Comments by "" (@neutronalchemist3241) on "Forgotten Weapons" channel.

  1. Only an inaccurate shot.
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  2. Actually this one was of a pretty simple design and worked pretty well.
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  3. Infact. Reloading is a thing with brass ammos only because brass cases are expensive. An already fired, dirty and still with the spent primer brass .223 case is around 0.12$, one cleaned and unprimed 0.2$ and one pristine around 0.4$. If a new, unprimed plastic case will be around 0.1$, what will be the point in reloading?
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  4.  @TheGM-20XX  The Italian Army massively sold it and its parts on the surplus market. Some sample is still in service for guard-parade, but it's no more in active service.
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  5.  @TheGM-20XX  What units?
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  6.  @johncarl5505  There are plenty of semiautos used for hunting in Erope. AR15 are not popular for huting because it's a poor hunting rifle, starting with the caliber.
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  7. No, it were the JFK conspiracy nuts that had to invent something to say the shot was "impossible". Italian riflemen teams were winning NATO competitions with Carcanos well into the '60s.
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  8. Mind that the BM59 was not the only option. The alternative was the Franchi LF59 (you can google it, it's actually a very nice looking battle rifle), that used a STG44-esque action (long stroke, tilting bolt, gas action), coupled with a very clean telescopic "MP40 style" recoil spring placed behind the gas piston, like in a AK (so that it could have a collapsible stock). The LF59 was prefectly serviceable, but the BM59 won because its price couldn't be beaten.
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  9. The FAMAS g2 is one of the few designs that really can be made, since it's modern enough (so with modern tolerances and reliability) that the manufacturer has not to completely redesign it to make it work. It only has to make the parts with the right dimensions.
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  10. The designer is the same infact.
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  11. There are some rotating barrel delayed blowback (Savage 1907 and derivates and the French MAB PA-15)
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  12. "less than 25 ounces".
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  13. Actually there was no real problem with the 100 rds magazines. They were not used on the field because they had no real advantages (while a damaged magazine meant to discard 100 rounds instead of only 50). Even a 200 rds circular magazine was experimented for aerial use. https://i1.wp.com/www.forgottenweapons.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Fiat-magazine.jpg?resize=1024%2C567&ssl=1
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  14.  @kino_61  "The Gloster Gadiator was way better" in what exactly? It was 34km/h slower than the Cr.42, it had 100km shorter range, it had worse armament. The Cr.42 could also carry bombs, the Gladiator couldn't.
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  15. Winchester tried, during the war, to convert M1 in 30-06. For that reason, they tried to use the BAR magazines, that are not very good, and work on the BAR thanks to the inertia of the heavy bolt. Also they tried to retain the bent op-rod of the M1 Garand, that ease extraction in semiauto, but interfere with the burst in full auto.
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  16. What's the use of a safety if your hammer is down on an empty chamber? It's not like a round can magically appear there.
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  17.  @SidneyBroadshead  The bullet was not unstable in flight and didn't have a wandering zero. Any spitzer bullet has the center of gravity displaced towards the back of the bullet, but that doesn't make it unaccurate. The the aluminium tipped bullet was designed to be even more unstable, and so tumble more easily INTO THE BODY, not in flight. The Brits used the same trick in the .303 Ball MKVII, adopted in 1910, that served as standard issued cartridge through two World Wars, the Korean War and countless other smaller confrontations until the end of military use of the .303 British. Actually the Ball MKVII had a higher percentage of the bullet made out of aluminium, so was even more unstable, and none ever noticed it having a wandering zero. Today plastic tipped bullets are normally used for hunting. The aluminium tipped bullet was also lighter than the original 6.5, so to have a faster muzzle velocity, and so a flatter trajectory in the first 300m of flight, so making the fixed 200m sight more useful.
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  18.  @jamesmitchell1471  The lightness came at a cost. The MG is flimsy. The same receiver has a short lifespan and, for the time it lasts, it takes a lot of armourer's work to keep it running.
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  19. Consider that the collaboration ended because Beretta wanted to use a AK-like gas action (this one) and SIG a rolled-delayed blowback action (and ended up with the unsuccessful SG530, gas operated roller locked). Only later SIG ended with an action practically identical to the Beretta one in the SG540.
