Comments by "Flook D" (@flookd5516) on "Professor Dave Explains" channel.

  1. 8”/mile^2 obviously.
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  2. I’m guessing you’re thinking of Mad Mike, who believed he could build a steam-powered rocket that could take him up to the Karman line. He raised money from FEers by telling thdm he would be able to prove the Earth was flat. The ascent of the best rocket took him to about 10,000ft (not bad though nowhere near space) but the descent parachute failed; he died on impact. The joke has been cracked that a FEer proved gravity exists.
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  3.  @metadragon7500  Yes, it's that simple. Shipping sperm around is cheaper than shipping horses around for specific breeding programmes.
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  4.  @huismus111  I could joke about NY air pollution obscuring them; I couldn’t see the Chrysler building from the Twin Towers.
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  5. “Render distance” You think Earth is a computer simulation?
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  6.  @MrQuaiven  It’s obvious how 😊
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  7. Why would the Bible be the only source of information? Why is observing the sun rising & setting irrelevant?
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  8. How much of the Earth you can see depends on how high you are; the higher you are the further you can see and hence the greater the area you can see. There's no problem with proportionality on the globe; it's the FE'er inability to understand scale & distance.
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  9.  @pastoryoda294  There’s a frequently repeated comment that if the Earth was flat then cats would have pushed everything off by now.
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  10. If you didn’t see any armed penguins then you were in Area 51.
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  11. You realise that all they need to do for starters is produce testable hypotheses? That just requires thought, not a budget. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe 2500 years ago from observation of the sun, moon & stars; we’re still waiting for FE’ers to produce a hypothetical model that would explain the observable phenomena or even an explanation how they think NASA influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  12. I doubt you can answer any questions intelligently; most if you have to have the questions explained to you.
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  13. First produce evidence that it exists.
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  14. The tangential velocity at the equator would be 25000/24 mile per hour. The rotational velocity is one revolution per day which sounds far less dramatic thus the 1000mph gets quoted by the FE gurus even though nothing rotates in a straight line and the tangential velocity varies with latitude.
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  15.  @daviddolezal7950  There’s no such things as negative pressure (a vacuum is zero pressure). That you don’t know how a planet can have atmosphere is ignorance on your part, not fantastic insight. Parroting what you heard from some ignoramus is not spreading wisdom; it’s parroting ignorance.
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  16. Evidence?
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  17.  @harrypatton8269  There are currently no direct flights between the southern continents because of Covid limiting flight everywhere. Look ahead to next March.
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  18.  @harrypatton8269  Sea-level refers to elevation, not curvature.
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  19. Evidence?
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  20. Possibly claim that the secret NASA programming embedded in the internet has manipulated the pictures en route. 😊
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  21. Another idiot who can’t understand how masks & vaccines work….
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  22. Only where cats were involved. 😊
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  23. Which is how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere.
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  24. The first is a lunar eclipse; the Earth’s shadow passes across the moon.
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  25. And hence used to describe a force that gives weight to objects.
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  26. Rats don’t continually spout gibberish.
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  27. Neither is your comment if you can’t say why.
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  28. Watch the video.
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  29. The motion is similar but not identical; the direction of rotation is in the opposite direction. It’s an ambiguous description.
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  30. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive observation and experimentation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. What do you think the valid FE ideas are?
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  31.  @boterlettersukkel  Why waste the energy kicking them out - let them open the airlock on their own while trying to prove there's a studio outside.
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  32. Under gooseberry bushes. With the decline in home births it has become apparent they aren't brought in the doctors' black bags.
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  33. You realise that planes require fuel and have both a maximum range & speed?
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  34. Which of the challenges are you going to try and meet?
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  35. No, they don’t. Azimuthal projections do get used in aviation but for limited distances and from particular locales, not the North Pole.
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  36. @Captain Charisma A laser gyroscope demonstrates rotation; Globebusters were kind enough to demonstrate while trying to prove it didn't. Stellar parallax indicates that the Earth is in an orbit; the orbital time and the dimensions of the orbit are what determine the speed. "NASA admitted they're composite" One particular photo composed from shots taken from LEO. FE'ers naturally conclude that every picture ever ever ever taken just gotta be a composite, including shots taken in a single frame on an analogue camera.
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  37. Numbers seem to be an anathema to FEers; they make claims of knowing the Real Physics but assiduously avoid involving numbers.
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  38. You think those are the pertinent questions in ascertaining the shape of the Earth?
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  39. A globe has a consistent scale. Projections of the globe onto a flat surface creates distortion and an inconsistent scale. A flat map of a flat surface would have no such distortion and thus a consistent scale.
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  40. Asking how we know it is a globe is a reasonable question. Denying the observable reality of nature is not.
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  41. How did the astronaut/camera come to be on the outside of the impenetrable dome?
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  42. Try actually rebutting each instead of saying “Nah!”
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  43. Over the horizon, disappearing from the bottom up.
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  44. It reflects the depths of their thought processes.
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  45. Pythagoras was one of the people who deduced the Earth was a sphere around 500BC. It was Eratosthenes who measured the circumference about 300BC. You can demonstrate the Earth’s surface is curved with three or more sticks.
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  46. Example?
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  47.  @yumm186  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, all of which you can verify for yourself.
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  48. It’s the exact alignment of sun, earth & moon casting the Earth’s shadow on the moon.
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  49. Lies such as what? We’re talking about a few atoms/molecules per cubic metre and a body with insufficient gravitational force to counter the kinetic energy those atoms/molecules have.
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  50. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude & season, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having circular shadows. All verifiable by anybody & everybody.
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  51. The globe is the true map; you’re getting confused with the 2D projections of the globe. Why would the Ascent Modules require a lifting platform? Why would they require a platform to land on? What would stop them landing on the ground?
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  52.  @boterlettersukkel  Bags on the commando penguin with parachute and blackened white spots.
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  53. Evidence?
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  54. The people who have leapt down the rabbit hole are not going to listen; those merely looking down it and wondering if there is something sensible down there are more amenable to reason.
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  55.  @petertovin1274 ​​⁠​​⁠”government funded money” No, grants are not bids for government contracts to arrive at desired conclusions. If you wish to criticise the funding of science then first take the trouble to find out the funding mechanisms. FE research is inept: poorly designed, ignoring key factors, employing the wrong maths and carefully ignoring what would disprove their claims. And, yes, we have gone through it over and over and over and over ad infinitum. FE’ers have repeatedly been told that the FE can be disproved by looking up and tracking sun, moon & stars. It has been explained to them why it would contradict a FE but that doesn’t faze them. Demonstrating the Earth to be a globe specifically takes more effort but is not difficult if you are willing to either travel or collaborate with others; they aren’t interested. None can provide a plausible explanation for a totally pointless conspiracy flawlessly run by millions of people for 2500 years but they readily believe it. What evidence would you accept?
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  56. Check the previous video, 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say. It might be more appropriate for your colleague.
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  57. The globe map is a sphere; globe projections are flat.
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  58.  @danielsmith8107  How many times a day would you say the Earth rotates at 1000mph?
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  59. Oblation is about 20 miles off a 7,800 diameter; it’s not a difference that leaps out at you.
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  60. Down is towards the centre of Earth’s mass, ie, towards the centre of the globe, not towards a horizontal plane “below” the south pole.
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  61. Gravity is neither irresistible nor the only force.
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  62. He debunked it earlier videos; the point of this one is to get FE’ers to produce the answers they all claim to possess. Zero takers so far.
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  63. So far nobody has put forward any evidence that they do fake their videos, just make uninformed judgements about what they are looking at.
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  64. Be specific.
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  65. Why would being prepared to think mean you would have to arrive at a different conclusion to everyone else?
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  66. The path is an arc when the globe is projected onto a 2D surface; it is straight A to B on a 3d globe. A to B on c a FE map is beyond a plane’s operational range & speed. You need to explain how that flight works on a FE.
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  67. Watch the earliest in his series. By this point he’s had countless replies from FE’ers who can’t understand the simplest points but who aggressively assert they’re better informed than everybody else.
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  68. They have problems grasping 3.
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  69. MotesYT Predicts how?
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  70. MotesYT So your argument is that less than perfect knowledge of the sun means we should summarily dump everything we go and accept conjecture as gospel truth but that’s just gotta be right?
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  71. So you can’t actually answer him and you have no concept of what a distant moon would look like to multiple observers. Why should I consider your reply as intelligent?
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  72. What FE arguments do you find convincing? Take the trouble to give a few.
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  73. The Suez Canal is level, not flat, it remains at the same elevation about the globe's surface from beginning to end. "there is a treaty of 197 countries " You're confusing the UN with the Antarctic Treaty; that has 52 signatories and contains no clause forbidding travel below the 66th parallel. If you wish to disagree then step up the plate and be the first FE'er to say which clause. There are plane flights to the south pole; how far south of 66 degrees do you wish to go? Vacuum's don't have force; there is nothing in a vacuum to generate force. The kinetic forces in gases means they would tend to expand; the expansion is countered by gravity, resulting in decreasing pressure with increasing altitude. Be the first to explain how you would get that phenomenon inside a dome with no gravity.
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  74. "I don’t care as much to explain to y’all on here" Something which seems to be true of all FE'ers. How the heck do you expect to convince people you have a working model if none of you are prepared to produce it?
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  75. Exasperation from dealing with people who strongly profess to have the understanding & answers but have neither. In a year the people who still profess to have the answers haven’t answered these challenges.
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  76. “a plane would never reach his destination” Unless of course the atmosphere was moving with Earth, as could be caused by billions of years of friction.
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  77. If he would only just listen to 2+2=5 then he would see the light?
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  78. Evidence?
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  79. So many people claim to be able to do that but none have yet produced the evidence.
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  80. Still waiting on FE’ers to produce credible evidence to back their claims rather than ignorance & incredulity.
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  81. Because misinformation helps nobody and causes harm.
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  82.  @titan9259 Science proves it how?
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  83. Why would any flight need you cross Antarctica when it doesn’t lie on the shortest direct routes between the southern continents?
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  84. Be novel and explain the flight.
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  85. Why waste time trying to zoom in on something that we know is completely blocked from view? The sun retains a constant angular velocity and angular diameter through the course of the day, disappearing below a horizon that arises from the measurable curvature found around the planet. FEers insist the sun never sets and changes angular velocity & diameter despite daily observation to the contrary; the onus is on them to demonstrate they can zoom it back.
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  86.  @anonimoactornauta7858  Do you want to explain how the flight is possible?
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  87. Why do the folks on the ships never notice waves towering over them?
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  88. Yet again? Why? When are FE'ers going to explain flights further south?
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  89. How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself?
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  90.  @ekiskaliburnirvana9047  Still waiting for these videos with visible wires rather than an arrow pointing at nothing.
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  91. Isaiah 33:22 Every fossil is transitional; you’re expecting to see chimeras which wouldn’t occur in evolution. The variations in carbon dating are reflected in tree rings. That you don’t know if any radiometric dating other than carbon-14 does not mean the other forty pairs don’t exist.
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  92. Divide 360 by 25,000.
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  93.  @pieterb3449 What does that have to do with religion? What religions teaches that belief rewrites reality?
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  94. Try the first one he made which is educational about how we know the Earth isn’t flat. By this point he’s faced a deluge of insults & canards from Thinkers who can’t see their basic reasoning errors or grasp the notion of a model predicting what you should see. Zero challenges have been met by the people who you feel are “thinking differently” with the first challenge claimed impossible because they believe mapping a 2D surface onto a 2D surface woukd produce distortion for reasons they are unable to explain.
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  95. Down being towards the centre of the globe. What direction do you envisage and why?
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  96. Gravitational attraction is towards the centre of the Earth. Gravity keeps liquid in the bottom of an upright container and keeps water attached to the Earth’s surface. Still waiting in FE’ers to explain what they think would pull water off a globe Earth. The Earth’s circumference is 25,000 miles; a contain 59 miles across would have 1 degree of curvature across the water’s surface. How much would you expect to see and why?
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  97.  @lucettebourdon9141  Laser beams are subject to levelling error , beam dispersion and atmospheric refraction. They’re not going to work the magic you think simply because you want the above ignored.
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  98. What do you understand by “open-minded”?
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  99. You mean like the way railway tracks diverge as they approach you?
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  100. We’re talking about the unpersuadables.
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  101.  @skye_onair509 Density us not a force just the ratio of mass to volume. Since gravity is the attraction of masses and density is the amount of mass in a volume, the gravitational pull is greater on denser objects. Since air has a greater density than the helium, the gravitational pull on it is greater thsn the balloon; the air moves down preferentially, displacing the balloon upwards.
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  102.  @skye_onair509  The greater the mass then the greater the force required to reach a set rate of acceleration. Gravitational attraction is proportional to mass; the greater the mass, the greater the force. Since both attraction and force are directly proportional to the mass of the object, all objects exhibit the same acceleration.
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  103.  @ministermartynas7569  I asked you questions about what you claim to have figured out; why don't you answer them if you have the answers? "thousands of years prove Biblical authority" Thousands of years of confirmation bias and selective interpretation but no proof.
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  104. Clocks & calendars are based (originally) on the sun & moon, not vice versa. The moon is also observable during the day and causes solar eclipses. Tides, not waves.
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  105. Same as railway lines meeting up.
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  106.  @netrox81 ​​⁠You can produce a 3000 year old map that is navigable?
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  107. Science, not “science”, and the Earth has been mapped, measured & photographed repeatedly.
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  108. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation of a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. It is to a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. Do you understand that stars emit light?
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  109.  @daviddolezal7950  “you cant have presurized atmosfere without container” Which is why I am asking you where you think there is atmosphere next to vacuum on the globe model. If you didn’t think there wasn’t then you wouldn’t be making the statement so where do you think it is?
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  110. Science is continually developing; history is a record of past events. They’re not equivalent. What do you think we do in labs?
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  111. Why would you expect to sense one revolution per day? How dizzy do you think you should feel?
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  112. No, they failed to find evidence of luminiferous aether.
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  113. Produce evidence this dome exists. Explain why the sun & moon follow different paths to what we observe. Explain how you think a sundial works.
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  114. Put on some soft gloves before you start or the face palming will give you a black eye.
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  115. I see the sun rise & set….
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  116. @Harry Woods One revolution per day is nit going to generate much electricity. Rivers flow from high elevation to low elevation, not north to south. There is no top or bottom to a sphere when down is simply towards the centre of the sphere; north is put at the “top” out of convention.
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  117.  @jdog2901 How did NASA fool the ancient Greeks?
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  118.  @MrQuintijn ​​⁠ You realise that people can look up and see the stars? That they can be photographed? A 2D map of a 2D would have one consistent scale. A projection of a 3D surface on a 2D inevitably has distortions. You’re complaining that maps are distorted. Irrelevant.
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  119. They routinely seem to visualise in the range of a 25 mile circumference. One actually quoted what he expected to see on a globe that would require a 3.4 mile circumference; he didn’t think it differed significantly from 25,000 miles.
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  120. It alleviates symptoms, not cures. The prescriptions are for cannabinoids, not cannabis. The palliative, non-addictive compounds were identified and they are prescribed.
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  121. Observation & reasoning alone is natural philosophy rather than science.
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  122. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for the Cavendish experiment.
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  123. The Bible makes no specific statement on the subject. Ancient Hebrew used a common word for circle & sphere with the distinction being in the context; in this case the context is the world. How you translate that is up to the translation team. The Bible does state bats are birds but that does not alter the fact that they are mammals. It just indicates the writers’ limited understanding of the world around them.
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  124. One week with 130+ comments and Espin Aslpar deletes the thread?
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  125. So no explanation what FEers really mean by “hiding God”?
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  126. Let’s start with the video then go from there.
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  127. Please explain how everybody sees the sane face & phase of the moon on a FE?
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  128. Rivers from high elevation to low elevation, not north to south.
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  129. Lies such as what?
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  130. Look at the route in a 3D globe, not on a 2D map of the globe.
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  131. There’s no point in asking questions if you’re simply going to deny the answers and these people start with denial.
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  132. How do you think different areas on one solid object could move at different rpm?
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  133.  @lucettebourdon9141  Thinking logically has the immediate perquisite of being willing to think. You haven’t even figured out how to calculate degrees curvature per distance.
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  134. Check the chronological order of the FE-related videos. He’s had a lot of abuse from people convinced they have the Real Answers but who can’t explain anything, can’t understand the simplest explanations, think observable reality is wrong and think everything’s a conspiracy. Your patience would be stretched.
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  135. In relativity gravity is an apparent force, like centrifugal force is. It doesn’t mean gravity doesn’t exist.
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  136. Some are trolls, some are not - don't assume everybody falls into one category.
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  137. Which government? None of them (or the UN) forbid travel to Antarctica. There is a booming tourist trade with trips to various places, all which enable confirmation of a 24hr sun by FE’ers swear is impossible. Why don’t any FE’ers go?
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  138.  @ministermartynas7569  Principles are not facts. You said the modules wouldn’t work; I’m again asking for your reasoning. Still waiting on someone to publish evidence of cables; to date they’re arrows pointing into thin air and “just gotta be” claims.
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  139.  @ffrai3094 Assertion rather than argument; they never go into details about how it coukd work and certainly never explain how The Government was achieving it before The Government existed.
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  140.  @2dark4noir  You find such distortion on a map that is a global projection; the 3D globe map itself has an accurate scale.
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  141. What do you think he got wrong and why?
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  142. The attitude is due to the response of FE'ers in earlier videos, i.e., a lot of abuse, a lot of claims of knowledge but zero feasible explanations.
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  143. It’s funny how FE’ers keep repeating the 10 Things.
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  144. Why is the flight distance being beyond the plane's capability on a FE not a good point?
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  145. A balance between the gravitational attraction and the planets’ differing tangential velocities.
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  146.  @christopherschmidlin2394  He has a video posing 10 challenges for FE'ers; why can none of you meet any of them? Do you want to try?
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  147. He made a video in his astronomy section that explained how we know the Earth is a globe; he had of deluge of FE’ers and got sick of answering the same questions over and over.
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  148. Whether it is a force or an apparent force is immaterial to the FE claim; gravity exists.
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  149. Which country did Sputnik come from?
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  150. Elevation =/= curvature.
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  151.  @sullainvictus Interrupting with sound reason.
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  152.  @urkingsking Eratosthenes “assumption” was based on the deductions made 200 years earlier from the motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude & season, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular cross-section. 2500 years on we are still waiting for FE’ers to explain. Eratosthenes experiment can and is repeated with three or more locations (yes, there are numbers bigger than two) if you wish to distinguish between flat and globe. Refute and ignore are not synonymous.
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  153. He’s one of the FE gurus, supposedly possessing the evidence, knowledge & understanding to categorically prove without doubt that the Earth is flat. The purpose of the video was to demonstrate to his acolytes that he didn’t.
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  154. I would say that you fail to comprehend the sheer amount of information & evidence available and lack the understanding & expertise required to perform such experiments. The chances of an amateur finding something that many professionals have all failed to notice plus that something requiring the rewriting of our understanding of the subject is remote to sat the least. Conversely an amateur looking for alternative theories being selective in their observation & interpretation to support their claim is routine (confirmation bias). There does seem to be a fallacy that discoveries are made by one or a few people and everybody else accepts that unquestioningly, which I suspect arises from school textbooks noting who gets the credit for being first. In actuality everything is checked and rechecked by countless people and verified by multiple means before it is accepted while finding an inherent error with something that has been accepted is seen as advancement, not heresy. 1. Knowledge increases with time, it's not static. There will be good reason for drawing particular conclusions but since knowledge continues to increases new information may become available that questions or changes those conclusions. Faster than light travel seems impossible but it doesn't preclude a future Zephraim Cochrane managing to devise a warp drive. There have been and still are multiple means for measuring distances; accuracy improves with time but the stars are still going to be light years away and +/- 1% error is not going to put them inside the solar system. Since the moon is close the distance is easier to measure, essentially using radar, and the change in the distance of its orbit over time is measurable. Do note that a claim of "I can see it therefore it must be close" is not a valid argument since it ignores the size of the observed object. 2. Trackable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable material left there and verifiable material brought back. The latter had to be selected by hand to be worthwhile, not picked up at random by a robot that wouldn't exist for decades. Gut feelings are not evidence. The best place to start is asking questions of people who are knowledgeable about the subject material. Do bear in mind that due to your lack of expertise (and sheer time) they will have to simply facts for you and that you not understanding something is not profound insight that it's all gobbledy-gook.
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  155.  @profitnotpoverty5479 Manned missions haven’t been back. There have been abundant unmanned missions to the moon since.
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  156.  @Altt Ignorance & incredulity coupled with the desire to feel special.
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  157. It’s expensive to send people and it’s more economical to spend less money doing far more with unmanned probes. And, no, two men spending a few hours on the lunar surface is not long enough to build a permanent lunar base.
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  158.  @petroleumalley  Legititmate critcisms such as what?
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  159. Not a bad attempt but actual FEers usually deny that other celestial objects are just shapeless lights.
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  160. @Nature The Earth is substantially larger than a submarine and consequently as the gravity to hold the gas down.
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  161. Where do you think he is wrong and why?
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  162. What are you saying it has been replaced with?
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  163. Why the repeated assertion that we should be addressing the “concepts & facts” that none of you are willing to divulge for us to address?
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  164. Giving a flight number, flight time and the distance covered is not science.
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  165. Are you going to supply it since you have a copy?
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  166. What would cause this wind exactly?
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  167. You mean the Telectroscope. It's cameras, projectors & fibre-optics; no telescope involved.
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  168. Walther Jimenez He is smarter than most. People can believe what they wish but if they wish to claim their beliefs are the truth they need to be able demonstrate that. FE’ers spout the same inanities repeatedly; this video explains why they are inanities, not profound truths rewriting modern science.
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  169. You have no answer either then?
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  170. You don’t know it is wrong; as with any form of encyclopedia the accuracy isn’t flawless and from that you assume everything must be wrong. Two very different things.
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  171. And your explanation for this flight is….?
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  172.  @joshuataylor3523  The (usual) FE model is that the Earth is stationary (because they don't feel dizzy), the "firmament" is a dome that is/isn't over the Earth (no agreement which) which does/doesn't rotate (no agreement which) while the moon travels in a horizontal circle roughly above the equator at an altitude of 100 to 6000 miles (no agreed figure, just that it's measured & constant), either diametrically opposed to the FE sun (which means it would be visible only at FE night) or independent of the FE sun (collisions never occurring for unspecified reasons). In that scenario(s) we would see differing faces & phases according to location rather than one face & phase worldwide. The only way to get a single face would be to have the moon so for away it couldn't appear to rise & set and too far away to be seen at all by their claims of how far your eyes can see. You still wouldn't get the same phase. If it orbited a FE (above & below) then everybody could potentially see the same face but not phase and would have the same rising & setting time worldwide (obviously not true). "In my head I can see how it would work" So all FE'ers say, usually declaring how obvious it is, but we are still waiting on any of them to divulge this model instead of repeating the same old, same old.
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  173. There is no debate; the matter was settled 2500 years ago and today we have an accurate world map (globe) and cameras in orbit. Unfortunately we also have willful ignorance & incredulity and conmen happy to take advantage of it.
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  174.  @jwhoward3611  The aim is more to demonstrate how dumb they are to anybody who is wondering if there is anything in what they claim. This started when Prof Dave made a normal educational video about how we know the Earth is a globe; he suffered a deluge of abusive comments with canards to back their claims and Globebusters made a video with no substance to it. We’re tallking about people who aren’t fazed that their inability to answer simple questions contradicts their belief that they possess all the answers.
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  175. He was polite in his earlier videos and received a lot of vitriol from FE’ers who can’t explain their reasoning or meet basic challenges. This & later videos point out the simple things they are wilfully too dumb to notice.
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  176. Isaiah 33:22 It’s about 1 sec delay to the moon which would not be obvious in ordinary conversation.
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  177. The diehards have chained themselves to the cave wall (and, ironically, some of them claim to be the people outside the cave) but many ate just standing and looking. The latter people are open to demonstration that they are gawping at shadows. If we don’t then ultimately the bulk of the populace will be living in Platonic caves.
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  178. Start with his original video in ghe astronomy section. He’s scathing because he’s had a lot of insults & venom thrown at him but no explanations for gge simplest questions from the people who profess to have the Real Answers.
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  179. What’s the delay?
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  180. If you wish to win then you need to tackle Prof Dave’s subsequent videos.
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  181. He’s referring to the people who continually profess to have incredible insight and profound understanding on how the Earth works and claim to be able to meet these challenges but who can’t grasp basic sciences. Running total for FE’ers on these challenges: 0.
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  182. What do you envisage to be pulling water off the globe Earth?
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  183.  @therealxnosis  I only asked you a question; no answer?
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  184. Darn - all those places that I haven't visited and I learn I can't go because I haven't been for them to exist in the first place...
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  185. Poor Eva.
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  186.  @michaelhawk3861  NY and London are both in the northern hemisphere; the video is about Perth to Santiago in the southern hemisphere, a far greater distance on a FE map but within range on a globe. Explain how you think it feasible on a FE.
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  187.  @skye_onair509  I realise the concept will be very difficult for you to grasp but there can actually bd more than one factor involved in by something’s motion. The air displaces the helium ballon upwards; it exceeds gravitational attraction, not replaces it. In the absence of all factors (no air, no rockets, nobody holding it) all objects fall with the same acceleration.
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  188. There's this thing called gravity that acts on the gas, countering the movement of the gas.
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  189. The light is reflecting off every surface in the room including the walls. Space is not filled with reflective surfaces.
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  190. A plane is self-propelled, a bullet is not. The plane is continuously correcting for weather conditions and air currents, changes which would dwarf the correction needed for the Coriolis effect. A sniper bullet is small and travels at ground level; the air conditions have less effect and the Coriolis effect predominates.
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  191. What make you think a nuclear reactor is a closed system?
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  192. Some people are quite sure they can easily meet the challenges but strangely all decline to demonstrate.
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  193.  @petertovin1274 ​​⁠”can you prove gravity” You can reproduce the Cavendish experiment for yourself. Weight is a result of gravity acting on mass while density is not a force and certainly doesn’t have direction. Still waiting on a valid FE’er explanation for how that could work. “Sideways” attraction between masses. Variation in gravity between altitudes.
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  194. One of you needs to produce evidence & explanations, not just keep repeating the same ignorant & incredulous claims. Do you want to try?
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  195. The ocean floors lack variation in elevation; they don’t lack curvature.
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  196.  @FergusThe11  He’s making the frequent mistake of assuming maps can only be flat.
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  197. The stars change with latitude & season and there are two celestial poles.
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  198.  @danielsmith8107  I'm glad one of you grasps that; too many want to know why photos aren't blurred. Rotation is measure in rpm or rad/sec, essentially the change in angle with time. The tangential velocity depends on the distance from the axis and this varies according to latitude; you can't describe the whole Earth has having the same tangential velocity. It does have a constant angular velocity. Centrifugal force at the equator (maximum tangential velocity) is about 0.3% of the gravitational force. Gravitational attraction is proportional to the mass of the object; a basketball does not have the same mass as any planet.
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  199. It originated with Samuel Rowbotham in 19th Century Britain, who went off an religious anti-science bender.
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  200. Do you understand that more than one factor can apply at any given time? That gravity is not an irresistible force?
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  201. Joe Green 1000mph is a linear speed not a rotational one. Nothing rotates in a straight line.
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  202. The deviation is tiny; it’s practically a perfect sphere.
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  203.  @christinafox7514 Either someone posing as a polit or a pilot being sarcastic or humurous. Since there are no FE maps nor a means to navigate on a FE it is extremely unlikely that the folks who have to navigate planes are FE’ers doing so.
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  204. @Markath47 He means that he learned more about science while finding out why FE'era are wrong.
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  205. The sun is 93 million miles away, very big and very bright. The moon is far far smaller but close enough to be readily seen when sunlight reflects off it. The planets are larger than the moon but much further away; they appear the same size as stars.
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  206.  @trishbrooks9133  "When you explain things calmly and without the need of mockery that’s intelligent" When you're explaining something for the third time with the knowledge they will promptly repeat the question as if you hadn;t answered how polite should I be and for how much longer?
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  207.  @steventripp4530  Down is towards the centre of the globe. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp.
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  208.  @jeremiehumphrey9311  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles - all verifiable by any body, all indicative of a globe and we are still waiting on FE’ers to produce their (workable) explanations.
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  209. Weiss doesn’t do anything to demonstrate his case despite being hailed as one of the FE gurus with all the evidence & explanations whereas Prof Dave has the evidence and answers all Weiss’s “unanswered questions”. Why shouldn’t Weiss be belittled?
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  210. There’s a boat race that circles Antarctica and that doesn’t satisfy FE’ers.
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  211. You meed to check his earlier videos on the subject starting with the original in his astronomy section. By this point he’s had a few years of abuse from FE’ers, none of whom can explain anything despite proclaiming their insight & understanding.
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  212.  @Dav96487 Depends on your rate of digging and how long you can sustain it.
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  213.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Enough. You’re willfully ignorant and wish to remain ignorant rather than question your religious convictions. Try to have the good grace to recognise your own ignorance.
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  214. Even on Earth the percentage is tiny; it is simply that about 70% of the surface area is covered by water. Earth is the only planet in the solar system with liquid water on the surface.
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  215.  @profitnotpoverty5479 How did you measure the distance to the FE sun? Explain how perspective would make it set below the horizon.
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  216. I doubt you did, I doubt you filmed and I doubt you would post it if you had.
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  217. You didn’t learn the properties of solids, liquids & gases? Whether gravity is a force or an apparent force is irrelevant to the question of whether gravity exists. It’s the FE’ers who can’t grasp how curvature is measured. Most seem unaware there are 360 degrees in a circle.
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  218. Did you miss the title of the video?
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  219. A sports drink in the US and it’s reference to theJonestown massacre where hundreds of people knowingly drank a poisoned drink because the cult leader told them to. Look up “drinking the kool-aid” or Jonestown massacre.
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  220. The zeros on the end of 25,000 have significance.
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  221. Some have claimed to be able to answer but declined to produce them, others insist they have answered elsewhere but decline to give any links or relay the answers. Some have said its impossible to map 2D surface to s 2D surface for unspecified reasons. Total answers: 0.
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  222. I hope that is a joke…
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  223. Those are indirect flights where you connect between a series of short hop flights as a seat-filler. Yiy need yo look up direct flights (zero stops).
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  224. Currently curtailed because of COVID; flights resume in December. Dave shows a screenshot from a flight check; he checked it when he made the video.
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  225. How many circumpolar navigations need to be done to satisfy you that one has been done?
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  226. You can see the sun rising & setting.
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  227.  @DarrenSaw ordering two items might be too complex for him…
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  228.  @dxdrifta  The sun & moon have an angular diameter of approximately 0.5 degrees; a 5 degree tilt on the moon’s orbit easily places slightly out of alignment with sun & earth during the full moon but not far enough for the difference to be readily apparent to the eye.
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  229. Average length of a satellite is about 6 feet, diameter of the Earth 7,800 miles (or a little over 400 million feet). Why do you think satellites should be clearly visible? There’s about 1000 satellites; the 12,000 figure is reference to debris more than inch in diameter.
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  230. Observations of the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude indicate the Earth is a globe and not flat. Still waiting on the people who’ve ripped the bandaid off to a actually explain anything.
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  231. Because the Earth is spherical not cylindrical.
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  232. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses, all if which you can verify for yourself.
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  233. Explain the sequence & reaction that would enable the sun crosses the sky at a constant angular velocity from everybody’s perspective. Explain how visible stars differ around the globe and there are two celestial poles.
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  234. And yet we are still waiting on FE'ers to demonstrate the "indoctrination" is wrong (as opposed to simply screwing up) and produce the evidence of a FE that you all supposedly possess. Do you want to try?
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  235. They’re no banned; the algorithms were altered to downgrade misinformation in searches. The folks measuring canals ignore the effect of elevation & refraction and those beaming lasers across lakes ignore beam divergence, refraction and leveling error. The mentality is that not bothering to confounding factors magically nullifies their effect.
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  236. What exactly did you expect to see of curvature for a 25,000 mile circumference? Your body is not sensitive to motion, just acceleration & rotation; you infer motion from your senses. You aren’t going to feel one rotation per day. Do none of you stop to consider your body’s capabilities or think about scale?
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  237. Flat Earth Dave is hailed as one of their experts, possessing the knowledge, understanding and evidence to conclusively prove that the Earth us flat.
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  238. Check the contents of his channel.
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  239. You’re making the mistake of viewing Earth’s curvature as a hill above a horizontal plane.
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  240. You haven’t actually said what it is that you think is wrong.
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  241.  @zsdavfan123 Difficult to tell and he is frequently accused of satanism or similar on the basis of that cover.
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  242. Still waiting on the what this "legit criticism" of the mRNA vaccine is.
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  243. This is the 7th in the series as I recall. FE’er keep insisting they have the answers to everything but just keep repeating what was debunked early in the series. They have bent over backwards to demonstrate how dumb they are while still insisting they have the answers.
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  244. Hea referring to people who profess how their profound cogitations on the subject have plumbed depths of profundity untouched than the most profound of profound thinkers but who still can’t see the problem even when you walk them through it.
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  245. Do you want to try correcting him?
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  246. You’re confusing a year and a day.
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  247. Did Prof Dave’s explanations pass you by?
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  248. Sam Jr. But there is more than one type of key and trying to figure out which is the real key will fuse their brains.
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  249. When he made this video he had had over a year’s flak from abusive FE’ers endlessly repeating the same handful of canards and incapable of explaining themselves or understanding basic science. Dealing with them is far more annoying that anything Dave says.
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  250.  @Yaywayable  Most FE'ers do seem quite abusive, either starting with or quickly falling back on disparagement regardless of the replies they receive.
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  251. A scientific theory, not the vernacular meaning. You were taught the difference in school.
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  252. When he first released this video FE’ers were attempting to refute it by repeating the points he had just debunked. That’s the level of thinking FE’ers are capable of.
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  253.  @huismus111  I was making a joke about the NYC pollution.
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  254. No. A stationary plane moves with the Earth; inertia means it retains that momentum when it takes off, the plane’s engines modifying the momentum slightly.
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  255.  @matt261102  Presumably the telescopes that they claim don’t show planets.
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  256. With a running total of 0 on the challenges being met I wouldn’t say his confidence is misplaced.
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  257. Why would the moon need to be within the atmosphere to have a gravitational effect? It’s an azimuthal projection showing member countries, not a FE map. You mean like Blue Marble and Earthrise?
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  258. Not that credible. Both aircraft & submarines are set to maintain a level course at a particular surface or water pressure. They will maintain that level regardless of whether the Earth is curved or flat.
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  259. The point was to demonstrate to FED’s acolytes that their guru can’t make a case.
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  260. For reasons they can never explain and determined by means they can never provide, FE'ers think there is a giant monopole at the north pole; some even insist that all magnets are monopolar and that the south end of the compass magnet is there for show.
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  261. Well...rotating once per day 😊
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  262. Scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  263.  @skye_onair509  That’s the reasoning step from which you made your statement. You did actually try reasoning before typing?
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  264. “arrive at that location” Why would a large object above a wide plain only be visible to a small area of the plain? Why an object visible12hrs a day not be visible to both of two people positioned 5hrs apart?
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  265.  @ministermartynas7569  Which still doesn't make them facts. "modules are venues that have intent of commercial advertisement, not of whole truth but rather experimental fund." Stop smoking weed.
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  266. Ryan Booth What are you saying it reflects off in space? Your eye detects only light that enters it; what is it in space that you think would redirect the light towards your eye?
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  267. FE doesn't have a horizon so the fact that they can see a horizon at all negates the claim. They are clueless to scale so they assume the globe is far smaller than in actuality (they seem to visualise it in the 25-250 mile circumference range) in which case there would be a noticeable drop in viewing angle with sufficient altitude. They believe eyeballing is the only form of measurement and can't handle the concept that you can have a measurable drop that isn't blatantly obvious to the eye. Thus they don't notice the drop when in an aircraft. There is no reason why the horizon would rise to eye-level on a FE; it's one of those claims made by FE gurus and unquestioningly accepted by the Thinkers. There would be no horizon on a FE. If, as they frequently claim, the eye had a maximum viewing distance then they would actually see less into the distance as altitude increased (difference between hypotenuse and opposite sides on a triangle, where the adjacent side represents the altitude) and their "horizon" would indeed appear to fall below eye level. It sounds like your nephew is a Thinker; a lot to say how much he has thought about the subject when in actuality the thinking is extremely superficial.
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  268. Attraction on a FE woukd be towards the central point with down thus being at an angle to the ground rather than perpendicular to it. Their main argument is that they can’t sense it though that criterion doesn’t stop them accepting that radio works.
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  269.  @chocobo7954 He’s quite aware. He used buoyancy rather than buoyant force because FE’ers would see only the word force and take it was acknowledging density & buoyancy are correct.
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  270. Then rebut what he says.
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  271. Explain how you think NASA was manipulating the ancient Greeks.
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  272. How do you think we could successfully navigate land & sea day in, day out without an accurate map to do so? Start by looking up “GPS co-ordinates” rather than “globe map”. The physical shape is WGS84 rather than a perfect sphere but for most intents & purposes there is negligible difference.
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  273. What about it?
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  274.  @dia2149  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow - all indicative of a globe, all incompatible with a FE and we are still waiting on your fabled explanations on how you think they would work on a FE. Meanwhile I asked you what convinces you that your are living on a FE and you aren't answering. Why not try it? If you feel it to be so conclusive then why the reluctance?
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  275. Produce the working FE map. So many of you claim to possess a copy so why can’t any of you produce one?
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  276.  @daviddolezal7950  If you don’t think that then you had better think it through since that is what you’re claiming.
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  277. His previous two videos were for that but FE’ers aren’t open to evidence & explanations. They just kept putting forward the same canards so this video laid into them.
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  278. Have you seen your brain?
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  279. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for how perspective could make anything disappears from the bottom up. Do you want to try?
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  280. Most people will; it doesn’t mean everybody will.
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  281. In what way do you think he failed to demonstrate the impossibility of seeing the same face of the moon across the FE?
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  282. No actual rebuttal then?
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  283. Google isn’t s state agency.
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  284. They have to explain why only a limited area of the Earth is lit at any given time if the Earth is flat with the sun permanently above it. A spotlight explanation fails to account why there is such a misshapen area lit or why the sun always appears as a circle regardless of viewing direction. Many go for the hybrid explanation of the sun being visible as a sphere (which would be shining in all directions) while only shining downwards (ignore the shape).
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  285. Same curvature as any sphere: 360 degrees around the circumference in any direction. How does this flight operate on a FE?
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  286. It's the fourth he's made on the subject. The previous ones were as polite as you would like; he received nothing but flak from FE'ers who claimed to have the answers but simply kept repeating the same claims that he debunked in the third. He's being sarcastic towards people who profess to be thinkers but can't manage the basic steps.
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  287.  @Joshuaballsack  I take it you don’t remember science classes where the meaning of scientific theory was explained to you. Clue: it’s not the vernacular meaning of theory. You don’t need to know the cause of anything to be aware something exists. People were being killed by lightning long before electricity was discovered.
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  288. Condensation of what exactly? What does terra-forming Mars have to with with demonstrating FE?
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  289.  @homelesszaya6711  Do you understand the difference between small and large? The deviation from a perfect sphere is too small to be obvious in a picture. Earth’s radius is 3,900 miles; oblation reduces it by 10 miles, not the 1000 miles you are envisaging.
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  290. You realise that asking questions leads to answers?
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  291. Especially when Mars is passing through Aries and there’s a conjunction in Sagittarius.
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  292. Infinite area would mean infinite mass and thus infinite gravity.
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  293.  @RB..1  "Nice that we don’t feel it." The body is sensitive to changes in velocity (acceleration, deceleration) but not velocity itself.
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  294. There's nothing in the vacuum to do the sucking. There are molecules in the higher pressure region that will push an object.
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  295.  @lAlwaysHopel Look down.
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  296.  @lAlwaysHopel  On the direct flight (this one) you see sea most of the way. On the indirect flights there is land a good amount of the time. The existence of indirect flights does not preclude the existence of direct flights.
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  297. Who is They?
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  298.  @jonathandickerson1552  "Why would NASA have pools with green screens in them?" They don't. They have training pools because you can't have a zero-gravity chamber on Earth and they have to settle for the next best thing. Being underwater the light is blue, other wavelengths being absorbed by the water. Still waiting on any explanation why the existence of training pools precludes anybody going to space. You seem to have difficulty comprehending that the atmosphere changes with altitude.
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  299. Thinking outside the box does have the prerequisite of thinking.
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  300.  @infinitedragonbellyx.x  His earlier videos caught the flies (see "10 Things All Flat Earthers Say"). The last four videos have made simple points aimed at the diehards who profess to have it all figured; by that point the customers had been trimmed down to just the sh*tty, stupid ones. So far no answers.
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  301.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Seriously? You didn’t do practicals back in school? You aren’t surrounded by appliances with electronics that depend on precise control of electromagnetism? How do you think they can be designed & built without an understanding of how they could work?
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  302.  @bamuz It doesn’t matter how documents you have when you fail to comprehend what the documents say. All you are doing is repeating conspiracy claims that rely on your ignorance. If specialisation is irrelevant then why are you taking a logistics degree?
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  303.  @bamuz  You stopped answering people; do you think we need to keep posting despite your silence?
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  304. Whether it is a force (Newton) or an apparent force (relativistic) is immaterial to the argument; it exists and FE'er deny that it does. Some are trolling, some are serious.
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  305.  @homelesszaya6711  Do you understand that more than one force can act simultaneously?
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  306. A form of mirage causing limited inversion just above the water. It isn't going to make a ship disappear. The person claiming it is just banking on people making a mental shortcut when presented with two things happening simultaneously.
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  307. The maths works fine. 8"/mile squared does not define curvature much less calculate how far you can see.
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  308. They insist compasses only point north rather than align with the magnetic field so they just follow the arrow. No explanation yet forthcoming how southerly courses would converge on a FE.
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  309.  @sissy-_-fnyc She was referring to his conduct as President, not legitimacy about the election.
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  310.  @petroleumalley Maybe that’s the problem 😊
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  311. The stars are very very distant and moving in the sane general direction as the sun. It takes 10,000’s of years for there to be a change on constellations that is readily perceptible to the eye. Measurable changes occur; professional star charts need updating regularly. The Earth’s rotational axis has a “wobble” with a 20,000 year period. Which star is on the axis not going to change overnight. Thuban used to be pole star before Polaris, which itself is gradually drifting.
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  312. How far you can see is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. FE’ers have a serious inability to comprehend more than one factor. That includes the inability to grasp that there can be more than one reason why you can’t see something, eg, your line of sight being physically blocked and something being too small to see. Byrd was explicit about he did & saw; the whole interview is available on YT, not just the selectively edited or misquoted ones. Now your turn: explain thus flight on a FE.
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  313. Have you considered dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles?
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  314. Look at a 3D globe itself, not a flat projection of a globe.
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  315. I've had one telling me that we have personal star tunnels.
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  316. The water encounters air resistance and thus slows down while you are maintaining a constant velocity by pedalling. You ride into the slower water.
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  317. Ideas that FE’ers keep repeating, endlessly repeating. I’m glad you can see the idiocy of the claims but they can’t.
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  318. How would a theological disagreement have any relevance to science?
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  319. No phones & computers either.
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  320.  @an.d.m.a  A few of us spent two weeks working through one FE’er’s claims explaining each point (frequently more than once) and pointing why his ideas wouldn’t work only for one of his final few posts to be a puzzled “you need to tell which of my points you think is wrong”.
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  321. Try citing these 31 studies.
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  322.  @dxdrifta  Refraction of the red light in the Earth’s atmosphere enables some red light to reach the moon during a lunar eclipse .
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  323. It’s believable because it appeals to your ignorance on the subject. Above FED had the opportunity to provide counter-arguments abd didn’t while relying on “unanswered” questions that ignore key factors. In his solo videos he just needs to sound as if knows what he is talking about.
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  324. You’re presuming such a conspiracy exists with no thought to the practicalities, what would motivate people to claim such a conspiracy exists or bothering to ask how you can determine for yourself whether the Earth is a globe.
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  325. Do you think nobody has checked on the Earth’s shape?
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  326.  @savedbygrace8337 Try looking up what Admiral actually said, not just repeating other people’s ideas of what they woukd have liked him to have said. Byrd was exploring (taking risks as he did so) not flying a regular air route.
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  327. It was and still is a byword for dumb. Some moneygrubbers realised there was money to be made from the gullible by peddling the idea to people who had grown suspicious of anything official.
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  328. Relativity means there is no way to distinguish whether you, Earth or both are moving, not that it just gotta be the Earth that is moving. That gravity is an apparent force in relativity does not mean the gravitational effect (gravity) doesn’t exist.
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  329. They don’t think.
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  330. Kevin Houston You still haven’t presented any evidence that the Earth is flat or that the dome exists. You’re referring to selenelion where sun & moon are on opposite horizons and refraction raises their apparent locations. Unusual rather than the routine you claim it is. The Earth has an inclined axis and the moon ha an inclined orbital path. You need to grasp the concept of 3D before trying to criticise it.
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  331. Kevin Houston As I’ve said twice before, you present no direct evidence of s flat earth or a dome and rely on wishful conjecture. As has already been out to you at least once, a ship can be too far away to be seen with the naked eye long before it reaches the horizon. Trying to zoom something back into view before it reaches the horizon says nothing of what will happen when it reaches the horizon. I dint know how to put that more simply. I have been asking FE’erd to zoom the sun back into view once it has set. They have the opportunity to do this at s predictable time once every day; I’m still waiting.
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  332. More that FE'ers can't agree on any details other than "it's just gotta be flat". "they are not FE proves at all" Until one of you provides this definitive list of proofs that you all claim to possess we are obliged to work with what each of you do produce. "there are so many evidences FEer have pointed out to denounce globe earth model" Well, none really but the point of this video was discussing FE'ers reasoning powers or lack thereof, not any of the FE models per se. Many FE'ers do think water levels itself and not in response to any force acting upon it. We are still waiting on the FE explanation for how water can form a level surface; "just does" doesn't cut it. "why laser or telephoto cameras can see across the long distance of earth" Because how far you can see is dependent on a combination of curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction, not on curvature alone. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for how viewing distance increases with elevation. "yet can not detect the claimed horizon drop" The drop is only a few degrees and that is not something that would leap out at the naked eye. When drop is actually measured it is evidently present. That FE'ers accept only eyeballing is your limitation. "8in/mi square for estimate the approximate drop of earth" There's novel - a FE'er who is aware it is an approximation. "free earth curvature calculator to get accurate earth drop by distance" Some calculate only geometric drop, others take into account elevation & refraction to calculate hidden drop & refracted hidden drop, which is what you actually see. "the distant object across the lakes or seas that completely defy the globe with the accurate ball earth surface drop numbers" They fit what is calculated when curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction are accounted for. You choose to use only the ones that calculate just geometric drop because you are either dumb or ingenuous. "You are intentional to fight against the FE facts" We're still waiting on these FE facts. You just keep coming out with the above. "people who understand how you were manipulating the facts" Such as? And "just gotta be" is not a valid explanation. "Why not you explain the powered momemtum gyro on gimbal even spins for hours will not register the earth daily 360degree rotation?" It does if the gyroscope has minimal friction and has sufficient momentum to adequately counter what friction does exist; most don't. Laser gyroscopes are frictionless; they always demonstrate 15 degrees per hour rotation. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for why that occurs. All you've done is come out with various canards. If you wish us to work with the Real Evidence, Real Model, Real Physics etc then you need to produce them.
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  333. You would be far more convincing if you could explain why the moon looks the same to everyone. Try doing it.
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  334. You miss the point; many people don’t know the difference between the scientific and vernacular meaings of theory and assume that the theory of X means X is just an idea somebody had.
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  335.  NXVI  Why do you think rotation is a straight line?
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  336. An election for President comes down to a choice between two candidates on the ballot paper. Holding your nose and selecting who you consider the least worst is not joining a cult or being brainwashed. What you said is symptomatic of the polarisation in the US; you have no sense of anything existing between the poles.
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  337.  @rechoice9010  You think everybody should arrive at different conclusions from common evidence?
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  338. Explain how density acts a force and ehh in a consistent explain how Cavendish demonstrated the existence of gravity 160 years before NASA was founded. Explain where you think 8”/mile^2 takes into account elevation and refraction. Explain how you think water observes it’s environment, makes decisions and moves it self. Explain what you think is in a vacuum to do the sucking. Explain why there is decreasing air pressure with increasing altitude. How many revolutions does the globe make per day?
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  339. Since the sun is part of the galaxy then it is moving in the same general direction as other stars, which make up the constellations you see. The difference in velocity is minimal and the visible stars tend to be 10-1000 light years away so changes in constellations take 10,000's tears to be apparent to the eye. The Earth's orbit is only 17 light minutes; the stellar parallax on the nearest stars is such that you would notice a difference if you measured their position 6 months apart.
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  340. 1. The scale isn't consistent in all directions, just between locations on the same longitude. 2. You need to provide evidence of a glass dome and explain why a globe light source could act as a spotlight. 3. Predicted using what FE model? 4. Which appears to be an April Fool joke. 5. Sensible. 6. Amazingly selective atmospheric effect contrary to that is otherwise undetectable. 7. If the existence of a god can't be proven then you can't prove the "dark sun" existence and claim you explain lunar eclipses. 8. You need to provide evidence the sun & moon are electromagnetic and evidence that the dome exists before you can claim to have explained anything. 9. Scale. Difficult concept for FE'ers to grasp. 10. Opening an atlas is not a scientific experiment and come with notes of the distortion caused by projection of a 3D surface onto a 2D one.
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  341. The atmosphere rotates with Earth; the planes exhibit conservation of momentum when they take off.
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  342. On a FE, it wouldn’t be able to rise & set because it was permanently too high in the sky and would still mean it was fully visible to everybody all the time rather than half the day.
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  343. That would be natural philosophy, not science.
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  344. Atmospheric rotation came about from friction with the Earth's surface; the two are in synchrony.
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  345. We shouldn’t point out the gaping holes or admonish FE’ers for wilfully ignoring them?
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  346. Such is the power of the penguins!
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  347. The security has been contracted out?
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  348. Do you want to try explaining how FE perspective works? Why does it vary depending on the objet & direction? And don't say "do the research".
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  349. Read using “Newest First”.
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  350. Search for direct flights, not any flight.
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  351. You have to be able to prove things anywhere and provide sane arguments if you wish to debate. In the US the attitude is that everybody has an equal say regardless of their intelligence, knowledge & understanding and that opinions are more important than actual facts.
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  352. Hence the jokes about heavily armed penguin patrols.
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  353. Explain the “gay” bit.
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  354. What's your technique for identifying fake photographs?
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  355.  @mateinroblox Unfortunately FE’ers frequently make this assertion without any thought as to how water would do it without external influence.
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  356.  @TheBlueskyson  Check the recent debate between him and Prof Dave.
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  357. Isaiah 33:22 You probably own a mobile or wireless phone and you can’t figure out how it connects to a landline? Genetic change occurs; natural selection favours best fit for the existing environment. Unless there is a change in the environment then then no or little change is favoured.
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  358. 🥃 Note: 70% covered by water, not 70% water by volume.
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  359. Try actually producing your facts and logic.
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  360. Watch his earlier videos
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  361. Level means parallel to the ground regardless of whether it is curved or flat while a straight course on s globe will appear curved when projected into a 2D surface.
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  362.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  It’s bloody irritating.
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  363. Project a curved surface onto a flat one and you get distortion. The southern dip is that distortion.
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  364. Himawari-8, Elektro-L & EPIC are collectively taking several shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. Blue Marble & Earthrise are single-frame shots on film.
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  365.  @boterlettersukkel  Who appears to be trolling himself...
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  366. As in the tree in the quad?
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  367. To get to the other side.
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  368. A few scream something to the effect of “the government is deceiving you”.
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  369. Alex Boller Explain how you think density can act as force and why in a consistent direction.
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  370. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988
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  371. Back when this was released one guy made a disparaging comment about how easy they all were and, when pressed, said he would give the answers when he finished work. 2hrs later he deleted his comment. That’s as informative as FEers have been.
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  372. Laws of thermodynamics prove what and how exactly?
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  373. It’s a matter of context. He made a video in his astronomy section about how we know the Earth is a globe and received a deluge of FE comments that relied on the above assertions. He got tired of correcting them and made this video.
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  374. We’re talking people who find a millenia-old, totally pointless conspiracy more plausible than the notion that they’re being hoodwinked by a conman on YT.
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  375. Did he think the interstate highways existed in colonial times?
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  376. You need to consider yourself extremely intelligent; not the same thing.
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  377. “Use your brain please” Watch Prof Dave’s next video (10 Challenges), use your brain and answer them.
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  378. Still waiting for any FE’er to actually counter it. Want to try?
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  379. You realise that you don’t need a special licence to look up at the stars or buy a telescope?
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  380. Flights go via Santiago. There are too few people flying between Australia & South America for multiple direct destinations to be economically feasible.
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  381.  @thesun4688  He didn't ask any questions aside from a single rhetorical one. Am I supposed to be psychic?
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  382. It's more that the <insert favourite bogeymen> are solely responsible.
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  383.  @skye_onair509 ​​⁠Then explain how density can act as a force and why in a particular direction.
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  384. The practicalities of running a given conspiracy don’t impinge on running said conspiracy?
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  385. Plane flight times are the length of the journey; the departure & arrival times relate to the time zones.
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  386. They usual insist refraction doesn’t occur except when they want it and they seemingly have no clue what electromagnetism is. Why don’t you provide this Real Model?
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  387.  @jonathanshaw3755  1. 1000 mph is a linear velocity and only FE'ers' heads do objects rotate in a straight line. To sane people the Earth revolves once per day. 2. Centrifugal force is strongest at the equator and is still <0.5% that of gravity. The difference in weight of objects between pole & equator is measurable.
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  388. You’re conflating fact, opinion & belief.
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  389. Why do you think everything has the same weight?
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  390. What’s your technique for determining whether a picture is real or fake?
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  391.  @phathokum1855  There's no reason you shouldn't be answering me then. Try rebutting what he said.
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  392.  @2dark4noir  We tend to see maps as 2D simply because that is what is convenient to use for viewing on screens or fold-up paper maps but the term does cover both a 3D map (globe surface) and 2D (projections),
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  393.  @BJ-xm6bi  Sure. The chap I spent a week with answering every question he asked, more than once, is now back complaining nobody answers his questions. The guy to whom I yesterday explained the effect of elevation in viewing distance is now asking why he can see so far in a high elevation. I request evidence most days of FE'ers who claim to have the piece of evidence that disproves the globe, i.e., the slam-dunk evidence; most don't reply, many prevaricate and the remaining few come out with "I don't see how...". FE'ers have a selective memory and little reasoning capability.
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  394.  @OllieToddy37  FE’ers think the UN logo is a secret message that the Earth is flat; they can’t explain how you would incorporate a 3D logo on a flag.
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  395.  @petroleumalley  Trying to look up globe map specifically always leads to projections rather than a 3D model so I can understand his confusion.
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  396. They fly shorter routes to cover up the distance being far greater?
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  397. Start with his original video in his astronomy section and progress chronologically. By this point he’s had a year of the same erroneous claims, non-explanations and copious insults from the Thinkers.
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  398. Durwood2k The moving upwards idea was dumped years ago, essentially because it was readily demonstrable that the Earth would have to be accelerating, not a constant velocity, and would reach lightspeed after a year. “Density is a force” has been the main claim for some years and many now seem to be subscribing to the Law of Just Does.
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  399. How many cameras do you need?
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  400.  @mattbaker3179 Open mindedness is the willingness to listen to and consider alternative ideas, not accept alternative ideas as plausible without question.
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  401. This is the fourth video he’s made on the subject, the first being an educational video in the astronomy section. Watch the series from the beginning and it will answer your question.
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  402. This is aimed at people who have difficulty grasping that, in a world of 8 billion people, it is possible to have more than one observer.
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  403. Have you considered actually thinking when reading his “proofs”?
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  404. What does it tell you?
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  405. Normally there would be an SAA direct flight from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo. Covid restrictions meant reduced traffic and many long distance routes were suspended because there were too few travellers for them to be economical, including that flight. Most people would travel on indirect routes, ie., through a sequence of separate flights, each operating on a heavily used route. The Sydney to Santiago flight remains relevant even if Johannesburg to Sao Paulo isn't flying.
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  406. How long do you think the batteries should last on "Elon's roadster"?
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  407. It’s called observable reality. Their claims for mechanisms have to produce what we can observe. It is not messed up or unreasonable to require that.
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  408. These questions again? It’s not difficult to find or understand the answers. 1. You’re confusing elevation with curvature and assuming “down” to be a mysterious plane beyond the South Pole. Down is towards the centre of the Earth and the Nile flows from higher elevation to low elevation like every other river. 2. The pole star used to be Thuban. Stars are distant and move in the same general direction as the galaxy rotates; their apparent positions in the sky change but require 10,000 years to be readily apparent to the eye. Look the rest up yourself.
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  409.  @mickraybam6012  They assume time zones and local time are synonymous and thus the sun would need to hop across the sky if Earth was a sphere. No explanation forthcoming for why they would work on a FE.
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  410. Volcanoes don’t release jam? 🤔
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  411. Everything comes with risk, including getting out of bed in the morning. Whether the risk is substantial is another matter.
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  412. What are you saying is wrong exactly: the flights existence, the recollection of the people who have taken the flight, their watches, the maximum speed, the fuel consumption etc. You need to be more specific and provide evidence to back your claim.
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  413.  @bigbzylo5777  That sounds like the Real Model, Real Evidence, Real Physics etc. All readily available but nobody can say where or describe them.
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  414. Link?
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  415. By changing the subject. :-)
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  416. In 18 months, the running total of challenges met by the geniuses who claim the profound insight on how it all really works is zero.
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  417. PaxRomana There’s nothing stopping you going to Antarctica. Produce some of these pictures of the ice wall.
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  418. PaxRomana Then you need to come up with an infrared picture of Chicago from that location. In the meantime look up superior mirage.
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  419.  @joegreen5714  Why would you get dizzy on one rotation per day? HA;f the speed of a clock's hour hand?
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  420. Stand at the border between Ireland and Northetn Ireland and you can see the UK quite clearly 😊 I believe there is actually a place in NI where it is possible to see Scotland.
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  421. Why would you expect it to move?
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  422. It’s a difference of applying thought & reasoning to arrive at conclusions rather than simply looking for something to support a presumed belief. Most FE’ers are looking to reinforce a fundamentalist religious outlook or are simply wanting to boost there self-esteem by being in a minority that sees what the majority don’t. They are incapable of providing plausible explanations for what we observe or provide a predictive model; they just keep asserting the canards Prof Dave debunks.
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  423. He knows the folks he wants to fleece have poor spatial reasoning.
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  424. There’s respect and there’s politeness. When FE’ers have a great deal to say about the profundity of their thinking, the clarity of their insight and their razor-sharp reasoning but can’t understand the point in this video then I have no reason to respect their claims.
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  425. Dubay is not open to debating anyone so take it up with him. “Aren’t always what truths Flatties believe” If would be remarkably helpful if “truther Flatties” actually stated what they believe rather than simply repeating what folks like Dubay say. We can criticise what they say and what models they wave around but not what none of them aren’t willing to say. If you want us to critique what you truly believe then have the guts to say what it actually is otherwise stop complaining.
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  426.  @philaypeephilippotter6532  Logically that means popcorn has the power to reveal God, be the magic key to get through the impenetrable dome and is an antidote to mind control 😊
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  427. Unless something prevents it from doing so like gravity pulling it towards Earth.
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  428.  @Rapture777-now  There are two propossd FE explanations for the sun. One camp has it orbiting vertically, above & below the FE but they never explain why there isn’t a universal rise & set rather than tome zones. The currently favoured suggestion is a horizontal motion where the FE sun stays up for no reason at a height that is immeasurable for no reason, moves for no reason, moves in & out for no reason, changes speed for no reason, illuminates a limited area for no reason, produces long southern hemisphere days somehow, rises & sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon, grows & shrinks in apparent while maintaining a constant apparent size and somehow maintains a constant angular velocity for every observer in total disregard for the perspective they talk about so much. A solar system has every planet moving in regular and predictable orbit with no occasional backwards movement for no apparent reason. Using that maths we have been able to accurately send probes through the solar system. The distance to the sun is measurable and measured through several approaches. The stars ate extremely distant and moving in the same general direction of the sun as the galaxy rotates. Change in position would require 10,000s year to be apparent to the unaided eye (the FE favoured method) as altered constellations but the small changes from year to year are measurable & measured. Star charts need to be updated every 10 years or so. A parallax effect is observable with the nearest stars, indicating that the Earth is in motion, in an orbit around the sun. FEers prefer a disc shape or an infinite plane, generally ignoring the concept of four corners. None have done anything to check Antarctica, ice wall or dome.
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  429. Because the cameras are in appropriate for low light intensities.
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  430.  @steventripp4530  A level indicates the direction of down in that locale. Why do you think they dictate a Universal Down?
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  431.  @Alkis05  Don’t give them ideas; numbers aren’t their strong suite and they will simply argue 1xg is infinite gravity because it is continuous rather than any grasp of the difference between 1 and infinite.
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  432. The FE is demonstrably not so; it is disprovable and long since disproved. The existence of a deity is undisprovable; there is no way to establish the answer either way.
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  433.  @jeraldsmith7778  I have FE’ers confidently telling me that digital cameras & Photoshop and even 1960’s photos are CGI so I have no confidence that even a FE’er who knows what the abbreviation is understands what CGI is. Do you want to try answering?
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  434. @Flamenkindi Explain how you think saltiness would make water slosh backwards & forwards. "On the biggest freshwater lakes of our world there is not a single millimeter of tide" Except there is. You do understand the difference between a metre and a millimetre? You don't seem to grasp the concept of volume too well. Lakes are shallow compared to seas & oceans. Displacement of water in a lake from shallow to shallow isn't going to lead to large tides. Displacement of water in a sea from deep to shallow means a larger volume of water moves on the shallow area and you observe a significant tide. "a supposed rotation which exists only in the imagination of the globes believers" Globebusters demonstrated rotation with their laser gyroscope (thanks, Bob). That you don't get dizzy on one rotation per day does not mean there is no rotation.
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  435. @Flamenkindi "the idea of the globe was born with Copernicus" Copernicus proposed a heliocentric system. That the Earth was a sphere had been recognised for 2000 years, a spherical Earth being the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic model that the heliocentric model displaced.
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  436. @Flamenkindi "What does your gravity do in these cases?" Difficult as it is for FE'ers to grasp. there can be more than one factor acting at a time. The universe is not magically limited to one factor at a time, just your brains.
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  437. Stefan Patrascu You think every human in the world has to test something before there is any acceptable verification? That does seem to be a basic demand of FE’ers though they never explain why it doesn’t apply to their ideas. Do you want to explain that as well?
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  438. Stefan Patrascu For the third time, curvature of space-time caused by the gravitational field that is an inherent property of matter. You do realise that knowing how something occurs is not a prerequisite for something being able to occur? That humans were making fire aeons before the Theory of Combustion was deduced? You need to produce conclusive evidence that the world is flat. No FE’er has been able to do that yet. None can even come up with a working map. Do you realise that ignorance is not knowledge?
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  439.  @TheAurelianProject The topic is specifically flatearthers, not conspiracy theorists generally.
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  440.  @TheAurelianProject  You raised that issue, not Dave or the OP.
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  441. Some did but none have tried answering the questions.
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  442.  @urkingsking  Hipparchus. Modern star charts abound.
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  443. Karndean Slasher You’re professing to have the profound insight on how life, the universe and everything really works so answer Pets Pro’s question.
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  444. The stars are moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy rotates. For what differences in velocity do exist the stars are so distant from the sun that it requires 10,000’s years for any change in the shape of constellations to be readily apparent to the eye.
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  445. How did the wise master demonstrate to you that density was a force?
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  446. The plane travels relative to the air, not relative to the ground.
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  447. A choice between: 1. They’re fooling you to fool you. 2. To hide God by….means…. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the impenetrable dome and insurmountable icewall by…means.. 4. To establish total mind control over you by…means….
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  448. Jesse Diaz It will give you a parabola, not a circle.
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  449.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  You mean you can’t prove a theory absolutely; you can reach the point where the accumulated evidence is such that it would be unreasonable not to consider it valid and certainly dumb to reject it simply because you don’t like it.
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  450.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  The age of the Earth was not known in 1859.
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  451.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  That was 1859. This is 2022. 1859 is not yesterday. 163 years have passed in the interval. Surely that is not too difficult to comprehend, even for a FE'er. There was no way to date the Earth in 1859. Estimates were largely conjecture based on how long it would take for sedimentary rock to form. In those intervening 163 years geology has advanced and we now have radiometric dating. Genetics was not understood in 1859. Darwin merely perceived there was a change in hereditary characteristics over time. Only around 1900 did a basis even start to take form for how hereditary characteristics were passed on. It was the 1950's before DNA was recognised, the 1960's before the basis of encoding was founded. Only in the last 20 years have we been able to sequence genomes. Fossils were known of in 1859 and it was generally recognised they came from extinct species but only with the latter half of the 19th century did paleontology start advancing. Observations made 163 years ago were not made yesterday. Is that clear?
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  452.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  I said that we DIDN’T know the age of the Earth in 1859.
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  453.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  <eye-roll> What is flawed about radiometric dating?
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  454.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Radiometric dating is not limited to carbon-14 dating; about 40 pairs & trios are collectively used to cover billions of years. Like everything else, techniques become better honed with time. Dating is repeatedly checked as the techniques improve. "how is it that something is said to be 60,000 years when we humans had no idea of such dating until 1907 or so?" Technology did not freeze in 1907. "leads me to believe that they started with an idea, it didn't work, so they changed the dates" As I said before, the dates prior to radiometric dating were estimates on how long it would take for sedimentary rock to build up which were made when geology was still in its infancy. You seem to have difficulty grasping how data accumulates with the passage of time. "For decades, their precise age has been debated" Did you bother asking why the doubt or did you just assume generalities? Did you consider what technological changes may have occurred over the last 40 years or did you just assume it was all the same? "Getting the picture yet?" Yes; you haven't realised how little you know about the subject.
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  455.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  I corrected you on each point; how is that not a response? You had no idea that there was more to it than carbon dating, nor how usable samples are obtained and sneered at technology being honed with time. Televisions are relevant in that it is something you have experienced first hand; have televisions improved in your lifetime?
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  456. After a year of “we have answers and can’t provide said answers so that proves we have answers” anybody’s patience would be sorely stretched.
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  457. Why not?
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  458. A direct line between Sydney and Santiago on a FE would be beyond the flight range if the aircraft. You are suggesting they take a curved path that would be longer still yet still somehow arriving as if in the much shorter time of a globe.
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  459.  @victorm9283 It’s not like regular snowy mountains; it’s a far colder, harsher and further from civilisation. The permits require the applicants to be fully prepared, understand the protocols for protecting the environment and have the back-up to try rescuing them if necessary.
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  460. You can personally observe the sun rise & set but you deny it?
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  461. The elliptical orbit does not cause seasons.
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  462. Watch his original video in the astronomy section. By this point he’s had about a year of FE’ers aggressively pushing their error-ridden claims, each convinced they have profound insight and understanding of how it all really works despite having the errors repeatedly explained to them. This video challenges them to demonstrate their insight & understanding; running score is 0/10.
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  463. Snite “Based on its distance” What would you say that distance was?
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  464. Debunking is easy; persuading some of them they have been debunked is another matter.
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  465. If they spent their days stacking aisles you’d think they would have a better grasp of perspective 😊
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  466. Mph is a linear velocity; 1000mph is reference to the tangential velocity, not the rotation.
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  467. Yet another Vendée race just completed.
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  468. He didn’t provide anything concrete to disprove; he just produced a list of “unanswered questions”, was given the answers and avoided explaining why he disagreed with them. How do you conclude Weiss came out on top?
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  469. The Earth is a physical object; its shape is not a matter of opinion.
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  470.  @paulb7412  You’re conflating sex & gender.
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  471. Its diameter is a 1000-fold larger than the the 25 miles envisaged by FE’ers. Do you understand the concept of measurement?
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  472. You cant see it from below the equator. The angle to Polaris measurably matches latitude; it is below the horizon there. All they have to do is look.
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  473. Big lad Or the Law of Just Does.
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  474. You think none of the above challenges reflect reality? Do you the sun doesn’t rise & set and there’s just a huge conspiracy since the planet formed to make it appear so?
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  475. The Earth was determined to be a globe 2500 years ago; modern cartography developed 2000 years afterwards.
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  476. As soon as the oxygen ran out. While he still had some to breathe he'd be bouncing round the inside of the capsule ranting on the radio that's it's all a hoax.
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  477. Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC are taking multiple pictures of Earth every hour, all immediately downloadable. Why the necessity of Hubble to take one?
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  478. They don’t believe in measurement.
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  479. People have been seeing first hand for 60 years and FE’ers aren’t satisfied.
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  480. Open a dictionary.
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  481. 2. Because your body is insensitive to motion; you infer motion from the sensation of acceleration and seeing objects move around you.
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  482. How many time by how many people in how ways do the 200 proofs need to be debunked to satisfy you that they have been debunked?
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  483. You realise that FE was disproved purely from observation 2500 years ago? Whether an astronaut is in space or not bears no relevance to that discussion.
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  484. Good heavens! You're supposed to Ask Questions, not ask questions. 🙂
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  485.  Devilcorn123  Don’t malign the Neanderthals 😊
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  486. Brazil. Such conflicts don’t bother Thinkers.
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  487. What makes you think it must be due to vaccination?
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  488. The same was said of the Intelligent Design proponents who ended up on school boards changing school curriculums.
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  489. There’ a whole world outside the US, the government is not the only source of funding and Uncle Sam has been around only 250 years.
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  490. Evidence?
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  491. They insist it is small & close. A distant moon would have the problem of not rising & setting and the viewing angles from different locations would disagree with observation.
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  492. They claim that water flattens itself ("finds its own level") but won't explain why drops, waterfalls & meniscus aren't flat.
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  493. The trouble is that many people think they can ignore the science and summarily dismiss results they don't like based on bugger all knowledge of the particular subject. If you have multiple specialists in agreement on a subject then it is reasonable to "believe the science" in the sense of accepting their informed conclusions.
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  494. The vernacular and the scientifuc uses; in science there is only one definition.
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  495. You can and people do; to obtain a permit you do need to demonstrate that you know what you are doing (it's inhospitable to put it mildly), are suitable equipped (no rescue service) and are not going to litter the place while you're there.
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  496. How many people need to isolate & sequence the virus to satisfy that someone has isolated & sequenced the virus?
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  497. Natural philosophy rather than science.
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  498. So where are the holes that you neglected to mention?
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  499. that guy You couldn’t even understand the title of the video.
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  500. You don’t see the oblation in photos because it is too slight.
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  501. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  502. Some accept they are spheres, others believe they are flat, most seem to just insist they are "wandering lights" and a few think the entire heavens are just a projection. If someone uses a telescope but doesn't bother focussing correctly they claim they have evidence they are just little balls of light.
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  503. Projecting a 3D shape (globe surface) onto a 2D surface (a map that handily folds & rolls) creates distortion. What is a direct line across the surface of the globe is distorted into an arc on a 2D projection.
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  504. Try sorting by newest first.
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  505. How would it set?
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  506.  @rechoice9010  Most people arise at similar conclusions; why do you think everybody's conclusion should be different? Why should everybody arrive at different conclusions from measuring the shape of the same object?
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  507. FED’s one of the FE gurus who supposedly possesses all the knowledge & understanding and can wipe the floor with any debater.
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  508. ​ @j.michael5650  https://lima.usgs.gov/ There's not a lot to photograph in hi-res; snow looks like snow.
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  509. There are curious facts and there are cherry picking, misrepresentation, ignorance and incredulity.
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  510.  @awi9053  Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left and verifiable material brought back.
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  511. “Luminaries”, which translates to “don’t use a telescope” or “don’t focus a telescope”. FEers aim is to see things as they Really Are rathern how they really are.
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  512. CyberMiguel Guarda I take it you can’t understand plain English. It refers to gravity within a black hole, not the shape of the Earth or even Earth’s gravity.
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  513. There haven’t been any answers. A number of people claimed they could do it (and do it easily) but none actually obliged.
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  514. Travel.
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  515. Watch #10 again.
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  516. There’s only two things that FE’ers agree upon: that the Earth is flat and that they are agreed upon all the details. However none of them can agree what those agreed upon details are. You’ll find each FE’er has their own version which they will all swear blind is the agreed upon model.
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  517. No rebuttal to the flight in the video? Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude - all verifiable by anybody and all indicative of a globe. You can measure it with sticks & shadows.
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  518. Using English helps if you wish to communicate. You're visualising all clouds as opaque when they are actually translucent. Light passes through them; a totally overcast sky does not produce night, just diminished brightness. Wispy clouds disperse only a small proportion of the sunlight and gives the illusion of the sun being in front. Planes can fly above the highest clouds; no planes have yet flown over the sun.
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  519. What do you envisage the problem to be exactly?
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  520.  @TheRealWattLife  Why not try saying where you think Prof Dave was wring in this video?
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  521.  @TheRealWattLife  The rate of downwards acceleration is measurable and testable.
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  522. Have you ever figured out why your grocery bill differs from week to week?
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  523.  @woodand  "Respect is earned by conduct or achievements" And their achievements are claiming that reality is wrong for reasons they can't explain, claiming they have a working FE map that none of them can produce and denying anything that conflicts with what they would like to believe. What is there to respect?
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  524.  @marklondon9004 The modern flatearthers arose mid-19th century.
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  525.  @jwhoward3611  You’re making the same mistake as FE’ers: presuming all information comes from the government. NASA was formed in 1958 AD. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe c. 500 BC. Magellan circumnavigated the Earth in the 16th century. Enough of the surface had been mapped by 17th for geographic globes to be practical. The co-ordinate system was standardised worldwide in 19th. The Soviet Union launched the first satellite in 1957 AD. NASA does not and has not controlled all information pertaining to the Earth’s shape. The ancient Greeks deduced it from observations anybody can make: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude & seasons, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. 2500 years on we are still waiting in FE’ers to produce explanations. Instead we have claims that the horizon is too far away based on their using the wrong maths and ignoring elevation & atmospheric refraction; somehow this is supposed to prove there isn’t a horizon at all. This video doesn’t require any calculations or measurements, just thought; still no answers. The evidence is very much one-sided. It’s why flat-earther is a by-word for idiocy.
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  526.  @Nikioko  Look up Poe’s Law. You wouldn’t be the first to equate north & south with high & low.
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  527. Get it to rise & set. Do you think we haven’t heard that before?
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  528.  @C_Becker Far more information coming in than in any time in history with routinely conflicting opinions from experts, “experts” and any Tom, Dick & Harry. It leaves some with the sense that the world is full of uncertainty. There is a supposed ancient Chinese curse “May you live in interesting times.” It seems appropriate for the situation.
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  529. Educational videos still make up the vast bulk of what he does; the FE ones are a sideline. Check his video list.
