Comments by "Jorge O" (@jorgeo4483) on "First before Columbus - The True Discoverers of America | History Documentary" video.

If you listen to the oral tradition of Greenland inuits, they tell that Vikings used to use them as servants and make fun of them, calling them dwarves. They quickly realized that they would all perish because they didn'tt know how to survive in their land and so it was.
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@JuneAdams-li9sy Probably were the cold weather not paint.
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Basque whalers made settlements similar to the nordics in Terranova from XIV century, nobody goes longer excepting Columbus. The End.
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Then you have heard about Bahía de Valdes, Fort San Miguel in Nootka, Cordova Port, Malaspina expedition...
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Not need for a biographer for that conclusion, going to the moon didn't.
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@mysticone1798 All the world at this time knew that the world was a globe, the ancient greeks made the demostration, the fact was that the spanish church thought that he was wrong in the distance (they were right) to Asia.
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Yeah, there are the original aliens too, in the area 52.
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There were no Nordics in America before Columbus.
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Nothing wiking in L'Anse aux Meadows, all is basque.
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When Columbus found America there where probably about 60 million people there before the presence of England so yes, someone go there before Columbus but not Europeans.
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@carmenortiz5294 That library was burned by the Arabs in 47 BC, like others of great importance such as that of Constantinople, Bebelplatz in Berlin or Babylon, but we preserve many Greek, Roman and medieval translations and plans, both Christian and Muslim and none came even remotely close to today's world. Impossible to guess America in them
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Yes, they were lost and resurrected to tell Columbus their history through the aliens.
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@Kobewankenobiofficial I'm not your bro, i'm spanish, show us some of those maps.
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@carmenortiz5294 Columbus died thinking that he arrived to Asia man, do you understand this? Americo Vespucio was the first to see that it was a new continent.
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Not Magellan (he died before) but the spaniard Juan Sebastian El Cano. Pedro Páez Jaramillo discovered the sources of the Blue Nile 150 years before James Bruce. We discovered Australia too 200 years before Cook (yes, we have the planes of the coast in Sevilla) and so on. The pass of Drake 205 years before Drake the pirate.
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"Green"land was the first publicity campaign in history. They all defeated when turned white again.
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Null version, it has already been proven and there is no Polynesian or japanesse descent in America.
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That were talking with you last friday in the pub.
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ah, Not bad considering that the Vikings did not know writing, only runes.
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@mysticone1798 As I said in other comment, the basque whalers where capturing whales in Terranova (Your imaginary Vindland) from the XII century, it's perfectly documented in texts of the time and all kind of evidences here in Spain, they didn't know that they where in other continent. All vikings in the first occupation of Greenland died. The sttlements you are talking about ARE BASQUE, for winter and ENGLISH of several centuries after. You don't have one only evidence of vikings in America. Repeat with me "We don't have any evidence of vikings in America".
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@mysticone1798 To talk about history you have to talk about texts. In another case you will talk about prehistory. The Vikings did not know how to write. What we have written, the sagas, are based on the tradition of fables, I repeat, oral fables written by monks centuries later. Give me an url to see the Viking ship, surely there are more that came from shipwrecks. Everything else you see there are structures of Basque whalers and there is a Christian church, therefore it is IMPOSSIBLE for it to be Viking at that time, which in addition they didn't even build like that, much less in a place like that where, according to you, only one crew would have arrived. Oh look, we have arrived in America, we are going to call it Vindland because it looks like it is full of grapes or blackberries. Then we will never return but they will make sagas of our discovery. Nor are we going to leave remains of a dry port to caulk the ship, as they did everywhere they were, nor a forge, burial, nothing. Some English coins according to experts much later than Columbus. I don't have to prove that they weren't there, it's assumed that they weren't there. It is you who has to prove that yes and you can't.
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@mysticone1798 Look man, I'm Spanish and I'm 57 years old, here history studies were more extensive and important than in any English-speaking country. I know all the publicity about the campaign started in the 60s about L'Anse aux Meadows, a well-documented Basque whaling settlement in Spain from the 12th and 13th centuries, which was an industry in the north of Spain, an industry. You don't have a single Viking evidence there, the Basques built their shelters as anyone would have done at that time and a Viking ship, at a time when they were about to disappear from Greenland due to hunger, does not arrive and build a Catholic church there. You can find not one ship, show me besides, you could find 50 there of shipwrecks. Why admonish you? Because you have swallowed an undocumented history and have put up statues of Erik the Red while you expanded the Black Legend against Spain by tearing down statues of Christopher Columbus, communing with all the woke lack of culture.
