Comments by "Bond25" (@Bond2025) on "Ringway Manchester"
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@TheSpotify95 I used to listen to KISS on DABradio in the car, it was brilliant at 192Kbps. Then it dropped to 160Kbps, then 128, then 112, then 80 until it sounded absolutely rubbish. That happened to a lot of DABradio stations. It turned in to a massive public con. We were promised high quality clear sounding audio with no interference. remember all the misleading adverts that had to be changed. People happily went from FM Stereo to DABmono/low bitrate/no dynamic range audio.
Local radio become nothing more than the same music collections in similar orders with different adverts played over them, some announcements thrown in and a bit of talking and news.
I don't listen to much radio now.
In the 80s and 90s, Pirate Stations took off as they give people what they wanted.
Everyone in the North West should remember the stations Radio Merseywaves, Storeton Community Radio, North Coast Radio, Radio Julie, Lazer UK and many others. Many broadcast for years on MW and VHF with good coverage.
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@ianmason. You should see how many nuclear fallout shelters there are! I have built and installed lots of equipment in them since the 80s. If anyone is in the North West, there is one under the council building extension in Ellesmere Port town centre. Access via a door from the car park that looks like it goes in to the offices, or via a manhole in the car park that has a 5ft diameter concrete tube running about 20ft on an angle. Inside is a submarine door as I call it - the room is tiled and has a brush with hose attached on the wall ! Down there is a command and control centre, air/water purifiers and storage and a diesel generator and storage. There is a room with bunkbeds and a kitchen, toilets and storage. This was completed in around 1991. Access down the main stairs leads to a thick door hinged on the right. On entering the shelter, rooms to the right are beds, then the escape tunnel and tiled room with showers, toilets and a kitchen area. On the left after entering from the main door are air purification, water treatment and storage, generator. Straight ahead is a large room of about 20ft by 25ft with various computer equipment and radios. This has all been updated since. Some of the aerials on the council buildings were connected at one point.
Many shelters existed like this, but were demolished. One or two still exist.
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When I was about 14 I started messing about with building TXs using a PCB kit from Tandy. I bought a Pantec Hobbykit, which was a push-pull oscillator on 106MHz using 2x 2n3055, later replaced on my own bigger printed circuit board with 4 x 2n3866, fed in to a dipole. It was HORRIFIC, no RF filtering, never knew about that then, plus loud splattering audio. I managed to block a whole streets TVs and used to talk to friends on a Multimode 2 CB, which also could be heard over everything. The problem was, two CBers lived within 300ft, one with a Sigma 4 and another with Sirio type aerial, so they were getting watched. What I didn't know at the time was the Radio Amateur 4 houses away was going to get a very unexpected call one Saturday night as I was playing music. A Rover 3500 police car and transit van turned up and the people kicked his door in. He was a bank manager! I had to hide the board between the lagging jacket on the tank and pull the dipole in from a back window.
I later went on to get a Class A licence, qualifications in RF & electronics engineering and realise how bad all those kits were.
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I only got in to amateur radio through CB and pirate radio. I used to tune about on a radio when I was younger and heard music and people having a laugh and knew it wasn't a legal station. After a year of contacting the station when I was at school, they met me and let me go and have a look. I was SO disappointed!!! I am not sure what I was expecting, but the station was in a flat and consisted of a record deck, tape player and a home built transmitter. I remember it was a PCB on the living room floor with other bits of pcb glued on the top and components all soldered on and a bit of coax going up to a dipole on a chimney. Power output was 25Watts. It was powered by a CB power supply and there was a mixer, headphones and mic.
It sounded really good on air, but I was expecting some fancy studio!
I started learning more and put my own TX together, wiping out a whole street of TVs. Over a few months I refined it, taught myself more and even built a stereo encoder. I was never in to the music side of it then, I just etched PCBs and bought all the bits from my local electronics shop.
I then moved in to aerial design, audio processing and really went wild. By this time, raves were becoming popular, so I got in to the dance/trance/techno stuff.
I had a few near misses, but was never caught.
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It is a legal requirement for site operators to know what they have operating as they get called when there is a problem. Any loss of service causes a problem and interference is a legal issue. Everything is licenced and the operators and RA check regularly. They also do spot checks.
In the days of pagers around 94 i was at a hilltop site in Wales when the RA turned up to do field strength tests. A VHF pager was splattering and when i let them in the building they found the 10Watts from the TX was going via a 400Watt RF amp in to their own aerial on the mast - around 137MHz. They had the site owner and company rep there within 45mins and took the amp away. Had they not complied, the equipment was going to be switched off and removed.
The way the sites work is that you have a few wideband VHF and UHF aerials for general use. You can use your own or you can use a wideband RX one for VHF and another for UHF and TX through your own.
There are circulators fitted, but it depends what room is left. The old PMR repeaters would use a common receive aerial at the top of the masts and TX on their own. That's because the common aerial would be a 68-88MHz, 160-180MHz for example, or 440-460MHz, so never cut for one frequency, but good enough in that location.