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  530. No answer to the video then?
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  531. It’s been explained to them umpteen times by umpteen people why they are wrong yet they keep repeating the same claims and hailing themselves as thinkers. It becomes difficult to remain polite.
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  532.  NXVI  The shape of the Earth is not a matter of opinion. It's measurable and has been measured countless times. FE'ers are running around claiming ignorance is knowledge.
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  533. Lunar phases are due to the relative orientation of the sun, moon & Earth; as the moon orbits the Earth you see a varying proportion of the sunlit side of the moon. Nothign is casting a shadow on the moon; you're looking at the part that is turned away from the sun.
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  534.  @_Alhemist  "There are probes filled with helium" What would they be if not balloons? Be exact. What makes you think the GPS transmissions don't contain a time signal?
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  535. Try refuting him.
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  536. Then do your own research. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  537. It doesn’t mean that you can’t determine it for yourself (curvature can be measured with as little as sticks & shadows); it means that many measurements in science generally rely on technology and experience.
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  538. An ad hominem is when an insult is used in place of an argument.
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  539. It doesn’t matter how times in how many ways curvature is demonstrated the FE’ers don’t accept it.
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  540. Check what his videos are usually about.
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  541. What do you think the issues are with the globe?
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  542.  @deltatransports6131  Have you considered reading the full sentence in the document you are attempting to quote? Have you even bothered to look at why they are making all those assumptions? "I thought I did you a favor by posting ..." We've all heard it before. We bothered reading all that was written; we looked at the purpose of the paper. You're just the latest in a long line of people who can't be arsed to read beyond a few words. "I can debunk all of the dumb stuff he said." That's what you said originally and is what people were asking you to do. Try doing it.
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  543.  @deltatransports6131  We’ve all seen the document you’re referring to. Read the whole sentence.
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  544. Dubay doesn’t debate anybody.
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  545. John Challeen It’s for the benefit of those looking down the rabbit hole rather than those who’ve leapt down it
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  546. What’s his question?
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  547. It still amazes me that FE’ers think that butterflies and oceans have the same mass.
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  548. The Law of Just Does.
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  549. Many of the questions asked on here arise from willful ignorance; they’ve been given the answer multiple times (often even in the same thread) and are easy to google but they aren’t interested in knowing the answer, hence the lack of patience. Genuine questions are different; we progress by asking questions & sharing knowledge and most regulars would be happy to answer them.
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  550.  SpaceX says  A large proportion of FE’ers say there’s an edge.
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  551. If the distances remained the same then it should be easy to make a functioning FE map. Where is it? What do you expect curvature to look like on the photographs?
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  552.  @ulazsz6325  With current restrictions on travel there were too few people wanting a direct flight for it to be economical. Look up flights later this year. Indirect flights means frog-hopping on a series of shorter, high demand direct flights, essentially acting as a seat filler on each. It doesn’t mean its the shortest route.
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  553. Rotation is simply change in angle over time usually expressed as rad/sec or revolutions per minute. It isn’t measured as distance over time; that is linear velocity. Some people talk of Earth rotating at 1000mph because that sounds really fast when it’s actually a sedate one revolution per day and try to compare that to the circumference of a merry-go-round to give the impression of being even faster.
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  554. The tangential velocity at the equator is 1041 mph. The rotational velocity everywhere is one revolution per day.
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  555. Vegan Snacks There’s a live feed on the ISS and nobody has yet explained why the existence of a training pool would preclude the existence of the highly visible ISS.
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  556. Vegan Snacks It’s called elevation but I realise it is difficult for FE’ers to handle more than 2 dimensions. The higher you are the greater the amount of surface you can see and the smaller the proportion a set size area will occupy in your view.
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  557. Vegan Snacks About 1300 active satellites and I have already pointed out to you there is a live feed from the ISS.
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  558. Vegan Snacks EPIC, Himawari 8 and Elektro-L take several photos every hour, all viewable & downloadable. If you want to claim they are fake then produce evidence to back that; “they just gotta be” is not evidence. The harness is being used in the training pool. I asked you why you thought a training pool precluded the existence of the ISS; predictably you haven’t answered.
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  559. JD which is at least a step up from “they’re fooling us because they want to fool us”.
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  560. Which is why it gets used as a rule of thumb by land surveyors. It still produces a parabola, not a circle, and it does not calculate how far you can see.
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  561. You can’t see radio waves; does your TV not work?
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  562. Your statement would have more weight if FE’ers produced the proofs you refer to. Meanwhile you can prove the Earth is a globe with sticks & shadows.
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  563. You won't have to kick them out; they'll open the airlock themselves to prove there is no vacuum outside :-)
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  564. Blue Marble was shot on film as was Earthrise. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L collectively take several pictures per hour, all immediately downloadable.
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  565.  @yan-amar  It’s a recurring quote from FE’ers trying to bolster their assertion that gravity doesn’t exist.
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  566. The running total remains at 0/10.
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  567.  @jasonmull5613  Yes; generally people making your comment haven't noticed or understood the title. "flat earthers use some critical thinking" Their thinking is very superficial and not in any way critical. Espousing a different idea instead of established reality simply because it is different is not critical thinking. "I don't see how..." means exactly that; it is not mind-blowing insight.
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  568.  @ndtt906 The dome that does/doesn’t exist?
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  569. You're another idiot who thinks his ignorance is unrecognised genius.
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  570. FE’ers’ favourite explanation is “ask somebody else”. None of them can provide meaningful answers.
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  571. If your flight is cancelled then your money us refunded or credited; where’s the profit exactly? How do they fake shorter flights for long distances?
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  572. Mikey Tyson And no still no explanation how they identify pictures as fake.
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  573.  @skeleton7972  Let me guess - the four words are "The Earth is Flat" and you have no notion those words convey sweet FA about FE claims?
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  574. Half the world can view the moon at any given time. If the Earth was flat then everybody always would.
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  575. There’s asking how the heliocentric model works and what the evidence for that it is and there is starting with “it just gotta be wrong” and digging for garbage to support your belief.
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  576.  @skye_onair509  Your asserting scalars are forces wirh direction and vectors lack direction?
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  577.  @a_diamond  No; to normal people reference to sea-level means mean sea-level, not tides.
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  578. Kevin Magyar What was the obvious that I missed? Be a novel FE’er and actually state what you believe the error to be.
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  579. Both hemispheres rotate eastwards; I assume you mean the apparent rotation of stars. That is a matter if your orientation to the rotational axis. If you watch a car drive then the wheels move in one direction viewed from the right hand side and the opposite direction viewed from the left.
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  580. s w The difference would be 4 degrees of 180 degree view of the moon, which has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees in the sky at best, and occur at the edges where the view of the surface is already slanted with respect to the observers. Why do you think that difference would be huge? Are you just assuming it must be?
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  581. Magnets don’t touch either.
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  582. That’s what the penguins will do if you go looking 🙁
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  583. Why is it so difficult for FE'ers to calculate degrees curvature per mile?
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  584. Which is because it is a projection of a globe onto a flat surface and distortion is inevitable. A flat surface on a flat surface would have no such distortion. The FE’ers insist the Earth is flat and thus should be able to produce a flat map with a constant scale.
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  585. So what’s your evidence that sunlight can only travel a few thousand miles?
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  586. Be honest - you just want to be a wizard 🧙‍♂️ 😊
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  587.  @atamisk21  Have you considered the possibility that speed is measurable?
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  588. When all the flights pass close to the Arctic Circle then it means they are carefully avoiding what happens elsewhere in the world.
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  589. Around the edge.
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  590. Ronin Haran The light intensity diminishes with increasing distance as the light passes through an ever increasing volume of space.
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  591. Gender & sex are different things.
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  592. B J All your questions are answered over and over and over and over and over. Unfortunately it seems to be beyond FE’ers mental capacity to understand. We ask you for the slam dunk evidence you all keep saying you have and all we ever get are willful ignorance and idiotic reasoning.
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  593. Some insist it is flat and some claim it emits its own light though none can exclaim why shadows from mountains are readily observable.
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  594. It's accurate (and hence consistent) only along the lines of longitude. Any other direction and the comparison doesn't work because of the distortion from being a projection. If FE'ers believe they can make a functional map then a scale would have to match a consistent distance in any direction.
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  595.  @fatemehomidi4542  Any hypothesis has to be explanatory of what is observed. If it disagrees with what is already observed then it can be immediately dismissed; it does not require testing. So far everything put forward by FE’ers relies on observable reality being wrong; there is nothing to test.
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  596. Seems normal for FE’ers. They think gravity being continuous means it’s irresistible. They prattle on about perspective but have real problems with size & distance.
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  597. The ships didn’t have the operational range to sail across an ocean that spanned most of the globe so nobody tried it. Columbus disagreed with people in that he thought the globe was was much smaller than measured and thus that Asia was within sailing range of Europe. Sailing around a continent (Africa) or frog hopping between islands (Iceland, Greenland) allows landfall for food & water. Thousands of miles of nothing but sea do not.
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  598. Because they conveniently fold or roll up.
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  599. I think the insufficient fuel probably arises from some people thinking a space craft functions like a plane requiring continuous propulsion to stay aloft. They don’t understand that a vacuum has zero resistance to something passing through it.
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  600. How do inanimate objects seek anything?
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  601. No refutation?
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  602. Where do you think the water disappears to when you drink it?
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  603. So where does sunlight come from?
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  604. At one revolution per day how many degrees change would you expect to occur in 1 minute?
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  605.  @tailwhipolaf  The ancient Greeks deduced the shape of the planet from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. We are still waiting on FE’ers to explain any of that. Dubay deletes questions from his videos’ comments; Prof Dave answers questions. Dubay claims density (a ratio) acts as a force but won’t explain how that is possible; curiously FE’ers accept it without question. Meanwhile FE’er are repeatedly given answers to every question, again and again and again, but run around saying the questions are unanswered. Check the other videos on Prof Dave’s “Debunking” playlist. Some of your other gurus have been up for debate.
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  606. Why can none of you ever say what these “strong points” are?
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  607.  @billcooperpatriot1059  Explain the constant angular diameter & velocity and why the Southern Hemisphere has longer days in summer rather than shorter than winter days.
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  608. The gyroscopes require resetting periodically. The plane doesn't have to dip its nose down since it simply follows the constant air pressure that provides enough lift to keep it in level flight; that would occur whether the Earth was flat or round. On a "zetetic model" (still waiting on FE'ers to produce a working map) it would take considerably longer than 12 hours; an equatorial flight would require about >1000mph and the distance increases with increasing latitude.
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  609. The Bible doesn’t declare it to be flat. The people who put pen to paper lived in a culture that assumed the Earth was flat and their choice of words reflects that. The OT writers also lived in the Bronze Age and that is reflected to but it’s never interpreted as teaching to use bronze rather than iron.
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  610. Some confuse north-south as higher & lower elevations, others conflate elevation & curvature.
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  611. Start with his original astronomy video, work through the FE subsequent videos sequentially and note the FE comments. FE’ers go out of their way to be dumb.
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  612. What do airlines have to do with NASA?
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  613. Michaelson & Morley and Airy failed to find evidence of luminiferous aether; explain why you think no evidence proves something. Sagnac's observations are explained by relativity. How difficult is it for you people to understand that photographs can be taken from different heights? That there isn't some magical height from which all space photos are taken? Piccard, Cook, Ross & Byrd are all misquoted by FE'ers. Why don't you actually find out what they said?
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  614. Being different makes them feel special.
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  615. See his debate with David Weiss.
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  616. This is the fourth video on the topic; watch the previous three in order and look over the posted comments.
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  617. Is it possible for you to meet one of his challenges? FE’ers hand out a lot of flak and very little in the way of evidence.
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  618.  @j.e.wattes8991  It’s a question FE’ers repeatedly ask, thinking a hovering helicopter disproves rotation.
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  619.  @PerfectTorah  Laser gyroscopes & Foucault pendulums demonstrate that the Earth is rotating. What do you think makes everything else move and move in a circle? No answer to my previous question?
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  620. At this point he’s had months of abuse from FE’ers who repeat the same idiocies while claiming they have explanations for everything. Running total for the folks with the answers actually answering these challenges stands at 0.
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  621. AwesomeJWiz The world is 25,000 miles in circumference. That means 0.0144 degrees curvature per mile; not something that jumps out at you.
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  622. Why are so many of you lodged in the present? GPS has been around for only a few decades; do you think the 19th century cartographers were using GPS?
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  623. His original video was in his astronomy section and laid out how we know the Earth is round. He was bombarded by FE’ers pushing these errors. Their response to this video frequently included repeating these claims. What do you envisage the “flat Earthers’ experience” to be?
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  624.  @DemigodoftheSea  Developed and leaked are two different things.
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  625. What are you saying is wrong?
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  626. You mean Talmud and it doesn’t.
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  627. Do you want answers?
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  628.  @danielsmith8107  Why would objects “settle” in a particular direction? What force or forces cause the motion? What would forces be limited to one at time? How would density act as a force? We’re still waiting for your gurus (the ones who’ve explained it all to you) to answer those questions. Utter silence from the men with the answers. The Cavendish & Scheihallion experiments demonstrated the existence of gravity by detecting attraction between individual objects. Still waiting on the “real” explanations from your gurus. Your gurus sound persuasive but they are selling you pigswill.
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  629. Have you tried obtaining a ticket and getting aboard?
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  630. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Not difficult to demonstrate the Earth is a globe.
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  631. Try refuting what Dave said.
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  632. Possible you're thinking of natural philosophy which assumed that the working of the natural world could be determined by observation & thought. It was the ancient Greek philosophers who first deduced that the Earth was a sphere from considering the observed motion of sun & stars. Today the shape of the Earth is measured by geodetic satellites.
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  633. Matthew Duckworth You’re frequenting hospitals but you unaware they have different departments? The CDC said that in the lack of availability of tests (which are recent) the doctor can make a diagnosis through symptoms and association with an known infected person. How do you think doctors diagnosed anything before kits came into existence?
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  634. No true FE’er would say it was a sphere?
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  635. 1. They're fooling you to fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by ...means.... 3. To take economic benefit of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. To control your mind by...means....
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  636. Having explained to a FE'er how you can calculate the angle to Polaris from different points on a FE using trigonometry I get a handwaving claim of maths being different in the real world.
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  637. In what way do you think an idea that contradicts observable reality would be a valid explanation for observable reality?
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  638. Not sure what your question actually is but: The Earth rotates on its axis once per day. It orbits the sun once per year. Two separate motions.
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  639.  @homelesszaya6711  Do you understand what percentage means? If you're looking at a picture of an object 7,900 miles across then a 10 mile oblation at the pole would be less than 1 pixel difference. Just because you think 10 miles is a long way does not mean it remains prominent regardless of the scale of the object being considered. Did you learn about ratios and scale in school? WGS84 (World Geodetic System) is the measured shape of Earth down to about a cubic metre. The GPS system uses WGS84 for calculating the co-ordinates & distance it sends you. Land surveyors made the earlier model from the the 19th century onwards. Since space flight was developed, satellite geodesy has become the norm, relying on radio communications and radar to measure distances. "if a walls out if plum u can see it" Only when the distortion reaches the point where your eye can distinguish it and your eyes are not very sensitive when it comes to gauging distances. Not being able to readily observe something with your eyes does not mean it doesn't exist. It's why we rely on instruments for accurate measurements, not eyeballing. Ian was essentially asking if you understood the concept of shape. Regardless of what something is made of, a sphere is a sphere. It doesn't matter whether the sphere is Earth, basketball, golf ball or pool ball, it's a sphere. That you can't see the distortion of a basketball sitting on the ground does not mean there is no distortion; the distortion is not automatically gross enough for you to perceive. That is true for all spheres. Tyson referred to pear-shaped while talking about the slight bulge of the southern hemisphere. The distortion is even less than the polar oblation. He did not literally mean it resembles a pear, just used the term to convey where the distortion was. "I'm skeptical of all I learned as a child in school . Its all just regurgitating what u have been taught" Scepticism is wanting to know the basis for an assertion, not blowing it off as "regurgitation". The science you learn in school is the very basics; it's so long established that it can be taught as simple facts with demonstrations for your benefit. Only when you reach university level does it become important to know the exact basis for something. "I see far to many indescrepincies in the "science" " You not knowing or understanding something means precisely that; it is not a profound revelation that nobody knows or understands something or that there has been a colossal screw-up that nobody has noticed. "it's all just insult and banter" Everybody has pointed out the scale of the oblation relative to the Earth's radius. That you miss the point does not mean people are failing to answer your question, just that you aren't understanding what is said. Do remember that you are telling us that 10 is a large proportion of 3900. If you have questions then ask (politely) but be prepared to listen to the answers. If you don't understand something then say just that and ask for clarification; don't start telling other people that they don't know what they are talking about.
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  640. “Surely they would have the tech to zoom in enough” No.
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  641. Obviously just gotta be CGI. Strap him to the outside and it would obviously just gotta be VR.
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  642. They seem to apply inconsistent logic; if the use something personally and it works they will accept they don’t know how it works but if not then they insist that their ignorance is profound insight on something not working, even if somebody demonstrates that it works.
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  643. Why not test it for yourself? https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  644. For the benefit of those who are wondering if there is plausibility in the idea.
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  645. Phones existed, radio existed and a signal can be relayed through both media. The last part seems really difficult for some people to grasp.
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  646. No useful or agreed upon answer forthcoming. As for the latter, they either declare the pictures to be fake or a few insist all the continents are visible.
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  647.  @thefifthdimension7872  Valid in the sense that none can be disproven; there is no practical way to test the hypothesis.
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  648. Sort by newest first.
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  649. @Flamenkindi ""That's why you loose the position in the middle of nowhere" Except you don't; aircraft & shipping use it mid-ocean.
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  650. Stefan Patrascu Sigh. Explain how density can act as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  651. Stefan Patrascu So how do people float in the vomit comet?
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  652. Stefan Patrascu When none of you can answer questions, simply refer to screwy videos and wave your hands claiming worldwide conspiracies running for a few thousand years to fool you with the end-purpose of fooling you, why do you think people call you idiots?
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  653. It’s largely been replaced with “density makes things fall” though none of them can explain how, including the FE gurus.
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  654. Down is towards the centre of the globe. How difficult is that to grasp?
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  655. I wonder if Dave would like to make a list of FE counter-arguments? "I can easily refute it but I'm not going to." "It's all wrong but I can't say how exactly." "Watch this video that relies on the errors you just described." "We don't make any of those claims." "Open your eyes." "The Bible says it's flat." Any others? Then again he'd just be accumulating flak on a third video....
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  656. UK courts still have oaths but you can choose to affirm rather than swear on a Bible. To answer your question: personal choice.
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  657. It doesn’t. They either claim density acts as a force, though they can’t explain how or why in a particular direction, or they just claim that objects spontaneously move down because down is the direction objects move in.
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  658.  @dovski3161  He’s addressing FE’ers who have a limited grasp of terms. Buoyancy describes the action of something floating; buoyant force is the calculable force involved. He used buoyancy in place of buoyant force otherwise FE’ers would simply latch on the word force and assume he was agreeing that density is a force. FE’ers have no grasp of gravitational force being proportional to mass. To them it is either huge or zero. As I said, if the Earth was flat then gravity woukd reshape it as it has every other planet. Assuming Earth was magically able to resist this then the direction of down would vary across the surface, becoming increasingly oblique with distance from the centre.
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  659. Stupidity spreads. The notion that facts can be whatever you wish them to be can only be detrimental to society.
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  660. Perspective is not going to make anything rise; he was trying to come up with a plausible sounding explanation.
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  661.  @Hubin12  Immune response is not an automatic or instant cure.
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  662. The Church didn’t burn anybody for saying the Earth was round. The dispute was whether it was a geocentric or heliocentric system; as far as I’m aware nobody was burned simply for saying heliocentric.
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  663.  @petroleumalley  If it has an engine then wouldn't it be able to turn? Ah - no wheels!
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  664.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Has television improved with time?
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  665.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  You're sneering at the notion that technology can improve with time. Has television improved with time? Do you wish to argue the first broadcasts should have been in 4K with LCD screens & surround sound otherwise television didn't work at all?
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  666.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Televisions are dependent on scientific theory.
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  667.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  No electromagnetism in your televisions?
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  668.  @EdgeOfEntropy17  Your television needs to plugged into the wall to work and it picks up a signal from the air; you can’t see any relationship between electromagnetism and televisions?
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  669. Let me guess, you’re expected to work and you don’t get paid for it?
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  670.  @MrQuaiven  He didn’t place it there; he commanded an English translation be made.
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  671.  @bamuz  Ask your AI if it necessary to read a whole sentence to understand what the sentence is saying. I could put up a 1hr video of a clock ticking if you wish but I don’t see what difference it would make. I don’t see there is any necessity for advertising personal life simply to make commments.
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  672. How many people don’t know what a B side is?
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  673. The accelerating disc has been largely dropped; they finally twigged that a FE would approach light speed within a year. Gravity measurably decreases with increasing elevation and centrifugal force partially counters gravity the nearer you get to the equator; FE’ers explain neither.
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  674.  @Krugis  I remember somebody saying that a few days after the world ended on 21/Dec/2012. Apparently it was just “the beginning of the end”.
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  675. A sphere will appear round from every angle, a circle will not. There is more than one vantage point in the universe.
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  676. Some of them say photos of the globe are fake because they can’t see all the continents.
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  677. There are different forms of English; it depends on which is the person’s native form.
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  678.  @Blackninjafox13 Do you know what the answer to 360/25000 is?
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  679. BlackDuke07 You’re claiming the Earth is flat; the onus is on you to prove that, preferably without using the screwed up FE logic Prof Dave just described.
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  680. I’ve been asking FE’ers repeatedly for the last few years how they distinguish real from CGI. No joy yet. No explanation how CGI was achieved before CGI existed and very little understanding of what CGI actually exists. Blue Marble (the original) and Earthrise were shot on film years before computing power was capable of photoshopping, much less CGI.
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  681. If you’re using you brain then surely you can explain the flight?
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  682. What good points do you think FE’ers have?
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  683.  @HamaTheLonelyHana  What obligation is there for me to respect willful stupidity?
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  684. This is the fourth he’s made on the subject and it expresses the exasperation of dealing with people who claim they have the evidence & answers yet can’t produce either. Many of them still claim to be able to meet his challenges but none have done so.
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  685. You can observe effects arising from something that is itself unobservable.
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  686. Hypotheses die off because they are disproved. The FE was disproved 2500 years ago and we are still waiting on FE’ers to produce their claimed evidence, FE us not a science.
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  687.  @jamesgraham4242  Sea-level is an average value used worldwide as a zero point for measuring elevation.
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  688.  @20hztimanderson85  Let me guess - you didn’t bother to take elevation & refraction into account because you were only interested in curvature?
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  689. The company recognises two different pronunciations depending on which country it is.
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  690. Wonderful - another Great Witness…
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  691. Out of sight, out of mind. Other than some claiming an infinite column below the FE surface there are no claims.
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  692. “There are real facts that are hard to deny.” So FEers keep saying but neither you nor they ever say what those hallowed facts are.
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  693. "I can promise you you'll get no flat earth to even consider your ideas by insulting them." He's already gone through the polite approach in the first three videos, the last of which demonstrated the abysmal reasoning in their endlessly recurrent statements. They continue to insist they are right, their claims being the ones he debunked. This one is more forceful: FE'er keep insisting they have the answers to how it all really work so they ought have no problems meeting the challenges. To date: zero. "I'm just listening to arugments from both sides." I strongly suggest you watch his previous video; it will save you a lot of time & effort.
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  694. In reference to ONE specific picture that was s composite of low orbit shots.
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  695.  @theimportanceofbeing1335 The Southern Cross is close to the sourh celestial pile.
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  696.  @theimportanceofbeing1335  I was interrupted and thought I discarded that 😊 The south celestial pole and Southern Cross would be visible (clouds aside) throughout the course of the night and would not appear to move (other than polar rotation). Different people would be looking south in different directions on a FE all night. A rotating dome would lead to east-west motion across the sky.
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  697. There’s at least three scenarios for how construction of the pyramids was achievable.
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  698. But King & Emperor penguins prove that! 🐧
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  699. The logic is not for the benefit of the unpersuadable but those who are curious about the subject.
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  700. When you automatically reject proof out of hand what do you think you would accept?
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  701. This is the third video he made on the subject and was as polite as you wish in the first two. He was met with a lot of vitriol and these claims being endlessly repeated by “thinkers” despite the obvious fallacies. Most people’s patience would be stretched.
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  702. And thus would appear oval to most observers.
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  703.  @TruthhurtsYa  So what’s your technique for identifying CGI?
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  704. You realise the Koran was written a millennium after the Earth was deduced to be a globe?
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  705. "a mass say in a bucket" Use the diameter of the bucket to calculate the degrees of curvature across the surface then think about why you can't see it.. (360 degrees in a circle). "Earth spins at about 1670 kilometers per hour " Which is the tangential velocity. The rotational velocity is once per day, half the speed of a clock's hour hand. "water running up hill is just an allusion there's many roads the same" Running south to north is not uphill. Uphill woudl be from a lower elevation to a higher elevation and elevation is not curvature. "how is it that you can see the moon in Americas sky at night and at the same time see it in the day time in Australia?" Because it is 259,000 miles away.
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  706. It’s the main cause of tides.
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  707. a productive use of my time | Socratic irony When provided with the requested explanations & evidence that the Earth is a globe and why it can’t be flat, in what way are people “wanting the truth” in refusing to listen?
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  708.  @GilTheKing-yx7gz  The sun rising & setting disproves FE; it doesn't need anybody to arrange it.
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  709. A law is a description of a natural phenomenon; it offers no explanation as to how the phenomenon occurs. Law if gravity notes the relationship between attraction, mass and distance. Theory of gravity is an explanation for why the attraction occurs. A fact is simply a nugget of information, eg, if you let go of an steel ball it falls. A hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an action & result, from which predictions can be made and the hypothesis tested. Most will be disproved; science is largely a process of elimination. Over time multiple hypotheses become combined as lines of enquiry converge. That leads to an overarching theory which will be accepted as a working explanation once people are satisfied that it is comprehensive, accurately predictive and no alternatives are viable. It does not change to a law; theory & law are quite different things.
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  710. He’s just parotting the meaningless assertion that “spectroscopy needs a container” with no understanding why it would or wouldn’t.
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  711. The Coriolis effect rather than the rotation itself.
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  712. You don’t fall if you’re inside a Faraday cage?
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  713. Gove an example of an unknown variable?
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  714.  @EBDavis111  "They had a word for spheres, and they had a word for flat circles" Modern Hebrew does; ancient Hebrew did not. There was a common word for circle & sphere, the distinction being in the context.
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  715. Testing high altitude nuclear explosions for the long range effects of the EMP pulse on communications and ascertain how the explosions were affecting the Van Allen belts.
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  716. Capt'Wes Starwind It’s OK; he didn’t mention the sealions.
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  717. But, but, but....anything outside the box just gotta be right!!!
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  718. Mark Twain.
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  719.  @black97iä  Try Greater Sapien; he's been working through the 200 Proofs.
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  720. It was never in.
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  721. Conservation of momentum; you continue moving forwards when you jump in the same way a thrown ball continues to move when it leaves your hand.
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  722.  @titan9259 As can the ground and every object the sun has shone on but all that’s beyond his understanding.
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  723.  @rza380. If there is daylight at all then the sun is present.
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  724. 24hr sun in Antarctica?
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  725. If you aren’t prepared to do any calculations then how would you predict how far you could see on a globe?
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  726.  @spadesandaces4543  All but the most illiterate use full stops to make sentences clear.
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  727. He made two previous videos that run through the usual arguments and explained (politely) where they screw up. Even with clear explanations umpteen FE’ers continued to be adamant they were right and he was wrong for reasons they knew but couldn’t explain. After a year of that idiocy anybody’s patience would be strained.
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  728. And yet your computer works…
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  729.  @onatics  Which government?
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  730. The existence of indirect flights does not magically preclude the existence of direct flights. It’s cost efficient to have flights where people most want to travel. Few people are going to travel directly between the southern continents so there are fewer flights; there is more demand for flights to & from the populous north continents.
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  731. Presumably being a FE'er grants your body supersenses to feel motion rather than just acceleration. It does seem to come at the cost of being able to comprehend numbers and scale, e.g. the ability to distinguish one rotation per day from one rotation per second, 1 metre from 1 lightyear or one day from one millenium.
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  732. It’s long since been illegal in the US for pharmaceutical companies to give doctors any freebies above nominal value (essentially pens & post-its allowed). Opioids are effective painkillers; they aren’t being handed out willy-nilly.
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  733.  @savedbygrace8337 False dichotomy; you’re assuming there can only be intense thunderstorms or still air.
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  734. 0/10 then. What a surprise. Watch his previous video on the subject.
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  735.  @hymeringfamily9711  “Every real virologist” All of whom are Scotsmen?
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  736. FE’ers have had multiple people explain what is wrong with their reasoning but keep repeating it. This response to this video was to repeat the comments again. It’s not arrogance; it’s irritation at the willful stupidity.
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  737. Do you wait for the green man before crossing a busy road?
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  738.  @minkymott  "Why does it take longer to go one way" There are prevailing winds at flight altitudes; flying into the wind means the flight in that direction takes longer.
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  739. He had been on the receiving end of FE vitriol for months for making his astronomy course video that explained how we know the Earth is a sphere. Most of the FE slam-dunk "evidence" is covered in the above 10 points; their reasoning is superficial at best and reliant on ignorance & incredulity, not actual thought. Their response is more vitriol and repeating these points for the two years since, not actually refuting them. They are not pleasant or intelligent people to deal with.
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  740.  @Chamorropinoyboi  Do you want to explain how you think NASA is photoshopping the content of amateur cameras?
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  741. It does and doesn't depending on what they need at that moment. I haven't managed to extract an explanation from any of them.
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  742.  @eaglebauer944  Like the one was looking for the Coriolis effect on his tennis serve?
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  743.  @stevenhornsby356 You can’t figure out why you can see a mountain over the horizon? What’s a key factor for defining a mountain?
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  744.  @stevenhornsby356  Which do you consider more likely and why? A: There's a totally pointless conspiracy requiring the direct involvement of millions being running undiscovered for millenia. B: You're overlooking a key factor.
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  745. What is there in a vacuum that can be constrained?
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  746. The non-domers just say little lights in the sky at one unspecified height.
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  747. You need to see his earlier (polite) videos, what the FE comments and claims were and this will become much clearer.
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  748.  @reddishtykes  If they were banned or censored then the videos & their parent channels would no longer exist on YT.
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  749. "Round earthers are giving proof just like flat earthers" Round Earth corresponds with observable reality and is accurately & reliable predictive. It's used to put satellites into orbit, some of which are photographing the Earth. That FE'ers won't accept evidence they don't want to hear means they are wilfully stupid, not insightful.
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  750. "It's different therefore it just gotta be right" is stupidity, not open-mindedness. When given explanations & evidence they didn't know FEers automatically refuse to consider them; that is close-mindedness. When we analyse their ideas and can tell them what is wrong and why it is wrong it means we have considered their ideas; that is open-mindedness.
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  751. Outside the box perhaps but not thinking. We disprove most of their claims simply by pointing out the factors they haven’t taken jnto account.
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  752.  @dillpickle2132  Something along the lines of “that’s not important, you need to open your eyes”.
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  753. Too technical for them.
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  754. ….and myocarditis still remains rare.
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  755. Attraction is towards the centre of mass, not the bottom. You’re visualising Earth as a ball resting on the ground, where the attraction is towards the ground. In your question Earth and ground are synonymous.
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  756. How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction? You think you know the answer so try answering.
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  757. The molecule H2O is usually called water regardless of its physical state.
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  758. Why would it bunch up at the gravity? Why wouldn’t you expect it be evenly spread across the globe?
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  759. Not good for health & safety as I recall :-)
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  760. FE’ers are agreed on two points: the Earth is flat and they are agreed on the details. What these agreed upon details are varies markedly. Some think the FE is finite, reaching an edge after the impenetrable dome and insurmountable icewall that do/don’t exist but others think there is infinite land beyond the wall/dome that do/don’t exist.
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  761. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity as it moves across the sky?
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  762. They generally deny planets exist and wouldn’t be able to figure how temperature can be measured without them going there to do it.
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  763. They can’t explain it but remain convinced the explanations are correct.
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  764. Buck Rogers It’s not pear-shaped (and nobody is seriously claiming it is) but slightly deviates from a perfect sphere; the deviation is too small to be discernible to the eye. The plane’s artificial horizon is to maintain level flight, not measure the horizon. Long range snipers need to take Coriolis force into account.
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  765.  @DDooMRooMM  They wouldn't look entirely different but different stars would become visible and some familiar ones disappear which is what he is getting at.
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  766.  @DamianMealor FEers do it just above the water because the refraction is maximised, enabling to see further. It’s why Rowbotham made his sighting lying on the iced over canal while Wallace used bridges for his sighting point.
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  767. Charger Fan NY deleted his comment after 10 minutes? Is that a record?
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  768. Tesla never said he thought gravity didn’t exist. Explain why objects fall inside a Faraday cage.
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  769. Their algorithms downgrade some subjects, not censor them.
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  770. Any of the ten would be a novelty.
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  771. "The Bible refers to the Earth being flat in certain passages" The OT predates the ancient Greeks; it was still assumed that the Earth was flat and that is sometimes reflected in the phrasing used when referring to the world but it does not teach anything about the shape of the Earth. By the time the NT was written the Earth was accepted to be a sphere (at least by the educated); there is no teaching from Jesus saying otherwise.
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  772. It’s why scientists focus on disproving hypotheses.
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  773.  @TheRealWattLife His next video in the series.
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  774. You didn't notice Covid disrupting air travel?
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  775.  @ekiskaliburnirvana9047  I’m not prepared to sit through 26 min for a view of wires; give a time stamp.
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  776. Why not tell us what this real definition of FE is? Even just one of you divulging the details would solve your complaint.
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  777. The space penguins that have genetically modified for squeegee flippers.
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  778.  @josephprettner6696  That went over your head, didn't it? Where lasers have been used to "prove" there is no curvature the effects of divergence & refraction have been ignored. Even the divergence alone means the beam is so wide at the receiving end there is no way to demonstrate whether or not there is a drop.
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  779. Isaiah 33:22 Only the KJV uses the word firmament.
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  780.  @brendymcc7788  "Not space station or mosaic sattelite image like a live image of earth space in real time" Where would you like the cameras mounted and what difference would it make exactly?
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  781.  @_Alhemist  The GPS signals are one way; the different satellites transmit their signals, ship possesses a GPS receiver that picks up at least three signals and calculates the ship's position using the difference in timing between the identified satellites. If you wish to claim that GPS satellites are just balloons then you need to explain how they remain aloft and in continuous motion for years on end, following tracks totally unaffected by atmospheric conditions. You're the another FE'er claiming to have the razor-sharp understanding of how it all really works but I don't doubt you will not answer, just like all the rest of you. How difficult is it for even one of you to produce the answers you all claim to possess?
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  782.  @_Alhemist  Try explaining your system first.
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  783.  @_Alhemist  Try explaining your system. How difficult can it be?
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  784.  @_Alhemist  Explain your system.
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  785.  @petspro3453  Don't forget all means of communication are intercepted altered by They. The pigeons have inbred instinct to divert to They HQ while en route home.
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  786.  @keku794  Go and watch his earliest videos on the subject.
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  787. As well as automatically denying gravity they have great difficulty in understanding that more than factor can act simultaneously. This is aimed at the wilfully dumb.
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  788. Pressure on a scale. If you know the strength of the location’s gravity then mass can be derived from weight. Density is the ratio of mass to unit volume. Density does not determine mass.
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  789.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  One hopes…
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  790. If you referring to what I think you are then the requirement is actually to prove the incorrect equation for curvature is the correct one.
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  791.  @deltatransports6131  Indirect flight do not preclude the existence of direct flights; saying you can find indirect flights means nothing. Neither are indirect flights stopovers to refuel; they are a series of unrelated flights on shorter, busier routes that someone can froghop to act as a seat filler on each. The example given is a direct flight. You need to debunk that.
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  792.  @deltatransports6131  Obviously you don't have an enquiring mind; you just stop without thinking.
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  793. Everest is 5.5 miles high; the Earth’s radius is 3,900 miles. The variation in elevation has no significant effect upon its shape. Oblation reduces the radius by about 10 miles.
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  794.  @MCD.215  The only jagged bit would be mountains which means elevation. Are you saying there is a bite out of Earth (like the Apple logo) that They are hushing up?
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  795.  @Eaglez27  Not so open your brains fall out. Motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude, lunar eclipses; that’s how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere. Still waiting on the FE explanations.
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  796. The Law of Just Does.
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  797. UFO INVASION How far you can see is determined by curvature, your elevation, the object’s elevation and atmospheric refraction. FE’ers just use curvature in their calculation and think they’ve discovered something. Try zooming the sun back after sunset then think.
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  798.  @TruthhurtsYa  You need to calculate that as angle change per distance. You realise that the autopilot is constantly correcting to handle far more significant changes?
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  799. Any air in the airlock would expand into the vacuum, the air that is behind you pushing you out of the airlock. If the airlock already has the same pressure as outside then you don’t move.
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  800. Ethan P No, pushed. That is why I used the verb pushed and described what would be pushing you.
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  801.  @scoutwithoutclout  The globe is to scale; projections of the globe onto a 2D surface have distortions which distorts scale. A FE would require mapping a 2D surface into a 2D surface; assuming accurate point to point distances it would be to scale. Many FE’ers insist the map is an accurate map of a FE and thus you would reasonably expect it to be to scale.
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  802.  @scoutwithoutclout  They hail the Gleason projection as being the definitive map of FE, not a conceptual work. Cartographic errors aside, there is no reason to suppose an accurate 2D map of a 2D surface would not be to scale.
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  803.  @scoutwithoutclout  The Earth's deviation away from a perfect sphere is minimal and thus is inconsequential for the point being made. It's near as damn it a perfect sphere and thus a consistent scale can be accurately applied to the whole surface. Only if you wish to get purist is there a deviation in which case look up WGS84. It is not the same problem as distortion from projecting a globe map on to a 2D surface or the inability of FE'ers to produce a map with a consistent scale. I suggest you look up Asimov's essay The Relativity of Wrong. Individual FE'ers do not agree on much, including the existence & format of the supposed FE map. They usually opt for one of three things: A. The Gleason projection is an accurate map of the FE. B. There is a FE map other than the Gleason projection that they have all seen and some claim they possess but none can produce. C. That it is impossible to make any map with a consistent scale, usually quoting the Mercator projection as an example with no understanding as to why that is distorted and why that criticism it wouldn't apply to a FE map. Only the first option supplies a map so that is what we have to work with. Since it is supposed to be an accurate 2D depiction of a 2D surface you would not expect to find an inconsistent scale.
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  804.  @scoutwithoutclout  I would not that with your examples (communist & anarchist etc) that you are referring to differences of opinion. I agree that there has been a shift way from reasoned discussion to denigration and that such a shift is not a healthy one. With the physical shape of the Earth we are talking about a fact, not an opinion. It's accurately measured, what we observe every day is consistent only with a globe and recently in history we have abundant photographs from every angle. The shape is clearly determined and is not a matter of opinion. It is straightforward to prove that it is not flat - the motion of the sun alone is inconsistent with any FE notions - and we have explained why it doesn't work to FE'ers repeatedly. Some of them stick with it and insist everything is explained (somewhere); this video is trying to extract an answer from the people who claim to possess it.
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  805.  @bill2181  cartography & seismology. Who did the measurements for a FE when FE’ers have such difficulty with the concept of measurement?
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  806.  @seanknight2516  Sarcasm doesn't carry well in a text-only environment, especially when you get people making the same statement in all seriousness.
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  807.  @Xavier17.5  Third law of motion; the hot gas from the combustion chamber goes one way, the rocket goes the other. Gravity is not an irresistible force; its quite finite, like any other force.
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  808. How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself?
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  809. You need to distinguish between direct & connecting flights. Either ask specifically for direct flights your search or look into airlines based in those countries, eg, Qantas.
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  810. What data in favour of FE?
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  811. Centrifugal force at the equator (where it will be the strongest) is less than 0.3% the strength of gravity.
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  812. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Still waiting on the FE’er explanations.
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  813.  @benfran8011 To reproduce any experiment you need to possess the methodology; your description is too indeterminate and doesn’t cover the possible variables.
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  814. Hence jokes about AK47-wielding penguins.
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  815. “trips around the world that took 3-4 years” I assume you are referring to folks like Cook & Magellan whose voyages are well-documented. That documentation includes the courses taken; why do you ignore that information?
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  816.  @Krugis  Given the amount of hairs the dog shed you would swear our house was made of fur. 😊
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  817.  @cynicalsandw_o All mass is pulled to Earth; since denser objects have more mass per unit size they displace less dense objects upwards eg, helium balloons. There is constant motion of molecules within fluids. Aerosols are small “bubbles” with a high ratio of surface area to volume; consequently they are more affected by the air’s motion. That motion can exceed the gravitational pull on their small mass and they remain afloat.
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  818. What makes you think the Apollo missions needed to burn fuel all the way there & back?
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  819. Did you understand the title?
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  820.  @prasadjonnalagedda8633  Since the sun is not a point source and has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees when viewed from Earth, there will be up to 0.5 degrees divergence from parallel. Hence the request for you to try drawing a triangle with a 0.5 degree angle; the two long sides are essentially parallel.
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  821. All it would require to disprove it would be a FE’er who understood the science, rather than thinks he understands it.
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  822. Moon phases are due to the relative orientation of moon, Earth & sun as the moon orbits the Earth; you’re looking at the sunlit half of the moon.
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  823.  @theglobelie9046  "polaris would have zoomed by your spinning ball millions of years ago" How exactly do you conclude that? Are you just assuming that only Earth is in motion in astronomy?
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  824. They think the sun illuminates only a limited, misshapen area at a time according to the Law of Just Does.
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  825.  @thesun4688  Katrina is a female name; do you mean her questions? I answered them; do I need to clarify something for you?
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  826. Rowbotham was on a religious anti-science bender; being Biblical was far more important to him that matching reality.
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  827.  @SirBentleyDoodle  The aim here was demonstrate that their FE guru didn’t have the evidence & explanations that they proclaim him to.
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  828. Try considering 360/25000
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  829. Weiss is/was hailed as one of the steelmen. That’s the quality of FE reasoning.
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  830. Firstly it's fact rather than opinion and secondly he's already done this politely and been met by a flood of abuse from willfully ignorant idiots professing to have profound insight on the subject, none of whom can actually answer questions despite professing the depth of their knowledge & understanding. This video reduces it to some simple reasoning and they still can't grasp it.
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  831. It is recognised that FE'er are only a tiny minority within religious people, that FE is not representative of religious teachings and that religion generally accepts what science has determined. Most FE'ers seem to have religious fervour and will at some point resort to waving a Bible around as their "proof".
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  832. Mean sea level is a fixed height used for reference.
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  833.  @a_diamond  There ate mo links appearing in your OP. You’re able to see them because you posted the comment but nobody else can. Be it tides or flooding, without those links you appear to be saying sea level (as a reference point) changes with tides or sporadic flooding rather climate change causing a long term change in physical sea levels.
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  834.  @calvinzundel5725  "mysteriously all the data from that trip disappeared" No, eventually telemetry tapes became technologically outdated and were replaced. In the days of CDs, DVDs, flash drives, hard drives, SSD and the cloud the concept of data being transferable is apparently beyond the grasp of some people who transfer data when they read their text & email. Some tapes still exist with one piece of equipment in the world capable of reading them; the set of tapes that contained the recording of the EVA was found to have been erased or mislabelled. Two different facts. "all pics of earth from space are cgi" We're still waiting for someone to provide an explanation of how they are identifying CGI. "I'm sure there is something beyond the wall" What wall? Still no evidence to indicate such a wall exists. "why else would every country in the world sign an agreement to not allow private exploration of antiartica?" No such treaty exists. There is a treaty agreeing to no territorial claims or development in Antarctica, but nothing that prevents private exploration. Two people finished solo expeditions across Antarctica just a few months ago. "I don't know how high the firmament is" We're still waiting on someone to provide evidence of such a firmament. All we ever get are assertions that all tests with nuclear weapons that weren't at ground-level just gotta have been trying to crack the dome regardless of the height varying from 2000 ft to 200 miles. Try asking yourself why you can't rebut the video.
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  835.  @metanoian965  All aircraft use the globe map which is definitely spherical. We are still waiting on FE’ers to produce a usable FE map.
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  836.  @metanoian965  I told you how the Earth was deduced to be a sphere with readily observable data. What do you think the problem is exactly?
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  837. At the time smoking was not known to cause cancer; the death rate from as yet uncontrolled diseases kept cancer a rarity. The benefit was seen to be in the relaxation and mental clarity that came from nicotine intake. Context is important.
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  838. Dreamer ofDreams In science those ideas have to be backed by evidence and a rationale. When FE’ers require observable reality to be wrong to support the validity of an idea that they can’t provide rational reasoning why do you consider their ideas to have equal validity?
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  839. Xenobiology is looking at compounds that don’t occur in nature but which could support life. The compounds exist.
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  840.  @vitzuja5943  Pointing out what they work on is irrelevant to a claim saying they don’t work on anything?
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  841. Either they don’t exist or are just lights.
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  842.  @jaymercer4692 I take it you’ve never dealt with FE’ers. They insist they know everything, can explain everything and the rest of us are mindless twerps who can’t figure things out but mysteriously they can’t actually come up with the Real Answers, Real Map, Real Physics, Real Maths etc. just insults & canards.
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  843. At the point he made the video he’s had a year of vitriol from FE’ers claiming they have everything worked out though mysteriously none of them could provide answers, map, model or evidence. They aren’t open to reasoning or gentle persuasion. You can demonstrate their idiocy.
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  844.  @atamisk21  Why wouldn’t a sun dial work on a globe? How did Airy prove aether existed when he found no evidence of its existence? How did he prove the Earth wasn’t a globe? Why do you think the world’s only observer would always be standing at the north pole? How does the FE sun change tangential velocity?
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  845. Check out his videos under Recent Uploads.
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  846.  @andrewjohn8742  What does Dawkins say that you consider dogmatic?
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  847.  @charliet1175  More than one force can act simultaneously. Since the ping pong ball would have a greater surface area per unit mass than the brick it would encounter more drag and be slowed. You need to try dropping both in a vacuum chamber; without air to provide drag they will both accelerate to the ground at 9.8m/s^2.
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  848. In addition to Matthew’s comment, FE’ers seem to regard perspective as a fixed but unspecified distance beyond which your eye can’t see beyond for reasons they never explain. They don’t seem to have (and don’t want) any concept of perspective, angular size and visual acuity.
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  849. The sun observably rises & sets and FE are “seeing nature as it is” when they advocate a model that wouldn’t bring the sun within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  850. Because both think denial is scepticism.
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  851. Justin Kennedy Did he actually give references?
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  852.  @kennyjharland  Any projection of a 3D surface onto a 2D surface is going to produce distortion; the greater the area, the more distortion there is. Assuming it is competently done, mapping a sphere to a globe will be accurate.
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  853. He may have a plausible sounding response but he doesn’t have answers. Watch all the FE videos Prof Dave has made, in order.
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  854. Read by newest first. There aren’t many FE replies though.
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  855. Scale. The stars are 10’s to 1000’s light years away. The difference in position from the Earth’s orbit is apparent only with instruments. Since everything is moving in the same general direction (rotation around the centre of the galaxy) there is no obvious change in stars’ positions in a human lifetime, just small changes over 10,000 years.
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  856. They don’t even have that. That Blue Marble 2 is a composite was never a secret is it the only photo of Earth. That it’s called Blue Marble ->2<- should be a clue to that.
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  857. They conflate elevation and curvature. Their frame of reference is a flat plane; they see curvature as a hill on that plane and assume sea level to be parallel to it.
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  858.  @duanefromjustice316  There is a significant difference between isolated and engineered.
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  859.  @duanefromjustice316  There was no gain of function, simply a change in one of the constituent genes. That does occur in nature and there is no indication it is artificial.
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  860. Middle school science rarely changes though curricula might.
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  861. Denial.
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  862. Take a look at his other video on the subject: "The 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say"
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  863.  @Opinlinz  You aren’t aware that NASA isn’t the only space agency?
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  864. It’s more gor the benefit of those who are wondering if there is any validity to FE’er claims. There’s also morbid humour in watching FE’ers who think repeating the claims somehow invalidates Prof Dave’s critique.
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  865.  @dia2149  You don't find it strange that you all "know" but that none of you can say why except by quoting debunked claims? Why don'y you try debunking what Prof Dave said? Have a go at his 10 Challenges?
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  866. How do they move? They don't tend to think through on what they suggest. If the dome is such hard material it can supposedly withstand nuclear detonations on its surface (apparently demonstrated by the spherical expanding cloud being unimpeded by said dome, though they won't explain how because that hadn't occurred to them) how can the protruding bulge move? How does it rise & set? Why doesn't it change size through the course of the day? Why doesn't the whole world have one time zone?
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  867.  @spacefanboy  Driver’s petmits are withheld to dtop prople driving north-south?
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  868.  @nejcpanic6704  The Gofast rocket stopped moving because the fuel was shut off as programmed. If it had impacted "the dome" at hundreds of miles per hour the impact would have been obvious; the camera taking the video isn't even jarred. Nobody has brought the set sun back. There are people who zoom in on the sun when it is low in the horizon, the brightness of the sun ramps up the automatic anti-glare filter on the camera. the sun appears to shrink in diameter as the surrounding glare is reduced and the gap between sun & ground appears to increase.
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  869.  @hjalfi  I use reason and I keep it simple as I can; the problem is their inability to understand anything beyond the overly simplistic. We're talking about people with no sense of scale or measurement, who think numbers are there to confuse them, who don't understand the difference between linear and rotational motion and are flummoxed by the notion of more than one factor or variable. In world of 7bn+ people, seemingly none of them are capable of thinking beyond their own observation point; the concept of more than one frame of reference appears to be beyond their mental capacity. I'm not calling people names in referring to conmen; that is what they are. Some of them are in it for what money they can make while others simply seem to get a kick out of fooling people.
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  870.  @hjalfi  "I should lead it to the cleanest, most potable source of water " Try doing it for a while then get back to us.
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  871.  @daviddolezal7950  Where do you think atmosphere is next to vacuum on a globe?
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  872.  @hillbillybeerdranker6678  And yet the people who crossed Antarctica dud find any edge. Yacht races arrive back where started after 15,000 miles.
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  873. At this stage in the series it is long apparent that FE’ers can’t provide answers or actually think, just repeat crap sold to them by their gurus. This couches the simplest of questions in the simplest of diagrams in the knowledge there will be FE’ers still denying the obvious and proclaiming their mental prowess.
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  874. There’s nothing about daytime & nighttime being created before the sun & moon, just the use of the word day as a unit of time.
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  875. What flights exist reflect demand for those routes; if there are too few people to justify a direct flight then you need to take indirect flights.
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  876.  @muhammadnourhereh4581  Religion fervour is the driving force for many of them; no religion actually teaches the Earth is flat. They want reality to be very different from what science has deduced it to be to prop up the notion that science degrades religious purity. They want to be the purists, will reject reality if that weakens their religious reasoning and consider anybody pointing out the errors & omissions to be religious persecution.
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  877. So Newton discovered a force and because he put a name to it that makrs the force itself made up? The formula calculates the attractive force between two masses.
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  878. Just ask for rebuttals and people will be more helpful. Don’t start “I’m not a flatearther but…”.
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  879. Why would you not rise if there is greater pressure at lower altitudes?
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  880. I take it you neither watched the video nor read the title?
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  881. Do you want to say what these more convincing points are? FE'ers are deeply reluctant to do so.
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  882.  @j.e.wattes8991  It's a reasonable question and indicates curiosity rather than stupidity; you unwittingly stepped in a cowpat asking it here :-( Conservation of momentum. Everything - Earth, atmosphere, helicopter - is rotating eastwards at the same speed. An object retains whatever momentum it possesses; any change (e.g., from engines) modifies that momentum rather than replacing it. Unless the helicopter makes a specific change in direction it will continue moving eastwards. It's not as obvious as it may sound, hence the misconception. If you jumped up & down on a plane you wouldn't expect to smash into the rear bulkhead; if you jumped out of the plane (hopefully with parachute) then you would intuitively expect your forward momentum to cease and you would fall vertically. (Air resistance reduces your forward momentum until you are at the same speed as the air, so the early part of the jump would be a curve.)
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  883.  @noblecyborg-savage The ballast tanks or the oil spill dispersant sprayer?
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  884.  @stgnsw  As has been explained Covid has disrupted flights; right now a stop-off in Auckland is economically necessary. Given the distance between NZ and Chile, it is a moot point whether the plane goes direct to Sydney or pauses in Auckland; the distance is impossibly large on a FE.
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  885. They keep claiming perspective makes things disappear from the bottom up but always decline to explain how they think that could happen.
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  886. Very much. They aren’t aware the word firmament was only used in the KJV translation, not the original text.
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  887.  @JustDorkyMe17  Open-minded is the willingness to listen to and consider alternative ideas; when the ideas are ignorant BS it is not close-minded to say so. They get made fun of because they reject anything that contradicts what they want to believe, not matter how obvious or demonstrable, are happy to accept self-contradictory notions without questions and are eager to demonstrate their lack of understanding of subject. Some One has just claimed Newton refuted gravity with no understanding of what Newton was saying or what refute actually means and has given you the names of conmen as reliable sources. "almost everyone gets information about anything from youtube" Indeed. However the information being on YT does not make it automatically right, insightful or revelatory; if somebody has any sense they check the reliability of the source. If it's out of step with those with expertise then it far more likely to be wrong rather than right. "shown me some pretty convincing evidence towards flat earth" If you want to give an example I'm sure people will be happy to explain.
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  888. As in no deviation to the left or right; the trajectory would be arced as it is for every projectile.
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  889. Lies to what end?
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  890.  @Mrnjaogass Lakes are shallow compared to seas; there’s less water moving and thus less volume displacement that manifests as tides.
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  891. ​ @DemigodoftheSea  If you;re wishing to prove something then technically correct is the only correct.
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  892.  @DemigodoftheSea  A wild-type virus can be leaked; a virus can be developed without leaking it. The distinction is very relevant if you want to know what the truth is, rather than jumping to the conclusion you would like to hear.
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  893. Valentín Karámanliev I cant stir my tea unless it is in a sealed container?
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  894.  @Thanos777. What do you expect to happen from inertia as the Earth rotates?
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  895. ​ @Thanos777.  Frisbees say otherwise; without rotational inertia they would be pointless. What force do you think is being applied to the frisbee to keep it spinning mid-air? A scientific theory is an explained for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive observation & experimentation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. The moon causes tides; it does not cause the seas to exist in the first place. What do you expect the moon to do to clouds and why? You need to provide evidence of electromagnetic attraction being a substitute for gravity. 1666km/h is a linear velocity. Nothing rotates in a straight line. Try again. That you can't make sense of multiple frames of reference or distinguish between linear & rotational motion is your problem, not the globe's. When there is air, there is air pressure. Air has mass; it is susceptible to gravity whether you like it or not. Why would you expect to feel motion when your body has no means to feel it? What do you think we do in labs? Linear inertia does not magically preclude rotational inertia. You still haven't answered my original question: what do you expect to happen from inertia as the Earth rotates? Nor have you produced any explanation for horizons, motion of the sun & stars, angle to Polaris matching latitude, visible constellations changing with latitude & season and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow, Why can't FEers do it?
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  896. "I’m definitely not a flat earther" When somebody starts with that then it's a pretty fair bet that they are a FE'er. FE'ers agree on two things: that the Earth is flat and that they are agreed on the details. Each one seems to have their own version of FE, all of which they hail as the definitive, agreed upon model. They don't provide explanations for how any of it could actually work or why observable reality differs from what they predict; they concentrate merely on being different. Generally their assertions are based on brief, simplistic, intuitive reasoning; I suggest you watch one of Prof Dave's early videos on the subject, 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say, for the errors in their fundamental reasoning. David Weiss is one of their gurus who supposedly has all the answers & evidence to totally blow away our current understanding of how the Earth works. As this video demonstrates, that is based on him making vague claims that science is wrong and posing "unanswerable" questions that have been answered for centuries or even millenia, not actually producing any explanations & evidence. It was necessary to demonstrate to his acolytes that he couldn't do so.
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  897.  @elantrauma The bulk do not make money from it; many spend money buying junk from the few that do sell it.
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  898. Apparently it shines in all directions but only down onto a regular but grossly misshapen area.
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  899. What do you think he is missing?
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  900. Petroleumalley If enough of us do that then will gravity cease to exist?
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  901. Venus’s ORBIT lies between Earth & sun. The planet itself moves around its orbit faster than Earth; it’s not going to be lying directly between Earth & sun most of the time. From Earth it can appear upto 20 degrees away from the sun.
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  902. Why would a meniscus preclude water curving around a globe?
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  903. Presumably the polar bears are warding off ships & planes :-)
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  904. Many international routes are still disrupted from Covid. You need to search well ahead or check the Auckland to Santiago fill-in flight.
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  905. If the car isn’t accelerating or being driven too fast then the air resistance would be minimal. Yiu would be likely to slip and fall in the street though 😊
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  906.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Only if you use just two observation points. Difficult as it is for FE’ers to understand, when you use more than two points it is apparent that the sun is not local or the Earth flat. Explain how a plane can look down on the FE sun just above the clouds but can’t get high enough to fly over the sun.
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  907.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  The only way you would get a "hot spot" immediately beneath the sun is if it was just above the clouds. That also begs the question as to how there could be a "hot spot" without the clouds instantly evaporating. It also brings it back to my original point; how can the sun be above & below an aircraft simultaneously? "Perspective of the sun circling the Earth and getting far way is why you see Sun..." ...would be the sun greatly changing in angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day. Both observably remain constant, clearly indicative of a distant sun. If you are going to argue a local sun is still possible then have the guts to explain how it would maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity.
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  908.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  "By hotspot I really meant light beneath, not temperature, so my point stands, the sun is way above the clouds" Which would require the sun to be a very narrow spotlight, which could not appear as a sphere. "In globe model all sun rays should be perpendicular." I assume by hotspot you refer to a particular picture in which there is a yellow patch on the cloud with the sun apparently just above it. Essentially there is a lake beneath the clouds; the sun is near the horizon with a clear path to the lake; blue light is absorbed by the water, the rest reflected back upwards giving the appearance of a yellow patch. "If the radius gets bigger or smaller,the velocity may vary throughout seasons" We're talking about the predictable change size & velocity that would occur in the course of a day; why is the FE sun magically immune from perspective? Why can't one of you just answer the question if you all have it figured out? "Funny, wish I had more proof but somehow theres no clean rocket or satellite footage from high orbit, how convenient" Our current launch rockets only go to low orbit, even which shows you that the Earth is a sphere. High orbit satellites are released there then onboard rockets propel them out to high orbit; the process takes days, not minutes. Himawari-8 & Elektro-L satellite are in geostationary orbit (high orbit) while EPIC is at the L1 point, collectively returning several pictures per hour.
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  909. PaxRomana You never wondered why it was big news when Chicago was visible at that distance?
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  910.  @imjustanant  <eyeroll> Did you not wonder why seeing Chicago would be big news if it could always be seen? Do you think there's a news item in the area every evening: "Chicago still visible!!!!"?
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  911. ​ @imjustanant  "I've been there dozens of times and only saw Chicago once from sea level" Would it not make more sense to ask what could have been different on the one occasion you did see it? The humidity over the a lake may make a view hazy but also refracts the light enabling you to see a little over the curve. A drop in humidity would give a clearer view but the viewing distance would actually decrease.
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  912.  @imjustanant  Most are inverted, some are not; depends on the air layers. You are claiming that, if not for the haze, Chicago would be constantly visible; an IR photo (other than when a mirage is present) would prove that. Plenty of people have witnessed a mirage, inverted or not, but has anyone taken the required IR photo? As you say, it would be simple to obtain but has anyone actually done it? First assumes one effect (boat disappearing from view) can only have one cause; the boat may have become too far away to see (zooming brings it back) or has passed over the curve (can't be brought back). According to FE theory zooming on the sun after it has set should bring it back but nobody has demonstrated that. The rest relies on denying mirages exist and can't doesn't understand the important roles that observer elevation and object height play in how far you can see something. Surely you have noticed that you can see further from the top of a building or hill than you can from ground level? So far you haven't produced anything other than incredulity. Try coming up with the IR photo.
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  913. ​ @imjustanant  Key points of any science experiment is falsifiability and reproducibility. You make a prediction according to your hypothesis then perform tests that would not work if your hypothesis is incorrect. Your prediction is that Chicago would be visible from a certain location only if your hypothesis of a FE is correct. A shot from a mile down the coast would demonstrate nothing; if can be accounted for by the existing model then you haven't demonstrated that your model is more accurate. The conditions during repeated tests need to be as close as possible to identical. How far you should be able to see is dependent on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction; all three have to be accounted for, not just one (the usual FE screw-up) and correctly accounted for (the other usual FE screw-up; 8"/mile^2 is not the correct formula). (If you want to test a battery-powered torch (flashlight) then you need a battery that is charged, inserted and correctly oriented; all three criteria have to be met for you to be testing the torch and a 9V is not interchangeable with a D). If you want to shoot from the top of a 6ft dune with a 4ft tripod that extra 10ft has to be included in the calculations (plus however far up the beach the dune is). The atmospheric fraction has to be as close as possible to constant; the simplest would be to go with an approximate average for Xft above water. In terms of distance you need a location that will test your hypothesis. With all criteria accounted for it needs to be impossible (for real) on a globe but possible with a FE. In terms of reproducibility, conditions have to be near identical on multiple occasions. The pictures need to be taken with the same camera, using the same lens and same tripod height from exactly the same location (top of a specific dune) in near as identical weather/atmospheric conditions. A mirage is not a typical condition and would render that test useless unless your hypothesis is specifically about what is visible during a mirage. Taking several shots in the course of 1hr tests nothing; if there is something unusual occurring at the time (known or unknown, e.g., mirage) then that could explain your results rather than any veracity of your hypothesis. The least you need to do is being there every day at a similar time for a week in similar weather conditions. In making any reports you need to specify what the conditions were and what you did to meet all the necessary criteria. The results you obtain will be evidence, not proof. If you find evidence of a FE then, even correctly done, there is a still an element of the unknown involved. It needs to be reproduced by other people, not simply there but in other places to account for anything unusual that may exist at Lake Michigan at that time (e.g., deviation from a perfect sphere, unusually high humidity). If, and only if, the same can be readily reproduced in all or nearly all locations do you have a case. If you can't find evidence of a FE then it won't disprove the hypothesis but will indicate you're barking up the wrong tree. There's nothing fussy about this; it's just basic science.
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  914.  @imjustanant  "see landmarks for A HUNDRED MILES straight which is impossible according to the math of a globe earth" I told you elevation was a key part of determining how far you could see. Totally passed you by, didn't it? "no meaning whatsoever if sea level were not a constant" A constant distance from the centre of the Earth. If you're going to criticise the globe then understand what you are talking about first.
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  915. The fanatics, no; those who are asking if the fanatics have a reasonable argument, yes.
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  916. I think you'd have to resort to thumbscrews to get them to impart their explanations.
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  917.  @Staniele  Numbers are important; they aren’t limited to “nothing” and “huge”.
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  918. The distance to the horizon is dependent on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone as FEers think. How much of an object you can see is also dependent on its height & elevation; objects don’t abruptly disappear at the horizon as FEers think.
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  919. Supposedly perspective. When the cowboys ride off into the sunset they appear smaller but fully visible while the sun remains the same size and disappears from the bottom. Apparently this is exactly the same effect though with no explanation as to why it looks different.
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  920. The FE sun emits light in all directions (it’s always circular) but only downwards; the light can only travel a set but variable distance before it gets tired so only a limited misshapen area is lit. The area illuminated remains the same but varies for no reason so it just appears ghat the sun is illuminating half a globe. You did ask… 😊
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  921. With a stopover in Auckland.
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  922.  @christinafox7514  The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a globe from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with season and latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows. All that is verifiable by anybody willing to observe. An explanation for observable reality that is based on ignoring observable reality in favour of selective interpretation and logical jumps to support a presupposed conclusion is not going to arrive at a valid explanation for observable reality. Explanations need to be comprehensive and predictive, not reliant on people turning a blind eye to what doesn’t fit. Do bear in mind that human knowledge increases with time, as does our understanding of reality. The ancient Hebrews were typical of mankind at that time: very limited in their knowledge & understanding, not at some pinnacle of insight.
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  923. Not for long.... 😊
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  924. Account for why people would only see one at a time.
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  925.  @GeanTechmanYT  The Mercator projection is the globe projected onto a flat surface; it is not a globe in itself.
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  926. You need to specify direct flight.
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  927. The only formula they have is 8”/mile^2 and they don’t even realise that it is parabolic. They certainly have their cult gurus whose utterings are smoke & mirrors and regarded as revelatory but there is no unity among the different subgroups & gurus (unless you are a FE’er in which case your particular perception is the unified idea).
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  928. First point is buoyancy, not a variation in gravity due to an object’s density. More than one force can act on an object at a time.
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  929. They deny it occurs or simply ignore the question.
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  930. Teran Nix The people who profess to be thinking for themselves don’t think that far even when asked.
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  931.  @kurtinklern3262  He’s not an idiot when it comes to persuading people.
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  932. A pastry.
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  933. It means raise or lift.
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  934. Their orbits can place them up to 20 and 10 degrees away from the sun respectively so they become observable after dusk or before dawn.
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  935. The Apollo craft used an aluminium hull, carbon fibre insulation and then the water tanks as third layer; they passed at speed through the weaker periphery. The astronauts received a radiation dosage equivalent to 2 X-ray shots. All they had to do was reduce the dosage to safe levels, not totally block the radiation.
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  936.  @homelesszaya6711  Gravity is both a law and theory. Laws describe a phenomenon (the attraction between two bodies is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square if the separating distance) while the theory explains why this is so (curvature of space-time and how it occurs).
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  937. How many cameras do you think would be operating in the area around the Pentagon at that time?
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  938. Try debunking him.
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  939. Whether it is a force or an apparent force is irrelevant to the subject: it exists.
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  940. Generally speaking they’re staunch Republican. Columbus was trying to find a westwards route to India and was adamant the globe was significantly smaller than it is, putting India within sailing distance. The notion he was tryinv to prove the world was a story apoended later to make him look good.
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  941. The cyclic model isn't taught as fact nor is it mindlessly accepted as fact; it's a possible model that is essentially based on the application of maths to the observed physics in the universe.. It is formulated by people who know what they are talking about and has been vetted by equally qualified people. It is not pulled out of somebody's arse. Theory in that context means a model that explains what we observe, not that it has been proven.
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  942.  @oneslap01  Scientism is the belief that science can also answer questions that are outside science, eg, philosophical, purely personal opinion. It is not the reasonable assumption that colleagues in other branches of science are competent people.
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  943. “We don’t say that; we say <repeat 10 things>.”
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  944. For some reason I see an orang utan shaking a finger.... 🙂
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  945. Go back to Prof Dave’s original video which was purely educational in content or the one previous to this which runs through the logical errors common to FE reasoning.
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  946. "if a vacuum don't suck how does it clean my floor" Higher pressure airs flows towards regions of lower pressure; the lower pressure does not suck. Your vacuum (when working) reduces the pressure inside; the air in the room flows towards that region, some of it passing through the carpet and pulling up the grot as it does so.
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  947. Others say density makes objects move or that things spontaneously move down (and some up and the sun & moon sideways but all definitely down).
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  948.  @Rapture777-now Do you trust the motion of sun & stars?
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  949. Which Queen do you have in mind? Red Queen? Queen of Hearts? Blackadder's Elizabeth?
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  950. That you never hear of people being murdered demonstrates how efficient the penguin assassins are.
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  951.  @jeraldsmith7778  EPIC, Himawari-8 and Elektro-L collectively download several full hemisphere shots per hour. How many do you need?
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  952.  @jeraldsmith7778  What’s your slam dunk technique for identifying CGI? How was CGI achieved before CGI was possible? Do you even know what CGI is?
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  953.  @jeraldsmith7778  And as I said, I’ve had FE’ers swear Photoshop is CGI.
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  954.  @roberttwilkin7886  "Sea level..!! What a dumb name' Level has multiple meanings; open a good dictionary. "26,000 miles in round the edge same distance captain Cook measured trying to go round Antarctica?" What makes FE'ers think Britain is in Antarctica?
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  955.  @roberttwilkin7886  "the shape of the lens that causes curvature across a level surface" And yet we perceive straight lines as straight lines...
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  956. Pointing out when someone is wrong is offensive? Calling people names isn’t? Gravitational field causing warping of space-time. Are you trying to claim gravity doesn’t exist?
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  957. Stefan Patrascu The flying style with gravity simply means the people fall at the same rate as the plane. Since the plane, the people and the air in it are all falling then argument that it is density making them fall would mean the people stay on the plane floor.
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  958.  @Mark-Stone  It indicates satire.
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  959. No, they’re serious. That the sun apparently moves across the sky at 15 degrees is not a paradigm; it is readily measurable.
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  960.  @michaelmoore1697  So I’ve been telling FE’ers but they insist “vacuums suck”. They aren’t interested in physics.
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  961. The explosions ranged from 20 miles high to 200 miles high above the same location. At what altitude are you saying they encountered the dome?
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  962. It has no means to observe, no means to think and no means to move itself. What's your explanation for how you think water can do all this.
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  963. You are saying you having a working model of the FE? Do you want to try making one?
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  964. I thought one bite and you were hissstory?
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  965. Celsius rather than Fahrenheit....
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  966. 50jakecs To make a comparison would require FE’ers to make predictions in the first place.
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  967.  @robinroberts7398  Because be said a good deal of the opposite.
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  968. MrSpongejoe You need to move to the Illuminati; 6% and two extra days leave.
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  969. The circumference is 25,000 miles, not the 25 miles you are envisaging. Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles.
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  970.  @SplitIZ  An opinion endlessly promoted by the Great Witnesses.
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  971. The hole in their doughnut model is only being able to see polar stars when in the hole.
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  972. How do you think density could act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  973. Matthew Renaud Can’t FE’ers understand the difference between 70% surface area and 70% volume?
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  974. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ You can prove curvature with sticks & shadows. Have you considered trying it rather than just swallowing the Kool-aid the FE gurus give you?
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  975. Accumulative change over 1000’s of years.
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  976. It is to some; a few are in it to make money from those who believe in anything that differs from authority.
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  977. jason hounsell In the Age of Information it isn’t difficult to find methods: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ However many of them seem to think they should automatically have the answers in their heads simply because someone knows it, leading to their argument that their ignorance is proof nobody knows.
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  978. Seasons can be defined by date (equinoxes & solstices) which are the same everywhere or by the local climate (vague and highly varied). Which is being used at any given time is a matter of context.
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  979. Would you like your computer to work or would you be happy with just reading a handwritten scree on what a wonderful thing it is?
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  980. Yiu could adk questions like: What happens if I throw the ball horizontally? What does theory mean in science? What is the proof of gravity’s existence? What direction is the mechanical force propelling the ball & plane in?
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  981. Watch his very first video in the subject, part of the astronomy series.
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  982. ​ @EdgeOfEntropy17  Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation of a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. Scientific method is an iterative procedure: make initial observations, formulate a hypothesis for the mechanism, use the hypothesis to make a prediction, test the prediction through more observation or experimentation, reject the hypothesis or build upon it. The whole cycle keeps going with data and successful hypotheses accumulating with time, eventually giving rise to theories (scientific, not vernacular) that are accurately descriptive, consistently predictive and have no valid alternatives. Each will be accepted indefinitely until somebody comes up with data that isn't explained or predicted by the theory (and, no, "I don;'t see how..." is not data). Something is not lightly accepted as a scientific theory; the evidence in favour needs to be overwhelming. "you can test and retest electromagnetism and get the same results" Because the theory is accurately predictive. I brought up televisions because you were saying scientific research in 1859, 1909 and 2022 were contemporary; you had no grasp of what changes in science with time. Televisions are mundane to you; you have seen the improvements in them in the course of your life time and would not (I hope) perceive a 425 line, black & white, 8" CRT screen as identical to a modern television. Scientific theory is not something totally divorced from your world, just not obviously apparent; every appliance around you is dependent on scientific theory for their for their design & function, theories that have been built up for centuries by scientific research. That you don't know and don't need to know how combustion theory works for your car to run does not mean it doesn't involve combustion theory. "at the end of the day, it is all guesswork" Like hell it is. Ignorance is not knowledge; that you don't know how something works does not mean that you know it doesn't work. A subject being largely a mystery to you does not imbue you with wondrous insight. You thought carbon dating was the only form of radiometric dating and it don't occur to ask why a technique was being used for determining millions of years if it was limited to thousands. Televisions are mundane for you; radiometric dating is mundane for others. The same is true for other branches of sciences. Bear that in mind. "we can never EVER watch as an ape...." That's your limited thinking; you are not limited to what you personally can see. You haven't seen the Creator or seen the Creator do anything or able to produce any evidence of the Creator's existence other than assumption but you are quite happy with your lack of reasoning. That is double standards, not profound insight. There is abundant evidence for evolution; that you are unaware of it and wish to remain unaware of it does not undermine it. "I can show you how humans share DNA with snails and bananas" Numbers confuse you? Why doesn't that surprise me. When all life comes for the same primordial cells then of course you would expect some similar sequences between different kingdoms. That does not magically preclude observation on what proportion similarity there is between different species or tracking how additions, deletions & substitutions have accumulated with evolution. Camelid species (camels & llamas) are possess an extra antibody, the result of a partial duplication of the IgG gene in their (single) ancestral species. You can determine the order in which the intermediate species formed and branched off (with time estimates) from looking at the accumulated changes in that gene. That somewhere in the genome some sequence has resemblance to that found in a banana does not change that. "You take the words of men you perceive to be much smarter than you and I" Smarter than you; I am one of the men you're criticising. If you wish to criticise science then take the trouble to learn it first; don't just wave a Bible and complain we're upsetting your worldview.
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  983. They’re making their living off those who do believe it. Should we say nothing?
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  984. Did you consider actually thinking that through before posting?
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  985.  @whatif3500  They released films of unidentified objects; that the objects were alien was something assumed by viewers.
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  986. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  987. With objects the size of planets the gravitational force is sufficient to force them to form spheres. Any gravity coming from a plane would act on the plane itself and force it into a sphere.
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  988. It’s not a choice between everything & nothing nor are information sources automatically limited to one source.
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  989. They seem to believe we spend our careers endlessly rereading school textbooks and listening to the same lessons taught by the same people for decades on end. They don't seem to have made any association between us and labs or (despite talking about knowledge being kept from them) that we could actually know something they don't.
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  990. Do you think each country should have different arithmetic or scientific formula. Very few people have myocarditis. Millions died of Covid. Which do you prefer?
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  991. How large do you think the imperfection is?
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  992. You realise that more than one force can act simultaneously?
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  993. Roel Tonzo The water in the table top is pulled down by the Earth. What do you propose is pulling the water off the Earth?
