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  1. ​ @rutabagasteu  Judging from the distance, the US soldiers had ben at least as lucky, not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed them. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  2.  DaveLF  Really in 1985 the Italian Air Force had at least four times the fighters than all the combat aircrafts of the Saratoga Carrier Strike group (and that including the A-6 and A-7 among the US combat aircrafts and not including the 100 Tornado among the Italian ones). The BVR capability of the US fighters was based on a missile of dubious reputation, and the capability of the Carrier strike group to intercept incoming seaskimming missiles like the Otomat was at least questionable.
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  3.  @sadwingsraging3044  If those capabilities don't include to deflect bullets with the power of mind, at that distance they would have been cut down like grass. Training makes better soldiers, not superhumans. Trained person standing in the open without bulletproof vests at five yards form a common bloke with an SMG, SMG wins.
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  4. Italians obtained what they wanted infact. American guys came back home with nothing.
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  5.  @bloodybones63 As said, you can see the pictures. At that distance and without bulletproof jackets vs. SMGs? Seal Team 6 & Delta Force would have been cut down like grass. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  6. Fortunately there are the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed each other at that distance. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  7.  @rmcc655  They handled it in the sense that the Italians obtained what they wanted, and the Americans came back home with nothing infact.
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  8.  @rmcc655  It seems you have not much to say about the topic, if you have to attack the interlocutor instead. Sorry to have burst your power-delusion bubble.
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  9.  @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Well, that's what they said later. At Grenada in 1983 their performance had not been that stellar.
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  10.  @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Prime ministers don't try or charge anyone in Italy. Like in some other place in the world, there is an indipendent judiciary system.
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  11. The hijackers had been trialed and condemned according to Italian laws.
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  12.  @rmcc655  Surely there was a reason for deciding to put their tails between their legs and came back home with nothing. Anyone can guess what's more comfortable for him.
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  13. It seems you missed that Khaled Hussein, the commander of the group, died in prison at Benevento on 21 jun 2009. To say that he didn't "serve his entire sentence" is at least misleading. Should he have lived forever to serve it for more?
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  14.  @TheHistoryGuyChannel  Other name of Abdul Rahim Khalid, condemned in absentia to life in 1987 for having planned the hijacking, arrested by the Greek police in 1991 and died in an Italian prison in 2009. https://www.nytimes.com/1991/05/29/world/extradition-agreed-to-in-achille-lauro-case.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1991-03-19-mn-543-story.html https://www.ilsecoloxix.it/italia/2009/06/22/news/muore-in-cella-la-mente-del-sequestro-dell-achille-lauro-1.33269963
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  15. US government allow their allies to use US bases without permission? No? Case closed. Today something like that wouldn't be even thinkable. But then the US tended to mistake allies for doormats.
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  16. Infact they got what they wanted, while the US tough guys conveniently put their tails between teir legs and came back home with nothing.
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  17. In 1985 the Italian F104s (the "S" was for "Sparrow", the missile) could hit BVR, the F16 couldn't. It would have been like a fight between someone standing in the centre of a football field with a knife (F-16), and a sniper on the stands with a rifle (F104)
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  18.  @sadwingsraging3044  You can see the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed them. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  19.  @youtubeisbroken241  The fact that the US wouldn't have permitted it in one of their own bases is the deciding factor. Italy should have... because? If it's not US territory, then US can't use it at will.
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  20. Sparrow missiles of the F-104 worked. Phoenix missiles of the F-14... meh...
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  21. You are mistaking it for the sinking of the Oceanos. The evacuation of the Achille Lauro had been performed in perfect order. The crew kept on fighting the fire for more than an hour after the last passenger was evacuated, and the captain left the ship, last one, almost an hour after the last member of the crew had left it, after having personally checked all the cabins.
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  22. It seems you didn't follow the clip. Italy got and trialed the hijackers as it wanted.
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  23. It sucked more for those that came back home with nothing.
