Comments by "" (@soulcapitalist6204) on "Ryan Chapman"
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@kellharris2491 The problem with your beliefs is 1) that Marx developed theory in the first place. Marx recycled debunked theory 20-50 years after they were in disuse in economics. 2) He made claims of a natural dialectic process and this was not supported by the philosophical standard of Socrates or even Hegel which preceeded his career. Marx's approach is not scientific because of fallacy like tautology and due to incompetent mathematics. As a political economist or political scientist, Marx fails a basic standard of logic by operating ad lapidem to academic minds in these fields, preexisting his career. This is what allows marxist political economy to present pseudotheory which does not confront conventions of human rights maintained scientifically by those with theory pertaining rights and role of state. He does so with 100% of his economic conjectures. None would pass a basic scrutiny of academic economists of his era and so he avoids the science and embraces the charlatanism and sophistry. 3) 100%, guy. There is not one contribution of marxism or Marx which is valuable to economics, sociology, social science, political science, industrial psychology, human resource management, econometrics, finance or international relations. Marx has posited pseudotheories in all of these fields, however - many clearly parodies (like "Capitalist [sic] Accumulation" from Kapital 3). Marxist ideas are all in a separate, heterodox and strictly not scientific clave of any discipline. Marxists are relegated to these fringes because dogmatic idealism is strictly not scientific by any measure.
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@clem.3894 "No, Marx was not arguing for democracy to be thrown away...he is specifically referring to the two potential paths that the democrats might pursue in shaping the state's political structure"
Marx was against the democrats, genius, and called for dictatorship. Only a non-reader of Marx could possibly mistake the communists or the workers for "the democrats", their opposition. These passages resulted in the destruction of menshevism by the bolsheviks.
The second option would be a "one and indivisible republic" (recognize that from the literal US national anthem?)
That was not an option of the democrats, stupid. The very prior statement is the advocacy of the democrats for federated republic. This is Marx providing the counter strategy for "the workers" who pursue dictatorship with only worker council democracy. United States is a "federated republic", dumbo. US is an anti-marxist institutional design and not marxist, guy. This needs to be said?
"He believed that within this unified republic, the workers should strive for the concentration of political power in the hands of the state authority SPECIFICALLY under a democracy of the proletariat."
Bullshit. It is dictatorship of the proletariat and it is clear that the dictatorship was not to be of the prole's choosing nor guidance...
"...it cannot under any circumstances be tolerated that each village, each town and each province may put up new obstacles in the way of revolutionary activity, which can only be developed with full efficiency from a central point..."
"They should not let themselves be led astray by empty democratic talk about the freedom of the municipalities, self-government, etc."
This is crystal clear in Address. Part 3 of Critique of the Gotha Program is dedicated to Marx's disdain for workers leading their state because of their desire for social democracy:
"And particularly in the case of a toiling people which, through these demands that it puts to the state, expresses its full consciousness that it neither rules nor is ripe for ruling!"
more from you:
"You state that "Marx knew that your idea of any democratically steered state would result in steering towards social democracy", which is entirely laughable to me. No, "social democracy" isn't democratic just because it has "democracy" in the name."
Well, social/liberal democracy is the only standard of democracy. Of course you people think it is fascism since Stalin said so, but fascism was actually a dictatorship like what Marx called for. Marx never claimed that his ideas were a democratic state and considered it a dictatorial state. Marx called for the politburo system where workers control their workplaces in minutia while they operate in general at the command of central planners. They strictly did not have any sectorial representatives at the philosophical level as Marx aimed for class representation.
"The chief offense does not lie in having inscribed this specific nostrum in the program, but in taking, in general, a retrograde step from the standpoint of a class movement to that of a sectarian movement."
More of your bollocks...
"You go on to claim that "Marx proposed a state informed by intellectuals who know the interests of workers and strictly no tolerance for workers' own ideation in their interest"--he never did such a thing lol."
Marx called for the central committee of a single party of workers to be led by a lifetime intellectual leader (himself and later Lenin, Stalin, Krushchiev, Mao, Kim, etc):
"At the soonest possible moment after the overthrow of the present governments, the Central Committee will come to Germany and will immediately convene a Congress, submitting to it the necessary proposals for the centralization of the workers’ clubs under a directorate established at the movement’s center of operations. The speedy organization of at least provincial connections between the workers’ clubs is one of the prime requirements for the strengthening and development of the workers’ party" "...an independently organized party of the proletariat"
Your claims again:
"You seem to be butchering the theoretical framework of Marxism-Leninism, and specifically Lenin, which theorized the vanguard party leading the revolutionary movement. Lenin believed the working class, on its own, might not be able to develop a class consciousness and revolutionary leadership. Therefore, he thought that there should be a highly organized and disciplined party, composed of professional revolutionaries..."
Tell me you have not read State and Revolution of Lenin without telling me you have not read State and Revolution of Lenin. I quote Marx to the effect of single party politburo above. In S&R, Lenin is sure to reference all of his theoretical basis in Marx's own writings. Marx is attributed politburo, above and the state capitalist political economy Lenin rolled out (per Critique of the Gotha Program, part 1)
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