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@Reality_TM You seem the outdated one here, read up Kahnemann system1 and system2 thinking. Lol.
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@SteveWeiserOnYouTube i think we should all put pressure on our respective governments not to engage in a race to ASI to maximize the chance of survival
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Except we're horrible batteries! Burning our food instead will provide ~5 times the energy.
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As funny as the Terminator analogies may be, they don't help the issue to be taken seriously...
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It's good she came around!
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@Jamieconstable i agree she doesn't seem to be as concerned about it yet as i am... but at least, she seems to change towards the right direction ;)
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Agreed in terms of disempowerment. But even more to loose than power...
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Sorry to hear that! Let's still try to enjoy some few good little things, even when the general lookout may be be difficult... In the light of disaster, things are still worse if you're having bad mood! Sorry for the truism...
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No matter what you call intelligence... if it replaces your job, fakes alignment and shows instrumental convergence.
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True... but would you say faking alignment is ambiguous in that respect as well?
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@sdmarlow3926 did you actually read the paper in discussion? I highly recommend so!
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Sigh of relief! So let's not bother with the alignment problem too soon...
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So you argue this will never happen because people have failed so far? Brain chauvinism might be responsible for us to miss alignment, with potential fatal outcome.
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@mobatyoutube good! Then let's prepare, since recent studies show alignment faking of current models already.
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"The industry" is basically shareholders. Good luck convincing them giving away money...
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Which has already proven to be wrong now
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You seem not up to date, because they are now. And just because we are not down the cliff yet, doesn't mean it's safe to drive that way.
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@jackquinnes hope the buzz word won't surprise you some day... maybe read up on instrumental convergence and some recent papers on alignment faking
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Einstein wasn't even able to play football as good as me.
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@jaceg810 yes, so far ;)
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Haha, so bad! Yet, Einstein was so famous for his poetry...
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So yhe block universe is true because of the way we use the word "now"? Great we can change physics by just changing our language 😅
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You don't need to flap wings to propel an airplane
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@34ccsn just wanted to point out that on order to produce a certain functionality, it is not always necessary to copy another mechanism... there may be other ways to produce "intelligence" (whatever that is) than our brains. Lots of people would certainly claim AI is fairly intelligent already. We have studies from current LLMs faking alignment, if that's not alarming. And they're not going to get dumber...
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Right. Plus we have to solve alignment first
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"I need to go to the loo..." Harry Potter
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Alignment faking in current models already, no geniuses required
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Brain chauvinism? Anyhow, no need to think if you can fake alignment or show instrumental convergence.
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Great then, we'll never have to bother about alignment or instrumental convergence... wait, recent studies show alignment faking already??
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They won't help us, unfortunately... don't you think AI developers know Asimov, too?
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By definition super intelligence comes not before, but after AGI. If their mechanism is successful and AGI is not built, nothing to worry about. On the other hand, if super intelligence is already here, it wouldn't bother with this failed plan either. But maybe you argue that a non-super intelligent AI could read it and counteract accordingly to eventually become ASI...
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I thought without brakes ;)
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Of course, it didn't make sense before. Still better than the race to the bottom most other guys are proposing currently...
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@silafuyang8675 u think US are more responsible than that?
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@ekklesiast the point was exactly that both obserers don't see different events. That was a misinterpretation of Hakeem.
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Who said he wants bleeding edge??
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Lucky? Ever heard of alignment problem?
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They do! Doesn't unfortunately mean we can conclude it's not gonna happen.
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There's neither a viable definition for sentience nor intelligence to agree on. Meanwhile, computers fake alignment and show instrumental convergence.
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Thought we're there already... but we may get to much worse if we don't solve alignment first
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Funny?
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@Curvydad apparently :)
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Ever heard of Turing test?
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Let your children deal with alignment, then.
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Apparently it's not even relevant if anyone wants it or not... the guys who don't build it will loose the race. Before the "enemy" wins, they rather risk extinction big time.
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Exactly brilliantly put, you must be a super genius! They are not going to, because they are already. Just read some recent papers on alignment faking, and confront your dogms with some evidence for a change.
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I guess Geoffrey Hinton didn't get his nobel prize for being knowledgeable then
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@chesterV72 you would call Geoffrey Hinton a physicist? The nobel prize for AI does not yet exist... Suggest you have a look at current brain research, whole thing is based on understanding the human brain based on algorithms. My worry is that because of brain chauvinism, we'll miss to get alignment right before it's too late...
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@chesterV72 didn't want to claim that. I just hope we won't regret in the future not to have done enough now.
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Good! Luckily nothing to worry about, then... we can logically conclude it will never happen!
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