike Ben Askren, Woodley is a wrestler who has been known to knock out high level fighters with strikes (in MMA). Sure, he was old, retired, past his prime, and had never had an actual boxing match - but this man is still legitimately dangerous and this was a serious challenge.
So what happened?
You will hear many opinions as to why Jake Paul won. It's important to separate the facts from speculation.
Here are the facts that no one disputes:
1) Going into the fight, the dominant strategy for each fighter was clear: Jake Paul (being the taller lankier fighter) should attempt to pick Tyrone apart from the outside, relying on long range punches and keeping Tyron at the edge of striking range. The dominant strategy for Tyron was to move forward, pressure & crowd Jake and land power shots from the inside.
2) Jake Paul legitimately won this fight. He was more active and landed more strikes than Tyron. The split decision should likely have been a unanimous decision in his favor.
3) Both fighters appeared to be legitimately trying to win. There have been no serious accusations of fight fixing or anything like that. However, the judges and most experts agree that Jake was definitely trying harder.
4) Jake never put Tyron in serious danger at any point. Tyron appeared fully capable of defending against Jake's offense. He was simply outscored on the cards due to Jake's much higher activity level, and Jake's successful imposition of his own game plan.
5) Tyron inflicted more damage on Jake and did put Jake in legitimate danger. He appeared to be faster and stronger than Jake and was able to penetrate Jake's defense and pressure & crowd the fighter at will.
6) In spite of this, Tyron was oddly gun shy. He refused to open up his offense and maintained a very low level of output. He simply refused to throw enough punches even as his corner was desperately calling for them (particularly when he was on the inside).
These are the facts.
The great mystery is why Tyron didn't punch.
From beginning to end, Tyron played an incredibly conservative game, throwing individual punches instead of combinations, letting opportunities pass right by him, and maintaining a low activity level. Legendary Mike Tyson trainer Teddy Atlas described Tyron's actions as: "pressure without punches". He compared Tyron's performance to someone raking up the leaves in his backyard but not bagging them up, rather electing instead to just stop, sit down, and watch the wind redistribute them.
On this matter, there is only speculation. Posited theories include:
1) Tyron has lost the "killer instinct" either due to a physical or psychological issue we're not aware of. His last four fights before retirement were all losses and a number of commentators noted that he appeared "gun shy".
2) Tyron was concerned about his physical conditioning and elected to conserve energy to go the distance instead of running the risk of exhausting himself prematurely.
3) Being new to pure boxing, he was a bit scared, overestimated Jake and gave him too much respect.
4) Tyron was looking for a decision victory and not a knockout. Either because he didn't want to take any risk of getting embarassed by exposing himself to a knockout or some other consideration we're unaware of.
5) Various technical explanations that boil down to Jake being the superior technical boxer and shutting down Tyron's offense.
6) And like a million other theories.
My Opinion
I can't answer this question. I don't know what was going through Tyron's head.
I think he was clearly fighting for a narrow decision victory instead of a decisive knockout victory, and I think this doomed him.
Tyron has been a power striker and a knockout artist his entire career. His greatest asset is his devastating explosive power. He is not a traditional boxer and simply lacks the technical proficiency to put a fighter away through elegant point sparring in the way that Floyd Mayweather can.
As such, his failure to engage a fighter whom he could clearly beat senseless, left him exposed to a slow point loss through attrition.
However, why he did this remains a mystery. This isn't an obvious "carrying" situation. I'm tempted to believe that Tyron looked at the "automatic rematch option" which Jake retained as part of the contract, and then looked at the ridiculous amount of money he was making for this fight (dwarfing anything he's ever made in his career), and figured that he could easily double or triple his payout if he could get a "rivalry" going. ie: If he could achieve the sort of narrow victory that would provoke Jake to trigger the rematch option.
In other words, he wanted to use the Mayweather strategy without having the skill to do so.
However, I'm also equally tempted to believe that he simply did not want to take any risk of an embarassing knock out to someone significantly below his level, and ironically hedged his way into an embarassing decision loss instead.
In any case, he's now desperately seeking a rematch, and will likely oblige Jake's demand that he get an "I love Jake Paul" tattoo in exchange for Jake triggering the rematch clause. If Jake has half a brain he will do everything he can to avoid this rematch.
Jake needs to stick to cherry picking fighters who are either severely compromised in some way, not out for blood, or optimally both.
Conclusion
As a final note, I will say that Jake deserves respect for this victory. People are under the mistaken impression that Jake's selection of compromised opponents is somehow unfair. No. It would be unfair and stupid if Jake attempted to fight healthy and uncompromised individuals.
This really isn't a game. This man could die or emerge with permanent brain damage. If he's going to do this, it better be for million dollar fights with big names. The only way to make that happen without him drinking out of a straw for the rest of his life is if we grease things up a little bit.
He's compensated the fighters he worked with very fairly, and he's created a major platform for some great fighters (on the undercard) to perform in front of huge audiences (Serrano!)
Tyron Woodley represented an escalated, but still controlled challenge for Jake. And he rose to the occasion, doing something that few others from his background could do. Irrespective of whatever influences there were on Tyron's behavior (there are always influences), this is a legit victory. He's earned a lot of people's respect for this stunning performance, myself included.
This is a sport where unqualified children are regularly tricked into sustaining permanent injury in order to be cheap fodder for rising stars. Every part of the game doesn't give a damn about you. Not the coaches, the fans, the managers - nobody. In this context Jake has done things relatively honorably. It's going to take more than some silly rudeboy tv persona to make me forget that.
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