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Michael Halpern
"The walking/standing style mech doesn't have to be much better at climbing than modern tanks are"
I know that.
"the advantage would come from the versatility they could possess- without requiring major modification- there's a whole ton of construction related uses for them (ie bridge laying and trench digging)."
Engineering use of mechs is obvious, debate was about its military use especially as main combat units. Mechwarrior style mechs are mostly combat specialized without much other ability, when in Gundam mobile suits were basically a weaponized engineering equipment.
"As for the movement system, the thing is the longer it is- the less useful they become compared to traditional ground vehicles- so treads on "legs" that would basically act as an extra layer of suspension so the treads don't need to be as long is actually very practical- if you can perfect it."
Best solution is hybrid design what can both ride and climb if needed through advanced suspension acting as "legs". It is in fact also natural evolution of traditional ground vehicle. Idea is that walking don't have much advantages and many flaws, but there are case where walking could be useful. Anyway NASA work on that already..
"The biggest 3 problems would be how would you justify the cost, the requirement for a definitive intuitive control system (regardless of the number of the crew size be it 1 man or 2, this is a requirement), and complexity for field repairs."
Cost and demand for extra control will sole itself with progress of tech. After all it is basically normal robotic just on larger scale, and robotic evolve on its own for own reasons. Biggest problem is susceptibility to failures and problematic repairs, that is why it is pointless to make pure walking mechs as they don't have much real advantages.
"Two of which may be addressed if this "sport" becomes a regular thing."
I totally agree. I never intend to deny that.
"They realistically wouldn't be much bigger than the one in the video- on account of an issue the Germans encountered with their 800mm cannon armed land ships in WWII"
Totally agree.
"aside from the engineering issues massive ground vehicles present- there is also the issue that they need to be able to travel through towns and cities- and that means they need to fit on roads."
You forget that large vesicles are also easy target on aerial attacks. That is why aircrafts are now main force in naval battles, when on ground you can still cover vehicles under tree lines, etc. Only artillery and specialist equipment have reason to be larger then main battle tank.
"40ft machines may cause utter devastation- but if you have to move around every major urban area- well they aren't that useful. Size isn't the important part- it's capability"
I seriously doubt. Such easy target would be easily destroyed from air and there are bombs what can annihilate whole bunkers, so one large vehicle wouldn't mean much more here, even less.
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Aspiring Marauder
"No, I mean I like mechs that looks less like an action figure or a toy and more like something that would actually see action, or work properly without collapsing in on itself or falling over."
This is illogical statement. Looking and working aren't oppose thing. In fact classic mechwarrior design even if is cool and stable have mayor flaws which many Japanese designs don't. Basically if you can make a humanoid robot (and we can) that to some degree (related to material though) you can make it also giant.
"They don't have to be fat, just well proportioned, with enough weight support on the bottom to support it."
Then I guess you want a tank, not a mecha. Whole idea of mecha is based on having mass on top.
"I was also aiming for your original post of the thread, about making a scale gundam."
That obviously isn't for use but for technical progress (also Gunadam was space ship and combiner what they obviously can't do yet). Anyone wouldn't make it anyway, just they make analyze of possibility and that exist.
"And, while the Karatas does work, and it does look fairly stable, it still just has too much... I dunno, gundam in it."
So you say that its problem is that it is more advanced? Because if you ask about "something that would actually see action, or work properly without collapsing in on itself or falling over." then Kuratas is far more that then silly bipedal American design, while Kuratas isn't bipedal and so far more stable and agile. Not to mention that Votoms design was alway more realistic then Mechwarror one.
"Just too stylized. I mean, does it really need arms with hands?"
You are aware that Kuratas is commercial mass produced nerd gadget? It was meant to be stylized in order to sell, but point is that tech itself is reasonable when American one not only is overstylized (what they don't hide) but also unpractical.
And yes, mecha commonly have reasons to have arms as engineering equipment. Even many modern Mechwarrior designs have them in order to make rising after falling easier, not to mention that male battle is planed for this event and so Americans also would need have them at least as module. Difference is that Japanese have them already when Americans don't, nothing more.
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Aspiring Marauder
"The actual first popularized mechs were from early science fiction pulp novellas"
To some degree, but I wouldn't say that it make them big thing until anime make topic big. After all there is reason why even in professional use there is Japanese word "mecha" used as a name, even if it don't need to be and what weirder Japanese also don't use it as they call it Super Robo.
