Comments by "Evan" (@MrEvanfriend) on "Metatron"
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ChaoticButterfly The Celts and Vikings did not have women fighting, and the idea of "shieldmaidens" is pure fantasy detached from any actual historical evidence, either archeological or written. Try actually researching your "points" before making them. As for samurai, women would take up arms in defense of the home (just like any women anywhere throughout history). This is not the same as being an actual warrior on campaign, something you seem to have trouble understanding.
Yes, there are exceptional women in the world. The key word being exceptional. You don't make policy based on exceptions, and exceptional people, male or female, can find success in any number of fields. Putting a single woman into the one job where she is least suited, and where her presence is a problem, isn't taking advantage of her talents, it's making her into a problem.
I've heard of that woman, whose name I don't remember, who dressed as a man to fight in the Revolution. If I remember, it all ended poorly. Then there's the more modern record...women like Jessica Lynch, who disgraced herself and the US Army with her cowardice and unpreparedness. Good men died rescuing her. Then there's these "lionesses" in Afghanistan, the female engagement teams who go out and talk to local women. They're an utter waste of resources for no gain. You're taking admin clerks, giving them an infantry escort that could be better used on a real mission, and sending them to talk to...people who have zero agency, thereby gaining nothing useful and annoying their fathers and husbands, who are the ones we're theoretically trying to win over.
Your analogy about Rome is incoherent. If the Celtic women had fought, it would have been mentioned by people like Caesar, who fought the Celts. It's notably absent. Furthermore, the Celts were conquered as Rome was ascending, not declining. And then there's the whole thing about not having women in combat makes them "weak". Um, no. Women not being men doesn't make them weak. It makes them women. A society that fails to understand the difference between men and women is a weakened one; as is a society that has women - people who are biologically unsuited for the task - in combat.
You seem hung up on the fact that some women can be as strong as a man. Noted. That isn't relevant. A woman's body is less durable than that of a man of equal strength. She has less testosterone, and thus cannot have the propensity for aggression and violence that a man has. And the very fact that she's a woman in an all-male culture creates massive problems with unit cohesion, morale, logistics, and literally everything else that matters to a combat unit.
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ChaoticButterfly Yes, women have testosterone. At very low levels compared to men. Even of she can make it through the training, her body is not nearly as robust as that of a man. She can carry about half of what a man can without serious risk of injury. She lacks the potential to achieve the upper body strength, speed, and stamina. This is a massive problem in and of itself.
More disqualifying than the physical issues are the social ones. Your absurd notions aside, a woman can never be "one of the guys". The idea of a "sister in arms" is frankly laughable, as anyone who has actually served in a combat unit would tell you. The culture of an infantry unit is very testosterone driven and aggressive, and a woman in the mix would throw it all off. As I have previously said, there is no advantage to be gained, and massive disadvantages, to attempting to integrate women into combat units. Letting feminists feel good about themselves isn't worth the harm to military readiness, morale, and unit cohesion. I'm saying this as a former Marine rifleman, and unlike all you "social justice" types, I actually know what I'm talking about.
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Of course I haven't read every saga, but I do know that in English (what with me being a native English speaker and all) Ragnar Lodbrok is ALWAYS spelled and pronounced with the D, not the TH. And Hrolf is either referred to in English as Hrolf the Walker or Gangahrolf. It would be nice if they were speaking Old Norse, but as half-assed as that show is, I can see why they're not. It would also be nice if they managed just a little historical accuracy on a couple things, but they don't seem to be going for that, either.
I haven't watched the show past the first half of the first season, after that I became too disgusted and gave it up. In the first episode they're acting like there's nothing to the West of Scandinavia, and "Ragnar Lothbrok" has this "revolutionary" idea that there is land, ie the British Isles, to the West. This is ridiculous.
You claimed that this moronic show is based on Icelandic sagas, I was pointing out how taking a couple characters from them and a couple unrelated historic events and throwing them all in one jumble is neither true to history (which I know quite a bit about) nor true to the sagas.