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  994.  @KangenAlec  Because it’s a liquid.
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  995.  @micheldubeau5076  Echos reflecting of different layers essentially. I think the idea was determine whether it is solid throughout or has a liquid core like Earth.
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  996. It’s the giant turtle rubbing his back :-)
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  997. For their brain to have shape they would need to have a brain to begin with.
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  998.  @petroleumalley  He's saying that if weight was determined by density rather than mass then the denser the object, the greater the weight regardless of the mass. The shot put ball is denser than a human (except FE'ers) therefore it would be heavier.
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  999. Vaccines are not magic shields; they enable your body to fight the next infection effectively, not repulse viruses that approach you. It is possible for you to be infected but the ability of the virus to propagate is severely compromised; with Covid you may show symptoms and you may (briefly) be able to infect other people. Not being infected relies on herd immunity; if the majority of the people around you are vaccinated then the chances of you being infected plummets.
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  1000.  @pigtrapper1329  You're assuming all opinions are valid.
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  1001. AF25 Humour; reread the original comment and see where the correction is.
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  1002. He’d come back talking about optical illusions, how the windows were actually screens playing real-time CGI and how the prolonged weightlessness is simulated.
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  1003. @Cardinal RG They could rope in the FE’ers that claim to be pilots 😊
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  1004.  @enhaxed7839  I encountered someone who had the habit of posting the same comment 3 or 4 times then deleting whichever received the disfavourable comments.
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  1005. If you jump backwards rather than upwards you will be changing your horizontal momentum. If you jump upwards then your horizontal momentum is conserved and you land in the same spot on the truck.
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  1006. They’re agreed they’re agreed; they just don’t agree on what they’re agreed upon.
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  1007.  @Mathew247  "you then admit that that object is in fact past the horizon" Obviously everything went over the top of your head.
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  1008. An object can pass the limit of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; zooming it back into view before it reaches the horizon tells you nothing of what happens when you reach the horizon. No FE’er has zoomed something back into view once it has passed over the horizon, eg, the sun. They have claimed to either by assuming horizon & visual acuity are the same thing or by incorrectly calculating the distance to the horizon.
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  1009. Why the requirement of photos being taken from the moon?
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  1010. I eoyld guess you’ve been listening to the delusional Globe is a Hoax if you’re claiming accepting the Earth is globe gives the government total mind control.
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  1011.  @MrQuaiven Can you imagine a grenade-injured guy on M*A*S*H denying the existence of grenades and insisting the doctors are just telling him he is injured?
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  1012.  @chrisxx8033  To calculate how far you can see you need to take into account curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction. Failing to include one or both of the latter two means you see further than the erroneous calculation says you should. When everything is properly accounted nobody has found they can see too far.
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  1013.  @lientais6076  “Where did I say anything about the horizon…” You started your OP by hailing Dubay “200 Proofs” as having disproved the globe. Like all FE’ers you’re assuming nonbelievers haven’t looked into FE ideas. We have; they are stupid, ignorant and incredulous and we have explained the errors and answered all questions repeatedly. Dubay’s “proofs”have been repeatedly debunked by umpteen people demonstrating their inherent stupidity and guff and still people such as yourself hail as a revelatory demi-god because they think different = right.
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  1014. If you think you have a FE map with accurate distances then why can’t any of you produce it?
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  1015. In a post-fact world belief is preferred over facts for everything, not just religion. Belief is reasonable in the absence of fact; that is where most religious thought is.
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  1016. They vaguely remember the concept of ideal containers from school science lessons and assume actual containers are mandatory for everything in science.
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  1017. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/moon-footprints/ Not difficult to check.
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  1018. Demonstrating that, contrary to what his acolytes claim, FED does not possess answers & proof.
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  1019. All goes quiet again....
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  1020. He measured it; it had been deduced to be a sphere c. 200 years earlier.
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  1021. They're fooling you to fool you. They're trying to hide an omnipotent, omniscient god by...errr... They want economic control of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome without sending any workers there to do the work. To establish total mind control over you. The first is at least a plausible motive even if not reasonable to pursue but FE'ers see, to have abandoned it.
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  1022.  @jwsmom1076  Like centrifugal force it is an apparent force; an objects behaves as if a calculable force is being applied to it though the effect arises from other factors.
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  1023. You're confusing curvature with elevation.
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  1024.  @jamesgraham4242  Curvature would be the change in angle over distance (360 degrees around a sphere, 0 degrees on a FE) while elevation is the variation in height above or below sea level (similar on both). Sea-level is essentially a set distance from the centre on a sphere.
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  1025.  CanadaSpaceman  There are videos made by it for people who are clueless about scale and think they should see curvature associated with a 25-250 mile circumference rather than a globe 100-1000 fold larger. How high do you think a plane needs to go to observe curvature of the horizon and how did you figure it out. If the sun was that close then it would evaporate the clouds, not shine on them, it would be possible for planes to fly over the sun and the sun’s angular diameter would change markedly though the course of the day. You need a permit to visit Antarctica like you need a visa to visit most countries. Covid restrictions aside there is a booming tourist trade there and no armed penguins trying to stop you.
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  1026. I got down to Peter & Jane style explaining why the moon “changes colour”. We’re talking to people unwilling (or unable) to think beyond baby steps.
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  1027.  @entropy8634  Using only two points you can't distinguish between a flat surface and curved one. Eratosthenes used only two points in the original because the Earth had been deduced to be a sphere two centuries earlier and he was only interested in measuring the size. With three or more points (well-spaced) the two can be distinguished, especially when the FE claims insist on a small local sun rather than a distant one. On a FE the triangulation between each pair leads to the FE sun being in multiple positions simultaneously; on a globe the limitation is the exactness of the observation makes a precise distance difficult to calculate but will be very distant (essentially the lines of sight would be parallel).
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  1028. It was a common assumption prior to the Greek philosophers. Shenton got it from Rowbotham, mid 19th century, who went on a religious anti-science bender.
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  1029. The law of just does.
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  1030. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  1031. Put it this way - he posted the video two years ago to challenge the people who loudly claimed to have the real knowledge, the profound understanding, the crystal-clear insight on how it all really worked and (predictably) none of them have even tried to answer, just kept proclaiming they have the real knowledge, the profound understanding, the crystal-clear insight.... Disparagement is justified.
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  1032. I commented yesterday that measuring the length & angle of a shadow was too technical for FE’ers; thank you for demonstrating that.
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  1033. Airlines are businesses; they have flights where there is sufficient demand. If there’s not enough demand to make a direct flight economically viable then they won’t schedule such a flight.
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  1034.  @leogilbert6837  "However, steel melts at 2750°f. " And the malleability of metal increases with increasing temperature. That is why a blacksmith heats the horseshoe to red heat before pounding it. "perform studies of syphilis on over 100 hundred black men" At the time of the original work there was no cure for syphilis; you can't offer a cure that does not exist. As a longitudinal study, in the absence of a cure it made sense. The original project was relatively short, ending (IIRC) before a cure was found; it was continued on a piecemeal basis, the people not being informed when a cure had become available.
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  1035.  @AV036  Dave corrected his misconception.
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  1036.  @neilclark9298  The sun rising & setting is make-believe?
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  1037.  @stylesrj  “Zooming in with what exactly?” Obviously they have Real Eyes, not the substandard variety that NASA has fitted everybody with.
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  1038.  SpaceX says  In what way is the angle to Polaris due to “CGI, cartoons or special effects”?
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  1039.  SpaceX says  When you automatically write evidence as fake, CGI, etc, what exactly would you accept as proof of a globe?
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  1040.  SpaceX says  Which does not answer my question: you've been given that and automatically write it off as fake so what would you actually accept? "Real "Photographs"" Still waiting on any FE'er to explain how they identify photos as fake other than "they just gotta be". "Go-Pros at the front of so-called Space Craft being launched." For what purpose exactly? What do you think would be being tested? "The 4th wall onboard the supposed ISS." Videos which you write off as fake. Explain exactly what you would accept? "Real evedence of a Molten Iron Core instead of a guess or Theory" Seismology. "Proof that Earths Spins on an Axis" The Globebusters demonstrated it with a laser gyroscope. "covered in water" Go down to the seaside. "hurtling through a vacuum" Stellar parallax. "Real Research and Evidence." Arxiv.org "Real Proof of Gravity" Cavendish experiment, 1798. A copy of the original paper is downloadable from jstor.
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  1041. Check the nature films dealing with penguins.
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  1042. Many replies but no answers.
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  1043. 1a. How is anybody restricted from measuring distances over sea? Every sextant came with a government agent attached? 1b. Cook's journey started from Britain and meandered around the Atlantic & Pacific Oceans; it was not sailing around Antarctica. 1c. How many people need to cross the poles to satisfy you people can cross the poles? 1d. Planes the size of commercial jets have an altitude limit because they need the air pressure to get the lift; all planes have an operational ceiling. 2a. Umpteen people have made videos of 24th Antarctic sun and when given the link to such a video no FE'er has ever told where they saw editting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQlr366eels 2b . How many people need to go to Antarctica to satisfy you people can go to Antarctica? Have you ever tried?> Do you know anybody who has tried? 2c. Where does the Antarctic Treaty ban people from going? 2d. Where has scientific research in Antarctica been banned? 3. The calendars made predictions based on periodicity. Being aware of periodicity does not magically make you aware of the cause of the periodicity. 4. As we have to repeatedly point, when calculating hw far you should be able to see it is necessary to include all the appropriate factors like elevation & atmospheric refraction. Nobody has seen "too far" yet when predictions are correctly calculated. Having to explain basic maths gets tedious. 5a. I realise your brain will fuse trying to handle the complexity but it is possible for a given effect to have more than one cause. A boat can be too far away to be seen with the naked eye long before it reaches the horizon; no amoutn of zooming brings one back into view once it has gone over. 5b. Be the first - produce a video of someone zooming the sun back into view once it has set.
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  1044. It couldn't rise & set, the phases wouldn't be what we observe and which phase would vary across the FE. Difficult as it is for FE'ers to conceive since your minds can only handle more than one factor at a time, more than one force can act simultaneously. Additionally, gravity is a continual force, not an irresistible one.
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  1045. Check his debunking playlist; this the last on the FE subject and the insults are aimed at the hard-knocks who still insist that they can answer every point but have yet to actually answer any point.
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  1046. So you would expect but apparently there is a good explanation that all FE'ers know and understand but, for reasons they never divulge, none of them will say what it is.
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  1047. Your first sentence describes human society generally; since we are human you aren’t going to get away from those interactions but it doesn’t sum up the entirety of academia. You have heard of “publish or perish”?
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  1048.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  On one wonderful occasion the FE'er dismissed the model he'd produced just to get out of replying to the criticisms.
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  1049. Greater Sapiens tried this about 3 years ago with "7 Questions Flat-Earthers Are Afraid To Answer". Few takers and bugger all thought on what was suggested.
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  1050.  @dxdrifta  It doesn't. Still waiting on FE'ers to provide evidence for that happening rather than simply demanding explanations.
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  1051. That's how good the penguin security is :-)
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  1052. The shape of the Earth is a fact, not a belief. When FE’ers deny evidence they are not espousing an opinion.
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  1053. Start with his original video in his astronomy section and progress from there.
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  1054. The numbers on this video have tapered off with time.
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  1055. The key word is pushed.
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  1056. Take a look at his 10 Challenges for Flat Earthers. Plenty claimed they could do it and none have been met.
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  1057. When you are standing on a sphere the largest amount of mass (and hence the net direction of gravity) is directly towards the centre of the sphere.
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  1058.  @dogwalker666  I’ve seen it in the air within a microwave but that may have something to do with the simultaneous bang.
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  1059.  @EDECO79  You mean Zhang Heng (78–139 AD)? You realise he died in 139 AD and this is 2020AD? Time difference of nearly 2000 years?
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  1060. The Earth rotates once per day; nothing rotates in a straight line. 8”/mile^2 was a rule of thumb used by land surveyors and good for a few miles. The Nile runs from high elevation to low elevation like any other river. Not when you take elevation into account, something FE’ers assiduously avoid. Are you interested in answers or just trying to sound intelligent?
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  1061. No, Eratosthenes used that method to measure the curvature. That it was a globe was deduced from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses.
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  1062. Try sorting by newest first. If you are looking for any direct answers to any of the challenges then don’t bother; various people professing the answers exist but none have actually provided any.
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  1063. You mean prior to the Big Bang?
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  1064. An object can pass beyond the limit if your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; if it has yet to reach the horizon then it can be zoomed back into view. A ship that appears partly sunk is going over the horizon and no amount of zooming will bring it back into full view. Nobody has zoomed the set sun back into view.
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  1065. No vaccine is 100% effective; herd immunity relies on getting as many people as possible immune so there becomes too small a pool of susceptible people for a virus to survive.
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  1066.  @heruthecoppercoloredgod7311  Explain how NASA re-educated the ancient Greeks. It is a fundamental part of the plot but nobody can explain how despite claiming to be in the know.
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  1067.  @quinnhovestad7811 Inverted but similar phases.
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  1068. They have a tendency to delete their comments once they get burned. After 3 years and still no answers to the challenges those with a vestige of reasoning have stopped making fools if themselves. Nevertheless, sort by Newest.
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  1069.  @emsuojaus573  You think scientists who find nothing significant amiss just gotta be biased & industry-sponsored while the ones who claim definitive conclusions without supporting evidence just gotta be unbiased 'cos they're different? You refer to a National Toxicology which is a government programme via the NIEHS; do you considered them unbiased? There results came down to a possible association. "Settings - legal - about- rf exposure" Precautionary since it can't be ruled out. That does not mean there is clear evidence that it can cause problems.
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  1070. When you are explaining the obvious errors in an argument for the zillionth time or demonstrating the existence of evidence yet again, sometimes more than once to the same person, it does become difficult to remain polite to people claiming superior understanding of a subject.
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  1071.  @santana05d  I am referring to discussions on here. When someone demands for the third time in as many days that you produce the evidence that you have already explicitly supplied twice, with explanation, you can be quite short with them.
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  1072.  @dxdrifta  "ive asked how the moon is full during the day now 44 times now on these comments alone and had no reply" You've had numerous replies from people pointing out to you that they don't occur; nobody has to explain what doesn't happen. If you think they do occur then you have to supply evidence of that.
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  1073. Will he bring punctuation with him?
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  1074. Curvature aside, it would have to be far bigger than the biggest boat to be visible to the eye at that distance.
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  1075. Soil, ground, Venus, Terra.
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  1076. I had one agree it was a directional aerial and pointed up into the sky but still swore it was aiming for a cell phone tower at ground level.
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  1077. Maxipower69 You put forward no evidence for a FE, can’t meet any of Dave’s challenges and apparently rely on incredulity but believe you have fandabulous insight on how the world is shaped? There was a wire leading from Nixon’s phone to the wall. How exactly is this proof there had to be a wire all the way to the far end of the call?
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  1078. Insults but not refutation.
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  1079. That would be the quantum dome that does & doesn't exist? :-)
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  1080. oirvine209 If you mean FE’ers being unable to comprehend the difference then it’s a matter of using a flat line as a default; they see the curve as elevation above a flat Earth rather than separate two separate factors on a sphere.
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  1081. Unfortunately they believe that simply espousing a different opinion means they are “thinkers” and automatically right regardless of experimental evidence to the contrary.
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  1082. Given a sphere with 25,000 mile circumference, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to be observable?
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  1083.  @AssortedGarbage23  Depends on which one of them you ask though most will be adamant they are in agreement.
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  1084.  @rayopeongo  I think he means the differing balance on the pivot.
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  1085.  @KangenAlec  How to people fly and walk across the Notth pole without observing Eden? How does Eden exist in an arctic environment?
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  1086. If you’re so bright then why don’t you explain how the flight could work on a FE?
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  1087. Lunar phases aren’t caused by the Earth’s shadow, only lunar eclipses.
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  1088. Exasperation. FE’ers insist they have the answers, the understanding, the model, the physics etc and remain convinced they possess them despite being unable to produce any of them and having had the assertions repeatedly disproved. By this video they’re being presented with a simple question that doesn’t require any in depth thinking to answer, they still can’t answer, they still remain insistent that they have the answer and still fall back in insulting people.
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  1089. Vytas Kereišis The angular diameter of the moon would differ across the world. By inclining the orbit you could get it to rise and set but it would do so at the same time for everyone. Any possible solution for people seeing the same face makes something else impossible.
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  1090.  @devoidwolker4171  Where do you think they go if they aren’t highlighted?
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  1091.  @devoidwolker4171  The map shows all seven continents but you say it’s missing 3/4 of states, presumably because they aren’t highlighted. I’m puzzled as to where you think they went.
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  1092.  @UnconventionalReasoning  The direction of gravity would be become increasingly oblique the further away from the centre that you are. Even in Europe & North America people would be standing at a noticeable angle to the ground.
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  1093. Karen Lynn You think bowling balls and feathers are magnetic?
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  1094. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Easy to demonstrate.
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  1095. Contradictions in science such as...?
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  1096. Deltayquaza Curvature and elevation are different things. How smooth it rough the surface is has no bearing on the underlying curvature.
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  1097. What do you think would blow your hat off?
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  1098. PiggySandwich 21 The ancient Greeks determined it around 500BC and a spherical Earth was the centre of the Ptolemaic universe accepted by the educated people in Europe.
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  1099. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow; all indicative of a globe, all disproving a FE and all verifiable by anybody. Since then the Earth has been fully mapped and measured, the accurate worldwide maps enabling reliable long distance trade and travel. In recent decades satellites have photographed it from every angle. One particular satellite (the ISS) is visible from ground level as it orbits according to a predictable timetable. FE’ers explanation is a powered balloon travelling at 1000’s mph without refueling for >20 years while totally unaffected by weather conditions, though it usually needs explaining to them why their balloon has those requirements since they never thought it out for themselves.
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  1100.  @GodHelpHumanity Clotting was a risk of >100,000:1. No virus has a 100% infection rate. Do you understand numbers?
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  1101.  @hymeringfamily9711  "You do realize that the virus came from the Wuhan lab, and is clearly man made, right? No theory anymore, proven fact" Neither are proven fact; you're reading in what you want to believe.
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  1102. Either they deny telescopes exist, claim they are all controlled by NASA (even homemade ones) or believe they can get the “true” images by not focussing.
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  1103. The shape of the Earth is not opinion but fact. If FE'er said nothing then their beliefs would be inconsequential but they are running around telling people that ignorance is knowledge and that beliefs outweigh evidence.
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  1104.  @OldSkoolC10  No correlation between the two. When the incidence is the same for vaccinated & unvaccinated then there is no evidence that there is a higher incidence with vaccination. If you mean why has cancer increased since vaccines came into broad then it’s because people are living longer generally (age is a factor) and are not dying from infectious diseases before they develop cancer.
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  1105. There's a difference between science and natural philosophy.
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  1106.  @hiluxjapper  The Earth makes one rotation on its axis in 23hrs 56min (sidereal day). In that time it has moved along on its orbit; it takes a further 4 minutes to bring the sun back to the same angle in the sky (solar day).
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  1107. I answered this elsewhere…
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  1108. Gain of function in that context is simply culturing virus strains in cells they wouldn't normally infect to make the lab work easier, rather than referring to some extra characteristics being added to a virus. The Wuhan lab was collecting viruses; an accidental release could include wild-type viruses. There were no infected bats found in the local wet market but the virus samples had been collected remotely. Initially at least it was less likely to have come from a controlled lab when there were abundant and uncontrolled sources of such viruses in the market. I don't think I've heard anything about sloppy procedures at the lab but the Chinese government is not exactly open on details.
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  1109. Which would be measurable by using the triangulation you assiduously avoid. Curvature on a sphere is continuous.
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  1110.  @je4a301  Watch his next video on the topic.
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  1111. Or just tell them breathing being a necessity of life is just indoctrination and post a picture of somebody standing in a vacuum chamber as proof you don't need air.
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  1112. What’s the probability there is a worldwide conspiracy of cartographers out to fool people and, with maps becoming increasingly accurate over the centuries, nobody has actually noticed?
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  1113. 1. They get a kick out of fooling you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by…means… 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome by…means… 4. Believing the Earth is a globe enables “them” to establish total mind control over you because….just would…
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  1114. The were landing in low gravity not taking off in high gravity; by turning off the power when moving slowly once above the surface they could almost float down.
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  1115. They repeatedly ask how a bird can fly but an ocean can't. Simply pointing out that birds have wings doesn't make something click in their heads; pointing out the ocean doesn't have wings seems to reinforce the message that wings are necessary for flight.
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  1116. Truth Seeker Smart people who went against the grain and turned out to be right are remembered; the vast majority are forgotten cranks. If you want to challenge something then you need to understand the subject and you need evidence. Dismissing something as “mainstream” is just a way some people use to avoid having to consider the existing evidence.
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  1117.  @toprocks3612  Where is it possible to look up something that you all refuse to supply?
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  1118.  @toprocks3612  It's nowhere to be found. You claim you know what it is and where it is but mysteriously (like every other FE'er) you won't say anything. Why should I find you convincing?
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  1119. Assuming that you aren’t joking, you’re confusing elevation with curvature.
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  1120.  @stevenhornsby356  "David Weiss explains sunsets which make perfect sense to me" He shows you a video of the sun remaining the same size while moving & setting while telling you that it's shrinking way to a dot. How does that make sense exactly? "Your mountain scenario means nothing to my way of thinking" You can say that again.
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  1121.  @stevenhornsby356  Only the upper halves of the skyscapers were visible and the sighting was considered newsworthy, not mundane.
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  1122.  @stevenhornsby356  We don’t see too far; I just explained the key factors to yiu. How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself? Your body is not sensitive to motion; you infer it from acceleration and visual input.
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  1123.  @stevenhornsby356  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations changing with latitude. Gyroscopes and stellar parallax. Nothing is upside down; down is towards the centre of the globe. Why is that concept so difficult for FE’ers to comprehend?
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  1124. “Thinking differently” assumes they are capable of thinking. We’re talking about people who seemingly can’t grasp the concept of numbers.
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  1125. Everywhere rotates at one revolution per day. The lateral velocity varies according to the distance from the axis and the globe is not a cylinder.
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  1126. Ask him to zoom the sun back into view after sunset; they keep claiming it works. He needs to explain how it sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. Possibly you could plant a stick in the ground and note the angle of the shadow every hour (put little markers at the end of the shadow); on the globe they would be 15 degrees apart, the FE should have large angles in the middle of the day with decreasing size towards sunrise & sunset.
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  1127. There are a few hoaxsters making money from it, a good number of trolls just trying to wind people up and unfortunately a high proportion of dumb clucks who think ignorance is knowledge.
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  1128.  @rafaelhubbard66  FE’ers insist that the moon is close hence its position in the model. Many of them also insist it is inside a dome.
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  1129. Down is towards the centre of the Earth regardless of where you are.
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  1130. He’s already been through the friendly approach and had to put with insults and wilful stupidity from people who consider themselves insightful geniuses.
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  1131. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  1132. What a surprise: he hasn't come back...
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  1133. A few thousand years ago.
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  1134. @Sike The record photo was taken from the top of a mountain; like being in a hot air balloon, a mountain gives you elevation. The photo shows just the tip of another mountain showing above the horizon; horizons are due to curvature. It was shot at dawn to maximise the atmospheric refraction; a similar shot a few minutes later didn’t show the mountain tip. I realise multiple factors are beyond your mental grasp but they can’t be ignored. The maths works fine.
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  1135. There’s no connection between the two. The difference in distances is trivial; seasons arise solely from the Earth’s tilt.
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  1136. Everest is about 5.5 miles high, the Mariana Trench about 20 miles; the Earth's radius is 3900 miles. The surface features are too small relatively speaking to make a noticeable difference to the shape.
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  1137. They don't glitch out.
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  1138. Filing was done by hand then, not by computer, and with the sheer volume of material things did get lost. Somewhere along the line things became mixed and the wrong tapes went in the box that went to the Smithsonian who subsequently mislaid the box during various reorganization’s at some point over the succeeding decades. An absolute bummer but it doesn’t require a conspiracy to explain it.
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  1139. A few millenia ago. The shift from geocentric to heliocentric system is the more recent change but both had a spherical Earth.
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  1140. What is implausible about a sore loser who for several years has believed elections are rigged (despite actually winning) from trying to fiddle results in his favour?
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  1141. It's a matter of convention so there is clear communication between people rather than an actual up & down. Maps are drawn with north at the top for the same reason.
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  1142. They weren’t experimental, they weren’t developed by the government and nobody was forced to receive shots.
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  1143. If there is an insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable firmament between us & said resources then how is anybody supposed to reach them?
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  1144.  @EBDavis111  It doesn't specifically say that it is flat; the people who put pen to paper believed it was and that is reflected in some of their choices of phrase , which is what FE'er are picking up on as a religious justification.
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  1145. Several claimed they could answer some or all of them. Most then decline to produce their answers or do try, make fools of themselves and delete the thread.
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  1146. It has no variation in elevation. You’re visualising curvature as being elevation above a flat plane when your starting premise should be a sphere.
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  1147. I gather the Pacific Northwest Tree Octopus website is used in teaching about fact-checking if that helps.
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  1148. Initially Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti-science religious bender. It was initially maintained by his acolytes, went into vegetable state in the 20th century, the FES was a spoof poking fun at them and then some conmen realised you could make money through YT using the idea.
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  1149. Other way around.
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  1150. Let me guess - reference to 60,000 miles and a “wall of ice”?
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  1151. There is polite and there is respectful; polite is how we should be to everybody but respect is something to be earned. Weiss believed he could hold his own and win, mostly because his experience is with badgering people who arent familiar with FEer warped thinking. There’s a debate with prominent FEers taking on physics postgraduates; the postgrads were flummoxed because they weren’t familiar with FEers warped thinking.
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  1152. Cavendish was the first to demonstrate the presence of gravitational attraction. G came much later. Mendel indisputably demonstrated genetic inheritance but his notations on the matter bear little resemblance to today’s understanding of the subject. Being first does not necessarily mean achieving a complete picture first.
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  1153. DBTHEPLUG But you think the challenges can be met?
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  1154. Which blood cells?
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  1155. john conran Don’t encourage him; he’s been spamming for a few days, can’t explain how he arrived at these claims, produce any evidence or apparently understand what people are telling him.
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  1156.  @awi9053  Can you confirm that you have a brain?
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  1157. They have a retort for everything.
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  1158. At far fetched ideas that turn out to be right. It doesn’t mean far fetched ideas are automatically right (the vast majority aren’t) or that (in the case of FE) observable reality is wrong.
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  1159. Use a closed vehicle and they claim it is evidence the atmosphere needs a dome.
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  1160. Because Venus’s orbit lying between Earth’s orbit and the sun does not mean Venus always lies directly between Earth & sun. Its orbit takes it up to 20 degrees away from the sun enabling it to be seen before sunrise or after sunset.
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  1161. Try reproducing Wallace’s Bedford Canal Experiment.
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  1162.  @xonerate371  "It’s obviously not refraction." You checked this how? Did you just presume it from the temperature?
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  1163.  @jaredtandle2596  The RNA vaccines are approved; they’ve been in development for years and were adapted to work with Covid. No system for controlling the spread of a virus will be perfect; if it reduces the infection rate then it is effective.
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  1164. Liberty Blueskyes Gyroscopes & pendulums measured the rotation long before space flight or Google. Himawari-8, EPIC and Elektro-L provide several full hemisphere shots every hour, all available online.
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  1165. Running total: 0.
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  1166.  @stylesrj  That's the one with the Big Woosh on it?
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  1167. Is your reasoning that if a vacuum doesn't suck then it must blow? Can you explain how you arrive at this belief?
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  1168. skyus364 1% of the genome (total coding) rather than one gene.
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  1169. Pets Pro They’re in disguise.
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  1170. The combination of “sideways” momentum and sunwards attraction is the planet circling the sun.
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  1171.  @beachlife4704 Relativity says all objects are in motion and, unless acted upon by a force, their path will follow the curvature in spacetime, ie, their straight path is warped.
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  1172.  @beachlife4704  It maintains a straight path throughout.
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  1173.  @FaceyDuck If you’re British with American autocorrect or vice versa such spelling confusion can occur.
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  1174. Get them to watch the rest that Dave made on the subject.
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  1175.  @thelekevire3 There is this invisible clause in the Antarctic Treaty that only FEers can see (but never ever quote) that ropes every country in the world (signatories & non signatories alike) to commit all their military forces into stopping & killing anybody that even approaches Antarctica in case they find out there is an edge/endless plane/whichever beyond the insurmountable icewall abd impenetrable dome. That there is a regular tourist trade to Antarctica doesn’t faze them.
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  1176. Don’t malign wombles!
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  1177.  @tezlatower2362  Zimbabwean dollars perhaps?
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  1178. FED didn’t present an argument. He reeled off a list of “unanswered questions” and was promptly given the answers for each. He couldn’t argue against those answers, just tried to move on to his next “question”.
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  1179.  @philaypeephilippotter6532  If you simply point out that (most) birds can fly because they have wings they’re still flummoxed about how birds fly and oceans don’t.
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  1180. He used the dictionary definition. While buoyancy is directly dependent on gravity FE’er see it as completely separate and would have read it as verification that density & buoyancy are opposing forces.
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  1181. I pointed out to one that if the sun disappeared because light could travel si far fhen there ought to be a swathe of sky that was totally dark because the stars were also too far away to be seen. He asserted that being able to see those stars proved what he was saying.
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  1182. NASA said one particular image was a composite. One. Singular. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L download at least hourly shots every day. The Apollo missions used analogue cameras, decades before photoshop existed, taking the original Blue Marble in 1973.
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  1183.  @ericb3157 I had two agreeing they were both Truman.
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  1184. Ray Opeongo And GPS is reliant on the Doppler shift of the satellite signal, something you won’t get from stationary towers.
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  1185. Robocal 1234 Nobody has witnessed this ice wall, even the people who crossed Antarctica. The meniscus is due to a slight attraction of liquid to the surface of the container, the strength of that attraction countering the downward pull of gravity. It doesn’t scale up, ie, a bigger body of water will not have a bigger meniscus, because it is purely a local interaction between liquid & solid.
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  1186. It’s one of those questions that you won’t get an answer to.
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  1187. He would just be disowned as shill by the rest.
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  1188.  @casquefou  Projections of the globe rather than maps.
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  1189. Byrd is known for exploring part of Antarctica. The Van Allen belts are in space, determined to exist by a team led by James Van Allen using the probes Explorers 1 & 3.
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  1190. edwin ico Planes can’t fly that high; the nearest part of the VAB is about 20-fold higher than the max altitude of fighter planes.
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  1191. Matthew O'Grady I believe these are Washer’s penguins.
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  1192. "does not mean the round earth models are flawless" Model, singular. You are correct in saying that disproving one thing does not prove another, refusing to accept the proof of one thing does not disprove it.
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  1193. The beams that diverge with distance and can be refracted like all other light?
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  1194. The others are dependent on garbled logic and lack of understanding; they don’t need evidence to disprove.
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  1195. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Proof of a round Earth is easy to obtain. We’re still waiting on FE’ers to produce any.
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  1196. Adessah Cory It would be more convincing if any FE’er would produce the proof against the globe that they keep claiming they possess.
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  1197. The artifical horizon gyroscope isn't designed to compensate for curvature; its purpose is to monitor the planes level flight. Aerodynamics means the plane sticks with the air pressure at a particular altitude regardless of the shape of the Earth.
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  1198. Most subscribe to the idea that the sun moves in a horizontal circle at a constant but totally vague distance above the FE and are not willing to explain how it would fall below the horizon without coming within 10-20 degrees of it.
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  1199. CJM10 Yet you can’t answer my question. What do you think his explanation was?
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  1200. Is anybody maintaining an archive of the deleted conversations?
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  1201. What is there to debate?
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  1202. Did he say anything new?
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  1203. What’s his explanation for how density can act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  1204. Some insist the planets are just "wandering stars" lodged in the "firmament" dome and refuse to look through a telescope for a view that would show them otherwise. Others do acknowledge planets exist but don't try reconciling observations to any explanation for their motion.
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  1205. The moon orbits the Earth; consequently half the time it will be on the sunward side of Earth and will thus be visible during the day. You’re getting sharp responses because of the way you vouched your question. FE’ers have difficulty grasping the concept of orbits (the concept of anything to be accurate) and seem to think a daytime moon (totally contrary to FE models) is a big Gotcha!
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  1206. mRNA vaccines have been in development for years and were already being tested; the existing trial vaccine was adapted to carry a Covid sequence. It's not going to create any new variants;
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  1207. Direct attraction between two masses would be a direct force while the result of motion through space-time that has been distorted by the two masses is an apparent force; either way it exists. Most of space is an almost total vacuum. If the occasional pieces of matter like stars & planets were distributed equally in space it would still be an almost total vacuum.
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  1208.  @Kiwigucci  Doppelganger aka Journey to the Far Side of the Sun.
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  1209. Stand on the equator and look up.
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  1210. Which way do you think down would be and why?
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  1211. They take direct routes; they appear indirect when the globe is projected onto a flat surface, such projection inevitably creating distortion.
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  1212. Unfortunately FE’ers have blinkered vision and could well just read it as Algerians trying to educate the world; the latter half of the quote and the point being made would pass them by. Byrd was explicit in referring to the unexplored area of Antarctica but they read it as a revelation about unexplored continents “beyond Antarctica”.
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  1213.  @Schmidtelpunkt  I shouldn't try reading YT with my contact lenses in. :-(
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  1214.  @michaelyagodmorris  They all move onto the next claim.
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  1215.  @kostandinkruti5779  Whether gravity is a force or an apparent force is irrelevant to the point: FE’ers deny it exists at all.
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  1216. It’s all one rotation per day; it’s the same length day everywhere in the world. The tangential velocity differs according to latitude (distance/time) but it us the same rotational velocity (1 revolution per day).
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  1217. Watch his previous videos on the subject and flip through the comments. They have excelled at demonstrating their idiocy, keep proclaiming how they have profound understanding but none have attempted any of these challenges.
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  1218. Not by much and using a sealed environment simply provokes the “that proves there’s a dome” response.
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  1219. latifa ali That the Earth isn’t flat is so easy to demonstrate that you can do it yourself with sticks & shadows: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Preferring a belief over demonstrable fact is not open mindedness; it’s stupidity. FE’ers have no consistent model including how the moon moves; you can choose between always directly opposed to the sun, in its own circle and a loop that passes over & under the FE, none of which are consistent with observable reality.
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  1220.  @AMKmusic96  "2. They didn’t document how to make it since all were made individually" It was documented. The problem is the changes made to the original blueprints during construction; it would require working backwards and would still leave you with a model reliant on 60 year old technology. It's been explained to you several times but you seem to be having difficulty understanding: technology as a whole has move on since the Apollo missions. Technological advancement as a whole was not frozen just in case somebody wanted to recreate Apollo. Every aspect of technology used for Saturn V & Apollo has changed: fuels, materials, computers, manufacturing, construction.
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  1221.  @AMKmusic96  People are answering you. No piece of technology is developed in isolation to all else. All technology associated with Saturn & Apollo is 50-60 years out of date. We would have to regress 50-60 years to construct new Saturn & Apollo craft. We can take was learnt from their construction & operation and apply that to building modern craft; that is what is being done. We can regress and build a bakelite phone, which worked great when they existed, but it isnt going to work in a modern digital network. The Apollo missions put two men on the moon for a few hours with minimal equipment. It isn’t practical for constructing a moon base.
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  1222.  @AMKmusic96  Apollo took 8 years with very deep pockets; there’s nothing unusual in the time being taken.
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  1223.  @AMKmusic96  Artemis has been running since 2017.
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  1224. Strong =/= irresistible. The water moves according to the sun of the forces applied to it. Noticeable tides arise because the water in deep seas is moving towards shallow beaches. Lakes are relatively shallow and there is a less perceivable effect. Rivers are smaller still.
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  1225.  @craig6430  Hence the jokes about heavily armed penguins 😊
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  1226. Try it with three points.
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  1227. Generally by not thinking.
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  1228. ​ @scoutwithoutclout  Blue Marble 2002 is a composite of low orbit shots; that is the origin of the claim that all photos are composites. At the time all the digital cameras in orbit were low orbit and thus could only photograph a limited are at a time; the only way to obtain a full digital shot would be through stitching the images together. Since then we have placed cameras in high orbit, capable of snapping whole or near whole hemisphere shots. Himarari-8 & Elektro-L are in geostationary orbit, EPIC is in L1 position and they collectively take several shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. They are composites only in the sense that black & white cameras are used (single detector per pixel means a higher resolution is possible) and take a series of shots through multiple wavelength filters; the three or four visible spectrum shots are overlaid to give a full-colour image. They are not composites in the sense that Blue Marble 2002 is. "there are some interesting questions that I found to be understandable grounds for skepticism" You need to specify which and why you think so. It gets irritating with FE'ers because the answers has been given repeatedly, they have been given the evidence repeatedly, they have their misconceptions explained repeatedly. The tone in this video is aimed at the hard knocks who choose to ignore what they don't want to hear and insist they can explain everything but never do. This is not about differing opinions on a matter; this is verifiable fact that they are choosing to deny. Don't confuse or conflate the two. "they provided video evidence of modern high-def high-zoom cameras that bring the ship back into perspective (when technically it should have been out of our field of vision)." Their assumption is that there is only one reason why you wouldn't be able to see something when in actuality it can be either the limit of visual acuity, physical blocking of the line of sight or both; you aren't limited to only one potential cause. By miscalculating the distance to the horizon (they typically use a simplified equation that ignores the effect of observer elevation increasing the distance to the horizon) they can zoom in on a vessel that has yet to reach the horizon, find it is the limit of visual acuity that has put that vessel out of sight at that moment and claim they have disproved the horizon that in actuality is still some distance off. None of them have successfully zoomed a "half-sunk" ship back into view or brought back the set sun; those would be a test of whether the horizon was real or not since the object has definitely encountered the horizon. On one recent thread it was explained to him 4 or 5 times that he was using the wrong maths and why it was the wrong maths but he continued to insist it was the right maths; that is why some get treated condescendingly.
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  1229. How?
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  1230. The parents strongly influence how their children think; if they’ve been brought up to believe conspiracy theories simply because they are “different” then they probably apply that mentality to what choices they make.
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  1231. A total lack of evidence for something’s existence is not proof of its existence.
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  1232. 1. Projection from curve to flat surface always causes distortion. Flat maps made from projections have limited usefulness. 2. Inside or outside the dome? Do you have evidence of a dome? Do you have evidence the light is close? Do you have evidence the light is a spotlight? 3. They assumed the Earth was flat (not knew it), could calculate the probability (not the certainty) of an eclipse from the periodicity and could not calculate times & path of eclipses. 4. Only from a very high elevation. You need to explain why it can't be done from a low elevation. 5. Only when the pitch has a camber for drainage. Ignoring the camber does not magically nullify the effect it would have. 6. Nobody. Do you mean Byrd observing a mountain with a dome shaped top? 7. Selenhelion eclipses occur only when both sun & moon are on opposing horizons relative to the observer, where atmospheric refraction can raise the apparent position of each. Ignoring refraction does not magically nullify its effect. You need to explain why observers elsewhere see an eclipse with perfectly alignment with sun, moon & Earth. 8. Gosh, what a surprise. Another FE'er claiming he has the answers but mysteriously won't provide them.
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  1233. He wasn’t speaking of trust but a government acting beyond its abilities.
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  1234.  @catsanddogsthereality6510  Presumably our rabbits are enslaved because they can’t get out of the garden?
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  1235. It’s been that way for a few weeks.
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  1236. "And nobody knows anything " That you now nothing does not mean other people don't. Can you comprehend that other people can know something that you don't?
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  1237.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Pedalling makes the world rotate. 🙂
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  1238. dan martinez They don’t. There are papers concerning experimental aircraft that, to simply the maths, ASSUME a flat, non-rotating Earth. They key word is ASSUME; it doesn’t get mentioned and the believers never bother to check, just repeat what they heard without question.
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  1239. A very slight deviation from a perfect sphere in the Southern Hemisphere.
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  1240.  @Richard_Nickerson  The FE moon is 10 to 600 miles above a 25.000 mile diameter disc. If part of it was illuminated then how much of the illuminated part visible to an observer would depend on their viewing angle. Everybody on the planet sees the same phase at the same time. Since FE'ers have difficulty thinking beyond personal observation they don't consider the contradiction.
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  1241. It’s more than twice the time of a direct flight (no changing planes en route). Indirect flights use you as a seat filler on frequent flights where you trade the hassle of stop-overs for a cheaper ticket.
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  1242. A claim repeatedly made by FE'ers who provide the same amount of evidence you did in this comment.
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  1243. How does the sun rise & set without changing apparent size or coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  1244. I’ve asked; it’s never occurred to them to consider what the sun would look like.
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  1245.  @Krugis  It's baffling to me how the people who refer so often to perspective seem to have no idea why large & distant is still visible.
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  1246.  @petroleumalley  That’s what I’m getting at; there is no single pronunciation and there is variation according to countries. N-eye-kon in all Anglophone countries or specifically America?
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  1247. Vegan Snacks It means lift or raise. Deceive would be nassa. You’ve been fooled by fakery pandering to your desires.
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  1248. Vegan Snacks You believe in real-time CGI but don’t think it possible to photoshop a picture?
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  1249. Vegan Snacks The guy is in a gym, not the ISS. Did you not notice that there is a brick wall behind him?
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  1250. Vegan Snacks A reflection in the glass the shot is being taken through. Falls into the bloody obvious but conspiracy theorists can’t think.
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  1251.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  How did he measure the distance to the horizon and to the sun? How did he determine where the horizon was given the lack of clarity in the shot? How far would the Earth rotate in 1 minute? Why wouldn't the atmosphere rotate with the Earth? How does he check for 6ft long object at distances of 100 to 1000 miles away? You've already thought all this out before you posted the link so you should have no problem answering the questions.
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  1252.  @rickmartin7596  Possibly he would tell them that snow isn’t made of water.
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  1253.  @matthewp5078  Then why not try the challenges rather than yet another insult
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  1254.  @HeavenLeahSky  YT’s been playing up in recent months as to who can see whose comments, including your own. It appears to be there.
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  1255. Christian Krengel Since the logistics of armed forces guarding Antarctica are totally impractical the running joke is the local inhabitants (penguins) have been recruited and armed; anybody approaching Antarctica will be intercepted by heavily armed flightless, waddling birds.
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  1256. Where was Sputnik?
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  1257. He started with two polite videos on the subject. A year of ignorant invective and denial from people who claim marvelous yet can’t actually explain anything saps anyone’s patience. Hang around for a while and see how polite you become.
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  1258. “can reach” is the key phrase; it would take days to reach that temperature. The Apollo landings were timed to be “early morning” so the temperature was still relatively low. What do you think the flashpoints of the flags were and how would they burn in the absence of oxygen?
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  1259.  @whatdupa2454  Possibly you’re referring to light being slowed as it passes through a medium then reaccelerating when it reenters vacuum; somebody presented that as light accelerating to FTL.
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  1260.  @lordjanoygenoyofthesithswi7439  Motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude, accurate worldwide maps, GPS & satellite TV and countless photos.
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  1261. Go the beginning of the playlist. By this point the videos are having a dig at the FE’ers who profess to have the answers but never produce them.
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  1262.  @supr3me652  Nowhere in the atmosphere is there air pressure immediately adjacent to a vacuum. The pressure at ground level gradually diminishes with increasing altitude until it reaches zero. The pressure gradient is shallow enough for gravity to be the sufficient counterforce to expansion.
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  1263.  @JohnnyB719  One at a time? Wouldn’t it be easy to debunk the underlying premise that 8” per mile squared calculates how far you should see and thus debunk all in one fell swoop?
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  1264. Watch from the very first video on the subject; this is the sixth.
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  1265. One version has an astronaut and his brother being the same person raised as two individuals, apparently with nobody but the conspirators and conspiracy theorists being aware of it - not even the parents.
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  1266. For the speed the truck is travelling at the resistance would not be substantial. If you performed it inside a sealed truck FE’ers would claim it as evidence of a dome.
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  1267. VITA kyo Not so much rejecting as pointing out where the hoaxers are screwing up, eg, assuming 1g gravity, the presence of an atmosphere and bugger all knowledge on how rockets work or light intensity. There were traceable signals to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there are verifiable material brought back. You need to account for that and hand waving is not a valid explanation.
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  1268.  @petspro3453  Using it for navigation could reduce the number of wars :-)
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  1269.  @nebtheweb8885 Flip a coin on the two possibilities 😊
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  1270. If I remember rightly they hadn’t applied for access rather than had been refused it. It certainly didn’t stop them landing.
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  1271. If he said buoyant force then FE’er thinking would have stopped at that point (charitably assuming there was any to begin with) and they would declare density & buoyancy to be proven forces.
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  1272. He thinks a ball of gas that is otherwise transparent suddenly turns opaque at just the right time?
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  1273.  @averyhaferman3474  Its a strawman argument. Down is towards the centre of Earth not to a mystical plane “below” the south pole.
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  1274.  @EmilyFitness  You’re posting in a subject where satire and serious can’t be distinguished.
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  1275. Qwilla Qwilla What not try refuting what Prof Dave said rather than simply state there is a dome that nobody can find evidence for. I’m curious: when you climb a staircase do you think you are going forwards or upwards? Gravity was demonstrated by the Cavendish, an experiment reproduced countless times since with similar results. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1276.  @brainmog825  I ask because there are repeatedly people who say there are major problems with the globe but, when asked, rarely say what they think those problems are and when they do it boils down to a lack of understanding. As with any lab experiment the Cavendish experiment reduced the situation to one variable (the distance between the pairs of spheres); no other source of gravity (and no other force) would have an appreciable effect due to size and distance. Exiting a lab does not change the laws of physics. The existence of a multifactorial system is not going to change the laws of physics. None of that is going to compromise the mapping of a globe. All you are doing is calling a multifactorial system "Mythematics" because you don't see how a correct answer can be arrived at. If you think it doesn't work then you need to demonstrate that it doesn't, not fall back on "I don't see how.".
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  1277. There’s a video of two guys playing tennis across the wings of a biplane while in flight. They don’t lose the ball.
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  1278. Do you drive on the other side of the road to the naive populace?
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  1279. The Emperor penguins are the penguins manning the SAM launchers; they’re tall enough to see the controls.
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  1280. Have you never wondered why Jim Creek's transmitters are on mountain tops?
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  1281. Evidence?
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  1282.  @VK-jy3pi  Having imbibed of the secret cache, is it the room spinning or the globe? 😊
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  1283.  @michaelhawk3861  Explain how the flight would work on a FE; the point if the video is to demonstrate that it isn’t flat, not that it is a globe.
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  1284. Watch the original video in his astronomy section then work forwards through FE videos in the debunking section.
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  1285. Why the delay? He wasn’t trying to think of a smart reply, was he?
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  1286.  @1e0s  You realise that no FE’er has produced a plausible explanation for this flight? The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations changing with latitude; all verifiable by anybody with some travel. Observation & thought of the world around you does not require huge grants. We are still waiting on FE’er explanations for observable reality.
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  1287. The simplest depiction of gravity is a circle with several arrows pointing towards the centre of it; that’s too complicated for them.
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  1288. They “can tell” by means that they can never explain that all the live feed us CGI dine by means they can never explain. You can be see the ISS passing and they can’t explain how it could be faked. Careful what you wish for - the interest could be a third wheel 😊
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  1289.  @amberalexander2741  Sure: 1.8 million deaths worldwide all to get Trump not elected.
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  1290. Those people had invisible penguins whispering in their ears.....
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  1291.  @metanoian965  I tell FE’ers how it was deduced to be a globe; 2500 years on the whole of mankind is still waiting for you to divulge your explanations. Do you want to try? Wallace, Bedford Canal Experiment. How many times in how many ways by how many people does curvature need to be demonstrated to satisfy you that it has been demonstrated?
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  1292.  @enhaxed7839  That’s not the DK effect; it sound more like a problem with self-esteem (real self-esteem, not the airy-fairy self-confidence burble).
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  1293. Reread it. They were told not to eat it and they did. The concept is that they were faultless up until that point, not that knowledge was sinful. In evolutionary terms we evolved the mental ability for introspection and rational thinking rather purely instinctive reaction.
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  1294. Richard Tinker https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Morton%27s_demon Though the description is aimed at creationists it is applicable to anybody who is chasing anti-reality beliefs.
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  1295. s w In this video he’s explaining the stupidity of FE to previous commenters who apparently have no grasp of the concepts of angle and distance. Why do you think 4 degrees would be obvious to the eye?
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  1296. Ann Stern It’s not the first he’s made on the subject; the previous videos were polite but the FE response has been anything but and they totally failed to provide any rational counter argument. His attitude is warranted.
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  1297.  @vitzuja5943  Yes, you think existing compounds don’t exist. You don’t find that contradictory?
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  1298.  @vitzuja5943  Abundant papers on PubMed.
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  1299.  @vitzuja5943  Abundant papers on PubMed for astrobiology too.
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  1300.  @nonsensicaltimes780  Refraction is the light being bent as it passes through the decreasing air pressure; it’s mundane. Mirages are the unusual case of weather causing layers that grossly refract the light; the wobbling is due to the sir movement. Chicago being visible is newsworthy, not mundane. Happens once every few years, not when the air is clear. The buildings are never completely visible, just the upper sections. You can’t zoom something back into view once ut has gone over the horizon. Again, where the horizon is is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone. Again, FE’ers deliberately use the wrong maths and only take curvature into account. None of them have zoomed the set sun back into view or even explained why the sun would set.
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  1301. That would obviously be a secret message from Hollywood rebels tired of faking moon landings etc...
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  1302. 1000mph is the linear (tangential) velocity; rotational velocity is one revolution per day.
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  1303. They switched to doing that a while back. They’ve had zero success.
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  1304. I don’t know if they even realise they are doing it but they mentally insert a horizontal line baseline into every diagram & explanation.
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  1305.  @petroleumalley  He has it locked in the attic and secretly sneaks in there occasionally to see if it has stopped drifting.
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  1306. None of them have ever said how they measured the distance to the sun and have given multiple numbers for the supposed distance. In the last few years nearly all mention of a specific number has disappeared. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to them if the Earth was flat and the sun close then it would be simple to triangulate the distance.
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  1307.  @debbiej1594  Everything is in motion; it is easier to assume something is stationary to use it as a reference point when looking at the motion of other objects, i.e, assuming the sun to be stationary while considering the motion of planets around it. That the solar system as a whole is moving through the galaxy is irrelevant when looking at the layout of the solar system. I imagine you weren't taught the sun moved and the underlying assumption was never explained to you.
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  1308. The example you gave (Santiago toAuckland) would be impossible on aFE. You just backed what Dave said “For a little less money” And considerably longer flight time. That FE’ers can’t handle numbers is why this video has to be couched in terms an idiot could grasp.
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  1309. low blow It’s not polite to change your request after people have answered.
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  1310. Density is a force, magnetism, electrostatic attraction, spontaneous motion, droppity, just does - take your pick since none of them work.
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  1311. FE'ers have their taxes waived or FE'ers don't earn enough to be pay taxes?
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  1312. LivingOnPurpose Sheer distance to the stars means the stellar parallax is unnoticeable to the unaided eye. Polaris remains in the pile position because it is in the Earth’s rotational axis and at 430 light years distance does not have a measurable stellar parallax. Since the distance to the sun varies between 92 and 94 million miles there is a small change in angular diameter but not large enough to be obvious to the unaided eye.
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  1313. ​ @OnlyLivingOnPurpose  The Earth rotates on its axis once per day. The Earth orbits the sun once per year. The Earth's orbit is elliptical rather than a perfect circle but the deviation is from a perfect circle is minimal; the deviation is so small it isn't important for this discussion. Distance from the sun to Earth is approximately 8 light minutes. Distance from Earth to Polaris is approximately 430 light years or approximately 22.6 million light minutes. Simple trigonometry enables you to calculate the difference in viewing angle for Polaris between Earth & sun: tan(Angle) = 8^2 / 22,600,000^2 = 0.125*10^-12 Angle = atan(0.125*10^-12) = 7*10^-12 degrees. The angle across the orbit is twice that so essentially 14 trillionths of a degree. 14 trilllionths of a degree is too small to be observable. The Earth orbits the sun once per year. The sun orbits the centre of the galaxy every 250 million years. All stars in the galaxy orbit the centre, essentially meaning the galaxy rotates, with all stars moving in the same direction at similar speeds. The Earth moves with the sun. The galaxies move but given the size of the universe and the speed at which the galaxies move they are essentially motionless in this context. That there is a vacuum between celestial objects does not preclude the existence of solid objects between them, eg, comets. The same physical laws apply equally everywhere. The strength of gravity depends on the size & proximity of mass, but the law of gravity does not alter. You need to grasp the scale of space and the speeds at which different objects travel.
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  1314. The US Vaccine Court does not require NDA's if that is what you mean.
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  1315.  @atamisk21  He failed to find evidence of luminiferous aether; FE'ers keep claiming this proves the existence of aether but none of you seem willing to explain this reasoning? Why not when you want to share the truth with the world? How difficult is it for you to explain? Unless the observer is standing at the north pole the FE sun will have a variable angular velocity as it crosses the sky because the distance from the observer varies. That you don't understand this or are simply not willing to consider it is pretty indicative of the shallow thinking of FE'ers. You are ignoring my other questions?
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  1316. FE’ers insist that it is close which they need to be able to explain (albeit incorrectly) how the moon rises & sets. A distant moon would appear almost stationary high in the sky above a FE.
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  1317.  @charliet1175  An object can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; that it can be zoomed back into view before it reaches the horizon says sweet FA about the horizon. When the distance to horizon is correctly calculated (not 8”/mile^2) then no amount of zooming brings it back. Nobody has zoomed the set sun back into view. Perspective is not going to make anything disappear from the bottom up. A plane requires motion through air to provide the lift to remain airborne and for a set speed will have to maintain a constant altitude. When trimmed a plane will fly at a set altitude regardless of whether the Earth is flat or spherical; the flow over the wings keeps it at that altitude without manual adjustments being necessary. Nobody has provided any explanation for what a directional aerial pointed at the sky is supposed to be receiving signals from if not a satellite.
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  1318.  @charliet1175  What answers do you think are missing from the globe exactly? FE'ers get asked repeatedly and all they ever come up with is ignorance & incredulity (see Prof Dave's earlier video The 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say) and never with anything that hasn't been already answered repeatedly. In my replies to some of your comments I've pointed out (yet again) about more than one force acting simultaneously, the need to determine where the horizon actually is before testing it and described some simple methods that enabled us to deduce the Earth's shape 2500 years ago. That someone doesn't know or understand something is not revelatory; that something is accepted as fact does not make it wrong. Asking what the evidence for for conclusion is is reasonable; dismissing something because you don't want to be "one of the sheep" is not.
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  1319. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe from the motion of the sun (every observer sees a constant angular diameter & velocity), horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. You could try those. They might bring up atmospheric lensing which requires microdroplets to form stable coherent structures to act as lenses with just the right strength & alignment, seemingly on a personal basis. Their thought processes jump from lensing to personal with no thought how it could occur.
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  1320. Rejean Freeman Because it is also moving “sideways” and you have a net result of it circling the Earth. More than one factor can act simultaneously.
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  1321.  @matthewmead2374  The NSA was tapping into cables to collect data, not the cell companies turning over data. Conspiracies usually get uncovered; the bigger and longer running the more likely they are to be discovered. Conspiracy theories get laughed at because they are reliant on speculation and selective interpretation.
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  1322. Down is towards the centre of the Earth regardless of where you are standing. It is not a universal direction as you’re envisaging.
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  1323. Apparently the unidirectional aerials pointing up into the sky are aimed at radio towers at ground level; the FE’er who told me couldn’t see the inherent contradiction.
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  1324. You have forward momentum when standing in the truck and you keep that forward momentum when you jump. When you throw a ball it continues moving when it leaves your hand.
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  1325.  @kennyjharland  We’ve had 3D globes since at least the 18th century (check antique websites). That was a matter if enough of the globe being mapped to make them worthwhile.
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  1326. TheNeutralCat FE’ers profess to have all the answers; the video ask them to produce them. There have been a number again claiming the answers known but nobody has been able to produce these answers.
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  1327. They caught on that a sun arching would take it below a FE and the whole planet would have to be in darkness simultaneously.
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  1328. edwardponder66 Money is assigned to scientific bodies as a block; what projects are actually funded is decided through scientists reviewing grant applications. We don’t publish our work in the mass media.
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  1329.  @filby3213  "8 inches per mile squared has never been proven" Which is why I said that curvature is not measured with a parabolic equation. We are talking about a sphere and parabola is not sphere, a sphere is not a parabola. In case that is not clear, a sphere and a parabola are two different things. Talking about a parabolic equation has bugger all to do with measuring curvature on a sphere because a sphere is not a parabola and a parabola is not a sphere. The claim was being able to Kauai from Oahu, not Big Island, something that is quite possible with that elevation, but not from the beach. Your definition of fish-eye lens is anything picture that shows a curve, not the actual shape of the lens.
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  1330. Was he afraid the plane wouldn't arrive at the destination? Do he show any surprise when it landed in the right place while using the "wrong" map?
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  1331. You can initially limit the maths to just the aerodynamics by presuming flat & stationary but it will have to be incorporated later. If you really mean "why are they aren't taught about keeping up with an earth that's whizzing under them at 1000mph" then the atmosphere & the plane both move with the Earth, the plane conserving the eastwards momentum when it takes off.
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  1332.  @mattdixon748  Try coming up with a video in which wires are actually visible as opposed to an arrow & "there's just gotta to be one here". Eratosthenes experiment is not the only evidence the ancient Greeks had; lunar eclipses being perpetually round is th eone that comes to mind. If you repeat Eratosthenes experiments with at least three stakes you'll see why it wouldn't support a small sun close to a flat earth.
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  1333. It is also infectious; you don’t need to have direct exposure to the markets to catch it. Picking up a gene from another virus is not accelerated evolution, just one step. While the possibility exists the purified virus escaped the Wuhan lab they’d us no evidence of gene manipulation.
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  1334.  @Aflove45  The shape of the Earth is a fact and facts are not subject to opinion. It’s not open minded or insightful to espouse that is repeatedly disproven conjecture is a fact; it is willfully stupid. When someone chooses to act stupid they be regarded accordingly.
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  1335. Edward Lewis He said most of Antarctica remained unexplored, that there was a huge region beyond what he had explored.
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  1336.  @homeworkfolder2117  He would find it illuminating…
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  1337. Buren Productions pulled his comment rather than giving us the revelatory list he promised? Something happened on the drive home?
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  1338. Gravity is attraction between masses; you & the Earth are pulled together, almost completely by Earth pulling on you (far greater mass). Earth also pulls on the gas molecules making up the atmosphere, since they too are mass; the air above you will create some pressure downwards but not too much. Fine scales do have to be recalibrated if used in a vacuum for that reason. The atmosphere does not need a container. There is a balance between gravitational attraction and gas expansion leading to atmospheric pressure gradually decreasing with increasing altitude. At no point is there an abrupt drop is air pressure that would require a physical barrier.
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  1339.  @Oversear96 How would density act as a force and why in a particular direction? Dubay still hasn’t explained.
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  1340. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  1341.  @rlupara  You prefer to go with outright denial than actually produce any evidence to back your assertion?
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  1342.  @dyls2702  The equation you are using is a rule of thumb for geometric drop, not for how much is hidden at that distance. It was used by 19th century land surveyors while setting up their theodolites and assumes a completely smooth ball (no variation in elevation) with no atmosphere (no refraction). Obviously the Earth is neither smooth nor airless. In reality the distance to the horizon and how much is hidden behind it is dependent on your elevation and the prevailing atmospheric refraction; FE gurus don't bother telling people about that, just give them an equation that is simple but inappropriate. Gibbon Basher gave you the correct formula for taking elevation into account.
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  1343. That would be the Imaginary Space Station you can observe passing overhead?
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  1344.  @nejcpanic6704  There’s a few bright objects: sun, the exhaust (blocked out) and sunlight reflecting off parts of the rocket. Which do you have in mind?
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  1345.  @hypercaneaurastopalan1503  Dum is a misspelling of dumb; I gather it can be used sarcastically to accentuate just how dumb. Unfortunately when there are frequent misspellings (particularly from FE'ers for some reason) it doesn't come across as a deliberate misspelling.
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  1346. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umbra,_penumbra_and_antumbra
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  1347.  @hjalfi  "it's cheating....You have to play fair." Ah, diddums. The world can only be as complex as what the simplest brain can handle? It's why you shouldn't use it as an exanple to distinguish between flat and round Earth and why it is used by FE'er conmen to fool the people whose brains can't handle more than one frame of reference.
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  1348. It allows for 5-6ft off the ground (human height) but assumes no variation in elevation across the surface (or refraction); essentially that the Earth is a perfectly smooth, airless sphere. It’s that variation in elevation (and increasing refraction) that limits it to a few miles.
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  1349. After this many shots I keep missing my face 😞
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  1350.  @Ernesto91763  How does a thrown ball keep moving when it breaks contact with your hand?
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  1351. 🥃
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  1352. I wish they couldn’t delete their comments when they depart.
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  1353. Suq Madic If he considers YT to be a solid source of information then Dave’s videos would be appropriate.
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  1354. Newtonian physics sees gravity as an attractive force. Spacetime is from relativity which sees gravity as an apparent force resulting from the spacetime curvature affecting the path of a moving object; nothing pulls or pushes the object.
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  1355. 1. Fooling you to fool you. (Not claimed much these days) 2. Hiding an omnipresent omnipotent god by unspecified means. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome by unspecified means. 4. To establish total mind control over you by unspecified means.
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  1356. Originally Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century going off on an anti science religious bender, stagnated in the 20th century, given a shot in the arm about 10 years ago on social media when the potential for fleecing people became practical.
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  1357.  @MikaPilgrim  What do you think happens with mRNA vaccines?
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  1358. The conspiracies you list rely on gross simplification, eg, influence being portrayed as control.
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  1359.  @marcmontanaperramon9740  Which would result in the entire population seeing the sun rise & set simultaneously and change in its apparent size during the course of its orbit. It provides no explanation for phases of the moon.
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  1360.  @marcmontanaperramon9740  The purpose of the video is to disprove the FE model which relies on the moon being small & close (though increasingly vague about how small and how close), not prove that the Earth is a globe. He ran through that on the first video he made in the astronomy series. The FE would (presumably) have a 40,000km diameter which would have some impact on the moon's angular diameter and, in the FE reality, human eyes can only see a limited distance.
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  1361. Wilfully ignorant rather than simply ignorant. These are the people who profess a deep understanding of Earth, the universe and everything but are mysteriously unable to answer or even understand questions.
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  1362. Stephan Reid There’s no limit as to who can study the shape of the Earth nor us there any debate about the shape. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1363. kowalski2015 In what way do you think it should be changed to make it correct?
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  1364. The people who put pen to paper wrote according to what they believed and understood. As OMG GMO says, they believed bats were birds and whales were fish. Christians are not lining up to demand bats & whales be classified as that.
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  1365. Sort by newest first.
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  1366. And FE'er insist it is close to try and explain how it rises & sets. Logically it can't be near and distant simultaneously.
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  1367. Nickcalling You realise that when all Dubay did was reiterate the claims that Dave debunked in this video then the rebuttal you want is at the top of this webpage?
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  1368. Biological systems are complex and highly interlinked; pull one string and a hundred things move. Our genetic individuality means there can be significant variability in how much “movement” occurs in each of those hundred things. It means that for any given drug there will be a minority who develop a problematic side-effect. That does not render the drug useless for the rest, much less mean everybody will develop that side-effect.
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  1369. The Flying Sailor Using clips or even the whole video in a critique would fall under fair use.
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  1370. Regardless of whether it is a force or an apparent force it exists.
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  1371. It was assumed that vacuums don’t naturally occur and that light needed a medium to travel through (analogous to sound waves); luminiferous aether was the hypothetical substance that filled outer space for these purposes.
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  1372.  @jesuscrist3377 What makes you think gravity is an irresistible force?
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  1373. You are holding a 1kg ball, standing on another ball with 1 billion times the gravitational pull and you think the water making a beeline for the billion-fold influence is proof the water isn't in the slightest attracted by that influence.
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  1374.  @ameerabdullah1129  That the Beeg are masterminding a great conspiracy would somehow sound more convincing that the usual bogeymen claims 🤔
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  1375. Because the shortest routes between the three southern continents is essentially following the same latitude. Check his playlists.
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  1376. It doesn’t take elevation & atmospheric refraction into account. It assumes an airless, perfectly smooth sphere with someone’s eyes 6’ above the surface. It’s a good for a few miles but doesn’t concur with reality.
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  1377. An equation used by land surveyors as a rule of thumb for curvature that would exist in their viewing range. While a parabolic curve it has similar enough curvature at a short distance to be useful to them.
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  1378. Richard Kev They think it calculates how far they should able to see; they have problems with multiple factors and tend to ignore elevation and atmospheric refraction.
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  1379. Did you read the video’s title?
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  1380.  @DemigodoftheSea  And viruses develop naturally; development does not mean it was in a lab.
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  1381. Hawk Eye If it is the video I think it is, the rocket was testing a stabilizing mechanism and was programmed to shut off; when the thrust stopped, the rocket rapidly decelerated. It did not smash into anything; the camera didn’t even jiggle. If it had run into something at several hundred mph there wouldn’t be a camera left to do the filming. I suggest you look up some videos of car crash tests; see what happens to the cars at a fraction of the speed.
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  1382.  @ericb3157  You’d loop that world in a 100 metre dash.
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  1383. I would be careful here: that one (and only one) of the crew found the Snark will be hailed as proof that the map works and that he provided no evidence that had met the Snark is the absolute proof it works :-)
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  1384. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  1385. Jason Rodgers What are we overlooking? If it isn’t impossible why hasn’t anyone come up with such a map? Are you going to try it or do you claiming it’s possible proves it can be done?
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  1386.  @Thanos777. Why not explain what you think makes something fall? You can reproduce the Cavendish experiment for yourself. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a globe by looking & thinking: horizons, motion of the sun & stars, angle to Polaris matching latitude, visible constellations changing with latitude & season and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. 2500 years on we are still waiting for Flat Earthers to explain of it.
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  1387.  @Thanos777.  Unless acted upon by a force. You denying the force exists does not stop the force acting. There is also rotational inertia; an object will keep rotating unless acted upon by a force. Thete is also no absolute frame of reference; you assuming there is does not create one nor force all movement to be relative the same frame of reference.
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  1388.  @Thanos777.  Cavendish experiment, 1798, reproduced countless times with similar results. We’re still waiting on denialists to produce their explanation.
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  1389. Teri Ross The basic requirement of free thinking is thinking, not espousing ideas contrary to accepted knowledge.
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  1390. For the trees FE’ers are forever demanding experiments be done as if it would be novel, rather than routine.
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  1391. Then why don’t you think?
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  1392. Atmospheric refraction. Most can’t think beyond one factor for curvature, the rest are limited to curvature & elevation. Three factors is beyond their mental abilities.
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  1393.  @HellomuSic1296  There is a tiny deviation away from a perfect sphere. Yes, it is possible for deviations to be slight, not just ginormous. Polaris lies on the rotational axis. It’s like asking why the centtepoint of a clock doesnt move around on the clock face. The rotational axis a slight wobble with a 20,000 year cycle to it. (Do note there is a difference between 20,000 and 2; those zeroes are very impirtant.) Polaris will appear to very slowly drift away from the centre just like Thuban did before it.
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  1394. How is the FE supposed to be toroidal yet flat?
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  1395. Jeff Gillard http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator There are multiple factors determining how far away you can see an object.
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  1396. You can get browser extensions that show the dislike count.
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  1397.  @ProfessorDaveExplains  And these are the people with the discerning eye for photoshop & CGI….
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  1398. Looks like I tapped the "please help me man" in sympathy when I went to answer :-)
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  1399.  @yourweirdplant  I think you’re posting in the wrong thread. A million seconds is nearly a month. Typo?
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  1400.  @stylesrj  He has the guy’s family jewels?
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  1401. If you take two aspirin then your headache disappears. If you take 200 then you likely die. Is aspirin effective or harmful?
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  1402. Robert Pâté It’s possible to observe the sun’s rotation through the apparent motion of sun spots.
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  1403. jay sinclair Look up online streetcams for different places and heck how much sunlight there is.
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  1404. It’s aimed more at the people looking down the rabbit hole rather than those who have jumped down it.
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  1405. Even if it could maintain a flat shape the attraction would still be towards the centre of mass. The further you went from above the centre of mass then the more oblique “down” would be relative to the ground.
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  1406. They can’t get their heads around more than one observation point.
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  1407.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Yes, I've seen the videos. I also understand what I'm looking at, not being taken in by the ignorant waffle simply because it is "different". Consistency is essential; the sun can't be in multiple places at once.
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  1408.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Sure, but you need to come up with good explanations for the sun being in multiple places simultaneously.
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  1409.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Sure, but you need to come up with good explanations for the sun being in multiple places simultaneously.
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  1410. Mason They’re both half; semi is Latin, hemi is Greek.
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  1411. Mason There’s the northern hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere. What else do you have in mind?
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  1412. theELUSIV If we have Occam’s Razor do FE’ers have Jusgottaby’s Razor?
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  1413.  @imjustanant  Bedford Canal Experiment. When correctly done, i.e., all criteria met rather than ignored, is reproducible and has been reproduced. Claiming it is flat while ignoring you're standing on a bridge or that water causes refraction is dumb no revolutionary. I laid out a method for you. Go and do it or shut up.
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  1414.  @imjustanant  So FE'ers keep claiming and come up with views that aren't at sea-level and/or viewing landmarks like mountains; none can actually produce this magical evidence when asked. Meanwhile lighthouses are tall towers set on high coastal land and generally can't be seen greater than 20 miles away. I laid methodology earlier. Evidently I was wasting my time.
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  1415. Weather & pollution aside, you would be able to see several hundred miles before the view disappeared into a haze due to dust & moisture in the air.
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  1416. Figured it: I've been blocked. Is it bad that I can't comment on the idiocy or good that I (politely) irritated the owner with knowledge?
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  1417. Which way up are the thumbs? 😊
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  1418. Because you need to invert the VCR player too. Flip both video & player over and the Aussie film will play fine.
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  1419. The inability of FE’ers to think beyond flat means their brains can’t grasp a spherical globe map; they assume all maps are flat & distorted and hence claim there is no accurate globe map.
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  1420. I think it finally dawned on some of them that continuous acceleration led to implausibly high velocities. These days things fall because of density being being a secret force, everything being magnetic, everything having an electrostatic charge, everything is blessed with spontaneous motion….
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  1421.  @DaGr81_DCnBMore  You asked what the FE'er explanation was; I did refer to them in the third person and said that they don't notice the contradictions.
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  1422. Have you never noticed that other FE'es say you're agreed that they are spheres?
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  1423. You can have benevolent dictatorships. (I wouldn’t recommend dictatorships of any style.)
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  1424. What do you understand by "potentially"?
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  1425.  @omarkos54  We’re talking about people who haven’t figured out that density not being a force means it isn’t a force.
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  1426. Jesse Tow Perhaps you can come up with this accurate FE map? So many of you claim to have it but nobody seems willing to produce it.
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  1427. john koebel Those aren’t the correct numbers, just the ones parroted by FE’ers and the actual numbers were determined well before NASA existed.
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  1428. john koebel Let me get this straight: 1. The Greeks & Romans used planetary names provided by NASA? 2. You have evidence of a dome? 3. Operation Fishbowl proves said dome is a 2000ft-20miles high? 4. Byrd not only found an ice wall he never mentioned but managed to measure the land area beyond it? 5. The booming tourist trade and solo crossings are proof nobody is allowed to go Antarctica?
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  1429. Jesse Tow The Van Allen belts are not impenetrable. Nobody has claimed to have landed on the sun. There is no evidence of a firmament. Nobody is banned from going to Antarctica; two people made solo crossings earlier this year. You think God modified the day to fit our use of 24hrs per day? You need a reflective surface, like a water droplet, for a rainbow, not a mirror. You can see your face in quiet water and you can get a rainbow from a CD without requiring a mirror.
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  1430. You think Gleason is an accurate depiction of Earth's shape?
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  1431. The nuclear plants would contribute less to global warming but do create the problem of nuclear waste. We've been breeding plants & animals since prehistoric times to have a greater impact than any GMO. Asbestos comes in three forms, one of which causes asbestosis. People are spreading incomplete and hence misleading information.
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  1432.  @GZar5K  So what do you think is in the vaccine shots?
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  1433.  @GZar5K  <eyeroll> Either you think there is a secret ingredient not listed or you think one or more of the ingredients have properties we don’t know about. You need to be explicit in your claims if you think nobody knows what you know. Which ingredients do you consider to be part of a conspiracy and why?
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  1434. They lost the technology...? 🤔
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  1435.  @therealmrj1  It was a joke. Apollo hoax conspirators continually refer to a comment about losing the technology to go the moon in the apparent belief that a body of knowledge was somehow mislaid.
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  1436.  @bobbyelee6163  Accusations is all FE'ers can ever come up with. Try countering Dave's points directly.
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  1437. I usually refer to them as gurus; they makes asinine pronouncements and FE'ers fawn over their "wisdom".
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  1438. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  1439. Difference between absolute and relative measurements. FE'ers tend to assume that something has to be stationary; it's difficult trying to get them to visualise Earth, atmosphere & person moving together.
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  1440. The willingness to buy into any conspiracy regardless of facts.
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  1441.  @GoldenGolem444  Those fertile lands beyond the dome/ice-wall/whatever are actually bamboo forests?
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  1442. Destroying Flat Earth without using science Part 3.
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  1443. “They” get a kick out of fooling you. 😊
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  1444. You realise you hear the bottom line, not the work behind it?
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  1445.  @trentbrocato3254  There’s been about 270,000 scientific research articles about Covid-19 of which 25,000 cover every aspect of the vaccines. The media covers very little of it, giving you the generalised & simplified version plus bottom-line. Side-effects are not being ignored but on balance they are safe & effective.
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  1446. How is anybody going to get over the unsurmountable ice-wall and through the impenetrable dome and (perhaps most importantly) without knowing that they are doing it?
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  1447. Evolutionaze Are you going to try answering the questions now?
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  1448. Vaccines have high efficiency but there will still be a small proportion (a few percent) that don't develop immunity. As long as the great majority of the population is immune (>95%) then the disease can be controlled; there are too few susceptible people for the virus to thrive. Unvaccinated people greatly increase the size of that reservoir. Viruses slowly mutate with time; with a sizeable reservoir the probability of a strain appearing that is resistant to the vaccine increases. Clear?
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  1449. Heather Dayvis What do you mean by “affects DNA”?
