Comments by "D. San" (@DSan-kl2yc) on "Secular Talk"
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@mikenunya4491 the framing itself is misleading. It's not a guarantee. It's a guess based on the care you can get. It was over 20% at the start when people knew less about it. And you ignore that even 1% is considered high, and part of the problem with covid is how infectious it is.
Phrased another way, it's about 900% more deadly than the flu(10-20 times more likely to kill you).
There's also reinfection, intensive care and hospitalization, and long term side effects. And the fact that the outcome is a roll of the die.
The u.s case fatality rate is around 1.78 based on confirmed cases and deaths. And about 2.28 for my state.
“However, even when this uncertainty is taken into account, we still find that COVID-19 has a high fatality rate - on the order of 1% for a typical high-income country. This risk is concentrated in older ages, with the probability of dying from COVID-19 doubling approximately every eight years.
https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20201030/covid-19-infection-fatality-ratio-is-about-one-point-15-percent
" The estimates of infection fatality rate tended to be more homogeneous within each location, while they differed markedly across locations "
This is guessed based on the possible total case number which is unknown vs deaths. And guessed to be around 1.15-1.65. But this is just looking at areas around the world, which may be have a different health level than the U.S.
So it's important not to treat these things as strict numbers with a guarantee. Or to act like it's nothing. It can be nothing. Or it can be severe. Or it can be life ending. And it can keep mutating.
It's not that you're wrong, but it's that your wrong. Not on the data, but on how you interpret it. We're upto 500,000+ deaths. And that's using the same data as your figures. In fact, it's using harder data that is confirmed.
https://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/99/1/20-265892/en/
https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid#what-we-want-to-know-isn-t-the-case-fatality-rate-it-s-the-infection-fatality-rate
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No. Because they're essentially the same. It's like a non profit we're all putting money into.
But costs would go down in general.
From the buying power of a Nation, we'll be able to get better deals on drugs.
As someone else mentions, for everyone, administration would be streamlined, so costs go down.
There wouldn't be a for profit incentive. Costs go down.
The CEOs, ECT aren't going to give themselves bonus. Ect.
That's why every study on it indicates it will save the nation money.
As well as control the ballooning prices of the healthcare industry. which will result in... Costs going down.
As well as... The fact that our system is mixed welfare. And people have used so many excuses to not do a for all..this lopsided Frankenstein system makes things worst.
This idea that it has to be earned, and only kids and old people deserve it, let's all the excesses, the bad of the system grow
While giving us/nation, more to pay for the people that can't pay it
But being all in, and it's no longer welfare. Something that is no longer justified but just a function. Removes the worst aspect but keeps the good
Basically the current system is the worst of both worlds. With very skewed benefits. You have to be very rich. Or extraordinarily poor. To benefit. And the have nots might be understanding or bitter.
And it creates friction. Either to the people on welfare or towards the rich.
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@VitalVampyr I didn't make it a binary offensive or defensive allotment. That's how your thinking. I even asked how you defined it. You're projecting your mentality onto me. Maybe because you're reading my response to your response. Also you used a historical view at first, and now you're switching to a contemporary one. That in itself is not a problem. But don't act like that's what we were talking about before.
How do these people feel about U.S involvement? I'm not one of them. So I can't say.
And I can't say I know the situation in these places. This is a disclaimer. Let's see what a quick search shows.
The U.S invaded Afganisthan
Pakistan seems to be an ally
Yemen is in a civil war. And I'm guessing you didn't read the article I linked or read about it's history. That was also a civil war. The U.S might not be correct in who it backs at all. part of the reason they're at war is because the previous leader backed the U.S... C'mon.
I feel like you're trying too hard already to support whatever military centric view. People tend not to like another country apply their power on them. The U.S is fighting the government of Yemen, backed by saudi arabia. That's them being aggressive.
Uganda is an ally but the U.S isn't fighting them or even defending them. The U.S is backing someone that is damn near a dictator. And helping him terrorize people.
And the rabbit hole that is U.S involvement in the Congo.
You can't see how they flipflop with who they support. Like the death of Patrice Lamumba by their backed Motobu. This is the history of U.S involvement.
Again, no one is against the U.S helping people who are approved by, everyone, allies, supported by the U.N, who aren't full of human rights violation. But that's not what's happened. So why are they going into these costly wars conflicts. And even if they aren't, they're definitely back horrible people.
If they help one of these people win, that becomes on them. When it doesn't have to be.
U.S definitely invaded Iraq.
U.S was involved in Syria. Even before there was a war. They literally helped cause a war. I don't know what that falls under. But that's pretty fucked up.
At least twice, you're acting like the aftermath and occupation of an invasion, means that there weren't invasions. The occupation is related, and connected to the invasion. And that's another Civil War.
Well I'm asking these questions rhetorically. Your viewpoint I can imagine.
suffice it to say that Syria is not a good example of the U.S being in support. And even Assad has accused The U.S of regime change. So I don't know how much in defense that is. But he's not someone to support either. Either way the U.S would have to live with the morality of it's decisions because it chose to get involved. I'm not even sure if the U.S knows who it's supporting.
Basically, Using your own definition, I don't think Syria falls under the "defense" angle.
So 4/7 were invasions. But Uganda is like supporting saudi arabia. And the history of U.S involvement in the African countries can't be said to be good.
2/3 are horrible governments.
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@jonsmith9838 I agree. Anything that is like physical or legal oppression or flat out illegal is fine to talk back on, and take a stand on.
The trans room thing is fine. I think most younger people weren't very vocal about it. What I've seen them be vocal about is trans athletes, which requires explaining. And when young trans kids should start transitioning, which also requires explaining, and different trans people have ideas on.
We have to realize that some people are against the whole thing(they take any anti argument essentially in bad faith). But some people require explaining, or are more reasonable. But might have caution. But aren't going to vote in a republican. Ultimately this is like an issue for doctors and the people involved cause it's not like we're going to be that well informed by comparison.
These cultural issues aren't on that level usually. So we or you think we're talking about this but they're talking about something on a less grandiose level that affects them.
I agree it's not about throwing anyone away.
I think it's about having some tolerance.
About leaving some people alone.
About understanding where some views come from(backgrounds, different eras ect), and understanding that some people are at different points of the journey.
Going back to economic policy. Sometimes we're talking about young people, some that didn't go to school, or didn't like what they were told there cause it seemed one sided. Who just aren't looking at economic policy or aware of it.
Their first exposure to this is culture war stuff. And I don't know where that will take them. Whether it's down to right-wing economics or just not voting. Worst case scenario is if they're white, is racism. Racist lurk in those right-wing outrage circles.
Let me state again I don't think it's right wing republicans necessarily that matter here. It could be regular but apolitical people.
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