"Tri-Pods, of H.G Wells' War of the Worlds."
It was stated specifically about bipedal, which tripod isn't, so even if you are correct about genre overall origin it is still irrelevant here.
To be honest I'm not sure that there isn't any bipedal western mecha before that (but if it would it would be known I guess). But simple fact is that in Diesel Punk most such are retrofited, as it wasn't originally popular topic.
"Or, the AT-ST's and AT-AT's of Star Wars."
Which come from 80'ties (when first Japanese Super Robo is from 56'ks) and were know exactly to be inspired by anime, as it wasn't first think borrowed form Japan by Lucals.
"Only difference between those and weeaboo mechs is that AT-ST's and AT-AT's don't have arms."
You are aware that many Japanese mechs also don't have them, when some of western also do. Also Evangelion definitely have arms is we speak about weeaboo mechs specifically. LOL
"Yes, Lucas took inspiration for Star Wars from Japanese media, but it was The Hidden Fortress (1958)"
So he was inspired by one Japanese movie but he couldn't be inspired by something what was big in Japan basically from 70'ties? He didn't need watch Matzinger to at least bump on this idea when he deal with Japanese stuff already.
"Mechs were not a Japanese invention."
No one said that, but denial of fact that they make them popular is quite stretch.
"Mecha are a branch off of the original mech concept"
No they aren't, or even such statement don't have any sense. But if you mean that Super Robo branch from ideas from western Science Fiction and then back on Japan popularity rising from 70'ties through domination of Nintendo, leading to creation in pair with Real Robo larger genre called Mecha. Then it would be correct.
"meant to appeal to Japanese standards of "artistry" and "grace" "
Ugh.. what? Western designs are overly primitive what make them look possible for 90'ties standard, but simple fact is that Japanese one were far better designed overall as Japanese have larger experience with the topic, and large wave of "making mechs possible" in the 80'ties, when most people on the west known mostly only Super Robo from 70'ties reruns in 80'ties on West, what lead to stereotype that Japanese designs are impossible and poorly thought.
"(you don't see too much of that in Japan nowadays, let me tell ya)."
You are aware that early 2000't was also time of large crisis of this genre even in Japan (reasons are complicated and related ironically to economy there), not to mention that genre popularity collapsed on west after people find out that western (not the Japanese) idea about topic is unrealistic and Super Robo was simply over-exploited when publishers basically refuse to adopt most Real Robo because it was too complicated for western kid-audence?
If so popularity of genre start rise from some time, especially because there is many good mecha series like Metal Gear or ZOE, and people on west start rediscovered Real Robo.
"Get off your high horse. Japan isn't the be all and end all of human civilization."
No one said that on the first place (Kuratas is simply design wise better, what shouldn't be surprise as it is commercial product not something what fanboys made in garage). You clearly sound as someone blinded by hatred or insecurity here. Calm down dude.. LOL
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@ExaltedDuck No. Only hypocritical thing here is that you call yourself the scientist and don't act as scientist denying point of science what is the research, dragging debate into personal zone. Also I don't deny your point about "shady journalism" but even here you forget that most articles mentioned possible spacecraft and weren't scientific by definition. Even if it was sensational journalism, some scientists (SETI) did consider such possibility, but didn't find anything conclusive.
"It's not science, it's speculation"
Hypothesis is first step in science. Also all sources what Scot described did fallow that pattern. First the possibility, later the analyze usually inconclusive. That journalism what isn't science overblown the conclusions, is irrelevant toward the science itself.
"Occam's razor should lead us to look at the likelier explanations"
No, it isn't how it work. Ockham write how to avoid circular proves, but didn't promote ignorance. Yes, you can't prove one theory with another theory (at least without specific reason), but fact that something is more probable isn't prove for anything. In fact making such assumptions break Ockham Razor as you use something what is still a theory as a argument. Obviously making practical assumptions for cases irrelevant to your research is another story. It is why most scientist is atheist, but not many is antitheist.
And again, journalism isn't a scence by definition and what is "waste of resources" and "more realizable ideas and technology" are just your opinions. It is why history usually remember those who did go against "obvious things" (at the time) like Ether or Geocentric theory. Because in end, the proves are what matter in science.
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