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  24. The Beretta 92F already won the Joint Service Small Arms Program when this incident happened. The only thing "flawed" in the trials was the SIG P226 being allowed to keep on competing after having failed the mud reliability tests, only to not have the Beretta as the sole ramaining competitor.
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  25. Same scenario today: Trump says he'll solve anything with a personal talk with his good friend Abu Abbas.
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  26. The "puppet" obtained what it wanted. The "masters" put their tails conveniently between their legs and came back home with nothing.
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  27. Yeah. Allies don't try to use air bases of the allies without permission.
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  28.  @anthonyhargis6855  Right. US are currently still not enough isolated internationally. They should be allyless.
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  29.  @anthonyhargis6855  Who doubt about it? Falling share of world's trade, falling share of world's GDP. Why they should need allies?
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  30.  @anthonyhargis6855  I already answered. Falling share of world's trade, falling share of world's GDP. Why they should need allies? US are pretty much destined to be a nation among many others. It's only a question of anticipating or delaying that moment.
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  31. Your allies can use your bases without permission?
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  32. You can see the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed those American Navy Seals and Delta Force. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  33. You have to call for help if you want it. Your allies can use your basis without your consent?
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  34.  @jupitercyclops6521  Five meters distance, standing in the open, and without even bulletproof jackets? Training makes better soldiers, not superhumans. Maybe the US special forces could prevail, even if with heavy losses, over the guys directly in front of them. Then what exactly the survivors would have done? The base entrances were guarded by other Italian soldiers armed with heavy MGs. The injured ones could have been treated only in Italian hospitals...
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  35. Your allies can use your bases without permission?
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  36. And would have been devastated in return. You can see the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed each other. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  37. They had been trialed, sentenced, and served the sentence according to the Italian laws.
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  38.  @stephenlarson523  Trialed, sentenced, and served the sentence according to the Italian laws. Italian soil, Italian laws, is as simple as that. The opinions of other countries about the functioning of Italian judiciary system are only relevant when they have lower crime rates to show.
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  39.  @stephenlarson523  Sorry, but it's enough to look at Italian and US homicide rates to see that it's in the US that human life is worthless. Probably US should revisit their laws on the matter to try reach Italian standards. Oh, the reductio ad hitlerum. Someone still believes this shit works? Since you likes to make comparisons, there is some demonstration that your laws are better than the Italian ones on the Hitlerometer? He executed a lot of people didn't he? Probably he would have liked the US laws much more.
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  40.  @youtubeisbroken241  So if you don't allow someone to use your basis without premission, you are "problematic"? US allow that?
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  41.  @youtubeisbroken241  It's not a question of "denial of a base". The US tried to use a foreign base for a corvert operation without any notice to the country that base belonged to. They had been very lucky to not have all the US personnel involved arrested (that's what would have happened nowadays). The operation had nothing to do with NATO (apart if you consider NATO a US property, that's not). It was a purely US conceived operation that used a NATO base like it was its own territory. US allow that in their own bases? No? Case closed. Sorry, your shit load of money is not buying people or countries. The terrorists had been trialed in Italy, sentenced, and served their terms under Italian laws. Italian territory, Italian laws, is as simple as that.
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  42.  @youtubeisbroken241  I think you really ignores how a NATO base works. Sigonella is a NATO base that's operated half by Italy and half by US. IT'S NOT US TERRITORY. US have the permission tu use an Italian base as long as it's for NATO purposes, not as they likes. None take off and none land at Sigonella without the permission of an Italian flight controller. That was not a NATO operation. It was a purely US conceived operation that used a NATO base like it was its own territory US allow that in their own bases? No? Case closed. there is nothing else to say. In 1985 it had been amply demonstrated who owns that base.
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  43. You can see the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed those 80 US very special forces. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg the VAMs were armed with BM59, the Carabinieri (not local police, but military police) with Beretta M12s SMGs, the US special troops had no bulletproof jackets and the only possibility they had to be treated if injured were Italian hospitals.