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@mysticone1798 I don't talk to them because they haven't talked to me or anyone. No archaeologist here is going to tell you that they agree with that theory because there is no evidence. Furthermore, they did not return or report a discovery, nor did it have the slightest relevance if it were true. I can give you hundreds of examples of discovered lands, with other nearby ones not discovered by Westerners throughout history. In Seville we have plans drawn of the Australian coast 30 years before Cook's arrival, of Galician whalers, Spain was not interested in sending an expedition there, the sailors' data said that it was a poor land, however they did not see New Zealand.
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@caezar55 Spain was in most parts of northamerica man, even your thanksgiven day is not of the pilgrims of the Mayflower, it was a spanish episode with northamericans natives.
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There were no Irish in America before Columbus.
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There is no reliable evidence to indicate that Brendan ever reached Greenland or the Americas.The Saint Brendan Society celebrates the belief that Brendan was the first European to reach North America.
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@DanMac-lh7tl Of course, even the aliens arrived earlier according to many of you. The day of Columbus' Discovery is celebrated for Europe, for civilization and because without Spain, America as you know it would not exist nor would the USA exist without Spain's support for Independence. Therefore it is an insult to Spain, to civilization, to the intelligence, to the histoty in general and to your own tradition.
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For Brendan the Voyager please visit our fantasy and legends section, 6th floor, thank you.
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Where did Columbus mention any fabule like that of Brendan, writen by a monk many time later?
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@carmenortiz5294 NO. He only made annotations of famous books who he read after the discovery to justify his teories.
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@carmenortiz5294 Yes, Brendan was a monk as I said, that in a small boat in the 6th century he wouldn't even cross that sea, he didn't leave a record of anything and a guy comes in 1980 to tell us what this Brendan guy did and you believe him . Another thing, I am Spanish, Columbus' navigational diaries were required reading in school as children like most of the universal literature, music and philosophy and you are not going to teach a Spaniard born in the 60's anything, but especially history or any humanistic subject. Hhahahaha, you are ridiculous.
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I understand, so Hoi-sin lived from the 400s to the 1680s when Bering died.
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They could not do high altitude navigation, only coastal navigation.
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@kylerjones4411 Vikings did not reached Newfoundland ever. Yes, the Polynesians could move from one place to another because they had records of volcanic activities, all the islands they occupied are volcanic although we do not know how many times they failed in their attempts, they did know that in certain directions they would find land because the birds and other animals and plants also went from one to another, and it is not the only trick you can use to follow a navigation route to land, from studying the remains on beaches, wild animals, observing clouds and even using carrier pigeons to determine the starting point. . Furthermore, their boats did not require caulking, but Viking and medieval boats in general did. If you read Columbus's diary you will see that the Admiral was an expert in all of this. As I said, in these times you could only do coastal navigation, they did not have a sextant but they did have an astrolabe, although it was not exactly accurate, since probably 1000 years BC, which was perfected for navigation but still only served with a few stars and not It determined the zenith well, so it did not allow sufficient autonomy either. The myth of the Viking compass is that, just a myth, in fact they used rope techniques to determine some variations, but nothing more.
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@carmenortiz5294 Aha, so you are a fervent believer, you also believe in the Holy Trinity and the virginity of the Virgin Mary.
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@vascomartins334 The Canary Islands were always part of the Kingdom of Castile. In the Treaty of Zamora 1143, when Castile-León recognized Portugal, it had not ceded the rights of any territory that had not been Portuguese, therefore the Canary Islands remained Castilian since Portugal did not exist as a nation and had previously been visited by French, Italians and Pliny himself spoke about them although not first hand, they are mentioned by Boccacio and Dante. The Genovese Lanzarotto Malocello is considered its discoverer, since he placed it for the first time on a map and wrote it in a Report in Mallorca. In the Treaty of Tordesillas, Portugal made the measurements from Cape Verde, not from the Canary Islands because they were Spanish. But they should have measured from Portugal, they cheated. The Portuguese, like the rest, had no idea of the existence of America, if they had they would have gone for it and would have saved traveling 80% of the planet to trade with "The Indies". Columbus himself died convinced that he had reached them, not America. In fact, he did not name them as a continent. The name America was given by a German geographer, Martín Waldseemüller, in the first map that included it, in honor of "Americo Vespucio", a Florentine who later became a Spanish citizen, who was the first to realize that the New World was not "The Indies." . The Treaty of Tordesillas did not divide the world in two, because other divisions already existed, what it did was limit the claims of the new discoveries of the two powers, Spain and Portugal. That's why all of America except for a small strip was Spain. "All new lands and those yet to be discovered."
