Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Netflix Did it Again! Was Hannibal Barca Black?" video.

  1. No, we have the coinage, made by themselves, of his father and his brother.
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  2. 1 . Can you show me when did he classified him as "white"? BTW, "most nobles would have been mixed" is a statement that have to be demonstrated. Nobles tend to be jealous of their bloodline, and do not easily intermix with lower subjects. See the depictions that his father and his brother made about THEMSELVES. 2. "erase Carthage from history books"? Exactly from what documents do you know about Carthage? 3. Since when we consider Semitic people es as black?
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  3. His coins, like those of his father and his brother, don't depict him as black.
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  4. So you don't agree with Hannibal, his father and his brother?
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  5. Jesus is represented as white, black, native American, Asiatic and so on, depending on where the church is located.
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  6. There are many examples of Greek coins with that head, surely predating the second punic war since 5th century BC.
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  7. He's 70, and Hannibal was not even 30 when the war begun.
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  8. He was a Phoenician actually. Even his name comes from a Phoenician god.
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  9. Catholic Jesus is white, black, native American, east Asian, Polynesian, etc... depending on where the Church is located. That's a precise choice of the Catholic church. Being Jesus God, and being the humans made at God's image, God is the image of any of them.
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  10. The Arabs didn't "took the land" by any black African. Northern African populations were generally Mediterranean, not black. Not even the Numidians depicted themself as black. THEN, the Carthaginians were not N. Africans, but Phoenicians. So Semites. THEN, we have the coins minted by the father and the brother of Hannibal (and some attributed to Hannibal himself) During their rule in Spain, with their head on them, and they clearly didn't have black features.
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  11. That he was a Phoenician, so a Semite, and Berbers aren't black.
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  12. So why not a middle eastern? There is scarcity of middle eastern/north African actors? In the 2006 TV movie, Hannibal had been played by Alexander Siddig, that was pretty spot on.
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  13. Hannibal lived many years after Zama, first as ruler of Carthage, then acting as counselor of various rulers enemy of the Romans in middle east. He committed suicide 20 years after Zama, to not be captured by the Romans. Ironically, he died the same year of Scipio Africanus.
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  14. Yeah, all he got is that Hannibal was a Phoenician and not an African, that north Africans weren't black and didn't depict themsef as being black, that we have the coins minted by his father and his brother (and some attributed to Hannibal also) with their heads on them, and they didn't have black features. He could also have said that, when Hannibal sent his general, Muttines to act as co-commander of Hanno (brother of Hannibal) and Epicydes in Sicily after he lost Syracuse, Hanno and Epicydes outright refused it because Muttines was half African (berber probably) and not a purebreed Carthaginian. What the other party has?
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  15. You can't put links in youtube comments. they are automatically deleted.
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  16.  @LionClanChief  The elephant was another common theme in Hellenistic coinage, since they were commonly used in war (infact already Pirrhus used them in Italy) and the one on the coin is an Asiatic elephant like them. There is no hint at all that coin had been minted during the second Punic war. It can very well be one century older.
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  17.  @LionClanChief  There is no hint at all that coin had been minted during the second Punic war. It can very well be one century older. The Pompeii statuette had been dated 1 century CE (the eruption that destroyed the city was 79AD), over two centuries after the second punic war.
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  18.  @LionClanChief  I've seen the studies done on them. You evidently didn't. The one you listed is not even a study, Is the description of auctions. Here is the source that debunks and counters your. SNG ANS 39-41; BMC Italy pg. 15, 19; SNG Copenhagen 47; Robinson Yeah, you didn't even read your "source". Have you done, you would have read: "ETRURIA, Uncertain. Circa 240-225 BC." and a series of "ETRURIA, Uncertain inland mint. Circa 300-250 BC" So, even to your "source", the minting of that coinage started AT LEAST 32 YEARS BEFORE THE START OF THE SECOND PUNIC WAR, WHEN HANNIBAL WAS NOT EVEN BORN YET. Have you other sources that disprove your point?