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  1450.  @EdenCultures  As I understand it there are just two vaccines that make use of fetal cells in generating antigens. Neither is the HepB vaccine. Your argument is that the serial purification processes fails to filter out all the DNA from ruptured cells, that the DNA is injected into the bloodstream, manages to make it out of the bloodstream, manages to disperse through the body, reaching the stem cells that give rise to ova & sperm, manages to penetrate the cell, manages embed itself in the genome without initiating self-destruct, coincidentally be able express a viable mRNA (that would create a human protein that you already possess) and this somehow produces a point mutation in a gene that would then be heritable by offspring who would possess it in all their cells. Or have I misunderstood and you're arguing that contaminating DNA manages to transfect stem cells throughout your body and inducing a common point mutation in all? I'm sorry to hear that you are hypersensitive to vaccinations. However, simply because you are is not a case for vaccines not being used on anybody; few people have such hypersensitivity. Assuming there was fetal DNA contamination in the vaccine shot you received, it would not lead to you or your kids having a point mutation in one or all body cells. "they are free of chronic illness, have fully functioning immune systems" One would hope they would be healthy since that applies to the great majority of people. How does that tie into not having been vaccinated?
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  1451.  @warmachineuk  That would require the eyes to be remote detectors like radar. I wish they would be explicit as to how they they think the eyes physically work.
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  1452.  @stylesrj  I’ll stick with a phaser 😊
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  1453. Wanting a map to be accurate is stupid? Do you want to explain that?
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  1454. You believe in a FE because you think it will make you immortal?
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  1455. Someone is trying to arrange a cruise around Antarctica to prove the coastline is too long but will be using the "inaccurate" global maps to get there.
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  1456.  @MrMallorcaboy  You won't get many answers and the ones you do get will be inconsistent with each other and the laws of physics.
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  1457. Idiot or Poe?
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  1458.  @homelesszaya6711  WGS84. You think a 0.3% difference would leap out at you like a 30% difference? If so then why do you think that?
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  1459.  @homelesszaya6711  That’s the difference between law & theory in science whether you like it or not. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive observation & experimentation. It is not a hunch or guess, that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  1460.  @homelesszaya6711  You’re asking for a textbook answer while complaining textbook answers are just regurgitation?
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  1461.  @homelesszaya6711  That reads as gibberish; try again.
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  1462.  @marcuskinney3779  Why not just answer the questions you’re asked.
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  1463.  @marcuskinney3779  O diddums, another FE’er who can’t answer questions but clings to the belief that he can.
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  1464. Ray Opeongo I can’t remember where & when O read it but there was one that ran along the lines of “When I reached 16 I realised how dumb my parents were. By the time I reached 18 they’d picked up a few things and by 21 it was amazing how much they had learned.” 😊
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  1465. Some do claim they are also flat but never explain why they appear circular from all viewing angles.
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  1466. If you’re going to argue you couldn’t then bear in mind that currently all fights are reduced due to Covid-19 limiting travel. Book for 6 months time.
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  1467.  @jn0125  There are different definitions of gain of function; nobody’s altering anything.
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  1468. Anybody & everybody can say pretty much anything they want on Facebook with no regard to accuracy or truth; it’s not a reliable source of information.
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  1469. Try Prof Dave’s 10 Things all flat earthers say.
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  1470. You’re making the mistake of perceiving the Earth’s curvature as a hill on an otherwise horizontal baseline.
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  1471. Good luck; I long since concluded I would have to resort to torture to get the explanations out of them because, despite their supposed desire to share the explanations, all they are willing to divulge is illogical, ignorant crap.
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  1472. Try watching the video before commenting.
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  1473. ​ @janvanruth3485  This is aimed at people who have difficulty understanding scale; they have little concept that an effect can be infinitesimal.
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  1474. Apparently the <insert favourite boogeymen> get a kick out of fooling people. Curiously despite the absolute control the <insert boogeymen> exert over every source of information Youtube is mysteriously unaffected.
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  1475. Aside from considering where it would be projected from, the angular diameter would vary across the Earth and the moon would be visible to the everybody at once?
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  1476. What do you think is wrong with the text book explanations?
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  1477. Hou need to provide evidence. Try meeting his challenges.
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  1478.  @sharkPause1  You seem a bit confused. The rotation of the Earth means you see the stars rotate through the course of the night. Over the course of the year which constellations are visible changes. There is a slight change in the apparent position of the nearest stars due to parallax that can be measured with instruments but that isn’t apparent to the naked eye. Since all the stars (sun included) are moving in the same general direction as the galaxy rotates changes in the orientation of the individual stars require 10,000s of years to be apparent to the eye.
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  1479. Is he confusing light intensity with angular diameter?
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  1480. Jacob LM Smart? You can buy antique globes but they think the world has only thought to have been round since NASA was formed in 1959. They think information can only come from a government simply because their own learning was in school? That a government has total control over everybody’s actions & thoughts except (mysteriously) on YouTube?
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  1481. Little antennae for intermolecular radio signalling 😊
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  1482. Skidded on unnatural rainwater?
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  1483.  @SpidermanandJeny  "and one you seem to like quite a bit" Where did I give any personal opinion of it? "There is not one bit of direct evidence for it, there is evidence against it" What evidence against it? Why do you think there is no evidence for the dynamics of the universe? "answer how did we all get here" The question is whether the universe will expand for ever or will the expansion reverse? "at some point you reach a universe that doesn't have a prior universe" Why? "There is absolutely no answer that observation and rigorous testing could give to this question" It is theoretical physics. It is maths based. What do you understand model to mean?
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  1484. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38
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  1485.  @stylesrj  Too long ago to remember the details but there was one of those economic get-togethers with a bunch of protesters camped outside for the duration. One reporter working his way among them found that (one guy aside) they all though different people were in the meeting but were quite sure everybody was in agreement. It's difficult to conceive people being that selective in their perceptions but it seems it happens. I assume FE'ers are largely similar; there does seem to be broad agreement that they are agreed on details.
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  1486. How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself?
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  1487. Ofher times it’s the lofty claim that it’s the difference between pool ball & pool table.
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  1488. Scientific theories are comprehensive explanations thoroughly backed by extensive evidence and as high as yet can get in science. They are not to be confused with the vernacular meaning of theory, i.e., hunch or guess. Gravity indisputably exists. In Newtonian physics it is direct attraction between masses; while it remain an accurate means to predict what occurs around us, that has been replaced with the more comprehensive relativity that sees it as an effect of the warping of space-time by gravitational fields. While the warping is demonstrable we don't, as John says, know the full mechanism by which that occurs.
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  1489.  @tjjones621  They teleport across or they disembark and don’t notice people are using the wrong language?
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  1490. They can’t think beyond one observer.
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  1491.  @Matuse  FE stuff’s so far out you need starship sensors to see it 😊
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  1492. There have been various people who said they could meet the challenges and any number insisting a to scale FE map exists but zero have done anything to back those claims.
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  1493. Mohammed Nawaz It would require to resolution to decrease from the top to the bottom of the ship rather than be related to distance.
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  1494. What exactly do you think defines the top, sides and bottom of the globe?
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  1495. Garland Parks That map doesn’t match measured distances. There are no magnets of that shape. There’s no evidence of a dome. There is no evidence of such an electromagnetic field. You still have explained two celestial poles. A curved lens does not curve images. Nobody has yet explained how they identify an image as CGI beyond “they just gotta be”.
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  1496. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Even that doesn’t satisfy some people.
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  1497.  @no_social_skill1369  It wouldn’t if it need to stay where it is to perpetuate the illusion because....reasons....
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  1498. Are your muscles powered by antigravity?
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  1499. The guy never answers questions or supplies any evidence.
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  1500.  @ericb3157 Are clouds the source of daylight now?
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  1501. Leslie Kilgore Columbus thoughtcrimes the world substantially smaller than other people, his idea putting westwards Spain to India within sailing range. The Greeks estimate of the Earth’s size was impressively accurate. Edit: how the heck did thought become thoughtcrimes?
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  1502. @Skela Boy So how does that flight work on a FE?
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  1503. @Flamenkindi You don’t lose GPS in the middle of nowhere. Your phone can determine it’s position from phone towers but your phone is not a GPS unit.
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  1504.  @roberttwilkin7886  You mean you don’t want to answer questions.
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  1505.  @jeraldsmith7778  Movies are shot in studios with set design & controlled lighting using backdrops made for dramatic effect. They aren’t designed to be mundane.
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  1506. @Flamenkindi GPS is used for crossing oceans; you can't get much more in the middle of nowhere and yet the signal is there. As I said, the map on your phone won't work because that does require a phone tower connection but a phone is not a GPS unit.
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  1507. ​ @stefanp8888  Are you trying to argue that all facts are relative, that everybody is right regardless of observable reality? Gravity is curvature of space-time caused by the gravitational field that is a property of matter.
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  1508.  @Mikespeed51  The gravity pulls down while tangential velocity moves it sideways; when the satellite has fallen far enough to hit Earth the tangential velocity has move it far enough sideways that it is a quarter of the way around its orbit. The balance between the two is what keeps the satellite in orbit.
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  1509.  @themysticaldrone4517  Unfortunately some people are very binary in their thinking: they consider that something either works or it doesn't and don't comprehend a partial or nuanced effect. That has a knock-on effect in subjects like this where we have to explain something in simplified fashion which can create confusion when the more complex effects are commented on.
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  1510. Aimed at those looking down the rabbit hole rather than those who’ve jumped down it.
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  1511.  @informationp-unity467  it can be aimed so it would quickly burn up in the atmosphere.
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  1512.  @jessemartinez6285 Because the Earth being a sphere was proved a long, long time ago. Why waste money endlessly repeating it for the benefit of those who will reject it out of hand?
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  1513.  @KenBober The current polarisation in the US leads to both sides ignoring mountains of evidence as they see fit. Covid denial is an obvious point. Evidence would include the political opinions espoused by some FE’ers; most espoused opinions are unequivocally Republican.
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  1514.  @ironase1822  Weather aside, the atmosphere rotates at the same rate as Earth (one revolution per day).
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  1515.  @ironase1822  Why exactly would a 2.2 mile shot be impossible on a globe?
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  1516. Opinion is supposed to be explain how facts connect and their relative importance, not deny facts. That the sun rises & sets is not “government indoctrination” but observable reality. That 2+2=4 is reality, not brainwashing. It isn’t OK to run around spreading ignorance & idiocy. “Ignorance is knowledge” is not opinion that makes sense or is in any way constructive. I believe in (usually) being polite to people but I don’t have to treat such opinions as valid or equal to logical ones.
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  1517. How far you can see is not dependent only on surface curvature but also on your elevation and in prevailing atmospheric refraction.
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  1518. Most favour objects wanting to move though they can’t explain what prompts them to move or why any consistent direction or why some objects move up or why the sun moves sideways but are confident the explanation is correct. Others try to claim there’s a massive electrostatic attraction with no detectable charge or that electrons being attracted to protons in an atom means everything is attracted together. Failing that there’s the law of just does or hand waving declarations of it not being important.
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  1519. Sort by newest first. They frequently delete themselves once they realise they're making fools of themselves.
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  1520.  @henrytan2013  Argentina to Canada as in the various circumpolar flights? How many times does it need to be done? You haven't seen your brain with your own eyes. Are you prepared to deny all evidence of its existence?
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  1521. João Lercas It’s a little closer to the sun during northern hemisphere winter since the Earth has an elliptical orbit but the difference is relatively small.
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  1522. João Lercas Thanks, I understand your explanation.
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  1523. Corey elAYE Some insist they are just lights and either won’t look through a telescope or insist on them being unfocused.
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  1524. They don’t understand the difference between elevation abd curvature, simoly seeing both as elevation above a (mental) horizontal baseline.
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  1525. Organise a boat race with a FE’er :-)
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  1526. Flights are currently curtailed due to Covid; they do normally fly route. Indirect flights are you frog-hopping a series of separate shorter flights that service more heavily used routes. It’s more economical to have somebody be a seat filler on those flights than run a direct route between every pair of airports.
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  1527. Until recently their algorithms made no distinction, simply feeding people what they wanted to hear and essentially fanning the flames to make money. They wish to be seen as not encouraging misinformation.
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  1528. That would be more convincing if FE’ers actually asked questions, were willing to think and could comprehend that other people can know something they don’t. A claim that the Earth was flat would correspondingly have more weight if there was evidence rather than “I don’t see how...” for every point.
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  1529. Which map were you using?
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  1530. Zero. There's been a few claimed the first challenge has been met (but can't produce said map) or is impossible (apparently you can't map a flat surface onto a flat surface because....reasons...). Other than that, a lot of huffing and puffing and a deluge of insults.
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  1531. That vacuum cleaners suck is obviously a joke; that vacuum (zero pressure) sucks is a routine FE’er claim.
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  1532. The Earth is so large that gravity would crush it into a sphere like all the other planets.
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  1533.  @isolehma2552  Since you can’t see them they’re probably not considered at all.
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  1534. That’s an eye-opener. Catching a car with wings was canny.
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  1535. “Without a doubt” to whom?
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  1536. xTheUnknownTruthx Youte making the claim the mileage doesn’t add up so you provide the evidence to back that. There’s no obligation in us to do your work.
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  1537. Ssh! You’re not supposed to notice the holes. 😊
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  1538. In jumping he would take his foot off the accelerator :-)
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  1539. It’s a rule of thumb that would describe the Earth’s surface curvature (not how far you can see) over short distances; while a parabola rather than a circle it was useful to land surveyors.
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  1540. To add to Marco's comprehensive reply: "80% never knew they had it." If nobody knows they had it then how do you know they had it? "it was made in a lab in Wuhan, China" It has been sequenced by numerous labs and there is no indication that it is anything other than wildtype. "How else did a bat that is not native to the local market be the vector for the human to human transmission?" Via an animal that was native to the local market, e.g., pangolins. "they were never close to being overwhelmed" etc Why is so much spent on fire prevention when there aren't that many fires? Same reasoning.
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  1541.  @rilfinspa8844  Near enough - FE’ers think a great deal but there’s very little thought.
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  1542.  @bredbeddle11  This is his last video on the subject; the persuadable people have long since been persuaded, the unpersuadables have bent over backwards to demonstrate they are clueless.
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  1543. More things like the northern hemisphere stars are the only ones seen or claiming Australia is a hoax rather than explain how reality doesn’t match a long thin continent.
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  1544. Professor Dave Explains Top hat & cane?
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  1545. Samuel Rowbotham went off on an anti-science religious bender in the19th century.
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  1546. nick perry The Earth has a radius of 3,900 miles. Bear that in mind when considering how a tall building should enable you see curvature.
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  1547. nick perry Nowhere near. The Burj Khalifa is the tallest building and is less than 3000ft tall. You need to be well above 100,000ft for the curve to become visible to the eye. That is why I told you to think about the Earth’s radius.
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  1548. The good. The bad. AND THE LEFTOVER CRACK! “plenty of things that should be taken very seriously” Such as?
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  1549.  @عوع-س4ت  Since his belief (and not necessarily why he was executed) was that the universe had no centre and there were other worlds. He was principally in trouble for disagreeing with Church doctrines. I never said that the Church didn't have people executed; I specified it was not for heliocentrism.
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  1550.  @AnOfficialYouTubeProfile  Heavens no; that's the place the heretical "learners" head to.
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  1551. Why are you asking in this video?
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  1552.  @petroleumalley  It was flat and now looks quite bent?
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  1553. One told me the fire-pits of hell were there but couldn’t explain how anybody would stay in them with the “universal down” pulling them out.
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  1554. They tend to use the Gleason projection rather than the Mercator projection though they haven’t figured both are projections of the globe.
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  1555. The sun's angular diameter & angular velocity don't change through the course of the day, it rises & sets and follows a path predicted from a globe but not any flat earth model.
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  1556. Nardypants To add to AJ’s comment, there is the also the assumption that the less evidence there is for a conspiracy the better the idea is supported since the total local of evidence reflects the total control the conspiracists have.
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  1557. The key phrases is “presented with enough of it”. Odd results do happen, incorrect conclusions can be drawn. You can’t rewrite something established on minimal evidence when that can arise by chance or error.
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  1558. FED is one of the FE gurus, supposedly capable of answering everybody’s questions and explaining everything about the FE.
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  1559. Is Long Island transparent?
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  1560.  @bradjensen2674  The atmosphere is rotating with the Earth.
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  1561.  @bradjensen2674  No.
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  1562. So far none of thd naysayers havd provided evidence of CGI or exokained how ut was employed before it existed, actually observed these wires or explained why a training pool would preclude spaceflight. The job is inherently dangerous; some jobs. They have a fixed budget and the larger any project anywhere rhen the greater the chance of over-spending.
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  1563.  @petspro3453  I swear I can hear cries of "Woah, profound, man" when I look at his comments section.
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  1564. You need to be substantially higher and a wide angle view. You're underestimating how big the Earth is.
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  1565.  @torewilhelmsen6131  How many degrees in a triangle?
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  1566.  @diamondaxeyousay7805  Schools act in loco parentis. "Every year they are told to do the same exact thing over and over again for 14 years" Only of you endlessly repeat the same year.
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  1567.  @diamondaxeyousay7805  Only if you endlessly repeat the same year.
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  1568.  @ericb3157  Its unlikely that he commanded the mistranslations; that responsibility lies with the translators.
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  1569.  @variousbirdspecieshahaha  You still haven’t said why you think people would be unable to do it.
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  1570. That’s the result of the enemy developing a giant undetectable magnet that only affects bombs....
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  1571. The Mandalorian Perhaps the UFO’s use the same trapdoors meteorites do?
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  1572.  @rockkraken4548  FE'ers insist that gravity does not exist and that the water acts entirely of its own accord, which would require water to observe its environment, make decisions and move itself. Their thought processes stop early on and they never consider what would be required for water to level itself. Language is not precise but science needs to be, hence the difference between what you and OMG GMO mean. Whether or not there is gravity without the water is similar to the falling tree in an empty forest; the gravitational field would always be present regardless of the existence of a second body but gravity is the effect of that field on the water.
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  1573.  @kalanivernon7273  I shouldn't worry too much. There's no winning when it comes to how much detail to include; somebody will always complain there's too much or too little and frequently both. You were close to correct and much much closer than many.
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  1574. No inclination to believe observable reality is wrong.
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  1575.  @baggieboo7944  With any other object the gravitational attraction is towards the centre of the object? Why would it be different on Earth? That's why they deny gravity exists and trumpet density being a force for reasons none can explain.
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  1576. Gaz Lee Have you figured out yet what you think would pull water off the Earth?
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  1577. tony9t So what’s your technique for identifying fake pictures?
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  1578.  @petroleumalley  Quite. There’s a joke that was a picture of a cassette and a pencil and how you could tell someone’s age by whether they could see a connection.
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  1579.  @Expedient_Mensch  You never said it; FE’ers are forever claiming that is the reason for seasons in a globe which us why if is in the video.
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  1580. Project a 3D shape onto a 2D surface and you will get distortion; the 300 miles will have varying lengths in different directions on a flat map.
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  1581.  @aivokallo77  The lamppost is real 😊
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  1582. Or in terms of umbrellas, don’t put up things that don’t matter 😊
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  1583. redddlord Except that the curvature is readily demonstrable; if they can’t accept then that’s their problem.
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  1584.  @87aggietim  Take a closer look at the scale.
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  1585. And Obelix was definitely round....
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  1586. uuaschbaer The moon rising & setting is rather the point. FE’ers have to account for it and thus claim the moon is small and close.
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  1587.  @mattmoreau5383  "seems like there are some questionable things on both sides of the debate" What do you think is questionable about the globe? "It turns out that there are a lot of questions still" Such as? "I believe in something different than just globe or flat" Based on what?
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  1588.  @mattmoreau5383  "Is germ theory completely accurate?" In what sense? We know that transmissible diseases are carried by germs. We have broad knowledge of the different infection pathways used by different agents. We are still working on the fine detail (science is always ongoing) but that is at the level of exact details, not whether or not germs exist. If you're referring to endosomes, then there is no confusion between them and viruses (and, yes, viruses have been purified - we're using them as tools). "The placebo effect is a real problem for materialistic science" The existence of the placebo & nocebo effects do not obviate germ theory; it's just another factor. There is no magic requirement for there to be one cause for an illness. There is a difference between not being in full agreement about some details (science is always ongoing) and there being doubt about what is agreed upon. The Earth is fully mapped & measured and photos are continuously being taken from several angles and it is clearly spherical. FE'ers complaining they can't see the oblation in the photos is their inability to handle numbers, not legitimate doubt about the shape of the Earth. "There are certain things that don't add up" Such as?
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  1589.  @bakonzetaim  We're talking about people who can see a non-existent clause in the Antarctic Treaty so it wouldn't be out of place for one to claim there were unlisted days on a calendar.
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  1590. RGDjag0 What do you think we do in labs?
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  1591. RGDjag0 You aren’t going to answer my question?
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  1592. RGDjag0 You need to know the difference between the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory before you continue. What do you think is the purpose of designing and executing an experiment?
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  1593.  @RGDjag0  What is so difficult about looking up the definition of a scientific theory as opposed to the vernacular meaning? You have had it pointed out to you multiple times they aren't the same. "you can repeatedly test stuff that confirms the explanation of your proposition" The whole point is to disprove the hypothesis.
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  1594.  @RGDjag0  "They are accepted valid explanations, until proven otherwise" Because in science you can't prove something absolutely; you can reach the point where no evidence to disprove the hypothesis has been found despite extensive research and attempts to disprove it. At that point something is accepted as a scientific theory. That is the nearest you can come to absolute proof in science. If you think it is wrong then you need to demonstrate that; asserting it is incorrect without evidence is conjecture on your part. You can't dismiss it as "just a theory"; that would be an untested hypothesis.
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  1595. RGDjag0 That the Earth is round is not a theory; it’s a fact. That any object has s specific shape is not theory but fact. It’s measurable and measured. It’s observable and observed.
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  1596. Free speech does not mean equal say.
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  1597.  @brockdodrill257  Explaim the sun’s motion, horizons, angle to Polaris matching, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles on a FE.
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  1598.  @littlerock8926  An NIH research grant can include a foreign research group where the expertise that lab provides can't be readily obtained within the US and their contribution would be of benefit to the US. I was part of a US group that was looking to develop vaccines that could recognise all known strains of several viruses that could lead to a single vaccine for each with worldwide efficacy; the grant covered two labs in South America and the Far East as well as the American ones. All grants require annual reports to the NIH from all parties; if there was no data coming from a lab or the money was apparently being misspent then the grant could be cancelled.
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  1599. The seismometers placed on the moon’s surface heard it “ring like a bell”. They transmitted the data to Earth. There was no auditory transmission. Einstein was in favour of referring to space-time as aether essentially because aether was the term that had long been used in discussing space. He did not believe aether was a substance.
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  1600. No development or military use of Antarctica. Environmental in one sense, stopping a waste of money in the military sense.
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  1601. contemplate How do you think density would act as a force? What would cause an “up & down”? Why would the direction of “up & down” change between locations?
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  1602. contemplate “why don’t you tell me what the drop off is at 18 miles” From what elevation? It’s been pointed out to you a few times that the geometric curve is not the same as how far you can see; elevation and refraction have to be taken into account for the latter.
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  1603.  @Mathew247  Your eyes would be at sea level if you were bobbing in the water. Standing on a beach your eyes would be at least several feet above sea-level. Exact elevation is necessary in determining how far you can see. You've been asked a few times how much much of the ship was hidden. There seems to be some discrepancy with your possible viewing distance and ye distance you are giving. "Seeing something with the naked eye and also zooming in and out with your camera is NOT a change in the story" Actually it is whether you intended it or not. Many people come claiming an object is hidden when they actually mean it has become too small to be seen with the naked eye. https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ There is a diagram at the bottom of the page that you need to look at. "Pets Pro says you can see 100 miles. Do you all agree? Is that mathematically possible or is it really because there's no curvature?" Depends on your elevation and the atmospheric conditions. On a clear day from the top of a good size mountain, no problem.
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  1604.  @Mathew247  How tall is the ferry? The 2nd & 3rd sites don't take elevation in to account, something that has been pointed out to you repeatedly. The first site (David Senesac) actually discusses the point but you've jumped to the table at the end without any understanding of what he said.
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  1605.  @Mathew247  "tell me at what distance I shouldn't see the boat regardless of its height" Height is a key part of the calculation. The sea-level you are envisaging (standing on the shoreline) still places your eyes about 5ft above sea-level and you are ignoring refraction; about 166ft would hidden at 20 miles, depending on the exact refraction. Across water the refraction would increase meaning less than 166ft hidden.
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  1606.  @Mathew247  An obvious demonstration of refraction is dipping a stick into a pond; the submerged part appears to have a different angle to the rest but it is neither fuzzy nor inverted.
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  1607. Mr. Fake Belt An ad hominem argument is when the argument consists solely of attacking someone’s character. Insulting someone while giving a reasoned argument is not an ad hominem argument.
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  1608.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  And curiously, when given a video the FE’ers who can claim to be able to identify fakery, CGI etc at a glance are unable to say where these cuts are.
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  1609. They have their gurus whose words are accepted as absolute truth with no or superficial thought. Reality is explained to them and they will deny observable reality rather than question the gurus.
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  1610.  @daddy3982  Not completely different constellations unless making a direct comparison between north & south poles.
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  1611. You need the equivalent of a visa to visit just as with most countries.
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  1612. Some are trolls, some are serious, some are making money out of the gullible.
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  1613.  @steverushforth7009  Yiu don’t have to explain to me 😊
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  1614. A lot of them insist the planets are just lights. They can’t make a connection between telescopes and looking up.
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  1615. Do you mind saying which city that is?
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  1616.  @takeoffyourblinkers  ​ Scientific research is application of the scientific method. The latter is an iterative procedure: starting from an initial observation, a hypothesis is created, a prediction made, experimentation/observation done to test prediction, and the results used to modify the hypothesis. It keeps going around until accumulating data leads (hopefully) to a more accurate hypothesis. How experiments & observations are done is dependent on the branch of science. Some areas (e.g., chemistry) readily lend themselves to direct experimentation while others (e.g., astrophysics) do not and are limited to observation. While it is nice to demonstrate causation much is limited to correlation. In biology you're trying to determine the links between X & Y across a complex and only partially known system so a direct line of causation is difficult to demonstrate. Showing insulin lowers blood sugar is correlation, not causation. It's unethical and impractical to carry out long-term, intrusive research on humans; it's difficult enough on caged mice with only a 2 year life span. You are limited to statistical analysis of large groups of people but it is the same iterative procedure; the results from previous studies are used to modify the hypothesis for the next. The guidelines for nutrition arose from serial, iterative scientific research and are modified according to the outcomes of continuing research.
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  1617. ​ @takeoffyourblinkers  You misunderstand me. Inject insulin into someone and you will observe a drop in blood sugar; that is correlation. That correlation was used to control diabetics' blood sugar well before insulin was demonstrated to cause the drop; causation was assumed. Only when the full chain of events had been determined could we say insulin is the cause. You keep saying "poor epidemiological data" but you seem to be assuming all epidemiology is poor data. Data is not going to be poor simply because it is epidemiology, or the conclusions drawn from that data. I have explained to you the limitations of data gathering in the different branches of science. With a large enough group of people, be it one or collated groups, you will be able to extract meaningful results. Nutritional research is not limited to epidemiology; it also relies on human physiology. Using mice in place of humans is scientific. As mammals, we have common physiology; what works in a mouse will have a similar basis in a human. Once some aspect of physiology is determined in a mouse, then the knowledge can be applied to humans, determining what differences do exist between them. Working solely on humans is impractical & unethical. Decades ago it was assumed (based on contemporary knowledge of physiology) that most sugar intake would be rapidly metabolised while lipid intake would be either "stored" or metabolised and that obesity (what existed) arose from diet changes that had led to increased fat intake. That turned out to be wrong; higher sugar intake led to increased lipid synthesis and low fat diet actually increased obesity. I assume that is what you are referring to. A simply explanation for the conclusions drawn would be that the folks in the 1950's did not have access to 2020 knowledge. "why the hell can't the academics?" Designing experiments and gathering & analysing data is routine for us. We are familiar with the strengths & weaknesses of different approaches. Our knowledge is not limited to magazine articles, Youtube videos and conspiracy theories. You think you know what we are doing; we know what we're doing.
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  1618. Cluckery Duckery FE’ers would argue that the existence of crunchy peanut butter disproves the existence of smooth peanut butter.
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  1619. He was sitting inside it and the fatal accident was due to the landing parachute failing to deploy (it had worked previously).
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  1620. Halunka Records To add to Big Poops comment, an object’s gravity is proportional to its mass, not one fixed strength for any and every object. That does seem a common misconception.
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  1621. I suspect I would have spent my free time heaving over the side 😊
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  1622. It’s don’t think rather than think differently.
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  1623. Simon Wachon You need something to stop the gas moving from higher to lower pressure; force can do that. Try making an accurate FE map from the distances you have.
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  1624.  @simonwachon6723  Asking questions and pointing out facts is attacking you? What's your technique for identifying CGI? How was CGI achieved before CGI was invented? Straight forward questions. Surely you can answer them?
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  1625. Koysii ™ Their hypothesis was constant velocity until it dawned on them that they needed acceleration if anything was to move “down”. Then it became constant acceleration but for that they needed an explanation for what provided the force and the accumulative velocity. Now they’re onto density being a force (unexplained) and the Law of Just Does. They still haven’t disproven gravity.
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  1626. That indirect flights exist does not preclude the existence of direct flights.
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  1627. He estimated the circumference and distance to the sun; that it was a sphere had been determined 2 centuries before.
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  1628. Apparently Nixon would have ended the grain shipments that Carter had yet to start. 😊
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  1629.  @M-3-L-O-N  "the Church burnt people alive for their claims that it wasn't flat." It's always been accepted by the Church that the Earth is a sphere. They were hostile to a move to heliocentric theory because they saw it is undermining their authority. As far as I am aware nobody was burnt at the stake specifically for insisting the universe was heliocentric. You're saying that as a hoax it isn't dumb otherwise it would be ineffectual in fooling people?
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  1630. Hope Rodrig Foucault pendulum was the first. Done now with laser ring gyroscopes. How do you propose satellites are put in geostationary orbit if we don’t know how fast the Earth is rotating?
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  1631. Unfortunately they do. They can’t grasp that a ball in their hand while standing on a planet is not the equivalent of a planet and assume there is a top & bottom.
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  1632. Coronavirus is not the one and only virus and the ability of the Coronavirus to infect humans is recent.
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  1633. You got short shrift because some FE'ers did exactly what you did: declare themselves not be a FE'er then go off on a gish-gallop list of "unanswered questions". "why do clouds spin with the earth" The atmosphere rotates with Earth, the result of a billions of years of friction with hills & mountains as the Earth rotated. Local variations occur, principally through different surfaces radiating heat differently, resulting in weather.
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  1634.  @rayopeongo  I think it was El Gordo some years back that came up with the same numbers two weeks running; same probability of someone simply winning the lottery.
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  1635. Something to do with the species of weed in each locality?
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  1636. Some are doing it for money: there's revenue in selling books and making videos. If you had found yourself answering the same few questions asked over and over and over and over by people who can't think, you too would sound frustrated.
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  1637. 777 Wisdom A low power telescope demonstrates they aren’t just lights. You can see the Earth because you only have to look as far as your toes. Venus & Mercury appear very small because they are 10’s of millions of miles away.
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  1638. Start it spinning?
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  1639.  @stylesrj  Put it in the rest room ‘til it’s sober?
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  1640.  @fredrick119  One hopes but in this subject who knows….
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  1641.  @Dawn95284 The globe earth & moon move in accordance with the laws of nature; the FE sun has to be held up, forcibly moved to counter loss of momentum through friction and have its path gradually altered over the course of the year.
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  1642. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1643. These days they claim the sun moves in a horizontal circle above a FE (rather than orbiting around it) and, for reasons they never explain, it only lights a limited misshapen area at a time.
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  1644.  @neilclark9298  How does it rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon? If you're going to say it shrinks away then explain how it retains a constant angular diameter while doing so. "real time video of 1000 miles' Produce it. Explain how the horizon can appear at multiple heights simultaneously.
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  1645. 3 or 4 new shots taken every hour https://himawari8.nict.go.jp How many photos do there need to be to satisfy you there is more than one?
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  1646. "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on" Mark Twain
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  1647. Stephanie Somer They’ve got electrolytes.
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  1648. It means "air wanderer" and the deviation from a perfect sphere is minute, not automatically gross.
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  1649. Over time we see about 190 degrees of the surface. How do you explain the rest? The surface features shuffle around to fool us?
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  1650.  @daftwulli6145  Some of them have trouble grasping arithmetic…
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  1651. Alexander Golos He’s Trump’s advisor and you’ve fallen for a hoax. Apollo astronauts passed through the weak periphery of the VAB at high speed in a shielded spacecraft, not free-floating at walking speed through the central region. Radiation dosage was very different to what you are assuming. Today’s electronic chips have circuitry a few atoms wide and hence are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the Apollo wiring. Unlike the Apollo period, our technology is heavily dependent on microchips. That is the current problem with the VAB. Himawari may not have 180 degree shots but it is taking shots of the Earth entirely within one frame. That is what is demanded by FE’ers and they get it from multiple satellite cameras.
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  1652. Liquids have surface tension, gases don’t.
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  1653. 1. <crickets> 2. To fool us. 3. To hide God. 4. To have sole access to the inaccessible land/continents beyond the impenetrable dome.
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  1654.  @yourweirdplant You’re conflating sex & gender. Sex refers to the biological, gender the physiological & sociological. There is no one explanation for transgender; some are genuine, some an effect of mental problems, some are just social pressure. There is a society that has three genders (and two sexes) but I have no idea how that works.
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  1655. Laurent Drozin What powers the acceleration? Check Samuel Rowbotham. He’s the root of today’s FEism. Essentially he saw science as impinging on religion’s authority and went off on an “it’s all wrong” bender. While many of today’s FE’ers are simply into anything counter-authority much of it is still Rowbotham’s philosophy.
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  1656. Najib Choueiry 1a. How do restrictions on entering territorial waters stop you from measuring non-territorial waters? 1b. I looked at the route Cook recorded. Do you think he is in on the plot? Entering the Antarctic Circle twice (essentially dipping south as he passed the Capes Horn & Good Hope) does not mean he circled Antarctica within or close to the Antarctic Circle.
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  1657. The P900 has an 83x zoom enabling them to see distant objects. They can't handle the concepts of scale & distance, basic geometry and an effect having more than one possible cause and so happily believe they are "zooming over the horizon".
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  1658. They rely on the big number 1000mph equating to a g force with zeros after it.
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  1659. Petroleumalley If I tap my heels together three times I’ll be in Kansas?
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  1660. Do they know what a telescope is?
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  1661. wong Oh for some magic potion.... 😊
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  1662.  @wandersoftheworldorg  No sign that you posted anything.
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  1663.  @wandersoftheworldorg  1. The map has a sliding scale because it is a projection of a 3D surface on to a 2D surface. A 2D map of a FE would have no such distortion and would have one fixed scale; the challenge is to produce such a map. Fail on your part. 2. The people in the southern hemisphere can attest the days get longer in their summer, not shorter. The folks at the southern tip of South America are far enough south for there to be close to 24hrs of sunlight in the summer, the "night" being no more than dusk. There is a booming tourist trade (Covid-19 aside) to Antarctica with an ever-increasing number of people able to attest to having directly experienced 24hr sunlight down there. Denying it occurs is not an explanation. Fail. 3. The word planet comes from the Greek planetes or wanderer; Mars & Venus were seen as wandering stars. Teh challenge was to make a prediction; raising etymology does not meet that challenge unless you are trying to predict future words. Fail. 4. The challenge specified over land; over water (like the English Channel) brings substantial atmospheric refraction in to the equation, which you all assiduously ignore. You also ignore the fact that the top of the Dover Cliffs is not, by definition of a sea cliff, at sea-level. Fail. 5. You're refusing to continue watching the boat. Fail. You talk about atmospheric lensing but, as ever, produce no evidence of such a phenomenon or explanation of how it could work. Would you like me to continue?
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  1664.  @boterlettersukkel  I have this nagging feeling that I missed out somewhere...
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  1665. Explain how the flight works on a FE.
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  1666. Let me guess - you think nobody but FE’ers has ever ever EVER looked to see whether his postulate is correct?
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  1667.  @EmilParkour  When people say on the train they usually mean onboard the train, not on top of the the train.
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  1668. @TakoRikuz 135 But didn’t actually meet any of them.
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  1669. southboundtraveler It doesn’t calculate how far you should be able to see. That requires the inclusion of elevation and atmospheric refraction
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  1670. Uneducated as in apparently lacking high school education.
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  1671.  @rlupara  I assume you are thinking of Eratosthenes who measured the circumference a few centuries later. His experiment would distinguish between flat and sphere by adding a third observation point; it's done repeatedly but still FE'ers whinge. "150 mln km bullshit I don’t buy." Let me guess - if it was that distance you wouldn't be able to see it?
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  1672.  @YouGotTheMelvin  Poe’s Law. FE is a subject where ridiculous comments are made in all seriousness.
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  1673. In moving the moon to fix that particular problem you make it impossible to explain rising & setting or phases.
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  1674. He’s one of the FE gurus.
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  1675.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  The Cambrian explosion was 15-25 million years in length, not instant.
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  1676.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  20 million years is relatively rapid on the evolutionary scale but it is not instantaneous. In a world where there are niches to be filled you would expect there to be relatively rapid change; it doesn't present a problem. There are transitional fossils; you're just making the usual error of interpreting a transitional fossil to mean two gaps to be filled.
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  1677.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  Hypothesis to theory because of accumulating evidence supporting such a conclusion and eliminating viable alternatives. If evidence shows up that indicates the law is incorrect then that needs to be checked. Einstein is credited with formulating special & general relativity; he built on existing work, other people have built on and modified his and accumulated the experimental evidence that supports and fails to disprove the model. Science is a collaborative effort; Newton said something to the effect that he saw things by standing on the shoulders of giants, ie, his predecessors' work.
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  1678. ​ @heruthecoppercoloredgod7311  If you are going to run with deduction it really helps if you understand what you are talking about. To launch anything in to space requires power; the greater the mass and the higher you want to send something then the more power you need. How high you need to send something depends on the purpose of the object. A communications satellite works fine in low orbit; there is no need to send it to a higher orbit. If you are not sending anything beyond low orbit then it is not necessary to keep developing the technology required to do otherwise; with no manned missions being planned there was no need to keep developing the Saturn V. With no Saturn development in the last 40+ years and with technology continuously marching on then the materials, computers and manufacturing processes required for the Saturn in the 60's & 70's are incompatible with today's technology & work practices. Even if you could readily build a Saturn V it has the power to launch sufficient mass for a three man, two week moon mission with minimal equipment and nothing more; if you want a longer mission with more people and more equipment (as intended) then the Saturn V is not what you need. It is more economical to redevelop heavy launchers for the modern intended purposes. The blueprints for the Saturn V & Apollo craft still exist; they are also hopelessly outdated compared to today's technology. You're assuming I am American; there is a whole world outside the US. We (the entire world) have been sending satellites into high orbit for the last 10+ years and into deep space for the last 40 years; we have not lost the means to send something beyond low orbit. Until the Orion craft is ready we don't have a viable means to send manned missions beyond LEO. Explain how NASA was manufacturing globes in the 18th century. Explain who you think NASA would have such total control of information and minds worldwide that nobody has noticed a globe appearing out of nowhere.
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  1679. Mono Chrome Mostly German: “Religion is the opium of the masses”. The drugs are not necessarily pills but anything that discourages thinking.
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  1680. The most sensible is that they’re fooling you to fool you which is at least plausible for a minor prank. Alternatively it’s to hide an omnipresent, omnipotent God by unclarified means, to take economic control of the inaccessible lands beyond the impenetrable dome and insurmountable ice-wall by….means….. or to establish total mind control by….means….
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  1681.  @mickowens9839  Dividing distance by time is arithmetic and is one calculation.
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  1682.  @rickygrimes6054  You need to distinguish between theories and hypotheses; the former will have a degree of guesswork because they are still being developed while theories have been well-established and won't contain assumptions & unknown variables. Both then and now, theories have been based upon the accumulated evidence that was available, an accumulation that has never ceased. The possibility is always open that something turns up as research continues to expand that will indicate a flaw in a theory, which is what you are referring to. That possibility is frequently used as an excuse by Thinkers to simply dismiss what they don't want to hear, which is what you appear to be espousing.
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  1683. More than one force can act simultaneously and an object's motion is the result of the net interaction of those forces.
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  1684. Buck Rogers Distance to the horizon is dependent on observer elevation and atmospheric refraction as well as the Earth’s curvature. The last is not calculated with 8”/mile^2 since that is a parabola. How high do you think you need to be to see a 10 or 50 degree drop in the horizon?
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  1685. "They" are just fooling you into thinking you do :-)
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  1686.  @stylesrj  It didn’t explode; the landing parachute failed.
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  1687.  @TheDanceDetective  Centrifugal force is an apparent force, quite real & calculable, and the result of inertia. You can’t nullify it with a hand waving “not a force”.
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  1688.  @danneumann3274  Because you need to get your exact elevation and take into account the refraction, not assume & ignore respectively. Even a few feet higher makes a significant difference and across water (which these examples always are) the refraction will greatly increase the distance. A boat can pass the limit of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; zooming will bring them back into view. It does not prove they can be zoomed back after they passed over the horizon. Unlike a boat, the sun indisputably sets (it does not shrink away beyond your visual acuity) but no FE'er has yet zoomed it back into view. Try doing it, though use a solar filter and mind your eyes.
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  1689.  motionmotive Gravitational acceleration is similar around the Earth; the gravitational attraction varies depending on the mass of the object. The air around the balloon is also pulled down. Since it has a greater mass per volume than the balloon the air displaces the balloon it pushes the ballon upwards against thd gravity; the NET force is upwards. Do note that more than ins force can act at once eg, you picking something up while gravity pulls it down. Try quoting this Law of Density.
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  1690.  motionmotive  You need to explain how this law specifies diretionnto a directionless factor and enables if to act as a force. My explanation clearly stated why both directions are determined by the existence of gravity, a factor that you insist doesn’t exist. Again, state what this law of density is.
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  1691.  @EBDavis111  Do you understand what the word context means?
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  1692. The evidence is minimal, mixed and does not constitute “rock solid proof”
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  1693.  @emsuojaus573  You realise the research is not limited to telecom companies? That most will be covered by grants from research institutes. Research grants are a gamble and research institutes know it; the results may well be negative or indeterminate. Anything of interest will be reproduced and expanded upon by other people; it might turn out to be something & nothing, it might expand. Faked data will be noticed and faking it can end someone’s career. Without an identified health risk from transmission tower there is no reason to deny permission on health grounds.
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  1694.  @emsuojaus573  You quoted the the NIEHS ongoing project.
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  1695.  @emsuojaus573  The NCI has a long term internal project that has been running about 10 years (1ZIACP010135-25).
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  1696.  @emsuojaus573  Thd NTP concluded there was evidence of an association (not cause & effect) in particular male rats exposed and possible association in others. You’re over interpreting their conclusions.
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  1697.  @emsuojaus573  “IARC has concluded that...” And so? Why would a project not pay attention to what has been said elsewhere? It doesn’t mean they are automatically agreeing or disagreeing with that party, just taking note of what has been done and by what method. MRI is very different from a cell phone. Have you ever had one?
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  1698.  @emsuojaus573  That crap...
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  1699. Have you always weighed the same?
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  1700. Etienne Pienaar What distance is there between ground level and space? Is it substantially greater than the distance across a gas valve?
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  1701. ExtraWokeRedRum What do you think is wrong exactly and why? You profess to be questioning things and have a better handle in the subject than us do demonstrate that. Enlighten us.
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  1702. The virus was isolated & the genome sequenced, not manufactured. There is evidence that EcoHealth used the NIH grant for chimeric viruses but that was not the purpose of the grant.
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  1703. The original “they’re fooling you to fool you” at least had a motive though it didn’t explain the effort & expense necessary. That was replaced by hiding God by encouraging sun worship, economic control of the inaccessible lands beyond the dome & ice-wall and (one person) to establish total mind control by unspecified means.
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  1704.  @boterlettersukkel  I wonder how many of the anti-vaxxers are knocking back pints of antiseptic?
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  1705. Dsdcain Good luck. The only answers I’ve had are “they like fooling people” and “they can’t not lie”.
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  1706. He made two previous videos that are as polite as you wish. The FE’er response to each was and still is endless repetition of the claims he goes over in this video.
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  1707. Look at either Walter Bislins calculator or the one at https://www.metabunk.org/curve/ Too many of the others only consider curvature of the surface, not how far you can see which is dependent on other factors too.
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  1708. He’s a con artist. His question ties two things together via to a common factor because he knows some people’s brains won’t advance beyond that simplification.
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  1709. Ray Opeongo The gods will fix it 😊
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  1710. You can’t figure out for yourself how to test water with a magnet?
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  1711.  @spadesandaces4543  Punctuation would help if you wish to be understood. Water sticks to Earth because of gravitational attraction between Earth & water.
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  1712. At 30mph the effect would be a few inches and inconsequential for demonstrating conservation of momentum. If use an example with an enclosed atmosphere FE’er immediately think a dome is required and can’t progress beyond there.
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  1713. Every army is dependent on accurate maps 😊
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  1714. The speed is one revolution per day, not 1000mph; that would be the lateral speed at the equator and is meaningless in discussing rotational speed. Calculating it requires knowledge of the size of the circumference which was determined by Eratosthenes in about 300BC. Does your ball have a similar gravitational pull as a planet?
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  1715. You’ll encounter messed down people there 😊
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  1716. Just don't try putting up evidence that you're innocent. :-)
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  1717.  @Mrmusha53  How many people need to measure it to satisfy you that it has been measured?
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  1718.  @Mrmusha53  We can't sense motion, only infer it; what sense do you think I would be denying? Why would be it logical to start from the premise that everything is a conspiracy to fool you personally? What is your reasoning that multiple experiments by competing sources must be fake? Are you arguing that being unable to sense something means it doesn't exist? If so, how does radio work?
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  1719. Ask how watching the sun & stars for herself is somebody else propagating a myth.
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  1720.  @willardwayne3  I take it that the thought has never occurred to you that we both make use of the information and add to it and would notice if it didn't work? How do you think your computer or phone enables you to place your messages if the technology used is all wrong?
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  1721. Usual reasons given: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by...means... 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. Believing the Earth is a globe give the <insert favourite bogeymen> total mind control over you by.....means....
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  1722.  @Episcopalianacolyte  You asked what motives the FEers claimed existed; there aren’t any that make sense.
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  1723. Only on Star Trek 😊
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  1724.  @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  "Would have been great if it was fully recorded." Two months of continuous footage that still wouldn't be accepted by the deniers? Why bother?
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  1725. @Asr Mbacke It would make a change to mines that go down :-)
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  1726. wong I suppose the recruitment of the sealions was inevitable given the hordes of FEers heading to the Antarctic. 🙁
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  1727.  @UnconventionalReasoning  "The gravitational field is not always aligned to the center of gravity" Under what circumstances?
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  1728.  @jquest99  Analagous to an ellipse having two focii?
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  1729.  @UnconventionalReasoning  The electrical filed would flow around it and have no have an effect inside; if the gravitational field was really electrostatic then you would be able to float inside the Faraday cage.
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  1730. Why not? How much of the Earth would the sun light?
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  1731. Rotation is typically measured in revolutions per minute or radians per second. "Mph" is a linear speed, not a rotational one. Regardless of where you are on Earth, the rotational speed is one revolution per day or 0.0007 rpm. Centrifugal force is calculated from rotational speed AND distance from the axis of rotation. The Earth may be big but the rotational speed (0.0007rpm) is tiny. Even on the equator the centrifugal force is <0.5% that of gravity. That's why you don't get flung off.
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  1732. How fast do you expect the stars to change and why? Think carefully about angle & distance (trigonometry) before replying.
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  1733. YT has certain restrictions; as long as the videos (or the author) don’t contravene those then there is no reason to take them down. They have altered their search algorithms recently to disfavour FE videos.
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  1734. It still wouldn’t be high enough and it would still be visible around the clock.
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  1735. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of the word. Why is it the people who are profess to be thinking and asking questions never to think to ask what the definition of a scientific theory is?
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  1736. How do you think a plane can fly in a continuous curve with banking? On a globe the plane simply needs to remain in level flight and the air flow keeps it the same altitude as the Earth curves.
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  1737.  @mlj_the_shield  Daylight doesn’t come from the sun would you believe?
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  1738. They think they are and make it clear that we should see them that way.
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  1739. How many photos need to be taken to qualify as having been taken?
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  1740. Let them be to run advocating ignorance is knowledge, incredulity is enlightenment and demanding we abandon reason?
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  1741. Eratosthenes calculated the size of Earth fairly well; the area is now fully mapped. Where is this extra land?
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  1742.  @oscarmudd6579  I take it that you have no concept of the passage of time?
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  1743. ひFrosty The Earth revolves once a day, the Earth orbits the sun once a year and the moon orbits the Earth once a month. The sun appears to move because the Earth revolves. The moon appears to move because of the combined effect of the Earth’s revolution and its orbit around the Earth. As Peeter suggests, try watching how the sun & moon change position over the course of a month.
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  1744. You realise a turn is determined by the ailerons on the wings and their angle is visible from the passenger windows?
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  1745.  @jackevans7665  Saying the Earth is a globe is mundane; why would anybody be interested? In contrast putting up a video claiming a conspiracy appeals to a small group who hang on every word and to those who find idiots entertaining.
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  1746. happy muttonchop How does he rate his intelligence?
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  1747. stan smith The side of Earth facing the sun is illuminated in both cases. What do you think is wrong exactly? Do you think it should be night when the sun is up?
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  1748. stan smith I wouldn’t thought I could be plainer. Clocks & watches are calibrated for the solar day (24hrs) as opposed to the sidereal day (23hrs 56min).
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  1749. Explain two celestial poles, the distance between the southern continents and the circumference of Antarctica on a FE. Explain how a monopole magnet withdraw exist with the magnetic field perpendicular to a normal magnet. FE’ers claim they have the answers but none are able to provide them.
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  1750. Given that we selectively breed animals & vegetables it was quite logical at the time. It lacked knowledge of the biological complexities involved in gene numbers & expression.
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  1751. A basic necessity of being a free thinker is the ability to think.
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  1752.  @מאמיןחזק  Midnight sun in Antarctica is consistent with a globe and inconsistent with FE but you don’t think a midnight sun being observed would be evidence either way? Do you want to explain that? Or produce the FE model that enables a midnight sun in Antarctica?
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  1753.  @truthseeker4879  So who is the mysterious "they" and how do "they" exert such fantastical control over information world-wide? You're given the equation F = (G x m1 x m2) / r^2 and can't figure out r, m1, m2 all affect F? "if mass equals the power of the pull of gravity" Weight, not mass. "the sun gravity don’t suck up all the planets in the solar system" If the planets weren't moving then the sun would; orbits are the net effect of the planets' motions and the sun's gravity. You're exhibiting the usual failing point of being unable to understand more than one factor at a time. "stupid to take mainstream anything at it word" Everybody that has verified it has mysteriously become part of this mainstream? Do you think "they" are manipulating the behaviour of objects to make it appear gravity exists?
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  1754. Truth Seeker Would you accept such a film (Earth to ISS) as genuine?
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  1755.  @toprocks3612  Im assuming you mean that you’re a Real FE’er? Do you wish to divulge the Real Evidence?
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  1756. The Church accepted that the Earth was a sphere as per the geocentric Ptolemaic model. They objected to heliocentric theory since they saw that as undermining their “central”authority.
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  1757. Hervis Daubeny You could try refuting the points Dave made.
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  1758.  @ericb3157 Conclusions can change over time as data accumulates.
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  1759. 1. To fool you. 2. Hide God. No explanations forthcoming for how the latter would work and the motive for the former is apparently to fool you.
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  1760. To make money.
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  1761.  @stevenhornsby356  It remained the same size on the video of his that I watched; several separate recordings of it retaining the same size & velocity. An equation that assumes as even elevation of 6' or the equation for drop that assumes no elevation at all is not going to accurately calculate what is hidden by the geometric curve from your observation point; since atmospheric refraction also affects how far you can see, that too needs to be accounted for rather than ignored. Once all the factors are included there is no discrepancy. Lighthouses are built at higher elevations and/or as towers so they can be seen for a long distance; they are still limited in range.
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  1762.  @jojox1733  Generally that they are “luminaries” (fancy term for lights) embedded in the dome, othes place them “outside the dome” somewhere.
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  1763. Snag - we’re still waiting on FE’ers to produce a copy of their map.
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  1764.  @BrickSquad69  They’re insisting that only their map is accurate but they don’t produce it; a straight line could legitimately lead to anywhere on an absent map.
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  1765.  @lucjannastalek9978  Vacuum is the near or total absence of matter. If there is no matter in a vacuum then there is nothing there to do the sucking. Many people take the vernacular term "vacuum sucks" as a scientific basis for a vacuum to be exerting an effort rather than the matter being pushed into a vacuum by the pressure difference. This leads to various assertions where space is seen as a super-duper force that should rip the atmosphere away from Earth.
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  1766. MrSirhcsellor What phase the moon appeared to be would be dependent on the observer’s position relative to both. If both are above the equator in the 1 (?) to 3000 mile range then the viewing angles would vary across the disc/square/polygon.
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  1767. What’s your evidence to back that claim? Meanwhile: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1768. The sun & moon’s angular diameters & velocities din’t change as would happen if they were small and close to a FE.
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  1769. Reason Rules Unfortunately some people can be that stupid, the desire to be part of a select minority who can see a “great truth” overriding their ability to actually think. Some are con-artists our to make money, many are the trolls you describe but a good proportion are dumb clucks who believe it.
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  1770. They haven’t taken the claim seriously; when asked they’ve pointed out how we know it isn’t flat.
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  1771. What they can't see or envisage doesn't exist; digging down to look is the only way they can come up with to look below ground. Apparently the magnetic field is due to a huge undiscovered monopole magnet.
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  1772. Why isn’t the mystery force exerting any effect currently?
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  1773.  @aanobikdutta4444  "How can I? I mean, I don't know man" I told you earlier how it was deduced the Earth was a sphere, all of which you can observe for yourself. It requires observation and thought, nothing more.
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  1774.  @envergrainca2968  Look up geodesy.
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  1775.  @anonimoactornauta7858  Try providing those explanations. Why do FE’ers always say look elsewhere if you’re so sure if the answers?
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  1776. If you are above the equator the moon appears one way up, below the equator it is "upside down"; on a FE it would have to be circling above the equator.
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  1777. Since when has chemistry not been a science? What subjects do you think science covers?
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  1778.  @pitotipp  One rotation per day which is not the blur you’re envisaging, and you can follow it on EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L.
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  1779.  @jefferylittleton1005  "Heart disease and diabetes mellitus for example, can be completely reversed and cured through eating a traditional diet" No, they can't. A responsible diet can alleviate the symptoms arising from each but is not going to reverse the damage that has been done. The body has limited regenerative properties, especially as you get older; the right diet & lifestyle can optimise what does exist but is not curative. Statins can lower the risk of heart attack but the patient is still susceptible to other diseases with increase in risk with age. A good diet can prevent AGE's from wreaking more damage or limit the accumulation in the first place but is not going reverse the damage that has been done. Cancer are not spread by glucose metabolism; all cells use glucose, some cancers use far more than most so limiting the glucose supply can slow the growth but is not curative. A diet is not going to cure you. It can reduce the severity of the damage, it can alleviate persistent symptoms but it is not curative. Neither does medicine consist solely of popping a pill to handle a symptom; it does try to deal with the underlying cause but the "interconnected system" is hideously complex.
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  1780.  @jefferylittleton1005  "a ketogenic diet is prescribed for epileptic patients and nearly eliminates seizures in many patients," Kids whose metabolism can handle that level of fat intake and it works on some, not many. "They're compiling data from epidemiological studies and applying their own confirmation bias to it. Science requires experimentation." Or observation, e.g., epidemiological studies. There are limits to the experimentation you can carry out on humans and what conditions you can impose on people. A mouse lives for two years and is happy with simple diet and no television. You can't impose a spartan, highly controlled lifestyle on a human, much less do so for a 20 year span.
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  1781.  @jefferylittleton1005  Reversing some of the damage but not curing it. The ketogenic diet for epilepsy is not the same as the Atkins diet; it is aimed at kids since they have a greater fat metabolism rate. The statin article is specific for heart attacks rather than cardiovascular disease generally (can't get to the original article form home).
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  1782.  @jefferylittleton1005  Then say control or regulate rather than cure. You are assuming that everybody has an adult metabolism; kids can metabolise the fat better than adults hence the use in kids rather than adults to try to regulate epilepsy. That's why I would like to see the original paper. I now about the Warburg effect; limiting the glucose supply can slow the growth of the cancer cells but you can't eliminate glucose from your system.
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  1783. They work in the assumption that science must contain experimentation and therefore branches of science who are reliant on observation are not really sciences; they find that easier than trying to explain the observations.
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  1784.  @Rolls....Royce....  In the same presentation Tyson also described small those deviations from a perfect sphere actually are. The globe map (3D) is accurate; all projections onto a 2D surface will be distorted. We are still waiting for anybody to produce this accurate 2D map.
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  1785. Apparently there is this “easily found” El Dorado of videos containing such proofs though no FEers can remember where or what any of the content actually is.
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  1786. Explain why Long Island doesn’t get in the way and provide some evidence.
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  1787. It looks like the Gleason azimuthal projection.
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  1788. @Sike You can see about 200 miles at most from a hot air balloon; a 400 mile diameter equates to around 5 degrees curvature, not something that would be obvious. It definitely isn't high enough to be able to see the horizon curve.
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  1789. @Sike Explain how you think an equation with one variable is going to accommodate three factors.
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  1790. @Sike My explanation came before the “insult”.
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  1791. Ask them why they think an ocean and a fly have the same weight. It’s the unspoken premise behind the question and the Thinkers don’t see it.
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  1792.  @seand0112  The presumption is that the same gravitational attraction from Earth means the same force applied to ocean & fly, i.e., they weigh the same, something which is patently absurd and hence not explicitly stated by the guru. The fly has only to lift its own weight for which purpose its wings are sufficient.
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  1793. YT didn’t delete them; they modified the search algorithms so misinformation videos are disfavoured. Some have been deleted by their owners but that is not YT’s doing.
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  1794. Scott Meyer Presumably with a fiendish security system...
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  1795. ericb31 While they were hunting for the videos there was still one machine capable of reading the tapes; it was due to be scrapped but was kept in operation to enable the hunt. The located tapes were blank.
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  1796. They don’t believe anybody knows because nobody has been down to see it. The existence of seismology is unknown to them.
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  1797. JungleMom 12 #1 You can’t even get the continental layout straight; when you can’t manage the most basic of detail how do you propose to make an accurate map? #2 Then it isn’t wise for someone to be claiming it works on a FE map. #3a https://www.space.com/amp/37774-total-solar-eclipse-moves-west-to-east.html #3b Learn about umbra & penumbra.
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  1798. See his later videos on the subject 😊
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  1799. Electrostatic charge. It declines by the cubic distance, not the square distance, abd is proportional to the charge on each object, leading to attractive and repulsive forces. It’s bit like arguing that you can lift & lower something and thus up & down is caused by invisible people pushing objects.
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  1800.  @haemocyte2224  And as we pointed out, it doesn’t act like or replace gravity. FEers also note magnetic attraction and some claim that gravity is thus magnetism but can’t follow through on how that could work.
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  1801. That filmed Armstrong was mounted on the side of the craft and activated from inside. Aldrin was filmed byArmstrong. How does a flag i a still photo move exactly?
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  1802.  @proph9916  Clouds consist of microdroplets that are small enough for buoyancy to be a significant effect.
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  1803.  @proph9916  Unfortunately we get a lot of Aha! questions on here.
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  1804. You have to first find the IQ to test it 😊
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  1805. The red launch button being Rudolph’s nose?
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  1806. Does a set distance change size?
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  1807. I didn't say that you did, just that other people explicitly had.  @zsdavfan123 
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  1808. Remember that a good experiment has to have multiple assays for best accuracy. 😊
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  1809.  @flippitydooda7996  If you flipped the table AND flipped the direction of gravity simultaneously how would you tell which way up you are?
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  1810. Not a new moon.
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  1811.  @TonydaMoovah  The sun illuminates the side of the moon that is facing it; depending on where the moon is in its orbit determines the phase we see, ie., how much of that sunlit side we can see. At a new moon the sunlit side is totally facing away from us. If you look at a partial moon at night you can see the faint outline of the whole moon; that fainter part is illuminated by earthlight, ie., sunlight reflected from the Earth. Light intensity varies; it is not a matter of there or absent. During the day the brightness is about 30,000 to 130,000 lux. A full moon is about 0.1 lux. Your eyes are very adaptable to the ambient brightness. That you can see well enough read in a book in both is indicative of the adaptability of the human eye, not to comparable brightness of sun & moon.
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  1812.  @TonydaMoovah  The phases of the moon are sunlit, not earthlit. That you can see a sunlit bit tells you nothing about the light intensity from earthlight. Earthlight is just the tiny amount of light the Earth reflects from the sun. When the sun isn't in the sky you can just about discern the earthlit portion of the moon. With the sun in the sky the difference in brightness is too great for your eye to handle. You do realise that very little sunlight is reflected from the moon & Earth? The moon is not like a mirror; it just reflects some light like every other object? That the earthlit portion of the moon is only reflecting a tiny amount of the earthlight reaching it? FED asked about photos from the ISS. The sun is very bright and requires a very sort exposure. Earthlight is faint and requires a much longer exposure. You can't have two different length exposures simultaneously. While your eye is more versatile than a camera at handling intensity there is still a limit in the range of intensity it can handle at one time. You can see the sunlit portion in daytime but not the much fainter earthlit portion which is what is being asked about.
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  1813.  @TonydaMoovah  To be clear, anything & everything reflect light. You ca see something because it is reflecting light. Nothing is required to be a mirror to reflect light. The amount of sunlight reflected by Venus & Mars is also paltry. That you can see them at all is due to the versatility of your eyes, not because they are as bright as the sun.
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  1814.  @seamusflannery3374  As in too self-evident to be worth explaining; it can (normally) be taken as read that everybody already knows & understands it. Including it in an explanation would be adding trivia.
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  1815.  @shadowstar7388  You’re presuming a purpose to the event then hailing the event as evidence of a purpose.
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  1816.  @shadowstar7388  Swearing at the rice could well add some sputum to it. It needs to be done without taking the lids off.
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  1817.  @Olgierdson  You could at least touch an invisible wall.
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  1818. The reasoning seems to be if they can see it then it must be close.
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  1819. One of you actually needs to produce this working model you keep claiming you have. Step up to the plate.
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  1820.  @cxlumbine  With some people, if you ask questions they don't want to answer they simply ban you from the channel; nobody else can see your question. The only way you would know that had happened is to read the comments from another account or without being logged in at all.
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  1821. He is intentionally deceiving, aiming at the people whose thought processes are superficial and can’t get beyond a single factor.
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  1822. Can you give us the juicy details? 🤔
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  1823. Do you understand that a sphere has a curved surface?
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  1824. The oblation is a slight flattening at the poles, not a gross distortion.
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  1825. @Ath That you compared the moon to a smooth polished sphere and were looking for the reflection of a spotlight rather indicates that you don’t understand. I’m not ploughing through Dubay’s videos contributing to his revenue. What are you claiming he’s done? Zoomed the set sun back into view? Funny thing is that receding objects only disappear from the bottom up when the demonstrator uses a curved surface, eg, a cambered playing field. None of you have ever tried explaining WHY you think perspective would make something disappear from the bottom up when it simply refers to all dimensions reducing in apparent size equally. Do you want to try?
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  1826. J Daniels Something called writing existed long before then.
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  1827. Stellar parallax demonstrates Earth's orbit. Try the challenges.
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  1828. Philip Grooms Reproducing results is what is required to check the results are correct. Oblation is 0.3%, not the 30% you’re visualising.
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  1829. When two masses attract one another they move in opposite directions. What do you think happens?
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  1830. 2000 thumbs down yet the only "rebuttal" I've read essentially repeated one of the FE claims covered in the video.
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  1831. https://www.satimagingcorp.com/gallery/landsat/landsat-antarctica/
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  1832. Mark Wilson When the orbits of Mercury & Venus take them up to 10 & 20 degrees away from the sun why would it not be possible for them to be seen at night?
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  1833. Relative to what?
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  1834.  @drfaustens4504  Unfortunately you are doing a good job of mimicking FE’ers.
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  1835. David Watson Does he ever provide references to those papers?
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  1836. Americans love conspiracy theories generally.
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  1837. Try climbing out of your rabbit hole.
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  1838. The moon orbits the Earth and you can’t figure out how it would be on the sunwards side part of the time?
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  1839. I have a bad memory for names. Can someone remind me who is willing to debate eviscerate FE'ers online?
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  1840. Plenty of responses, zero attempts at meeting the challenges.
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  1841. https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html
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  1842. Try showing her this video and its successors.
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  1843. Asking another “unanswered question” rather than making a point.
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  1844. When eyeballing is the only evidence FEers can comprehend, who do you think went to look?
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  1845. Aleksander Feja There’s nothing much to talk about. There’s no benefit to building a permanent base there or mounting more manned missions for exploration.
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  1846. Dave, have you directly communicated with her? This strikes me as two scientific communicators disagreeing on the methodology (or wisdom) for describing the problems within academia.
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  1847.  Name Name  You seem to have bought into every conspiracy there is. Have you considered using your brain?
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  1848. Stanley Lubarski Examples?
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  1849. They seem pretty dense so presumably something is there 😊
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  1850. Perhaps you could enlighten us on what these “strong arguments” are?
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  1851. Scale is definitely not their strong point.
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  1852.  @charlieharris4881  The search was under 2 min or the flight? 😊
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  1853. FE’ers agree on only two things: the earth is flat and that they are agreed on the details. There is no official model. In replying to somebody’s FE assertions it is necessary to figure out what details they personally believe.Their explanations are all ad hoc reasoning and frequently self-contradictory. They’ve never supplied a plausible motive for why anybody would benefit from a globe hoax.
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  1854.  @xonerate371  " If it is ‘refraction’ how come the lights appear level at 8 miles to 5 miles" What do you think refraction is exactly because that is the effect it would have. "you can only see the lights at an extreme zoom making the refraction argument a fantasy" Again, what exactly do you think refraction is?
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  1855.  @xonerate371  People are being short with you because you're asking questions that we have answered repeatedly in the past; endlessly repeating ourselves is wearing, particularly the underlying point that all factors have to be accurately accounted for in calculations & experiments.
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  1856. Must be the B-side; we don’t see an arm moving across the sky.
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  1857. It’s one way the brain deals with cognitive dissonance; the person genuinely believes they have always held their revised view of a subject.
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  1858.  @toprocks3612  Nothing in the treaty forbids travel to Antarctica. Do any of you actually bother checking it?
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  1859. The "flat" maps we use are projections of a globe onto the more convenient flat surface; geometry means there will be distortions. FE'ers claim they can make an undistorted flat map but never produce one. The challenge is that they actually do what they claim can be done or has been done.
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  1860. The kangaroos must be in on it as well as the penguins.
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  1861.  @zeendaniels5809  Somebody else used the term (twice) in that context. It evidently had meaning to him but he never said what.
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  1862. Perhaps there’s a gremlin in your computer selecting videos for you? 😊
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  1863. They are powered by nuclear fusion, not combustion.
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  1864. It’s aimed at people looking down the rabbit hole rather than those who’ve fallen down it.
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  1865. Inertia. The landed plane, the atmosphere and had Earth are all moving eastwards at the same speed. When the plane takes off it maintains that momentum the same a thrown ball continues moving when it leaves your hand.
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  1866.  @sagnhill  It means the available data is not conclusive (limited amount of data and/or possibility of error) but that there is a trend in what data is available.
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  1867. 1. Which assumes that there is religious teaching against vaccines rather than people trying to find an excuse. 2. Serious reactions are relatively rare but do exist though with lower probability than actually catching the disease if there wasn't a vaccination programme. I doubt you had 32 vaccines in one go. It is normal for mild symptoms to appear in some people after vaccination; the whole purpose of vaccines is to activate the immune system and sometimes it is apparent.
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  1868. Presumably not in "The Clouds". :-)
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  1869. 1. They're fooling you to fool you... 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall & impenetrable dome. 4. To establish total mind control over you. No explanation yet forthcoming how any of that could be achieved.
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  1870. Free Geek You’ve been to a military base or be simply setting foot in Antarctica you were blessed with the knowledge of everything on the continent?
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  1871. @Anthony AT I think it's more a case than you would see a different face of the moon. If everybody sees the same face everywhere except inverted in the southern hemisphere then it could be argued that the moon is flat but that would also mean it would appear circular only if you were directly underneath it.
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  1872.  @theredlumas2 He’s joking.
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  1873.  @ronnietexan  It’s a subject where face-palming assertions by FE’ers are common.
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  1874.  @IFS  Thanks.
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  1875.  @ericb3157  They're spherical, they're flat, they're just lights, they don't exist. FE'ers are agreed that they are agreed on details but they aren't agreed on what it is they're agreed upon.
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  1876. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Not that hard.
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  1877. You haven’t checked any to see what was actually said, just unquestioningly accepted the content of a Youtube video.
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  1878. When you throw a ball does it continue moving when it leaves your hand? The same happens to the plane when it breaks contact with the ground.
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  1879. Check the full series of what he has made, starting with the educational astronomy video. Referring to FE’ers as morons is justifiable.
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  1880. @@GuigeekPlayz?
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  1881. @@GuigeekPlayzDo you mean explain for the zillionth time that elevation & refraction are key factors in determining how far you can see? Ask fruitlessly fir the zillionth time how fixed objects change position or rise & sink for no apparent reason?
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  1882. More people are reading that commenting; if the questions aren’t answered it leaves doubt in some of their minds.
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  1883.  @redude08  Poe’s Law. The wachier the subject the more difficult it is to recognise satire.
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  1884. They can’t try until they find a flat bulb.
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  1885.  @TheBlueskyson  Unable to supply any counter-arguments is holding his own how exactly?
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  1886.  @TheBlueskyson  I can’t find a point at which he does go into the theory of spectroscopy. Could you supply a time point.
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  1887.  @TheBlueskyson  So what is the benefit of running around misleading people?
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  1888.  @TheBlueskyson  Idea rather than a theory and a poor idea at that.
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  1889. Vaccines have efficacy and low risk; equating less than 100% efficacy as useless and low risk as inevitable is dumb. The radiation the Apollo astronauts had to deal with was blocked by low atomic mass elements, e.g., aluminium hull, carbon fiber insulation and water tanks. Assuming radiation to be unblock able is dumb. Dismissing everything as a lie is dumb.
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  1890. Duston Hampe To quote NASA: “The new Hubble age estimates reduce the range of measurement uncertainty, so that the star's age overlaps with the universe's age — as independently determined by the rate of expansion of space, an analysis of the microwave background from the big bang, and measurements of radioactive decay.” Measurements are not absolutes; they come with an error range.
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  1891.  @dhirendrarajkumar1785  How do you reconcile gentle slope with sheer drop?
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  1892.  @cryptojoecoin5480  Why would you fly off exactly?
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  1893.  @wdf70  North is placed at the top purely by convention.
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  1894. Hope Rodrig You’re seeing the campfire; the light from it is reaching you. That the path of the light has become distorted means the campfire is not quite where you think it is.
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  1895. Hope Rodrig It has to be there and generating light for the light to be refracted. If you can see it then it exists. Refraction means it appears higher than it actually is. Chicago was a mirage, which is not the usual conditions. Different layers of air cause them, not general atmospheric humidity. There’s no reason you wouldn’t be able to focus lenses; you would be looking at a real object. The shoreline came into view as they travelled across the lake, just as you would expect,mirage or not.
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  1896. What do you think would pull it off?
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  1897. What glaring holes?
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  1898. Put another way, the satellite is moving rapidly sideways while gravity pull sit directly down; at the right sideways speed the net result is a curve around the Earth. The ISS has an orbital time of about 90min which would mean a change of about 0.07 degrees per second. Regardless of the speed of the ISS, it's not a rate of change that jumps out at you.
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  1899. Simon Melkor A few will have some mental illness. However humans are not as rational as we like to think, our brains evolved to be able to arrive at quick decisions from minimal information. Such decisions are generally correct or the consequent action of an incorrect conclusion not having serious consequences; eg, associating snapping twigs with a predator and running away. Downside is that we too readily make quick decisions and erroneously believing we have cogitated on extensive information; that is the main problem here.
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  1900.  @jarrod4203 It’s a common misconception. The Coriolis force is real but requires a large area to be apparent.
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  1901. How many photos need to be taken & shown to satisfy you?
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  1902. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. Tell me what you believe the explanation to be.
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  1903.  @Robocal  You aren't the clearest communicator. Do you want to clarify what you mean?
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  1904. edwin ico A propellor-driven plane was forced to put down due to a build up of ice on the engine, a recurrent risk in that climate. No planes or people disappeared. When a plane is incapable of flying high enough to interact with the VAB then it isn’t going to interact with the VAB. Clear? The only connection between Antarctica & VAB is that Van Allen was (at that time) a junior for the guy who designed Byrd’s scientific equipment.
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  1905.  @josephprettner6696  It can be difficult to tell who's serious :-)
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  1906. The shape of the Earth was low hanging fruit.
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  1907. dresib They don’t. Satellite dishes pointed up into the sky are supposedly aimed at (apparently invisible) radio towers.
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  1908. Free speech does not mean that what you say can’t be criticized or questioned, just that no unreasonable restrictions be placed upon what you can say.
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  1909.  @antiksur8883  They see doing it inside a sealed vehicle as proof a dome is necessary for it to work outside the vehicle.
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  1910. Try an example with a hula hoop held horizontally at eye level with their head in the centre and so how curved it appears.
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  1911.  @Ian-gk7ne  Definitely spherical.
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  1912. @Smile Abdillaah  The stars are distant and moving in a similar direction as the sun as the whole galaxy rotates; it requires 10,000’s years for changes to be readily apparent to the eye. That they change is noted (hence updating almanacs) but you need to appreciate the distances involved.
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  1913. Try rebutting it.
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  1914. How did explain density acting as a force and why it would do so in a consistent direction?
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  1915. You can’t start with weight when calculating weight. You weigh about 0.3% less at the equator. Fine balances have to be calibrated for their location.
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  1916.  @petspro3453  Quite likely from picking the ripe fruit on the tree in preference to the unripened majority of the fruit; the person who observes the picked fruit can be given the impression that is what all the fruit look like. I have no idea why cherries specifically would adopted for the phrase since other fruits can have a distinct colour difference.
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  1917. Because they want to spread their ineptitude for numbers, scale, logic, reasoning etc
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  1918. He originally released a video in his astronomy series that explained how we know the Earth isn't flat. The FE response was vitriolic and what reasoning they did provide is pretty much covered by this video.
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  1919. The rotational period is the same as its orbital period so the same side is always facing us.
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  1920.  @stylesrj  He’s gotten as far as “probes filled with helium” that aren’t balloons.
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  1921.  @_Alhemist  Only you here considers it non-functional and you are essentially reduced to asking for the programming it uses to carry out calculations. You’ve gotten as far as “probes filled with helium” mysteriously calculating a position on a map none of you can ever provide. Has it not occurred to you that you have double standards?
