Comments by "Sedna063" (@Sedna063) on "Corey Gil-Shuster" channel.

@_Error__ Yeah, the concept of ethnoreligion isn't appealing to me either but at least Israel accepts Atheism and is secularly organised, for the most part.
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Yes, this one really irked me as well. Not to mention what about those that do not worship. Polytheism and Atheism are largely detested in Islam; with the people of the book you at least believe in the same God, albeit apparently we Christians and the Jews are misguided.
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It is probably one of the few things that give them identity when they really have nothing else.
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@Pix3lB Ok, true. But I also know about the atrocities committed in the name of religions…
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@Bhghih No matter where you are, taxation will be higher than it used to be simply because the roles of modern nations evolved. A few centuries ago nobody paid more than a few percent in taxes, and that were the merchants. But governments nowadays provide hospitals, roads, 12 years of school and some more university education, pre-school... If you think people can return to such a low tax society I have bad news for you. Anyway, I have other problems with a discriminatory tax that is purely applied because of my religion. A government needs to treat people equally, with equal rights and duties.
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@UsmanAli-od4ye Is it because someone rents out a flat and can legally ask for rent increases? Or is this the Israeli government levying higher taxes on them?
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While I don't mind paying taxes, I mind paying them on a discriminatory tax status. And Zakat is fixed above a certain income. Jizyah is at the disgression of the ruler. It also cements that they are not equal to Muslims - after all, how far can non-muslims come up the ranks of power in an Islamic state. Your examples are those of a submissive subpopulace that was left alone. It wasn't an idyllic "and they lived happily ever after". Today, we are further than this and share nations regardless of religion and all pay the same taxes regardless of religion.
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Check the Arab barometer polling from 2019. Apparently many people nowadays count themselves as irreligious now. I hope this continues, that they will pick secularism. Palestine was one of the most conservative regions polled.
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@iamnotok_ I know that many aren't like this, but you must admit that there are very, very many people in this region that do support such murderous statements. Pew Research in 2013 found that some 80% of Egyptian Muslims wanted the death penalty for Muslim Apostates for example. That is a very clear majority, and while I think a lot of those would reconsider; there is a large part that cannot accept atheism or apostasy and would punish it with death. We need an attitude change in this region - less religious dogma and rites and more individual spirituality. "Live and let live".
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@nananananananananana1926 OTOH non-muslims must pay a special tax that, while it exempts them from service, it bars them from higher office and also from owning weapons... Meaning a government that is financed by them but where they don't have higher positions or any means to defend themselves. Basically, we should pay protection money otherwise you guys can come anytime and punish us with impunity. Do you really think we would accept that? Israel sends Jewish citizens to jail if they avoid draft while they don't force Arabs (they can serve if they want to). But they still give Arabs voting rights, they can serve as judges, as MPs, as ministers, even as Presidents or Prime Ministers... They also don't pay a special tax based on their religion.
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@peak6829 Hitler killed for national socialism. Stalin was a crazy dude (who was training as a priest). You know, people can be religious and do bad stuff. I have yet to see any atheist terrorism.
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@_Error__ I wish both sides would come to peace because this would improve theor lives so much. But hardliners on both sides have no interest
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If you think you can have an all-encompassing ummah, you should get a reality check. Just because you share religion doesn’t mean you share everything else. It is illusoric to believe that everyone will follow your exact costums and shares your rites.
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I still prefer my welfare system - which is comprehensive and much more encompassing. And not discriminatory by religion.
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Because the tax is discriminatory on non-muslims. Governments should not discriminate between citizens. Not in this day and age.
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I‘d rather not take the chance, as we have seen some of the treatment islamists give to others
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@Bhghih I won't say things like this to France cause I am not French and I have never been there. With Covid, I won't get to France right now. And France does treat citizens equally under the law. Laicité, I presume you know this word? The rules apply to everyone; Christians, Muslims, Jews... Anyway, while I belief in equal rights, I find it very hypocritical if Muslims focus their energies on France if they have much to change in their countries first. As for the tax. The tax system is nothing more than discrimination based on religious convictions. That simply won't do in multicultural societies with a multitude of different faiths. We are one species and we all deserve the same rights and have the same duties. As I said, you would need an awful lot of indirect taxation just to finance government. Governments today have far more extensive roles than they did in previous eras (another reason why we shouldn't base a society on the ideas of a 7th century model). Just consider education. Every kid needs education, the most advanced nations sponsor 12 years of mandatory school and another 5 years of university education. You just can't run a modern government on such low levels of taxation. Unless you have significant oil resources or you are an offshore banking center but most nations are not. Trying to sell anyone an islamic state with supposed lower taxes is therefore lying. Even Saudi Arabia imposed taxes on business profits and business transactions (VAT) since they can't run a modern government without significant tax income. Many nations handle 25-40% of GDP through taxation and spend it around. I made my research. I will stick to a secular system. Peace out
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@Bhghih and why do you think I am clinically depressed? 😅. Neither do you seem willing to understand or to engage me on my issues with a discriminatory tax system. You only want to talk about how much less taxes I am gonna pay if I were to live in a muslim supremacist state… Please leave Europe - let the continent be developed and secular. Much better than any islamic government anyway.
