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  291. Okay. I couldnt make it though your argument without giving a handful of corrections: Embryonic development is very well understood for the first trimester. I'm currently pregnant (via IVF) and not only did my hormone levels (blood test) give exact age of the embryo it was within a very specific range. It may be plus or minus a day but for the first 6-8 weeks it's pretty much spot on unless the fetus is already dying in which case it will be significantly lower than the target and shouldn't line up with a conception date, your blood work also won't double at the correct rate (which is why two blood tests are performed 48 hours apart). That's in the early weeks. I had weekly ultrasounds (because IVF), and each time a different ultrasound tech who didn't know when our date of transfer was, they all got the embryonic age within a day. Now at 30 weeks there is a week difference between what I am and what the baby is measuring at (baby is 10 days ahead of schedule). But that's taken as an average based on so many different factors (head circumference, shoulder width, arm lengths, fluid levels, intestinal development etc). Saying they can be off by a week is all based on what the mother claims to be (based on her cycle) and not what the doctor can see based on the development of the fetus. 10 out of 10 it's because the mother doesn't actually know when she ovulated and is making her best guess which could be off by weeks. Having the doc say "this is how far you are" based on an ultrasound is about as scientific as you can get and should be required over the mother's "I'm 4 weeks" or whatever. Also - 2 weeks pregnant = not pregnant, that means you may not have even had sex yet to become pregnant. You don't become pregnant until week 3 when the embryo is about 6 days old and is actually implanted. About 5 days later you can see hormonal changes. Which is why most women find out at 4 weeks. You are saying this is all based on religious right arguments but not a single religious argument was made in the supreme court ruling. It was all legal arguments that have been well understood for a decade or more. There are other possible avenues to take it back to the courts but you're the one who's making moralistic and emotional arguments in favor of it. My state is very prolife - it's one where abortion is now banned. It was incredibly easy here to get an abortion - at worst you had to drive 4 hours to a clinic once, and that was if you for some reason wanted to stay in state, others were much closer. Now you have to drive 4 hours and 5 minutes across the border to the next abortion clinic. They also would mail you abortifacient, no questions asked. It's hard to believe that I'm this incredibly conservative state (apparently) with very strict abortion rules that they would be loser than what you are describing. What you are describing are the far outliers and likely just dicks who work the front desk. Most of those stories are made up out of whole cloth, based on stories from 30+ years ago or are exaggerations (eg there weren't any appointments for a week because the doc was out of town and they thought it was because of some other reason). Stop making emotional and religious arguments when they weren't brought up in the first place and learn some facts about early pregnancy if you want to make an argument. Also viability is at 20 weeks 1 day, 5 months (just over half way through the pregnancy) currently, probably won't get any lower unless there are major advancements in fetal transplantation.
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