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  20. That's the patent. https://patents.google.com/patent/US461968A/en Being the lever quite sturdy, it's only the strenght of the frame that limits the power of the cartridge (Notice that the frame wraps around the pivoting point of the lever, so that it's not the hub to be stressed). In theory you can made a Tribuzio in .45 ACP capable to accept 1911 magazines. And it will still be quite compact (the bore axis is so low that the recoil will be even pleasant).
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  21. The BM59 is a lot more similar. Actually BM stands for "Beretta Modifica" (Beretta modification, of the original M1). It reused M1's receiver, trigger group, stock and rear sight, only sligtly modifying them. So much it was a modification that several BM59 issued to the Italian troops had been done using original US made M1 receivers, and still had the original Springfield or Winchester markings on them. http://www.collezionareexordinanza.it/uploads/source/IMG_6484_1.jpg
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  22. It's what SIG wants people to believe. To make them accept that they already won, hoping that the hype becomes reality without questions made. In reality, to me, it's the less likely to be accepted. It's enough to see the clips of it fired to see that it kicks like a mule, (the Textron is better, the GD MUCH better) making impossilbe to fire it in full auto from the shoulder with some pretense to hit the intended target. Moreover, the bi-metal cartridges have no advantages over the existing ones, they are as heavy, and even more expensive to make.
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  23. Here the experimental Scotti LMG using the same action (here the aerial version, there were versions with buttstock too). https://i.pinimg.com/originals/71/6f/8e/716f8e33be4f124274a6de9457462b65.png
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  24. It's the Walther that looks like this. The Franchi came out before.
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  25. Again IT HAD NEVER BEEN INTENDED TO BE AN AIRCRAFT GUN. Less than two-hundred samples of more than 14.000 built saw limited use on aircrafts (at that time the Air Corp was a branch of the Army) waiting for the model to be in full scale production first than distributing it to the troops. The weapon was designed to be a point weapon. Like a long range shotgun. Put it to ward obligatory passages (alpine trails, openings in the barbed wire) and, when an enemy shows up, throw a short burst in his direction. THE WEAPON WAS MADE TO BE USED WITH A SHIELD. THAT'S WHY IT HAD THAT ROUND SPACER AND THAT SIGHT. THAT SIGHT WAS LITERALLY THE ONLY HOLE IN THE SHIELD. Obviously, in the shield, it was plenty stable. https://modernfirearms.net/userfiles/images/smg/smg127/villar-perosa_1915_3.jpg DO YOUR RESEARCHES FOR GOD'S SAKE!
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  26. BNP "Banco Nazionale di Prova" (National proofhouse), TNI "Terni" (Arsenal of Terni).
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  27. It's a grenade sight, when lifted up, it also acts as gas-cutoff. The rifle could shoot Energa and Super-Energa grenades. The original sling acts as a secondary grenade sight when the butt of the rifle is on the ground, the number of studs over the ground is the range in hundreds of meters.
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  28. Until you induce a malfunction in the worst possible moment because your body doesn't work the same under stress. Same with revolvers. Autoloaders always work the same.
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  29. 9x21 has the same OAL than 9x19. The case is 2mm longer, but the bullet seats 2mm deeper.
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  30. As said, for the spanish law of the time, for a patent to be valid in Spain, the thing had to be manufactured in Spain, so Spanish manufacturers freely made clones of a lot of popular foreign designs.
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  31. Really not. You can very well open the inspection window and throw a handful of mud directly into it. It will probably keep on going like never happened. WWI HMGs were like the heavy industrial tools of the time. Massively overbuilt and stupidly reliable. There was very little than dirt, mud, ice or wear could do to them. dirt had all the space of the world to go without locking the surfaces, and the inertia of the parts was so big that they were self-cleaning in their movement.
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  32. +Coal fired paradise I'm pretty sure they could have licence produced something better spending less. To design a new gun, even a bad gun, is more expensive than to acquire a production licence, even if you have the know-how. To have to form a design board from scratch, even an incompetent one, is even more expensive. There were political reasons in selecting a national product (pretty silly, since they already came form a Belgian design).
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  33. More Mosins and PPSh
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  34. Yes, it's a Madsen LMG.