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  19. Jesus had been, and still is, depicted as black, east Asian, or Polinesian for that matter. Why? Because, as a divine entity, he assumes the prevalent aspect of the people that pray to him.
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  20.  @Olfan  Metatron didn't cite the medieval paintings as a proof that Hannibal wasn't black, but as a proof that Hannibal not being black is not some sort of recent appropriation.
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  21.  @skp8748  "Those coins were made centuries later" according to? Those coins had been minted in Spain. Centuries later Spain was a Roman province. So Romans coined Carthaginian shekels with Hamilcar's, Hasdrubal's and Hannibal's heads on them?
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  22.  @skp8748  So, if middle easterns live for centuries on the shores of the Mediterranean, they becomes black Africans? Mediterranean WAS NOT A BARRIER, it was the main trade route for all the civilizations around it. That's why the Roman Empire was formed around the Mediterranean. The Carthaginians were not "away from Phoenicia". They were always trading with all the civilizations in the Mediterranean basin.
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  23. He obviously "can". The real question is "will the fans be OK with that?", and the answer is "no", because there is an estabilished iconography about the character. Is like Danny De Vito playing the part of Sherlock Holmes. Is a fictional character, but H. C. Doyle described him having completely different traits.
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  24.  @sunkings5972  Writing "decades later", at the time, meant writing VERY CLOSE to the facts. Polybius did born during the second punic war, so he talked with direct witnesses, and wrote about it when many of them were still alive. The closest source we have bout the Thermopylae was four when it had been fought.
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  25.  @sunkings5972  Second punic war lasted from 218 BC to al 202 BC. Polybius did born 206 BC. So he born DURING THE WAR. Is like someone born in 1941 writing a book about WWII in 1991. He had the possibility to talk with many veterans, and there were still plenty of them when he wrote.
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  26.  @sunkings5972  Not really. Ancient Egypt hieroglyphics, apart for the Pharaons of the XXV dinasty, that were Nubians, and depicted themselves as black, always depicts Egyptians as having very different color and traits than Nubians. Nubians are depicted with subsaharian traits. Other mediterranean civilizations are depicted like Egyptians with a different hat.
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  27. Carthaginians were Phoenicians, so Semites from middle east. "Poenus" means Phoenician in Latin. Romans literally called those "the Phoenician wars". We don't know who the mother of Cleopatra was. It seems improbable her being a "Nubian" or even a native Egyptian woman for that matter, since their Macedon heritage was pretty important for the Ptolemies (see their own personal names). Surely contemporary depictions didn't feature Cleopatra with any African trait. Ancient Egyptians, apart for the XXV dinasty (who were Kushites, and purposedly depicted themselves as black), didn't consider themselves black. In their depictions, there's always a stark contrast between Egyptians and Nubians (who were depicted with black African traits), while the other Mediterranean civilizations are depicted like Egyptians with a different hat.
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  28. Here's an idea, how about learning your own history before trying to infer that N.Africans were black (and Hannibal WAS NOT OF N.AFRICAN DESCENT, HE WAS A PHOENICIAN, SO A SEMITE FROM MIDDLE EAST) in Roman time? Not only the Carthaginians (that were middle eastern), but even the Numidians didn't depict themselves as black. This urge of some people of African descent to cancel other African cultures is pretty disturbing.
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  29.  @i.YouTuber1  You can start the campaign whenever you want.
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  30. Err... no. "Punus" in latin means "Phoenician". Romans literally called those "Phoenician wars". BTW, all of the elephants of Hannibal died in the Battle of Trebia, at the start of the campaign, bar one, that died soon after, before reaching Etruria. We know that Hanno Barca, Hannibal's own brother, outright refused Muttines to act as his co-commander in Sicily, because Muttines was "half African". That's the level of contempt the Barcids had for Africans. Romans didn't mint coins of Hannibal. He was their enemy, you know? But WE HAVE the coins minted by his father, Hamilcar and his brother Hasdrubal during their rule over Spain (and some attributed to hannibal too) and they didn't sport any black trait. Since you are at it, you can look at the Numidian coinage, to see how the Numidians (that were really N. African, not Semites like the Carthaginians) depicted themselves.
