Comments by "Jorge O" (@jorgeo4483) on "Get.factual"
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@mysticone1798 To talk about history you have to talk about texts. In another case you will talk about prehistory. The Vikings did not know how to write. What we have written, the sagas, are based on the tradition of fables, I repeat, oral fables written by monks centuries later. Give me an url to see the Viking ship, surely there are more that came from shipwrecks. Everything else you see there are structures of Basque whalers and there is a Christian church, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be Viking at that time, which in addition they didn't even build like that, much less in a place like that where, according to you, only one crew would have arrived. Oh look, we have arrived in America, we are going to call it Vindland because it looks like it is full of grapes or blackberries. Then we will never return but they will make sagas of our discovery. Nor are we going to leave remains of a dry port to caulk the ship, as they did everywhere they were, nor a forge, burial, nothing. Some English coins according to experts much later than Columbus.
I don't have to prove that they weren't there, it's assumed that they weren't there. It is you who has to prove that yes and you can't.
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@mysticone1798 Look man, I'm Spanish and I'm 57 years old, here history studies were more extensive and important than in any English-speaking country.
I know all the publicity about the campaign started in the 60s about L'Anse aux Meadows, a well-documented Basque whaling settlement in Spain from the 12th and 13th centuries, which was an industry in the north of Spain, an industry.
You don't have a single Viking evidence there, the Basques built their shelters as anyone would have done at that time and a Viking ship, at a time when they were about to disappear from Greenland due to hunger, does not arrive and build a Catholic church there. You can find not one ship, show me besides, you could find 50 there of shipwrecks.
Why admonish you? Because you have swallowed an undocumented history and have put up statues of Erik the Red while you expanded the Black Legend against Spain by tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus, communing with all the woke lack of culture.
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@kylerjones4411 Vikings did not reached Newfoundland ever. Yes, the Polynesians could move from one place to another because they had records of volcanic activities, all the islands they occupied are volcanic although we do not know how many times they failed in their attempts, they did know that in certain directions they would find land because the birds and other animals and plants also went from one to another, and it is not the only trick you can use to follow a navigation route to land, from studying the remains on beaches, wild animals, observing clouds and even using carrier pigeons to determine the starting point. . Furthermore, their boats did not require caulking, but Viking and medieval boats in general did. If you read Columbus's diary you will see that the Admiral was an expert in all of this.
As I said, in these times you could only do coastal navigation, they did not have a sextant but they did have an astrolabe, although it was not exactly accurate, since probably 1000 years BC, which was perfected for navigation but still only served with a few stars and not It determined the zenith well, so it did not allow sufficient autonomy either. The myth of the Viking compass is that, just a myth, in fact they used rope techniques to determine some variations, but nothing more.
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@vascomartins334 The Canary Islands were always part of the Kingdom of Castile. In the Treaty of Zamora 1143, when Castile-León recognized Portugal, it had not ceded the rights of any territory that had not been Portuguese, therefore the Canary Islands remained Castilian since Portugal did not exist as a nation and had previously been visited by French, Italians and Pliny himself spoke about them although not first hand, they are mentioned by Boccacio and Dante. The Genovese Lanzarotto Malocello is considered its discoverer, since he placed it for the first time on a map and wrote it in a Report in Mallorca.
In the Treaty of Tordesillas, Portugal made the measurements from Cape Verde, not from the Canary Islands because they were Spanish. But they should have measured from Portugal, they cheated.
The Portuguese, like the rest, had no idea of the existence of America, if they had they would have gone for it and would have saved traveling 80% of the planet to trade with "The Indies".
Columbus himself died convinced that he had reached them, not America. In fact, he did not name them as a continent.
The name America was given by a German geographer, Martín Waldseemüller, in the first map that included it, in honor of "Americo Vespucio", a Florentine who later became a Spanish citizen, who was the first to realize that the New World was not "The Indies." .
The Treaty of Tordesillas did not divide the world in two, because other divisions already existed, what it did was limit the claims of the new discoveries of the two powers, Spain and Portugal. That's why all of America except for a small strip was Spain. "All new lands and those yet to be discovered."
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@vascomartins334 Of course he knews that there was land there, the Treaty of Tordesillas was signed 2 years after America was discovered, ignorant , and you had a very small piece of Brazil because as your pirate partners, instead of counting from Lisbon you counted from Cape Verde, everything else was stolen.
The Canary Islands were Portuguese for 52 days, until the Pope realized the error and corrected the bull to return them to their legal owner, Spain and the Wild Islands are also Spanish, they are part of the Canary Islands, that is why they were not claimed, then another pirate came average Portuguese to claim them.
The only thing Portugal rules are beach towels.
America is called that because the name was given by Martin Waldseemüller, in honor of Américo Vespucio who was the first to map it when he was traveling with the Spanish, hahahahaha, these Portuguese are one in a million.
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