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  35. Actually the P7A13 didn't even reach the cost comparison phase of the trial. It was eliminated because it fared atrociously in the reliability tests.
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  36. Their most famous action had probably been the 1985 Fiumicino Airport attack, when 3 out of 4 Palestinians AK47 armed terrorists were killed, and the fourth captured, by the Airport Security guards, armed with the PM-12S.
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  37. Leave it to the Italians to INVENT the entire SMG thing BTW. The other can laugh, after having copied it.
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  38.  @rookpl7877  He's wrong. Here's a 3D animation of the MG. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SwNqvUZSW8&t=7s George M. Chinn in "The machinegun" (1951) wrongly described the mechanism as delayed blowback. It's not it's only mistake (he described hundreds of machineguns in that book, and of most of them he could not have seen a single sample), but, since is't practically impossible to examine a FIAT Revelli 1914 outside italy, all the English literature about this MG in the last 70 years simply repeated Chinn's article, so it became "the truth" that a working principle no really different from that of a Browning 1917-1919 becomes a delayed blowback when it's into a FIAT Revelli 1914. Notice that this action is a scaled-up version of that of the Glisenti 1910 pistol, that's always described as short recoil locked breech (IE by McNab, Chris, The Great Book of Guns 2004).
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  39. The competing design, the Franchi LF-58, was rated at exactly 520 RPM, so this was probably in the same ballpark.
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  40. Because at the time the rationale was declared even in newsreels.
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  41. It's a muzzle-brake/compensator and a grenade launcher and a flash hider, hence the name tri-compensator.
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  42.  @hendriktonisson2915  Sterling Armament Company was already in the way of going bankrupt in 1985, a thing it did in 1988, and the things it produced in the previous decades really didn't require any precision machining.
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  43.  @hendriktonisson2915  Number of pieces involved has little to do with precision machining. The AR18 had been specifically designed to be a cheap stamped steel rifle easy to produce even in low-tech facilities.
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  44. 0:55:00 seriously. There are no more big arms manufacturers in France and Britain, but there are in Germany, Austria, Italy and Czech Republic, with Austrian and Czech gun laws being particularly strict. It seems to be a simple question of competition more than gun laws. UE is a single market. The manufacturers that were located in Britain and France simply lost to the others. 1:07:42 this often repeated story of the different attitude of European officers in respect to "US and British ones" surely has no roots in the cartridges adopted. The .455 Webley was nothing exceptional for European standards (it was a little less powerful than the 10.35mm Italian Ordnance adopted 13 years before for that very same Chamelot Delvigne revolver, not to say of the .44 Russian) . The .45 Colt was very powerful for any contemporary standard, but it replaced a rather unimpressive cardridge (the .44 American) and was replaced by a very weak one (the .38 Long Colt)
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  45. @The Entangled Trap The FAL held its own against the AK47 countless times. Besides, as it's explained in the video, the FAL didn't born in a full blown caliber. Having already adopted the FAL, even had they later recognized the 7.62 NATO to be such a issue, they would have probably simply adopted a FAL in an intermediate caliber rather than a completely different design.
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  46.  @justindunlap1235  The spitzer 6.5X55 had been adopted by the Swedes only in 1941. Had they been invaded like the Norwegians, they would have used round nose bullets in WWII exactly like the italians and the Norwegians.
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  47.  lass kinn  It's not like belts are closed to the elements.
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  48. Probably post-war production regularly purchased.
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  49. The first samples were real rifles, in 6mm Flobert or .22 Short. Then it was deemed too dangerous, and they were made blanks.
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  50.  @heycidskyja4668  Fact is that there were practically two classes of service cartridges at the time. The "7-8mm, over 3000 joules energy at the muzzle" (30-06, 8mm Mauser, .303 British, 7.62X54r...) and the "6.5mm, from 2200 to 3000 joules energy at the muzzle" (Carcano, Arisaka and so on). Modern service "intermediate" cartridges are below 2200 joules power, so it wouldn't be a problem, but practically all the cartridges proposed to solve the 5.56-7.62 dualism belong to the old "6.5mm 2200-3000 joules" category. So the problem. Are, IE, 6.8 SPC, or 6.5 Grendel, intermediate cartridges? They are made to be shot from an AR15 platform. But, power wise, they are in the "old service 6.5 rounds" category.
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