Comments by "Stephen Jenkins" (@stephenjenkins7971) on "Binkov's Battlegrounds"
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@Airdrifting You missed my point. I'm talking about optics. China losing hundreds of thousands of troops to the Americans? That's a worthy nation to die against; even if it was demobilized prior to the war. (Something CCP propaganda neglects to mention).
But dying to equal number to the lowly Vietnamese? That's a national embarrassment waiting to happen. For reference, the US lost about 2,000 troops in Afghanistan within 20 years. US lost 58,000+ in Vietnam in the whole war of about 10 years and it was through entirely vicious guerilla warfare.
China's literal objective was to prevent the destruction of its ally in the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, dude. "The reason cited for the attack was to support China's ally, the Khmer Rouge of Cambodia, in addition to the mistreatment of Vietnam's ethnic Chinese minority and the Vietnamese occupation of the Spratly Islands which were claimed by China"
Bruh, even using your own metric, China lost the war. It was not able to destroy Vietnam's capability to make war and continued to destroy Cambodia until the Khmer Rouge was ousted.
Neither Chinese or Vietnamese sources can be trusted since they are both dictators that have every reason to fudge the numbers. Western estimates place the death toll of Chinese forces to be about 26k men, and Vietnamese to be about 30k men. Chinese also claim that "the gate to Hanoi was open"...except the place where they stopped, Lang Son, was closer to the Chinse border than it was to Hanoi. So CCP propaganda really is kinda obvious here. Not to mention that 300k reserves were near Hanoi prepared for a counter-attack when China withdrew. So let's be real here; China withdrew to save face, but lost literally ALL of its objectives. All while suffering a ratio similar to Vietnam's war dead.
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@antimatter4733 "yep all of it is because of the US"
This is exactly why nobody can trust China. You'll inhale any CCP propaganda and use it to justify any imperialist action, regardless. So even if the US withdrew, talked only positively about China, and gave China everything it wants -we have zero guarantee that it won't just want more. Because nationalism is a disease.
Yes, "rebels" can take a part of your country...if they are literally just civilians who don't want to be a part of it. Self-determination. This isn't a paramilitary group that invaded Taiwan and forced the people there at gunpoint to leave China, these are regular people that just don't want to be a part of China.
You can't make your house a country, but if people in your province want to be independent from China, yes, they can demand that. That being said, there is something called "being reasonable", and unless you had a decent grievance, I doubt I'd care for your province's proclamation. Taiwan? It already has its own system of government, has been effectively independent for at least half a century, and more importantly; has every reason to believe China will NOT respect their democratic practices. So yes, Taiwan has legitimate grievances to NOT want China.
You're American? You're a shit one if you are -your country left the British Empire via a revolt, and here you are, demanding that Taiwan stay? Americans are "rebels", genius; not bootlickers for people that would never respect their rights.
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@Airdrifting There is no evidence to back up anything if you're a crazy nationalist anyway. But the rest of the world knows though. The West was, if anything, pro-China by the time of the Sino-Vietnamese War, so had more reason to act like less Chinese died than they did. And yet they found a similar number of dead to the Vietnamese.
No, I'm saying that China already suffered heavy casualties only facing a few regular Vietnamese troops and would have gone on to fact the main Vietnamese reserve forces near Hanoi, and wisely decided to withdraw before it humiliated itself in losing massive numbers. It lost about half the number in a month what the US lost in 10 years as it is. Nothing about guesswork; China already lost a lot of troops and would only then be facing the main reserve when approaching Hanoi. That's just clear deductive reasoning.
I ain't even white, but that's the cope you'll use this time, huh? 😂
Yes, that's exactly my point. China should NOT have been suffering such casualties, and yet they did. That's why it was prudent for them to declare victory and leave while their propaganda worked overtime proclaiming it as a victory...despite not accomplishing any objectives.
Huh??? Tiny Vietnam did NOT have such objectives. Vietnam's objective was literally only based on Cambodia at the time. Vietnam barely had the means to invade Cambodia, let alone invade the rest of Asia, nor did it ever express such ideas. Where are you getting this from? Vietnam's objective at the time was ONLY Cambodia.
Besides, we were talking about the Sino-Vietnamese War, and China's objective was to stop Vietnam's invasion, which it failed. That's it. Within the realm of that war, China lost.
Why do you think the local government or the CCP would ever allow information of lost Chinese soldiers to be spread across China? Dude. It's a country which represses media. It's absurd to think that Chinese people can know things that their government doesn't want them to know. Especially without the internet.
Considering I'm arguing that Vietnamese killed more Chinese, thus Asians killed more Asians, your claims of racism are not only funny, but braindead. That being said, I am not saying that Chinese are doing this specifically for Vietnam...they did it with every conflict ever. Vietnam does it too. In the case of this war, neither Vietnam or China "officially" released any true statistics of the losses of the war. Vietnam claimed China killed 100,000 civilians, though. That's also likely an exaggeration.
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@Airdrifting Yeah, the leaked number; but that hardly means accurate. After all; it can be the "official" numbers that was never published. That's the problem with dictatorships; you can never tell because there is no free media to fact-check. Everyone does this, like the US for example, but their free media can call them out and publish more likely numbers. Ditto goes with this.
Vietnam claims 48,000+ Chinese deaths actually, West claims 26,000+ Chinese deaths. China claims 42,000+ Vietnamese deaths, West claims 30,000+ Vietnamese deaths.
By your logic, China has an accurate number of US deaths in the Korean War, while literally all studies on it call their numbers complete lies. That includes studies that were against the US government. Why are you automatically taking a government, ANY government at their word? They're both liable to lie for the sake of appearances, and both are VERY obviously bias. Thus, the only trusted source to find is the Western one which was PRO-CHINA at the time. Nationalism just doesn't let you just let this go, huh?
"It's quite obvious who lied about the numbers" Yeah. Both of them. They have every reason to lie and every ability to do so. Governments lie, and China has no free media to call them out on it. That's kinda the point.
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