That was only one part of the mast and buildings.
There were relays, links, commercial stations and 70cm / 2m repeaters in some. Now they have TETRA and Cellular.
Sites i went to were never alarmed either. It was just a case of being issued with keys. One site had about 8 padlocks all joined to each other and wrapped around a gate, you opened your own to get in!
Sadly, pirates would install equipment on some of them with 10GHz links, steal electric and splatter and interfere.
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Did you ever know about ECHELON, the taps that were put on lines, Radio Communications Agency installing SDRs in 1994 so they could remotely monitor the spectrum and direction find in each area, or Security Services installing their SDRs with transmit capability? The SDR cover was blown by a news channel in the UK in around 2007, and the story was that local WiFi was being monitored to protect people and inform them if they were using a weak password. The real story was that it was for "packet injection" and repurposing WiFi equipment for surveillance purposes, not to mention snoop on people and attack those that "air-gapped" computers thinking it would keep them safe!
There was a lot going on in BT exchanges and there still is to this day.
Don't ever think that phoning a charity to report a crime or using 141 protected your identity, your full details were still logged, it just didn't appear on your phone bill. Police used to abuse their position and that of others, or use Special Constables, who worked for BT, to perform checks on numbers for example. Nothing was ever logged.
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That's not the only thing they were getting up to! I attended various trade shows and security events and still meet vendors who like to boast about who their customers are. Merseyside is a very big customer of companies that sell surveillance equipment. They have spent millions. Security Services used to have two floors in the OLD HQ building.
They have bought and used quite a few IMSI catchers, illegally, at demonstrations and gatherings to gather your info and also parked up with them by houses of interest to monitor mobile calls - yes, digital and encrypted.
They don't do things by the book, and also spent a lot on Cellebrite software to get in to your phone if you are taken in. Other software is general inspection like EnCase. They also like the database one i have forgotten the name of, it plots cell sites, who called who, who must know who and takes feeds from other systems.
They love buying night vision cameras, drones with night vision & IR, they also use cameras to "look through" walls to see where occupants of buildings are and leave the odd car or van on various streets. One they got caught out with was an Iceland home delivery van just parked up. As if no one would notice.
Welcome to the World of Surveillance. Most people never give things like this a second thought, if they see an aerial or camera, or people snooping about.
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You will hate the poor quality of DABradio then, it's revolting. I remember years ago getting my first DABradio home and thinking it was going to be brilliant after watching all the TV adverts. What a disappointment to find stations in MONO at 32 and 64Kbps. Some were 192Kbps and a dance station was 128Kbps, but the more that appeared, the more the quality was ruined. Now DAB is in a right state. It is the same adverts being played on every station, but with a few different tunes and jingles for different station names. No one listens to DAB.
Even in my cars since 2012 having DABradio is nothing special, it has ALWAYS sounded rubbish, with one exception of KISS FM until that got a lower quality and is now worse than AM radio.
It should have been put between 68-88MHz too, a very unused band, but with a really good coverage, especially mobile, compared to up around 200MHz.
Badly thought out, terrible audio quality and do you remember that stupid advertising company that did radio and car adverts aimed at "old" people? They put a nice new modern radio in an old case to try and appeal to pensioners, or people with certain conditions that only remembered older style radios, then tried similar with cars - completely bizarre.
DAB is a waste of time, I would prefer AM radio quality in the car.
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@ToomasTelling DABradio is finished in the UK, it failed because of -
1. Advertisers
2. Poor Audio Quality
3. Choice of different stations
When it first appeared, the audio quality was brilliant as bitrates were high, some as high as 320kbps stereo on the BBC test stations. As time went on, it was all monetised and people looked at ways to get back their investment and make money. It went away from being a method of transmitting stations to one of selling advertising, making every channel play automated music with adverts and a bit of talking over the top. Many of my local DAB stations play the same music from the same feed, but change the announcements. Why just have 4 stations on a multiplex for example, when you would have 12 or 24 all running really low audio bitrates.
That is why no one listens now. Who wants MONO audio at a bitrate and audio quality lower than a standard AM radio.
In North West UK if you listen at home or in a car to stations on 88-108MHz FM Stereo, the audio quality is really good. Listen on DABradio and you get thin or tinny MONO with 16kbps to 64kbps and it is "quiet", plus there is no processing, no dynamic range, no compression etc, so unusable in cars.
Most stations rely on streaming.
DABradio was a "gap filler" while Streaming Services were improved and people started to use them more thanks to unlimited data on phones etc. I now just stream music in the car, I don't bother with DABradio and only use normal radio if there is no coverage on the phone!
The choice of frequency up around 200MHz was odd too, if they had used 68-88MHz the coverage would have been vastly improved, especially for mobile use. Less transmitters and links would have been required. I use 4M amateur band (70MHz) and the coverage is really good compared to 2m and 70cm for example.
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