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  1922.  @_Alhemist  You said the alternative to GPS used probes gilled with helium. You’re demanding details from other people but you refuse to explain by your concept. What do you think the GPS receiver is lacking and why do you think that?
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  1923. SpontaneousDX Because the people telling you the location is supposed to be below the curve don’t bother taking elevation of observer & object or the refraction in the atmosphere between. Some are being disingenuous, others it’s a matter of being unable to handle more than one variable at a time.
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  1924. The camera doesn’t even jiggle on “impact”.
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  1925. Prove it yourself https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1926. NebTheWeb You might want to correct the “density is directional” bit 😊
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  1927. If I got the same results as you then the recurrent cloud shape is the continent itself.
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  1928. Q as in Star Trek or the Bond films?
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  1929. Chucking Milky Way bars under a steamroller?
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  1930. Read the FE comments to his earlier videos on the subject; his words aren’t ad hominems
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  1931.  @jeremyforbes2636  Ad hominem is argument that consists of defaming the person rather than answering their argument. Their arguments have begun debunked multiple times in detail and they keep making them as if repeating them makes them true. The aim of this video was to pose challenges to the self-professed Thinkers, not debunk their arguments yet again.
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  1932. If the ice-wall is as unsurmountable as they claim then how did anybody see over it and how are they going to take economic advantage of a place they can't get to?
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  1933. What would you accept as evidence?
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  1934.  @TahaJelani  It wouldn’t be flat over a large area, just level.
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  1935. Solo Fourohsix Your grasp of numbers seems to be the same as other FE’ers: there’s nothing and there’s huge.
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  1936.  @zodiacleo5865  In science we debate the evidence; we are still waiting for FE'ers to provide any evidence to debate.
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  1937. Entropian2012 When standing on the equator you can look north and see the stars moving anticlockwise (east to west) or south and see them rotating clockwise (east to west). Neither centre point of the rotation will be visible; both lie on the horizon.
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  1938.  @Entropian2012  Longer to circumnavigate by what means and what route and by how much difference? Kindly don't refer to Captain Cook's voyages; it's tiresome explaining to people who haven't thought to check his routes. "The artic circle and the antarctic both should have similar climates" Why? Antarctica is a continent surrounded by seas while the Arctic is ocean surrounded by continents. "coincidentally on the flat earth model the north gets more sun light" While in reality Arctica & Antarctica receive the same. Have you bothered checking the times?
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  1939.  @Entropian2012  They receive the same amount of sunlight. Still waiting on any explanation from a FE'er as to how the Antarctic can have 24 hr sunlight. "various sea captains reporting on it in their writings." How did they sail through continents? "Pear shaped earth being wider in the southern hemisphere." By about 40 metres in a radius of 6.4 million metres. It's not going to make a noticeable difference.
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  1940.  @Entropian2012  To clarify - they receive the same amount of sunlight in observable reality. No, it isn't explained by caustic optics.
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  1941. What’s your technique for identifying fake photos?
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  1942. Prof Dave did debunk what he said. Pointing out that somebody is being idiot is only an ad hominem when the insult is the counter-argument.
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  1943. Conservation of momentum. When your car is parked on your driveway it moves with the Earth. When you drive it you modify that momentum, not magically lose it when you turn the key.
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  1944.  @hirokomlm131  PubMed turns up over 300,000 research papers about Covid-19. What makes you think nobody was looking for a cure or effective treatment?
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  1945.  @hirokomlm131  For 90% the illness could be sufficiently handled by their immune system. 10% required hospital care, one in ten of those requiring respirator support. There wasn’t and still isn’t a cure; we’re talking about a virus, not a microbe. There are palliatives that ease the symptoms, reducing the stress on the body and thus increasing its ability to fight the infection. Vaccines are preventive, reducing the probability of you catching & transmitting the virus.
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  1946.  @hirokomlm131  We are biologically individual, not clones. Compromises in the immune system aside, we all possess the same immune system; it works exactly the same way in everybody. Since we are individuals there are multiple variables also involved, eg, genetics, general state of health, diet, exactly how fast each body responded and infectious dose to begin with. What was found (with time) was that people with pre-existing cardio-respiratory diseases were more likely to die. There was nothing special about those who survived. That something is found to have palliative effects in some does not make that something a cure. Somebody promoting such a palliative as a cure makes them irresponsible, nit insightful & suppressed. One vaccine was made by Pfizer. Just one. Look through some of the research on Pubmed, who was doing it and on what aspects.
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  1947.  @kevwhufc8640  Reread what I wrote and think. You're talking about a flat projection of a globe map as if it was the 3D globe map. It's a direct line in 3D, an arc on a flat projection of that map.
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  1948.  @fosty.  I had one lick the car window once 😊
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  1949. King Veteran How does the sun retain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day?
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  1950.  @jonelliott4985  Punctuation is there for clarity, not ornamentation. FE'ers accept there is 24hr sunshine in the Arctic Circle because they can think they can explain it on a FE. They deny it occurs in the Antarctic Circle because they can't explain it (or even longer days in summer) and claim Antarctica is sealed off to prevent people finding out there isn't 24hr summer sun there. You can go to the southern tip of South America (Ushaia) and observe a 19hr day. The radius of the globe is 3,900 miles. Mt Everest is 5.5 miles high. That is about 0.14% of the Earth's radius. Mountains don't contribute significantly to the shape of the Earth. The deviation from a perfect sphere, e.g., polar oblation, is similarly minute on a planetary scale. The Antarctica Treaty prevents military bases and requires visitors to adhere strict regulations for avoiding contamination of the environment there. It does not prevent anybody actually going to Antarctica. There is a booming tourist trade and various people have traipsed across it. The tallest Antarctic mountains are about 16,000ft (about 3 miles) high. The atmosphere is free-floating gases; there's no part of the atmosphere that doesn't have free-floating gases. No gas, no atmosphere. Gravitational attraction is proportional to the squared distance from the object's centre of mass. Earth's radius is 3,900 miles; the gravity on Mt Everest's summit is about 99.7% that at sea-level. Gases move according to whichever forces are acting upon them. They don't go looking for higher temperatures. There is no flat part of a sphere; the Earth is a sphere and orbits the sun. It rotates on its axis every 24 hours while doing so. The axial wobble has a period of 24,000 years. There is no substantial orbital decay at present. A vacuum is devoid of all matter including gases; it does not cause gases to liquify or freeze. Low temperatures do cause liquification which is probably what you're thinking of. No, you do not need to personally go into space to determine that the Earth is a sphere. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. There is nothing banning you from travelling around the world. Observe the moon for long enough and you will see about 60% of it over time; while tidal locking keeps the same face pointed at it the interaction of sun, Earth & moon means there is a slight jiggle. With a high enough resolution you can also observe the shadow of lunar mountains and how they change with lunar orbit. It's clearly not a disk. Light does not decay.
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  1951.  @jonelliott4985  Photons don’t decay; they can be reflected or absorbed by matter which is what you are describing, ie, dust & vapour in the air dissipating the beam. You’re referring to the decay of radioactive elements, where the nucleus splits releasing particle or EM radiation. Decay obviously produces decreasing amounts of parent isotope but this is not what happens to photons or any other EM radiation.
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  1952.  @jonelliott4985  I already told you the difference between decay and absorption. The two are quite difference. Photons do not use their own energy to keep moving. You’re conflating the dissipation of a beam of light (result of absorption & deflection) with what applies to individual photons. Individually they keep moving until their path is blocked regardless of the distance travelled.
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  1953. In addition, no vaccine is 100% effective so even among the vaccinated there will be a minority who aren’t immune; there will always be a pool of non-immune people and the smaller that pool the less chance of an infection spreading and/or mutating.
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  1954. Fewer miles not more miles. Still waiting on a FE’er to explain he that can be achieved.
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  1955. A FE sun is (usually) a sphere shining light in all directions but only downwards.
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  1956.  @pibit6646 No kidding. I haven’t been able yet to pry an explanation how density force is supposed to be possible; they haven’t thought that far.
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  1957.  @JasonEfstathiou  Most deny that was ever suggested, mostly because it hasn’t occurred to them that the past can differ from the present they are experiencing. Despite the obvious problems it is actually the only hypothesis that would actually lead to an apparent downwards acceleration of falling objects.
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  1958. You’re confusing theory and hypothesis; a hypothesis is an untested or incompletely tested idea, a scientific theory a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. That there is much we don’t know does not make what we do know wrong.
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  1959. Tii Fit Wellness Over the course of over 2 millennia we have Earth’s shape mapped to the square meter. All competent research finds curvature. We have satellites in orbit taking pictures several times an hour. What’s your reasoning for concluding it might just be flat and it’s all a huge coincidence that people find curvature all the time?
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  1960. What good points do you think FED made?
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  1961.  @ericb3157  How did he manage to dream up the term “twistronics”?
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  1962.  @lvdvbc  Have you looked at the debunking playlist?
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  1963. This is the latest of number about FE; politeness doesn’t work.
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  1964. Claimed motives: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by...means.... 3. To take economic control of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome. 4. To establish total mind control.
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  1965.  @andresreal8261  ‘Cos fooling you is what they do.... I think they realised the endless iteration since I haven’t seen that one of late. I’ve tried getting answers to the rest; no joy.
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  1966.  @deltatransports6131  You think “Derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model” is about a space station because….?
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  1967.  @deltatransports6131  You cant comprehend a difference between air and space? Do you think that FE flight examples are the only flights that exist or that everybody should ignore flights that contradict FE?
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  1968. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  1969.  @Bobshinglebottom  Subjects like this depend on empirical data not subjective observations.
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  1970. Will Botti N-S circumnavigation https://www.onemoreorbit.com
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  1971.  @craigmunro2008  As I said yiu at need to at least use Google Scholar ; Google alone will not give a high search rating to something so technical. 8” per mike squared dies nit take into account elevation & refraction; they can’t be ignored. You seem to be starting from the presumption of a horizontal plane. The atmosphere curves with the globe; light travelling in a straight line would pass through varying altitudes.
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  1972. No takers so far though a number have declared the challenges invalid for reasons they are unable to give.
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  1973.  @whatdupa2454  “It Could Happen To You” was based off a true story but was largely fictional.
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  1974. Apparently believing the Earth is a globe gives Them total mind control over you by....means....
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  1975. eric Sandersfield Moving upwards at a constant velocity would not explain why a falling object accelerates. If they try to argue a FE accelerated upwards at 9.8m/s^2 then they teach light speed within a year. Most now try to argue density makes objects fall though can’t explain (or understand the necessity of explaining) how density could act as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  1976. Built when?
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  1977. And empty seats that FE’ers could have used.
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  1978. The plane flies through the atmosphere and the atmosphere rotates with the Earth. Weather is variation within the atmosphere and there are prevailing westerly winds in that region, hence the longer flight.
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  1979. CHRIS Mayen https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  1980. A bonny Scotsman with an Irish name?
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  1981.  @DrSakthi  You cane up with the deviation in miles and still don’t realise how small that is on the scale of a planet?
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  1982. "You can't just shut up and let him explain?" FED's explanation was skipping onto the next question. How big do you think the "space crap" is?
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  1983. Newton died while the Freemasons were still just stonemasons.
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  1984. Why would you expect a star that lies on the Earth’s rotational axis to move around the sky?
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  1985. mangojulie123 Within these videos the people asking such questions are usually FE’ers who think their inability to fathom the answers means they have discovered gaping holes in explanations of the solar system and therefore they have proof the Earth is flat. This kind of forum is its own microcosm, not a reflection of real life.
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  1986. But can he remember what he actually saw there?
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  1987. Some claim FED won because they feel Prof Dave’s attitude meant he didn’t answer FED’s questions, others are now calling FED “controlled opposition”.
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  1988. Capt'Wes Starwind Always reminds me of the 1950’s tv series portrayal of space like Flash Gordon.
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  1989.  @philaypeephilippotter6532  That’s unusual; most people only go back to 4-5 years old.
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  1990. Richard Rodriguez They aren’t producing proof, just making conspiracy claims.
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  1991.  @Wolverine985  Something which is true of any government: it consist of each country's citizens. Portraying them as a race apart whose raison d'etre is malevolence and who work rigidly in-step with a unified purpose of total domination (or extermination) is simply invoking a bogeyman rather than addressing the issue of accountability. Cock-ups occur, over-reach occurs - it doesn't follow that anything & everything should be automatically distrusted; that way lies paranoia, not accountability.
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  1992. They never answer.
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  1993. Close eyes, insert fingers in ears and start chanting. 😊
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  1994.  @The_Qu  The OT was written in Hebrew; the language didn’t have separate words for circle & sphere, relying on the context. Assuming a fairly even elevation, the horizon delineates a circle around you. Unless you are directly above the centre a circle would look oval from most angles.
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  1995. Raindrops, waterfalls, waves, meniscus.
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  1996.  @rusblock  Not necessarily in the US 😊
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  1997.  @rusblock  I’m in the US.
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  1998. The moon orbits the Earth over the course of 28 days; it spends half the orbit on the sunwards side of Earth.
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  1999. How much do you think there would be and how go you expect to ingest them exactly?
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  2000.  @jimmydeltronic8453  Comments with links other than YT are frequently blocked by YT. Try giving the papers reference or PMID. Birth control pills use similar compounds to estrogen. They undergo partial breakdown in the gut as they are ingested and enter the bloodstream as compounds less susceptible to breakdown (they would be degraded within minutes if they were estrogen).
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  2001.  @philaypeephilippotter6532  Few of the ones who have gone down the rabbit hole; those who were simply looking down it are more amenable to reason.
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  2002.  @mulder2400  How is NASA paying off Branson?
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  2003. Any takers?
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  2004.  @rayopeongo  Perhaps it’s a giant, one-way cat-flap? 🤔
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  2005.  @rayopeongo  If we wait for the next large asteroid heading for Earth we could calculate its trajectory, get a FE'er to cough up the height of this dome and pinpoint the catflap's position.
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  2006. He knows FE’ers visualise that size of sphere.
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  2007. They at least had expeditions to the edge :-)
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  2008. Because the atmosphere is rarified there is very little there to carry heat. Each atom/molecule may have a high temperature but with a tiny heat capacity there is very little heat to be transmitted on contact.
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  2009. Shell Ryke Have you never wondered why lighthouses are tall buildings and usually set in high places?
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  2010. Celestial glow fish that swim forwards or backwards for reasons.
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  2011.  @q12aw50  They're using the Real Spelling, not the incorrect ones forces upon school kids by The Government 🙂
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  2012. If it was really density then both should have risen slowly upwards, the stick slower than the stone. Air pressure declined with increasing altitude so there is slightly density above them.
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  2013.  @ankur6998  You infer the Earth is flat from “spread like acarpet” but ignore the explicit shaped like an ostrich egg?
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  2014. 360 degrees divided by 25,000 miles = 0.0144 degrees curvature per mile. Bear that in mind when looking out over water.
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  2015. millertas Columbus thought the globe was much smaller than concluded and believed it feasible to sail directly westwards to India rather than around Africa. Hence his discovery of the West Indies.
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  2016. The pronunciation differs from country to country. There is no universal pronunciation.
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  2017.  @mrxmry3264  YT is currently playing up and delivering comments to an individual’s computer is a little unreliable. Probably due to server time outs as it collates comments from multiple sources. The main purpose of YT is to play videos; comments are secondary to that.
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  2018.  @MM-ig1iv  Explain how you think NASA could have influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  2019.  @acikusej  A probability of near certainty. Meanwhile you are assuming the universe was artificially created.
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  2020.  @ihka4767  The face is still present at 3:30 to 3:34. The space shuttles had windows overlooking the cargo bay and that section was shot through one; someone's reflection appeared on the glass and it may be possible to identify the relevant crew member. Looks odd but is just a reflection in the glass.
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  2021.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  Why does the existence of a training pool preclude the existence of space walks? When they don't behave like air bubbles how do you conclude they are air bubbles? Why does the existence of one camera preclude the existence of another? Why would testing the Lunar Rover on Earth preclude its use on the moon? Why doesn't conservation of momentum exist? What is your explanation for the effect? Why would a reflection in a glass of an object within a few feet of it appear as a remote object? These are all basic questions that you covered in the first steps of your analyses so you should have no problem answering them directly.
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  2022. We don’t. You not knowing the evidence for evolution & the big bang does not mean that you know there is no evidence. Ignorance is not knowledge.
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  2023. Watch Dave’s earlier videos on the subject; the previous one (10 Things all flat Earthers say) will be helpful.
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  2024.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 So ehat are planes if they are not what they seem?
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  2025. It’s more for the benefit of those looking down the rabbithole than those who have jumped down it.
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  2026.  @Backup_Punter  Those wondering if there is any in the idea are generally receptive.
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  2027.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24  You realise that history did not begin when you were born?
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  2028.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24  The world was mapped & before the Wright brothers took off; the size of Earth was measured over 2000 years before.
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  2029. This is the third video he made on the subject, the first being educational and the second a reply to some FE criticism, both polite in content. This is a response to the vitriolic FE counter-arguments to both which were heavily reliant on selective observation and poor reasoning.
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  2030.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Try landing at Ronald Reagan Airport; the plane banked in low over the Potomac and I swear I could have shaken hands with the folks in the boats.
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  2031. Khalif Official Conservation of momentum.
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  2032.  @Matuse  The Illuminati’s strings are being pulled by the Luminati 😊
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  2033. Unfortunately neither do they.
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  2034. Try answering his challenges. How long do you think it takes to reach that kind of altitude?
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  2035.  @dracodragon74  I usually see the narrator going "there's just gotta be a harness there" because they don't understand how objects move in a microgravity environment. There's one video that's over 40min continuous motion through all the modules on the ISS and I haven't see any explanation as to how harnesses would carry somebody through the junctions. You are aware that Nasa is not the only space agency? They weren't even the first. "green n blue screens" When there is a prominent white grid on said blue screen do you really think it would act as a filming blue screen? If so, explain how.
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  2036.  @ericb3157  Possibly he means Santa's Grotto? All those elves have to live somewhere :-)
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  2037. They don’t. The Earth being flat is the only thing FE’ers agree on.
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  2038. Bear in mind that it is 1 revolution per day not 1000 revolutions per hour.
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  2039. Please explain what issues you have with the globe model.
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  2040. ChrisFE Jackson Another one with fantastic insight but unfortunately unable to relay his wisdom.
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  2041. KENNY ON KEYBOARD Because they run around proselytising their ignorance and incredulity.
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  2042.  @cynicalsandw_o ​​⁠​​⁠​​⁠The helium is usually released from the Earth’s crust via aquifers. You need to realise that multiple factors can be in play at once, none of which could supply an irresistible force. A log floats because of the balance between buoyant force and gravity; the log is subject to greater buoyant force in water than in air. The atmosphere around the moon is a few particles per cubic metre. The moon is not suspended in that atmosphere; it is in orbit around Earth, the gravitational attraction towards Earth being offset by the moon’s momentum. The moon has far less mass than Earth, thus far less gravity and consequently a far lower escape velocity; the helium isn’t going to be bound to it.
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  2043.  @whatdupa2454  I can't say I understand the physics but no photon travelled faster than light; the laser remained at light speed but there was a pulse effect that travelled along it that was exceeded light speed.
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  2044.  @whatdupa2454  I read a synopsis of the original article.
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  2045. They endlessly claim to have the knowledge, understanding and working model to answer any question thrown at them so these are the basic questions they should be able to readily answer. So far no takers though quite a number still claiming to have the answers.
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  2046. Unsurprisingly they haven't thought it through that far. Of those that have tried answering it seems they just envisage an endless column. Somebody do reckon the firepits of hell are there but couldn't explain why a universal down wouldn't mean people fell out.
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  2047. The 200 proofs? How many times by how people do they need to be debunked before you accept they have been debunked?
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  2048. I think the flights from Australia to South America leave from Melbourne rather than Perth and generally follow the line of latitude.
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  2049. He’s a conman making a living from the gullible; he needs to sound genuine.
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  2050. Harvey assures me that the EB exists. 😊
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  2051. The ancient Greeks hadn't realised out how much friction can reduce velocity (air resistance in the case of an arrow). From their perception an object required the application of force to keep moving; an arrow slowed and a rolling wheel gradually came to a halt because they wasn't being continuously propelled. Do remember that they didn't have stopwatches or a means of making fine measurements. Fire an arrow horizontally and it falls vertically due to gravity and slows horizontally as it encounters air resistance. Firing it an angle complicates matters since its velocity is reduced by both air resistance & gravity. Aristotle believed the Earth to be a sphere, not flat. The ancient Greeks were the people who first deduced it was a sphere. In common with all humans until recently, they assumed that we were at the centre of the universe that consisted only what they could see. A spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the subsequent Ptolemiac model until Copernicus precipitated the shift from a geocentric to a heliocentric system. The modern FE movement originated in mid-19th century Britain when Samuel Rowbotham went on a religious anti-science bender.
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  2052.  @IMthebiggestboy Prof Dave was replying to what the OP said about your comment. I assume you can’t see it.
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  2053.  @insersed6525 They aren’t mutually exclusive; vaccines are not intended as a replacement for healthiness & hygiene nor can vaccines’ role be negated by healthy eating & living. All are contributory factors in population health. Vaccines can contain a weakened virus, a “dead” virus, fragments of a virus or mRNA that codes for virus fragments; there’s no common type.
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  2054. orion wilson Cavendish experiment does it by measuring the attraction between objects.
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  2055.  @steveadams7369  Demanding it back was a mistake; you should have insisted he kept it.
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  2056.  @oneman7638  "The entire population of that species has to die off in order for that new randomly mutated being to be able to reproduce with another mutated just as it had become to be able to pass on the genes that have now been mutated" We all die; it doesn't require mass extinctions, just time. The mutant gene will occur in half the offspring, who in turn have their kids & grandkids and thus can spread as generations progress. It may eventually come to be in a substantial proportion of the population; if it confers some advantage to the individual then that increases the probability that it will. You don't need abrupt changes between a few or even a single generation, just time for a gradual change to progress through enough generations.
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  2057.  @prplt  In terms of matching the observations to FE they haven’t.
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  2058.  @prplt  You’ve been on a large ship with waves towering over you? No explanation for the colour change?
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  2059.  @yourdashingheroidol7909  How the nefarious governments wangle a 24hr sun at the Antarctic tourist spots?
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  2060.  @jasonmull5613  Apply your critical thinking skills to the observable motion of the sun; explain why you think it is inconsistent with a globe and why it is compatible with FE.
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  2061.  @jasonmull5613  EPIC, Himawari-8 and Elektro-L download several more per hour on their respective websites.
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  2062.  @jasonmull5613  Eratosthenes measured the Earth; the Earth has been deduced to be a sphere c. 200 years earlier from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. You can use Eratosthenes' method with multiple sticks to prove the curve; that's why FE'ers never use more than two. "who's name wasn't found in any books until the mid 1900s" <eyeroll> Have you ever thought about querying what FE hucksters tell you?
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  2063. VITA kyo How do you think flying over the lunar landing sites would be physically possible?
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  2064. He peddle's crap to the gullible to make money off them.
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  2065. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  2066. It’s “free thinking” and definitely refusing to think it through.
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  2067. YT has a problem compiling all the comments from different servers before a timeout; they do note how many exist, hence the discrepancies.
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  2068. Little sign of anything going in though.
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  2069.  @smoceany9478 Comments apparently disappear from threads though they remain in the running total (not deleted); it’s probably due to inadequate links between servers when the list is compiled for each viewer. Road maps are projections of the globe (there are numerous algorithms) not maps in themselves. FE’ers keep claiming globe maps are wrong abd that they possess the Real Map but inevitably rely on globe projections. They frequently don’t realise road maps are thst because they come on flat pieces of paper. It’s an example of how far FE’ers are capable of thinking.
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  2070.  @NoeLPZC  Most people wouldn’t be able to tell you how the Earth was determined to be round; they are aware it was determined long ago, that we have accurate maps & satellites and routinely observe horizons and the sun rising & setting. People denying all that (particular the sun's motion) and claiming a pointless global conspiracy running faultlessly for centuries or millennia are going to be dismissed as idiots.
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  2071.  @NoeLPZC  While you may interpret it that way it can also read as FE'ers assuming that nobody has ever checked that the Earth is a globe, an accusation that they frequently make. I've asked umpteen of them what they think we do in labs since they apparently think that science is entirely untested assertions and FE'ers are novel in performing experiments. It is reasonable to assume that if something is regarded as well-established then it has actually been established; the probability of that being false is low to essentially zero. It isn't feasible for everybody to double-check everything that is known; when something is broadly accepted as true then is a good starting point. Someone wishing to challenge accepted knowledge does not need to have done proper research if they wish to produce a plausible alternative. Nobody checked what Cliff Clavin expounded on in Cheers; he was simply viewed as the in-house entertainment.
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  2072. “It just has to be wrong” is the best I’ve had.
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  2073. It originated with Samuel Rowbotham going off on a religious anti science bender in the 19th century. Many if not most FE’ers appear to be Christian fundamentalists doing much the same. It does not imply that most Christians are FE’ers.
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  2074. None of them have tried triangulating the position of the sun.
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  2075. Got Ghost That’s a change in the search algorithms. Do you have evidence if channels being removed for posting FE videos?
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  2076. Certainly no meaningful data escapes.
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  2077.  @rhetoricalquestion6009 YT algorithm. Which are visible to whom varies and is probably to do with server timeouts.
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  2078.  @StrongEye  "you could at least make some time to research" You mean dig through the repetitive stupidity for yet more time to find the Real Evidence that, mysteriously, none of you can ever provide?
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  2079. aunt jenifer Both are fluids but liquids & gases have different properties.
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  2080. 13:37-13:42
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  2081. Baron Silas Greenback There’s no evidence they are largely ineffectual. What evidence exists for detrimental effect is that occasionally someone has a bad reaction; when that number is substantially fewer than the those who would suffer from the prevented disease it can not be said it is detrimental to the population.
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  2082. Have you noticed that Concorde has a shape that differs from subsonic planes?
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  2083. Watch the early ones on this series.
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  2084.  @NaudotojoVardas  He’s being short with FE’ers, not shouting at them. Watch the series in order. The last three are aimed at the dumb clucks who are convinced they have all the answers but who can’t explain anything.
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  2085. There's a difference between liquid and gas.
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  2086. The modern FE originated with Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went off on an anti-scientific religious bender.
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  2087. Try refuting what he says.
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  2088. It would require upwards acceleration and would approach light speed within a year. Momentum keeps planets moving, not force. There’s nothing in a vacuum to create the resistance that would slow them down.
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  2089.  @GuardianSoulkeeper  Frumious.?
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  2090. IIRC she dropped out for personal reasons (pregnant?) then wound up some FE’ers because she found them incredibly gullible.
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  2091. I think three have tried and at least two of them subsequently deleted the OP.
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  2092. The 8"/mile^2 was a rule of thumb used by land surveyors prior to the invention of calculators. Zetetic anything is deciding what conclusion you want to arrive at then designing experiments that can be interpreted as supporting your desired conclusion. Science relies in disproving hypotheses (rather than supporting them) to try to avoid unintentionally committing such logical errors.
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  2093.  Dan  How many rotations per day would you expect the stars to make if the Earth was rotating?
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  2094.  @DrHannesSteinmann7857  How should a debate be conducted when one party has no solid arguments?
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  2095. He’s already done it.
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  2096.  @CaptWesStarwind  Darn - evidently I'm too polite :-(
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  2097.  @ssroudyss9432  It's not unusual for people to hang out in particular videos or authors, the same way we did on particular groups on Usenet when it was around.
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  2098.  @zoominmonkey278  FE’ers are pretty vitriolic and are aggressive denialists; it’s easier for them to be abusive than actually explain anything. I’m happy to explain something to anybody who is actually curious but your diehard FE’ers are not open to facts, evidence & reasoning. Pointing out their willful stupidity is a reasonable point.
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  2099.  @DITRH  Then you should have no problems answering here.
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  2100. Tackling penguins as in holding off thousands of assegai-wielding birds intent on overrunning the compound...no, I’m thinking of Zulu...
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  2101.  @victorfinberg8595  YT edits out links when you post a comment; some YT links do survive. They don’t alter your text.
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  2102. The US imports a lot of scientists 😊
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  2103. Or wear a penguin suit 😊
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  2104. Dubay doesn’t do debates.
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  2105. Droplets, waterfalls, meniscus...,
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  2106.  @markshirey3190  Given a 25,000 mile circumference how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find?
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  2107.  @stylesrj  Chicken & pineapple is a good combination 😊
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  2108. What do you think are the errors with the globe?
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  2109. They rotate in the course of the night and which stars you can see each night changes with the course of the year. There is a slow gradual change in the relative position of stars but, aside from a few, that isn’t perceptible to the eye.
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  2110. Some are gullible enough to believe it, presumably getting an ego lift from thinking they are one of the few who understand life, the universe & everything; some are in it to make money from the first; others are just trolls.
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  2111. Attraction is towards the centre of gravity; the angle of pull relative to the ground would vary as you moved across a FE. They have no explanation for why the sun & moon stay up, circle above a FE and vary the size of the circle.
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  2112.  @isikgorkem  You have Master's thesis on optics but haven't figured out how to divide 360 by 25,000?
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  2113.  @vitzuja5943  There was a time when plastics didn’t exist; were the people who created them studying nothing? Something preceded the current relationship of DNA, RNA & proteins, most probably a replicating molecule part RNA, part peptide. That’s xenobiology.
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  2114.  @nonsensicaltimes780  "The distance we can still see a image without it distorting" Why would it distort? Do you mean disappear below the horizon? "you can see images that should be many meters below the curve" Hidden drop is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. When all factors are taken into account nothing can be seen that shouldn't be. It's why FE'ers are keen to use only curvature (and the wrong equation for it). "We can't hover in place and have the earth rotate below while we are stationary." Conservation of momentum and frame of reference. Both Earth & atmosphere rotates eastwards, once per day. A plane on the tarmac has eastwards momentum; it retains that momentum when it takes off in the same way that a thrown ball continue moving when it leaves your hand. The plane's engines modify the momentum. A hovering helicopter is stationary only relative to the Earth; it, Earth & atmosphere continue to move eastwards. There is no absolute frame of reference. "Those are interesting anomalies that the flat earth brings up." No, just ignorance. "'the institutions giving the information" We're talking about science and the combined labour of scientists worldwide producing comprehensive evidence. The information is not handed out by some shadowy institution, much less one that has existed for millennia. That you don't know the basis for conclusions does not mean nobody knows. "we are given all of what is know when it's comment knowledge" It'c common knowledge because it has been demonstrated to be true repeatedly by multiple parties. "Later to be seen as breakthrough" They vast majority are crap and always will be. Very occasionally there is an idea that turns out to be correct. It doesn't follow that something differing from the "official narratives" is correct or even insightful.
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  2115.  @nonsensicaltimes780  You wanted answers for your “anomalies”. I’m providing those answers and explaining the misconceptions. You need to listen and think, not keep repeating canards.
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  2116.  @nonsensicaltimes780  I’ve explained to you twice why we can’t see further than we should, just futhrr than the FE ignorance say we should. I also explained to you how a helicopter hovers over one spot; again, Earth, atmosphere and helicopter are moving eastwards at the same speed.
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  2117.  @nonsensicaltimes780  A long as they have yet to reach the horizon as determined by curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction. All factors have to be accounted for.
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  2118.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The Earth & atmosphere both rotate eastwards at the same speed. A hovering helicopter is the atmosphere moving eastwards at the same speed as the Earth under it. A helicopter on the ground is moving eastwards with the Earth and at the same speed as the Earth. Momentum is the product of mass & velocity; conservation of momentum means it continue moving eastwards with Earth & atmosphere when it take off in the same way a a thrown ball continue moving when it breaks contact with your hand. The helicopter does not magically lose momentum on take off any more than the ball stops moving when you throw it. A plane on the ground has eastwards momentum in the same way as the helicopter. When it takes off the engines modify the momentum so it moves eastwards a little faster or slower than the Earth. It does not magically lose momentum any more than a ball stop is moving when you throw it. The problem I think you are having is with frame of reference; you are trying to visualise it in both a relative frame and an absolute frame simultaneously. Earth, atmosphere & helicopter are all moving eastwards. In an absolute frame they are moving in the same direction at similar speed. In a relative frame of reference you treat something as if it was stationary (e.g. the Earth) and consider all motion relative to that reference object. A hovering helicopter has absolute motion eastwards but has no relative motion compared to the Earth. Whether a plane is travelling westwards or westwards its speed relative to the Earth will be the same.
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  2119.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The papers deal with aerodynamics in aircraft design. They are quite explicit that they are ignoring factors to limit the calculations purely to air flow, eg, no weight loss as fuel is consumed, an inflexible airframe, no weather, no mountains (flat plain) and no Coriolis force (non-rotating). It’s not an admission that the Earth is flat, just the stated convenience of simplifying the maths. FE’er read in what they want to believe and ignore the stated purpose.
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  2120.  @nonsensicaltimes780  There are east-west flights in both directions, eg, New York & London. They take approximately the same time.
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  2121. There's a ship race around the Antarctic; still not good enough for FE'ers.
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  2122. I wish it was as frequent as every day; answering questions wouldn’t be so repetitive. 😊
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  2123. Their thinking stops after it hits the first variable; they know NASA best so they don't think beyond that.
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  2124. Look up the history of Zion, Illinois; that’s the origin of the claim.
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  2125. Physiology is highly complex; it’s not akin to changing a wheel in a car. The underlying cause is not necessarily curable but it can be regulated and the symptoms decrease. That is not the same as treating a symptom thought it has the same apparent effect.
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  2126. Jonathan Lindsey The MD’s work principally with patients because that is what their many years of training are for. Determine the exact cause of diseases and developing cures is the PhD’s province because that’s why we’ve spent years honing our skills. Physiology is highly complex. There are no magic cures for diseases because magic cures are fictional not because there aren’t many MD’s involved. You can’t pull one string and expect everything to fall into; even if that was possible no drug is going to affect only one thing. We can come up with more effective and more precise treatments but this is not Star Trek; McCoy and his miraculous work are fictional. A treatment that leads to a reduction in the symptoms is not treating the symptoms.
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  2127. If you’re using a computer then try an Ad Blocker. There’s a few for YT.
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  2128. LANIK They already claim it is small & close to enable rising & setting, though I’m sure they would not be fazed at arguing both ways. Large & distant wouldn’t explain phases, rising & setting or why only half the world sees the moon at a time.
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  2129. Look up Morton's Demon, particularly the detailed version on the "rational" wiki. I can't give the site name or YT will block the message but it will be obvious if you google it.
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  2130. I don’t think many people disputed that inhaling smoke wasn’t good for you; it was thought that it was offset by the benefits of nicotine intake. FE’ers accuse us of being part of the conspiracy; logically we would be have to join at some point but as with their other ideas they haven’t thought through when that could plausibly be done.
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  2131. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Only a globe works.
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  2132. Odis Croft And yet everybody south of the equator sees the moon towards the north.
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  2133. Exasperation rather; I wouldn’t think you could get PTSD from repeated face palming.
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  2134.  @magnushyenna1574  https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  2135. S n Why not?
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  2136. More for the benefit of those who don’t realise retarded and toddler have an impact on the child’s insight.
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  2137.  @chrismcgill8963  Not really - like many before he saw the derision from Prof Dave and mentally filtered out that he provided answers to FED's "unanswerable" questions.
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  2138.  @petroleumalley  There is a brand of brown sauce called A1; might there be a connection?
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  2139. When you tell them that birds can fly because they have wings, FE'ers just don't make the mental connections as to why the ocean doesn't fly; it has to be pointed out to many of them that oceans don't have wings.
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  2140.  @apostatepaul  Your friend will probably say that only Eratosthenes has ever done this, nobody has ever queried it and the results support a FE. In actuality it is routinely done as a school project, incorporating multiple readings from around the globe and the results are consistent with a globe, not a FE.
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  2141. What theoretical basis?
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  2142. Libres Penseurs Where did he say anything of “a few wealthy people”?
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  2143. Have you considered asking how a 24hr sun is possible on a globe?
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  2144. Unfortunately it’s the only coherent answer produced.
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  2145. Memphis Daniels Down is towards the centre of Earth, up directly away from the centre. A plane follows the air pressure present at a particular altitude, renaming parallel to the Earth’s surface as it does so.
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  2146.  @GrimGod81  Einstein said it couldn't be proved USING LIGHT. Missing a few words off a quote to change its meaning is deception, not uttering some profound truth.
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  2147. Don't look.
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  2148.  Jesse Hatch  Because it lies on the axis of rotation. Why is that so difficult for FE’ers to comprehend?
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  2149.  @atamisk21  Michaelson & Morley failed to find any evidence of aether. Explain your reasoning for how you total lack of evidence for something’s existence would prove that something exist. How difficult can it be?
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  2150.  @atamisk21  Third time: how does finding no evidence of aether prove that it exists? Simple question; answer it.
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  2151.  @atamisk21  It was irrelevant to Airy's observation whether it was the stars, Earth or both that moved; he was using the difference between the two. You are still working on the basis that he proved aether exists; you have yet to explain why the total absence of evidence for its existence would prove its existence. Try doing it. "an implicit but otherwise untenable assumption, viz. that the earth orbits the sun" Measurable by stellar parallax and the Doppler effect on star light. That you don't like it does not render evidence invalid.
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  2152.  @victorfinberg8595  All those zeros are confusing...
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  2153.  @Junior-mq4lu Not currently; as PetroleumAlley pointed out there is a war on. However if you can get a Taiwan to LA flight over the Pacific then under normal circumstances you might get direct flights to western Russian cities; depends on demand and immigration requirements.
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  2154.  @Junior-mq4lu  How do you think the Earth’s surface was mapped other than by people going there?
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  2155. Their heavy cogitations perhaps.
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  2156.  @charliet1175  Motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris and two celestial poles, all freely observable and measurable. Still waiting on a FE explanation for all the above.
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  2157. FE’ers are unwilling to think beyond one factor, ie, curvature. FED knows that and his questions pander to that inability.
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  2158.  @rejeanfreeman3094  Like the moon progressing across the sky day by day? Why does the camera need to be on the moon? How many revolutions per day would you expect to see the Earth turning?
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  2159.  @stevesmyth9324  Explain how one image being a composite means that every photograph ever ever taken would be fake? Blue Marble was shot on a single frame on film in 1973. Still waiting on a FE’er to zoom the set sun back into view. Meanwhile none of you are capable of comprehending there can be more than one reason you cant see something. Produce this picture of two buildings 250 miles apart. Try refuting the video.
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  2160. Krehmall Dotsenko You would have considerably more impact, as would other FE’ers, if any of you would provide this working FE model that you claim you have. Want to try it?
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  2161. What would you have suggested as a treatment?
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  2162.  @ibraheemkhan6660 Close is supposed to be a few thousand miles (they stopped giving any actual distances years ago) above the FE surface and following a roughly equatorial path. We would see different phases & faces. What path are you envisaging for a distant FE moon?
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  2163.  @ibraheemkhan6660  Flat Earth. I’m pointing out that we aren’t ignoring the actual distance to the moon or suggesting that it close but that the locality is the assertion of FE’ers and what this video aims to disprove. I’m asking what path you think a distant FE moon could follow that would match what we observe.
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  2164.  @ibraheemkhan6660  You’re not the first who has said a distant moon would solve the conundrum but none have explained how this would agree with the moon’s observed motion.
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  2165. Try Prof Dave’s 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say.
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  2166.  @theentirespanisharmada5165  Weight is the action of gravity on mass; where gravity is unvarying (e.g., Earth's surface) weight is proportional to mass. FE'er gurus talk as if the same gravity means everything has the same weight and ask rhetorical questions about insects lifting the weight of an ocean. Folks like Elise think the questions are insightful without realising it assumes everything has the same weight.
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  2167.  @theentirespanisharmada5165  Curious. It was in direct response to the OP.
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  2168.  @elisemueller7158  Your claim is based on the assumption that everything weighs the same regardless of their mass. Which way do you want it?
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  2169. Professor Dave Explains If you seek something you don’t necessarily find it, eg, car keys. I assume he was explaining how multiple factors affect how the water moves.
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  2170.  @mcnuke1492  Your diatribe appears to be directed at Prof Dave.
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  2171. Homer sapiens has a certain ring to it...
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  2172. herman se german The ancient Greeks determined that the Earth was a sphere; the Ptolemaic system (100AD) was based on a central, spherical Earth.
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  2173.  @hermansegerman2803  The church objected to the notion of a heliocentric system, not the shape of the Earth; that it was a sphere was accepted. I'm not lecturing; the problem is that many people believe that the concept of a globe has only been around a few centuries or even just decades and that maps & navigation worked fine before then.
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  2174.  @Bnslamb  Obviously the YT executives were trying to leak the secret but are now being heavily leant on by the government NASA Jew penguins 🤫
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  2175. If the point had been about the music then it would come under fair use ie, providing a clip to explain your critique. It doesn’t cover making use of music for an unrelated purpose.
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  2176.  @eddiebarrera147  Only if the direction of gravity didn’t change but “down” is towards the centre of the Earth and thus is dependent on where on the Earth’s surface you are. The plane is always the right way up over the locality it is at.
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  2177.  @eddiebarrera147  They do seem to have incredible difficulty grasping a diagram that consists of just a circle and several arrows.
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  2178. One guy’s explanation had the sun moving below the horizon he was simultaneously saying didn’t exist; he had an interesting meltdown when asked to clarify.
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  2179.  @tomoth77  Sex is biological, gender is psychological & sociological.
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  2180.  @tomoth77  Your OP was not about linguistics. That gender is used in linguistics does not preclude its use elsewhere, eg, psychology & sociology.
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  2181.  @tomoth77  I have a 1903 edition of Chambers 20th Century Dictionary; it clearly specifies two meanings: Gender, n. kind especially with regards to sex; (gram.) the distinction of nouns according to sex. You need to get a comprehensive dictionary.
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  2182.  @tomoth77  Your brain skipped over the first of the two definitions?
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  2183. herrschlupf They don’t. Nor do they explain how they move but they’re quite sure the explanations they can’t provide are correct.
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  2184.  @BJ-xm6bi  The cruise is intending to circumnavigate Antarctica, not actually set foot on the continent to look for the ice-wall that's supposedly well inland. Apparently observing the edge of the continental glacier serves the purpose because of reasons unspecified.
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  2185. @Buck Rogers An object can be become too small to seen with the naked eye long before it reaches the horizon; try spotting a coin at a hundred yards. We keep asking for a FE'er to provide evidence of having brought the sun back by "zooming in". No examples so far. Easy to do but no examples.
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  2186.  @Harpymoon-c5g Your guru had a chance to enlighten people about how FE is supposed to work. Why didn’t he when asked? Why did he just slide onto another topic instead of answering?
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  2187. There's lunar phases & lunar eclipses. The former is the relative orientation of the moon's unlit side as it orbits Earth, the latter is when the sun, Earth & moon are in alignment and the Earth's shadow crosses the moon. FE'er don't have an explanation for the latter and can't explain why the cycle for the former takes 28 days rather than 24hrs.
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  2188.  @IFS  Perhaps he’s trying to write haiku?
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  2189.  @ok-nz7mt They don’t question the globe; they simply deny it. Their questions are answered repeatedly and consistently, frequently with examples as to how they can verify it for themselves but that doesn’t satisfy them. We’re talking about people who can’t recognise that the sun doesn’t cross the sky the way they claim it does.
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  2190. Shiyanu Neko Evidence for the Earth bring flat?
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  2191. Shiyanu Neko What a surprise: yet another FE’er who can’t produce evidence or explain his reasoning but believes he “knows” and has incredible intellect.
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  2192. @Shiyanu Neko Multiple posts and all you produce is insults. No evidence, no counter-argument. Don't want to try it?
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  2193. There's a risk they would try opening an airlock to prove there isn't a vacuum outside.
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  2194. Somebody did claim the fire pits of hell ate on the underside; he also insisted there was a universal down but couldn’t explain why people didn’t fall out of these pits.
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  2195. Just the penguins...
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  2196. Are you asking the cats to push things off?
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  2197.  @Soulfood.7560  And I yet I can get one a plane on one continent and fly direct to another airport on another continent. How is that achieved without accurate maps?
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  2198.  @josephfelton1480  Why would the hair wave around on its own if she isn’t Medusa?
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  2199.  @johnbiggscr  The word is Hebrew meant round. Whether that described circle or sphere was down to context.
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  2200.  @filby3213  The average speed of the Earth is 66,616 mph, curvature is not measured with a parabolic equation, the tilt is 23.44 degrees and varies through the cycle, distance to the sun varies through the year from 91.4 to 94.5 million miles. Do you want to fix the numbers to make 666 on everything? "There should be 16K ft of Curve yet we can see the dock lights on the Big Island which should not be visible" When you have the elevation to enable you to see that. Difficult as it is for FE'ers to conceive, the Earth's curvature is not the only factor in determining how far you can see. The first globes appeared in the 18th century; you can buy the on eBay.
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  2201. James Kahu 1. How many rotations per day would you expect to see? The ISS has live cameras. 2. The cables are faster, more reliable and the equipment readily upgradable. Satellites cover areas where it isn’t practical to run cables. 3. The German scientists were eventually incorporated into the space program. They did not run it or any other projects.
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  2202. Curtis Tisberger Has it occurred to you to actually read what it says in those papers? There’s a list of mathematical simplifications employed to keep the calculations down to the aerodynamics alone. The shuttle took off vertically, remained vertical until it reached thin atmosphere then entered into a curve that would result in an orbit.
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  2203. What reaches Earth has a variation of about 0.5 degrees.
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  2204.  @Shocked6302  After all hassle Dan-Bak's deleted his OP. Maddening when they do that.
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  2205. If you use an example of travelling in a car FE'er immediately think it means the Earth's atmosphere is sealed under a dome analogous to the car's roof.
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  2206.  @mattjcrane  That’s the tangential velocity not rotational velocity. Mph is a linear speed and nothing rotates in a straight line. Regardless of the tangential velocity varying with latitude, the Earth as a whole rotates at a common velocity of once per day.
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  2207. Ignore what I wrote - I thought I was watching a different video.
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  2208.  @bryantnonya8704  You have to account for all relevant factors. Think it through carefully.
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  2209. FE’ers have a habit of suggesting “proofs” that cover one particular phenomenon (eg 15 degree drift on a gyroscope) while ignoring the fact that it’s incompatibility with other phenomena (eg motion of the stars) instantly disproved their “proof”.
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  2210. More beans. (See Blackadder)
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  2211. Pets Pro It’s just something going around and around in his head?
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  2212. Combination of gravity and inertia.
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  2213.  @michaeloebiye  It was to persuade Weiss’s acolytes that their guru does not have the answers & evidence they claim he possesses. Anything less than grinding him underfoot would have been interpreted as a win for Weiss.
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  2214.  @petroleumalley  Nobody wanted to risk their equipment on the first flight, they needed a cargo and sticking in a car with cameras was good publicity. There were unoccupied seats in the car which perhaps could have been put to use :-)
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  2215.  @Opinlinz  If it was secret then it’s unlikely they would tell you about it over lunch. That something doesn’t receive publicity does not mean it is secret.
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  2216.  @warmachineuk Ah, but that’s just what They are telling you about aerodynamics. 😊
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  2217. pauly hart It’s unusual for a FE’er to come up with something novel. I’ve been countering the same points over and over and over for a few years. They just keep repeating what they heard on a YouTube video even when the fallacy is explained to them and evidence provided to back that.
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  2218. Please reiterate what FED’s explanations were.
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  2219. That they can observe that day in, day out (literally) is not sufficient to convince them that they are observing that.
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  2220. Indirect flights do not magically preclude direct flights.
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  2221. jack mack There’s no common orientation of the molecules.
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  2222.    "NIST admitted to found no evidence that the temperatures were at any point higher than 250 degs celsius, yet they claimed weakening of the steel - is that scientific?" Yes; the malleability of metal increases with increasing temperature. It's why blacksmiths heat the horseshoe to red hot before hammering it. Do you wish to claim there has been a conspiracy running since the Bronze Age? All powerful Freesmiths?
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  2223.  @buffalobear2641  These claims are brought up time & time again by the FE gurus. What intelligent FE arguments do you think exist?
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  2224. Buffalo Bear 8”/mile^2 and “water can’t curve” are probably the two most frequently made assertions by FE’ers. How the heck could you not notice?
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  2225. Buffalo Bear You would sound better if you produced some of these well-founded assertions. I have yet to find any but FE’ers keep claiming they exist. It seems to be working maps & models: many assertions they exist but nobody ever produces one.
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  2226. It’s one of their blindspots. Look up Morton’s Demon. YT will block the comment if I put the name but there is a wiki that is rational that contains the full explanation.
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  2227. It's a bit counter-intuitive but you would never reach lightspeed, just move closer & closer to it.
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  2228. FE’ers have no concept of how far away the clouds would have to be.
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  2229. And yet neglect to do so….
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  2230. Antonio Petersen The gravity pulling it downwards is in equilibrium with the very gradual pressure gradient. Neither is an irresistible force.
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  2231. No matter how big the height & depth of mountains & oceans sound they are trivial compared to the radius of the Earth.
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  2232.  @JosephJackson-yo5te  Been questioning him for 2-3 years; he doesn’t answer, just claims questions are harassment.
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  2233. The Earth's radius is 3,900 miles; Mt Everest is approximately 5 miles high. The Earth is almost perfectly round.
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  2234.  @xxqino  A slightly grainy feel to the surface. Do the arithmetic.
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  2235.  @tailwhipolaf  What do you think there is worth debating about FE when it relies on ignorance & incredulity?
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  2236.  @stylesrj  How else does he think NASA is manipulating what he sees through them? Are they bending the Earth to make it look curved?
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  2237.  @stylesrj  I’m curious how he thought the view was being manipulated.
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  2238. A model requires logical choices that aren’t mutually contradictory but you would be unable to replicate the Earth. Try Challenge 1 and you’ll see the underlying problem.
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  2239. Motion of the sun.
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  2240.  @MrQuaiven  Definitely the one in the middle :-)
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  2241.  @hypercaneaurastopalan1503  Dumb rather than dum.
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  2242. Globebusters pulled their FE videos.
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  2243. That Weird Kid From High School There are gullible people who believe it, others who make money from it and some trolls that just like stirring trouble. To most people it is a meme for stupidity because it requires ignoring proof in favour of implausible conjecture. Discussions on YouTube generally cover the first group of people.
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  2244. Sal Amander Both the umbra & penumbra have sharp edges; you’re still confusing penumbra with edge despite several people pointing out the difference.
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  2245. FED knows FEers generally can’t handle more than one variable at a time; if he doesn’t mention terrain then the thought will never occur to them.
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  2246.  @billcooperpatriot1059  Typos now corrected; try answering my question.
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  2247. Scale is not the FE’ers strong point. They think a plane should change angle perceptibly on a globe; the same reasoning says planes ought to bank perceptibly on a FE.
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  2248. Natural philosophy, not science.
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  2249. Enough to buy a laser gyroscope to test for the Earth’s rotation.
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  2250. FE’ers claim they’re already done.
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  2251. Their thinking is lodged in the present.
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  2252. imyomelman Minimising the maths to that required for the plane design.
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  2253. Youre pointing out what is wrong with FE claims and think that makes an argument FOR a flat earth?
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  2254.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Not the way his second sentence reads.
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  2255. jordan p The magnetic tapes went the same way as floppies. Are you aware that data is transferable?
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  2256. jordan p Have you seen your brain?
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  2257. The videos in question are cherry picked; they are the ones where there is a mirage effect just above the water, apparently placing water where the hull actually is.
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  2258. Jimbo Conn The picture says observer height 1ft rather than observer elevation 1ft. It wouldn’t be the first to overlook where the observer was standing.
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  2259. It’s an apparent force like centrifugal force. However FEers think “gravity is not a force” means “gravity doesn’t exist”.
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  2260.  @continuum288  They had a limited amount of film onboard and the purpose was to study the moon; a few could be wasted on non-Moon shots but every picture taken meant one less picture of the moon.
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  2261. Shelton Curtis Closed ecosystem; you need artificial life support to travel outside it. Try asking questions instead if jumping to conclusions and lecturing people.
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  2262. You have no answers then?
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  2263. Gary Burrows All you have to do is wheel out the real FE that actually works. So many of you claim to possess a copy but none of you are willing to deliver. Produce it.
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  2264.  @Ernesto91763  What makes you think 50,000ft is high enough? The zeros?
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  2265.  @Ernesto91763  The maps are distorted because that is what happens when you project a 3D globe into a 2D surface.
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  2266.  @Ernesto91763  Evidence of said expedition?
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  2267.  @Ernesto91763  So? Are you claiming the US has been manipulating geography for millenia for before the US existed just for an ego trip?
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  2268.  @ss-xy2im  So that’s where my wife gets her pink salt…. 🤔
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  2269. The trouble is that FE’ers assume any deviation from a perfect sphere just gotta be huge and claim any picture of Earth that doesn’t show such gross distortion just gotta be fake.
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  2270. bboi You need to reread the title of this video; the point of this video is to get FE’ers to explain how they think something works on a FE. No takers so far. Do you want to try? Watch his previous two videos on the subject for debunks. How do you personally determine what is photo and what isn’t? You realise animations can be made from a series of photos?
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  2271.  @ericb3157  Wouldn't zombies be trying to obtain brain cells?
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  2272. Nothing’s inflexible.
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  2273. Spheres. They are easier to visualise as a hole in a diagram when explaining how they warp space-time.
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  2274. They don’t think deeply enough to consider what’s below the surface.
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  2275.  @ericb3157 Literally “quatnum”?
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  2276. FE’ers assume curvature and viewing distance are calculated from the same formula.
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  2277. Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti science religious bender.
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  2278. Still waiting on a working FE map. Meanwhile by convention north is at “the top” on globes.
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  2279. Very low light intensity. Most isn’t reflected by the moon’s surface and what is reflected towards us has spread before it reaches Earth.
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  2280.  @CaptWesStarwind  While one does not wish to be malicious....
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  2281.  @derpjiggle9155  Small pox is the only virus that has been eradicated. All others have areas in the world in which they are still endemic and from they can potentially spread, especially given modern travel technology. If people’s immune systems could unfailingly fight off the infections then we wouldn’t have needed vaccines in the first place.
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  2282.  @derpjiggle9155  How do anti-vaxxers come to have the super-duper immune systems that unfailingly fight every possible infection? What is a bad chemical exactly? Do you understand the concept of dose?
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  2283.  @derpjiggle9155  Smallpox, polio & measles all killed people and left many more invalided. Anybody could get them, anybody could have the most severe effects. You are already chronically exposed naturally to most of the chemicals used in vaccines (and at higher doses) and a vaccine would give you an acute dose of anything, not a chronic presence. The relatively rapid elimination of anything potentially harmful has been confirmed repeatedly. The chances of something in the vaccine remaining in your body in sufficient quantities and local concentrations to cuase problems decades down the line is probably less than original risk of dying from the disease you're being vaccinated against.
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  2284. Can they view the stars directly where they live?
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  2285. Try removing it from your viewing history.
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  2286. The Church had never said the Earth was flat. That the Earth is a sphere was established c. 500BC.
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  2287. Centrifugal force. Centripetal force would be the tension in the rope from whirling something around.
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  2288.  @MfnStarboy  "Each of those 10 things have an explanation" Which are...?
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  2289.  @MfnStarboy  "there is an explanation for each one" You aren't the first to say that but this is your chance to be first to supply these explanations. Do you want to try it or just stick with the dismissive handwave?
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  2290.  @MfnStarboy  The Earth's shadow is always circular, something which is only possible with a spherical shape. I'm not the only observer; the moon has the same phase to everybody on Earth indicating it is distant object, not a local one. The webpage said nothing of lunar phase indicating curvature of Earth.
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  2291.  @TruthhurtsYa  FE’ers would be far more convincing if they could provide plausible explanations rather than spouting ignorance & incredulity.
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  2292. Mysterious atmospheric properties, totally unaffected by weather, that keeps the sun apparently the same size while atmospheric refraction (which they also insist doesn't exist) makes it appear to rise & set.
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  2293.  @ehrenmannchristus7223  Imagine an end of series interview where they describes the parallel Earth beyond the south pole where absolutely everything and everybody is identical to our Earth other than they didn't find their counterparts.
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  2294. MrClobbertime They seem to have great difficulty distinguishing velocity from acceleration. I do hope they don’t have driving licences.
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  2295. Malsy Pright The 8”/mile^2 equation is a parabola, not a circle, and hence does not calculate the curvature of a circle and should not be used to calculate the curvature of a circle. Is that clear?
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  2296.  @CantSettleOnAName  I think I need to cut back on the coffee :-(
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  2297. Don Traub Open mindedness is the willingness to listen and consider ideas; we listen, we consider and we explain why it is wrong. We aren’t dismissing FE out of hand and unquestioningly accepting the globe; we actually consider the evidence. Open mindedness is not propounding ideas that don’t and can’t hold water.
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  2298. No logo.
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  2299.  @noblecyborg-savage So it was the ballast tanks you saw…. Why not just say so?
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  2300.  @MrShigura  He means the arc on the London-NY flight should be northwards rather than southwards. Time 2:45
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  2301.  @colonicus  There’s distortion from projecting from globe to flat; the globe map is accurate. FE’ers assume flat to be the definitive shape and can’t grasp we are starting with a curved map which has the accuracy they are demanding from a projected map. You seem to be asking for Challenge 1. Do you mean simply choosing a handful of locations and the distances separating them then trying to join the dots as it were?
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  2302. kowalski2015 According to FE’ers the Earth only has one side.
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  2303. I’ve had civil discourses online and it always goes the same way: I can explain how the globe is known and how they demonstrate it for themselves, answer each of their questions two or three times, can’t extract any of their evidence from by them, point out what is fundamentally wrong with each of their statements, they go quiet and start the conversation again with somebody else.
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  2304.  @tjjones621  I usually put pressure in how the sun rises & sets or extract the secret knowledge on how density would make anything move. Do yours just go quiet or start claiming radio towers?
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  2305.  @stgnsw  I just found one in seconds.
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  2306.  @stgnsw  Auckland, NZ to Santiago, Chile (AKL to SCL) Latam 800 10/Jun/22, 6:40pm Auckland, 1:30pm Santiago, 11hr flight non-stop US$3,559
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  2307.  @stgnsw  Well of course - it’s what you said you wanted to see and having seen what you thought wouldn’t happen actually happen you’ve changed your mind about what you want to see. Fork out for a ticket.
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  2308.  @stgnsw  What difference does making a stop in Auckland make? The plane just flew from Santiago making an intercontinental journey that would be impossible on a FE.
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  2309. They seem to visualise it as 25-250 miles in circumference.
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  2310.  @taylorw9138  Do you exist?
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  2311. The probability that everybody has been brainwashed into thinking the sun rises & sets every day is.... remote. A plausible mechanism by which an entire world population can be brainwashed would be a start when somebody claims this has occurred. The inability of the "awoke" to answer questions and their frequent use of "see my guru" when pressed for explanations does not generate confidence in their professed clear thinking.
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  2312.  @JustDorkyMe17  I check the information. I check the reliability of the sources. Assuming that I don't is a common accusation from FE'ers who apparently do neither. I did ask you what the "convincing evidence towards flat earth" was. Are you going to say?
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  2313. Curtis Judge The horizon wouldn’t remain at eye-level whether the Earth was flat or round. I think you mean you personally expect to see a drop typical of a 25 mile circumference globe. Do you see any difference in mass between a bird and a container ship? Does a ship have wings?
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  2314. Of those that acknowledge telescopes exist and understand the concept of focus, which reduces the numbers considerably, accept they exist. A few of them can handle the concept of observing rotation over time.
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  2315. Cherry picking data. They mount a fisheye lens on the balloon, film a curved horizon then pick the frames where the lens distortion makes it appear flat. Read up on Morton’s Daemon on RationalWiki.
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  2316.  @3wbshrghrhr785  For what purpose? There are satellites taking multiple hemisphere shots several times an hour and, until recently, two 24hr video cameras and nothing satisfies them that there are pictures of a round Earth.
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  2317. Unfortunately they understand that to mean that gravity doesn’t exist.
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  2318. It used to be fixed speed until yiur example (or similar) readily disproved it; it shifted to constant acceleration (and screw the variation in gravity between locations) until it became apparent how fast the Earth would be going in less than a year. Now they’re onto density is a force or simply spontaneous motion.
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  2319.  @mickalinjezerx7104  “Nothing in the Bible contradicts itself” Who went to dress Jesus’s body and what did they encounter?
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  2320. You need a permit in the same way most countries require a visa.
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  2321.  @liviekumori  What I described is as simple as you can get; only one person, a pole, a watch and something to use as markers. Also there is only one variable to take into account. The aim of any experiment is to test a prediction made by a hypothesis or model. If the results differ from the prediction then the hypothesis or model is wrong. If it concurs then the hypothesis or model may be correct. The globe predicts a constant 15 degrees per hour, the FE a variable rate of change. If you find a constant rate of change then the FE is wrong; fund a variable rate (the changes I described earlier) then the globe is wrong. Prior evidence: every sundial for centuries has been marked in 15 degrees per hour.
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  2322.  @liviekumori  Using a camera with a solar filter to track the size of the sun through the day; constant for a globe, variable for a FE. If the camera is equipped with a reasonable zoom then wait until the sun has just finished setting and try zooming it back into view; impossible on a globe, possible on a FE. (Don’t try it with a ship unless it is very big; you get the confounding factor of visual acuity making smaller vessels disappear before they teach the horizon.) You can recreate the Bedford Canal experiment using Wallace’s method rather than Rowbotham’s; the latter had the confounding factor of atmospheric refraction. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from purely observation and thought; 2500 years on the FE’ers haven’t explained what we can be simply observed.
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  2323.  @liviekumori  The aim of an experiment is disprove a hypothesis, not prove it. It might sound counter-intuitive but you want to avoid doing only those experiments that you know will give results that support your hypothesis; it's too easy to do only confirmatory work and never actually test it. Ideally what you have are two possible outcomes; if the hypothesis is wrong then you will get one result, if it is right then you get the other. If your hypothesis stands up to the testing then you can test it further and build upon it. One experiment won't prove your hypothesis; there's too a high a probability of error or even sheer coincidence. FE'ers try shining lasers across lakes while ignoring confounding factors like atmospheric refraction, levelling error and beam dispersion. They are incompetent or at least having a good effort at being so.
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  2324. Try getting a globe (not a flat projection) and pull a piece of string tight between those locations.
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  2325. Everything is distant anc moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy as a whole rotates. Change takes 10,000 years to be apparent to the unaided eye.
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  2326. If you don’t understand it then how can you draw a valid conclusion?
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  2327. CraftTheSky Your English is very good and, I’m sorry to say, better than many native speakers.
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  2328. It’s based solely on the observed periodicity of events.
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  2329. FE’ers understand it even less.
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  2330. Explain how density(a ratio) can act as a force and why in a consistent direction? You have no objection to using the products of science so why the objection to science?
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  2331. faithisme speaks The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere; you can confirm it with sticks, shadows and some travel. What do you think are the unanswered questions?
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  2332. Look at the main content of the channel.
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  2333. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere about 500BC.
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  2334.  @victorfinberg8595  "The Best of the Worst"?
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  2335.  @teriross-bares7153  Explain your thinking for concluding their own "knowledge" is correct. Does it begin and end with "Does it differ from accepted knowledge? If yes then must be right."? Do you bother to do anything to check on the veracity of the knowledge?
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  2336. Teri Ross Your “free thinkers” don’t bother to consider the question “How much curvature would be apparent at this altitude if the world is 25,000 miles in circumference?” Too much thought for them.
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  2337.  @elantrauma  There are folks who are looking down the rabbit hole and those we have leapt down it. The former are open to evidence otherwise, the latter are not. You can tell them what the evidence is, the errors that the scammers deliberately make, how their notions are observably wrong and how they can determine the difference themselves. They aren’t interested.
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  2338. RakaZet You’d rapidly be banned and your comments disappear.
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  2339. Sam Hall Try explaining what you think he has wrong.
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  2340. ​ @samhall3591  Do you know what the markings on a ruler are for? When Kaku, Krauss & Tyson are what? Polar diameter = 7900 miles Equatorial diameter = 7926 miles. That is a 26 mile, 0.3% difference. Numbers and scale do seem to be very difficult concepts for some people to grasp, but hopefully you might understand that 0.3% =/= the 30% that you are visualising. What do you think we do in labs exactly? Tesla had no problem with gravity and from hs comments it appears he didn't understand what relativity was. He also died in 1943 and this is 2020; we've had a century to experiment and confirm relativity. Why do you think it is impossible to take a picture of an object at 53 million light-years distance? Do you think light disappears after a short distance or do you think a camera has a fixed range?
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  2341. Because he was Captain.
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  2342.  @MH-ty1gk  Good job that simply keeping the plane level is sufficient; the plane follows the curve in the atmosphere. Have you considered reading the full sentence in those documents?
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  2343.  @stylesrj FEers would believe the roadsigns that the They put up?
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  2344. "The plane hight keeping capabilities are the same as flat as globe since that's a distance" Rather the point. FE'ers insist the plane would fly off into space on a globe.
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  2345. They believe they already have a universal model, each thinking their personal variation being that model.
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  2346.  @cheesepizza1775  Most of your post was simply a flow of consciousness rather than formulated sentences; that makes it difficult for the reader to understand. You’re assuming the horizon and the limits of your visual acuity are the same thing and they aren’t; there can be more than one reason why you can’t see something. Something can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; that you can zoom back into view. Once it has gone over the horizon it is blocked from view by the Earth’s curvature; no amount of zooming will bring it back. If you don’t believe me then try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  2347. By this point in his series the remaining FEers are those who still wouldn’t believe it if they were floating in orbit.
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  2348.  @AstroKnight_Gaming  The atmosphere declines in pressure with increasing altitude; by the time you reach 50km it is essentially a vacuum. 50km is a greater distance than the millimeter thickness of the seal or balloon membrane you refer to. In the atmosphere the pressure difference across millimeter distances is essentially zero; gravitational force acting on the air molecules is sufficient is sufficient force to counter the diffusion.
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  2349. You think an ocean and a bird weight the same?
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  2350. Willfully ignorant; even when told how they can verify it for themselves they refuse to do it.
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  2351. He made an earlier video on his astronomy section describing how we knew the Earth was a globe. He got tired of answering the same dumb canards and made this one.
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  2352. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Not difficult. How many times by how many people does it need to be done to satisfy you that it can be done?
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  2353. Was there a cooker in front of everyone?
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  2354.  @iamtobler  There’s a difference between possible and just gotta be, which is where the distinction lies. There were people talking about genetically engineered bioweapons at the time.
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  2355.  @cathyshort  Penguins in arctic camouflage? Dastardly little creatures!
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  2356.  @man58652  Sure. International flights were largely curtailed worldwide due to the pandemic but you think the airlines should have spent money flying empty planes on a routes you deny so you can continue to deny them?
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  2357.  @cjmiller1871  Explain how the FE sun maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and how it rises & sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon.
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  2358.  @petroleumalley  Well, the penguins fired at him....
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  2359. Which would leave an area of sky that is devoid of stars.
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  2360. They've been assimilated 🙂
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  2361. b h This the latest in a series of videos about a FE. His attitude is a result of the invective & idiocy in FE’er comments about those videos.
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  2362. You realise the children go up? That the adult "conspirators" were once kids?
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  2363. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  2364. PaxRomana Proof of gravity, replicated countless times since with similar results: https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 There is a net increase in entropy; nothing stops complexity forming. Your computer or phone is an indication of that. And every video I’ve seen “proving” lack of curvature screws up. None of them can figure out how to put a battery in torch.
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  2365.  @imjustanant  "ot one scientist in the world that can prove gravity " I just gave you the proof. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 "it's a theory" A scientific theory is comprehensive explanation of a natural phenomenon, well-substantiated by extensive evidence from observation and experimentation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. "relative density account for everything" Except none of you can explain how it is supposed to account for it. You can't even formulate a hypothesis. "they exist which they don't" Look through a telescope.
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  2366. @Yest Rayleigh scattering would cause distant objects to look less blue, not more blue. An distinct object becomes less distinct with distance simply because there is a limit to your visual acuity.
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  2367. @Yest More sky to see and lack of distinct detail in the object.
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  2368.  @yasministryheals  It’s a public forum; anybody can comment. Currently YT is having trouble ensuring comments appear and remain visible to all viewers.
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  2369.  @yasministryheals  The only way to tell if there are missing rather than deleted comments is to count the number of comments in the thread and compare it to the stated number; invisible comments are still counted. Most are currently invisible rather than deleted.
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  2370. If someone is blocking you from commenting are you apparently able to still do so but nobody is seeing your comments?
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  2371. They think NASA was fooling them.
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  2372.  @ProfessorDaveExplains  Depends on where you are from; it's a common colloquialism in Britain for any injection.
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  2373.  @ExposingEvil666  Similar process to the US.
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  2374. Garry Cislowski You mean intensity rather than density.
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  2375.  @dbisbee09  We've seen the moon running through the phases once a month, every month ever since man first looked up. How much repetition do you need?
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  2376.  @dbisbee09  Astrophysics is science and data is collected from stars in all stages in their life. There is no requirement for everything to be done in a lab.
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  2377. Initially Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti science religious bender, then a nugget of people clinging to the notion against all evidence until Facebook et al created echo chambers for self-encouraging nutters.
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  2378.  @dyejohn1905  Gravity is a force & demonstrable. Density is a ratio of mass to volume; a ratio has no vector and is not demonstrably a force. How it is supposed to act as a force is a hush-hush secret for FE’ers; they all claim to understand how but none (gurus included) are willing to explain how.
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  2379. Sir322 If you have your nose 1” away from a rock on the mountain then you won’t see the whole mountain and be unable to see the brightness reflected by the whole mountain, just the area immediately in front of your nose.
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  2380. FE’ers are afflicted with Morton’s Demon https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Morton%27s_demon
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  2381. Most seem to be conmen, a few genuine; there’s money to be made selling snakeoil The Truth.
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  2382. Your momentum is conserved when you jump in the same way a thrown ball continues to move forwards when it breaks contact with your hand.
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  2383.  @benhaney9629  momentum is not a force; it’s a measure of mass x velocity. A change in momentum requires a force to impart the acceleration/deceleration.
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  2384.  @theoverthinkingalien224  Not even them; there would be a demand for a "Discworld" globe.
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  2385. TheElectricOrigins Produce some of them (peer-reviewed).
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  2386.  @birdsayshello  Use of an absolute authority to reduce or maintain more minimalist rules & regulations.
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  2387. They would but FEers prefer to believe in a universal down direction.
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  2388. The Earth’s axis is tilted; the more polar stars are visible throughout the year but the more equatorial stars change through the course of the year, hence the zodiac.
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  2389. FE’ers claim gravity doesn’t exist, that the effect is just density & buoyancy. Mention buoyant force and they assume he’s saying there notion is correct. It is a darn sight easier to make a statement that 8” per mile squared is wrong then try and get across to FE’ers the differences about curvature, geometric curve, hidden drop and refracted hidden drop.
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  2390. john koebel You think Newton & Cavendish worked for NASA?
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  2391.  @leedlebob2667  Caerphilly.
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  2392.  @leedlebob2667  My mistake. I'm in the US - it's a while since I had white cheeses :-)
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  2393.  @stylesrj  The big cheese?
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  2394. Remove it from your history.
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  2395.  @garbandgulyberdimuhamedow4604  Recommendations are made according to what you have watched; delete this and similar and recommendations should stop. This one may be cropping up repeatedly because of its popularity.
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  2396. Jondular Rain drops. Cavendish experiment, 1798, reproduced countless times with similar results. Constant altitude refers to elevation not curvature. Sea level is a measure of elevation. More than one force can act simultaneously; the kinetic energy in the water can make waves which gravity pulls back down.
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  2397. Jondular You think dictionaries are wrong?
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  2398. It lies close to the rotational axis. It also drifts over time.
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  2399. The windows are obviously live CGI and they eoukd be groping for the invisible wires or trying to force the airlocks open to prove they were in a studio.
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  2400.  @cumradej  You think 8 out of 1000 is a significant fraction?
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  2401. Barringer Crater.
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  2402. Joel Louzy You need to come up with locations to get a good answer but I would note that they would need to cross Siberia to get to the Behring Strait. Shorter does not necessarily mean easier.
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  2403.  @GZar5K  How do you fit a microchip down a 22G needle? What sizes do you think the bore and chip are?
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  2404.  @MrEvo1999  You mean the FE gurus sold you ignorance & incredulity as fact? Let me guess - the horizon is perspective, density makes things fall and nobody’s found 8”/mile^2 curvature?
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  2405. Who? 😊
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  2406.  @johnbiggscr  I suspect FE’ers would be happy to get on a one-way flight because they’d be convinced they weren’t going anywhere.
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  2407. What conditions has he put on acceptable evidence?
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  2408.  @tjjones621  It will be something innocuous but prohibitory such as a particular scale that would make a physical 3D impractical.
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  2409.  @tjjones621  That’s why I say perhaps a 3D map (a sphere) to a scale that would require a sphere of impractical size. I forgot that FE’ers think that maps can only be 2D. It can be difficult to think at prenursery (pre-kindergarten) level.
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  2410. They generally insist the FE magnetic filed is generated by a monopolar magnet though they have no explanation for how one could exist or why the field would run horizontal to the Earth’s surface. FE thinking is incredibly shallow.
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  2411. 2:10 Not in science.
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  2412. Shot! 🍸
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  2413.  @AvalonDA  They’ve placed cats in the Antarctic to distract us from the penguins?
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  2414. Try meeting the challenges.
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  2415. Launch ramps and a minimum speed limit?
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  2416.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Checking the details it seems to be an urban legend; the bridge was finished ahead of schedule. Recent repairs for hurricane damage has cost millions.
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  2417.  @stylesrj  Just Sheldon, but he also looks down on everyone 😊
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  2418. Scotts not from Here Try this site: http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk
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  2419. Booked in the last 18 months by any chance?
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  2420.  @MW-qv5ox  If the planets don't exist what is reflecting the light?
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  2421. Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles.
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  2422. Most and all are not synonymous.
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  2423. Check the rest of his channel and the playlists.
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  2424.  @Sir720x2 It’s an assumption that in millenia of civilisation nobody has actually thought to check the shape.
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  2425. He’s already explained nicely that 1+1=2, has demonstrated that it doesn’t equal three and has asked them to demonstrate 1+1=3. A lot of insults, no evidence but all quite certain 3 is the answer because it just gotta be. He is surprisingly patient compared to most.