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Frankly, governments have evolved a lot since 7th century. Can't just have a ruler and a few courts and some guys in the military anymore. Either way, I would not be interested in a state that treats me less just because of my religious beliefs. You have your right to worship and I have mine. As long as we both respect each other's belief we will be fine. But it doesn't work when a society is organised according to the religious beliefs of one group. Not talking about weekends or so. But law and justice.
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We pay protection money so that we are let alive. We also don‘t own weapons and have no role in government
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@MohdHilal What does it mean then now?
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Not really true. It is a discriminatory tax based on religious convictions. A state should treat their citizens equally regardless of religion and shouldn't favour one over another. Anything else would be unfair. Secondly, the amount of tax is dependent on the ruler, he can set it to anything he want. Jizyah is also cementing a lower class status for non-muslims. We wouldn't have to serve but we wouldn't own weapons and have little to no power in government. Lastly, taxes would need to be higher... If you so like Islamic states, why are you in Germany?
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Yeah, but if you point this out they will get very defensive and shout „islamophobia“.
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Have you slept in the recent 5 decades? Islam has heavily influenced the governments of this region during those times. Just check what 50s and how early 2000s were like in the region. Iran runs on a theocratic system for crying out loud. Pakistan does. Afghanistan, well, you can closely observe how much good this is going to be…
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1. Why not? Do you think people in the world would tolerate Muslims if they would only accept an Islamic state? Get real, most people aren't Muslims and have no desire to become so. We gotta get along and find solutions that allow everyone to live their faith without hindering others. 2. It is profoundly influenced by an Arab religion, Arab laws and costums... While ostentatively for everyone, it does not meet the reality of life for everyone. Indeed, not for most. 3. Try running a modern government without any sort of taxes. Have fun paying for roads, hospitals... There is a reason why even Saudi Arabia introduced VAT now because modern governments are much more complicated entities than any 7th century desert society. 4. Jizyah doesn't have a set rate - it is at the transgression of the ruler and can be arbitrarily set. 5. Why do we need defending? We can defend ourselves if you would allow non-muslims to serve in the military and own weapons. 6. Apparently many islamist groups and many, many more Muslims did not get this memo. Plus, there are many Surahs that call for a different treatment of infidels... 7. What do you mean with "enjoy"? Typically, you pay, convert, or face death if you are polytheistic... 8. If you don't have a tax system, how will you make a rich pay more and a poor pay less? Will the prices be different for each and everyone according to his income? That would be really confusing for everyone and require an unprecedented amount of financial disclosure to everyone. Most people aren't willing to do this. 9. Capitalist economy gave the world the most advanced living standard, pulled billions out of poverty in recent decades (check where China is today and where it was; generally, check Asia as a case study on how to become wealthy...). Sure, there are many that are very rich but many capitalist nations boost very developed aid systems for those poor enough. Europeans don't starve of hunger, they have free education right until university, they also have comprehensive health insurance. Just check the Scandinavian countries, they get the job done and they are capitalist. 10. Not everyone follows the same understanding of justice.
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@alonsolekue Correct. I think many muslim nations stipulate that only a muslim can occupy any higher state offices. Try writing this into a European constitution; those very same governments would scream "islamophobia":
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Completely correct. But they then say that this is "different"... They love secularism when they don't hold the majority. They hate it when in majority. Thank God for Turkey.
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@נואהעבדאלרחמן Sad that they didn't ask you in the video... I agree as a Christian. Government is for earthly things. We all have to get along on earth, whatever happens after death should be left until it is time. And you shan't make rules that are religiously inspired and forced down onto other faiths.
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1. Are you willing to bet on it? I am really not. Just because I am really careful with Islamic states in general - they typically tend to become a lot worse for non-muslims. 2. Good - it is a very discriminatory tax system. 3. There are some states that allow religious laws - I largely disagree with it. Anyway, this video is certainly very interesting.
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So the only way why you don't run around to do crime, murder, rape (...) is because you fear someone will punish you for it? Now that is sad.
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There are some Christians and some Druze, a few thousand Bahais... Overall less than 5%. There really isn't a lot of census data on this though.
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@AlmohadeSoldier For us being bastard taboo breakers a lot of you guys surely wanna live herr
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