Comments by "Sedna063" (@Sedna063) on "Finnish President tells Russia 'You caused this' as he signs security pact with UK" video.

  1. So Russia now created the land and earth? Russia did not create Finland. Russia had to let Finland leave - but then fought a war with them in 1939 (an unprovoked war). Finland lost. They have stolen Finnish lands, have killed Finns, they have harmed them in living memory.
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  2. Finland will survive. Russia probably not.
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  3. 1. Finland has been part of Russia. Finland first became a part of Russia in 1809 after Russia fought against Sweden and won. Russia started a russification policy in Finland in 1899 and cut a lot of the loose autonomy Finland insofar had enjoyed - making them just another province. Had to retract this in 1905. 2. Ukraine is not part of Russia. Ukraine is Ukraine - a sovereign nation that decided in a vote in 1991. 3. Russia has had wars with Finland in living memory. In 1939, Russia attacked Finland unprovoked and annexed large swaths of territory. The Finnish involvement in WW2 was a direct result of this. Finland did not join NATO as they lost the war against the USSR and they made the deal - independence for neutrality. 4. Who knows what Russia wants. Russia was insistant that those troops now in Ukraine only were at the border for months to train and hold maneuvers. Any notion of invasion was ridicouled by Russian media. If I were Finland and have Russia as a neighbour, I'd not be trusting Russia right now when it comes to being a good neighbour. 5. Russia has started the hostilities. Nobody in Finland would entertain thoughts about joining NATO had Russia not invaded Ukraine. Obviously the other neighbours of Russia are worried. 6. Russia already threatened Finland about joining - basically encouraging Finland.
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  4. 1. Let this be NATO to decide whether it is obsolete or not. Right now it looks very much rejuvenated. 2. What treaties would Finland break? I am only aware of Russian failures to stand by contracts. 3. The 1947 treaty did not stipulate neutrality or obligations against joining any organisation. Indeed, a number of nations in those treaties joined the Warsaw Pact. 4. The 1992 Russia-Finland treaty does not stipulate anything like this either...
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  5. Still better than anarchy.
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  6. Finland did not sign such a treaty.
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  7. If Russia starts WW3 they die. Simple as that.
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  8. And what about the "legitimate security entails" of Finland, Ukraine, Baltics, Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria? What agreements? Please show me the documents that NATO signed and ratified where they declared that they would not expand. On the other hand, Russia as the successor to the USSR is partner of the Helsinki conference which allows any sovereign state to make alliances as they chosose. He got to learn to accept that this is not the victorian era anymore. Understanding and restraint has been shown over decades. He decided to answer it with a war on Ukraine - only then was NATO membership seriously entertained by Finland. Not before. Yeah, it's our fault that Russia invades. Like a rape victim being at fault for enticing...
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  9. They actually want to join because of Russia....
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  10. I was barely out of Kindergarten that time. Nethertheless, my nation did not join the US even though we are very closely allied and in NATO. We did join in Afghanistan though but this was a UN-recognised intervention and nobody at that time really had to say something negative about getting rid of a government that harboured terrorists and forbid schooling to women.
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  11. Please show me this treaty.
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  12. Stop watching propaganda media. Ask the Finns what they want.
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  13. Russia attacked Ukraine - obviously other non-NATO members want to join now...
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  14. There was no binding agreement. EVER,
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  15. This is how democracy works. Elected MPs and executives are making the decisions, according to polls they are supported by a majority of Fins in this. If not, they can elect opposition members to NATO in numbers next time.
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  16.  @Laenthal  Russia will not attempt things - otherwise they will be in war with NATO.
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  17. They don't have anything like that in that treaty.
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