And they got almost no details right, especially about society. They put these people in a feudal system first and foremost, which is every bit as anachronistic as putting them in the Roman Republic. Then, they make the feudal system such that if you kill the Jarl, you become Jarl yourself, which is just pure fiction. Then they have shieldmaidens, for which there is zero historic evidence, and it is HIGHLY unlikely that such a thing ever existed, because it's an incredibly bad idea on every level. Then they have these ridiculous monstrous priest-demon things, which is also completely false. Oh, and explaining how the guy getting executed is going to Valhalla, which isn't how Norse paganism worked. And of course the whole "my slaves are my equals" thing which was clearly designed more to appeal to modern sensibilities than to give any air of authenticity whatsoever. If you think they got details right, I'd suggest reading some history books on the period, because that shit is no more accurate than Game of Thrones, which at least admits that it's fantasy.
I don't remember any jewelry off hand, but the weapons aren't particularly accurate (I recall some rather ridiculous axes and swords slung over shoulders and a conspicuous lack of spears), the "armor" and costumes are by no means accurate, and the ships are really the one redeeming feature of the show. They're done beautifully.
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I've never done any reenacting myself, because I've seen WWII reenactors do their thing, and they looked ridiculous. People with no military training attempting tactical maneuvers and whatnot just look like clowns. I was in a real war, and have never felt the need as an adult to play at war. Obviously Roman legionary reenactors have no actual training and will be doing it wrong. That being said, the general lack of armor for the right arm specifically strikes me as odd to say the least. I can think of two possible solutions: First, that the Romans figured it wasn't worth the logistical hassle of having another piece of gear to give to troops who would probably just lose it or break it anyway (at least if Roman legionaries were anything like US Marines, and I suspect they were). Second, they may have decided that armor on the arm was an encumbrance, that any protective value it may have had was offset by reduced effectiveness at throwing a pilum, or something to that effect. All armor is a compromise, and armor that protects you but prevents you from fighting effectively is not a good one. It would be interesting to see statistics from Roman campaigns about where on the body most wounds were taken, and I suspect that it would be the right arm/hand, but I don't think any such data exists.
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As an American, I can say that learning about firearms at a young age is generally a good thing. I grew up in New York City, which has draconian gun laws, but most of my friends were given a .22 rifle for their 7th birthday. Any children I have will be given a .22 rifle for their 7th birthdays as well. In this case, it was very unfortunate that this girl was handed a weapon that she could not physically use safely. However, bad judgment on behalf of a very few people is a terrible reason to restrict ANY rights, including gun rights. I recently was at a "machine gun tourism" spot in Tennessee. I got to shoot on full auto for the first time since I got out of the Marine Corps 10 years ago. I shot a G36 on full auto. Granted, I have actual military training, but I don't think that that matters. I have no children, but I wouldn't be likely to let my hypothetical 9-year-old daughter shoot an Uzi. That is not to say, by any means, that if some parents have a nine-year-old girl, and decide that it is safe for her to shoot an Uzi, and that properly trained range authorities concur that it is safe, that this hypothetical girl shouldn't be allowed to shoot (on an aside, I don't like the Uzi, because I'm left-handed and I tend to accidentally engage the safety catch as I try to press the trigger). An accident, no matter how horrific, is by no means an excuse for additional infractions on basic rights like gun ownership.
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Post offices are as fucked up as a football bat practically everywhere. In the US, when you move, the post office is where you go to get a voter registration form. When I moved to Queens, I got mine in Chinese, which I don't read, nor am I even remotely mistakable for a chinaman. That post office also just stopped delivering my mail for about six months for no good reason. In Philadelphia, I once went to the post office to get a stamp and an envelope to mail off a check or something. After spending 30 seconds looking at one sheet of stamps, and another minute or so looking at a separate sheet of stamps, and comparing the two (which were identical), the postal worker informed me that they didn't sell stamps. They also lost a camera full of pictures from Iraq, which I had mailed to my girlfriend to get the pictures developed. It never got there.
