Comments by "Stephen Jenkins" (@stephenjenkins7971) on "HasanAbi" channel.

@chbuki ...An actual referendum where armed foreign troops organized it and international observers for it were shot at to prevent them from supervising?
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@Don Ah yes, the wEsTeRn cOUp which only wanted to join the EU and expressed no interest to join NATO. You know, the same thing Finland has. Nice try, Putinbot.
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@cybervoid8442 No, bias against US intelligence is not a legit thing to have. A reasonable doubt against their claims is fine, but a bias AGAINST it by default is absurd and goes hand in hand to the propaganda of other nation-states. Especially when their own actions are very much also pinpointed to their own interests. You're essentially giving a free hand to other actors by this obstinate and willful ignorance.
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@Don Your fascist dogwhistling is getting annoying. No, Euromaiden was not a coup; it followed the conventions of the Ukrainian Constitution; that by definition CANNOT be a coup -but you insist on it anyway because the Kremlin says so. The protests in the East and South were fine, it's the fact that Russia invaded and created illegal referendums with their FOREIGN TROOPS that is the issue; imperialist. The far-right in Ukraine never got anywhere near the power to justify actual fears, especially when some of the proof they used as "far-right takeover" was the removal of the Russian language as an equal to Ukrainian...language laws which are literally everywhere in the region, with Ukraine being one of the exceptions. Hell, Russia has the same. Yanukovych was a puppet. He tried to leave the process of joining the EU for no reason but to get closer to Russia, despite the people of Ukraine feeling otherwise. Ukrainian nationalists were a insignificant part of the protests which even your precious Gavel Institute admits despite their horrid propaganda. And again, they didn't "overthrow" anyone, the Parliament itself which was NOT made up of any far-rightoids at all demanded his resignation for new elections. The "kangaroo court" is literally his government, imperialist apologist. And he fled to Russia to justify Russian imperialism against Ukraine; literally no different from Hitler's justification against Poland and Czechoslovakia, who also claimed that "German minorities are being oppressed".
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@Don Name one time the new Ukrainian government expressed any interest in joining NATO. And let's be honest here; no coup occurred -that's just your Kremlin lies being spread. The Ukrainian Parliament forced the President to step down and was setting up new elections before he fled; which is as democratic as it gets. Nothing illegal occurred. It changes what you said because a "coup" (which never happened) that brought in a "Western aligned" government is a lie. It was at best, neutral; it was never going to leave Russia's orbit. Ukrainian opinion of Russia was still very high, and their opinion of NATO and the West in general was abysmal. By using Kremlin propaganda as truth and defending their imperialism, you prove to be pro-imperialist and a Putinbot, sorry to say. It's like saying that you're not really a fascist while believing that Poland attacked Germany in the Gleiwitz Incident. Not much different here.
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@Don Nothing was violated of the Constitution to begin with; but continue with your fascist lies. Again, there was no coup. You can repeat it all you want, but that doesn't make it true. Nothing illegal about a Russian puppet being forced to leave by the will of the Parliament. And protestors can't "force" Parliament to do anything; especially when a fraction of a fraction of it were even far-right at all. You're acting like the Right Sector made a large part of the movement, which it did not. The language laws were not anti-Russian, they were pro-Ukrainian. Russian language was being treated like a minority language, much like non-Russian languages are treated in Russia. And again, there were protests against this, but the fact of the matter is that none of this threatened secession until AFTER FOREIGN TROOPS INVADED and forced it. Conveniently leaving that bit out. Wow, a government is forced to rely on far-right groups to defend a country being threatened by a massive empire. Who'd have thought it??? Fun fact; when a nation is under threat and can't protect itself, it usually relies on extremist groups to do so. Which is how Islamic extremists and Communists tend to become so powerful after major invasions in say Afghanistan after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, or Yugoslavia after the Nazi invasion. And yet this is somehow some unique thing we should care about? When Neo-Nazis have zero actual control over the Ukrainian government??? Your focus on this is purely based on support of the Kremlin, obviously. Ukrainian nationalists were so powerful that they received barely any control in Parliament. You're such a propagandist. Do you work in RT, per chance? The fact that you're elevating Ukrainian fascism which barely exists as an actual force in the Ukrainian government is the problem, as it's essentially a dogwhistle in support of Russian imperialism. "Russians aren't so bad! They were defending Russian minorities from Ukrainian fascists! Ignore how our language laws are as bad as Ukraine's in 2015, please!" Yanukovych agreed to new elections because the Parliament forced him, liar. The protest, which were specifically against him for his attempt to bend over for Russia when they wished to join the EU, "forced him", as every democracy has the right. He fled while the Parliament were preparing the elections, he was never in any danger, but this last act of flight points to him being a traitor and thus justifiably should go to the Hague. You're defending a WAR CRIMINAL. Ah yes, a government which at no point felt pressured by a "far-right protest". Sorry but I believe Ukrainians and their leaders more than I believe you; someone inhaling Kremlin propaganda for their benefit. Disgusting imperialists.