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  31. So you are one of those that believes nowadays N. Africans aren't black because they had been invaded by Arabs. I have a bridge to sell you.
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  32. The Bible is not a scientific text.
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  33. The actors and extras in "Scipione l'Africano" (1937) were all Italians, for the Romans, the Carthaginians and the Numidians. Hannibal had been played by Camillo Pilotto, and Massinissa by Fosco Giachetti. To be a movie shot in the '30s it was pretty well done, and Hannibal is seen in a positive light.
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  34. Are you sure about that? The actor for Scipio had not been announced yet.
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  35. Unfortunately, one of the most difficult things is to faithfully represent ancient formation battles. Soldiers needed a lot of training (and they did already belong to a culture where formation battle was taken for granted) to learn to fight in formation. None has the money to train extras to fight that way. That's why ancient battles on screen always seem huge brawls fought with swords.
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  36. He has to be VERY good, at 70, to play the part of someone that was not even 30 when the war begun.
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  37. Numidians were Berbers, not black. They didn't depict themselves as Black. Check their coins. The two groups intermarried so much that, when Hannibal sent his general, Muttines to act as co-commander of Hanno (brother of Hannibal) and Epicydes in Sicily after he lost Syracuse, Hanno and Epicydes outright refused it because Muttines was half African and not a purebreed Carthaginian. What's even more sad about the pretended "counter 100 years of hollywood racism" you are talking about is that, being hit, are not Europeans. Carthaginians were PHOENICIANS so middle eastern Semites. "And yes there was a black emperor . Syrian to be precise" Since when Syrians are black? "Cleopatra was black or not is not the point . She wasn't white that much is certain" "Certain" how, since she was a Macedon?
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  38. See the "Cesare Chiaramonti" (one of the three busts of Cesar we have that are considered temporarily closest to the living person, the others being the "Cesare Tuscolo", and the newly discovered "Cesare di Terracina", and compare it with Simon Merrells, that in "Spartacus, the war of the damned" played the part of Crassus. they are nearly identical. In the 2006 TV movie, Hannibal had been played by Alexander Siddig, that, while not technically being a middle eastern, or a north African (he's half English, half Sudanese), was physically pretty spot on.
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  39.  @eriquecannon5317  Phoenicians were Semites that spoke a Semitic language. They had never been Africans. Can you show me the sources where these people says Berbers were black? Numidians were berbers, and they didn't depict themselves as black.
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  40. 1. Yeah, but in the end Scipio did beat Hannibal on his own soil and without having a bigger army. Hannibal also learned something sometimes. 2. The Senate didn't like the idea of Scipio's expedition in Africa (Attilius Regulus tried it in the first punic war and failed), so Scipio was there with a second tier army. 3. The Numidians didn't fight for Hannibal at Zama because Scipio massacrated them in a night attack to their camp, and then in the battle of the great plains.
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  41.  @darkhobo  Nice straw man. Now try answering to the topic for a change.
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  42. In the manga "Motoko" is the name of the model, a common one (because it was useful for the Major to not be easily recognizable). Infact in the anime movie, she briefly sees another "Motoko". Even if it's not evident in the manga, from the name itself we can infer she should look japanese.
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  43. They are quite evidently not as dark skinned as subsaharian Africans.
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  44.  @fungames1594  We simply don't know the skin color of paleolitic people,
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  45. We have the coinage of Hamilcar Barca, and he didn't have any black feature. Hanno Barca, Hannibal's own brother, outright refused Muttines to act as his co-commander in Sicily, because Muttines was "half African".
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  46.  @jbsparks3922  So where's the proof that Hamilcar Barca was black African? Because that's your statement. You have to prove it. We have his own coins, minted under his rule in Spain that don't depict him with African traits. We have the contempt his own son had for half Africans. So, what do you have to state he was black African?
