Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "The Critical Drinker" channel.

  1. Helm's story is a pair of paragraphs in the appendixes. He dies in the middle of the war, the only thing we know of his two sons, beside the names, is that they died in battle before him, and then the war is won by a guy that had never been mentioned before. EVERY movie version of the war between Helm and Wulf would be "not written by Tolkien". ALSO, since Helm and his two sons die before the end of the war, it's EVIDENT that an eventual movie must be seen from someone else's POV. Helm's daughter is the only person MENTIONED BY TOLKIEN that MAYBE had been present troughout all the events.
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  2. She's not stronger than Helm, or than every skilled fighter in the movie. Helm dies in the middle of the war. So it's pretty evident that an eventual movie must be seen from someone else's POV and, since the only thing we know of his two sons, beside the names, is that they died in battle before him, and then that the war is won by a guy that had never been mentioned before. Helm's daughter is the only person mentioned by Tolkien that MAYBE had been present troughout all the events. Or her, or you have to invent a completely fictional character. BTW, for Tolkien Helm was not an example. He was a tragic knucklehead that brought the ruin over his house.
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  3. We have seen from her cruelty on animals and arson, so...
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  4.  @doge-pal  So, to you, every single living thing in Middle Earth that lived longer than Helm ended up being a stronger character than Helm after all, in terms of survivability and in moral character. I never said Tolkien would have written that story. He wouldn't have written Peter Jackson's LOTR, nor his The Hobbit for that matter.
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  5. They also shared a single braincell. Imagine deciding to use, vs. a group of trained Force users, a Force power that's not an instant win, and it doesn't give any real possibility to win (possessing a single Padawan when there are Jedi masters around) but it requires a so complete commitment that, in case something goes wrong, and the Force trained enemies somehow manage to counter it, all of you will instantly die. Bows and arrows vs. lightsabers suddenly seems like a genius move.
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  6. It's exactly because the story is a pair of paragraphs that you have to invent to make a movie out of it. Helm dies in the middle of the war in a likely useless sortie (it had not been decided by the writers, it had been decided by Tolkien). So it's pretty evident that an eventual movie must be seen from someone else's POV and, since the only thing we know of his two sons, beside the names, is that they died in battle before him, and then that the war is won by a guy that had never been mentioned before. Helm's daughter is the only person mentioned by Tolkien that MAYBE had been present troughout all the events. Or her, or you have to invent a completely fictional character.
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  7.  @verindictus3639  And what's the difference between inventing the story of Frealaf and inventing the story of Helm's daughter, besides the fact that Frealaf wasn't in the siege, so his story would have been disjointed from that of Helm?
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  8. ​ @LordVader1094  Unfortunately the only thing Tolkien wrote about this nepew is his name and that he came out of nowhere to win the war. He wasn't there at the start of the war, he wasn't there during the siege. So in what exactly completely inventing his story would have been different than inventing Helm's daughter story, apart for the fact that his story would have been completely disjointed with that of Helm? You shouldn't project on others your ignorance. Tell me, are you talking about Tolkien without having never read him, without having the slightest idea of how narrative works, or both?
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  9. Helm dies in the middle of the war. It's pretty evident that an eventual movie must be seen from someone else's POV and, since the only thing we know of his two sons, beside the names, is that they died in battle before him, and then that the war is won by a guy that had never been mentioned before. Helm's daughter is the only person mentioned by Tolkien that MAYBE had been present troughout all the events. Or her, or you have to invent a completely fictional character.
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  10.  @narnia1233  The multiple narrators third person limited is a choice of Peter Jackson (LOTR book is third person objective). It can be used in LOTR because the stories are interconnected (Helm and Fréaláf are not. One arrives when the other is already dead), and, if used in this movie, would have led to MORE distorsion, because, due to the lack of source material, it would have multiplied the characters you had to invent stories on.
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  11. Tell that to the 200 or so girls she turned into poop.
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  12. Imagine deciding to use, vs. a group of trained Force users, a Force power that's not an instant win, and it doesn't give any real possibility to win (possessing a single Padawan when there are Jedi masters around) but it requires a so complete commitment that, in case something goes wrong, and the Force trained enemies somehow manage to counter it, all of you will instantly die. Bows and arrows vs. lightsabers suddenly seems like a genius move.
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  13.  @John-fk2ky  The only thing we know of that guy is that he surely wasn't in the siege, so you give him more screentime (again inventing events like you invented events for Helm's daughter. Where's the difference, apart for the fact that the inventions are less effective because he can't be a witness?) and? Robert Bruce had a part in Bravehart before the epilogue.
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  14. If "that's the wildest, more offensive thing" she has seen, that's a good news. She had never been offended in her entire life.