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  2426.  @EdenCultures  The excipient list covers all possible content in a vaccine, not just routine ingredients. They do clearly state "Others are residual trace amounts of materials that were used during the manufacturing process and removed"; this covers all the cell culture materials that may have made it through purification, e.g., cells, protein, DNA. I want to see evidence of Deisher's claims of a whole genome found, DNA outweighing antigen content and antigen being absent. Lack of liability exists in the US; the US is not the only country manufacturing vaccines. I commented on which stem cells would be affected because it wasn't clear how you thought all your cells became mutated. Either you think DNA has penetrated every stem cell in your body and had exactly the same affect or you think one of your parent had mutated sperm or ova. There is a huge difference between a mutagen and DNA contamination. The former can penetrate the cell without getting digested by the cell; it would be small enough to penetrate the nucleus and can either inflict damage on the DNA or affect the repair mechanisms; the damage would be limited to small changes in the coding. You're suggesting fragments of DNA are making it into the cell, through to the nucleus and inserting themselves like a virus DNA into a chromosome. That would produce an insertion mutation, not a point mutation. There would not be the change to a single codon that you have but whole inserted sequence. Stem cell therapy means isolating stem cells, "swapping out" genes and reintroducing them into the body. Viruses inject their DNA/RNA by a specific mechanism, binding to the cell membrane and injecting the DNA/RNA into the cell. The presence of a viral antigen, or even a whole virus, is not going to replicate that effect. Viruses can only be used as a carrier if the target gene sequence has been inserted in their DNA/RNA i.e., we are using a modified virus. If a single cell starts expressing a non-self protein then the immune system destroys it; that happens routinely in the body with no symptoms apparent to the human. Despite the high efficiency of DNA repair nothing is perfect in replication and mutations do occur. They usually result the cell's self-destruction and few are going to be competent long enough to expression a non-self protein. Only if the cells can also expression an "all clear" signal for the immune system will it survive. "The similarity of the genes from the human DNA make it MORE likely to insert into whichever cell." To be accurate it makes sequence swapping easier, not sequence insertion. DNA is DNA; there is no difference between different sources other than the actual coding within it. The source makes no difference on penetrating the cell. The numbers vary due to the way numbers are collated, which vaccines are being looked at and by what criteria a reaction is categorised. Very few people have a severe reaction; more have mild fever & headache. Norm covers the average effects, not a specific genome.
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  2427.  @EdenCultures  Neither Deisher nor the Corvela Institute have produced evidence. The former appears only in law journals, the latter has published two leaflets. "an industry that has little to no oversight?" There is plenty of oversight; there is also the accusation that anybody overseeing must be biased because they are overseeing. "They are now recommending vaccines to pregnant women with NO safety testing on development." Evidence? Thalidomide was unusual. At the time it was developed it wasn't known that a fetus could react differently; that was a consequence of Thalidomide, not an oversight at the time. The ethylmercury was found primarily in the babies' faeces. The research on the monkeys indicated ready clearance of the ethylmercury over the course of 7-10 days whereas the methylmercury tended to be retained. You're assuming they have similar properties. "viruses grown in the blended up remains of aborted babies" Some of the cell lines in which the viruses are grown originated from some fetuses in the 1960's & 1970's. That's it for the involvement of fetuses in vaccines. If you think I am unreasonably sceptical of your claims it is this kind of reasoning that fails to convince me. Wakefield made up some of the data and nobody can reproduce his results; that's why he got into trouble. "Do the research instead of spouting one side of propaganda" Which indicates an assumption on your part that nobody is doing research unless they come up with the answers you want to hear. That is insulting.
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  2428. The Law of Just Does.
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  2429. Brendon James NASA was formed in 1958AD. The Earth was determined to be a globe in 500BC. How do you conclude NASA was responsible for events 2500 years before it existed? Why do you think NASA would be interested in seismology and why would seismology be limited to NASA?
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  2430. ?
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  2431. They don’t think beyond one observer so south is only one direction to them.
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  2432. To fool you, to hide God or to hide land “beyond Antarctica” but nothing beyond the superficial.
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  2433. It’s like centrifugal force; it’s not a force in its own right but the situation applies the amount of force to an object, eg, drop a brick on your foot and there will be a forceful impact on it.
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  2434.  @srtrfrd6814  "You wanna watch it go out of view again That is stupid" You mean you have no understanding of why that is necessary to test the difference between "too far away" and "over the horizon". That's your stupidity.
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  2435. Good luck. I've had someone "prove" how moon phases really occur with a model that would have a 25hr lunar cycle, different phases in different parts of the world and most of the time lit by a sun that is also supposedly too far away to be seen.
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  2436. op Seriously? You never thought to check how far the horizon should fall with elevation? You’re happy with horizon “rising” with no explanation for how it could? You never wondered what the difference between elevation and curve is? You aren’t lacking clarity; you’re lacking knowledge and reasoning.
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  2437.  @op-pv2nn  A dressing down. I'm tired of arguing with people who consider them themselves enlightened but never thought to ask the obvious questions in the first place. "Thinking for yourselves" and "questioning what you're told" means doing exactly that; actually try it.
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  2438.  @homelesszaya6711  You're arguing that something being in a text book means it has never been done. "I ask questions, so I'm uneducated" You're only asking rhetorical questions. It's reasonable to ask how we know something and what the evidence for it is; it isn't reasonable to summarily dismiss the answers. "I challenge your spewing whaty u learned as ultimate truth" You want the technique for the measuring the speed of light to be demonstrated right here in front of you in a text box? "u rest on your intelligence that was garnered by reading other peoples work" You're arguing that everybody human has to independently reproduce all the scientific work of centuries before you will be satisfied there is evidence for the accepted answers. You do realise how much information we are talking about? Even with decades of working in a research lab I'm only directly carrying out a tiny fraction of all that has been done in my field alone. Recording what has been done so information can be distributed is the only way humans are going to learn. "tell me I'm uneducated" You started off by arguing 10 miles was a large proportion of 3,900 miles. If you wish to hail yourself as a free thinker then there is an obligation to actually think, not just run around telling people how much of a thinker you are. If you think there is something incorrect about a scientific conclusion then you need to state what you think is wrong. "do u believe we have a way to measure the speed of light ? With proof besides the equation relevant to it ? When distance and time between 2 points is the relative speed , correct? But the equation is based off a vacuum correct ? How can u tell me how fast a laser goes a kilometer without a pulse ? U woukd need 2 "clocks" to measure correct based off the stationary clock in theory? (Clock being a time keeping unit not house clock ) 313 thousand kilometers a second is the theory correct? Based on the "round trip" measurement." You seem to have a jumble of ideas in there. The velocity is measured through a round trip (and one clock) and averaged on the assumption that the speed of light will not vary between the two directions. If you think there is sound reason to believe the speed does vary between directions then you need to give it, not airily wave your hand and say you're a free thinker. You wouldn't try one way because of the relativity problem; the clocks would be out of sync. It isn't necessary to stipulate you don't mean house clocks; that falls under the bloody obvious. "how fast a laser goes a kilometer without a pulse ?" doesn't make sense as a question.
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  2439.  @homelesszaya6711  I can parse grammatical errors without problem; your comment is gibberish.
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  2440.  @homelesszaya6711  WGS84 is the product of the measurements; I ran you through how the measurements were made. Satellites are nearer 10ft across. When the distances between stars are measured in light years what makes you think galaxies are 100ft across? We see back in time, not into the future; light takes time to travel from object to observer.
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  2441.  @homelesszaya6711  You can measure the Earth’s size& shape with as little as sticks & shadows; it doesn’t require hi-tech. If you wish accuracy to the cm error range then you will need hi-tech. Have you not realised that your arguments are based in ignorance & incredulity, not free thinking?
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  2442.  @homelesszaya6711  That's what you're arguing; you need to reword your comment if that's not what you mean. The essential requirement for free-thinking is the ability & willingness to actually think.
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  2443.  @homelesszaya6711  You aren’t thinking beyond the superficial; your comments are based on incredulity, some of them are unintelligible, you’re demanding answers but can’t comprehend that we are quite capable of knowledge & comprehension and you seem unwilling to ask anybody with the first hand knowledge that you are demanding. Your level of reasoning is similar to FE’ers, eg, spheres having common geometrical properties and 10 is a dignuficant proportion of 3900. Now you can’t figure out that you’re by far the most prolific poster on the thread.
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  2444.  @homelesszaya6711  "who ever mentioned the future" You did, i.e., "oh but we can see billions of light years into the future and gasses from distant galaxies?" "Etc hiw we measure the speed if light with only 1 constant as tine source when clearly we need 2" Using reflectors. You still haven't given a good reason why you think the speed of light would vary over different directions. "then science can't even agree on the date" It took time to finish the voyages and compile the data. No real-time communication & computers in the 18th century. "wasn't it in the 3rd century? Hellenistic astronomy.?" No. Eratosthenes estimated the circumference of the Earth; he didn't map it. "it's clear u have no clue when oriented in lies when confronted with rebuttal" You have yet to produce any rebuttals.
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  2445.  @homelesszaya6711  "rhetorical in the fact it's moving faster away from us than we can see" What is moving away from us faster than we can see?
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  2446.  @homelesszaya6711  There are abundant galaxies in the region we can see so what exactly are you talking about? In the absence of high velocities & large masses Newtonian physics is a fair approximation of relativity. Newton envisaged a force acting between masses; using that for calculations produces accurate results in the absence of high velocities and extremely large masses. It is long accepted that gravity is actually due to space-time curvature so it's not clear what your complaint is. You're the one who has been screaming about a constant; I haven't raised it. I'm asking the thinker what his reasoning is for light having varying velocities depending on the direction it is moving in. As far as I'm aware nobody (apart form yourself) has found reason to believe that it would vary according to direction but you are saying there is reason; I want to hear your reason. "So I'll ask u is space time measured around earth, does it bend ? Does it go straight around ? Or does it bend wirh gravitational rotations and stay a constant?" As Victor said, that's gibberish.
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  2447.  @homelesszaya6711  Non sequitor. Answer the questions asked.
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  2448.  @homelesszaya6711  I answered your questions and asked you to explain your reasoning; ignoring me and jumping onto another subject is a non-sequitur. Explain you reasoning and we might progress. What discrepancies? "also did u use the words "fair approximation " THATS FACTUAL SCIENCE ....??????" When the difference between the two is too small to have an impact on what is being done then it is a waste of time & effort to use the more complex maths. Do you use pi to an infinite number of places in your calculations? "so can time change with gravity" Yes & no; depends on the observer's position relative to the gravity source.
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  2449.  @homelesszaya6711  "Is gravity based on the observer or the actions ?" You're bellyaching about not being able to use two clocks when measuring the speed of light and you can't figure out what I'm referring to? One axiom would be the speed of light in a vacuum being constant; I've asked you at least twice to explain why you think it would vary and you haven't answered. Your belly-aching is based on the axiom that it varies but you can't provide any basis for that assumption other than airy claims of being a free-thinker. Meanwhile everything works just as it would be expected if it was constant. Do your magic free thinking and tell us what your evidence is. You have the opportunity to initiate a paradigm shift; reveal your evidence and you will be seen as the new Einstein.
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  2450.  @homelesszaya6711  "I don't have the answer" Then is it really wise for you to be saying everybody has it wrong? The speed of light is measured, not estimated. Mean values are not estimates. Axioms are not estimates. Axioms exist in science; we're discussing one. Unlike religion, there has to be good reason for the axiom. Nobody, yourself included, can come up with evidence or reason why the speed of light in vacuum would vary. Since everything we observe works exactly as predicted with a constant light speed there is no reason to doubt the axiom. Since measurements of light speed in a reflected system always return the same mean value there is no good reason to doubt the axiom. That is why it is considered self-evident. If you wish to doubt the axiom then you need to come up with good reason to do so. Airy claims of free-thinking is not good reason.
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  2451.  @homelesszaya6711  Another non sequitur. Science advances by formulating hypotheses and testing them. No hypotheses, no research.
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  2452.  @homelesszaya6711  You haven't demonstrated any holes; you just keep bellyaching about axioms as if they were holes. As you said yourself, axioms are considered self-evident. Now you're back to asserting they've just gotta be wrong. "Estimations and approximations isn't fact " Which is why we measure things. Averages are not estimations & approximations. Learn the difference. You agree hypotheses are needed for advancement but you don't like us formulating hypotheses? How do you think we can arrive at facts other than by testing hypotheses? Are you going to tell me you don't know that either?
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  2453.  @homelesszaya6711  Non sequitur.
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  2454.  @homelesszaya6711  Estimation & approximation are not methods in science for taking measurements. I assume you are referring to the mean measurement of the speed of light as estimation & approximation; average values are neither. Once again you are claiming you have evidence that the speed of light in vacuum varies. Stop whinging about being a free thinker and produce this evidence.
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  2455.  @homelesszaya6711  Do you use pi to an infinite number of places?
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  2456.  @homelesszaya6711  You’re expecting instant replies?
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  2457.  @homelesszaya6711  Unless you use pi to an infinite number of places you will only get an approximate answer. You’re demanding absolute precision so how decimal places do you use pi to?
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  2458.  @homelesszaya6711  You’re a contrarian on a gish-gallop with minimal understanding of science and an inability to stick to the subject.
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  2459.  @homelesszaya6711  No, I could see you weren’t interested in answers, had no grasp of the distinction between hypothesis & theory and were just frog-hopping from subject to subject thinking you had gotcha points. It was pointless to continue.
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  2460.  @marcuskinney3779 360 degrees / 25,000 miles = 0.014 degrees/mile. How much curvature are you expecting clouds to have on a globe and why?
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  2461.  @marcuskinney3779  You’re asking about curvature and you can’t get your head around degrees? Does 0.014 sound like a large number or a small number?
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  2462.  @marcuskinney3779  What do you think is going to pull the water off the globe and why? When it mives at the same speed as Earth what is the soeed difference that you are envisaging? When the centrifugal force is < 0.5% that of gravity what us yiur reasoning for 0.5>100? What makes you think Copernicus was an ancient Greek? Hoe does a small local sun retain a constant angular diameter & velocity to every observer through the ciurse of the day? How does it rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon? How does everybody see the same phase of the moon?
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  2463. Yes, but still no answers to the challenges.
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  2464.  @r.davidsen  You’re assuming God would be within the universe. To create a universe that doesn’t yet exist (regardless if whether God is or isn’t present in it post-creation) would require God to exist outside our universe.
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  2465.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  He demonstrates the existence of a flight that couldn’t occur on a FE. Still waiting on FE’ers to explain it in much the same way that 5 months on you still haven’t said what you consider misinformation in the video.
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  2466.  @kennethgoforth809  How do they see through Long Island?
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  2467.  @kennethgoforth809  How does the sun maintain a constant angular velocity & angular diameter through the course of the day and manage to ruse & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  2468.  @kennethgoforth809  Why would sending up a balloon preclude anybody from launching a satellite too? Long Island lies between the Statue of Liberty and 60 miles out to sea.
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  2469.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  But still no explanation from you….
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  2470.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  "About?" You don't even know what you are commenting about and you expect me to think you have everything figured?
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  2471.  @r.davidsen  I saw the rest after I commented on your original comment. It seems like the paradox of an irresistible force meeting an immoveable mass. It would be a matter of a God in a multiverse creating an individual universe that could run without him and the paradox is how it could and couldn't exclude him simultaneously. I would note (sorry, I can't remember whether you answered this point or not) it wouldn't disprove the existence of an entity capable of creating and/or running a universe, simply that limitless power is not possible.
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  2472.  @r.davidsen  My least sentence pointed out that you were extrapolating from an entity with unlimited power to one with near unlimited; arguing against the existence of the former because of a paradox does not disprove the existence of the latter.
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  2473. Poor spatial reasoning and an inability to consider beyond on key factor. FED is appealing to those people to make money from them, not because he doesn’t understand himself.
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  2474. It demonstrates to those looking down the rabbit hole that FE’ers are just dumb, not insightful.
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  2475.  @gutenbird  Yet none of them can any more than they can explain the sun staying up, its motion and observable location.
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  2476.  @gutenbird  As Stylesrj said, they make assertions about balloons and cell phone towers but can't explain how either could actually work. Their entire thinking is very superficial: cell phone towers generate signals therefore all signals come from cell phone towers and no thought given to the necessity of their presence, range and direction.
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  2477.  @HarbingerOfBattle Check Poe’s law. It’s difficult to recognise satire in the loonier subjects.
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  2478.  @HarbingerOfBattle  More a matter of best guess than assuming it serious.
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  2479. Creationists don’t have to deny the readily observable, eg, the sun rising & setting.
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  2480.  @ProfezorSnayp  The biological facts are not apparent to the eye; you can’t see genetic sequences at a glance and fossils aren’t throwing themselves at you. The sun visibly rises & sets every day.
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  2481. @SkepticalLogic In scientific terms it’s a comprehensive explanation that observation & experimentation have determined to be correct. It’s a very different meaning to the vernacular (untested idea), the latter being used yo elevate FE “theories ” or dismiss scientific ones.
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  2482. They don’t; the ones who are wondering if there is any truth to it are generally open to reason though.
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  2483. Refer to buoyant force and FE’ers would just see it as vindication of their density/buoyancy claims.
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  2484.  @ichbinwiederda100  While the video is entertaining it is principally aimed at the FE’ers that were plaguing Dave; the explanations had to be pitched at a level most could understand. It wasn’t intended as an educational video for his physics series.
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  2485. 1. If the same applied to a FE then the direction of gravity would become increasingly oblique the further away from the North Pole you moved. 2. 8"/mile^2 describes a parabola. That should be a clue that it doesn't describe a circle. How far you can see is dependent not only the Earth's curvature but your elevation and the atmospheric refraction; that they are not included in the calculation should be a further clue it isn't correct. 3. Demonstrating curved water and explaining how it can curve to someone claiming water can't curve is irrelevant how exactly? 4. The atmosphere declines in pressure with increasing altitude; it's why planes are equipped with oxygen masks. You won't find such a decline in a sealed vessel. Assuming that it could then the vessel of the size you are envisaging is tiny compared to the distance the atmospheric pressure declines over. Scale is so difficult for some people to grasp. 5a. Attraction is about 0.5% less at the equator and multiple factors affect the flow of clouds. You're making the usual mistake of assuming any difference must be profound. 5b. Why do you think the gyroscope would flip? 6. Ignoring screwed up experiments is not ignoring facts. 7. The engine cut off and the car carried on moving forwards? 8. We do see different stars winter & summer. Hunter-gatherers noticed that. 9. https://arxiv.org/ You realise we publish the work we do complete with methodology & data? 10. And you're coming out with the usual ignorant twaddle.
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  2486. @Jack Dorney Don't worry - happens to us all.
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  2487. FE’ers tend to mentally draw in horizontal lines when thinking about any aspect of the Earth’s shape then claim their hybrid idea being wrong somehow disproves the globe. Your coworker assumes such a line “below” the Earth with down bring universally perpendicular to that line. You could try drawing globe & hybrid and pointing out the misconception.
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  2488.  @stylesrj  The PFJ weren’t speaking to lhe JPF but they at least acknowledged they existed to be not spoken to. It puzzles me how someone can stand in a crowd, be aware of the conversations around them and not notice the disparity. If anybody had tried to organise chanting would it have been “Down with the rhubarb rhubarb”?
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  2489.  @Peter_1986  "should be reserved for the people who stubbornly insist in an overconfident way that they are right and refuse to change their mind." Which is who he is addressing. There has been abundant number replying to his earlier videos, keen to demonstrate such personal qualities.
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  2490. "microchips in vaccines" Vaccine needles having too narrow a gauge for microchips would be an obvious consideration.
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  2491.  Devilcorn123  Schadenfreude.
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  2492.  @nellaeneguesamoht5223  "the earth spin at 1,000 mph" How many revolutions per day do you think that equates to?
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  2493. Nella Enegue Samoht “just like watching molasses flow in freezing conditions” And you think a camera should see it as a blur? Your argument is to ignore momentum & gravity and assume an absolute frame of reference. Do you have any evidence that Earth doesn’t rotate or orbit other than argument from incredulity?
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  2494. Nella Enegue Samoht You don’t know of evidence or you personally have not witnessed evidence?
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  2495.  @nellaeneguesamoht5223  Which doesn't answer my question.
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  2496. Nella Enegue Samoht Foucault pendulum and gyroscopes demonstrated the rotation that has been surmised from observation. Stellar parallax indicates Earth has an orbit. That you don’t know the evidence or have not personally carried the experiments does not invalidate the evidence.
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  2497. They can't figure out how birds fly and when it's pointed out to them that birds have wings they don't make the association between wings & flight. Pointing out that oceans don't fly because they lack wings seems to have more mental impact.
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  2498. Unfortunately, anything you do provide them with they ignore, deny or simply forget. I often have to answer the same question twice in a thread, sometimes three times. Read this article: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Morton%27s_demon
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  2499. He’s mocking people who are willfully ignorant.
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  2500. Which would appear oval to most observers.
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  2501.  @tjjones621  I was just thinking - I'm assuming he had thought...
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  2502.  @ericb3157  What did he envisage it as moving away from or had that not occurred to him? (Stupid question I think....)
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  2503.  @unionjackjackson2433  It's the Gleason map, a projection of the globe onto a flat surface. We're still waiting for FE'ers to come up with a map that actually works.
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  2504. Advocating a FE is pretty much the pinnacle for proselytising willful ignorance and denial of observable reality. If this was accepted then we would be back to living in caves within a few generations when nobody knows how to repair or build the equipment we use in the course of our daily lives.
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  2505. Paul Myers The presenter said pear-shaped, Tyson went along with it. He simply was referring to the Earth being a little “bottom heavy” not literally a pear.
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  2506. Paul Myers By s fraction of a percent, too little even to be obvious on a photo. You’re demonstrating the usual lack of comprehension of numbers. Land masses tend to get in the way of ships; there’s no path which you could make a full circumnavigation over water but I suspect that is why you’re insisting on a ship. It’s been done umpteen times by air.
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  2507. Projection of a 3D object (globe) onto a flat surface (foldable map) creates distortion. The globe map is accurate; the map will be an inaccurate projection of the accurate globe map.
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  2508. high240 You’re supposed to be questioning what you’re told, not questioning what you’re told. 😊
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  2509. high240 Quite. They insist you do it and then get shirty when you do.
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  2510. FE’ers don’t have a theory. The aim us to demonstrate to FED’s acolytes that their guru does not possess the answers & evidence they claim he does.
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  2511.  @qua_xor3348  Ratio?
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  2512. Do you want to produce this model you all claim exists? Nobody else will so why not be the first?
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  2513. What do you perceive “main stream science” to be and why?
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  2514. john espinal When you throw a ball does it keep moving when it leaves your hand?
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  2515. Captain Rocketblast How far you can see us also determined by the observer elevation; you can see the base of the mountain at that distance because you are well above sea-level. An object can become too far away to see with naked eye well before it reaches the horizon. The idiots who “zoom things back” never bother to distinguish the difference. Try zooming the sun back into view after sunset.
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  2516.  @parkourpov9189  The onus would be on you to demonstrate both that the deity existed and was influencing people; without evidence to back those assertions it would be conjecture. Meanwhile the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from observing the sun, moon & stars; all quite replicable by anybody willing to travel.
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  2517.  @critthought2866  How do you interpret my reply as a borderline attack?
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  2518.  @critthought2866  Fine except my comment started "The onus would be..."; I didn't make a demand.
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  2519.  @critthought2866  Because I answered the questions he asked, not made demands.
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  2520. The association between wings and flight isn’t obvious to FE’ers.
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  2521.  @jeraldsmith7778  The Apollo landings are recognised as genuine worldwide.
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  2522.  @roberttwilkin7886  What do you expect to see from a spirit level when the plane remains at a set angle relative to gravity? Are you expecting to see periodic dipping?
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  2523.  @roberttwilkin7886  That something is outside the box does not make it right.
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  2524.  @roberttwilkin7886  Area of Ireland c. 32k sq miles Area of Sea of Tranquility c. 232k sq miles
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  2525.  @jeraldsmith7778  Which doesn’t answer what I asked.
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  2526. It seems that when the sun is too far way to be seen then you can see the small stars that are even smaller & further away.
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  2527.  @Mikespeed51  Most things do crash to Earth. If you mean satellites then the falling is offset by their tangential velocity, leading moving in an orbit around Earth.
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  2528.  @Mikespeed51  They are put in orbit by thrust; they do need not need continuous thrust to keep moving since there is no friction to speak off. If you mean the gradual drag of the traces of atmosphere at low orbit then that depends on the satellite and how long lived they are required to be; a few seconds of thrust periodically is sufficient to prolong their life. Do you understand that orbit refers to the balance of tangential velocity (inertia) and gravity? That more than one factor can apply simultaneously?
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  2529.  @Mikespeed51  Some are, some aren’t.
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  2530. ​ @Damageincorpor8d  When somebody starts off their comment "I'm not a flat earther but..." and then launches into a critique of someone's character rather than the evidence presented, experience on here is that they are indeed a FE'er, something which quickly becomes apparent. It's no presumptive; it's a reasonable prediction. I wouldn't say FE'ers could be described as sceptics. What thought they have put into the subject is cursory at best, they haven't considered there could be something they don't know or understand (conspiracies aside) and there is persistent belief that espousing a "different" opinion somehow makes them right regardless of the lack of evidence and coherent argument. Everybody's patience is stretched. Many of these FE'ers have simply repeated some of the above 10 claims, others rapidly fall back on insults and some repeatedly demand an explanation they have already been repeatedly given. Umpteen claim to have a working model or conclusive evidence, can't provide either and are get abusive because their word isn't taken for it. The depth of their thinking is typically their brains fusing out at the notion of more than 1 or 2 factors in a problem or failing to see the glaring contradictions in their claims. In terms of talking down to people, some of them really need something explained to them Ladybird fashion.
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  2531.  @Damageincorpor8d  You thought it unreasonable that someone would assume you were a FE'er simply from your OP; I was pointing out that your OP was the same as many FE'ers', where what criticism is offered is personal with no attempt at refutation of what was said. I suspect that you don't have much experience with them.
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  2532.  @amazingj4173  It used to be that we were supposed to be polite to people and respect was something to be earned. I'm happy to be polite and I'm happy to inform people but should I really respect opinions that are self-evidently incorrect?
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  2533.  @derekmartin8127  You realise that FE is not a valid "oppositional thought" and that the shape of Earth is fact, not an opinion?
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  2534. "Or is it a pear shape now lol sorry every1 keeps changing the shape." The shape remains the same as does the inability of FE'ers to understand numbers and what is being said. There is a very slight deviation from a perfect sphere. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Try zooming the set sun back into view (mind your eyes).
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  2535. There would be more to it than press releases. Spacecraft send signals back to Earth; fake ones would have to appear as if they came from distant locations.
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  2536. What are they saying Jupiter is and do they say why?
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  2537. You’re confusing air speed with ground speed. The plane maintains a constant air speed (speed relative to the air around it) while the tailwind increases its ground speed (speed relative to the ground).
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  2538.  @stylesrj It’s powering the little lights in the dome 😊
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  2539. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles were how it was originally deduced. Magellan is the guy first credited with circumnavigating the Earth. There have been umpteen circumnavigational flights including several transpolar circumnavigations. Still doesn’t satisfy them.
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  2540.  @KenBober  How exactly? See which rally the FE’ers are waving signs at? Leaflets through the door from the “Concerned Flat Earthers Network” telling me who I shouldn’t vote for?
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  2541. The globe has a fixed scale; flat projections have a sliding scale since projections of the globe onto a flat surface creates distortion. A flat map of a flat earth would have no such distortion and thus possess a fixed scale.
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  2542. Look at his other videos on the subject. “10 Things All Flat Earthers Say” would be a good place to start.
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  2543. Example?
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  2544. Albert Einstein You may want to amend the “they” in your original post. It can be read more than one way.
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  2545.  @WMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMW  Why would attraction to the centre of the Earth mean Australian’s heads are on the ground?
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  2546. When you throw a ball it continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand; it doesn't abruptly stop. Same when you jump in a truck; you keep moving forwards after breaking contact with the truck.
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  2547. There’s been no takers.
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  2548. He confused inauguration with impeachment or did I miss something? What did he think someone could do to be impeached for in that time frame?
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  2549. It’s Flat https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Perhaps you can explain why you think the results don’t demonstrate a globe.
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  2550. To hide god was the other main one, all being preceded by the at least plausible though insane motive of simply desiring to fool people.
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  2551. Which country are you from? I suspect the majority of FE’ers on English-speaking media are American. Many are so distrustful of government that they don’t stop to consider when, how abd by whom something was determined, just assume it’s government propaganda.
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  2552. Eric VandenAvond The elephants do that. The turtle supports the elephants.
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  2553.  @redpardalis8549  You need to explain how the sun retains the same angular diameter & velocity, how it remains circular despite being partially blocked by a "lamp shade", what this lamp shade is and how the sun moves and remains airborne.
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  2554.  @therussells4950  The horizon is dependent on the observer’s location since elevation and atmospheric refraction are key factors as well as curvature. FE’ers only consider the curvature and consequently calculate the horizon incorrectly.
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  2555.  @therussells4950  How do you think face masks reduce oxygen intake?
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  2556.  @mattwilson487  I notice that like other FE’ers you neglect to say what you consider his errors to be.
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  2557.  @yasir5422  10cm to 1m would be a 10 fold change; Earth’s elliptical orbit gives a 0.01 fold change. Not equivalent.
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  2558.  @kc328  Because you are giving serious consideration to "the government" running a totally pointless conspiracy to fool people for over 2000 years with total power over anybody capable of doing research. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ It's not difficult to verify.
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  2559. A projectile that’s a dud on impact 😊
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  2560.  University of Truth  Explain how you think density can act as a force and why in a consistent direction. Produce some evidence your ice wall exists.
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  2561. Two bowls for burning oil, each with a cover.
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  2562.  @kidsdomath1330  A hemispherical bowl with a hemispherical cover would be spherical, which is where the notion comes from. It was two oil-burning bowls with grill covers, not a globe depicting the Earth.
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  2563.  @Matuse  The notion (originally) is that the Earth goes through a cycle of swelling & shrinking, I think as a hypothesis for tectonic plate shift.
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  2564. Is the dome made of floam? 🤔
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  2565.  @dovski3161  He’s not writing a physics textbook. He made a video aimed at people who can’t make an association between birds having wings and birds being able to fly. So again, had he mentioned the word force while discussing density & buoyancy it would have simply been seen as vindication their notion was correct.
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  2566. They have no grasp of scale and rely on intuitive thinking; they’re assume curvature would be as apparent as a basketball.
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  2567.  @stylesrj Possibly he’s referring to the LibDem political party in Britain though his comment still doesn’t make sense.
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  2568. He’s small and you can’t figure out how he gets stuck in impossibly small spaces?
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  2569. Does he make any use of wireless phones & wifi?
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  2570. Dalek Supreme Difficult as it is for you to comprehend, more than one force can act simultaneously. When the buoyancy from the medium exceeds gravity then the object rises.
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  2571.  @MrQuaiven  Which side of the road did they drive on? Did they put the rubbish out in a different day to everybody else?
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  2572. The gravitational attraction is the same but the centrifugal force is greater with the result that the NET attraction is less. It is why scales are calibrated according to location before use. A scientific theory is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2573. "all prior civilizations were similar in their renderings which support a flat earth design" It was a common assumption; assumptions are not evidence. "encyclopedias prior to the 1950s speak to a dome" That assertion is a generalisation of Antarctica being described as dome-shaped; the description is unequivocally about the landscape of a continent, not a dome over a FE. "multiple aeronautical and government documents which reference a flat & unmoving earth" In experimental aircraft design where several assumptions were made to limit the maths purely to the actual aerodynamics rather account for such things as decreasing weight as the fuel is used and lack of weather. One such simplifying assumption is the landscape being flat. None declare, secretly or openly, that the EArth actually is flat. "laws which keep private citizens from traveling any further south than some 60 degree" etc There aren't any; FE'er claim it but can never provide any references. "One can't help but wonder why." Then you need to check the validity of FE assertions. "speak of "flat earthers" in such a condescending way" Because they continually bang on about how well informed and enlightened they are but can never provide any of the evidence or answers they claim to possess in abundance. "There may actually be some conspiracy fact here though" A conspiracy that FE'ers can provide no reason or evidence for.
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  2574.  @tysonatkins2236  That the voyage started from Britain and that he was killed in the North Pacific should be obvious clues that there was more to the voyage than circumnavigating Antarctica.
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  2575.  @GrimReaper01776 Few are mentally ill; most are simply gullible and ignorant (some willfully so).
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  2576. My understanding is that the original Hebrew word approximates to "roundness" and says nothing of whether it is a disc or a sphere. It also refers to the four corners of the Earth which would imply a square. It's more a case of people trying to read in significance rather than the Bible making any statement on the subject.
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  2577.  @smelly745  Hit so many views & subscribers on your channel and YT gives you a cut of the ad revenue
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  2578. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  2579.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  You make them sound like Lwaxana Troi…
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  2580. FE’ers are self-professed thinkers and endlessly claim to have it all thought out. This should be a simple question but no answers from the Thinkers so far. The purpose of the video is demonstrate they are blowing hot air.
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  2581. dos 7 Try explaining exactly what you think is wrong with the points he made.
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  2582. nick perry No mystery to it. You can measure the shape of the Earth with sticks & their shadows. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  2583.  The Mandalorian  These guys presumably: https://abcnews.go.com/US/video/penguins-stroll-quiet-streets-cape-town-70235402
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  2584. "Globes are all false, And dont show reality" Your line of reasoning for that statement being...?
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  2585. Tine Furlan They don’t come labelled “toy” or “for educational purposes only”. Explain why you think they are inaccurate; provide data.
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  2586.  @HellomuSic1296  ​ ​For the zillionth time: 1. Because it lies on the rotational axis. 2. Tidal locking (orbital & rotational period are the same length), not unusual in moons. 3. There aren’t. 4. An object can pass beyond the limit of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon (yes, there can be more then one reason that you can’t see something). Try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  2587.  @عوع-س4ت  Reread What I wrote, slowly.
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  2588.  @عوع-س4ت  I suggest you read more than the first hit. Most search engines don’t return the same results for everyone; what you’ve asked for in the past is included in the algorithms.
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  2589.  @gertrude574  A bugbear I agree, but if we don’t have accuracy in communicating facts then we reach the point where we don’t know anything anymore; we just think we do.
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  2590. Don’t look. Failing that there are personal star domes or claims that people are just being told what they see.
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  2591. The commando penguins or some unarmed decoys?
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  2592. DOC SAVAGE The Windows update has changed by login image to penguins 🤔
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  2593. DOC SAVAGE That would explain the two all seeing eyes on their heads 😊
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  2594. Pets Pro I wonder whose face the man in the moon has in North Korea...
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  2595.  @bradjensen2674  The truck is moving forwards at 30mph; it continues to maintain the 30mph due to its engine providing forwards force. You aren't self-propelled. When you jump you travel through the 30mph airflow and that slows you down slightly relative to the truck; for the time you suspend aloft the slights change in your momentum drops you a few cm behind your starting position. The point is that your 30mph forwards momentum does not magically cease when you jump; you continue moving forwards.
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  2596.  @bradjensen2674  The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. You can (with some travel or cooperation) confirm those observations for yourself. We are still waiting for FE'ers to explain how they are possible on a FE. The question was answered 2500 years ago.
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  2597.  @bradjensen2674  Compasses align north-south
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  2598.  @bradjensen2674  Water does not have wings, birds do.
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  2599.  @bradjensen2674  Skydiver - conservation of momentum. How does a thrown ball keep moving when it breaks contact with your hand?
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  2600.  @victorfinberg8595  The inner cylinder sets the water rotating but you can’t figure out why a rotating Earth would come to have a rotating atmosphere?
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  2601.  @Krugis  Oops yes.
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  2602.  @bradjensen2674  Compasses align north-south; one end points north, the other end points south.
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  2603.  @bradjensen2674  Because it has no enclosure.
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  2604.  @bradjensen2674  North is north, south is south. A compass is a magnet. The red end always points north. The blue or white end always points south. Since north remains north and south remains south and the compass always aligns with the red end pointing north and the blue/white end pointing south the compass is not going to swing around.
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  2605.  @bradjensen2674  "it always points north it never points south no matter how far south you go" If you mean what happens at a magnetic pole then they don't work close to them; the magnetic file is toroidal and thus close to the magnetic poles the compasses would essentially be trying to point into the ground and the balancing on the compass's pivot won't allow far from the horizontal. Once away from the magnetic pole the compass will align as before, ie., north to south.
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  2606.  @victorfinberg8595  Discussion where?
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  2607.  @victorfinberg8595  One of the invisible comments unfortunately 🙁
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  2608.  @victorfinberg8595  No, though I can see your reply to Brad Jensen.
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  2609.  @bradjensen2674  How do you think skydivers achieve it?
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  2610.  @victorfinberg8595  We’ve already had this discussion; some people see certain comments, others don’t. That other people can see them at all and that they are counted as present means they haven’t been deleted or censored. It is just a problem with traffic between servers.
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  2611. BurrosSWE You consider critical thinking to mean ignoring evidence you don’t want to hear?
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  2612. No wish to be associated with willful idiots.
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  2613. They can’t explain anything, they can’t provide answer and sometimes can’t even understand the relevance of the questions asked but remain convinced that what they don’t know and can’t say must be right. Principally, its due to either wanting to be “in the know” or being in harmony with their religious beliefs trumping observable, verifiable fact.
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  2614. I wonder how many times they would need to go around?
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  2615.  @leafy126.5  Willful ignorance can spread.
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  2616.  @variousbirdspecieshahaha  Would you like videos of us touching silver and stepping over running water?
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  2617.  @Bubnugget  Watch the whole series he has made, in chronological order. By this point in the series FE’ers are being presented with examples that are self-evident even with their minimalist thinking and some of the Thinkers are still mindlessly repeating what has repeatedly shown to be wrong.
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  2618. They didn’t want the bad publicity.
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  2619. The sun wouldn’t rise or set at all on a FE.
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  2620.  @kaihoffmann2011 Again, gravity is neither irresistible nor the only force.
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  2621.  @kalanivernon7273  The vestibular system is sensitive to change; a constant motion wouldn't induce change. The brain infers the motion from the minor variations that do cause change. The earth rotates at a constant velocity (no variation) at a rate below the sensitivity of the organ to the rotational change. The optic nerve is off-centre; the fovea has central position and is the most sensitive part of the retina. The brain will attempt to correct for anything blocked by the optic nerve or retinal damage and routinely extrapolates from what you do see to give you the impression of high resolution over a wide field.
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  2622.  @kalanivernon7273  I corrected you on a few key points.
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  2623.  @kalanivernon7273  You thinking getting key points wrong is inconsequential?
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  2624. It would need to observe its environment, make a decision and move itself. How do you think it could do that?
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  2625. You could put it on imgur (it doesn't have to be public) and post a link.
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  2626.  @gordyoung7205 You’re 1” tall?
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  2627. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Easy enough for anyone to check.
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  2628. What do you consider incorrect and why?
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  2629.  @petroleumalley  Reminds me of the Kids/Teens React To series.
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  2630. An airliner is about a 35th of a mile 360 degrees / (25,000 miles * 35) = ?
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  2631. A hypothesis is a best guess; science doesn't stop there.
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  2632.  @danielrinobravo  You mean does the motion of the Earth influence how an object falls?
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  2633.  @demo9855 Real like the conspiracies about a pizza restaurant (US) or nursery school (UK)? Occasionally a conspiracy theory will turn out to be true; the majority will still be barmy.
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  2634.  @demo9855  And yet manages to smoothly run numerous large scale conspiracies?
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  2635. It’s used for shipping; a straight course can be plotted as a straight line.
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  2636. Still waiting on a FE’er to explain what they find amiss with the Cavendish experiment or what they think caused the attraction. The last one suggested spontaneous draughts.
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  2637.  @danielvarga_p  The point was to demonstrate to FED’s acolytes that their guru did not possess the FE evidence & arguments to rewrite our understanding of the world. The shape of the world has long since been measured, mapped & photographed from every angle. FE’ers can’t even explain the observations of sun & stars that the ancient Greeks used to first deduce that the Earth was a globe. FED’s entire presentation was “unanswered questions” that have long since been answered, repeatedly. He is apoealing to those unable ir unwilling to thonk beyond a single factor and who like “different” explanations to what tgey were taught in school. There is no debate to be had.
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  2638.  @kristenscarbrough2444  Scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2639. If you stand on the equator you’ll feel yourself be pulled north or south? It’s a wind-up.
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  2640.  @homelesszaya6711  You realise that science progresses by formulating hypotheses and testing them?
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  2641.  @homelesszaya6711  You seem to have a garbled notion of science terminology.
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  2642.  @homelesszaya6711  "I mean we need atoms" Not for the Big Bang. "but only millions old" 14.5 billion years. "we also know what happens inside a black hole" You've spent most of the thread railing against theoretical physics. "never address the clownish nonsense we followed as "methods" or "laws"" As I said earlier, you have a garbled understanding of science terminology and no interest in answers.
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  2643. redddlord 1. Having demonstrated the Earth’s curvature, that gravity is always perpendicular to the surface disproves a universal down.
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  2644. 4 If you’re trying to calculate centrifugal force then you need the radius and rotational speed.
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  2645. redddlord 5 & 6. Cavendish experiment.
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  2646. uuaschbaer I said they have to account for rising & setting; I did not say their explanation was valid. As has been repeatedly said here, any explanation has to account for all aspects of the moon’s behaviour, not multiple conflicting explanations for different aspects.
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  2647. uuaschbaer 2:04 - 2:10
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  2648.  @hakheoyeh It originated mid-19th century from a religious anti-science footing.
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  2649. It’s obvious to most but there are some who can’t or won’t think and learn.
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  2650.  @micheldubeau5076  The vibrations came from the satellites impact in the moon, not generated by the moon.
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  2651.  @warmachineuk  Depends on who you are asking for evidence; ask them and you are called sheep.
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  2652.  @maxfan1591  Presumably they all agree that the <insert personal bogeymen> are responsible?
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  2653. Mr Cirino Which continents does the the equator pass through?
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  2654. Depends on the quality of your vacuum :-)
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  2655.  @angel_withaflamethrower  YT has been playing up in recent months; which comments different people can see varies.
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  2656.  @ivanjosipovic7206  English originated in England and spread to multiple countries through colonization. Each place evolved slightly differently. In the US, with immigration from a wide range of countries, spelling became more standardised. Hence far & farthest rather than far & furthest. There’s no standard form of English in science; which is used in a paper depends entirely on where each journal is based.
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  2657. Christopher Gielink No, it’s the result of dealing with FE’ers convinced they have insight that totally rewrites the universe as we know it despite the fact they can’t answer any questions or know how the globe was proved.
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  2658. SpareUmbrella Drop the sentence about magical aether and spell Jesus correctly and you would be indistinguishable from a FE’er rant.
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  2659. Snite FE’ers claim the moon is within a few thousand miles of Earth, that its proximity would somehow explain it rising & setting due to perspective. If you wish to disprove a model then you need to test the properties of that model.
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  2660. The metric system isn’t universal yet.
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  2661. @Lachlan McNeill What explanations were you expecting to find in a video entitled "10 Challenges"? Try "The 10 Things All Flat-Earthers Say". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o
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  2662. Germán Esteban Dziekonski Dupré Do you really think that in nearly a century nobody has bothered to query the Big Bang Theory or look for evidence?
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  2663. Be novel and explain how density acts as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  2664. The moon is tidally locked: its rotation period matches its orbital period. If the orbital period matched the Earth's rotational period then the moon would occupy a fixed position in the sky. Gravitational force is dependent on both mass and separating distance. The sun may have more mass than Earth but is substantially further away. The moon is slowing drifting away from Earth. All mass has gravity. The well-distanced moon can move the water on Earth but the water itself is held to the Earth's surface by Earth's gravity. The water rotates & orbits with Earth. Earth's gravity is in a constant position relative to the water; it isn't generating any movement that would create a tide. Space is big, the fluctuations (you're talking quantum level?) miniscule and fleeting.
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  2665.  @ChristianIce  And they’re usually plugged in while sucking 😊
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  2666.  @chuckbury2212  What makes you think travel is impossible?
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  2667.  @chuckbury2212  I come from one continent and live in another. What makes you think travel is impossible?
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  2668. Scott Meyer 42 splits? Only Shaggy & Scooby could handle that...
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  2669. There's a giant elephant on the top of the sphere running backwards & forwards to keep it balanced.
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  2670.  @ganj-ratandtheholloman4328  Gravity's existence is a fact; the law is a description of the effect, the theory is how it works. You don't need to know how something works for it to exist or be used.
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  2671.  @therealgeneralMacArthur  What could cause his eyes to jumble the stars and only the stars?
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  2672.  @therealgeneralMacArthur  If everything around him was jumbled up then it would be apparent when he was infant and it would be extremely unlikely he’d be making this comment.
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  2673. I would hazard a guess at "the wind blows, what more is there to know?" before passing onto "that's just what the weather reports have been scripted to tell you".
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  2674.  @blaineilr  See the Part 4 video following this one. Prof Dave discusses the practicality of such a conspiracy.
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  2675. That was the Mercator projection. FE’ers keep claiming the Gleason projection is the FE map or simply claim there is a Real Map that they all possess but none can produce.
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  2676. Once they have had every point explained or rebutted and they are still insisting they are right then the D-K effect applies.
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  2677. contemplate We’ve been explaining why you should be able to see it but you seem unable to handle the concept of multiple factors and instead rely on incorrect tables. Your entire line of reasoning is that you can see a ferry that a table says you shouldn’t therefore there just gotta be a huge worldwide conspiracy running for 2000+ years when you simply should be querying the accuracy of the table.
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  2678. Vladimir Medina Each of which specify what simplifications they are making and why. Try actually reading the whole paragraph and actually think rather than picking out a few words to suit your opinions.
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  2679. He’s one of the FE gurus.
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  2680. They think long distance flights are based on guesswork rather than accurate maps.
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  2681.  @where578 Unfortunately there are people who think anything that differs from the “official narrative” is automatically right.
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  2682.  @rusblock  The Pentagon has to report expenditures to the GAO.
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  2683. The equator at the equinox. Look north then turn and look south.
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  2684. There is serious competition between academics and we don't receive mysterious instructions on what we should do or what results we should arrive at. Faking data is one of the biggest no-nos in academia; being caught usually ends your career. Given that I could earn substantially more if I hadn't gone into science I wouldn't say I was top of the food chain.
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  2685. FE’ers bungle the experiments and are selective about results & interpretation.
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  2686. Spells Of Truth Yet every concave object looks concave, convex looks convex and straight looks straight. Why don’t your eyes distort them but only Earth?
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  2687. The original claim was that they get a kick out of fooling you; that at least was a plausible if pointless end goal. Since then it has shifted to hiding God (apparently heliocentric = sun worship), taking economic advantage of lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall & impenetrable dome or establishing total mind control (1 proponent).
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  2688.  @ElecWaff  I always wonder why the people who insist “the government” lies about everything are not driving on the wrong side of the road.
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  2689. Both are acceptable; which is used is dependent on country.
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  2690. Yet they never explain who they think would gain when every penny (and more) would have to be ploughed into maintaining a 2000 year plus conspiracy.
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  2691. NinjaMonkeyPrime What colour?
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  2692. Research is a fundamental part of science. The hypothesis was based on the results of research, not just an idea someone had.
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  2693. Take Off Your Blinkers Reread you OP; you said that science & research were separate.
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  2694.  @ericb3157 He saw through the ruse?
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  2695. Since direct observation is the only form of evidence that they are willing to accept they don’t accept any evidence that they a brain.
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  2696. Uniform elevation, not lack of curvature.
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  2697. They haven’t; they altered the search algorithms to downgrade misinformation.
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  2698. You didn’t look through his playlists?
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  2699.  @Krugis  You have a lot of that white stuff I’ve heard about?
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  2700.  @Krugis  Here its a few inches snow in years ending in zero. I was in Milwaukee for a few years; 11ft of snow the first year was a shock.
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  2701.  @simonwachon6723  "you mean like distances to the Horizon?" No, as in distance between cities.
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  2702. Simon Wachon The atmosphere gradually declines in pressure with increasing altitude. When you drop an object does it plummet to the ground or very slowly rise upwards? Are the distances between cities known? It’s a simple question and you’re claiming to be well informed so answer the question.
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  2703. Simon Wachon Explain your basis for only one variable to act at a time and why you think constant values are inherently variable. We might get somewhere if your underlying reasoning was clear.
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  2704.  @simonwachon6723  If a factor is present then it has an effect on the object; it has an effect even if it is not the dominant effect, e.g., gravity does not magically cut off when you life an object and the conservation of momentum is not magivally cancelled when a plane turns its engines on. Pressure inside a container would be constant. You aren't going to get a pressure gradient when the only factor is pressure and it is in a sealed space. You need to explain how you think that could happen. It doesn't matter whether gravity is a direct force or the result of space-time curvature by a gravitational field; gravity is a factor and a factor that gets weaker with increasing distance from the planet. A balance of pressure and declining gravity on a planetary scale will produce a pressure gradient. The ISS has been in visible orbit for 20+ years. We are still awaiting a good explanation from conspiracy buffs as to how it can be achieved. So far we've had a plane that doesn't run out of fuel, isn't affected by the ambient weather and piloted by people who are unaware of what they are doing; a balloon that is propelled by nothing, remained aloft for 20 years longer than the usual lifetime of a balloon and is also unaffected by weather; a worldwide network of projectors that nobody can find projecting an image onto something, that have never gone on the blink in 20+ years, that are unaffected by cloud cover and (like the planes) staffed by people who are unaware of what they are doing; a chip with a mini-projector secretly built into every telescope worldwide. Do you want to try coming up with one? "for there to be a ball Earth the horizon needs to be a physical edge" Why does there need to be a physical edge? "Are you going with Newton who didn’t want his name ascribed to Gravity" Then why would he publish and stick his name on the Principia? He expressed disquiet because he couldn't explain what gravity was, only the effect that it had.
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  2705.  @stylesrj  Depends on the style of monarchy.
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  2706. Duck Sawse How high do you think the pressure is around the moon and how do you conclude it is sufficient to produce a substantial amount of resistance to Apollo craft?
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  2707.  @blueflowers6738  "I don't know." "would be significant" "the math COMPLETELY falls apart " If you don't know then how do you conclude the effect would be significant and large enough to make the maths fall apart? Which is it? Are you assuming that the drag just has to be huge? "(although the records are "lost")" No, the tapes the data was originally stored on went the same way as floppies. Some people have serious difficulties understanding that data is transferable and so run around telling people the data is lost despite it being downloadable. "I'm looking for other perspectives on the above" You need to do the calculations first, then draw conclusions, not jump directly to the latter.
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  2708.  @blueflowers6738  You are assuming the drag would make a substantial difference; that is why you need to calculate it. If the correction needed would be a burn time totally masked by the in flight corrections then who would notice and how? "It would have been obvious " Something you are assuming. Do the calculations.
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  2709. Why would objects thrown upwards fall at all? They would be moving faster than the Earth.
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  2710. Conservation of momentum. It moves at the same speed as the Earth when on the ground and retains that eastwards momentum when it takes off in the same way a thrown ball continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand.
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  2711. A sensible approach towards those who have leapt down the rabbithole. However you can reach those who are merely looking down it; this “debate” was for their benefit.
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  2712.  @jaymantisgaming  It is dependent on the Bible making some figurative references to the view; at no point does it state the shape of the Earth and there is no teaching dependent on the Earth being flat. It's just a desire for everything in the Bible to be literal.
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  2713.  @daftwulli6145  Both QM & relativity are correct in the same way Newtonian physics is correct: each in their own range. There will be an overarching theory that covers both.
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  2714.  @DavidVonDestruct  While it was revived on the 19th century it’s the creation of sites like YT that gave it a shot in the arm.
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  2715.  @derpmandeer  FE restarted in 19th century, largely stagnated by early 20th, use of YT et al several years ago gave the conmen, delusional & gullible a public platform. Given the inability of some people to think beyond the present there will undoubtedly be those who assume YT has always been around 😊
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  2716. On the Mercator map which is intended for shipping; straight courses can be plotted as straight lines.
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  2717. Raziel Sarafan You would need a minimum of three sticks to disprove the Earth is flat; Eratosthenes was obtaining measurements of something that was known only spheres have circular cross-sections from every angle). It’s why FE’ers refuse to think beyond using two sticks.
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  2718. max5250 True but we’re dealing with people who can’t handle more than concept at a time. They can visualise a whole range of clouds but ask how much sunlight can shine through clouds and all clouds suddenly take on uniform properties.
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  2719.  @stephenmorrison335 Periodicity of the eclipses at a particular location. You don’t need a model to calculate from, their predictions lacked precision and the periodicity changed with time.
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  2720. Jeepin roughcountry The plane would be moving to keep the sun in view when it would otherwise be blocked from direct view by the Earth’s rotation. It would not be having a race with the sun.
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  2721. That was said in the 1920’s &1930’s, not currently.
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  2722.  @C_Becker One hopes he does given the varying height of roofs 😊
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  2723. Not if the rustle in the bushes is a predator. Associating the rustle with a predator and running away tended to mean living longer, which is why evolution is biased against curiosity. We are still inclined to arrive at intuitive answers rather than contemplative ones.
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  2724. This is aimed at people who have difficulty understanding two forces can act simultaneously and think buoyancy proves density is the downwards force.
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  2725. Use three or more points and the sun can’t be triangulated at all. FE’ers get around it by refusing to consider more than two points and ignoring triangulation completely.
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  2726. The shortest route essentially crosses the top of the Atlantic, a course that appears as an arc across the top of it on a Mercator map. You wouldn’t loop over the Arctic.
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  2727. 777 Wisdom Why not answer the question and explain how you measured the distance to the sun from the video?
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  2728. 777 Wisdom I see whatever light reaches my retina; how far it has travelled is irrelevant. The sun appears brighter because of the camera’s settings and because it is above the main body of the atmosphere that diffuses some of the sunlight. Mercury, Venus and Mercury are titchy compared to the size of a star. The bigger something is then the easier it is to see at a distance. Do you know what the markings on a ruler are for?
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  2729. Tell them it’s an antivaccine.
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  2730. You encounter spacetime distortion near lightspeed; the FE would continue to accelerate relative to the folks on the surface but the view of the night sky would be very different. There is no explanation for what would make the Earth accelerate upwards and as it neared light speed it would require more & more force to gain the same apparent acceleration.
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  2731.  @mikeknox7453 The Earth is in space and is not a vacuum.
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  2732. Other possibilities are that the <insert boogeymen> are fooling you to fool you. Alternatively believing in a globe gives the <insert boogeymen> total mind control over you.
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  2733. Asher Weinerman That radius is a factor in calculating each force does not mean it is the only factor.
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  2734. And if the air pressure remains constant.
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  2735.  @petroleumalley  If globes are just “educational toys” then surely he would always have a good number on the sleigh? Not sure how he makes it back to the NP when all the toys have been delivered; perhaps he relies on the kids who have been naughty between loading the sleigh and him delivering.
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  2736.  @petroleumalley  Not good quality - it's missing continents :-)
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  2737. Two lead balls with the same surface charge would attract each other how?
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  2738.  @leogilbert6837  Then why bring up a point about jet fuel not melting metal? People didn’t weeks surveying and planting explosives within a structure and nobody noticed? The PHS is government-funded, not the government. Decisions are made within such a body, not passed down from the government. As I noted the original project ended but various people continued it; it wasn’t run as one long project.
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  2739.  @Dawn95284  Your original post has disappeared from my feed so I’m not sure I can answer directly. Something occurring by chance can be plausibly postulated as divine intervention; there is no way to test it. However divine intervention to explain the FE sun requires denying observable reality.
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  2740.  @stylesrj  Plus H&S inspections regardless of whether anybody goes or not 😊
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  2741. The failure of experiments in the 19th & 20th century to find any evidence of luminferous aether. Einstein et al demonstrated why light doesn’t require a medium to travel through.
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  2742. Why do you envisage it being different times? When you throw a ball does it leep moving when it leaves your hand?
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  2743.  @luke_4252 Definitely still are purple 🥕 though I find there isn’t an emoji of them 😊
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  2744. They’re opening their minds to the other possibilities rather than simply accepting what They tell them, which they know just gotta be wrong for obvious reasons they never elucidate. I think that is the right blurgle.
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  2745.  @unionjackjackson2433  "said it was more pear shaped below and above the equator" And went on to point how small the deviation was. Since FE don't understand the concept of scale, any deviation is reduced to "enormous" in your heads.
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  2746. I think that when it comes to considering multiple observers their brains hit the same obstruction as when they need to consider multiple factors.
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  2747. Pets Pro I’m stuck here because the Tardis rental hasn’t shown up yet 😊
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  2748. What “valid arguments that are difficult to deny”?
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  2749. Meg You watch videos fail to demonstrate a flat Earth yet conclude that they succeeded because they are in the minority? I think you need to pause and reflect. Twain’s point was that you shouldn’t go with the majority simply because it is the majority. He said nothing of the minority being automatically right.
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  2750. Watch the rest of the series; he pitches it at their intellectual level.
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  2751. If the water forms a sphere then there is a surface for surface tension to occur at.
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  2752. A glycol is not automatically toxic simply because ethylene glycol is. That something tastes sweet does not mean it can or will be used as a sweetener regardless of toxicity. “Big sugar” arose as a consequence of fat reduction in foods, not a cause.
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  2753. Flat as in no distortion in other dimensions, not flat as in 2D.
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  2754. Sort by newest first. YouTube’s algorithms were tweaked to downgrade misinformation rather than supply the misinformed with more of the same.
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  2755. Some are just con men, other just being trolls but some will be genuine. Unfortunately people can be selective about that they listen to, fail to think something through or question the limits of their knowledge & understanding and, for some, having special knowledge outweighs rationality.
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  2756. Adam Ciacelli There’s no boundary between vacuum and atmosphere, just a gradual increase in pressure from essentially zero to 1atm. Consequently there is no abrupt change in the medium an object is travelling through. A gas doesn’t form any boundary layer. In a container the container itself is the boundary. With the Apollo craft, only the Command Module returned to Earth. Though the heat shields took a beating most of the craft was jettisoned at different points to reduce mass and make efficient use of fuel. Another common mistake is reading 10^-x as -10^x or assuming the difference between orders of magnitude equals the arithmetic difference.
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  2757. To be accurate that scale reality won't fit in a lab; if the laws of nature changed as you walked into a lab (as some seem to think) then potentially there would be a lab in which you could do it :-)
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  2758.  @miloszforman6270  You weren’t “shadow banned”; you were blocked. You could see your comments because you posted them; they were sitting in your comment history. Nobody else worldwide would see your comments. The current problem seems entirely random.
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  2759.  @miloszforman6270  I should have been clearer; Im referring to YT’s current problem.
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  2760.  @adamtemple9417  That video is from Canada. North American pronunciation is nigh-kon. The Japanese tend to use the Japanese pronunciation.
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  2761. Lunar eclipses are caused by the Earth’s shadow. Lunar phases are due to the moon’s orbit changing how much of the sunlit side that we can be see.
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  2762. Viktor Rhyce91 Church refers to the people; it is only relatively recently that church has come to also refer to church buildings.
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  2763.  @yourweirdplant  The Earth’s surface was fully mapped in the 19th century. We have multiple pictures taken hourly from different angles. That some things are not fully understood and are still the subject of ongoing research does not mean nothing is known. My comment referred to how two words are differently defined. While language evolves with time you can’t conflate meanings then claim you can’t distinguish them.
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  2764. @I BREATHE AIR Why not try refuting what he says rather than throwing insults?
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  2765. Najib Choueiry Not being able see a boat with your unaided eye at 3 miles tells you nothing of what happens beyond that distance.
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  2766. "give this a watch and think on it" You need to think on it. Preferably learn some basic maths & physics before trying to advocate it again.
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  2767. Buffalo Bear 8”/mile^2 describes a parabola and was used a rule of thumb by land surveyors to estimate the surface curvature. Curvature is only one factor in determining how far you can see but your minds can’t handle more than one factor at a time. Chicago being visible across Lake Michigan makes headlines in the local news; that should be a clue it isn’t routinely visible. Polaris is 430 light years away; the greater distance an object is from you, the less it appears to change position with your movement.
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  2768. Look up the cartoon science news cycle.
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  2769.  @codacode3623  You’re equating the globe to sasquatch?
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  2770. jasonc0065 You need to produce numbers.
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  2771. Tim A By design I hope 😊
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  2772. "Whilst in space on day-side earth the stars are off and on night side earth they are on...why is this? " Exposure time on the camera. In bright light (sun) the exposure has to be very short or the picture will just be a wash of white. Since stars are faint they require a long exposure time, something that is only possible on the night side.
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  2773. There’s no convincing The Enlightened. They rely heavily on outright denial, are willfully ignorant and willfully stupid, each has their own version of The Truth and their minds have these peculiar dead zones when it comes to mentally reconciling observable reality with their beliefs. It’s totally frustrating if you simply try and reason with them. Don’t continue trying. What you can do is taking their own claims and get them to go into detail, inducing them to tie themselves in knots trying to answer. The more insults you get back then the more successful you’re being in making them look like the fools they are.
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  2774.  @TiktokColonizerr  FEers have difficulty comprehending that one more than one force can apply simultaneously.
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  2775. To demonstrate to FED's acolytes that FED does not have answers & evidence at his fingertips.
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  2776. You’re asking why you don’t see a globe with a 25 mile circumference on a globe with a 25,000 mile circumference.
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  2777.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Is it worth refuting them?
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  2778.  @victorfinberg8595  Most of their videos seem to be an hour long. 🙄I left a comment on the "water isn't hydrogen & oxygen" video; we'll see how long it lasts.
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  2779.  @dxdrifta  Taken from planets bred to have a low THC content. You're assuming that all cannabis planets are the same whereas like any other plant they have been selectively bred. They've come into recent pharmacological use because the different active agents have been identified and those medically beneficial distinguished from those that are harmful.
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  2780.  @dxdrifta  Whats your good question about FE?
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  2781.  @dxdrifta  Because FE'ers are interested in heat from the moon they forget to think about other heat sources; their minds can't think beyond one factor. Still waiting on any plausible explanation what "cold light" would be when light transmits energy or why the moon would be the only source of "cold light". "don't consider any other possible kind of approach" Critiquing experimental method requires such consideration; pointing out the fundamental errors in an experimental method is not "excuses and personal attacks". FE'ers are very good at making assumptions; that's usually why their experiments are screwed up.
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  2782.  @dxdrifta  I've been dealing with FE'ers for a few years; that they are usually stuck on one factor is an observation. Trying to get across that there can be multiple contributory factors can be difficult; some can handle a second but three or more and you get accusations of muddying the waters. When it comes to "cold light" it is necessary to think what heat sources are around you and what the heat flow is; you can't dismiss everything those simply because you are interested in only one source. The most common mistake is placing a cover over the thermometer without being aware that heat rises from the ground or other surface and will be trapped under the cover; it's not the moon cooling the thermometer, it's the covering effectively warming it up. Placing it in the shade can mean moving closer to a house that is exuding heat or placing it on a different surface with a different heat capacity. Their methodology is too lackadaisical to be worth anything in. Light is energy; contribute energy to something and you will get heat. None of the people talking about "cold light" are able to put forward a hypothesis how the could be negative energy or how the moon and only the moon would be emanating such. There have been astronomers for millenia; that the moon is reflecting sunlight is long established. No FE explanation has ever been forthcoming as to how the moon would be self-powered, have phases or show the same face to everybody. Yes, science can change but it requires evidence and sound reasoning whereas FE'ers rely on just gotta be & just does. Yes, their ideas are usually readily disprovable; in this case it's ignoring heat flow, claiming negative energy and assuming the moon is a light.
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  2783.  @dxdrifta  We don't get a full moon during the day. You need to supply evidence that it can happen if you think it does.
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  2784. Somebody said the fire pits of hell are there but couldn’t explain how people could remain in them with his Universal Down pulling them out.
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  2785. More a case that they won’t know what the exact inactive ingredients are for each vaccine (they vary).
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  2786. Sam Doherty It’s not the people who believe it, who are not going to be convinced by reality, but those who think there is something in the FE assertions of basic science being wrong, accidentally or deliberately.
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  2787. It would be approaching light speed in a year. Relativity being what it is would mean that it would get closer & closer to light speed but never actually reach it.
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  2788.  Devilcorn123  The Soviet Union did that :-)
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  2789. TYCHO DishTV had a real-time camera mounted on one of its satellites for a few years.
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  2790.  @wandersoftheworldorg  Saw one responding or you responded?
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  2791.  @wandersoftheworldorg  6. Still no evidence of atmospheric lensing, no explanation provided for how the sun maintains a constant angular velocity & angular diameter, the path it follows or how it sets at a predictable time & direction without coming within 10-15 degrees of the horizon. Fail. 7a. You're confusing umbra with penumbra, something shown in the diagram you say doesn't provide the explanation. Unless the light source is a single point then you are going to get a penumbra in the shadow. Granted saying "I don't understand how.." is saying something. 7b. Centrifugal force at the equator is <0.5% that of gravity. The atmospheric pressure gradient is matched by gravitational attraction of the atmosphere. Still waiting on an explanation for what you think is wrong with the laws of thermodynamics. None of this is a statement about lunar eclipses. 7c. The sun & moon are on opposite sides of the Earth and refraction makes their apparent position a little higher than their actual position. 8. The video is available on YT last time I looked. I think you are referring to the one where the horizon has been straightened out, an alteration that is obvious due to the curvature that has appeared in the straight lines in the equipment elsewhere in the shot. WHile it goes high in the atompshere it doesn't go anywhere near the sun or moon. Fail. 9. Most of the southern hemisphere intercontinental flights would be beyond the flightrange of the planes on a FE, the map of which you haven't produced. Try producing the flight paths that fit a FE. The emergency diversions in the northern hemisphere are consistent with a globe; you're assuming that a direct flight would appear as a straight line on a projected map. Fail. 10. Did you account for the heat trapped in by the shading? How sensitive is your thermometer? Did you try it with and without the moon? Bluntly, did you understand what you were doing? Pointing out you're supposed to be answering the challenges is not a straw man nor have I used any strawmen.
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  2792.  @wandersoftheworldorg  The sliding scale is at the foot of the map; a set distance is represented by a varying distance on the map, that increasing with the increase in latitude southwards.
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  2793.  @wandersoftheworldorg  A selenelion eclipse requires less than half degree if refraction, substantially less 90 degrees.
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  2794.  @wandersoftheworldorg  Both sun & moon are on the horizon; refraction makes them appear to the observer to be above the horizon. Sun, Earth & moon are in physical alignment and the Earth’s shadow is projected onto the moon. It doesn’t take a genius to comprehend but it seems beyond you.
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  2795.  @wandersoftheworldorg  You’re being a willful idiot. I specifically said sun & moon are opposing horizons and refraction makes then appear higher, not vice versa.
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  2796.  @wandersoftheworldorg  Refraction has nothing to do with the direction of the eclipse shadow. If, from the observer's perspective, the sun is setting and the moon rising then the shadow will begin at the "top" of the moon because of the motion of the bodies.
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  2797. The question is whether or not it originated from a lab leak, not whether it was “man-made”. Labs do use isolated viruses.
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  2798. drz Rowbotham didn’t bother correcting for refraction. How many times does that need to be demonstrated to satisfy you that it has been demonstrated?
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  2799.  @leesmall795  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude; you can verify it all for yourself. Can you see radio waves?
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  2800.  @stuarthall4191  Some argue there is actually an infinite plane rather than an edge but, as with the edge, none of them have been there to witness it.
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  2801. There’s a short story that runs along those lines. The Prof releases a book making some absurd claim then later appears as a guest speaker at the inaugural pro-claim conference where he runs through the deliberate errors in the book and explains his purpose. His speech is interpreted as him being forced to recant, he’s hailed as a hero and fins himself being carried around the auditorium on the shoulders of a cheering crowd.
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  2802. So?
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  2803. They did. It eventually dawned on them whyit wouldn’t work.
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  2804. Projecting the Earth onto a flat surface gnomonic map and getting distortion proves the gnomonic map is an accurate depiction of reality how exactly?
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  2805. About 20cm.
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  2806. That would be the aether that nobody has evidence of?
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  2807.  Joeseph Smith  Your evidence for luminiferous aether is the Bible?
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  2808.  Joeseph Smith  The context is luminiferous aether, the hypothetical substance that was thought to exist beyond the atmosphere and thought necessary for the transmission of light through airless space.
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  2809.  Joeseph Smith  No, I understand language. Aether was thought necessary for the propagation of EM waves, including radio. Though its existence was disproved it still gets referred to in radio broadcasting. It does not mean air.
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  2810. The Earth was deduced to be a sphere around 500BC, long before the RC church came into existence. They accepted the Ptolemaic model as reality.
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  2811. The air inside the train is moving at the same speed as the train.
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  2812. EmilTorge That’s the English language. You will find all languages have their quirks.
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  2813. The time & speed is inconsistent with a FE and the plane would be flying over land, not over water.
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  2814.  @spicyboi3960  That would be what’s down rather what’s up 😊
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  2815. I, Spartacus How would it rise & set in the course of each day while maintaining the same phase?
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  2816.  @kayokake  Something being “presented as fact” means asserted without supporting evidence, whether that evidence exists or not. “What’s the evidence?” is a reasonable question under those circumstances. He’s pointing out that the evidence exists.
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  2817.  @eoghanburke2581  Dave’s asking FE’ers to use logic to prove themselves right rather than just repeating what they’ve been told. The challenges arise from logical deduction.
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  2818.  @ericb3157  I remember that as a short story; the cars lived like sloths and only became agitated when parasites burrowed into them. Once the parasites were ejected they became quiet again.
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  2819.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  I commented because your OP was incorrect. Theories do not become laws; they are two quite different things.
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  2820.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  With regards to your assertion about theory & hypothesis, don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs.
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  2821.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  The soft body forms are not so readily preserved in fossils; that there are far fewer does not mean they were absent. If you think they were introduced artificially then you need to build a case to support that, not simply assert as a valid alternative. "I dont know why I kept saying precambrian" I typed the same thing.
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  2822.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  The law of gravity describes attraction as being proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separating distance; it offers no explanation why such attraction occurs. The theory of gravity (space-time distortion) is why the attraction occurs. Law & theory are two distinct things; one is not a progression of the other.
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  2823.  @thesaltyspacecowboy8531  Speculation is not evidence.
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  2824. @Yuri DeKhed I’ve posted half a comment accidentally by simply brushing the send icon while tapping.
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  2825. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  2826. Look up basic facts about photography, brightness and exposure times.
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  2827.  @mickowens9839  Arithmetic being as simple as you can get in maths. That you find it complicated speaks volumes.
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  2828.  @mickowens9839  I’m British; we excel in sarcasm. Unfortunately you’re making a good job of imitating a FE’er; sometimes it is difficult to tell. Some really do find the application of arithmetic to be complicated.
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  2829.  @mickowens9839  Some are trolls, some are genuine (either wanting to be "in the know" or simply buying into any conspiracy theory going) and a few are the conmen. Unfortunately some people are gullible enough to fall for FE or at least enough to be convinced there is dispute.
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  2830. tga2848 “still waiting in the missing link” You’re behind the times. “don’t have a clue how the Pyramids were built” Three detailed possibilities. “Van Allen radiation belt” Little things like dosage and shielding.
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  2831. How many people need to do something for it to qualify as having been done? One person? All 7 billion+ people on the planet? Just you personally?
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  2832. Evan E Which doesn’t answer my question.
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  2833.  @EDECO79  If you had been the first human in space how many other people would have to go before you ceased denying you had been?
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  2834. Evan E You can do anything you like in fiction but it won’t change nature: you can only so much energy from a car’s petrol tank and it isn’t anywhere near enough to launch you into space. Apollo 11 was not the first space flight; it wasn’t even the first of the Apollo missions. Yes, I’ve read the science as did the people who surmounted those problems. You seem unable to comprehend communication is not limited to one medium.
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  2835. Evan E The grapes are sour?
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  2836.  @belgoblax1596  If he had referred to buoyant force rather than buoyancy then the FE'er brain would have stopped thinking at "buoyant force" and proclaimed it as proof that buoyancy & density are forces that make objects rise & fall rather than gravity.
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  2837.  @AK-yb4zn  It can take 20+ years of work to determine something for certain; it isn’t done overnight.
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  2838.  @AK-yb4zn  In academia almost all funding comes from governments and charities, not corporations. Results are not dictated by the funder. You’re assuming that a few scientists being pliable means all of us are.
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  2839.  @AK-yb4zn  You are arguing that there is reasonable probability conclusions are incorrect despite having been verified by multiple competing parties. That would require most if not all scientists to be corrupted.
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  2840.  @AK-yb4zn  No, I’m talking about multiple competing parties taking different approaches, independently arriving at the same conclusion with various people waving their hands and talking about corruption.
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  2841. ?
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  2842.  @TheDanceDetective  The combination of inertia from the tangential velocity of an object and the gravity from the central planet/star results in the objecg circling the planet/star. The continually falls towards the planet/star but by the time it would reach it the tangential motion means the object is off to one side. Hopefully that makes it easier to visualise.
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  2843.  @TheDanceDetective  As a combined body the Earth & moon couplet have a near constant speed around the sun.
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  2844. Dan Neumann There is no “mound of water”; curvature means an apparent decline (local topology aside) downwards from your position. Without exact positions it isn’t possible to determine the actual distance. Refraction is very important; regardless of the temperature difference there is evaporation & recondensation from water resulting in higher humidity above the water surface resulting in a much higher refraction across water. Check out the curve calculators on Walter Bislin’s website or the Metabunk calculator.
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  2845. Dan Neumann Rotate your diagram so the observer is at the top of the diagram; that is what you are seeing. There’s nothing controversial about refraction, just the necessity to understand what causes refraction and calculate how much is occurring in that particular circumstance. A sniper aims across a few miles, not the 20+ you’re talking about, and generally over land so there is too little refraction to be significant. With laser aimed missiles on the long distance activity, the lasers are mounted in naval aircraft not ships. When making low elevation measurements across water you can’t ignore refraction simply because it isn’t a significant factor in other circumstances. Both calculators run you through the factors for calculating how far you can see, Bislin’s going into great depth.
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  2846.  @danneumann3274  I may seem pedantic but we get people who, with a diagram aligned like yours, demand an explanation for why they can't see the Earth curving up in front of them.
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  2847.  @flizzyw844  Airlines are businesses; they have flights that reflect passenger demand. Too few passengers to be economically viable means no flight. Indirect flights are possible because the individual flights reflect demand for travel between the individual locations. People travelling from A to Z are frog hopping a series of shorter, more profitable flights.
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  2848. Scale in pictures from orbit. Satellites are typically several feet long, the next satellite can be a 1000 miles away and they’re photographing a planet 7,800 miles wide.
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  2849.  @beatsbybood  Prof Dave couldn’t get Weiss’s reasoning out of him.
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  2850. composerdoh Check Prof Dave’s earliest videos on the subject.
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  2851. Ask them for the unedited version :-)
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  2852.  @mdew24 Your comment wasn’t removed; YT systems can’t compile the comments fast enough abd some are essentially invisible to some people.
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  2853. The great majority of humans live in the northern hemisphere; the FE’ers who are willing to look up for long enough thus observe stars rotating around Polaris.
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  2854. It wouldn’t; the centre of mass would be somewhere below the north pole or wherever the centre of whichever map they are using.
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  2855. Assuming it was possible for the Earth to remain as a disc, attraction is towards the centre which would result in the angle of down becoming increasingly oblique with distance from the centre of the plain to the edge.
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  2856. Jay Val The rocket didn’t stop instantly.
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  2857.  @mrslickcornerhousemusic6169  Answer his question or are you just another "informed" FE who can't explain anything?
