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***** Alright, here goes. Sorted by which car they're an alternative to:
Fiesta:
Mazda2: much more modern, an interior that isn't godawful to look at and operate, brilliant engines, best handling in class.
Renault Clio: more timeless design, more convenient dash, just as good to drive.
Polo and Corsa:
Citroen C3: very fun, with its quirky design. By far the most comfortable car in its class, quite spacious and very light, very reasonably priced.
Hyundai i20: much more classy than either the Polo or the Corsa, both of which are doomed to chav territory over time. It has a touch of Audi in its design, reasonably priced kit, a cabin that's classy, convenient and atmospheric and great reliability.
Suzuki Baleno: just as dull, but the handling puts it in Fiesta range. Very light, very cheap given equipment levels, very spacious, naturally reliable.
Fiat Tipo: the hatchback is about the same price as a VW Polo, but it's one size bigger and a very, very good, if fairly basic car.
And the almighty Dacia: people who drive Polos tend to not give a damn about cars. Why not sacrifice some refinement and huggable plastics (in what is still a perfectly fine car) and save a few bob?
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Firemarioflower I was about to agree to disagree, but then you started with this 'real man' bollocks again. Please, for crying out loud, stop that. Why do you feel such a pressuring need to prove your manhood?
Decent is, in fact, right about in the middle between 'stuck-up' and 'caveman'. Decent is a very neutral word. For instance, a Toyota Corolla is a 'decent' car: it's good enough, but it doesn't excel. It's not terrible, nor is it brilliant.
How can you decide what sort of women we like, especially since I just said differently? I prefer them somewhere between the two extremes.
Now, regarding your other comment:
He's referring to the Photoshopped pictures she puts online. She may be pretty in those (and that's where the whole self-esteem thing comes in), but they're not an accurate representation of the real thing.
They show all sides? Oh, just like proper journalism, then. Can you really blame them for not wanting to be as one-sided as propaganda?
The whole Kardashian circus is appalling. These people have no talent whatsoever, they can't do anything. All their fame comes from a reality TV show about their lives, in which they have accomplished nothing impressive.
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Firemarioflower A car usually wears a 'premium' badge because that badge at some point in history was applied to outstandingly good cars. However, not all brands deserve their premium status. Until the release of the Giulia, Alfa Romeo was one of them. Audi is still one of them: in the end, they're VW's that use slightly more posh materials.
Your reasoning alone qualifies you as a badg snob. 'And now you petulant trolls somehow think that a Mazda is just as good?' In other words, you think a Mazda can't be as good as an Audi, because it's a Mazda... a classic example of badge snobbery.
Plenty of analogue things? Such as? Also, nobody recommends the manual because it's hardly a pleasure to use. Meanwhile, everyone praises the Mazda's interior.
Wait, so now it lacks torque and isn't as responsive? The former is a negative by-effect of NA engines, the latter applies to turbo engines more than anything. What happened to 'turbos suck if used for fuel economy'?
The advantages you name are only noticeable for nitpickers, you need to actively pay attention to notice. Is that worth a price difference that buys you a secondary hobby car, for example your beloved classics (or multiple nice holidays for non-petrolheads)?
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Rohit lad Poor reliability, including absolutely atrocious electrics on GTE hybrids, maintenance-heavy DSGs, TSI engines needing a new timing chain belt every five seconds and wasting more oil than the US military and of course the diesel fraud say otherwise. Dull, uneventful handling and unoriginal design are salt in the wounds. The Skoda/Seat/VW/Audi spectrum is hopelessly miscalibrated, with the cars becoming more unpractical and unreliable as we look further up VAG's supposed internal food chain. Audis exist solely to charge more for Skodas, VWs ride on reputation, Seat is stuck between sporty ambitions and dull underpinnings and Skodas are great cars hampered by unreliable VW tech. Adding insult to injury, the definitive worst car in the world is a VW, specifically the Polo Bluemotion diesel.
It appears that VW's engineering prowess ran out after the legendary but fairly irrelevant Veyron, the brilliant but woefully unsuccessful Pheaton and the undeniably good but monstrously ugly Bentayga.
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Ben Weston Spec both cars with the most powerful diesel (180 bhp 2.0 for the Jag, 175 bhp 2.2 for the Mazda) and spec the Mazda up as much as you can with the GT-M equipment level. Make it an estate while you're at it. Then, equip the Jag to the same level. The price tags should be quite far apart, though nowhere near as much as they would be with 'ze Germans'.
Either way, the 6 will provide great value, especially since it's cavernous inside. The XE only seats midgets in the back: I'm just under 1,80 m (6 feet, I think), and I could barely get in, or out, let alone sit there for a prolonged period of time.
