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@leogeek sure I appreciate the genuine question, and for the record I don’t think you’re dishonest or anything like that.
Socialism has a long history at this point. The one consistent tenet of it always being at its core, worker management of their own workplaces. So basically an economy that is ran bottom-up. During the Russian revolution, this was still what socialism was seen to mean. However Lenin when he was rising to prominence and the revolution was taking place and workers were taking over their workplaces, created a new political dogma called “vanguardism” which basically argued that the way towards socialism was to not directly hand over power to workers but to centralize power in the hands of a state, and basically did a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify how creating an elite vanguard party ruling over society would somehow lead to worker’s emancipation. Workers councils tried fighting this, and many socialists, communists, and especially anarchists at the time noticed this was some weird right wing deviation of what socialism was supposed to be. This wasn’t a naturally evolving meaning of socialism, this was an authoritarian state appropriating a popular term opportunistically for its own power. That combined with the fact that this gave America a perfect opportunity to demonize socialism by giving that term to the USSR basically made all genuine discourse on socialism poisoned thereafter. Many socialists did genuinely get caught up into supporting the USSR as they saw it as beacon of hope and were willing to look past a lot of things because it fronted the idea that it was socialist so successfully. This has happened with multiple different political terms. “Libertarianism” actually used to mean a left wing movement basically akin to anarchism. The term “free market” has no place in current society, our markets are controlled by centralized private and state power with little control or freedom of the masses to trade. Communism, a stateless classless moneyless society is somehow now a totalitarian state, the precise opposite. Basically, vanguardists are not genuine socialists and are closer to right wingers than anyone on the left. The most consistent tenet of the political spectrum is one of supporting or being against social hierarchies/oppression, and the one different systems ally or fight against each other most on generally. This is why anarchism is considered to be the farthest left position possible. Because it categorically rejects all social domination of others in every form.
To sum up, actual socialism is a society/economy in which workers directly run their own workplaces, rather than a capitalist society where private owners control workplaces top down. Many states around the world still cling to the label socialism for propaganda purposes similar to the USSR, it’s the same as the USA calling itself democratic or free while elections and politicians and policies are practically bought off entirely by massive corporate power with remarkable consistency. There are no socialist states in existence as far as I’m aware. There are countries that are CLOSER to socialism than others, for example nazi Germany was significantly farther from socialism than the United States, and Finland is significantly closer than the USA. But majority of the power is still in private and state power separated from the masses, and therefore still capitalist. Genuinely socialist countries are crushed under the collaborative weight of capitalist powers unifying to destroy them top down. If you’d like to see a phenomenal example of a socialist society currently in existence, the Zapatista uprising in Mexico is a particularly good example, and not only are they socialist but anarchist as well. (Though they reject all political labels put onto them, which I support.) the anarchist revolution 8 million people strong during the Spanish civil war is a great example too. If you’re looking for a nation-state that’s socialist though, you’re not gonna find any since that’s kinda antithetical to socialism in concept, and any that came close were typically crushed by the United States in recent history, such as Yugoslavia and Cuba. I of course as an anarchist still have critiques of many societies that don’t seek to liberate people across all sectors like race, sex, gender, gay, age, etc etc. as well. Hope this helps you.
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@deidaranohits I think they can be paid for access to the information, but information can’t be gatekept and consent shouldn’t be able to be revoked afterwards. Basically whoever you release it to (presumably for money) has free access now, and people can make sure that credit goes to the actual creator of something, and therefore money that is made off the labour of the creator, without putting in their own labour wouldn’t be allowed as that would be capitalist an exploitative. I think the problem comes when giant media orgs get to strictly gatekeep their IPs beyond what is exploitation of the creators. After a certain amount of time, such as when a piece of media reaches popular culture and most have seen it, I don’t think it’s reasonable or creates a free society to build a ton of infrastructure that systematically enforces censorship on anyone that wants to share it. For one it’s impossible and two it’s authoritarian at that point, and third it actually hinders the benefit of the creator arguably. The larger scale a media release gets the more free it should get, because you are also more likely to get compensated for your labour to a very fair amount, but nobody should be making hundreds of millions or billions off one piece of art, nothing one person can make is that relatively valuable to other people’s labour. Basically what im saying is that one’s labour profits would and should grow with how many souls it touches but per person it should decrease as scale does. There’s no reason to charge 8 billion people $100 to watch a piece of media, there is nothing that valuable and after a certain scale it becomes impossible to enforce that. Pirating and torrenting can never be stopped
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@nicolasceresoli9121 I looked into what you're talking about, just a read of wikipedia and it seems like there's a reasonable case to believe he engaged in corruption if you believe them after hearing about the biases of the judges which convicted him and stuff. I'm not knowledgeable to say for sure but gun to my head, it seems like he did engage in some kind of corruption maybe. Which is obviously bad and wrong and indefensible. Regardless though, it seems like he in practice is the best candidate brazil has by a long shot and has done a lot of immense good for the country, so I still see it as something to be happy about. If I had to guess, (I'm not defending it, again just a guess) I'd guess that the corrupt actions he did were probably relattively normal for the position and every other president probably engaged in them, but biases of the judges lead to them not tolerating the corruption this time. Which they shouldn't have of course, but I highly question the idea that Bolsonaro, a fascist, didn't engage in anything close to what lula may have done.
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@andrewcdavies21 I appreciate that you want to learn more about these things. Human society is quite complicated and when there’s a lot of suffering in areas, humans act in especially weird ways. Under chaotic, unstable, and oppressive systems people often become desperate, and when people in society are taught not to question authority in almost every way from childhood, and people aren’t organized enough to replace their government when they fail, already existing power structures take advantage of desperation and take over the country. And the most power hungry and corrupt are the ones who fill that gap if people are vulnerable to that stuff enough. Nazi germany is the quintessential example of this after WW1. There are more than one or two ways fascism or authoritarianism in general can look though, although they all tend to follow similar philosophies whether intentional or not. That’s why typically authoritarians and people who support authoritarianism get along with and have so much in common often with other tyrants, because power is what influences these people and society most. That’s why the basis of the political spectrum, left to right, is a scale of this exactly. Decentralized vs centralized power. Freedom vs tyranny. Authoritarianism vs freedom. That’s what politics is at the basis about.
That said, the right has an interest in appealing to these left wing ideas to appeal to the masses even when they don’t actually support them, because open right wing beliefs are disgusting to the average people, such as racism, destroying the environment by massive corporations and states, sexism, homophobia, xenophobia, transphobia, etc etc etc etc etc. These are all social hierarchies, some of which are just scapegoats to distract the avg person away from problems they care more about such as class issues.
Basically to answer your main question, power is the reason why powerful people do terrible unpopular things, because they’re in solidarity only to other powerful people who share it with those that serve them.
I hope that helped you out a bit:) there’s so much disinformation online, be careful and think slowly about stuff yknow
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