Comments by "MountainMaid" (@MountainMaid238) on "1News"
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@olsaffa7679 Yep, that's right, it was costing too much. They had a budget for soldiers and war equipment and they were going over. It's part of our history, it's easy to look that stuff up. So the Crown created a Treaty they had no intention of honouring just so they could start their plundering - and here we are today. A legal document that they created that they didn't even follow. Sets up a precedence.
Actually, ancient Māori were business savvy and had scientific concepts that align with quantum mechanics and other sciences, which is why Matauranga Māori and science pair so well when innovating. Bronze Age, stone age whatever are great milestones to mark some societal progress, but it's certainly not the only measure.
In terms of hand outs, the colonial government/crown have ensured that Pākeha benefit the most since the 1800's. They set up the system we're all forced to live by, which addresses and nurtures British sensibilities and worldviews - and just expects -or gaslights - everyone else including the original New Zealanders to accept their normal as universal - because they say so.
Nah. Also, genetics is a lottery so unless we go around sequencing everyone, we have no idea what genes a person has or has not. Best to stay clear of that blood quantum lunacy from the colonial era.
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@davethewave7248 The truth around The Musket Wars is not the truth I'm debating. The wars have and still influence inter tribal relations and relationships today, for good and for bad. HOWEVER, what happened after the Treaty, the confiscations, the dodgy land deals etc, was worse because Māori were being forced into being something else, on an intergenerational scale. That kind of devastation on a people never ended, it is still causing harm to this day. There's a reason why the wars were forgotten - they were tragic, but the breach of the Treaty continues to destroy a people from in every way possible, to assimilate, to degrade.
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@stephenc8956 They can, but as mentioned before, the ones around the Treaty, a relatively new event, has not changed. More often than not, when Māori oral tradition are analysed especially in topics like geography, exploration, agriculture etc they're accurate because they died if they were not. Understanding the Māori mind also helps to understand the way they would capture and transfer information, and most importantly - why. It's an old, often colonial fallacy to mistrust oral traditions because those uninformed think critical thinking is not applied, when it must be. That's how Māori survived.
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@stephenc8956 I can see the colonised view and state of mind throughout your writings, which is justifiable if you've never had your worldview challenged.
The ancient Māori mind is not present today, either culturally or socially like it once was. Colonisation is thanked for that. The separation of Māori and their culture has more or less been achieved, and what remains is a tiny portion of what once was. Yes, colonisation.
May I ask why you glazed past the sciences of exploration and agriculture and focused on the warfare etc? I find your focus fascinating and tells me a lot.
Personally I enjoy learning about their scientific mind, how quantum mechanics and the Māori worldview align (for Māori time is circular and can be 'viewed' forwards and backwards i.e mana of a person or people influences today's people and it's past people). Māori had Whare Wānanga long before the British introduction of its fledgling education system, where instead of silos of knowledge systems like the Europeans, it was integrated covering a wider, interdependent view of mental explorations. One other major difference - Māori always had an authority above them, so their intelligence's never included treating their environment as expendable, worthy of destruction and exploitation. Their ancestors, the Polynesians, were the astronauts of their time, traversing the largest ocean on the planet, using sophisticated navigation skills - a sharp scientific mind, inherited by their descendants.
I often wonder what the Māori could have contributed to humanity if they were allowed to have had Te Tīriti honoured, and they continued to develop. After seeing what is happening overseas, would their knowledge systems create innovative breakthroughs that could save humanity from killing off the only planet we currently have to live on? Because they weren't about that in the first place.
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@davethewave7248 Right off, you can see rose coloured glasses. 'Honorable men' - the Missionaries? According to who? Even now we know the atrocities committed by missionaries. Many were absolutely not honourable, either then or in today's standards. That blanket statement alone is ludicrous. Whose humanitarian ideals? Victorians or those of 2023? If they were Imperialist they had an agenda. Next thing you're going to say the murderous Captain Cook is an honourable historical figure 🤣
Māori did not sign up to have everything that was theirs, taken from them. You're right, they're not stupid. That's why Māori are so upset now, not because this is a recent grievance. It's an INTERGENERATIONAL grievance. Meaning, Māori signed Te Tīriti and the Crown and Hobson breached Te Tīriti.
Again, were all these chiefs you quote and misinterpret, for the English treaty or Te Tīriti. The biggest signing event at Waitangi was with Te Tīriti.
Māori had no concept of alienation of land in the sense that the Crown were proposing in their English treaty, which is probably why it was absent in Te Tīriti.
I'm guessing you're living on stolen land, where Māori were forcibly removed from. I bet you're not into that kind of history.
You need to look at Government apologies to get a true sense of history. You're not there yet, not even close.
There are actual Treaty historians, people who've spent large amounts of time and have used legitimate science when researching - which is both objective and follows critical thinking. And...out.
Well, no. Until everyone properly understands Te Tīriti, the true treaty - nobody is free.
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@davethewave7248 Remember Dave, Māori were and still are, hapu and Iwi defined. Māori are sovereign under those terms. In rare and immediate occasions they come together, like they did recently, to join their voices as one for a common cause. But Māori are sovereign, always have been.
I've been speaking in third person, but I'm Māori and am educated in both the Media's version of events, the school systems version of events, and my own peoples, which tends to be the majority of Māori version of events - because the Crown throw all Māori under one label when committing their illegal activity. And that's the difference, and why your interpretation gets muddled - because Māori see themselves in one way (hapu/Iwi) and the intelligence that comes from that framework of knowing, and then there's the colonial propaganda of events ,which no doubt you have drawn much of your readings from, as have many non-Māori historians. But hardly ever are Māori themselves asked for their truths, and if they are, they might not give it to you anyway. So deep is the mistrust since the crown reneged on the Treaty since it's inception.
Your readings and your privilege are not going to change the minds of those Aotearoa New Zealanders who have to live with what happened. The truth for them is in their realities, not your pages.
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