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The funny thing with your comment is the trench gun was proved mostly useless in the great war, and there are no actual kills attributed to it from the conflict, so maybe not the best analogy to use, likewise there needs to be more nuance in "who's the aggressor" in the lead up to the first world war, Both France and Russia as well as Germany and Austia-Hungary were taking aggressive actions against each other, securing military alliances at the sake of their neighbors, believing that these would act as a safeguard to prevent war, where in the end it dragged the world into war because of contractual obligations to both the entente and the central alliance, war was inevitable not because of any one side being good or bad, but because the decisions that brought the world to conflict were being advised by those who stood to profit the most from the bloodletting, weather it be Renault or Krupp in the past or Rostek and General Dynamics today, there is no such thing as ethical consumption or expansion under capitalism, conflict between the west and russia has been inevitable since 1991 with the fall of the soviet union and the rise of a capitalist russia.
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@kingsleykester8167 Why did you think that? It was never stated as a war aim to take Kiev, let alone in two days, western pundits predicted that, the same pundits who sailed russia would be out of ammo "any day now" last fall, your analyst suck, shame on you for being blind to it, Russia could afford to lose Kherson and Kharkiv alot more than Ukraine could afford to lose Mariupol, Severodonetsk, Lysychansk, Slovyansk, Mariupol, and now Soledar, and at the casualty rate Russia still holds a serious advantage over ukraine, it can replace the troops it's losing in these battles, Ukraine is struggling in that regard.
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@seidenstickerj Im not forgetting a single thing, never said it was a the best choice, if your misinterpreting my comment as pro russian, then that's on you, I'm very aware of the problems in russia today, would be nothing but tickled to see putin put to the wall, the counter battery fire in the fall of 2014 was by the DPR-LPR militias using soviet surplus artillery, and even as you stated, this was return fire, meaning they were already attacked by Ukrainian artillery, so I cant say as I see what point your trying to make there. As to Ukraine being European, it is in the same sense that Russia is European Ukrainians didnt come from europe, they came from keivian Rus, the people living in ukraine before them were khazars and turkmen tribes, as to the European identity, until the past few decades this was not the case, and as witnessed by the popular support for separation in eastern Ukraine, the populations opinion is still very clearly divided, this change to a hard right european pivot was force by an armed coup financed by the united states to pull Ukraine from Russia's sphere of influence, even though they were offering a more favorable trade relationship with ukraine with lower interest rates on loans. Again I feel the need to reiterate I am not pro Russian in my stance on the conflict, but the western narrative is far too erroneous for me to swallow as it only cares to follow one side of the conflict, Russia is acting as the opportunistic imperialist power, using the pretext of "protecting ethnic russians" to create as wide of a buffer from NATO as possible while they can, in the meantime they get to fuel a war industry that Putin and his kabal of oligarchs personally profit from, as this war is every bit at profitable to Uralvagonzavod and Sukhoi as it is to General Dynamics and Raytheon, all of them have contracts rolling in, personally I'd support a resolution that would find peaceful settlement that has all russian forces withdrawn and full autonomy granted to the donbas while remaining a part of Ukraine, with a demilitarized zone of 10km width separating the the donbas and to have it patrolled by UN peacekeepers, DNR-LNR militias do not exit the territory, and Ukrainian authorities have no jurisdiction in the autonomous zone, if the Mexican government and the EZLN have been able to find a way to co-exist for 26 years, it can work for the donbas, as to russia annexing crimea, the Crimean people wanted to be annexed by Russia alot more than the Hawaiians wanted to be annexed by the US, if you want me to change my point there and agree that russia should leave crimea, ok, just as soon as the US gives Guantanamo back to Cuba and the UK gives the 6 counties back to Ireland. Until then, as far as I'm concerned the west is no better than russia, they just had a head start and russia wants to catch up.