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  47.  @jbsparks3922  You can't carbon-date a coin, or any metal. To represent the godlike nature of the general, the coin has to represent the general anyway. If you depict with white features a person that has black ones, you are not representing his godlike nature. You are simply not representing him at all. None is separating anything. We know that there were even cities inhabited by mostly black people in N. Africa a the time of Hannibal, but Carthage was not one of them. So, again, where is your proof that Hamilcar Barca was black African?
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  48.  @jbsparks3922  It's literally in your first post. "Hannibal Barca was born to a Black African father and a Greek mother" The father of Hannibal Barca was Hamilcar Barca. So, again, where is your proof that Hamilcar Barca was black African? "were likely made later by another culture" again ACCORDING TO WHO? Those coins had been minted in SPAIN. Those were Carthaginian SHEKELS. After the Carthaginians, Spain had been dominated by ROMANS. ACCORDING TO WHO THE ROMANS COINED CARTHAGINIAN SHEKELS? I'm curious.
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  49.  @jbsparks3922  I didn't edit the name, and you skipped again the question. WHERE IS YOUR PROOF THAT HAMILCAR BARCA WAS BLACK AFRICAN?
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  50.  @jbsparks3922  You quite evidently don't came from ANY academic place, since you don't know how academy works. Your is the statement, your is the burden of the proof (citing wikipedia and pretending a coin can be carbon dated are also quite damning evidences). The source you provided is: 1) 60 years old. 2) It's not about Roman (or Carthaginian, or ancient) history. 3) It had not been written by a scholar of the matter (had you came from an academic place of any sort, you should have known that not all the researchers are equally credible on any matter, there are specializations). So, since your source is not a study, or a work on Roman (or Carthaginian) history, and had not been written by a scholar on the matter, what were his sources? If you come from an academic place of any sort, you know he should have listed them.
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  51.  @easybandzofficial6456  1) There are tons of them in different cuts, who are those "experts"? 2) Not all the cuts had the club, but, strangely in all of the cuts happens the same change of head when the governor of the province changes. "Melqart, portrayed as resembling the Greek hero Herakles" has a straight nose when Iberia was governed by Hamilcar, and a "boxer's nose" when Iberia was governed by Asdrubal. which god punched Melqart in the nose exactly? 3) Aaaand this is simply false. Where exactly did you read this bullshit?
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  52.  @easybandzofficial6456  I told you that your statement about the Etrurian coin having the name of Hannibal elephants on it is false, and I asked you where did you read that bullshit. So, or you have a source for that bullshit, or you invented it, like you are inventing those "archeologists and historians" without naming any of them.
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  53. That's exactly what he's saying. So why not use a North African actor to play the part of a North African general? There is scarcity of them? How much do you bet that the part of Massinissa will NOT be played by a Berber, but it will be played by someone of black African descent too? Why this need to cancel the other African cultures?
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  54.  @chisome8465  Hannibal was not a Berber. He was a Phoenician, so a Semite. We have the coinage of his father, of his brother, and even some coin attributed to him, they didn't have black traits. Hanno Barca, Hannibal's own brother, outright refused Muttines to act as his co-commander in Sicily, because Muttines was "half African". The native people there were not black, they were Berbers, and the Berbers didn't depict themselves as black. See the Numidian coinage. That "they were black before the Arabs" is bullshit. The Arabs conquered those lands, they didn't wipe out the inhabitants. The Arabs were few people. Ethiopians and Nigerians are not North Africans, and the ancient historians and naturalists CLEARLY distinguished between N. Africans and Ethiopians.
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  55.  @chisome8465  "lol" should be an argument? It's kinda difficult to extract some sense from your blabbering.Y ou should really try to write in English. What I wrote (that's not what you understood) is quite simple. Hannibal was not a Berber. He was a Phoenician, so a Semite. Phoenicians were from middle east. Did you understand that? We know the aspect of his father, of his brother, and even, probably, his own, from the coins that they minted when they ruled over Spain. None of them had black traits. Did you understand that? Hannibal's own brother, Hanno, when Hannibal sent him another commander, Muttines, to act as his co-commander in Sicily, outright refused, because Muttines was "half African", so, for Hanno, inferior to him, that was a pureblood Phoenician. Did you understand that? The natives of N. Africa at the time of Hannibal, were not black, they were Berbers, They depicted themselves as not being black, and had been described by Greek scholars of the time as not being black. Did you understand that? "Before anyone came" there was none. If you are referring to the first hominids that came there, we don't know the color of their skin. Did you understand that?