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  2858. Followed by further posts claiming to have met the challenges....
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  2859. wABEK Gravity is not an irresistible force.
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  2860.  @williambarringer6513 Youve forgotten to consider the height of the mountain itself.
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  2861.  @rayopeongo  He overlooks the plane’s’ altitudes?
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  2862. Patricia Dennis We ask because people tend not to think in numbers and assuming it would be automatically obvious to the eye. The Earth is closer to a perfect sphere than a pool ball.
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  2863. Patricia Dennis The Apollo photos don’t show a nice round image because the lunar trajectories did not take them fully on the sunward side of the planet. I don’t recall being told at any time that the moon could not be seen during the day.
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  2864. No way to know who’s genuine in their incredulity on YouTube. However some people don’t think beyond the inferred notion that gravity is irresistible; no further consideration is given to how birds fly or we stand upright.
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  2865. How accurate is the levelling and how you propose to take beam dispersion and atmospheric refraction into account?
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  2866.  @tjjones621  If he does nothing to deal with the confounding factors then what is the point?
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  2867.  @tjjones621  We’re coming at it from different directions; I check methodology before trying to reproduce anything.
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  2868. Petroleumalley No, a penguin.
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  2869. Anadaere A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2870. Gravity requires mass. Where would the gravity come from to pull water off a spherical Earth?
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  2871.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  So how does the Cavendish experiment work?
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  2872.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  And yet it does…
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  2873.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  Yes. For what reason do you think it doesn’t work? What supplies the attractive force?
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  2874.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  You’re contradicting yourself.
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  2875.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  "Gravity, as we all know, is the force that pulls objects downward" "So how does the Cavendish experiment work?" "it doesn’t" "For what reason do you think it doesn’t work? What supplies the attractive force?" "gravity does"
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  2876.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  So what causes the sideways attraction on the Cavendish experiment?
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  2877.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  Lead balls are made with with magnets inside just in case anybody should use them in reproducing the Cavendish experiment? How do they always match so well for mass & distance and why is the magnetism undetectable except when the experiment is underway?
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  2878.  @realmechanicalengineer5792  I have and you haven’t.
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  2879.  @taniaperez3230  https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ It's not difficult to confirm and Flat Earth relies on wilful ignorance on the part of some people, e.g., refusing to read and think about whole paragraphs in NASA documents.
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  2880.  @taniaperez3230  You're confusing scepticism with cynicism and appear to assume espousing a different opinion makes you a critical thinker. Taking what you hear with a pinch of salt is sensible, dismissing everything as lies is not.
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  2881. Janice L Nobody’s bothering to answer everything because you’re a troll and/or (given the questions) too dumb to understand the answers.
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  2882. Moon Howling What do you find unreasonable about the globe model?
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  2883.  @spadesandaces4543  If you wish to communicate an idea clearly then you need use punctuation not rely on the willingness of other people to decipher what you have written. I can analyse bad text far better than most but it still takes longer to do so than you adding a fee extra key strokes.
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  2884.  @spadesandaces4543  The top percentile doesn't fall in the average range.
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  2885. Troy Wright These day’s it’s just convention, like putting north at the top of the map. It helps if everyone is working from the same page.
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  2886. The Bible doesn’t give any model for the shape of the Earth. It was a common assumption at the time the OT was written that the Earth was flat and that is reflected in some phrasing; that is the root of the erroneous claim that the Bible says the Earth is flat.
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  2887.  @mysteryGuySaysHi  How?
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  2888.  @revelation9073 How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself? Why can’t water gradually over a large distance? Why does water in a weightless environment form a sphere?
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  2889. I'm asking you questions since you are one of the people who claims to have the answers figured. Are you going to answer?  @revelation9073 
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  2890. DigitallyAnalogous You’re arguing that the inability of FE’ers to produce a working model is evidence they are right?
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  2891. Done millenia ago. Still waiting on FE’ers to disprove it rather than just deny it.
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  2892. Francois Beauregard That the Earth was a sphere was determined by the Greek philosophers around 500BC. The Vatican has always accepted that; their beef at the time was with the notion of a heliocentric universe rather than geocentric one.
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  2893.  @Mrmusha53  Why do I need to personally witness every measurement made for the measurement to be valid?
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  2894. You’ve watched one video that pipped into your suggested list; some of us have been interacting with FE’ers for a few years. They are Thinkers rather than thinkers; they have a lot to say about deeply they’ve cogitated on the subject (and can be quite derogatory with it) but there’s precious little thought goes on. Whatever they come up with is readily disprovable (frequently from observation alone) but they are convinced that espousing something different makes them right. This video is a little late in the day and challenges them to produce the answers that they aggressively insist that they possess.
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  2895.  @krzysztofneubauer2390  You underestimate their insistence on it being small & close.
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  2896. 😊
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  2897.  @Defy5  It’s indicative of how far the Thinkers actually think things through.
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  2898. They all rotate east to west in the same way a clock’s hands move through ascending numbers. The clockhands move clockwise when viewed from the front but apparently anticlockwise if viewed from behind. Similarly the stars’ rotation apparently varies depending on whether you are looking northwards or southwards.
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  2899.  @TyroneFarley-ki6fn  You realise that from the back the clock’s hands move right to left at the top?
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  2900. In what way? He didn’t go high enough to see a curved horizon.
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  2901.  @whidbeyhiker  It had quite an impact.
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  2902. Shane Sommer There’s nothing to indicate your moniker is your genuine name so why should I assume that it is?
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  2903. Shane Sommer It’s just gotta be your real name simply because you said it is?
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  2904.  @shanesommer  So you say.
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  2905. Good luck getting one.
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  2906. trailbossdan1 No way to be sure; it’s a routine question/claim from people with no grasp of scale.
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  2907.  @melsop54  They have a very simplistic grasp of cause & effect; since sunlight is direct it can’t also be reflected presumably because it would require the light to be shining in two directions at once. They associate reflection with a mirror so only mirrors can reflect. Where they can accept objects reflect light they assume the objects have mirror-like surfaces: smooth and non-dispersive. There’s very little in the way of thought processes; it’s a matter of working out what they aren’t thinking about.
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  2908. Watch the FE videos that he’s subsequently made.
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  2909. Is Mumbai jumbo the elephant in the room?
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  2910.  @aihuazeng7747  Or not and. The definition points out different meanings according to the context. Look up “dictionary definition of scientific theory”. Most dictionaries (including the above) fail to note that scientific theories are evidence-based and have been found to be reliable.
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  2911.  @Bnslamb  Its possible that YT is removing links to anything it views as misinformation even if it is their own site.
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  2912. Mario Hernandez In the context used “all the time” means it’s recurring not that its continually occurring.
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  2913.  @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  I don't know if English isn't your first language but I just explained what "all the time" means in this context, ie, not the literal meaning of a continuous stream of people but referring to repeated events.
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  2914. ​ @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  That's just colloquial language; the intended meaning can be obvious to native speakers but sound absurd in someone used to formal speech. I think it's like climbing Everest; relatively few people do it but enough that there's nothing special about compiling a list of such people.
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  2915. If you're trying to calculate how far you can see then you need a calculator that uses the correct equations and takes into account the observer elevation & atmospheric refraction. Leaving a factor out of the calculators will not magically nullify the effect of said factor.
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  2916. The Earth is a globe not a cylinder. The angle of the sun's motion as it approaches the horizon will vary with latitude. At equatorial latitudes the sun will move near vertically which I think is what you are visualising.
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  2917. sonydogman You’re 30 years behind. Try to catch up.
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  2918.  @UnconventionalReasoning  Downwards rather than outwards; you would always be aligned to the centre of gravity. FE’ees claim they have Real Science all figured; that they can’t understand what you’re saying much less answer indicates they haven’t.
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  2919.  @jquest99  Centre of gravity or centre of the object?
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  2920.  @jquest99  That would move the COG away from the physical centre but why would it lead to a vector that isn't in alignment with the COG?
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  2921.  @UnconventionalReasoning  In which can there would be substantial charge and there would "zero g" inside a Faraday cage,
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  2922.  @GuardianSoulkeeper  Sometimes links appear in comments, sometimes they don't with no apparent rhyme or reason.
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  2923. No big teeth and beady eyes?
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  2924.  @dervillager8038  Humour but relevant.
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  2925. How many degrees curvature do you think would need to be included in each rail section?
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  2926. I gather up to about 50 shots though some vaccines require multiple shots. You had fewer due to where you live and fewer vaccines being available at that age.
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  2927.  @itshanhan1  Covid started in China; disease spreads. After decades of control polio, mumps & measles are all increasing through a combination of immigration and vaccinations not being administered.
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  2928. There are people who can't make the association between wings & flight.
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  2929. ​ @dadablk  The nearest star is 4 light years away, most of the visible stars falling into 100's to 1000's light years away while moving in the same direction of the sun with the rotation of the galaxy. The further away something is, the smaller the rate of change in viewing angle from its motion. The stars changing place from year to year is detectable with instruments but not apparent to the naked eye (few exceptions). The "wobble" on the Earth's axis means the exact position of celestial poles changes over the centuries. The stars' positions are broadly similar to what they were 2000 years ago (other than the shift in celestial pole) the differences being apparent with time. "You helped create the universe so you know exactly how it all works" Aren't you asking people for explanations on how it works?
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  2930.  @pooldogbear7660  One More Orbit, Mike Horn, PanAm Flight 50 in 1977 & TAG Transpolar08 flight in 2009 are all circumnavigations.
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  2931. Nim Chimpsky The eye detects the light that reaches it; it does not have a maximum range. Meniscus, raindrops & waterfalls all have curved water. What do you think determines the top & bottom of Earth?
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  2932. Buck Rogers Both fossil & encasing rock would be radio-dated. You’re confused with what was done prior to radio-dating; the older the rock, the less developed the fossilised creatures.
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  2933. Earth is flat,if not show me earth from moon There are several direct flights between South America, Africa & Australia daily. Companies provide flights according to demand for any particular route; there is heavier demand for flights to & from Europe than between the southern continents so indirect flights via Europe are economically feasible.
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  2934. Only the in vitro effect on spermatazoa. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7727890/
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  2935.  @subhrapratimsharma2825  If you aren’t prepare to back your assertions then don’t make them. If you want us to “deal with it” then you need to produce the evidence.
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  2936. chari Muvilla Not when the moon is 239,000 miles away; the difference would be a small fraction of 1 degree.
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  2937. I don’t know if it will work but (on a phone) go to Library, call up the History list and delete these videos.
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  2938.  @hymeringfamily9711  That’s a long line if ifs.
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  2939.  @SecularSlayer1984  They keep asserting to have thought it all through and have a depth of understanding unplumbed by millennia of research. Producing a map ought to be a cinch.
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  2940.  @SecularSlayer1984  As far as I can see their thinking stops at the first plausible-sounding possibility and anything subsequent to that is interpreted or dismissed to support their initial conclusion. Faced with the necessity of there having been a colossal amount of idiocy not to notice that the Earth is really flat they feel superior to everyone else. This is the fourth video Prof Dave made in the subject, the first being an educational video covering how we know the Earth is a sphere. The third covered the common misconceptions of FE’ers and he was still receiving the same responses. This one is sarcasm.
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  2941.  @Npfifyfour_  He’s just surprised to hear that FE’ers exist and that they can be found in 1st world countries.
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  2942.  @indigoeye3874  I think he misread or misunderstood your OP to mean 1st works countries commonly believe the Earth to be flat.
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  2943.  @oscarmudd6579  How would the elites know?
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  2944.  @oscarmudd6579  And so?
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  2945.  @oscarmudd6579  None of which answers my questions.
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  2946.  @jackevans7665  Disproving FE is a side interest. Look at his playlists.
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  2947. 4. To fool you, ie., no reason, it's an end in itself.
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  2948. bustonio Exactly what?
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  2949. They have no sense of scale and visualise a circumference of about 25 miles hence the demand for pictures of leaning buildings. I ask them to calculated degrees curvature per mile on a 25,000 mile circumference and they can’t seem to figure it out.
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  2950. To be fair the ballot paper was a choice of who do you want the least.
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  2951.  @joshkar24  Gain of function has several meanings; in this context it refers to culturing viruses in cells they wouldn’t normally infect. It doesn’t alter the virulence. Nobody has said that the Chinese authorities were open & timely; they obviously weren’t. It has been said that their (final) implementation of a lockdown was rapid & thorough as would be expected from an authoritarian system. Virus escapes are rare.
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  2952. It just gotta exist; what more evidence could you possibly want? 😊
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  2953. Lattrodon The focal point of Earth’s gravity is the centre of Earth. How do you think that would pull Earth to a flattened disc?
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  2954.  Chris Groves  I assume he means 6 destroyers & 13 frigates. There are other ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy
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  2955.  @je4a301  How would playing around with everybody's minds and manipulating objects be achievable without any economic outlay? How would it run perfectly throughout recorded history? What would be the purpose of a FE conspiracy when nobody has any evidence that the Earth is flat or that there is an alien or godly conspiracy?
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  2956.  @je4a301  1. Which still requires economic outlay, ie., time & resources. 2. It would be running throughout recorded history - that means thousands of years of observations and thousands of years in which flaws would inevitably occur. 3. You're into the philosophical argument about simulated universes rather than the scientific argument of observation & deduction.
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  2957.  @JWJBS  What motivates you to believe in something that is repeatedly and thoroughly debunked?
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  2958. The conmen make money rather being directly paid; sales of books & videos, revenue from YT videos with high viewing/subscriber numbers and so on.
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  2959.  @MsChristicain  Mition if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude - you can check all that first hand.
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  2960. The FE comments in his previous video were “proving” the Earth is flat by repeating the claims he had just shown them to be logically fallacious.
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  2961.  @Alan-nq5xg  It was never included when the Bible was first compiled.
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  2962.  @toprocks3612  So by seek and ye shall find you actually mean people should just unquestioningly believe.
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  2963.  @smokalot2474  Funny thing is, nobody can ever say what thus law of density is….
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  2964.  @miklo5755  "Why are we the most advanced?" A combination of thumbs and brains plus evolutionary pressure from a changing environment. Intelligence is unusual but not unique to humans, eg, chimps and dolphins. "And to have an argument you need to know about dna" Other than traces of Neanderthal from cross-breeding, there's no indication of inserted genes.
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  2965. ​ @miklo5755  Evolution does not change features sequentially. There was a branch of mammals that had developed opposable digits for climbing; when rudimentary intelligence enabled the use of tools (even as simple as twigs) then the two thumbs were more use than grasping something in the teeth. From there, brains & thumbs would gradually alter in tandem. Throw in the change in environment where tools became more useful than climbing there is evolutionary pressure on both hands & brains to become adept at using tools. There is evidence that some species are capable of abstract reasoning which would be the basis of intelligence. Nobody is saying that another species matches out level of intelligence, but intelligence is not limited to humans.
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  2966.  @miklo5755  Anything more than rudimentary is above rudimentary.
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  2967.  @miklo5755  It doesn't matter how advanced the intelligence is, if it more than rudimentary then it will be "some levels above rudimentary intelligence". That is the answer to the question that you asked.
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  2968.  @miklo5755  What makes it impossible for an ape? Just the contrast with other existing apes?
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  2969.  @miklo5755  Darwin was the first to propose evolution; he was not the only person then or since to work on evolution. On The Origin of Species was the seminal work, not the definitive textbook. Evolutionary pressure is against intelligence; fight or flight is going to be more effective than pondering on a defensive strategy. One of our ancestors was in a niche where coordinated strategy was advantageous.
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  2970.  @miklo5755  When instinct tells you to run any pause for thought means you’re lunch.
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  2971. BlackDoom's Opinion Your unqualified opinion. If you want evidence then look here (https://arxiv.org) not Youtube.
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  2972. BlackDoom's Opinion It’s easy to diagnose the source of your idea because Tesla never released anything to substantiate his claim of having an alternative theory.
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  2973. BlackDoom's Opinion Tesla gave nothing beyond a title. He gave no details whatsoever in any form. If he gave no details then there are no details of Tesla’s to read. Anybody can stick Tesla’s name on their own idea. Do you need it spelt out more clearly?
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  2974.  @jmobbinfoo4838 Some data can be derived from geological & biological sources; we’re not limited to direct recordings.
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  2975.  @gratitudealways9836  Nobody disputes lack of variation in elevation; FE'ers insist there is no curvature.
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  2976.  @gratitudealways9836  FE’ers haven’t been forthcoming; they don’t seem to have thought it out that far.
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  2977. Why do you think we have labs?
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  2978.  @gulftreestudios7285  You can't understand that 24 hrs and 28 days are not the same time period?
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  2979. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerodynamics
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  2980. Elias Josephsson Which is why a theory is demonstrating beyond reasonable doubt, not absolute proof. That you can never absolutely prove a theory does not nullify the research that demonstrates its accuracy beyond reasonable doubt; it does not render it a hypothesis.
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  2981.  @eliasjosephsson3994  You do understand that hypotheses get tested?
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  2982.  @eliasjosephsson3994  3:54 He's using theory in the vernacular sense, not the scientific. You're positing a false dichotomy of guess or proven; a hypothesis can be described as an educated guess (as Feynman says) but a scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation thar has been tested every which way and is consistent with extensively gathered evidence. That you can't prove something absolutely does not mean conclusions such as scientific theories are doubtful.
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  2983. Whether it is a force or an apparent force is immaterial: either way it exists.
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  2984. Kevin Dillard Given a 25,000 mile circumference, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to be observable?
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  2985. China is as authoritarian as western folks think their governments are.
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  2986. Like everything else - it “just does” 😊
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  2987.  @longgone6312  It takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine, not test it. With Covid vaccines they adapted existing formulations from similar viruses and ran the necessary tests in parallel rather than sequentially.
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  2988.  @TiLonGonn  I’m not sure FE’ers have the investigative abilities to find it.
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  2989. Why do I hear the Hallelujah Chorus when someone mentions Tesla?
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  2990. To be exact the poison was dissolved in the Flav-R-Aid 😊I think it’s a matter of Kool-Aid having a better ring to it when telling the story.
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  2991. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Rotation requires the use of quality gyroscopes.
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  2992.  @dastaube1700  He's already provided evidence in earlier videos. FE'er response was quoting their "evidence". Video explaining why their claims are inherently incorrect. FE'ers response of abuse, repeating the claims he just disproved and claiming there is other evidence that they mysteriously can't provide. Another video posing challenges they ought to be able to easily meet (like producing the map they claim to possess). FE'er response was more abuse, repeating the earlier debunked claims, claiming they have other evidence and zero attempts at actually meeting any of the challenges. So finally onto this video....
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  2993.  @morgoth173  One told me that; he couldn't explain why people didn't fall out of the flaming pools.
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  2994. If the Earth was flat then they ought to be able to see shorter but still long distances at low elevation and not be limited by a horizon. That's what needs to be demonstrated.
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  2995. Social pejorative and it refers to denialism.
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  2996. As in surface of a perfect sphere. Say sea level to these people and they can’t think beyond flat.
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  2997. 🍸
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  2998. Dedication.
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  2999.  @milectarx6561  The moon rotates but the rotational period is the same as the orbital period so the same face is always towards us.
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  3000.  @smerbothefleeb5699  I think of the 286's 30 years ago and I wonder how fast it ran.....
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  3001. A stable orbit is a balance of the gravitational attraction between planet & moon (or star & planet) and the velocity of the moon. Essentially the gravity pulls the moon towards the planet while the moon's velocity shifts it sideways resulting in it circling the planet.
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  3002. Sherry Lobb How did it work out?
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  3003. Whether it is an actual or apparent force, the problem is satisfying FE’ers that it exists. They interpret the differentiation as meaning there is disagreement about its existence.
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  3004.  @stylesrj  Point the airlock towards Earth and fire them out?
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  3005. The magnetic field being toroidal leads to the aurora coriolis & borealis. The blue sky is simply due to refraction of the sunlight as it enters the atmosphere.
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  3006. Antibodies don’t last long; a baby is protected by the mother’s antibodies for only about six months. The original vaccine for small pox (Edward Jenner) was achieved by collecting serum, which is what you are thinking about. All later vaccines (including small pox) worked by injecting weakened or “dead” viruses into people so their bodies would raise their own antibodies and thus would retain the ability to make more if they were later infected with that virus. Their immunity could last years and thus gave better coverage. Later vaccines used only parts of the target virus; there would be no danger of a weakened virus becoming virulent again. mRNA vaccines by briefly enabling the body to produce little bits of a virus in sufficient quantities to trigger an immune reaction. mRNA cant enter the nucleus to affect the DNA and is short -lived within the cell.
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  3007. TheMathjordil This is the fourth video he’s made on the subject. FE’ers have gone overboard to express their idiocy in the comments and we are still awaiting any capable of answering any of these challenges.
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  3008.  @zichenghan7585  A scientific law is a mathematical description of the relationship between certain factors; a scientific theory is why that relationship exists. Gravity is both a law and a theory. The vernacular meaning of theory is a guess; quite different from a comprehensive explanation backed by evidence.
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  3009.  @Robloxgamer881  How does the FE sun rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  3010.  @emerchicken  Now answer my question. Reconcile it with what you just said.
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  3011. There’s geometric drop ehoch is dependent solely on curvature, hidden drop which depends on curvature & elevation and tefracted hidden drop which is determined by a combination of curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction. It depends on which is relevant to your purpose.
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  3012. “Never been vaxxed and never had covid” So?
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  3013.  @NapaCat  See “The Science News Cycle”
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  3014.  @leithx7595  You realise that simulations & models will yield testable predictions?
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  3015.  @stephanhaak50  "That also fits better with the visible dimensions." What visible dimensions are you referring to? How big it appears to you?
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  3016.  @aanobikdutta4444  Will that change the shape of the planet?
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  3017.  @aanobikdutta4444  The ancient Greeks deduced the shape of the Earth 2500 years ago from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows. ANybody can verify those things if they wish. Still waiting on FE'er explanations for all those, still waiting on their explanations for how the mysterious They are manipulating those details and still waiting on their explanation for how NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks. "Need something new." Again - will that change the shape of the planet?
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  3018.  @aanobikdutta4444  It will continue moving in a straight line unless acted upon.
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  3019. They used to think of moved upwards at a constant velocity. It eventually dawned on them it would have to be accelerating and would require reaching impossible speeds very quickly. Now they argue things spontaneously fall for no apparent reason.
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  3020. The conspiracy theory was that the virus has been deliberately created then accidentally or deliberately released. In the absence of an locatable animal source then accidental release of a collected virus becomes plausible. SARS-CoV-2 would not be in the published paperwork because it didn't yet exist. In this context gain of function means the ability to jump species. It can be done in a lab by selecting strains that are more likely to interact with a cell-type or animal that is considerably easier to maintain, e.g., mice. You wouldn't want to create one that was transmissible to humans. The aim was to determine how jumping species happens in the wild.
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  3021. Declared brain-dead 2500 years ago. It was disinterred mid-19th century when Rowbotham went on a religious anti-science bender.
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  3022. It’s aimed at those people looking down the rabbit-hole rather than those who have leapt down it.
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  3023. Example?
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  3024.  @rayopeongo  How do the sycophants manage money when they can’t understand what zeros on the end mean?
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  3025. JD The OT books were written nearer 3000 years ago, well predating the Greek philosophers and hence reflecting what was generally believed then.
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  3026. The only reply I've had to that question is "they (unspecified) like fooling people".
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  3027. "western medicine masks symptoms" There's curative medicine and there's palliative medicine. The existence of the latter does not preclude the existence of the former. Curative medicine treat the underlying cause, the symptoms do indeed disappear as the cause it removed; that the symptoms disappear does not mean it is a palliative medicine. Most of what you are advocating relies on the placebo effect.
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  3028.  @jefferylittleton1005  Minimise, not eliminate; as long as there is glucose in your bloodstream the cancer cells can make use of it. Kids are growing; their capacity for metabolising is fat is greater than fully grown adults. That does not mean adults can't metabolise fat or there is anything inefficient about their fat metabolism; they simply have less capacity than kids and it will get stored. It's why juvenile medicine is a speciality and drugs have to be developed specifically for use in kids.
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  3029.  @jefferylittleton1005  Homeostasis means you have a constant 5mM glucose in your bloodstream; your body actively works to maintain that concentration. Any higher and insulin will increase cell uptake, any lower provokes the release or synthesis of replacement glucose. 70% of your calories assuming that your calorific intake is kept to a set limit. Kids need more than adults. An adult trying to pursue a kid's diet will gain weight through fat accumulation. Insulin has a number of functions; the main one is inducing glucose uptake.
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  3030. Jeffery Littleton Homeostasis is the ability of the body to maintain a “default” condition. You can increase or decrease you glucose intake, lipid intake or insulin sensitivity and the body will work to maintain, inter alia, 5mM blood glucose. Whether that knew from your diet or lipolysis is irrelevant, it will try to maintain 5mM glucose. There are insulin-insensitive cell types whose glucose uptake is dependent on the glucose concentration. Too little or too much glucose and the cells suffer; diabetics start behaving irrationally with hypo & hyperglycaemia for that reason. Multiple hormones regulate lipolysis, insulin included; its main role is still dealing with blood glucose. Congratulations on your diet but losing weight does not make you an expert in physiology. It’s a bloody complex system and is not controlled by a few key agents.
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  3031.  @ContraPsy  For high orbit satellites composite refers to photos taken at different wavelength being overlaid to produce a true-colour image rather than 3 or 4 monochromatic ones. Since different cameras have used varying wavelengths over the decades the true-colour ones appear to differ.
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  3032. @Gucci Pane motion of the sun & horizons.
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  3033. @Gucci Pane It rises, it sets, it maintains a constant angular velocity, the folks eastwards see the rising & setting earlier and the folks westwards see it rise & set later. What shape do you think the planet could be?
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  3034. @Gucci Pane "a ball of light revolving around his non moving flat plane," Which predicts a variable angular velocity & diameter and 24hrs daylight since the sun wouldn't rise & set since it would not come within 10-20 degrees of the horizon. You need to reconcile that with the observed constant angular diameter & velocity, it's observed rising & setting and night. "no one would ever guess that the earth is spherical just by observation, or else some of the great ancient civilizations would have easily realized it to be spherical." The ancient Greeks figured it out from the motion of the sun, horizons, stars visibility & angle changing with latitude and eclipses. "so just by observation how would that person realize that the sun doesn't move? He wouldn't..: Not until telescopes are invented.
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  3035. ​@Gucci Pane You asked how we could determine the shape of the Earth without study; what I described requires observation and thought. The terms I used are scientific but you don't need to know them simply to observe and think. The FE sun would appear to move very quickly around noon and pretty much and in the sky early morning & late evening; it would never come near the horizon (which wouldn't exist on a FE anyway) and you wouldn't need to know a precise angle to see that. When this is apparently true of everyone regardless of their location then spherical is the logical conclusion. That (along with stars) is how the ancient Greeks deduced the shape two millenia before science appeared. "so just by observation how would that person realize that the sun doesn't move? He wouldn't.." You didn't ask about determining whether the sun or earth was moving. The Ptolemaic geocentric system was assumed correct for 1500 years; only with telescopes & maths was it deduced Earth was a planet in a solar system.
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  3036. What compelling FE evidence? They keep saying they have it but none produce it.
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  3037.  @_Fruity  It is the kind of statement that FE'ers make since their only concept of numbers is "nothing" and "huge".
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  3038. You didn’t turn into a superhero?
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  3039. Did you not see his original video about the shape of the Earth in his astronomy section?
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  3040. Science papers require method and results to be fully documented. Look up arxiv and PubMed.
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  3041. 🥃
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  3042. JungleMom 12 You would have little replicating umbra & penumbra at 93”. How small a scale do you want to work with? Both the moon & Earth are in motion, not just the moon.
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  3043. Invite him during your summer and see if he can explain why the days are longer than winter days rather than shorter.
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  3044. They profess to be able to do all.
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  3045. You're flat in a photo therefore....
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  3046.  @Azoria4  The question has been asked many times before and always leads to assertions that gravity doesn’t exist. Few people ask such questions without assuming that they have spotted something that overthrows physics as we know it.
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  3047. Hoods & gowns worn by students & graduates originate from the Church's influence in early universities; they in turn had adopted clerical dress from pre-existing religions like druids.
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  3048. Take a look at his other video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o
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  3049. The train can be readily observed to be moving.
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  3050.  @FutureWorldX How did they reconcile the stars being different?
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  3051.  @FutureWorldX  I’m curious about the FE’er rationale for the stars being different to what they claim. Usually it’s FE’ers in the northern hemisphere bellyaching normal people are failing to see the stars correctly; are Brazilian FE’ers just refusing to look or insisting it’s their stars everywhere?
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  3052. Very hard. I’ve had prolonged conversations with some FE’ers that went nowhere because they don’t see a problem with gaps & contradictions.
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  3053. Reading, writing and online meetings. Frustrating when you normally spend most of your time at the bench.
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  3054. They don't have theories in the scientific sense, just readily disprovable claim for individual effects that are contradictory to other observations. "the US has exceptionally gifted scientists" A good proportion of us being immigrants.
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  3055. 37rainman How far you see depends on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction but FE’er brains usually can’t think beyond one variable at a time; they stick with the 8” rule.
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  3056. If somebody calls themselves critical theorist then it’s unlikely they practice critical thinking; much of their “insight” is simply “I don’t see how...” with little comprehension of how much other people know. Science is dependent on reproducible evidence; everything has to be backed by experimentation and/or observation. Scientism is where somebody simply treats the word “science” as a hallowed label to justify what they are claiming. The great majority of people using the term scientism have no comprehension that science is evidence-based.
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  3057. C S P There’s ignorant and there’s wilfully ignorant. The people making the claims have had all those assertions disproved repeatedly and all questions answered but continue to repeat them. The same people ask the same questions over and over, receive consistent comprehensive answers and are still convinced they aren’t getting answers. You’d be testy with them.
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  3058. Jake Johnson What about 52 live penguins?
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  3059.  happy muttonchop  The Doctor.
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  3060. You duplicated 1 & 6. The Japanese attack was launched from a fleet that sailed from Japan though that doesn’t answer where all the fuel came from.
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  3061.  @k.a.o1222 FE’ers agree on two things: the Earth is flat and they’re agreed upon the details. They aren’t in agreement what the agreed upon details are; refuting a point frequently requires finding out what details each believes the agreed upon details are.
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  3062. Asad Khan Religious for some, anti-establishment for others and a few making money out of both. We’re still waiting on any proof.
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  3063.  @AsadKhan-ei1ez  As in waiting for their proof that the Earth is flat; they simply refuse to acknowledge proof that the Earth is a globe and would probably still do so if taken into space. "How come they are able to tell us about what molecules are present in the the objects billions of miles away" Spectroscopy; how different molecules affect the light that comes from that direction. It's essentially the same principles as spectrophotometers used in labs.
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  3064.  @bernie9728  Reread what I wrote.
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  3065.  @ericb3157  Jericho has waxed & waned numerous times; there are archaelogical remains of the various periods.
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  3066. Religious teachings can be studied regardless of where they came from 😊
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  3067. I don’t think Terry Pratchett ever suggested an explanation 😊
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  3068. Look up "The tangled history of mRNA vaccines" in Nature journal. This article runs through the hurdles that had to be jumped before a vaccine become practically feasible.
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  3069.  @Nyrufa  The FE light both does & doesn’t reach that distance depending on which they do or don’t want it to.
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  3070. Nothing would ever need repairing; if you want to believe it works then it will....
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  3071. Patch Depends on the altitude of the FE sun and the position of the observer relative to its circle.
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  3072. You need to check the videos earlier in the series. By this point they’re usually pitching insults and those that do start arguing frequently delete their comments once they realise they can’t answer.
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  3073. Obviously sarcasm - you were too specific about who They were. 😊
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  3074. The Jannko That would be a “downward” force that coincidentally changes direction to match the Earth’s centre?
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  3075. Still waiting on an answer as to how they pass through an impenetrable dome.
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  3076. Several claimed they can easily debunk it but zero have actually tried it.
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  3077. RationalSkeptic22 One actually tried a few days ago, made a complete balls-up of it and deleted the thread.
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  3078. I suggest you check that you haven't been banned. Logout of your Youtube and see if your question is still visible.
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  3079. Mostly native-born Americans. You are aware that many of us are in the US making up the shortfall in scientists?
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  3080. Pop, pop, problem solved....
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  3081. Esdras Nunez Just curious as to what the full story is 😊
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  3082.  @dionysusmccvi  He was quite specific how little the oblation was. You find numbers confusing?
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  3083. It predicted the likelihood of an eclipse but not an exact day, where it would occur or whether it would occur at all.
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  3084. 500mph relative to the Earth.
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  3085. "What is the point of this supposed deception" So far: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall & impenetrable dome. 4. To establish total mind control.
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  3086.  pogviuemper  That’s how your eyes work - detecting light. A FE claim is that your eyes are limited to a maximum distance for reasons they never give.
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  3087. ​@Ath Reflectivity =/= reflection of an image. Reflectivity is the property of matter to reflect individual photons that interact with it. The greater the reflectivity, the greater the chance an individual photon will be reflected rather than absorbed. Some wavelengths are preferentially absorbed, altering the balance of wavelengths in the reflected light. All objects will reflect light to some degree; the more light they reflect then the brighter they appear; the wavelengths they preferentially reflect determine what colours we perceive it to possess. The direction of reflection is dependent on the angle of the surface at the specific point where an individual photon strikes an object. The angle of reflectivity at a specific point is independent to the angle at other points. Unless a surface is unusually smooth then the angle of the surface will vary from point to point. Photons travelling in parallel will not be automatically reflected at the same angle; the angle of reflection is dependent on the angle of the surface at the point each strikes at. Dispersion is when multiple photons travelling in parallel are reflected at multiple different angles due to the lack of uniformity of the object's surface. A photon can be reflected multiple times; each time it encounters a surface is an independent event. Do you understand all that?
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  3088. @Ath You mean it's yet another video of declaring the horizon to be closer than it actually is and zooming in on ships that have yet to reach it. The request is usually that FE'ers try to bring a "half-sunk" ship fully back into view; I ask for FE'ers to zoom the set sun back into view. We are still waiting for you to do what you keep claiming is simple. In other words, you didn't understand what I wrote about reflectivity. Go back, read it slowly, line by line, and try thinking. I realise you won't be able to understand this but Tycho crater has a higher reflectivity index than the surrounding lunar landscape. You can't see Tycho crater directly; you can see the dispersed light reflected from it in contrast to the darker lunar background. You don't know how studio lighting works, do you?
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  3089. @Ath Again, you make it obvious that you didn’t understand what I wrote about reflectivity. If somebody used a hand mirror to flash an SOS would you ignore the SOS on the grounds that you couldn’t see the mirror?
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  3090. @Ath It’s evident from what you just wrote that the video is just more of the same and satisfies only the gullible. How would perspective explain everything when NONE of you can explain HOW perspective would make anything disappear from the bottom up in direct contradiction to the principal of perspective? Why do you think “just does” is an adequate explanation?
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  3091. @Ath What makes you think the moon is a disc?
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  3092. J Daniels Dead Sea Scrolls. Has anybody ever seen your brain?
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  3093.  @KangenAlec  have you heard of seismology?
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  3094. You mean everything falling down at the same rate regardless of air resistance, i.e., no buoyancy? They would unless the air is also moving upwards; presumably they would argue that the FE accelerating upwards is creating the upwards air motion but they would need to explain why only air is affected or why there isn't a pressure difference close to the ground.
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  3095.  @kalaiamudhan3394  If he had said buoyant force rather than buoyancy then FE’ers would have concluded that he was agreeing density was a force.
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  3096. He was the guy who wanted structure and epidemiology in one paper knowing that most people wouldn’t realise that they would be covered by different groups?
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  3097. Missouri Bear Why would a vacuum stop a satellite operating? How would balloons maintain a constant motion in the atmosphere for years?
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  3098.  @Learnguitartoday  Asking you how you think it could work is pseudoscience? You sound like a FE'er.
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  3099. I’ve had several long discourses with FE’ers; their reasoning is very intuitive & superficial, they don’t think through on what their claims predict about readily observable reality, they are very dismissive of evidence, being different from the “official narrative” is their main yardstick for an idea’s validity, they din’t see any problem with intuitive jumps and they rapidly forget what they’ve been told leaving you answering the same question multiple times. They can get very condescending and even abusive (some have nothing but insults) but they can’t actually produce the Real Map, Real Model, Real Evidence or explain the Real Physics etc
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  3100. Explain how you think people 20,000 miles apart would see the same face of a moon 2000 miles above the surface of a FE.
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  3101. Patorick Maggiore What causes the refraction, how does the refraction have exactly the same effect regardless of atmospheric conditions and how does it work exactly the same way for everybody?
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  3102. Raging S You might want to edit your last comment: level & flat are not the same thing.
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  3103.  @earth.is.a.plane.  An orbit is the circular path one object takes around another. An orbit is not a fixed point. A circle and a fixed point are not the same thing. That an object follows an orbit does not put them in a fixed point in space. That the orbits of Venus & Mercury lie within Earth's orbit does not place them in fixed positions are mean they are permanently between the Earth & the sun. If you think a circle and fixed point are the same thing then you need to justify that assertion. https://imgur.com/a/MR9lPAl When Mercury & Venus move in a circle they can be observed at any point on that circle, not just when they transit the sun. From Earth they appear within a specific angle view, namely +/-10 degrees & +/=20 degrees if the sun respectively. See the diagram if that isn't clear. You need to explain why you think two objects with up to 20 degrees angular separation would cross the horizon simultaneously. "Nothing in nature supports you conjecture" There's these things called telescopes that we've had since the 16th century. They are not restricted to use by secret government agents or penguins; you can buy one for yourself very easily. https://www.amazon.com/Best-Sellers-Camera-Photo-Telescopes/zgbs/photo/281063 "water finds level" Explain how water does the searching , makes decisions and moves itself. "Water's surface does not bend when collected in any basin, small or large" Like a meniscus? Have you tried dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles to see how many degrees curvature you would expect to observe over each mile? "Nor is there any proof for the now disproved theory of gravity" https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 Nobody has disproved, only denied it while providing no valid alternative.
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  3104. Only if the Earth was flat, in which case you would be representing a 2D surface on a 2D surface and thus could do so without distortion. In trying to represent a 3D surface on a 2D surface some stretching is necessary; all 2D maps of the world have that fault.
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  3105.  @drfaustens4504  What makes you think there is a universal up?
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  3106. The human genome codes for about 25,000 genes and each particular cell type will draw on different combinations of genes; there is no discrete areas of the genome set aside for a particular cell types. About a third of the genome will be expressed in the brain cell types but few are specific to the brain. The sequence for each gene will vary slightly between individuals; it's the combination of variants that makes us individuals rather than clones. Few of those variants will have a detrimental effect. The existence of variants in the population means there will be better species adaption to changes in the environment. While there are hereditary diseases they are all due to a small difference in coding in one specific gene, not multiple genes or the majority of genes. There is no massive problem throughout the genome. Mutations are rare and they would have to occur in the gametocytes to be passed on to the next generation. Most mutations will lead to cell death before the gametes can be produced; those that do get passed on may be detrimental, benign or even beneficial. It's the gradual, selective accumulation of mutations that provides the variation within a species that enables the species to adapt. It's not going to cause degradation of a species in normal circumstances.
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  3107.  @lieutenantdan1413  Which is why I used the term. Human society is very protective and combined with intelligence could be detrimental in that some less desirable genetic traits become well-established, e.g., the chances of hemophiliacs having kids is much greater than a century ago. In terms of some massive degradation of the species, that is something that would take far longer than a few centuries or millenia. Diseases don't selectively kill people because of susceptible genes but how well a particular person's is able to resist the severity of that particular infection at that particular; it comes down to chance. not genes. Vaccines are not going to undermine the human genome. The psychological and environmental stresses of industrialisation & urbanisation are the main exacerbater of mental illness and some of the prevalent illnesses in the 1st world, not bad genes. In most ways, the 1st world population is healthier.
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  3108. Recombination with another virus.
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  3109. Dave Heart The dates for vaccination and autism appearing correlate; there is no correlation between who is vaccinated and who develops autism.
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  3110.  @theheart1154  Quite likely; I’m for ever asking people to provide the evidence they claim to possess. Everything carries a risk. Staying in bed is risky and getting out of it is risky. That risk is involved does not make something detrimental.
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  3111.  @theheart1154  Explain how a vaccine containing only a small part of one protein from the virus shell could possibly cause a viral infection.
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  3112.  @jeffjests2764  I know but if you tell them that they start whining about the need for personally bouncing a signal of them to confirm they are there. They never clarify whether they mean everybody in the world has to do it to confirm their existence of whether they personally are the Great Witness without whose confirmation no evidence is valid.
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  3113.  @awi9053  So your well considered opinion is that you have no brain?
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  3114. Most are going to beyond redemption but there are those who are just looking down the rabbit hole; they can be satisfied with evidence.
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  3115. ​ @jy1178  1. The flight paths are obviously curved when portrayed on a flat projection of Earth. By your reasoning they would have to be continuously banking. 2. NDT specified at the time that the deviation would not be noticeable. At the time is not someone else retrospectively. I realise that numbers are a difficult concept for FE'ers but do you understand the difference between 0.3% and 30%? 3. The closer the moon is to a FE then the greater the difference in viewing angles between well spaced people on that FE. 4. The moon orbits the Earth and each orbit takes a month; consequently it spends half its time on the sunward side of Earth. 5. There's over 200 governments on Earth and (North Korea aside), no government is regarded as the holder of truth. 6. Produce this undistorted projection. Try explaining why moving a map from between flat and curved surfaces wouldn't create any distortion. 7. What would qualify as this "confirmation from space"?
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  3116.  @gastronomist  How do you explain anything to a denialist?
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  3117.  @gastronomist  How would you convince somebody that the sun rises & sets? They’ve seen it happening all their lives abd are denying it.
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  3118.  @lak0803  Assuming the architecture to be sound, your apartment block should appear perpendicular to the Earth's surface in that locale. From space there is no up or down from which to define a "sideways" direction.
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  3119. His basis is that FE’ers can visualise either the moon orbiting Earth or the moon orbiting the sun but can’t visualise the moon orbiting the sun while orbiting Earth; it’s a step too complex for them so he knows they will automatically dismiss it.
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  3120.  @dachba213  Whose word are you taking as true fir the Bible being true?
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  3121.  @dachba213  The problem is one is double standards; the Bible accepted as true simply because it is the Bible while abundant evidence for the existence of dinosaurs is ignored because the same people think there isn’t enough evidence.
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  3122. you know You witnessed the collapse of WTC7?
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  3123.  @rayopeongo  The bionic man is still around... :-)
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  3124. Their claims may or may not add weight to the argument :-)
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  3125. Check his original educational video in his astronomy section. He received a barrage of insults & claims from FEers, this being the result.
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  3126. I wouldn’t describe it as healthy; they don’t see anything suspicious in denying observable reality. Look up Morton’s demon on Rational Wiki.
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  3127. He hasn’t stopped making them; this is just a sideline.
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  3128. Buck Rogers It didn’t fail in a court; is it really too difficult to comprehend what the case was about?
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  3129.  @dogwalker666 Seriously?
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  3130. Why does it never occur to some people that a map of a globe would be globe shaped?
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  3131. They usually tout the Gleason projection these days rather than the Mercator projection; they still haven’t produced their oft claimed FE map.
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  3132. See his earlier videos. This video is taking a shot at those who still insist they’re right even when FE errors & fallacies and how we know the Earth is a globe have been explained to them. They can’t answer questions put to them, they can’t meet any of these challenges but they still prattle on.
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  3133. FE’ers ignore the accuracy of the leveling, beam divergence and atmospheric refraction. They have go be accounted for if you wish to obtain accurate measurements. Ignoring them does not magically nullify the effects.
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  3134.  @xonerate371  Nobody yet has actually come up with anything they shouldn't be able to see. Have you not wondered why Chicago being visible at that distance is newsworthy if it is so utterly mundane?
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  3135. Gravity and magnetism are two different things.
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  3136.  @donniev8181  Area of a circle is pi*r^2: the larger the area to be monitored the more ships you would need to do the monitoring.
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  3137.  @donniev8181  The USN would not have been covering Port Arthur.
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  3138. Nasa means raise or lift (verb); nassa means to deceive (verb). People eager to know The Truth aren’t interested in correctness.
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  3139. Worse - the people who believe it are the ones who also harp on about personal observation being paramount.
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  3140. “They’re fooling you to fool you” has fallen by the wayside as has (it seems) “taking economic control of the inaccessible land beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome”. Currently favoured is “to hide God” though they don’t provide much explanation how that would work.
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  3141. Is that him telling you or you telling him?
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  3142.  @vaggs75  You realise that we pay taxes too?
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  3143.  @vaggs75  "well-educated people, with no political agenda don't seem to understand that government revenue comes from taxes" I'm quite aware that I am paying taxes and I'm quite aware of who's taking it.
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  3144.  @vaggs75  Which country are you from?
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  3145.  @pastaman1319 ​​⁠I’m using the term cognitive dissonance as originally described, not the way nutters do. I’m referring to your friend’s denial that he ever did hold FE beliefs. It’s not necessarily that he is simply denying he said such things but a genuine belief he never espoused it. It’s one way his brain could deal with cognitive dissonance from realising he was espousing BS.
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  3146.  @stylesrj Not surprising given the way the term cognitive dissonance is abused.
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  3147.  @joejosa8985  How did you identify it as the same meteor?
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  3148.  @toprocks3612  Produce a copy of the Real Antarctica Treaty.
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  3149.  @toprocks3612  Then produce the Treaty that forbids travel to Antarctica.
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  3150.  @toprocks3612  If it already exists then you should have no problems producing a copy.
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  3151. The most accurate map is the globe; the G-G map is the most accurate projection of that map b
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  3152.  @dimitrimorselli9506  You described G-G as the most accurate map that we have; I’m clarifying that it is the most accurate projection. FE’ers routinely claim that there are no accurate maps of globe because they can’t think beyond flat surfaces & projections.
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  3153.  @jackripper2329  Look up Poe’s law. Your comment is frequently made in all seriousness.
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  3154. 2:47 Depends on which FE’er you are talking to.
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  3155. Rune Thorsen Let me get this straight. You think pointing out that a particular FE map is inaccurate demonstrates that there is an accurate FE map elsewhere? That drawing a line on a FE map and calling it a scale means it would fulfil the purpose of a scale?
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  3156.  @runethorsen8423  Any clot can draw a line and label it a scale. To actually be a scale then it needs to accurately represent the distance between any two points on the map.
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  3157.  @runethorsen8423  Circumnavigation of Antarctica comes out as about 16,000 miles. Your "scale" is off.
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  3158.  @runethorsen8423  Have you seen the Taj Mahal?
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  3159. Rune Thorsen I have no good reason to doubt the existence of the TajMahal simply because I have never been to see it. I have no good reason to doubt a consistent approximate distance of 16,000 miles just because I didn’t make the measurement.
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  3160.  @ericb3157  The Thinkers do assiduously avoid thinking.
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  3161. Vaselius looked at Galen’s work, realised it was closer to the truth than the accepted wisdom but also noted errors. Dissection of corpses was disapproved of so the models of the body were derived from internal knowledge of animals applied to the human physique.
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  3162. As far as the next passenger? :-)
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  3163. Technically the magnetic north is down south.
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  3164.  @clarkmeyer7211  ​ @Clark Meyer I can't be bothered to play it through again to see what FED said, but if you're simply repeating what he said then he is just trying to confuse the issue by conflating the polarity of the field with where the magnetic poles are geographically.
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  3165.  @logosrisingbear  Try listening to what Byrd actually said: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czW0iRJuH1A And I do mean listen. There's a booming tourist trade to Antartica and an annual boat race around the continent. How do you think people manage it without going there? Starfish Prime was the AEC & the Defense Atomic Support Agency, not NASA. The lowest explosions were about 2000ft, the highest 200 miles. How high is the dome? Does it move? Operation Kingfish is a Call of Duty fan film. The Go-Fast rocket smashed into a dome without even jarring the camera? Do you want to explain your reasoning? The Earth has had billions of years in which to get all the atmosphere moving.
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  3166. Garth Henderson I’m asking for your underlying reason for asking that question.
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  3167. Scott Meyer The vacuum cleaner fan pumps air out to create the lower pressure inside.
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  3168. @Very Polite Duck PL Josh fight?
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  3169.  @freegeek2367  Which is why I asked a question.....
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  3170.  @georgegiwrgakis6359 ​​⁠What exactly is different about the motion of the Earth’s moon? It stays in orbit through gravitational attraction between Earth & moon. Simply because it is bigger than most moons does not mean it can simply swan off on its own.
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  3171. Anthony AT Sorry; I’ve made a few edits to clarify it. It’s the doublethink reasoning of FE’ers; they need a close moon to be flat so everybody sees the same features while also needing it to be a globe so it always appears circular.
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  3172. I'm currently arguing elsewhere with yet another FE'er who claims density is a force.
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  3173. As the channel owner he has a feed of all the comments being made on his videos.
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  3174.  @tacopizzasandwich621  By reading the feed. FE’ers are very repetitive so it doesn’t require much mental effort.
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  3175. The surface is 70% covered by water, not 70% of volume.
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  3176.  @doctorofskillz2932  I saw the joke but I also saw the error. Unfortunately the joke has been used a number of times before.
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  3177. Projecting a 3D surface into a 2D map creates distortion; a straight line on the first appears as an arc on the latter.
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  3178.  @dlv5  GPS uses the WGS84 -based globe map. What map do you think it uses?
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  3179.  @dlv5  You think FE’ers having a myriad of theories, none of which work, somehow means you just gotta be right?
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  3180.  @dlv5  So why is it called GPS and not GPA?
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  3181.  @thewiseold_chicken5523  Any success?
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  3182. As in sunlight warms things and moonlight cools things; no explanation ever provided as to how such light could exist. Many claim the moon is its own light source and want a way to argue that moonlight can’t be reflected sunlight.
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  3183.  @natehill8069  Chilling moonshine perhaps? 😊
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  3184. Try Rob Brotherton, Suspicious Minds.
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  3185. Most are, some are serious, a few are making money from the gullible.
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  3186. Billy Bob https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  3187.  @MuhammadAhmed-bd7li  You realise that there is more than one astronomer on Earth? That they can share the data each collects?
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  3188. It flows from a high elevation to a low elevation. Elevation is not synonymous with curvature; it is the variation in how far a surface point is from the centre of Earth.
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  3189. He’s not just any idiot; he’s one of the FE gurus who supposedly possesses all the evidence & explanations in favour of FE. The point of the debate was for him to make a fool of himself.
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  3190.  @TheBlueskyson  And demonstrates he doesn't really know about spectroscopy or how it is used. It is no limited to gases (I use it for liquids) and only requires containment in a lab to block the ambient light; observatories are set up in the darkest parts of the country to minimise light pollution. Ideally it is down from space to totally reduce ambient light and atmosphere but more practically (continually upgrading & repairing equipment) done at high altitude. He doesn't raise any aspect of the scientific theory that underlies spectroscopy. Do you want to explain how gravity works on a FE without collapsing it into a sphere? If you want to avoid what you aren't familiar with then explain how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter & velocity regardless of the observer's position, how it rises & sets without coming with 20 degrees of the horizon, how the angle to Polaris matches latitude and how there are two celestial poles. FE'ers keep telling me it is explained on a FE but none of you seem willing to divulge these explanations. Why not? If you want people to be convinced by your explanations how do you expect to do it with producing them?
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  3191.  @johnbiggscr  That was the solution in The Marching Morons, the short story that inspired Idiocracy.
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  3192.  @apryason  The longer the mission, the greater the risk; Apollo missions were only two weeks while a trip to Mars would take many months. She does stipulate the problem is with dosage.
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  3193. FE'ers seem incapable of thinking beyond a single observation point.
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  3194.  @dhirendrarajkumar1785  How would “13000 foot high mountain” be read as starting at 13,000 feet?
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  3195.  @gavinw2710  They rotate east to west. The Earth is surrounded by open space, not the walls of a circular room; the stars orbit around the axis of rotation, not stuck to a revolving wall.
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  3196. Scott Meyer No gravity and a little spring in your step... 😊
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  3197. Sort by nearest first.
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  3198. Heather Dayvis The drug laws don’t apply to natural treatments and plenty of companies are making a profit from it. Why don’t they try some double blind studies?
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  3199. Heather Dayvis The FDA rule is that anything advertised as a substance to cure, treat or prevent a disease is classed as a drug and is obliged to undergo the same testing procedures. It’s not a matter of patent law and the purity required of a drug is higher than that of the products you get in the supermarket.
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  3200.  @Mrnjaogass A star does not have be stationary to emit light.
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  3201. Explain why you think everybody sees the same face of the moon.
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  3202. KuJoseph https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Not difficult.
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  3203.  @Ben-mk9ig  Stargate One typo?
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  3204. You highlight a common problem of FE'ers; they have no concept of scale or, apparently, of simple arithmetic. 360 degrees / (25,000 miles * 5280ft/mile) = 0.0000027 degrees curvature across the top of a 1ft diameter bucket.
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  3205.  @Scott88347  "there is no gravity in space right?" Depends on how far away from any mass that you are. It doesn't magically stop in a vacuum if that is what you are thinking.
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  3206.  @Scott88347  Start here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_field and good luck. The technical terms are outside my branch of science. :-)
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  3207.  @marksmit6718  Sorry. Seriously stretched patience from Thinkers who can't see the self-evident problems with their "solutions".
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  3208.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Is 5 times a record?
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  3209.  @therealzilch  Ouch.
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  3210.  @therealzilch  I just remembered this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XTwWqzKeXc&t=1s
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  3211. HappyPappy Repeat Eratosthenes experiment with three or more sticks and you get a curved Earth and distant sun. With a 25,000 mile circumference, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to be observable? Lake Michigan is 50 miles across between which two points?
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  3212.  @zeendaniels5809  We're all capable of having blind spots; we just don't like to think we are.
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  3213.  @jonathansnead3715  1. Scale; the debris are too small to be seen from that distance. 2. Scale; the planes are too small to be seen from that distance. 3. Convention places north pole at the top in pictures; it's not a statement of top & bottom. 4. Do you have any idea of the magnification & resolution required? That the Earth is a globe was deduced from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with altitude and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. FE priority should be trying to explain how all that is possible on a FE, not looking for conspiracies to fake space debris.
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  3214. FED as attempting to argue that the sun should pull the moon away from Earth and orbit the the sun because it is bigger. FE'er have difficulty mentally handling more than two objects or one key factor and assume it to be a legitimate point rather than look at the actual relationship between the three: moon orbits the earth, both orbit the sun.
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  3215. So predict what those changes are going to be.
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  3216. David George We’re addressing people who are being willfully stupid.
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  3217.  @lepep6737  I believe that is how it is spelt in Wicca, I think to distinguish from the abracadabra variety.
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  3218.  @TheExceedermjw  I gave a definition not an opinion.
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  3219. Michael Miyashiro You think illogical arguments have validity?
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  3220.  @saydimiyashiro  Density acting as a force; they see a factor and ascribe in appropriate properties to it. Cars don't overtake on the double yellow lines therefore the yellow lines just gotta be controlling the cars' steering. (I assume we are talking of similar road markings since they do differ between countries.)
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  3221. Michael Miyashiro We’ve been validating the Earth being a globe for over 2000 years down to the point of WGS84 having measured the contours down to the square meter. What more would you like?
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  3222. Where do they think water disappears to?
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  3223.  @phoko2746  How do they think the water goes up without evaporating? It's a novel if still dumb claim by FE'ers so I'm curious where they think the water disappears to if it doesn't evaporate.
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  3224. They have largely abandoned an up & over path in favour of a horizontal circle though they still have no plausible answers how it would work or match observable reality.
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  3225.  @jimtombson4042  Try stamping your foot when you say “it is".
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  3226.  @garydoyle1467 The covid vaccines (plural) do work. Efficacy slowly decreases with time as the body produces less of those antibodies. Over time viruses slowly mutate and the protein sequences used for creating the earliest vaccine may be changed. Modified vaccines become necessary to keep up, hence booster shots. Vaccines have a two pronged effect. Individuals have some acquired immunity, keeping them gralthy when exposed and reducing the chances of passing on an infection. In a population, fhe more people vaccinated means fewer capable of passing on an infection to the people around them; without vulnerable people, a virus can die out ina population.
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  3227. They used wide-angle lenses for the landscape shots; that shrank the apparent size of Earth.
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  3228. Jake Arnesen You also need to take atmospheric refraction into account, particularly when looking over water. That’s why FE videos make such a fuss about seeing boats & islands.
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  3229. Flat Earth predates all that, originating with Rowbotham going on a religious anti-science bender. That’s a pretty garbled list that you have.
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  3230. Curvature or viewing distance? The two are not the same.
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  3231. Pre 500 BC rather. The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere.
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  3232. Some of them deny telescopes exist. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  3233.  @stylesrj  Look up Morton’s demon. It’s more that the demon stops the word telescope reaching their brain; from e perception there are no such things as telescopes.
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  3234.  @stylesrj  So not being able to perceive we are in a simulation just gotta prove we are in a simulation? If we weren’t in a simulation would be aware that we were?
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  3235.  @_Alhemist  Each signal is about 30 seconds long and the receiver looks for a Doppler shift in the shortening or lengthening of the signal. With a minimum of 4 satellite signals it can sidestep using the internal clock; I don't know the maths. You need to come up with a plausible alternative, not rely on a dismissive handwave and vague claim of there being other ways to do it. GPS works mid-ocean; radio towers are not an option. Helium balloons (or whatever you wish to call them) are affected by weather and require constant fuel to move as a satellite would. Provide a plausbbiel alternative. Also, answer Ian's question: are the distances between locations on Earth known or not?
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  3236.  @_Alhemist  And yet so many people are continually using GPS for directions without a problem. How is that possible if there are no signals? What natural phenomenon? Are the distances between locations on Earth known or not? Either answer these questions or shut up.
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  3237.  @_Alhemist  Why would carrying something alter the distance between A & B? Two of us have explained how the timing is determined. Schumann standing waves spontaneously started sendjng signals when Sputnik was launched?
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  3238.  @_Alhemist  Any two points on Earth. Answer the question: are geographic distances known? You’re claiming that nature spontaneously creates variations that appear & disappear exactly in timing with the launch & demise of each individual satellite and carrying data that just happen to be an exact match for the data to be transmitted and just happen to mimic the exact motion of each satellite?
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  3239.  @_Alhemist  Either you're deluded or simply taking the piss. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow - all readily observable by anybody, all indicative of a globe, all contradictory to a flat earth and all still unexplained by FE'ers. I know you won't try, just filter out that I said it.
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  3240.  @_Alhemist  I have family in Australia; they’ve never had problems with distances and restrictions.
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  3241.  @ArKritz84  They can’t figure out whether stairs go upwards or forwards?
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  3242. Air & water circulate heat. The varying land/sea layout affects the motion of the former while the rotation of the Earth determines the direction of ocean currents. This results in the same latitudes having varying climates.
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  3243. zelzmiy What’s your explanation for how density can act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  3244.  @chrissierra-5633  I forget the name of the rocket but it was small & unmanned and they were testing launch flight procedures. The propulsion was programmed to shut off at a particular time; the altimeter showed the appropriate deceleration and the camera smooth flight but FE’ers claim it smashed into the dome.
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  3245. Susceptibility is genetic; what triggers it is not known.
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  3246. Apologists don't apologise and the terrific isn't terrifying; the meaning of some words has changed with vernacular usage. Theory meant explanation like theorem in maths; vernacular use is now an idea.
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  3247.  @johnstanley8091  Byrd didn’t; you’re referring to a picture of the Antarctic coastline. Gravity long since proven to exist. Still waiting for an explanation as to how you think density could act as a force. Birds & gnats fly because they have wings to counter gravity; neither have s similar mass to an ocean.
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  3248.  @tompayne3200  Which simply adds the questions of where did the ice come from and why doesn’t it melt?
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  3249. Try to get him to watch this one.
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  3250. “I don’t understand how it works” and “I understand it doesn’t work” are two quite different things.
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  3251. The Mandalorian One lot complains that things don’t change in science, the other lot complains that things do change.
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  3252.  @Fishwino FE’ers frequently delete their posts when challenged.
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  3253. The gravitational attraction is proportional to the product of both masses. Small masses have weaker attraction to Earth, ie, they weigh less.
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  3254.  @janerogers8201  Worse still - some people believe it.
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  3255. Vaccines can use a fragment of a virus shell, a “dead” virus where only the shell is present (no genetic material to enable reproduction) or an attenuated virus which replicates too slowly to be infectious. They act to prime the immune system so if & when the body encounters healthy virus it can react fast enough to destroy the virus before it replicates sufficiently to be a problem.
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  3256. You can't think?
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  3257. Looks like aaaaaaaaaaaaa etc disappeared.
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  3258.  @johnqpublic7608 Explains why people survive the Christmas day dips in the North Sea 😊
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  3259. They don’t use plumbing - they don’t think water can get around the bends.
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  3260.  @andrewwhitfield5480  Most seem to have a religious motive, others just want to be “in the know” about something. Neither are open to reason or prepared to question what they’re saying.
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  3261. Charging $1.25 for 0.2 litres increases the profit margin 😊
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  3262.  @zodiacleo5865  Why would you expect a significant difference when Earth, plane & atmosphere are all rotating eastwards?
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  3263.  @zodiacleo5865  Your velocity relative to the plane is 3mph.
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  3264.  @zodiacleo5865  If stationary on the tarmac then 0mph relative to Earth’s surface, one revolution per day relative to the Earth’s centre. If moving northwards at 200mph then 200mph northwards relative to Earth’s surface, 0mph eastwards relative to Earth’s surface and one revolution eastwards per day relative to the Earth’s core. If moving 200mph eastwards then 200mph eastwards relative to Earth’s surface, 0mph northwards relative to Earth’s surface and greater than one revolution per day relative to the Earth’s centre (exact number depends on latitude). If you walk up & down the plane’s aisle then you move at +/- 3mph relative to the plane regardless of how fast the plane is moving relative to the Earth. What do you think the problem is exactly?
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  3265.  @zodiacleo5865  The plane would be moving at, say, 300 mph eastwards relative to the Earth’s for LA to NYC and 300mph westwards relative to the Earth’s surface for NYC to LA. Why exactly do you expect there to be a difference?
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  3266.  @zodiacleo5865  A plane sitting on the tarmac has eastwards momentum. It retains that momentum when it takes off in the same way a thrown ball keeps moving when it breaks contact with your hand. The plane’s engines modify the plane’s momentum, leading to a difference in speed relative to the Earth.
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  3267.  @zodiacleo5865  The engines reduce the eastwards momentum; the Earth continues rotating at the same speed (one revolution per day) and thd plane a little longer. Winds aside, the atmosphere & Earth continue rotating eastwards at the same velocity regardless of what the plane is doing. The planes engines modify the momentum that the plane has.
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  3268. 1337 Gaming HQ Move it well away from the ball you are standing on.
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  3269. Entropian2012 You mean FE models plural, none of which work. If you think you have a working model then produce.
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  3270. FACE GALLON And yet they can’t put their fingers on a FE map.
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  3271. Missouri Bear The Bear family of users appear to be trolls.
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  3272. larryconcepts If you are going to make a long post then a space between paragraphs helps for reading, especially from a phone.
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  3273. Believe it it not, they favour a giant monopole at the north pole.
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  3274.  @Magst3r1  which is what i said.
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  3275. Anything that relies on the Law of Just Does to explain how it works.
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  3276. No ready means to localise the effect.
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  3277. TheFatYankeePirates He’s asking if you’ve looked for flaws in it, particularly when you’re saying a FE conspiracy is there to distract, ie, is there nothing compelling about your conspiracy theory that it could outshine such a distraction?
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  3278.  @hirokomlm131  “cure fir Covid can be found in those that didn’t die” Your premise is that everybody would die if they didn’t receive a cure.
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  3279.  @mrbowtieguy  So what’s your technique for identifying CGI?
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  3280. Mika Beck Possibly they were arguing that the shortest route on a globe would be to follow the lines of latitude, which would actually be a very round about route. The shortest route is across the Arctic Circle.
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  3281. As far as I am aware, you don’t need a visa to connect through a US airport.
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  3282.  @jimenezjuan84  Unless you’re under the visa waiver program; that’s what I was thinking about.
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  3283.  @yingyang1008  It's not illegal, just unsafe. If the plane comes down you're stuck.
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  3284. King Veteran I asked a simple enough question; why no answer?
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  3285.  @Webrider357  Which is still only one rotation per day. The centrifugal force is tiny compared to gravity.
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  3286. EtBr will (with UV) but bromophenol blue is just a marker dye that tells you the gel is running OK.
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  3287. You can extract DNA/RNA from a cut-out section of an agarose gel by dissolving it.
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  3288. A very long sentence, most of which is factually wrong.
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  3289. You’re ignoring the axial tilt in the model you are complaining about.
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  3290.  @generalmax4252  "GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS ADMIT FLAT EARTH" How difficult is it to read a whole sentence?
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  3291.  @generalmax4252  As I said. how difficult is it for you to read a whole sentence?
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  3292.  @generalmax4252  The sentences in those government documents.
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  3293.  @generalmax4252  No, I’m asking you a question.
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  3294.  @generalmax4252  You don’t think it necessary to read a whole sentence to understand the context of a few words? Have you actually read it are you just taking someone else’s word for it?
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  3295.  @generalmax4252  So you are just taking someone's word for it and are lecturing other people about a document you haven't read. Why do people who claim to be preaching the truth never bother checking stuff bore opening their mouths?
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  3296. Tii Fit Wellness A lot of ignorance & incredulity mixed in with a lot of conspiracy theory. If you think there is a good reason to believe the Earth is flat then produce it.
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  3297.  @aaryajain9771  I would have thought their brains could be described as dense...
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  3298. Ike Phillip Ruffin Straight lone A to B on a globe. Project the curved surface of the globe into a flat map and the straight line appears as a curve. You need to explain why the flights are curved and thus not direct on a FE.
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  3299. abigail tirabassi Gravity pulls towards the centre of the Earth, not some mysterious plane “below” the South Pole.
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  3300. He was harassing Buzz to swear on a Bible and called him a liar, a thief and a coward, at which point…paf. The police officers watching saw the prelude as unreasonable aggravation.
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  3301. All you need is a plausible explanation for how water observes its environment, makes decisions and moves itself.
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  3302. Robert “I’m pretty sure water finds its own level” A common statement with FE’ers with no explanation ever forthcoming as to how water could do this independently.
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  3303. christian nordin Are you asking why you can see a blue sky through the moon?
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  3304. Local weather aside, the atmosphere is moving at the same rotational velocity as the Earth; how would it stop the balloon continuing to move with the Earth?
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  3305. Cullantaylorr He was saying that nothing has absolute certainty which differs considerably from saying there is reasonable doubt as to the outcome. When the probability of winning three lotteries in a row is more likely than a predicted outcome not occurring then only a fool would think there was reasonable doubt about the outcome.
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  3306. Cullantaylorr Maths is descriptive not prescriptive. A law court is trying to reconstruct a specific event and eye witnesses are known to be unreliable.
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  3307. Will Botti How far you can see is determined by atmospheric refraction and your elevation; the object’s visibility is also dependent on its height & elevation. Claims of impossible distances are dependent on ignoring such key factors.
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  3308. Petroleumalley Presumably a real-time video on fast forward 😊
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  3309.  @idonthaveideasformyhandle Only if you’re walking on the water 😊 How far you can see is partially determined by how high above the water your eyes are. Even onboard a yacht puts you several feet upwards.
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  3310.  @craigmunro2008  When elevation is a key factor in how far you can see and 8” per mile squared does not include a variable to account fof that then 8” per mike squared is not calculate how far you can see however much you wish it to. Nobody is saying light is refracted upwards except FE’ers who insist on using a flat baseline when discussing a curve. Refraction occurs with change in density of the medium. Air pressure decreases with increasing altitude which means the density also decreases.
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  3311.  @craigmunro2008  Answer Arbor Anima’s request for details.
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  3312.  @craigmunro2008  If there was an unobstructed view ti Chicago then where are the rest of the buildings? Air pressure drops with increasing altitude, not just the temperature.
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  3313.  @craigmunro2008  The drop in pressure is not linear and relates to the weight of the gas above, a result of gravity. You’re assuming the atmosphere is an ideal gas inside a container.
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  3314. No answer to my question?
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  3315.  @craigmunro2008  We’re both right; it’s a matter of what altitude range we’re looking at. For the limited altitude you’re considering the decrease is linear as is the decrease in temperature; increased temperature occurs at far higher altitudes. You’ve already been corrected about the distances you’re quoting; you need to use the correct ones. It has also been pointed out to you that only the upper part of the Chicago skyline was visible, not the whole skyline as you are assuming.
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  3316.  @craigmunro2008  That you personally have not found the maths does not mean nobody has done it. You're looking for university level textbooks at least and what is contained within research papers. At the very least you need Google Scholar, not ordinary Google. When the lower part of the skyline is missing then you are obviously not looking across a flat surface. You do seem to be overlooking that. If you are going to take shots across a water surface then you need to take into account the effect of the enhanced humidity, especially just above the water.
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  3317.  @craigmunro2008  You’re assuming that all of Chicago was visible (as opposed to just the upper sections of the tallest buildings).
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  3318. The flip side.
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  3319. Natural philosophy, not science.
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  3320.  @Fyorad  Natural philosophy appeared with the ancient Greeks and it was based on the premise that observation & thought were all that was needed to determine how the world around us worked. Scientific method is the iterative application of hypothesis, prediction & test. This example requires only observation & thought.
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  3321.  @Fyorad  I’m referring to natural philosophy, not philosophy.
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  3322. chinuchun We’re still waiting on an explanation for how believing in a globe would give big brother control over someone’s mind.
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  3323.  @chinuchun  That I realise; I was simply pointing out that none of the people who claim a globe enables BB to control your mind ever explain how they think that works.
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  3324. Dragonfly B!tch Bauer Many FE’ers profess to be in the know even when they clearly don’t and others simply prevaricate or go quiet rather than admit they don’t know. I do wonder how tightly I would need to apply thumbscrews before “I don’t know” passes their lips.
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  3325. Ask them how the sun sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. See if they can find a video of someone zooming the set sun back into view.
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  3326.  @slohbroh3752 Cremation by re-entry?
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  3327. eric Sandersfield My exasperation is with them, not you 😊
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  3328. FE'ers can't agree how far away the sun & moon are but generally claim somewhere between 1 mile and 6000 miles. Working with 2000 miles in the video seems reasonable.
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  3329.  @enkiannu665  How does real-time CGI work exactly?
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  3330. Harvey assures me that he is.
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  3331.  @seosamhofionnaghain8699  Explain how you think NASA fooled the ancient Greeks.
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  3332.  @DrSakthi  Do you understand what numbers are?
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  3333. How did the CIA influence Rowbotham?
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  3334. A central sun would be unacceptable for some 😊
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  3335. That's the lunar phase, not the lunar eclipse; phases are due to the relative orientation of the sunlit side of the moon changes as it orbits Earth.
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  3336. Do you think we find it difficult or that they lack explanation?
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  3337. Lil Luie You need a permit in the same way you need a visa to visit most countries. It is easier to go for cruises because if none of the passengers set foot on the land then the company’s permit suffices. Anybody can go to Antarctica.
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  3338.  @ladyakuno7488  That's what the MIB with the neuraliser told him he saw :-)
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  3339. Look up "spin-off technologies". Development of terraforming technology would go hand-in-hand with environmental repair on Earth.
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  3340. Definitely black holes: infinitely dense, ordered information heading their way but nothing useful coming out.
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  3341.  @tick6362  He thought he had reached India, hence naming the islands the Indes.
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  3342.  @Wolverine985  The government isn't made of the people? Who are they?
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  3343.  @Wolverine985  I don’t think you’ve fully thought through your original assertion.
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  3344.  @Wolverine985  Rand Paul has his own axe to grind and is a member of The Government - why do you find him trustworthy? As with all criticism of science, I see a lot of armchair experts with bugger all knowledge and understanding expounding on how things really are and how they should really be done. In the last two years I've had to listen to claims that viruses don't exist, all viruses are created in labs, mutations don't occur naturally, that you wouldn't find wild-type virus in a lab studying wild-type viruses, all virology related grants are for bioweapons and the foreign collaborations can only be nefarious purposes. The last does at least acknowledge there is a world outside the US though that doesn't many from expounding Covid is just a hoax by the US Government, presumably on the assumption that all international Zoom connections are real-time CGI run by black ops people. I've had to explain countless times how masks work and why <100% does not to equal 0%, a concept that people who understand a "20% off" sign seem to have great difficulty grasping. Oddly enough when a politician expounds any of this We The People suddenly find politicians trustworthy rather than malevolent. Have you never wondered why the US has to import so many foreign scientists?
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  3345.  @jaygio  It's amazing the amount of power that a handful of people can wield, apparently micro-managing all aspects of life. 🙄 Yes, some people do have an inordinate amount of power but essentially accusations like yours come down to portraying them as bogeymen, ie., clear simple scapegoats for complex situations that are far more chaotic than you would like to believe. Think about confirmation basis before engaging in research.
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  3346. Theres no persuading those down the rabbit hole but you can reach those are wondering if there is anything in FE.
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  3347. The race begins and ends in Sables-d'Olonne, France.
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  3348.  @The_Qu  1. The view around you is circular assuming no hills or obscuring your view. Someone describing the Earth as a circle could well be referring to that. 2. Unlikely; they didn’t have compasses then.
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  3349.  @The_Qu  No, I'm saying that somebody writing about how far they can see may well describe the view as a circle.
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  3350. Whether it is a force or an apparent force is irrelevant; the FE assertion is that it doesn’t exist, actual or apparent.
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  3351. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  3352.  @davidmescher2526  Obviously Red Bull nicked their idea form the real source :-)
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  3353.  @rusblock  I said not necessarily not that Americans generally don’t. Years ago now, some of the Indian post-grads were practicing on one of the campus green areas. One of the campus security cars kept circling back and driving slowly past. They eventually pulled over and asked what they were doing; they recognised the name but not the actual activity.
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  3354.  @rusblock  If I had meant that no Americans know then I would have said that.
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  3355. If you’re prepared to look then they don’t have much of a case.
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  3356.  @PresidentJeanAuguste  With comedy shows the jokes vary... 🙂
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  3357. Our next guest believes he is still on air….
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  3358.  @rusblock  I would guess that the Them are employed by the They.
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  3359.  @pikleman5880  You said gain of function research means it must be deliberately manufactured; it does not.
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  3360.  @pikleman5880  A: "The virus was deliberately manufactured, as it was being used in gain of function research" B: The purpose is usually studying how a virus works and it can be achieved by either selection or gene manipulation.
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  3361.  @mdew24 Do they include any explanation for how sun & moon remain airbourne, move or why they would move in a circle? Any explanation for a spherical sun lighting limited, missshapen areas?
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  3362.  @mdew24  The trouble is that nobody can say what those explanations are or explain the conflicts with observable reality.
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  3363. Who is they?
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  3364.  @C_Becker  They choose to ignore an improving understanding of reality.
