Comments by "Fernando Jackson" (@fernandojackson7207) on "Yishai Fleisher"
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@arturturk5926 Those who make those claims do little but parrot what they hear from others who are just as ignorant as themselves. Informed people; people in the military, such as Sir John McCall, John Spencer, Richard Kemp, all say otherwise. I wouldn't get information about, say, Physics, from butchers, dress designers, etc., who know nothing about Physics. Let alone the data itself points in the opposite direction.
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@ashbeck1736 Israel became a country naturally, per the Mandate System, as so many other countries: Irak, Syria, Lebanon did, in their ancestral lands. Notice: Jews: Judea, Arabs: Arabia. The region of Palestine had become stateless as a result of the dissolution of the Ottoman Empire. Several states, including Israel, Syria, Lebanon, etc. were created to provide locals a state. I don't see anythIng strained or unnatural about Israel, nor the way it was created.
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@BiharyGabor Er, no, upon transfer of Mandate land, Israel automatically acquires the boundaries of such land. Just like several other countries like Syria, Iraq, Lebanon, etc., that evolved out of the Mandate system. I told you, beyond that, I'm not clear, as Oslo was the governing scheme since 1993, after which it was violated repeatedly. Thus I'm not clear on its status at this point. Funny how those like you only question Israel's claim to its land, but have no concerns for the ownership status by other countries.
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@BiharyGabor The terms by which the Idf operates in Judea and Samaria, _ have been agreed to_ by both sides. As such, it is _ not_ forceful, nor has it been impossed / done under duress. When the terms have been agreed to, there is no dictatorship by the Idf. Want to see dictatorship, look at hamas, which is in its 17th year of a 4-year term, which governs without any controls, opposition party nor free press. And you endorse the sham of the UN, UNRWA, who have artificially kept this problem ongoing. UNCHR was able to place all its refugees in a few years , while in 75 years, UNRWA has increased the number from 700,000 to 5.9 million. UNRWA considers any descendants of refugees of 1948 to be refugees themselves, so that, even those that have acquired nationality in 3rd countries are still considered refugees. So, the likes of 28-year old Bella haddid , born in Washington DC, worth around $23 million, a supermodel, is a refugee, and, as such, can claim benefits from UNRWA. Spare me your lecture. I'm done with this exchange. My " lack of answer" is the result of vague, unverifiable claims and appeals to authority, as you demand sources without providing any yourself. Good day/night, etc.
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@ashbeck1736 Well, it's an opiniin, not like I can run a double/triple blind experiment to verify it. If you check " Our World in Data", you see the exponential decrease in poverty rate, increase in literacy, etc, after ww2. If the US, West wanted to keep others down, they wouldn't have provided the technology of the Web for free. Sorry, but this comment section doesn't allow me to see your comment in full, so I'm guessing beyond the first few lines of your comment.
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@SalvadorOchoa-p9k No one is taking nor has taken any " Palestinian land", as, among other things, there has never been any nation of Palestine. And, no, you clearly don't know the US helped, as the US didn't help Israel until recently. And good job ignoring that Iran, NK, Russia, a good chunk of the current 1.8 billion Muslims , want to destroy Israel. That , some 10 countries and 1.6 billion , against Israel's 9 million, is fair to you. Israel is mostly self-reliant in high tech; one of the world's top in several areas, independently of US support. Unlike your Muslim countries, who have produced nothing of value for several centuries. Try again.
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@GrouchyMonk2025 Your premises just don't hold up. Jews had been living there for centuries and had built their culture in the region. Notice, Jews: Judea, Arab: Arabia. And, no, it was not " centuries ago"; Jews had been living there continuously over the centuries. But I can turn things around on you and say that Arabs ( allegedly, as many are recent arrivals) living there, does not grant them rights to the land. There are other issues: Palestinian Arabs were granted Jordan. Secondly, they were not forced out by Jews, some of whom actually asked them to stay, but rather Arab leaders asked them to leave. Then there's the fact that Palestinians had found refuge in several Arab countries, which then forced them out. Why not give these countries the burden of absorbing the Palestinians they forced out. Lastly, Arabs launched a genocidal war in 1948 . And they lost. When a group launches and loses a genocidal war, they don't get to complain. If Palestinians were forced out, just where did the current 1.8 million Muslims come from? Some 850,000 Jews were forced out of Arab countries. That apparently is a non-issue.
There is no such " theft". The Mandate System works as it does because it's essentially impossible to distribute land in a way that pleases everyone.
Several other countries were born through the exact same Mandate System, where some local groups were displaced: Syria, Irak, Lebanon, etc. Wonder if you call that theft as well.
Ultimately, millions have gone through similar or worse than displacement and have moved on, rather than brooding and nursing resentment for 76 years. Have Palestinians do that. There is no such theft beyond your opinion; neither laws nor precedent supports claims of theft of land.
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