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You can't really talk about American pizza. There's too much difference. You have that nasty Pizza Hut shit that's prevalent in most of the country, then the Chicago style deep dish, which is also weird and wrong, and then you have New York pizza, which can essentially be divided into Neopolitan (thin and round) and Sicilian (thick and square). New York pizza is the only one that's any good, and it can be hard to find outside of the Greater New York area (though I have found decent examples in Pennsylvania and in North Carolina).
That being said, you may think you want to visit New York, but you don't. I grew up there, and have spent over half my life there, and I refuse to go there anymore. It's an absolutely disgusting city in every way. The pizza and the New York Mets are really the only worthwhile things in the entire city. And Gray's Papaya, which are the world's best hot dogs, hands down.
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You make valid points, but the big picture here is that virtually any English speaker - at least a native English speaker - can tell an American from a Briton. And with mass media, accents are becoming more generic. In the Marine Corps, I knew Utahns, Texans, and Floridians. Most of them spoke with a general non-regional American accent. Myself, I am a native of New York, but my mother is from Tennessee. To my own ear, my accent sounds very generic American. In the Corps, I found that some people thought I had a thick New York accent - which was occasionally mistaken for a Boston accent (I sound nothing like a Bostonian). When I left the Marines and moved back to New York, people thought I had a southern accent. In Pennsylvania, where I live now, nobody notices any particular accent of mine - though I plainly don't speak with the Pennsylvania accent where "home" is pronounced "h'yome" and "water" is pronounced "wudder". Nobody hearing me speak has ever thought I was anything but American, except for one German guy who I had a brief conversation in German with at a bar in Queens, NY, who thought I was German mostly because I had ordered a beer that apparently isn't well known outside of Bamberg. Certainly nobody has ever mistaken me for an Englishman.
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Even in modern armies, women are horribly unsuited for combat. It's not just a matter of shooting a rifle (though a Marine Corps study said that men were about 50% better at that as well). A modern soldier carries quite a bit of armor, weapons, ammunition, and other equipment. Something like 60-80lbs. That shit gets heavy. A man can generally carry up to half of his body weight in gear for an extended period without hurting himself. For women, it's 25% of body weight, any more than that and they become increasingly likely to suffer injuries. Furthermore, the very basic issue that makes men far better suited to combat - testosterone - remains. Women are simply not capable of the levels of strength and aggression, two very necessary attributes for a successful soldier, that men are. Sure, the majority of modern armies consist of support roles, and sure, women make fine administrators and logisticians. I don't think anyone contests that (though there is the effect of women integrated into units that is troublesome even there - prostitution, STDs, pregnancies, real and imagined sexual assaults, and the general discord that comes from having a very small female minority amongst a large number of young, undersexed men), but support troops are not combat troops, and the dichotomy there is very real. A woman who might be excellent at making sure I get paid, probably far better at it than I could ever be, would not be able to keep up kicking down doors. Case in point: When the Obama administration made its disastrous attempt to integrate women into combat units, 36 women went to the Marine Corps' School of Infantry at Camp Lejeune. Three passed. I had not previously heard of ANYONE failing SOI.
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When I was about eleven years old, my mother had a family friend, a retired Latin professor, attempt to teach me Latin. At the time, I had zero interest, and spent these lessons making up my own "Latin" words like "crotus" and "bortobullus" and similar nonsense. Twenty years later, I really regret gaffing this opportunity off. The man who was attempting to teach me died in 1999, and basically all I remember was that V is pronounced as W, as in "EVANVS, (you have a) VACVVM MENTE". As an adult, I know a very few phrases/prayers in Latin, my favorite being BENEDICTVS DOMINVS DEVS MEVS QVI DOCET MANVS MEVS AD PRAELIVM ET DIGITOS MEVS AD BELLVM. Hindsight being 20/20, I would have payed attention, but at the time I just wanted to fool around with my friends. Right now, I can't remember a single name of the kids I gaffed off Latin to go play with. What a waste.
