Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "General Dynamics US Army Prototype M4 replacement NGSW 6.8mm" video.
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@DeltaCain13 What changes betwen a thermal insulator, like plastic, or gas, and a thermal conductor, like brass, is the speed of heat transfer.
A mind experiment. Put in a owen a metal tray, into the tray, a piece of heat resistant polymer (IE silicone) and heat the owen up to 180C°.
When it heated up, put your hand into the owen. Your hand, at 36 C°, is the coldest system. All the rest (the air into the owen, the polymer and the tray) is at 180C°
Until you are in contact only with the hot air, it seems like it will take forever to get burn, because gasses are very bad at heat transfering.
If you touch the silicon, It also will take a long time to burn you. Because it also transfers heat very slowly
If you touch the metal tray, you'll hear your skin sizzle even before feeling the pain, because the heat transfer is almost instantaneous.
With plastic cases, the case is removed from the chamber before having time to heat it up.
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That of the "heat extraction thru metal cases" had ALWAYS meant "in respect to caseless ammos".
Caseless ammos are ineherently hotter than brass ammos, because the burning powder is in direct contact with the chamber.
Here's the opposite. Plastic shields the chamber from the heat of the burning powder MUCH better than brass. Heat remains in gasses, and it's expelled from the barrel with them, because also gasses are very bad at heat transfer.
The collar is around the primer, not the bullet. Plastic seals better than metal, and plastic cases don't need to shrink that much to be extracted, because they are not metal, so they don't get stuck to the chamber like metal. That's why extracting shotgun rounds is not a problem.
SIG bid has a reciprocating barrel as well. It has a reciprocating barrel EXPRESSELY to mitigate recoil. Despite that it's quite evident that, of the three bids, the GD one is the one with the least visible recoil, the SIG has the harshest and the Textron is in the middle. He didn't even try to fire in full auto from the shoulder with the SIG, since it was clear that there was no way to do that without turning it into a AA gun.
Blow forward guns are notoriusly recoil-enhancers, because you loose the recoil mitigating effect of the bullet trying to drag the barrel with it. Short recoil is a recoil reducer because it prolongs the time the recoil is applied to the receiver, so reducing the peak force.
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@leary4 He was talking of plastic ammos in respect to brass. You replied with an argument that's valid only talking of caseless annos in respect to brass. Plastic shields the chamber from the heat of the burning powder MUCH better than brass, because brass is a thermal conductor and plastic is an insulator. Heat remains in gasses, and it's expelled from the barrel with them, because also gasses are very bad at heat transfer.
What the chamber is made for doesn't matter, it can't change physics. The chamber is physically part of the barrel (it's obtained in the same piece of metal) they are not two separated parts. A cooler chamber means a cooler barrel and a cooler receiver.
Plastic seal better than metal. There's no doubt about it. Your same statement about the brass cases "breathing" means they are a poorly sealed. Since plastic seals better, it shields better powder from umidity, that's what ruins it.
Shotgun's ammos are ammos. They seal the hot gasses the same way and are extracted the same way than bottleneck ammos.
Yes, there is the effect of the bullet dragging the barrel with him. It's caused by the same friction of the bullet into the barrel (enhanced by the rifling). If the barrel is not attached to the receiver, when the bullet is fired, the barrel goes forward with the bullet. If it's attached to the receiver, the same force mitigates the recoil. That's why blow-forward weapons, like the Schwarzlose M1908 are notoriously recoil-enhancers. You can try to force a bullet down a barrel by hand while at the same time helding the barrel steady by hand. When you fire the gun, the combustion gasses provide the effort to force the bullet down the barrel, but the effort you needed to hold the barrel steady doesn't magically disappear. It mitigates the recoil.
You can see him firing this in full ato at 4:04. He didn't fire in full auto the SIG bid, and it's enough to see how much the rifle kicked in semiauto to know why.
Thank you.
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@leary4 Combustion results in x amount of heat. Brass is a thermal conductor, and subtract that heat from gasses (where it's useful, since more heat= more expansion) transfering it to the chamber (where it's detrimental, since the results of heating the weapon go from discomfort to overheat).
Plastic is an insulator, so heat remains in gasses, that expand more. That's why, with plastic cases, they need less powder for the same amount of energy transfered to the bullet. Heat then leaves the barrel with the same gasses, since the gasses too are bad at heat transfer (that's why you dont get burn immediately putting a hand in a owen, but you do touching a piece of metal in it).
So gaskets shouldn't exist. Put two pieces of the same metal togheter, and they'll seal perfectly.
It doesn't work like that. Materials that seal better, seal better, and plastic seal MUCH better than brass. They are not even comparable.
It's not the air in the shell that "makes combustion possible". Gun propellants are not fuels, that need air to burn. They are explosives. They already contain all the chemical components for the combustion to happen. Also thermal expansion is not a wanted effect. The fact that plastic expands less than metal with temperature is better, since it makes the dimensions of the ammo more consistent.
The fact that the bullet tends to drag the barrel with it is the reason short recoil pistols have less perceived recoil than blowbacks of the same caliber. Because the bullet tending to push the barrel forward, while barrel and slide are linked toghether, slow down the rear motion of the slide and so the slide slams in the frame with less energy.
On Youtube Schwarzlose M1908 had been tested, IE, by Ian of "Forgotten weapons" and he also talked about how much the pistol kicked.
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@Murderface666 The price of cases is not that of brass, is that of brass shaped like a case. An already fired .223 brass case, still dirt and with the spent primer, is about 0.12$, one polished and unprimed about 0.2$, one unfired is over 0.3$.
If a new unprimed plastic case costs 0.05$ (and it can easily be), or even 0.1$ what's the point in reloading?
Since the walls of the case are nto subject to much stress, they doesn't need any special plastic. They can be very well made with recycled or even biodegradable plastic. What degrades the ammos is humidity degrading the powder. Plastic is a better sealant than brass.
Actually the explosion is contained by the chamber and bolt. No brass cartridge is able to contain the exposion of the powder.
As already said, NATO countries are not bound to follow US ASAP. UK and Italy adopted 5.56 round only in 1985, Germany in 1997, so over 30 years after US. But THIS particular round has the possibility to be adopted quite easily, since you can convert all the existing 7.62 NATO weapons with just a barrel swap, using even the same magazines and belts.
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