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@mezzaninex Russia also invaded Libya, Syria, Georgia, Kazakhstan, and Venezuela in recent years. But all that being said; the issue here is what is being justified. Putin is pushing for more ethno-nationalist fictions to rise again for more imperialist annexations of other people's lands. This was supposed to be a thing of the past, a thing of the 20th century thrown away. This is allowed, and we will see wars spring up in demand of prior lost territory across the planet. This is a threat to international stability on a level not seen in a while. The second the US does something like that, no matter how Neo Con they are, they must be stopped too.
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@madeline6951 He doesn't care; he wants to have a reason to blame anyone but Russia for their imperialism. He is likely using the Gravel Institute, which claims that Ukraine has a growing far-right which the US is backing and which caused this crisis to begin with...ignoring how Russian troops were the ones that invaded Ukrainian territory and created forced referendums to begin with. This is an unfortunate side of Western Leftism. Leftists in Eastern Europe are more clear-headed about this.
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@lionofallah3441 I don't think that anyone is implying the US should step in for war, though. The US itself has publicly said it had no interest in it, just that it wanted to use sanctions.
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@a.i.a3949 Doubt he cares. All he cares is bashing the US, sometimes justifiably, but this allows other actors to get away with evil shit in return. As long as its anti-US, its fine, I guess.
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@Don That's not what I said at all, I said that nothing was illegal in the Constitution was done a tall; either before or after. You seem ignorant of what happened, so I will explain; Yanukovych actually reverted an amendment in the Ukrainian Constituion made in 2004. And the Parliament post-Euromaidan reverted that reversion, returning to the 2004 Constitution. What was that amendment? It essentially weakened the power of the President of Ukraine; in short Yanukovych wanted more power for the President, while the 2014 Parliament revoked that power for the President. How dictatorial of them. How far-right. How fascist, huh? I'm not even gonna bother refuting everything else; you are so utterly dishonest that you tried to frame the change of the Constitution to weaken Presidential power, initially done by Yanukovych, as a BAD thing forced by the far-right. You aren't just a imperialist, but you're a bootlicker to boot.
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As always, the tankies are backing imperialists as long as its not Western. Glad you people are as repugnant as usual. Newsflash; backing Communists or Nazis against imperialists is sometimes something you have to accept; since you can't pick and choose. Wanna bitch about the US invasion of Iraq? All for it. But bitching about US support of Ukraine and its SINGULAR Nazi in Parliament is pedantic to the point of propaganda. Especially in the face of clearly Russian hyper nationalism that far more resembles the Nazis in spirit; with the declaration that Ukraine doesn't have a right to exist. Disgusting, really.
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@XxxXmetalhead It's more the issue of him giving like 5 seconds to Russia, and then talking non-stop about the US. Maybe switch the formula and people won't mistake him as a pro-imperialist dog at times?
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@DubbX767 If he does it repeatedly? Sure. There's such a thing as having a semblance of balance. Instead he seems to deflect for Russia; which is what fascists do often when defending their pet dictators too btw. So you understand why people would be suspicious, yeah?
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@RawMaterialENT Finland is associated with NATO, but is in the EU. Ukraine never, at any point, claimed it wished to join NATO after Euromaiden. It's entire focus was in joining the EU. The wish to join NATO occurred AFTER Russia invaded in 2014. So the "just do a Finland" thing is essentially just asking a battered woman to return to their abuser and give them another shot.
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@medes5597 Yep, and they're ludicrously tiny. And people celebrate the Communist Partisans against the Third Reich in their histories; that doesn't make them evil Communist dictatorships.