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  44.  @ChristaFree  That would have been later, honey. What happens later does not affect what happened earlier. AND, since in Italy there are not only the few dozens guard airports of Sigonella and US military bases, the response would have came from the Italian armed forces too, that happened to be a little bigger than the US forces in Italy. Think about it all the way through honey. In case of a real armed confrontation, US soldiers in Italian bases would have been more hostages than assets.
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  45. The hijackers had been trialed in Italy under Italian laws.
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  46.  @AA-xo9uw  Khalid Hussein killed himself in an italian prison in 2009 at the age of 79. Maged Al Molky had been released the same year, after having served 23 years, and expelled in Siria. Abdellatif Ibrahim Fatayer had been released on 2008 after having served the sentence. Ahmad Al Assadi also served his sentence entirely. Bassam Al Ashker, 17 at the time of the hijaking, fled the prison in 1995 and died in 2004 in prison in Bagdad.
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  47. F-16 couldn't carry BVR missiles in 1985. Sparrow missiles vs. a fighter unable to hit BVR? Yes, it would have been one-sided.
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  48. You allies can use your basis without permission? Italian territory, Italian law.
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  49. Hilarious indeed. You can see the images. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed the US guys at that distance. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  50. Abdul Rahim Khalid, condemned in absentia to life in 1987 for having planned the hijacking, had been arrested in Athens in 1991 and died in an Italian prison in 2009. Of the four hijackers, three served their entire sentence, one fled in 1991.
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  51. In 1985, F-104s could hit BVR, and F-16 couldn't. It's like a fight between a sniper (F-104) and someone standing in the centre of a football field.
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  52. Seals had not been exactly stellar at Grenada two years before, and there, standing in the open, they were as good as cardboard targets. BTW, it was all filmed https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  53. Infact the "no backbone" Italians got what they wanted. The US tough guys put their tails conveniently between their legs and came back home with nothing.
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  54. I higly doubt you know something about Italian, or any other for that matter, legal system. The legal outcome had been that the four hijakers had been sentenced to various terms. The autors of the bombing of Bologna railway station in 1980 had been released once the sentence had been served, that was in 2009 for Fioravanti and Mambro. It was not that difficult to know why,
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  55. I don't think any of the guys in the standoff gave a shit about how many American bases there were In Italy at that moment.
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  56. F-104s' Sparrow (Aspide) worked, F-14's Phoenix... meh...
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  57. They would have been, had they allowed the US to use one of their base without permission. Since they didn't, they obtained the hijackers like they wanted.
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  58. There are the pictures. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg https://www.adhocnews.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Sigonella.jpg
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  59. Allies can use US military bases to do what they wants without permission? No? So fuck off.
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  60. Allies can use US military bases to do what they wants without permission? No? So fuck off.
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  61. The borderline pussies got the hijackers and trialed them under their law. The tough guys came back home with nothing.
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  62. The Sparrow worked, the Phoenix, meh...
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  63. You allies can use your military bases without permission? How strange.
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  64. "authorised" by who? Is not like the US controls flight plans and authorizations worldwide. The aircraft was a civilian Egyptian aircraft, and that was enough.
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  65.  @patrickeh696  So you don't know what to say (to refer to a superior knowledge without explaining is typical of who's ignorant of the matter).
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  66. The hijackers had been trialed, sentenced and served their terms under italian laws (one tried to escape, but was catched again). Khaled Hussein, the commander of the group, died in prison at Benevento on 21 jun 2009.
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  67.  @loki2240  Easy to speak later, but there are the pictures. Not even the imperial stormtroopers could have missed those US Very Special Forces. https://www.blogsicilia.it/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/image.jpeg
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  68. They didn't need to be in close quarters. In 1985 the F-104s could hit BVR, and the F-16 couldn't
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  69. Not like the US, that armed Iran while making a tough face in public.
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