Comments by "Wei Fan" (@weifan9533) on "Get.factual" channel.

There're only some Tibeto-Burman tribes that are similar to those of NE India, others like the Tai-Kradai, Hmong-Mien, and Austroasiatic tribes are similar to those found in Southern China and SE Asia.
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@sklu309 Nope the Dai language and culture are more similar to Thai and Laotian, whereas your culture and language are more similar to Tibetan and Burmese. The Dai language is part of the Tai-Kradai family, whereas the Meiteis language is part of the Sino-Tibetan family.
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@wakhansharma8225 You guys are Tibeto-Burmans originating from Tibet and Sichuan so stop claiming the heritage of other southern peoples like Austroasiatic, Tai-Kradai, and Hmong-Mien.
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@Hanshu2270 The greatest diversity of Austroasiatic languages is found on the SE Asian peninsula and not in NE India. And the greatest diversity of Tai-Kradai languages is found in Southern China. You need to stop claiming that NE India is the origin of everything. You guys are pred Tibeto-Burman genetically speaking, mixed with some South Asian.
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@tingtingnoy3133 You Northeast Indians need to stop claiming Tai Lue and other Tai-Kradai cultures. Tai-Kradai peoples originated from Southern China, and the greatest diversity of this language family is still found in Southern China.
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@Hanshu2270 Do you understand English? When did I suggest that Austroasiatic or Tai-Kradai ought to correspond to any modern nation state? However the fact remains that Austroasiatic and Tai-Kradai did not originate from NE India and that NE India is predominantly Tibeto-Burman.
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@Hanshu2270 Munda is only one branch of Austroasiatic, whereas SE Asia has several branches. It goes without saying that SE Asia was much more likely to be the place where the Austroasiatic speakers originated and diversified. Vietnamese and Khmer aren't the only Austroasiatic languages spoken in SE Asia, there're other less known ones such as Bahnaric, Katuic, Monic, Pearic etc. And there's even one branch in Southern China called Pakanic.
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@tingtingnoy3133 Yes but Dai or Tai Lue language is definitely different from Meiteis. They're speaking Chinese for the ease of understanding, if they speak Tai Lue then only them and those from Laos and northern Thailand can understand. Stop calling everything related to China as propaganda, that's not nice. China did a lot to preserve the ethnic minority cultures.
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@tingtingnoy3133 I have some Tai Lue friends and acquaintances from Sipsong Panna in China and they have no problem at all speaking their native language.
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@tingtingnoy3133 I'm not sure why you're so concerned with names. Like I said no matter what names they were being called in the past or in the present, the fact remains that they are the native inhabitants of Southern China and had lived there for thousands of years. And Lao people also speak a Tai-Kradai language that is closely related to Dai or Tai Lue.
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@Hanshu2270 I have a different opinion. 南蠻 most likely referred to the ancestors of Hmong-Mien peoples since 蠻 (Man) and Hmong have a similar pronunciation. Tibeto-Burmans were likely the descendants of 西南夷 or Southwest Yi.
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@Hanshu2270 Tai-Kradai people came from Southern China. The greatest diversity of this language family is found in Southern China. They were the descendants of 百越.
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@Hanshu2270 Austroasiatic peoples most likely originated from SE Asia in the Mekong river valley and Tai-Kradai peoples originated from Southern China. Neither of them came from Northeast India.
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@Hanshu2270 The most accepted hypothesis is that Austroasiatic peoples originated from SE Asia (either the Mekong River Valley or the Red River Valley) whereas Tai-Kradai people originated from Southern China. Neither of them came from NE India.
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@Hanshu2270 If you don't think that Tai-Kradai and Austroasiatic are from NE India then there's no point of arguing with me.
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@Hanshu2270 And Tai-Kradai peoples aren't just found in Yunnan, they're also found in Guangxi, Guizhou, and Hainan.
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@Hanshu2270 You guys are mostly Tibeto-Burmans. Face the truth. Tai-Kradai and Austroasiatic are migrants from Southern China and SE Asia, respectively.