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@TheVardek13 And how, exactly, am I projecting? Or are you just throwing out words to make yourself sound smart in defense of a bootlicker?
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@TheVardek13 Insulting aside, you really haven't explained yourself, so you do really seem to just be throwing words around.
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@TheVardek13 That's a given that you don't owe me anything, genius. But your defensiveness and attempts to bash the literal victim in a war of aggression that they did nothing to deserve is disgusting imperialist propaganda. Does the Azov Battalion exist? Of course. Does that mean that Ukraine is now suddenly a Nazi state that the US is protecting, NO. Are you repeating Kremlin propaganda to the point that you're justifying their imperialism? YES. "Stop with the apologies for unethical groups" No, I will not, because imperialism often brings out the worst in people in the victim's nations. Whether it be Islamic extremism, Fascism, Communism, etc, etc. The issue is how these groups came to be; was it formed as a response to imperialism? If so, then the issue is the imperialists, not the victim. Also, do these groups actually have control over their governments? Because guess what? There are far-right/fascist groups everywhere in the West, as well as in Russia. We are "supporting" their nations, which by your logic equates to supporting them apparently. What's with this ludicrous double-standard for Ukraine? Fact is this; the US is supporting Ukraine, not a specific group like the Azov Battalion. But you can't seem to do anything but mention them, thus making it into a "US is supporting Nazis". So you are intentionally misrepresenting the situation to shift the narrative; how is this not intentional propaganda for the sake of the imperialists??? And yes, Nazism is comparable to Communism. They both have a horrible penchant for mass murdering people, don't try to and defend mass murdering ideologies. So ultimately, I am not projecting; I'm all for backing democracies against imperialists; the only exception being when their democracies faulter to extremism. Ukraine is nowhere near that state. Cry me a river about you suddenly finding it hard to back a country that tolerates a small battalion of fascists when their national sovereignty and existence is on the line. Talk about punching down, imperialist.
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@TheVardek13 You are pretty defensive, taking all this as if its an attack. I am using combative language, but you taking it so personally is weird. I thought you were hiding behind being defensive, but you really do seem to be oddly attacked. That's strange, relax dude. This is a comment reply. Don't want to engage? Then don't. That's your choice. If I keep responding to you after that, then that constitutes harassment. Yeah, you didn't "bash" any victims, but you keep using Kremlin propaganda language, which confused me. Later in your reply you said that Russia doesn't have the right to attack Ukraine, great, but you still keep harping on about the Azov Battalion as if that matters at all; as if that's something the US should be ashamed of. Again; the US isn't backing them at all, its backing the state which uses them, which in this situation is hardly something to be ashamed of. This isn't the nice and peaceful West; this is a war for their right to exist, it just seems so utterly privileged to be concerned over that. That or intentional propaganda, which seems less likely now. You don't need to live in Russia or someplace specific to believe in Kremlin propaganda. Me Abuela follows a lot of it in Peru, nowhere near Ukraine or Russia. It's quite pervasive. Are you really not aware of this? Yes, Nazis and Communists and Islamic extremists are conflatable. What's your deal with being unable to conflate extremist groups together with their penchant for human oppression and mass murder? Oh, now you want to stop? Okay, I'll stop, but the bit about you defending Communism as somehow not as bad as Nazism isn't centrist, it's called "not being a bad person". FYI.
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@TheVardek13 Bruh, if you want to stop, quit replying. You can't tell someone to "stop harassing me" and then reply to them to continue. Anyway, I'm not wrong, I'm just not a hypocrite like you. Or a bad person like you, apparently, who tries to diminish the evil of ideologies like Communism.