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Firemarioflower What if I told you some people weren't badge snobs? Some people judge a car based on its own qualities, not its name. The Mazda holds ground here based on design, handling, reliability and real-world mpg.
Something else bothers me: you hate cars that you think are laptops, with high-tech screens and automatic gearboxes, uncommunicative steering and a small turbo engine for fuel economy's sake. And yet, you defend the Audi A4 (digital cockpit, screens, almost always comes with some sort of DSG, every automotive journalist will agree it has synthetic steering, uses small TSI engine) against the Mazda 6 (much less screen integration, comes with a praised manual 'box, is considered one of the best-handling cars in its class, uses large NA engines on purpose).
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Firemarioflower My beautiful and amazing mistress I don't think either of you have seen a Giulia in person. Its design bears some similarity to other cars (everything in this class does), but it's properly Alfa-like in that it grows on you, becomes prettier every time you see it. That's what makes an Alfa design. They're rarely perfect, but always gorgeous.
Also, in terms of tech, it definitely has an edge over the competition. Even in plebian spec, it has a perfect weight distribution and all the carbon bits that the Quadrifoglio also has. Whereas a car like the M3 was originally designed to be a traffic jam-dwelling diesel saloon, and then filled with steroids, a rocket for an engine and rock-hard suspension, the Giulia was designed as a Quadrifoglio from the start. The normal versions are based on the high-performance model, not the other way round. This sets it apart from the competition tremendously.
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Firemarioflower What about the divisive SZ? The 8C, which looks awkward from some angles and drop-dead gorgeous from others? The 4C, which balances between beautiful and too short. Most Alfas have design quirks and imperfections. Also, pictures don't do Alfas justice, generally. That goes for the Giulia as well.
But, above all, Alfas should make you fall hopelessly in love with them. And, in that light, I can comfortably say that I've never obsessed over a new car as much as the Giulia. I've never seen one in the wild, besides a faint glimpse of one passing by in Belgium, and it's the only car I actively look out for. I would buy it over its competitors in a heartbeat, and never look back. That's what Alfas do, they're a drug you keep coming back to.
True, but the carbon fibre is in the underpinnings. Any carbon fibre body parts, such as the bonnet, have been painted and look pretty much normal. No carbon wings or anything are applied on the normal Giulia.
Metaphorically speaking, for crying out loud. BMW's current line-up consists of potentially (and usually) very dull company cars designed to be just that: accountant's cars and family saloons. In other words, mostly diesels that spend their lives in traffic jams. The base models (316 to 330) came first. The car may have above average handling for its class, but it still drives like a four-door saloon, because that's its DNA.
The Giulia, however, is a sports car in disguise. In terms of being a driver's car, its engineering is unparalleled in its class, and rivals purpose-built sports cars that are marketed as such. The Quadrifoglio came first, and that performance-minded approach lies deep in the Giulia's DNA, even in the 2.2 diesel. This means it's also well-engineered to the point where it doesn't need a suspension as firm as that of the 3-Series.
Again, the M3 modifications are of course more complicated. What I said was a stylised description of reality: taking an ordinary car and making it sports car fast, instead of taking a sports car and making it an affordable everyday commuter.
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Firemarioflower I can relate, to some extent, to your nostalgia. While I'm not as pessimistic on the new cars coming out as you are, there's generally something missing. Something that only a few regular cars can maintain. The Giulia is one of those cars. I also maintain that the new Mazda MX-5 has been able to keep its roadster purity, while still managing to move with the times in terms of luxury.
The 500 derivatives are ghastly. However, I doubt FCA is going to kill off Alfa Romeo. There's too much to be earned in the premium market. Now that BMW is focusing more and more on luxury rather than driving panache, Alfa is there to fill the gap left behind. Alfa tried many times to revive the brand: the 156, the Brera, the Giulietta: all of them promised a new horizon and all of them were half-baked and unsuccessful. The Giulia is different, it has the ability to make it and it will make it, I'm confident of that.
It's hardly a fake Alfa, genuinely. The old Giulia saloon was also a relatively interchangeable, but somehow uniquely pretty design. It too was a RWD sports saloon with driving innovations far beyond its class. It's a real Alfa, the signs are everywhere.
Like the M3, the Giulia Quadrifoglio is also a no-compromise car, only more powerful, faster and more advanced where it matters (i.e. no WiFi and less huggable dashboards, but also perfect weight distribution and a purpose-built chassis that makes it both more agile and more comfortable). It's definitely not too expensive either, since it matches or undercuts the 3-Series for base price. And that is before you bend over to the options list.
And 'the original'? I see both Alfa and BMW as pioneers of the sports saloon, with the old Giulia (1962) and the 02-Series (1966) respectively. The difference is that Alfa took a nose-dive due to platform-sharing and mismanagement within the Fiat Group, whereas BMW kept going as normal. However, Alfa is back now.
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