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@carmenortiz5294 Of course, when you stopped at a gas station you could always buy an Abba tape and a secret map of America that no one used to avoid getting rich, only Columbus knew about them.
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@Kobewankenobiofficial Ok so you can saw me a single one.
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@vascomartins334 Of course he knews that there was land there, the Treaty of Tordesillas was signed 2 years after America was discovered, ignorant , and you had a very small piece of Brazil because as your pirate partners, instead of counting from Lisbon you counted from Cape Verde, everything else was stolen. The Canary Islands were Portuguese for 52 days, until the Pope realized the error and corrected the bull to return them to their legal owner, Spain and the Wild Islands are also Spanish, they are part of the Canary Islands, that is why they were not claimed, then another pirate came average Portuguese to claim them. The only thing Portugal rules are beach towels. America is called that because the name was given by Martin Waldseemüller, in honor of Américo Vespucio who was the first to map it when he was traveling with the Spanish, hahahahaha, these Portuguese are one in a million.
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Hahahaha, I made the same with my kayak from Galicia but when arrived the beach where full of aliens.
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@bconni2 E escravitude. E máis que houbera, jajajajaja
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@borisnegrarosa9113 Spaniards where the first europeans in Japan, we had a cultural and commercial colony before Portugal. With permission of the emperor we founded a Catholic Church there when looking for a return route to América of the Galleon of Manila, they made an expedition to Spain too and all them remained in Spain, their descendants continue to live here in Andalucía, also another fort near Camberra. Juán Jufré and Juán Fernández, but we have several maps of the west coast many years before by spanish whalers and other people. Luis Báez de Torres, New Guinea in 1606. Guam, Marian Islands and many other islands.
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@treborhi Yes he died but also we had a lot of problems with him, in the Canary Islands he kidnapped the Spanish crew and the Portuguese put all kinds of obstacles to the project. Even so, through stupid diplomacy, the current government allows them to publicize the event as a Portuguese milestone. The truth is that it was a Spanish success comparable to the moon landing but with much greater significance. The honor corresponds to Juan Sebastian Elcano, the sailor who gives the name to our Army Trainning Ship.
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@borisnegrarosa9113 No, You didn´t read all my comentaries. Portugueses arrived after an accident ( a storm) at Tanegashima were you token slaves and sold arms. You did´t established nothng at 1543, 6 years after arrived the spanish and we stabished a commercial colony, a jesuitic church and diplomatic relationship. Dutch were there and in several spanish discoverd islands (many secret, Australia for instance) after the invasion of Manila were they found maps.
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@borisnegrarosa9113 Your argument is almost finished, you just have to add that the SPANISH Jesuit Francisco Javier, founder of the order with Saint Ignatius of Loyola, landed on the Island of Kyushu and the date that I put, August 15, 1549. Thank you to learn with me and wipe your a** with what you wrote. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Xavier
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@borisnegrarosa9113 Religious people are nor employed by anybody. The Pope entrusted the Portuguese king with the task, as a subject of the Church, although the Portuguese did not evangelize practically anything, they were on other matters. So much so that India itself would be named an independent Jesuit province by the Pope with Francisco Javier commanding, thus making the lack of Portuguese authority clear. He had to write to the king of Portugal to complain about the treatment of the Spanish by the Portuguese officers themselves, at the same time that the Portuguese did nothing after the massacres of Catholics in Ceylon. And I no longer follow this discussion, if you want to continue I teach classes at the university.
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No, they aren't, if you find something from vikings who didn,t arrived from a storm to the coast let me see it. There are no japanese ADN in Perú, nothing, nada, nitchs.
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