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  15.  @narnia1233  The rest of the cast existed BEFORE the death of Gandalf. It didn't appear a new character out of nothing to take his place. Nor you have just few hints of him before he becomes the main character. Wulf is the villain. So in LORT, when Gandalf dies, you have the story from the POV of Sauron? What's exactly the difference from completely inventing the story of Frealaf and completely inventing the story of Helm's daughter? Whe knew Galadriel and Elrond BEFORE that battle and that communication. It's importance is really marginal. And Galadriel and Elrond NEVER become main characters. Again, what you suggest it's completely inventing events that Tolkien didn't write. So, apart for the terrible storytelling, what's the difference?
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  16.  @narnia1233  Sorry, but LOTR doesn't "switch to a 'new' character. Even without any mention of them before" at mid movie, so you can't take it as an example of that. So, to you, they have to completely invent a story for Frealaf. How that should be better than inventing a story for Helm's daughter, apart for the fact that's disjointed with Helm's story? What successful fantasy movie switches at mid movie from a main character to another previously mentioned only in passing letters? I don't know how much more simply I can explain this. You would prefer this movie to be made in a way NO SUCCESSFUL MOVIE HAD EVER BEEN MADE only for the sake to erase a character that Tolkien mentioned and whose presence doesn't contraddict any lore. The multiple POV of LOTR (movie, not book, that has an objective narrator) is made of characters that have all been introduced, have interacted and had a part in the story BEFORE having a POV. How inventing stories for multiple characters we know nothing of should be better than inventing a story for Helm's daughter? Intelligent or not, no successful fantasy movie had ever been done the way you propose. Honestly this is kind of depressing to me that I seriously have to explain this to anyone. It kind of makes me realize how much “modern audience” became an empty slogan, since you used it to negatively describe the way movies had ALWAYS been made. I guess it does make sense that you simply want a certain character to not be used no matter what. At the cost of making a movie in a way no successful fantasy movie had EVER been made, and to completely invent events as well, but simply for other characters that you prefer to see. Everything to not see her. At the cost of making a movies in a way none had been made before. Again, in what way inventing stories about a character instead of another would better the movie? Ok, now you are inventing the POV of Saruman. Sorry, id doesn't exist, nor in the books, nor in the movie. Sorry, but you dont' know the stories "I'm used to" and you shouldn't guess. You are simply advocating for this movie to be made in a way no successful fantasy movie had been made before, only to not have a certain character you dislike on screen.
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  17.  @narnia1233  And what does your sex change? It doesn't solve the fact that this daughter has to do SOMETHING before switching to her POV after Helm's deat, and Frealaf has to do SOMETHING before switching to his POV before the final battle, otherwise the public DON'T CARE about those new guys, and there needs to be some INTERACTION between the characters before the switch. so you have to INVENT actions for two characters instead of one. Between Helm's death (frozen in the middle of winter) and Frealaf 's arrival (in spring) this daughter, whose POV we are following, has to do something. This is an action movie, it can't be the POV of someone that's simply freezing her ass waiting. So, what does exactly change? In movies the events are narrated from the POV of the characters. Those characters need to have AGENCY, they need to have MOTIVATIONS for what they do. it's basic screenwriting. A character without agency is a cardboard stand-in, it doesn't have depth. A character with agency has ambitions, motivations, and a sense of purpose. That's what makes the public root for them. One of the main fault of "modern screenwriting" is that the characters often DON'T HAVE AGENCY. Since they are "kind of character driven" and not "story driven" characters do things only because the plot says so. A story-driven plot is not a plot where a character doesn't have motivations, because one of the purposes of the story is precisely to give motivations to the characters. Aragorn doesn't arrive out of nowhere for the public. They KNOW him. Imagine the same movie, where, instead of Aragorn, it's a certain Poldo Smith that arrives out of nowhere, kicks Gríma Wormtongue out of the palace, and everyone lived happily ever after. Imagine the return of the king where, when Frodo was struggling through the Dead Marshes, Timmy Ross arrives out of nowhere, takes the ring, and takes Frodo's place from then on. What kind of movie will it be? The events are two paragraphs long. There are not enough events for a movie. In the appendixes version EVERY CHARACTER IS A SIDE CHARACTER. Every nominated character beside Helm (that dies in the middle of the war) DOESN'T HAVE A STORY so of what events are you talking about?
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  18. Imagine deciding to use, vs. a group of trained Force users, a Force power that's not an instant win, and it doesn't give any real possibility to win (possessing a single Padawan when there are Jedi masters around) but it requires a so complete commitment that, in case something goes wrong, and the Force trained enemies somehow manage to counter it, all of you will instantly die. Bows and arrows vs. lightsabers suddenly seems like a genius move.
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  19. Millions? It takes millions to write the opening titles.
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  20.  AstraeaJustitia  Yeah, his two sons died before him. None of his friends and associates had ever been mentioned BESIDES a certain daughter. So?
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