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Modern British soldiers are still forced to fight right-handed. This is because the L85/L86 rifle/light machine gun are not usable by lefties. And I don't know this for a fact, but I imagine that in the age of bolt action rifles, many if not most armies forced their soldiers to fight right handed. This is because as a lefty myself, I find that manipulating the bolt on bolt action rifles is far harder than it is for right handers. I personally own a Lee-Enfield No. III, and I find that left handed, I cannot come anywhere close to replicating the famous "mad minute", as the time it takes me to cycle the bolt with my left hand is far longer, and involves far more movement than it does for a right handed person. In the age of flintlock muskets, soldiers were forced to fight right handed as well, because the flash in the pan of a flintlock can take out a lefty's eye. The fact is that about 85% of the human population is right handed, and weapons and tactics tend to be designed for that 85%, with lefties either relegated to an afterthought or not thought of at all. I'm sure this has led to countless examples of right hand specific weapons and combat tactics, that lefties had to learn to adjust to.
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War is often just. It all depends on the cause. In WWII, for instance, the United States were never under serious direct threat from either Germany or Japan. However, I do not think it can be reasonably argued that the Marine on Guadalcanal battling the Japanese, malaria, malnutrition, and the generally horrible circumstances on that island were unjust in what they were doing. Nor can the soldier freezing in the Bois Jaques, holding the line against a vastly superior German force. Their cause was just, and therefore their actions were. When I was 19, I went to war in Iraq, a war that was unpopular then and is even more so now. I remain convinced that my fight was a just one. While the experience was one I'm glad to have behind me, I am very glad that I fought Islam on the streets of Fallujah rather than the streets of Philadelphia. There are men and ideologies that need to be stopped, and words do not always work to stop them. When that is the case, the mailed fist is the only option, and it is a righteous one. This is why the warrior is revered. Because war is truly the highest calling of man, as horrible as it is for the warrior himself. That a man is willing to put himself through hell to attain a result that he may well not live to see is everything that should be honored. This is not to say that war, just or not, does not have innocent victims. The tens of thousands of civilians who died in the respective firebombings of Dresden and Tokyo were, for the most part, decent people who had the bad luck of being from the wrong place, and they suffered and died for it. As cruel as it sounds, their deaths were worth it. The Third Reich and the Empire of Japan needed to be stopped at all costs, and if immolating tens of thousands of their people was what it took to batter these regimes to their knees, then so be it. In many situations, someone ends up on the short end of the stick, this is unavoidable. And in some situations, such as war, this can be for the greater good. 100,000 Tokyo civilians is a small price to pay for the billions of people today who live without the Imperial Japanese boot on their necks.
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There is FAR more wrong with that retarded show than just the costumes and armor. First, they can't even get the names of the primary characters right. Ragnar LODBROK (not "Lothbrok") is a well known probably mythical figure. Gangahrolf, or Hrolf the Walker, had his name Latinized as Rollo, but certainly didn't call himself that. Second, they're putting 8th-9th century Scandinavians in a feudal system. No, not at all. And to make it worse, you become Jarl by killing the old Jarl, which is the way that no feudal system ever has worked. Then there's the claim that before Lindisfarne, the Norse had no idea that the British Isles existed. Again, no. Then, they have executed people going to Valhalla, when Valhalla was only for those slain in battle, and not even all of them. Then, they add to the historical confusion and popular false imagine of women being on raids. Again, THIS DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR ANY NUMBER OF BIOLOGICAL AND CULTURAL REASONS. I can't emphasize that strongly enough. Then you have the main character with the ridiculous haircut whose name they couldn't even be bothered to get right treating his slaves as equals, because a modern audience generally tends to be against slavery, so they feel the need to soften that reality to appeal to them. No, slaves were not treated as equals there or anywhere else. And this was all just from the first half of the first season, after which I was too disgusted to keep watching, since they'd already gotten basically everything wrong.
Also, Ragnar Lodbrok was probably mythical, but even so he is in no way connected with the Lindisfarne raid, or, for that matter, with Hrolf the Walker. Basically, the only thing that show did a decent job on was the ships. They look good. Everything else is pretty much terrible. They should have just gone ahead and put them in the horned helmets, because the lack of horned helmets seems to be the only concession to authenticity that they made.
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