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@Hanshu2270 Austroasiatic people came from Northern Vietnam and according to genetics they're closely associated with the Neolithic peoples of Vietnam.
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@Hanshu2270 If you don't believe that Austroasiatic and Tai-Kradai originated from NE India, then we don't really have disagreements, so what's the point of arguing with me? Again, having a similar culture does not make NE India the origin of such cultures, since culture and language can spread far and wide.
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@Hanshu2270 LOL at first you accused me of bringing modern concepts of nationhood into our discussion, but now you're doing it yourself.
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@o0...957 Instead of accusing me, why don't you look into the mirror? NE India isn't the center of the universe.
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@o0...957 Tai-Kradai peoples exist in South China and SE Asia too, and Austroasiatic peoples exist in those regions as well, so what's ur point?
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@o0...957 Sorry I don't understand your gibberish.
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@o0...957 You'd better learn English yourself
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@o0...957 Blah blah blah, your ugly language sounds like total gibberish to me
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@o0...957 Dude you need to learn English!
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@tingtingnoy3133 These terms may have been coined in the 20th century, but the people and language that these terms refer to have existed in Southern China for much longer. According to Blench (2018), proto-Daic people likely originated from the Pearl River Delta region in Southern China some 4,000 years ago.
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@tingtingnoy3133 Whatever name they are being referred to, the fact remains that Tai-Kradai peoples had originated from Southern China and had lived there for thousands of years. And many of them continue to live there.
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@tingtingnoy3133 If you also agree that Tai-Kradai speaking peoples are the native inhabitants of Southern China then there's nothing we need to argue about.
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@tingtingnoy3133 And does it really matter what the ancient Sinitic people called them? The ancient Sinitic people originated from Northern China and they invaded and occupied Southern China around 2,000 years ago, which was the main reason why some Tai-Kradai people had fled from their native Southern China homeland and migrated to SE Asia. Please do not spread sino-centrism here.
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@tingtingnoy3133 Those names were what the Sinitic people called them and not necessarily what they called themselves. Do you even understand what's the difference between exonym and endonym?
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@tingtingnoy3133 Well they indeed originated and lived in Southern China according to historical records as well as linguistic and genetic studies. And many of them continue to live there. To say otherwise is tantamount to lying.
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@tingtingnoy3133 Who are you to judge whether they have history or not? You're not even one of them, you're just a random Northeast Indian.
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@tingtingnoy3133 LOL I see, you're not NE Indian but a Lao nationalist. The names recorded in ancient Sinitic manuscripts were exonyms since we're not sure if the people they referred to used the same names to call themselves. AFAIK, the name Ailao derived from a place name, the Ailao mountains, and whether or not the people living there also called themselves Ailao we have no way to know for sure. There was also a certain Liao (僚) tribe living in Southern and Southwestern China mentioned in Sinitic records, and scholars have made several proposals of where this name came from however there's no consensus at the moment. One proposal mentions that the word Liao likely derived from the word for person or people (Klau or Gelao) in certain Kra languages such as Gelao. Another proposal mentions that it could be derived from the first person plural pronoun Rao or Raeuz in Tai languages. Really at the moment we're not sure which one is correct, so don't be so quick to jump into the conclusion that these people necessarily called themselves Lao.
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@tingtingnoy3133 And even if those people did call themselves by the name Lao or something similar, that doesn't mean they were Laotians since the country of Laos was founded much later.
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@tingtingnoy3133 I think it's up to them to decide what name they want to call themselves, whether or not they called themselves Lao or Liao in the past is up to debate, but one thing is certain, they now call themselves as Tai Lue, and are referred to by the Chinese as Dai.
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@tingtingnoy3133 The country of Laos was founded much later, hence the people who were mentioned in ancient Sinitic manuscripts cannot be called Laotian.
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@tingtingnoy3133 They have their own right to decide what names to call themselves and you Laotians have no right to decide for them. If they want to call themselves Tai or Tai Lue then just let them be, you're not the one to judge.
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