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@nhatvu8800 But the west was happy to support the civilians of Donbas getting bombed, killed, raped, looted and only instigated further bloodshed. For 7 years. Not forcing to end support to Ukraine unless Zelensky lifted the ban on opposition parties, ended military offensives in the donbas, removed the dam blocking fresh water to Crimea (a violation of article 33 of the Geneva convention, see collective punishment) and ultimately adhering to the peace agreement signed between Ukraine, the DNR, LNR, Russia, France, and Germany, that was evil, but it generated billions in profits for General Dynamics and Raytheon, paid for with US tax dollars and Ukrainian blood. This is a war between two capitalist giants that are using Ukraine and the Donbas republics as proxies, western arms manufactures are profiting hand over fist from the arms transfers to Ukraine. As is Rostek and Izhvesk via its defence contracts with Russia. Putin is no saint, nor is Zelensky, or Biden, they are cut from the same cloth, and are weaponizing the proletariat against each other to serve their own ends, the civilian populaces of Ukraine, Russia, and the west, have nothing to gain from this conflict, point your finger at who is profiting from the bloodshed
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After reading the first 20 odd comments in this thread I've come to realize the west lives in Orwell's 1984, any questioning of the narrative or dissenting view can only come from "bots" or "orks" or which ever derogatory and dehumanizing term is popular, that independent though and analysis not accepted, that information must come purely from the interested party, regardless of how factual it might be, I'm no fan of Putin but christ almighty this thread is sickening to read while half of you shun the supposed values you espouse. This war is about profit, on both sides of the battle line, regardless of if the industry making the profit is General Dynamics or Uralvagonzavod, money machine still goes brrrrp with every new contract. The regime in Kiev is no more free or democratic than the regime in Kiev in 2013, new oligarchs with new patrons sure, the corruption is very much the same, I'm sure it wont even take a day for one of you clowns to call me out as an ork or botski or wtf ever you all come up with to dehumanize me, go ahead, my point still stands, your just reinforcing it.
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@nsevv and those unarmed civilians the ukrainians barricaded into a the trade union building and burned alive in Odessa? It was on film, they murdered innocent men and women, they shot civilians as they tried to jump from the windows of the building, they werent separatist or terrorist, they were members of the Borotba party and journalist, and bystanders fleeing the neonazi football hooligans and the pro-coup police supporting them, they had the legal right to protest, and they were murdered for it, I'm not painting russia as the good guys, but dont pretend the the regime in Kiev is made up of saints that can do no wrong, dont hide their crimes just to justify a false narrative, they intentionally murdered civilians and never saw justice for doing so, these actions spurred the separatist movement much more than russia ever could, with that being said, there were thousands of dual citizens living in eastern Ukraine who were at risk of suffering the same fate as those in the Odessa massacre, russia had every bit as much of an obligation to protect its citizens as the americans had to protect its citizen in Grenada, and when it invaded panama to defend its interest in the region, and do remember, context is not justification, it just gives understanding to the reasoning and motives for the conflict, what russia did is by no means without precedent.
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@seidenstickerj It wasnt a western financed coup? Okay, so when Victoria Nuland gives $5 billion to far right extremist groups in your nation to oust the elected government, that hold new elections while alienating a third of the nation's population. This is a coup, it did stick, clearly. If you want to be blind to it, that's on you, not me. I already saw my friends in Odessa burned alive because they didnt support the coup, I lost friends at Debaltslavo because they refused to be subjugated by a series of puppet regimes, and after the massacres committed against protests of the coup in 2014, FULL FUGGIN AUTONOMY FOR DONBAS, nothing less would be acceptable.
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@UserUser-ww2nj so how would you describe the five billion dollars that victoria nuland made available to the far right paramilitary organizations that carried out the coup in 2014, funds that were used to secure equipment and weapons, and recruitment into their ranks while said groups promised that upon seizing power they would agree to the trade deal with the EU even though it was no where near as favorable to ukraine than was the deal being offered to Ukraine by Russia? Financial intervention is still intervention, the same can be said with military equipment and weapons, to the same degree that Americans downplay the eastern front in the second world war by saying that the only reason the USSR defeated the fascist was because of western aid, even though no american or british forces actually fought on the eastern front, that the west still considers a crucial intervention, the case is the same now, the west bears a great deal of responsibility for the current conflict in Ukraine, as I'd does in Lybia, Afghanistan, Syria, Iraq, Nicuragua, Colombia, Venezuela, as it had neared responsibility for dozens of bloody conflicts going back to the war in Korea.
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