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  56.  @chisome8465  You literally stated "I’m talking about before anyone came!" Before anyone came, there was none. The Egyptians didn't depict the Libyans, that attacked Egypt with the Sea People in late bronze age, as being black, like their Nubian neighbors were. And that's 1000 years before the Punic wars. If you want to go further back, You don't know what the color of the skin of the neolithic inhabitants of N. Africa was, or how much straight was their nose. Again, go check the Numidian coinage. That's how Numidians depicted THEMSELVES. No black African traits. Are you that states that ALL Africans are black, not me. Are you that is grouping ALL the Africans in a single phenotype, not me.
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  57.  @chisome8465  You are really sporting credentials on a Youtube comment section? LOL! First than accusing someone of "lying" you should at least understand what he's saying, a thing you are evidently unable to do. You can check the Libu chief depicted on the throne of Ramesses III, light skinned tatooed and with an hooked nose. Egyptians actually depicted Libyans as having a fairer skin than themselves, and that makes sense, since the "Egyptian" type was a medium between the inhabitants of upper (closer to Nubia) and lower (Mediterranean) Egypt, while the Libyans were all Mediterranean. The Egyptians depicted themselves as VERY different form the Nubian neighbors, that had dark skin and typical black traits, while the other Mediterranean civilizations were depicted as Egyptians with a different hat (and maybe beard, and a hooked nose). You don't have to use " the word you westerners use to group us". None but you is doing that. As already said: "So why not use a North African actor to play the part of a North African general? There is scarcity of them? How much do you bet that the part of Massinissa will NOT be played by a Berber, but it will be played by someone of black African descent too? Why this need to cancel the other African cultures?" West africa, Nigeria, Etiopia and so on ARE NOT NORTH AFRICA. Sicily, heck, even Berlin, is closer to Chartage than Nigeria. N. Africa being Black before the Arab invasion is 100% bullshit. You stated "I’m talking about before anyone came!", not "before the Greeks came". It' not my fault if you are unable to write. Again, you don't know what the color of the skin of the neolithic inhabitants of N. Africa was, or how much straight was their nose.
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  58. Why who asks this question always knows NOTHING about the channel? Here's an example for you. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ofc910I-Rw0&t=1s Spoiler, he talks about queen Amanirenas of Kush, that was really black, and actually did beat the Romans.
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  59. "crickets"? IT WAS 1982, 40 YEARS AGO, WELL BEFORE INTERNET, and STILL, 40 YEARS LATER, there is criticism about that decision and is clearly said that today it wouldn't be allowed.
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  60. Hannibal was not "white". Carthaginians were Phoenicians, so Semitic.
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  61.  @KJ36999  "other people" in respect to a "continent"? Since wen a continent is "people"?
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  62. Why you should accept that?
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  63. Why shouldn't them?
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  64. Frenology to determine race is a scam even now, figures at the turn of 20th century. About the "shred of evidence that says the people were Semitic before the invasions", can we count, for example, THEIR LANGUAGE AND OWN NAMES? "Hannibal" means "Baal is Gracious" (Baal was a Phoenician god) his brother Hasdrubal means "Help of Baal". His father Hamilcar means "brother of Melqart” (Phoenician god of the city of Tyre, in nowadays Lebanon) "Barca" means "lightning", Hamilcar, father of Hannibal, earned this nickname for his swift victories in battle. So, to you, those were black people cosplaying for Phoenicians for all of their lives? They were so able in disguising them as Phoenicians, that the Romans called them "Phoenicians", and the wars with them the "Phoenician wars". Infact "Poenus" means "Phoenician" in Latin.
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