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@TheVardek13 I don't really want anything from you, just want to break down the flaws in your logic either for you to see, or for others to see. It seems to be born from a place of far-leftism which has a hate boner for the US rather than Kremlin propaganda. I've seen the video, and you may as well have cited PragerU, wtf? It literally acknowledges itself as a leftist publication that is as biased as PragerU, why exactly would you take such a source as fact? It's LITERAL propaganda! And it proves to be just as bad as PragerU too... But I listened to it anyway, and already halfway through it's forming a narrative that the far-right hijacked the protests and "exacerbated the protests", and even giving credence to the conspiracy theory that they orchestrated the sniper attacks in Euromaidan. FFS, police were beating and killing protestors, and they think it was these rightoids that exacerbated it? Seriously??? This is why people call these people tankies; because their hatred of rightoids or perceived rightoids leads them to justify the killing of innocents. Not literally, but by subtly pushing the "far-right is the one making things worse" stuff. Also, the idea of painting Svoboda as entirely far-right is a complete lie. It's nationalist, 100%, but nowhere near fascist in flavor. I still think its regressive, especially when Ukraine shut down protests later, but to paint the idea that the eastern lands in Donbas attempted to secede BECAUSE some government jobs were taken by Svoboda because they feared fascists is disgusting propaganda on their part. Especially when they use the loss of equal recognition of the Russian and Ukrainian language as proof of their fears; which only occurred with the approval of Parliament and was no different from Russian laws. Edit: I forgot to mention that Svoboda do seem to have some actual fascists among them, though they are a minority, it is 100% a good cause to minimize them. Thankfully, they seem awfully minimized; as I already knew they were. Though your source seems to think they are even more powerful. Convenient lies for her narrative. Russia has language laws just like that, is that evidence of a far-right that these regions should be fleeing from as well? Hell, many Eastern European states have these laws as well; placing their own language at the forefront, they're common to stop their languages from becoming extinct after relentless Russification. As long as the Russian language isn't banned or their speakers repressed (socially it's a big issue in Ukraine, I hear) then its fine. Even worst, this video absolutely refuses to talk about how the "separatists" were completely supported by Russian troops and that the "disputed referendum" occurred only after Russian troops occupied the lands there and shot at international observers trying to review it. Now, using these faulty findings, it paints Ukraine as a nation with growing neo-nazi power in its government, which is such a COMPLETE lie that any study on it completely debunks it. Again, very few members of Ukraine's government is made up of far-right groups. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svoboda_(political_party)#2014_and_2019_elections:_Losing_support Hell, there are more far-right political support in France's Le Pen than there is in this country with "growing far-right power". And fuck that final claim. Talk about reaching across the moons and stars. There is no actual "blowback" from supporting this tiny fascist group; because she is trying to paint this entire crisis as caused by the rise in the fa-right when the issue is that Russian troops literally invaded these territories and then forced a referendum. This is the problem with the Left today. So damned needy to somehow pin every problem on the US that they will absolve other groups entirely just to do so. It's especially funny how they only do this when its when the US "backing" ever touches far-right groups, but then routinely ignore when it touches far-left groups that have more serious issues such as the YPG and their ethnic cleansing of non-Kurds. You need to stop watching such obvious propaganda. I tell my abuela that all the time with the rot of Fox News, and you seem little better in this regard.
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@TheVardek13 You are literally allowing far-left propaganda to slam down far-right propaganda. Allowing yourself to be taken by either/or is embarrassing. How about you have a healthy skepticism for groups that align themselves for one side or another? France far-right is bad, worse even than Ukraine's in terms of government control, but that's hardly a reason to shit on France, let alone a reason to shit on Ukraine. This isn't a defense, Neo-Nazi groups are evil; but the issue is that you are effectively using their mere existence as proof that Ukraine is at fault for Russian invasion -or rather that's what the source is implying at the end of that little spiel. That the far-right of Ukraine, due to US support, is what caused this mess. Ignoring Russia's far more obvious and far more important role of INVADING AND OCCUPYING while backing literal terrorists to cause this. I never once claimed to be a leftist, I'm moderate to be sure; and be assured that I shit on rightoids when they do stupid shit too. So many rightoids are taking Russia's side because "it's their right to secure themselves from Western imperialism". And yet I check leftist channels and I find people like you to be no better. You are the literal reactionary that is using victim-blaming media to have an inflated sense of morality when you are just effectively allowing the imperialists to get away with evil shit. The "all sides suck" ultimate in centrism, despite me being a moderate, is disgusting here. I don't recall saying that you were American. That much is obvious.
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@TheVardek13 Eh, you know what, I'll bow out. Say whatever you want, your logic is beyond fucked and I'm tired of it. Far-rightoids and far-lefties seem hellbent on fucking everyone as long as they get to say "I told you so" in this literal Russian invasion. At least you admit that Russia shouldn't invade, but screw this "all sides bad" bullshit.
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