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  3365.  @kitcanyon658  Spherical pills?
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  3366. OMG GMO Which even if it were true would mean the phases would appear to vary across the face of a FE. They have difficulty thinking beyond personal observation.
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  3367. R Nickerson I was referring to the self-illumination, not the magic.
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  3368.  SpaceX says  I’ve read the Antarctic Treaty; nowhere does it ban travel. I keep asking FE’ers that claim to have read it where the appropriate clause is. “You just gotta read it” is the only response.
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  3369. SuperDadsBaby Combined forces would be insufficient to guard the FE Antarctic. Since penguins are the abundant animal life there, the running joke is heavily penguins patrolling the coast line.
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  3370. Rachid L'Allali Traceable signal to, one& from the moon, detectable equipment left on the moon and verifiable material brought back.
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  3371. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t...
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  3372. Karl N If there is a scale map in circulation then why can’t anybody produce a copy?
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  3373. LaRue How big a difference would you envisage finding on a globe the size of Earth?
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  3374. As long as the truck isn't moving too fast and you jump rather than throw a ball the effect will be negligible. The cabin would also give some protection from airflow.
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  3375.  @huismus111  Very presumptuous conclusion on the basis of one comment.
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  3376. If they were that willing to die for FE then they would risk becoming penguin cannon fodder storming Antarctica.
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  3377.  @stylesrj  There was rumours of a FE cruise around Antarctica but I haven’t heard of any planning to storm the beaches 😊
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  3378.  @stylesrj  Oddly enough I came across a reference to it this morning. Announcing he was a FE'er and offering to fund one was a publicity stunt in 2019 by a non-Flat Earther; nothing came of it.
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  3379. Try disproving the role an omnipotent god in such events :-)
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  3380.  @minihalkoja590  I was referring to unfalsifiability.
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  3381. That requires multiple observations; too complex for FE’ers.
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  3382. Josh Noss Duplication of sequences during replication followed by differing mutations within those sequences.
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  3383. Josh Noss The most likely outcome is triggering cell death. You need to think about all the possible outcomes, not stop after the first occurs to you.
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  3384. Josh Noss The videos are straw men arguments. Breeding relies selecting variations that already exist. What new gene variants do occur that relate to breeding are single base mutations and small insertion of deletions within genes. Your videos relate to evolution, not breeding. They assume every change occurs in one or two steps rather than a long series of tiny changes and get incredulous that the former is claimed by evolution, which they aren’t.
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  3385.  Josh Noss  Abiogenesis and evolution are two different things. The former is how lifeforms come into existence, the latter how lifeforms change. Both require a long series of tiny steps not a few abrupt steps as portrayed by these kind of videos.
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  3386.  Josh Noss  Which would only be possible if it occurred at the speed you're erroneously envisaging.
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  3387.  Josh Noss  Reproducibility of experiments, not a million years. Abiogenesis does not require anything impossible to occur.
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  3388. Josh Noss You’re confusing the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory. That nobody has yet reproduced it (few people possess a planet size lab and a million years to spare) does not disprove it; that individual steps can all occur supports the concept.
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  3389. Josh Noss The majority were reasonably accurate which is why they continued to be used.
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  3390.  Josh Noss  No, just better informed and less likely to fall for strawman arguments.
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  3391.  Josh Noss  "Evolutionsist theory thinks manatees are elephants that went back into the water." Straw man argument. The genetic & anatomical evidence points to a common ancestor >50 million years ago, not that manatees are descended from elephants. "With 0 evidence in either the fossil record or anywhere akin that there is any midpoint animal in between" Straw man argument. Since one is not descended from the other there is no reason to expect such a fossil to exist. "The bombardier beetle, the tongues of woodpeckers" As I pointed out earlier they are straw man arguments that assume abrupt large changes rather than tiny sequential steps and demand explanations for an assertion only they have made. "If you have a halfway developed organ like a kidney or liver in a animal you have a dead animal.. " If your physiology requires a fully developed kidney or liver you would be dead. If your physiology does not yet require what (to us) is a fully developed organ then there isn't a problem. Again, evolution deals with small gradual changes, not a body abruptly requiring a different organ; trying to present evolution as claiming that is a straw man argument. The appendix plays negligible or no part in digestion in child or adult. That it has developed endocrine cells in what was digestive organ is indicative of evolution. Not distinguishing between two different functions when making your claim is a straw man argument. That you refuse to accept evidence on religious grounds does not invalidate said evidence. Dismissing abundant evidence because it offends your religious sensibilities is not a logical argument.
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  3392.  Josh Noss  To reiterate, that you refuse to accept evidence on religious grounds does not invalidate said evidence. Dismissing abundant evidence because it offends your religious sensibilities is not a logical argument. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon based on extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning. http://paleobiodb.org/classic/checkTaxonInfo?a=checkTaxonInfo&taxon_no=64963
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  3393. Josh Noss If you’re using the word atheist as an insult then my assumption is correct. If you want the evidence then you need to be prepared to read textbooks and dig through journals. It isn’t going to fit in a Youtube text box. Videos where the “How is this possible?” is the end point rather than starting point are not evidence. Artificial beehives as built by humans.
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  3394. Josh Noss Back to argument from incredulity. Darwin realised the development of hive structure would need to be incremental not abrupt. The twits you’re watching can’t get their heads around incremental development. You need to check your drum doesn’t have a hole in it before you start banging it.
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  3395. Josh Noss I have repeatedly pointed out to you that you are producing nothing but straw men and explained why they are straw men. You assume I am atheist apparently because I am not flabbergasted by your assertions but see them for what they are. It doesn’t say much for theism or Christianity that I am expected to ignore or even believe false assertions.
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  3396.  Josh Noss  "most of what you said is based on fabricated evidence" I pointed out the errors in the reasoning of the claims you were repeating. "through genetic studies they have traced every man back to a common ancestor?" The mitochondrial DNA, not the genomic DNA, and it does not demonstrate there was once only one person on Earth. "they might have found the DNA evidence for crossbreeding between something you don't believe in" Why would I not believe in Neanderthals?
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  3397. Try refuting what he says rather than starting with insults.
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  3398.  @boterlettersukkel  All convinced that they are the only observer.
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  3399. 42; they like a simple answer for everything.
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  3400. william halim It was pictured that way because FE’ers insist it is small and close.
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  3401. Which would result in the higher pressure below pushing them upwards.
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  3402. What evidence do you have that Twitter was being censored? Please don’t quote the remuneration from the FBI for fulfilling warrants.
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  3403. ⁠ @ericb3157 Where are you looking for peer-reviewed papers?
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  3404. Some people see maths as nothing more than numbers on a sheet of paper; they have no comprehension that it is descriptive.
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  3405. Sorry to hear about your dog; it does get easier. “To hide God” is the most popular reason, having pushed out the circular “they’re fooling you to fool you”. None are willing to explain how other than the occasional reference to sun god worship.
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  3406.  @petroleumalley  Im trying to remember how it was pronounced back in Britain but all I can hear in my head is Simon & Garfunkel singing Kodachrome 🙁
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  3407.  @cjmatthiasakamatt8174  The texts have been copied multiple times, it has been translated multiple times (not serially) but not rewritten multiple times.
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  3408. No vaccine is 100% effective; some people will fail to develop the immunity. The aim is to get sufficient people (>90%) immune so that the few who aren't have less chance of becoming infected or have the opportunity to infect someone else if they do; that is herd immunity. Refusing to be vaccinated decreases the efficacy of the vaccine in achieving herd immunity; the virus can still be passed around and has time to mutate into a form that is poorly recognised or even unrecognised by the vaccine.
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  3409.  @acikusej  Being created by someone is the definition for artificial production.
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  3410. Vegan Snacks You said 7:45 which is the previous scene. I take it you see invisible harnesses on the astronauts in the foreground? The guy in the background has a two-way radio on his belt; are you referring to the aerial?
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  3411. Vegan Snacks Itz had an educated guess at a harness, I’m telling you its a radio aerial and you’re chuntering about real-time CGI editing.
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  3412. Vegan Snacks Why does the existence of one camera preclude the existence of other cameras? Air bubbles always move rapidly upwards. These don’t. How do you conclude they are air bubbles? Prove you think; answer the questions.
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  3413.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  The great thinker can't answer my questions?
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  3414.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  "some random debris that has almost the same exact trajectory" What is the most obvious source of the debris? Again, you've already thought this out so you should have no problem answering.
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  3415. Vegan Snacks Because I’m having to do your thinking for you? Answer the questions.
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  3416. Vegan Snacks “what question?” <eyeroll> You have Morton’s demon.
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  3417.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  I would explain the inherent fault in that declaration but the demon won't let you see it.
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  3418. Schismatic Your comment needs to be directed at Vegan Snacks, not me.
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  3419. Jesse Tow How big are the reflectors you are looking for? How far away are they?
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  3420. Too complex for the people FED is seeking to convince.
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  3421. You aren’t fazed by a FE guru failing to provide any evidence for a FE, just a string of “unanswered questions” that have long since been answered?
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  3422.  @trureef2319  Nasa is the Hebrew word for raise or lift.
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  3423. https://youtu.be/s0UsPhVTE8Q Try listening to what Byrd actually said rather than what somebody told you he said. In terms of Fishbowl, I’m still waiting for any FE’er to explain how they believe there is one impenetrable layer at multiple heights over the same location.
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  3424. Eratosthenes devised a means to measure the Earths circumference; it had been deduced to be a sphere about 200 years earlier from the motion of the sun, horizons and constellations changing with latitude.
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  3425. But how does it do it while remaining above the Earth?
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  3426. Andy Andreas Kumaseh So what is your point exactly?
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  3427. How do you think a vaccine works if not by activating the immune system?
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  3428.  @johnmargetson4711  Why we would want to go the moon? What would the benefit be from the expenditure?
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  3429. In what way does the absence of a creator defy science and logic? Be specific.
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  3430. Micah AP Are you arguing for the existence of a watchmaker or that the Big Bang can’t have come from nothing?
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  3431. Shot!
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  3432. The moon orbits the Earth which means it spends half the time on the sunlit side of Earth.
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  3433. FED is one of the sources of disinformation.
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  3434. Those would be the experts who called us racist isolationist swivel-eyed Little Englanders for thinking Constitution means Constitution?
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  3435. Paul M Already tried that with preceding videos.
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  3436. "the cult of Brexit" Not the cult of EU? We supposedly joined a trading bloc, one of many that now exist around the world, that has been morphing into the federal state that 1975 voters were told wasn't going to happen. Ask why and the answer is always along the lines of "you'll understand one day".
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  3437. The ancient Greeks deduced “the truth” 2500 years ago. The world has sincw been fully mapped, measured & photographed from every angle. Meanwhile FE’ers are denying the sun rises & sets.
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  3438.  @ChrisFEJackson  For me to scorn your ideas you need to say what they are. You've been asked and all you can do is spout the usual tripe about thinking for yourself, questioning what you're told and the evidence is out there but zilch when it comes to explaining yourself. What are your issues with the globe model?
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  3439. The Apollo-Soyuz link-up?
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  3440. Suzette deleted her TED talk?
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  3441. He made a video about it a while ago. "Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 2: The Stars" The diehards still aren't convinced.
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  3442. Do you believe telescopes exist?
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  3443. The 1% death rate is when there is sufficient medical facilities for this hospitalised. If it had been to run through the population like wildfire then numbers would have exceeded hospital capacity and the death rate could be 10% plus.
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  3444.  @whatdupa2454  There were multiple videos and you aren’t saying which it is. I checked with what the original work was; do you consider that an invalid source?
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  3445.  @whatdupa2454  Seems a reasonable question: is the original source an invalid source?
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  3446. Unfortunately they have a limited repertoire of jokes.
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  3447. Was he English speaking?
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  3448. Mention it and they think it’s evidence that gravity doesn’t exist.
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  3449. There’s an assumption that if a shortage of a particular nutrient has a negative effect on the immune system then an excess amount will give you a super-charged immune system but that is not how biology works. The body will simply eliminate or destroy the excess.
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  3450. The stars would be in the wrong direction to observable reality.
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  3451. They think it’s in Kelvins.
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  3452.  @supr3me652  Scale. You’re visualising a relatively small container but the decline in atmospheric pressure occurs over 10’s of miles. You do not need to have a significant drop per foot to gradually decline to zero. As long as the pressure drop over a given distance is sufficiently small to be counterable by gravity then the atmosphere stays put. No mystery, nothing inexplicable.
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  3453. I don’t know what gets entered on an Indian death certificate but is probable contributory factors are included; since people with heart & respiratory diseases are more likely to die from Covid then both would appear on the certificate.
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  3454. Reread the title.
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  3455.  @stylesrj  Mac System 6 required 7 floppies 😊
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  3456.  @johnbiggscr  If they believe it to be true then they are not lying, just wrong.
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  3457.  @johnbiggscr  Deluded or dishonest to themselves and certainly misleading people (to put it mildly) but lying requires the deliberate intent to deceive; while what they are saying is deceptive the intent may not be there.
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  3458.  @rayopeongo  Fresh coffee here; I’ll stick with caffeine 😊
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  3459.  @rayopeongo  Definitely. I came across "God grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked, the good fortune to run into those I do, and the eyesight to tell the difference." Thankfully I haven't gotten that far.
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  3460. J. M. Mainstream science requires that you put up the evidence to back any claims; Safire has yet to do that. Until they do then there is nothing to answer.
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  3461. The horizon is an effect of the curvature; there is too little distance to the horizon to directly observe the curvature (0.0144 degrees/mile).
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  3462.  @michaelhagemann5999  They also claim compasses are monopoles, that the south end of the magnetic is just there for balancing on the pivot.
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  3463. ​ @michaelhagemann5999  Sounds like the die-hards. They produce their slamdunk evidence, you explain what the errors are, why they are errors, how it needs to be done to avoid the errors and how they can check for themselves. They might acquiesce on each point but always claim there is yet more evidence though they can't say what. I've explained to some how you can track the path of the sun by putting a pole in the ground and noting how the shadow changes but some just insist the bogeymen are fooling you. The funny thing about the reference to the Truman show is that they talk as if each is the one & only observer in the world. One of Prof Dave's later videos make points about how multiple witnesses would see the moon on a FE and it doesn't faze them.
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  3464. Look up conservation of momentum.
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  3465. While both concern the horizon they aren’t the same. They keep professing 4 is possible but never produce the evidence. With 5 they think they can disprove the existence of a horizon 25 miles away by watching a ship up to 20 miles distant.
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  3466. FED knows full well that the Earth is a globe and he makes his living scamming the gullible; he’s not going to accept any evidence or explanations.
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  3467. It asked for my opinion on Trump.
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  3468. Earth's mass generally rather than just the kernel. In Newtonian physics gravity is described as a direct attractive force between two masses while relativity has mass generating a gravitational field that warps space-time, the result being gravity as an apparent force. The former is easier to visualise and gives accurate predictions.
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  3469.  @koklich  That would be the consequence of what FED said; he is inferring that the the angle & time to the sun is the only factor that determines temperature. FE'ers have difficulty grasping the concept of more than one factor being involved in anything.
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  3470.  @jasonmull5613  Suns work by thermonuclear fusion, not combustion. "The burden of proof is on you to prove to me that it's a globe" That the Earth is a globe is long established from the ancient Greeks' deductions to it being fully mapped & measured and finally photographed from every angle. If you want to claim it is all wrong then the onus is on you to produce evidence to back that assertions, not demand that everybody else provide yet more evidence of a globe that you will dismiss out of hand.
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  3471.  @jasonmull5613  Why not? Explain.
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  3472.  @jasonmull5613  Somebody told you that and you’re just believing it.
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  3473.  @jasonmull5613  What makes you think a satellite would be visible from a >100 miles away? You are aware that you can see the ISS passing overhead? There is a picture of Cubesats being released from a space shuttle. That's one of the few occasions where satellites were close enough to the camera to be visible.
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  3474. Samuel Rowbotham mid-19th century on an anti-science religious bender. In recent years it’s down to the successors to his society taking advantage of social media.
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  3475.  @vitakyo982  The Apollo landing sites were at sea. Why do you think it impossible for an object moving vertically to collide with another object moving horizontally?
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  3476. For a comment to be made at 16:30 requires the existence of over 16 min of video preceding it.
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  3477.  @stuartgray5877  The total would drop. It’s apparent from discussions that some people can see them while others can’t.
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  3478.  @stuartgray5877  When the user is blocked by the channel owner; all the user’s comments “disappear”. YT has had a problem for several months where comments are disappearing from some people’s feeds but not all; some people can still see a specific comment, some can’t. That indicates the comment has not been deleted or the user blocked, just a server error.
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  3479.  @prasadjonnalagedda8633  What do you consider to be assumptions and what do you find overly precise?
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  3480. Flash Gordon was leaving Earth to battle Ming the Merciless long before NASA existed. :-)
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  3481.  @blackdaan  The moon is a sphere; the half facing the sun will be lit, the half facing away will be unlit. How much of the moon appears lit depends on your viewing angle, which changes as the moon orbits the Earth.
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  3482. I had one who agreed the parabolic aerials were unidirectional and pointed well up into the sky but still insisted they were aimed at the radiotower on the horizon. None so blind as those who won’t see.
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  3483.  @anthonyway2592  You have the usual inability to check it grasp numbers, assuming any deviation from a perfect just gotta be ginormous and obvious to the eye. You automatically all photos are CGI because they just gotta be. You unquestionably believe it when told the globe is an incomplete model though you give no examples of what you think is incomplete. You haven’t attempted any of the challenges, merely insult Dave because you don’t see the point of them. You are eager to tell people how insightful you are because you haven’t thought about any of the above. You’re yet another FE’er who’s unable or unwilling to think but considers himself highly intelligent. That is just from what said in your OP.
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  3484.  @anthonyway2592  The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons and constellations changing with latitude. The angle to Polaris matching latitude and two celestial poles are additional proofs. Anybody can verify it for themselves. Eratosthenes measured the curvature c. 300BC with sticks & shadows, again something you can repeat for yourself. Rotation was demonstrated with Foucault pendulum and more recently with laser gyroscopes. Orbit is demonstrable with stellar parallax. That you don’t know something does not make you knowledgeable.
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  3485. TiLonGonn We don’t know that the rest of the universe is lifeless; we are just unaware of other life.
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  3486.  @lioneye108  You need to start with the the original video (Astronomy section). This is the third subsequent video; his tone is appropriate to the comments he had been (and still is) receiving.
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  3487.  @peterson7082  If you are watching videos in English then most of the people commenting will have English as their first language.
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  3488.  @peterson7082  Because it is an English language video; you aren't going to get a balanced world population sample from one language.
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  3489. The algorithms changed recently resulting in conspiracy & idiocy videos being disfavoured. They can be generally described as science just gotta be wrong, I can see too far, why can’t I see the curvature of a 25 mile circumference and/or God is great therefore the Earth is flat.
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  3490. Why would a lead ball & a feather falling at the same speed disprove gravity?
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  3491. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988
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  3492. If you simply point out that a bird has wings then, like the bird, the point go straight over their heads.
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  3493. Unsane Bear Observer elevation, atmospheric refraction and FE’ers using the wrong maths to begin with.
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  3494. Brain Mog What issues do you have with the globe?
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  3495. Brain Mog So the issue is that you don’t understand how net force could be calculated rather than any specific problem with demonstrating curvature?
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  3496. UraStr Regardless of the shape, the view would become increasingly indistinct with distance due to impurities in the air , eg, rain, dust. On a FE there wouldn’t be a horizon and we would be able to see much further but the view withdrew become too hazy over 1000’s miles.
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  3497. Some do, some don’t but they are quite agreed that they are agreed on the shapes.
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  3498. @Arte Floe Most but not all say there is a dome; most seem to assume the sun & moon are inside but again not all. The only things they agree on that the Earth is flat and that they are agreed on the details. Without a FE model that really is agreed upon, it's often a matter of finding out which details any given FE'er subscribes to before explaining how we know that is impossible.
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  3499. You can persuade those who are looking down the rabbit hole.
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  3500.  @petspro3453  I had somebody describe the trend as “spiked and still increasing” which does reflect their grasp on detail.
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  3501.  @stylesrj With Sauron gone it might be a tourist resort by now 😊
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  3502. Mass would increase so you would need an ever increasing force to maintain constant acceleration.
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  3503. It's per mile squared, not per square mile, i.e., (8" * miles)^2. It's a parabolic equation that (for relatively short distances) produces similar numbers to surface curvature on a sphere. It does not calculate who far we can see; curvature is only one factor in that calculation.
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  3504.  @poohbear01x48  1. Nobody is measuring distance in square miles. 2. Sorry, my error. Read it as 8" * (# miles)^2. One mile would give you an 8" drop, 2 miles as 8" * 4 = 32" etc. It's a parabolic equation that was used by land surveyors in pre-calculator days; it is good approximation for surface curvature on a sphere over the distances they work at. It is not intended to be the definitive formula but a rule of thumb.
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  3505. That Amazing Girl The Ptolemaic system was based on a spherical Earth. 500 years ago was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric. Do none of you bother to check anything?
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  3506. Constructive criticism is reasonable; simply waving your hands and declaring it to be exaggerated or made-up is conspiracy theorist.
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  3507. Sascha P two days ago. Few FE’er replies to this video and most consist of insults rather than attempts at answers.
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  3508.  @shaunandrews1197  They bring it up occasionally but most seem to fall in the “space doesn’t exist” mentality.
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  3509. Explain why, when you hold a ball over another ball that a billion times the gravitational pull, pour water over the first ball and it heads straight to the second, do you conclude water is pouring off the second ball?
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  3510.  @FonsyBones  Deleting & reposting is a technique used by those who don't like the replies that disprove their assertions. Rowbotham invented "zetetic science" where you decide what conclusion you would like to arrive at then design experiments that will produce results that appear to support your conclusion, deliberately ignoring the basic principle of aiming to disprove hypotheses to avoid such bias. The classic experiment is on the Bedford Canal where he intentionally used the refractive effect immediately above the water to see further than would be possible if surface curvature was the only factor. When the experiment is repeated several feet above the water where there is minimal refraction then the curvature is apparent. I've read his book and I just explained the underlying principle. You haven't answered my question; try it. What do you think would make water fall off Earth?
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  3511. ​ @FonsyBones  Yes, I read the book and, despite the philosophical description, his experimental methodology is what I described. A scientific theory is not a hypothesis, which is how theory is being used in his description. "There is not mentioned whatsoever of refraction, but I'm sure at some point it was took into consideration" An experiment has to describe what factors were measured, what confounding factors were taken into account and what was done to handle such confounding factors. That refraction is not mentioned means it was ignored. With refraction the first 6 miles would indeed appear flat using his methodology; that is why he measured only 6 miles and made no mention of refraction. "If your intentions are to tell me that "gravity" is the force that makes water fall, then I'm done" https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 Henry Cavendish, 1798, reproduced countless times since with similar results. Let's hear your explanation for the effect.
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  3512. I find it difficult to believe that you can’t get refills or that none would discuss changing your medication if it’s causing you problems. Some things don’t have a cure; the body is highly complex and all that is feasible is tweaking the system to reduce the severity of the affliction. There’s no conspiracy to hide cures.
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  3513.  @AimlessRyan  Appendicitis. The body is highly complex, with everything interconnected; tweak one component and several things will change. An infection is from outside and can be specifically affected by antibiotics but most diseases are internal and you can’t affect one component without interfering with others. Medication can minimise or stem the effects but it’s unlikely you could have a precise enough effect to cure internal diseases. The notion of magic bullets went decades ago; just how complex the body is wasn’t understood at the time. Medicine is science-based; most doctors are not scientists per se but they do have a far better understanding of how the body works than most people. I believe the debate is at what point it is justifiable to start using opioids, not whether they should be used at all. People can and do get addicted when the pain is not too severe but what qualifies as severe is fuzzy. As I said before, the body is complex; the pain itself can affect how addictive a body finds opioids.
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  3514.  @AimlessRyan  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/?term=arachnoiditis+opioid There is plenty being done with opioids & arachnoiditis. The principle role of a doctor is to treat diseases with already proven means, not to experiment on the patient. That work is done by MDs & PhDs, with a clear hypothesis, voluntary patients and is controlled as to what is being taken and the effects documented. Percocet is an immediate release and intended for acute pain; all the contents of the tablet enter the bloodstream at much the same time to deal with a specific painful event. OxyContin is the delayed release form for oxycodone and is intended for use with chronic pain; it's the same drug but essentially the oxycodone is gradually released from the matrix in a continuous low dose. The only difference is the matrix that enables the gradual release and that euphemistically comes out the far end. As I said earlier, everything in the body is interconnected. The inflammation will be exacerbated by the stress from dealing with the pain. For you, the alleviation was effective in reducing the arachnoiditic symptoms.
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  3515.  @jesusofbullets It would require a lot of people taking bribes and essentially nobody who was honest; that is less probable than cost-cutting measures leading to an ineffectual suicide watch system.
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  3516.  @joegeneric7973  Swedish krona apparently.
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  3517.  @joegeneric7973  SEK is the abbreviation for Swedish krona. You asked which currency he donated in.
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  3518. That was decades ago in pre-PC times.
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  3519. What is a fake telescope?
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  3520. There would.
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  3521.  @stuartgray5877 That would make somebody an EE AND working for NASA; you can’t put one person in two slots.
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  3522. When density is being raised as an alternative to gravity then disproving the former means staying with the latter as the existing model. We don’t know how matter warps space time but we know it occurs. The warping alters the direction of motion of objects passing through it resulting in a “downward” motion towards the centre of mass. (Everything is in motion; objects may appear stationary relative to us.)
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  3523.  @poonumpandey4380  No.
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  3524.  @skeleton7972  Operation Fishbowl was a series of high altitude nuclear tests, ranging from 20 miles to 200n miles over one location and produce spherical clouds. Still waiting on FE'er to explain what height they think the dome is at that point and why the clouds weren't the slightest bit affected by the impenetrable dome. Still waiting on any evidence of Project Bluebean.
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  3525. His “cred” is simply being one of the FE gurus. He’s one of the big shots who can supposedly explain anything & everything about FE.
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  3526.  @victorfinberg8595 I just saw that done on FUBAR. 😊
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  3527. You're in it?
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  3528. Have it rolling down backwards and explain that’s what happens when you use negative energy to drive up the hill.
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  3529.  @phildavenport4150  I ask questions in the faint hope that some will make an association between being unable to answer a question and not knowing the answer to the question.
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  3530. Law of Just Does.
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  3531.  @robbo6689  Start with his first video on the subject (astronomy series) and see how matters unfolded.
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  3532.  @rayopeongo  At the Easter bunny?!!
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  3533.  @rayopeongo  I know (should have thrown in a smiley) but the way the two comments read it could have been Elmer Fudd replying 😊
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  3534. FE'er usually claim that the sun doesn't keep to a constant path but moves "inwards" during the northern summer to give 24hr sunlight in the Arctic Circle. They don't explain how you get the corresponding 24hr sunlight in Antarctica since the sun moving "outwards" would leave most of Antarctica in the dark at any given time of day.
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  3535.  @victorfinberg8595  The distance & route of the Japanese fleet to be within range of Pearl Harbor.
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  3536.  @victorfinberg8595  Depends on whether the FE'er is claiming the Gleason projection or the Mercator projection as the FE map.
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  3537.  @victorfinberg8595  It went the same way as the Earth endlessly accelerating upwards.
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  3538.  @samuelkellogg9152  He’s only “hostile and combative “ in these videos.
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  3539.  laptop electric  Was that intended fur me?
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  3540. Send a link for the previous one too.
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  3541. ​ @harvey2081  A scientific theory describes how something works, not whether it exists. Gravity was proven to exist with the Cavendish experiment in 1793, reproduced countless times since with similar results. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation; all alternatives have been disproven. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  3542.  @ericb3157  More than one..,
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  3543. Gives me visions of people making raw liver & kidney purées to detox their bodies….
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  3544. He’s appealing to those with poor spatial reasoning. FE gurus work that way.
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  3545.  @Th3Pr0digalS0n  And you aren’t willing to hear it.
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  3546. jessr smithson I think you mean people should be applying scepticism rather than slipping into cynicism?
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  3547. Because it is easier to understand than trigonometry and reasonably accurate for the distance viewable to the eye, ie, it’s convenient.
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  3548. Occam’s razor is simply to start with simplest hypothesis; it makes no presumption of what could be right.
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  3549. There’s a difference between politeness and respect.
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  3550.  @flatearthdave  Really? No explanation for how the sun would stay up, what makes it move, what makes it change course, what makes it change speed or how it causes long days in the southern hemisphere while being further way from most of it at any given time.
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  3551.  @DITRH  They don't. Explain how the south has elongated days in the summer rather than the shorter ones predicted by a FE.
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  3552. Gravitational attraction is proportional to the product of both masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separating distance. The moon orbits Earth because it is closer but both orbit the sun.
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  3553.  @studiomatYt  Do you mean how do spacecraft keep up with the Earth as it orbits the sun?
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  3554.  @victorfinberg8595  It removes non-YT links, keeping the discussion internal. Some YT links seem to get lost though I cant say why.
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  3555.  @victorfinberg8595  I see the YT link at the end of your comment. You can check by logging out of your account and looking at the comment as an anonymous user.
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  3556.  @Matuse  Another guy says it's red and gullible people insist it's both blue & red because they differ from the silver everyone normal sees.
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  3557.  @theselector4733  Possibly you mean Greater Sapien and I doubt Dubay actually did.
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  3558.  ⴼⵓⵛⴽ ⴽⴰⵔⴻⵏⵙ When someone says water doesn’t curve I hear the theme from the Old Spice ads.
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  3559.  ⴼⵓⵛⴽ ⴽⴰⵔⴻⵏⵙ  Suddenly I feel old... The Old Spice ads used to contain a surfer with a particular classical theme as the accompanying music. Iconic 30 years ago. Edit: Carmina Burana
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  3560.  @Petethebuilder  You're assuming there is only one observer in the world. There are nearly 8 billion observers scattered across Earth.
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  3561. He lives abroad but he knows his acolytes, who are questioning what they’re told, asking questions and have open their eyes, will mindlessly accept anything he says.
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  3562. Not all them claim there’s a dome though their explanations are no better.
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  3563.  @cheesemanthe2nd Supposedly it makes everyone sun-worshipers.
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  3564. They’re giving the FE case a shot in the arm?
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  3565. Science works through experimentation and observation; claiming it is only through experimentation is the FE’er dodging explaining why observations don’t match they’re saying.
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  3566. Your brain has flat-lined? :-)
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  3567.  @alexc9434  You can't be struck by lightning if you don't know what lightning is?
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  3568.  @alexc9434  I was using your logic.
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  3569. I watched the beginning of the first. The original Blue Marble was shot on film by the Apollo 17 crew from a distance of c. 18,000 miles as they returned to Earth; it is not a collage. Blue Marble 2 was created from low orbit shots taken from an altitude of about 450 miles. Blue Marble 2012 was a collage from shots taken at about 850 miles. The latest was taken from 930,000 miles. Do you think there is any difference between 450 miles, 850 miles, 18,000 miles and 930,000 miles?
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  3570. Zane Grey We’ve heard it all before and seen enough of their videos that it simply becomes repetitive. Assumptions that all satellite photographs are taken at the same altitude is routine.
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  3571.  @max5250  It's a matter of FE explanations answering only one particular point at a time with a result of "we've explained everything" and no consistent explanation.
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  3572.  @vitzuja5943  If people are publishing their work then they are not working in nothing. Explicit enough?
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  3573. Ask him to reconcile the sun remaining the same size and disappearing from the bottom up with a boat simply becoming too small to be visible. You can also challenge him to come up with a video of someone zooming the set sun back into view.
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  3574.  @oldmate86  Look up Morton's demon. Rational Wiki has the original article.
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  3575. Smedley Butler They could predict the likelihood of an eclipse to within a day or so; today we have it down to the second in a precise route.
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  3576. The Earth was deduced to be a globe c. 500BC. It has since been fully mapped, the measured distances indicating a globe. More recently still the exact shape has been measured (WGS84). What do you think is the single source of information? It’s reasonable to ask questions. It isn’t reasonable to ignore the answers.
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  3577.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The scientific rationale is asking what the accumulated evidence is and from there asking further questions, not start on the premise of assuming preceding evidence just gotta be wrong or that we should repeatedly start from scratch. "the paradigm we formulate our beliefs around" When something is demonstrated to be true, repeatedly so, then it is not a paradigm. That you don't know or understand the evidence does not invalidate it. What are the anomalies you believe exist? What do you think we are ignoring?
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  3578. Like this one? https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/511932682621134663/
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  3579. 3:05 & 3:15. The left hand lane contains DNA of fixed sizes to use as a scale. In checking correct insertion you can run a lane with the unaltered plasmid as a comparison or (better) digest some of the new plasmid and check to see if the right size insert appears.
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  3580.  @zeendaniels5809  Reputedly there were bags of nuts on an airline that had the instructions “Open bag. Eat nuts”.
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  3581. I don't think they have much concept of numbers. I'm curious to know how they manage their money.
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  3582. Check Prof Dave’s debate with Flat Earth Dave (one of the gurus).
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  3583. https://imgur.com/a/9S9U5OS
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  3584. Jonathan Lindsey MD’s get paid for than PhD’s and the latter carry out most of the research, which is very different to treating people. I have epilepsy. There is no cure other than burning a hole in my brain. I take medication that limits the spread of the inappropriate neural activity with the result I have fewer and less intense seizures; the condition is tested, the symptoms are reduced.
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  3585. Jonathan Lindsey And the pain & discomfort are alleviated by treating the disease.
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  3586.  @SicksGod  Have you seen, heard, touched, smelled or tasted your brain?
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  3587. What did you do to check the accuracy of those claims?
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  3588. As the channel owner the comments for all the videos come to him in one single feed.
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  3589. Check your units.
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  3590. The Bible doesn't teach anything about the shape of the Earth. At the time the OT was written it was commonly assumed the Earth was flat, that is reflected in some phrasing but is irrelevant to the points being made. Try Prof Dave's next videos about proving a globe without using science.
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  3591. SpaceFish And yet globe maps were being manufactured for centuries before NASA’s existence. Are you one if the people that believe they are into time-travel?
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  3592. Barbarella’s brother?
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  3593. ​ @janvukovic8717  A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon, well-substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. Something is accepted as a scientific theory because the evidence is conclusive and there are no plausible alternatives. FE'ers have yet to come with anything more than incredulity and pointless conspiracies. Dave has made the above challenges because they are fundamental to proving a FE but FE'ers never do them; no FE'er commenting here has tried meeting even one of them. None have produced any of these proof that you and others claim exist, just ignorance & incredulity. That you don't know how science does something does no mean nobody knows or even that the knowledge is limited to science. It just means there is something that you don't know; there are limitations to everyone's knowledge. Nobody blessed with a brain that is the repository for all human knowledge. We don't need to know the full mechanism of gravity to determine that gravity exists; that was done centuries ago. We don't need to know what initiated the Big Bang to determine the universe originated from a single point 14.5 billion years ago. "Why is there not a whole picture of a earth from space (not even Antarctic!)" There are abundant full hemisphere shots; EPIC, Himawari-8, Elektro-L take more every hour, all immediately downloadable. "how is it possible that earth is moving faster than 10k km/h" What do you think would stop it? There is no friction is space to limit movement. "How can the planes land on that ground" Usually by decreasing altitude and lowering the undercarriage. If you mean "how can it land if the Earth is moving at 1000mph" then the answer is conservation of momentum. When you throw a ball, it continues moving forwards when it breaks contact with your hand; when a plane takes off it retains the eastwards motion it had on while sitting on the ground; other than what is supplied by the plane's engines there is no difference in velocity between Earth and plane. "how do you scientists know how deep the earth is" When the circumference is measured and the Earth is demonstrated to be a sphere by multiple means then the radius & diameter are readily calculable. "All of you think flat earthers are stupid and idiots, but the truth is: they use their mind" It would be nice if you did use your mind but you're assuming that if you don't know something then nobody does and, mysteriously, that governments & media are the only sources of information.
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  3594. That isn’t absurd?
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  3595.  @magnacarta7136  They can’t produce a valid map and and the Gleason projection they keep waving suggests a far greater distance then they’re proposing secretly supersonic jetliners with fuel capacity hidden onboard somewhere and padding over land disguised as sea. That doesn’t seem to be stepping away from absurdity.
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  3596. Do you want to try saying where you think he is wrong and why?
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  3597. They seem to think that magnets are monopolar and that there is a giant monopole at the North Pole (I doubt they can distinguish between geographic & magnetic poles) towards which compasses point. I assume at some point they have seen magnetic repulsion due to magnets being bipolar but they don't seem to notice the discrepancy.
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  3598.  @NinjaMonkeyPrime  Use a high speed camera and capture the droplets in flight?
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  3599. NinjaMonkeyPrime Shockjng waste of good coffee though 😊
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  3600. See Morton’s demon.
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  3601.  @johnqpublic7608  Has he made the mental connection yet?
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  3602.  @yingyang1008  The permit is cheap, less than a visa application to some countries. Equipping yourself for survival in that environment is expensive.
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  3603. Matt Sorapure There have been experiments that used the known movement of the Earth to look for evidence of the hypothetical aether. There are morons who believe that failing to find evidence of the latter somehow proves its existence and disproves Earth’s motion. Do you want to try explaining their logic?
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  3604.  @Tocinos  You shouldn’t just believe what your calculator says - everything’s rigged to fool you 😊
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  3605. Azim Jivani Gravity was demonstrated by Cavendish in 1798, replicated countless times since with similar results. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Explain how density could act as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  3606.  @chaic4211  Upwards at a constant velocity became upwards at a constant acceleration which has tecently become absolutely stationary.
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  3607. I first learned it when I was 11-12.
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  3608.  @angrydoodle8919  Depends which country and school system you are in.
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  3609.  @ophilia  England.
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  3610. 1 mile = 0.869 nautical miles regardless of direction.
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  3611. I would say that they lack willingness and ability to interrogate their ideas rather than lack opportunity.
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  3612. Widget Failure to consider competing factors seems to be the main problem.
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  3613. It’s aimed at people who are looking down the rabbit hole rather than leapt down it. It serves its purpose.
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  3614. Running a cable from each terminal to each foot would lead to common ground 🙂
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  3615.  @warmachineuk FE’ers studiously don’t observe the sun so it would be in keeping with FE’er blathering.
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  3616.  @user-be1it9zi8v  It seems clear once you have figured out what he was trying to say. I had to play it back a few times to decipher it; not something that is possible in live debate.
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  3617. It’s difficult to see how someone who thinks observable reality is wrong and everything around them is a conspiracy would remain employed for long.
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  3618.  @victorfinberg8595  If the comments were deleted then I would not expect the “X replies” to differ from what is visible; they would no longer be there to counted. I favour Ian’s explanations.
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  3619.  @victorfinberg8595  It’s not illegal to have a delusion; being deluded may be a defence if you commit a criminal act while under a delusion (eg paranoia) though that csn lead to mandatory psychiatric counselling or sectioning. Most I think are just wanting to feel “in the know” or it’s a means of expressing distrust of what they don’t understand. Ironically the latter are willing to trust a nobody on the internet spouting debunked garbage just to balance the suspicion there is mass misinformation in society. Check Morton’s demon, particularly on a wiki that is rational (weblinks disappear).
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  3620. nelk pary The postulates date from 1890; the first virus was isolated 1892. Why do you think Koch didn’t specifically allow for viruses?
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  3621. Donnybrook High elevation and favourable atmospheric refraction.
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  3622. Good luck.
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  3623. They do seem to have stopped making comments that ran along the lines of “You’re wrong - what we really say is what you just said!!!” so maybe something is getting through.
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  3624. The air would have minimal effect at 30mph and while using a sealed vehicle would be more accurate there are idiots who immediately presume you’re referring to a dome.
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  3625. Or simply because they get a kick out of fooling people.
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  3626. @Gregory Sullivan There are no pure O2 & pure N2 levels; it’s a fairly constant mix of both. At a set speed the plane needs to fly at constant air pressure to maintain level flight. It is not going to rise into lower air pressure as the atmosphere curves. Orientation is continually adjusted; there’s no need for a specific alignment to coincide with curvature.
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  3627.  @atamisk21  How would parallel rays strike a curved surface always be perpendicular to the surface? Explain your reasoning.
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  3628.  @Matuse  You have to look for real crepuscular rays and not be taken in by the fake ones The Government makes 😊
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  3629.  @dongerramarco9617  Have you not wondered how big the deviation from a perfect sphere is or are you just assuming any deviation must be ginormous?
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  3630. It is possible but unusual for a river to travel up an incline for at least a short way due to the momentum of the flow.
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  3631. FE’ers will then fall back on “light can’t travel that far” when the moon can’t be seen.
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  3632. kieran james https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eratosthenes
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  3633. jafar nazir The people looking down the rabbit hole rather than those who’ve jumped down it.
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  3634.  @charliet1175  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  3635.  Coldirty Bastard  All those papers state that they make the assumptions to limit the calculations to the aerodynamic, not factoring in flexibility in air frame, loss of weight from fuel consumption etc
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  3636. You get shot by heavily armed penguins.
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  3637. What is common to conspiracy theories is the little to no evidence on which they are based. Claims that FE'ers are being used to divert people from the truth does nothing to provide the evidence that is lacking to begin with.
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  3638. Michele Mcguire What’s your proof that gravity doesn’t exist?
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  3639. Good Bonezz It’s a rule of thumb that was used by land surveyors prior to calculators. It is purely for approximating the curvature of the surface and becomes increasing inaccurate with distance. It will not calculate how far you are able to see because that is dependent on other factors such as observer elevation and atmospheric refraction.
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  3640. Don’t hold your breath. One FE’er was shown a scale model of Earth, moon and the distance between and was still adamant that the moon should be filling the sky.
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  3641.  @MrQuaiven  They haven’t come out of the closet yet? 😊
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  3642.  @jackevans7665  No, the OP.
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  3643. Slightly but not significantly.
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  3644. FED is trying to reel in those who perceive gravity as an irresistible force that either sun or earth exert but not both.
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  3645. All mass has gravity regardless of size; Cavendish demonstrated attraction between lead balls. Planets have enough gravity to force rounding.
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  3646. If everybody is pointing directly upwards and the directions aren't parallel then how do you conclude the Earth is flat?
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  3647.  @ibraheemkhan6660  You say the moon being distant would solve the problem for a FE but all you’ve referred to is everybody seeing the same face. For that to be reasonable you need to give a plausible position. You have referred to both a polar and a peripheral location, neither of which match the observable motion of the moon.
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  3648.  @ibraheemkhan6660  Which brings us back full circle: FEers insist the moon is no more than a few thousand miles above the FE surface.
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  3649. penny fulton 70% of the Earth surface is covered with water, not 70% of Earth is water. Momentum keeps the Earth moving; it doesn’t need to power itself to move. What acceleration and deceleration that does occur is the result of gravity. A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  3650. Non-denaturing PAGE.
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  3651. There's this concept called dosage that some people have a problem with. Two aspirin will deal with a headache while 200 aspirin in one go will kill you and two aspirin for each of a 100 headaches will do no more harm that 2 aspirin.
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  3652. John Miklas How many times do circumpolar flights need to be done to satisfy you one has been done?
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  3653.  The Mandalorian  "that snakes and donkeys could talk" A snake and a donkey, not that all snakes & donkeys could talk. Nitpicking perhaps but descriptions should be accurate
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  3654.  @cheatcodes6242  "This may seem facetious but an accurate map will never surface." There would be a penguin raid on anybody who even thinks about draughting a map? How many people do you think have disappeared while plotting maps?
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  3655. Is he still posting there?
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  3656.  @ameerabdullah1129  Exasperation with FE’er reasoning.
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  3657. Representing the distance on the screen would reduce the size of moon & earth to the point you wouldn’t be able to perceive light & dark sides.
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  3658.  @jay2theloo  Greater distance on a FE means limited motion and the inability to even apparently rise & set.
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  3659. To make and test a prediction you need to calculate the numbers involved. “Really far away” is not a measured distance.
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  3660. A potential example of human sacrifice advancing society?
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  3661.  @whiskybarato  A plane sitting on the tarmac has the same eastwards motion (1 revolution per day) as the Earth. It retains that momentum when it takes off. The plane’s engines alter the plane’s momentum; they don’t magically replace it.
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  3662.  @whiskybarato  There’s a difference between tangential velocity and rotational velocity.
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  3663. Any change in a body's movement requires the application of force. What do you propose provides this force?
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  3664. I have yet to see any FE’er explanation for 24 hr daylight in Antarctica, just denial it occurs. Perhaps you could enlighten us on what this explanation is?
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  3665. @Buck Rogers He didn't request any information. Are we supposed to supply a complete dissertation on the subject in every reply?
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  3666. @Buck Rogers Long Island isn't transparent.
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  3667.  @rayopeongo  Even that many shots of uncarbonated water would be detrimental.
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  3668.  @abbysaurus_rex  They ought to have informed WHO but were very reticent to say anything at the time. Some bats possessing it would not necessarily mean that it was common in bats and the bat populations cover a very wide area; there's no guarantee it would show up if more bats were checked.
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  3669.  @kennyjharland  It’s another misconception; some FE’ers claim they do as part of their conspiracy theory.
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  3670.  @Soulfood.7560  Then answer my question - how can those flights work in the absence of an accurate map? Perhaps you mean that the maps contain distortions? As has already been said in this thread, that is an artifact of projecting a 3D surface onto a more convenient 2D surface. It doesn't detract from the accuracy of the 3D map.
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  3671.  @Soulfood.7560  Why is that the people who believe they possess the knowledge, the understanding, the insight, the profound thinking that has uncovered gaping holes in our current understanding of the universe and are so eager that we should share in this wisdom so quickly come out with variants of "ask somebody else"? Why can't any of the enlightened answer so many questions? "do research on the topic then talk to me" Already done the research and now I am talking to you - answer the question.
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  3672.  @Soulfood.7560  There's umpteen of that name. Summertime at each poles leads to 24hr sun within the Arctic and Antarctica Circles.
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  3673. Marco Hmmm....what? You realise you get local variations due to multiple complicating factors?
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  3674. It’s the belief that science and only science can provide answers for every question regardless of the nature of the question.
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  3675. MrSpongejoe It would be better if there was variety in the claims. 😊
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  3676.  @maxbarko8717 They generally insist the signal comes from phone towers and they go quiet when asked to explain how that is achieved mid-ocean.
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  3677.  @maxbarko8717  They don’t. Eyeballing is the only form of measurement most of them understand.
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  3678. The Mandalorian Reminiscent of Blackadder’s lines.
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  3679.  @filby3213  "If that were true crane balls would be singing all day long" Crane balls are not designed to minimise the friction and use a cable to susebd the ball. The Foucault pendulum does not require a motor but will only continue for a matter of hours unaided. The "perpetual" ones use a ring electromagnetic below the pivot provided a little pulse at the furthest point of the swing; being a ring electromagnetic it does not send it in a particular direction.
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  3680.  @filby3213  Provide your evidence.
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  3681. Mike Tibble Because Piccard didn’t get high enough for curvature to be apparent to the eye. The Earth deviates very, very slightly from a perfect sphere. What is so difficult to understand? Are you assuming any deviation just has to be huge?
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  3682. Tenu Ki The curvature is constant. How far away you can see something is dependent on the curvature, your election, the objects height/elevation and the atmospheric refraction between you & the object.
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  3683.  @funnymannotfunny Check Poe’s law and corollary thereof.
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  3684. They insist the sun moves in a horizontal circle above a FE rather than a vertical circle.
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  3685.  @quinn1947  The nearest they ever get to explaining the inconsistencies with the sun’s movement is “You’re seeing what you’ve been told to see.” That you can track the sun’s size & progress seems beyond their comprehension.
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  3686. A spirit level lies perpendicular to the direction of gravity in whichever locality it is in. Many FE’ers think there is a universal down and that would be reflected in the spirit level apparently tilting.
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  3687. The Earth’s axis of rotation is inclined relative to the orbital plane, not perpendicular to it. When the inclination means the northern hemisphere is towards the sun you get long days & short nights.
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  3688.  @Frostspirit  In addition to the magic keeping the sun up and propelling in a circle they usually claim the sun's circle magically expands & contract over the course of the year, producing the day shortening & lengthening observed in the northern hemisphere. They aren't fazed it clashes completely with what is observed in the southern hemisphere or offer any explanation on how the sun moves.
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  3689. Let me guess: quakes & eruptions are being faked by NASA?
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  3690.  @piadas804  Look up the Metabunk Curve Calculator or Walter Bislins calculator.
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  3691.  @Aflove45  You’re using the invective that you claim I am using; do you approve of it or not? Anybody can espouse any opinion but there is no requirement they should receive no criticism. If the claim is dumb then it is everybody else’s right to say so and why. As has been pointed out to you repeatedly, FE’ers are not “free thinkers” but willfully ignorant. They advocate avoiding science as indoctrination though expect the technology around them to continue working. It’s been explained to them countless times how they can readily determine the shape of the Earth for themselves but they refuse to listen, preferring to simply deny observable reality in favour of “thinking different”, apparently in the further belief that different = right. Do you consider 2+2=4 to be a matter of opinion?
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  3692.  @Aflove45  I would note, incidentally, that this particular video deals with the logical fallacies used by the “thinkers”. Do you think a logical fallacy is a matter of opinion?
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  3693.  @prplt  Check Poe's Law and its corollary.
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  3694.  @testerwulf3357  Amazing ignorance for people who prattle on about perspective.
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  3695. Curiously, reference to the four corners if the Earth shouldn’t be taken literally because… well, because…
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  3696. Some do, some don't. They really are people who believe the Earth to be flat for fundamentalist religious reasons. Others are simply paranoid, believe anything & everything to be a lie and hence at grasp at anything different as The Truth. Some are just trolls, a few are simply out to make money from the gullible.
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  3697. David M “Experiments” in which they ignore all the variables other than what they’re interested in.
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  3698. DogTag93 I think he got it from “Frozen” and specifically the song “Let It Go”; the ice palace she builds has a roof of “frozen fractals”.
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  3699.  @petroleumalley  Damn, quite correct 🙁
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  3700. How much oblation would you expect to see in an image and why?
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  3701. Do you expect the spirit level to change and , if so, why?
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  3702.  @larrywestra9305  Usually when people suggest looking at D Marble they haven't realised he's dumb cluck and it has to be explained to them how gravity & spirit levels work.
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  3703. Close eyes, insert fingers in ears and start chanting loudly. That’s pretty much their explanation.
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  3704. "They find issues with the originals" Not usually. The original experiments tend to be very narrow and limited; statistically is possible to get results with a wide margin of error or simply fluke results. As the topic is expanded upon the accumulating data from larger & wider experiments give a better indication of how accurate the original results were.
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  3705. Ahmed Hassan A common misconception about an object moving is that other objects must be static to compare that motion to. They have great difficulty visualising the Earth, the atmosphere and then all in motion.
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  3706. zev bronshteyn It’s on the NZ flag; do they not exist too? 😊
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  3707. "Point 4 over land is irrelevant." Over water increases the amount of atmospheric refraction and thus increases the distance to the apparent horizon; FE'ers need to minimise the amount of refraction and see if they get the same "we can see too far" results. That clear? Denying refraction exists then claiming there is atmospheric distortion disrupting your results is hypocrisy. As for #6, if the sun is setting in Barbados then, regardless of the colour, it is setting; you need to explain how it does so.
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  3708.  @Opinlinz  Whether or not you & I have discussed it is irrelevant; my comment stands. I’ve had this discussion countless times over the years; I’ve often supplied documents or links to where various “secret” documents are available for public scrutiny. There seems to be a common assumption that either the information should be beamed into their heads or people should come to the door and shove copies into their hands; many seem to be clueless that they have to make any effort.
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  3709.  @Opinlinz  "You are like most individuals in the world who think if I'm not told something there's no way no one else could know." How the hell do you arrive at that idea? I'm pointing out that if NASA scientists tell you something over lunch then it is unlikely to be hush-hush secret; I'm not claiming to know what they said to you or be au fait whichever project it was.
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  3710.  @Opinlinz  I said it was highly unlikely to be secret if they were telling you over lunch, not that it was highly unlikely that you spoke with them. If you wish to criticise then get it straight.
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  3711.  @stephendavies8607  What is applying the pressure?
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  3712.  @stephendavies8607  The dark matter is believed to exist in the periphery of galaxies and dark energy to have no interaction with matter.
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  3713. Assuming the air is not flowing off the edges, the atmosphere would also be being pushed upwards giving the aeroplane the necessary lift.
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  3714.  @Mars0984  On subjects like these it isn’t always readily apparent when it is sarcasm.
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  3715. josh b Have you tried looking through a barrier where you don’t already know what is on the inside?
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  3716.  @joshb1522  You know from biology lessons what lies beneath your skin and the human brain has potent imagination, especially under the influence of some drugs. Unless you can observe something of which you don't have prior knowledge you're not actually demonstrating anything. Occam's razor means hallucinating under the influence of a drug is a better explanation of what you saw; there is no need to call upon an unknown, unproven sense. If you wish to demonstrate such a sense really exists then you need to demonstrate that, not just settle on it as a nice explanation of what you saw.
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  3717. Jeff Bridges “all the evidence indicates it is flat” You haven’t produced any of this evidence, just summarily dismissed all evidence to the contrary.
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  3718. Jeff Bridges He’s asking for someone to prove Earth is a parabola.
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  3719. sitting bull Atmospheric refraction makes the sun & moon appear higher than they actually are; watching the progress of the sun prior to the eclipse demonstrates that. FE’rs just have great difficulty handling more than one variable at a time.
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  3720. It’s a log scale. The aim is to show the change in rate rather than numbers infected. A constant rate should produce a straight line; the curve indicates the rate of spread is declining.
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  3721. I don’t think so. Water expands below 4C so I would expect the forming ice would absorb it.
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  3722. jack mack Surface tension is part of the intermolecular attraction in all liquids. The slight polarity of water molecules means the attraction is stronger than most.
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  3723. FE’ers have problems thinking beyond one factor; his strategy is pointing to one factor and letting their brains not do the work.
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  3724.  @stylesrj Why do you think the existence of magnetic force disproves the existence of all other forces?
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  3725.  @stylesrj  Darn 🙁
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  3726.  @Oversear96  Why do you think the existence of magnetic force disproves the existence of all other forces?
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  3727.  @Oversear96  How large a displacement would you expect to see, how did you calculate that and what did you do to measure the displacement?
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  3728.  @Oversear96  No answer?
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  3729.  @Oversear96  An object NOT suspended between magnets would fall; what do you think that force is and why would it arbitrarily NOT apply when magnets are present? It doesn’t occur to you that there are numbers other than “big” and “nothing”? What’s your explanation for the Cavendish experiment, reproduced multiple times with similar results?
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  3730.  @FlatEarthKiller  Well, vanishing line. No surprisingly they can’t explain how a point would appear as a line, or who it doesn’t temain in the centre of your vision if you tilt your head or why it why would appear at few miles rather than an infinite distance or how it could make something disappear from the bottom up.
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  3731. Harvey tells me orherwise 😊
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  3732. You'll be looking a long time. There are plenty who think they are being scientific but they make the mistakes (or similar) that Dave just went through.
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  3733. You realise you aren’t obliged to watch it simply because YT starts playing it?
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  3734. You can’t; despite endless claims of zooming something back into view no FE’ers have produced a video of zooming the set sun back into view. They rely on objects small enough to pass beyond the limit of their visual acuity, incorrectly assume that distance is the horizon and pat themselves in the back when zooming the object back into view, ignoring thx fact it just disproved their assumption. On a FE you would be able to see several hundred miles before the view faded into atmospheric haze.
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  3735. That’s natural philosophy, not science.
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  3736. With or without jam?
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  3737. Captain ramius You need the equivalent of a visa to go; they are simple and cheap to obtain. Nobody is stopping from going so quite bellyaching and go.
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  3738. No.
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  3739. It's the sloshing effect caused by the Great A'Tuin's fins and the Third Law of Motion.
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  3740.  @tailwhipolaf  That doesn’t require a debate.
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  3741. Shot!
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  3742. Liberty Blueskyes Where are the holograms being projected from and by whom?
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  3743.  @ParanormalEncyclopedia  Unfortunately not; you're parodying people who believe they have a depth of insight on reality that would fuse Einstein's brain.
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  3744. Search by newest comments first.
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  3745. Релёкс84 They usually claim a dome is what keeps the atmosphere on Earth rather than gravity; with no gravity acting on the gases there would be equal pressure. They never explain why there isn’t.
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  3746.  The Mandalorian  She used to serve Noodle Pie?
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  3747. Bowaba Bowaba Gravity and scale. The air pressure very gradually diminishes with increasing altitude. As long as gravity’s downwards pull matches the impetus for gas to expand into lower pressure areas then everything stays in place.
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  3748. I don't think FE'ers are capable of thinking that far back.
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  3749.  @scionfr-s3255  Who’s saying that Earth is the only planet with life or that there are no Earth size planets?
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  3750.  @scionfr-s3255  Not yet finding an Earth-like planet and not yet finding life on other planets means exactly that; neither are a declaration that they don’t exist.
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  3751. Why is everything faked unless everybody in the world has personally checked it?
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  3752. Why exactly do you think it couldn’t be continuously observable for 12hrs? What exactly do you think would block the view and why? You consider yourself the thinker so you should be able to answer those questions easily.
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  3753. Val Izawesome Look up Asimov’s The Relativity of Wrong; it’s available on line.
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  3754. Val Izawesome I thought you might find it interesting. Hopefully there is a progression to greater accuracy as theories evolve or are replaced.
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  3755. You realise that (Covid-19 aside) it is possible to travel?
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  3756. I don’t suppose he said how he thought it could be any position other than close to the zenith?
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  3757.  @salramos3rd  The document is titled "Derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model". Why do you think concentrating on the maths for a linear aircraft model is inappropriate for a document dealing with linear aircraft maths?
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  3758. Their conmen gurus online.
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  3759.  David Smith  Where do you think that I inferred that?
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  3760.  @Lightmane  A powerful telescope isn’t going to remove dust from the atmosphere; you will still lose clarity with increasing distance and even in optimal conditions the haze would limit your distance to several hundred miles at most. It’s still a substantially greater distance than the record photograph but not being able to see that far doesn’t faze FE’ers.
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  3761. Slashthekitsune Everything is moving; an object’s motion is measured relative to a reference point which has to be arbitrarily declared “fixed”. In this case your position is the “fixed” point and you observe the sun moving relative to you.
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  3762. Also get her to look at Prof Dave’s earlier videos.
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  3763.  @memberofearth8481  For the speed the truck is moving at, the size & weight of the ball and the distance thrown the effect is negligible.
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  3764. To demonstrate to the guy's acolytes that their guru with the explanations & evidence couldn't produce anything.
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  3765. Scott Dixon You’re confusing eclipse and phase. The Earth casting a shadow on the moon is an eclipse. Half of the moon is lit by the sun; phases are caused by the change in our viewing angle as the moon orbits the Earth. On the FE models the phase would depend on where you were on Earth; different people would see different phases simultaneously.
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  3766. Trauma Based Mind Control The curve flattens out as it reaches the periphery of the lens and the other camera (conveniently not shown in the video) was simultaneously showing a clear curve in the centre of the picture. How do you think a hose pipe & rainbow at ground level proves a firmament? Think it through before answering. The sun can appear red because of the refraction in the atmosphere, something that increases when the light from the rising/setting sun is passing through more atmosphere to reach you. The sun itself does not change colour (you are not the one & only observer on Earth).
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  3767. Trauma Based Mind Control “seemed to admit” is the key phrase. To FE’ers some documents “seeming to admit” means far more than the opposite being clearly stated.
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  3768. See Prof Dave’s earlier videos on the subject. Running total of challenges met (or attempted) stands at zero.
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  3769. Regardless of how divinely-inspired the Bible may or may not be, it was committed to writing by people with a limited understanding of the world around them and very different ethics; their limitations impact on what they would write. It would be unwise to take it literally or assume accuracy.
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  3770.  @MrQuaiven  Just the one donkey IIRC and it did give the chap a shock so I assume it wasn't universal :-) I can't help but note that even the most ardent fundamentalists aren't even suggesting stoning people to death so the literalism does seem limited in scope.
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  3771. Out of sight, out of mind.
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  3772. Check the route on a globe rather than a 2D map of the globe; seeing it in 3D will make the answer obvious.
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  3773.  @gutenbird  You realise that there are only so many hours in a day?
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  3774.  @gutenbird  If second, third & fourth opinions from different mechanics tell you the same things then it's far more probable that is indeed what is wrong with your car rather than a conspiracy controlling the mechanics. When there is consensus among scientists it is similarly unlikely that there is a conspiracy to fool you. (If you're thinking of saying it then, no, government-funded does not mean we get instructions on what results to arrive at or that politicians are dictating what can be done.)
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  3775. I miss that option in Civilization… 😢
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  3776.  @adamrickett8865 But is the information accurate?
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  3777. No missing pieces in the middle.
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  3778.  @levenkay4468  Apparently the mind control only works if you first believe that the Earth is a globe.
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  3779.  @Adrian-10  Use height & distances and viewing angle to construct a right-angle triangle and check what a FE predicts.
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  3780.  @Adrian-10  Everybody is taught in school about calculating angles & distances with right-angle triangles but some people can't seem to grasp the information is applicable outside the classroom. Two distant FE'ers are able to use that trigonometry to calculate the height of the FE sun but they never do; they don't seem to realise that it can be done. Similarly you can use the claimed heights (plural), derived solely from single FE'ers eyeballing the sun and guessing, to calculate how low an angle the FE sun would actually sink at sunset (nowhere near the horizon).
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  3781.  @Adrian-10  I wasn't (intentionally) inferring you were a FE'er, just speaking of their lack of though and application.
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  3782.  @Krugis  Not even basic like triangles & sohcahtoa?
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  3783. It’s bigger than the tiny sphere FE’ers envisage.
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  3784. Venus.
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  3785. Dillon Wren That Venus currently has high temperatures does not mean it always did; indications are that it once was much cooler. There is water in its atmosphere that would have been liquid then. If he wants a planet with water then he doesn’t have to look far.
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  3786.  @pt3800  You’re confusing lunar phases with lunar eclipses. The latter are the Earth’s shadow. Phases are due to the moon’s orbit around Earth changing how much of the sunlit side of the moon we can see.
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  3787.  @pt3800  With the usual FE model of sun & moon inna horizontal circle above a flat surface, the lunar phases would have a 1 day cycle (not monthly) in the southern hemisphere, be either always lit or in a daily cycle in the northern hemisphere and the visible phase would alter with your location. It’s why the gurus don’t want people to think about it.
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  3788. Ralphj 2050 Grope for invisible wired while heading to the air locks to prove it’s a film set.
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  3789. The deviation from a perfect sphere is negligible.
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  3790. All the way down :-)
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  3791. ApolloandWarrior _ Canute was trying to prove he couldn’t hold the tide back; I hope the kid was in the same frame of mind.
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  3792. They’re quite agreed that they are flat/spherical/amorphous.
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  3793.  @batboylives  You think that the existence of language means reality doesn’t exist?
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  3794.  @batboylives  You think interviews on television are the sum total of scientific output?
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  3795. Obviously the people arriving at the far side were body doubles that NASA had had in the works for decades, planting American agents in foreign countries to raise their kids in preparation 🙂
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  3796. It’s based ob the assumption that in a world of 8bn people there is only one observer.
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  3797. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988
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  3798. The Discworld novels use Hubwards & Rimwards thought I suspect that won’t help.
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  3799.  @totalpissing  The shape of the Earth is irrelevant to abrahamic religion; the sky & ground exist regardless of the shape. The OT was written by people who still assumed the Earth was flat (they predated the ancient Greek philosophers) and that is reflected in how they expressed some things but no doctrine requires the Earth go be flat.
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  3800. Limericks about the tree in the Quad at Berkeley University. There once was a man who said "God Must think it exceedingly odd If he finds that this tree Continues to be When there's no one about in the Quad." Dear Sir, Your astonishment's odd. I am always about in the Quad. And that's why the tree Will continue to be Since observed by Yours faithfully, God
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  3801.  @dangagnon367  "the sun size should not vary 10-50 times in size as it does from various places on our planet" It doesn't. The glare (diffusion of the light as it travels through the atmosphere) varies according to the ambient weather; if you wish to measure the angular diameter of the sun you need a solar filter on your camera. "THE EARTH IS MUCH CLOSER TO US AS IN THE FLAT EARTH MODEL" Shouting doesn't make any you correct. If it were that close then the angular velocity woudl vary markedly during the course of the day and it doesn't. "Each and every proof for the contrary is rubbish and easily debunked!" Se FE'ers keep saying but none of you can actually do that.
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  3802.  @trygveblacktiger597  During that period the Church was one of the main sources of educated people in Europe.
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  3803. You’re confusing the scientific meaning with the vernacular.
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  3804. XuCh Sun Some say it is an endless plane, some a free floating disc, some an endless column; the one thing they agree upon is that they agree on which.
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  3805. corslyn Why would acceleration giving 1xg crush you?
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  3806. It was deduced from the motion if the sun, horizon, angle to Polaris and eclipses two centuries prior to Eratosthenes.
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  3807. Iosefa Andrews https://www.biorxiv.org
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  3808. How far you can be see is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction. FE’ers can’t think beyond curvature. With some unusual atmospheric conditions mirages occur temporarily enabling people to see further than normal. FE’ers can’t comprehend that.
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  3809.  @vincentmcardell8183  Be novel and say what those flaws are.
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  3810.  @vincentmcardell8183  You explain why you think that either A. Atmospheric refraction doesn’t exist Or B. Why you think atmospheric refraction wouldn’t affect how far we can see.
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  3811.  @vincentmcardell8183  Explain how you think the distance seen from the same location varies?
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  3812.  @vincentmcardell8183  None of which answers my question. In terms of the motion of the Earth it is the application of Occam’s Razor. If the Earth is in motion then there are no motions of other bodies that have to be accounted for by unknown phenomena. If somebody wishes to postulate these unknown phenomena are determining what we see then they need to provide a hypothesis for what they are otherwise it remains a purely philosophical discussion. If you wish to postulate that atmospheric refraction is not responsible for the variation we observe then the onus is on you to provide a reasonable hypothesis, not on other people to go looking for a undefined cause that nobody has yet found.
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  3813.  @vincentmcardell8183  Which still doesn’t answer my question. We’re in the wrong forum for this discussion. This one is frequented by FE’ers who conclude any limitation to a scientific theory (however correct it may be philosophically) as sound reason to dismiss any theory they don’t like and assert their own must be right regardless of how madcap, readily disprovable or vague it is. Current alternatives to atmospheric refraction are “something else” and “atmospheric lensing” (requiring microdroplets to form lenses surrounding and peculiar to each individual). That is why people here seem dogmatic.
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  3814.  @MfnStarboy  You're describing a solar eclipse and the moon's silhouette, not the lunar eclipse we're talking about. If you do mean a lunar eclipse then explain how the sun manages to reach the moon's without being seen and while remaining in clear sight on the other side of the Earth.
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  3815.  @MfnStarboy  If the moon is transparent why can't we stars through it? How does it block the sun in a solar eclipse? If the sun is a reflector that somehow won't reflect radio signals then what is the original source of the light and why can't we see that directly? "ok im not going to be going back and forth." Then don't claim to have the explanations. "ship horizon effect - sight limit, perspective, and atmospheric distortion." Your eyes are passive receptors; they detect any light that reaches them regardless of the distance travelled. They are not active receptors so there is no "sight limit". Perspective does not explain why objects would disappear from the bottom up much less explain why the effect only happens only with objects sitting on the horizon. If it was atmospheric distortion then the view would vary with changes in atmospheric conditions and would not be limited to objects sitting on the horizon. As I said before, this is your chance to be the first to provide the explanations so many of you claim to possess.
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  3816. Stephan Reid When your “explanation” is full of holes that you can’t answer it isn’t a plausible explanation.
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  3817.  @MfnStarboy  "You ask questions, I provide answers" "i have shown you the way. " You haven't provided any rational answers; you want the moon to be both opaque & transparent and the sun to be reflecting light from source that isn't emitting light to reflect. If you were thinking critically you would have noticed. With FE experiments it doesn't require much thought to determine where they are screwing up, much like your supposed explanations. Denying curvature can be demonstrated is wishful thinking on your part; it'a not difficult to demonstrate with sticks & shadows. "Each of those 10 things have an explanation" Try providing some rational explanations instead of heading off into the "do the research" knee-jerk.
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  3818.  @MfnStarboy  Buy or borrow a theodolite and check long distances. While you're waiting, go back to https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ and try thinking.
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  3819. Stephan Reid You need a minimum of three sticks to distinguish flat from globe. The measured trajectories need to intersect at a single point, the position of the sun. All attempts indicate a globe; assuming a flat Earth leads to multiple two trajectory intersections but no common intersection.
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  3820. Stephan Reid You would measure the Earth’s curvature by noting the angle of the sun at its zenith. Noting the change in angle with time is for determine rotation and does indicate a constant 15 degrees per hour that you would not see from a FE sun.
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  3821.  @MfnStarboy  You haven't debunked anything, just demonstrated your inability to distinguish between two different experiments even after it has been pointed out to you.
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  3822.  @gdplayer1062  Ellipsoid but oblate spheroid is a better description. Either way, the deviation from a perfect sphere is so minute that it’s a moot point when discussing the difference between sphere & plane.
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  3823. Explanation rather than conjecture; the latter would refer specifically to hypotheses.
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  3824. Not since Elmer Fudd caught up with him.
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  3825.  Crickett  6. I’ve asked umpteen times; no answers.
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  3826. They noted the periodicity of the events and calculated from that; they did not model the solar system.
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  3827. jenbill1602 The smoking guns have changed but it’s the same abysmal reasoning, if at all.
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  3828. kowalski2015 Your OP was a bit ambiguous; while the video could have included that point it didn’t fail to demonstrate that the observed moon contradicts a FE.
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  3829. S 2 da 685 11.12.11 You can see the stars rotate in the course of the night and which constellations are viable each night gradually changing over the course of the year. The Earth spinning is not going to rearrange the stars or flip the Earth over.
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  3830. Sidonie Winter Pasternak Asking FE’ers to explain themselves is silencing them?
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  3831.  @Clarityandwisdom33  There aren't any FE models per se to examine, just multiple assertions that are mutually incompatible and frequently don't predict observable reality, the sun setting while never passing 20 degrees above the horizon. They make claims of a universal down, ignoring the experiments that demonstrate gravity acting horizontally between two masses. They don't find it necessary to explain how the sun & moon remain above a FE (or move). The best they can ever come up with is objects spontaneously accelerating downwards for no apparent reason (except for sun & moon and helium balloons for reasons never specified); some are adamant there is no force involved though they won't explain why a falling weight could have a forceful impact on their toe. In terms of a universe, if everything observable of world is acting by the same set of physics constants there is no coherent reason to assume Earth would be magically different.
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  3832.  @Clarityandwisdom33  "what flat earthers need is video proof" Which they would promptly dismiss as fake because it just gotta be.
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  3833. The Sydney-Santiago flights were suspended during Covid. Since passenger traffic is still down the current flight is Auckland-Santiago. The Sydney-Santiago flights should resume later this year.
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  3834.  @stgnsw  Latam, 10/Jun, about 4pm
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  3835. Since they realised that continuous acceleration leads to an endlessly increasing velocity they’ve started claiming that density makes objects though they remain extremely reluctant to explain how.
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  3836.  @striveforsuccessstudysmart3509  Failing to comprehend scale is a recurrent problem with the FE'ers posting here so it gets picked up on quickly.
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  3837. Samuel Rowbotham went off on a religious anti-science bender because he saw science as undermining Christianity. That the shape of the Earth had been established before Christianity existed didn't seem to be important, just that it was seen as unscientific as possible.
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  3838.  @stylesrj  Washington Irving getting overly dramatic in his biography of Columbus and the myth snowballing from there (no pun intended).
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  3839. "The truth is that we don't know where we live" https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ "The flat earth side has some valid points" Which are...? "if you fall for all the lies and Pics that NASA gives you" NASA is not the world's only space agency; it wasn't even the first. Their pictures have the same content as everybody else's. The conspiracy twits can't up with any legitimate explanation of what they think is wrong with the pictures, just idiocy that can't understand how a camera works on or grasp that there is more than one altitude. "They lied about going to the moon" Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  3840. Specific gravity is the ratio of the density of one substance compared to the density of a standard; nothing to do with gravitational force and better called relative density to avoid confusion. Both are derived from the Latin for weight.
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  3841.  @harpo3196  That relates to your OP how..?
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  3842. Anthony Harper Your confusing local gravity with specific gravity; that is why I said it’s better to use the term relative density when referring to the latter to avoid this confusion.
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  3843.  @tonk2629  I was referring to the FE notions that sun & moon move in horizontal circles and that everything moves in a circle around the Earth.
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  3844.  @tonk2629  Quite.
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  3845.  @dogefactor5746  You think Tonk proved a FE by pointing out why a FE doesn’t make sense?
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  3846.  @dogefactor5746  My wife’s schedule has to match those of colleagues who have kids; since I can’t drive mind has go match hers. You do realise that I am not a FE’er? I pointed out their current belief about the sun’s path to help someone and Tonk misunderstood me.
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  3847. bodean2000 The space shuttle needed to finish in orbit, moving parallel to the Earth’s surface. Since making a right angle turn is not practical or fuel efficient, changing direction in the upper atmosphere from straight up to an arc is the most practical route.
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  3848.  @JustDorkyMe17  The questions have been answered for me. “How is this possible?” is a reasonable question; basing a conclusion on personally not knowing the answer is not. When the answers to both questions are readily available online and FE’ers keep insisting there are no answers then I can say with reasonable certainty that they don’t check for answers.
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  3849. Alexander Great Why not try it yourself? https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ There’s umpteen debunks of Dubay/Rowbotham’s claim floating around; Google is not difficult to use. Perhaps you would like to explain, funded in 1958, was funding the ancient Greeks and every bit of science since?
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  3850. Everybody sneezes and coughs, dealing with minor irritants we continuously encounter. Breathing alone expels moisture.
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  3851. You seem quite gullible. Have you thought about actually checking what some people tell you?
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  3852. Jim Jimery Humour. Meanwhile https://gisgeography.com/wgs84-world-geodetic-system/
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  3853.  @brucetrappleton6984  That the phases are caused by the Earths shadow is a common misconception. The phases oftheFE moon would depend on where you were standing, contradicting the reality of everybody seeing the same phase.
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  3854.  @brucetrappleton6984  I was explaining why Yuki assumed that you were, not suggesting that you had.
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  3855.  @Mathematiqs  The most recent one I conversed with didn't find phases relevant to the subject of the moon's illumination. (No explanation why since that would be irrelevant.)
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  3856.  @mickalinjezerx7104  The question is whether a falling tree makes a noise if there is nobody to observe it.
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  3857.  @ericb3157  Murder rather than kill. The folks of those times had (to us) strange ideas as to what was justifiable killing.
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  3858. Like put a pole in the ground and track the 15 degrees per hour change in the direction of the shadow?
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  3859.  @liviekumori  What do you think we do in labs?
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  3860.  @liviekumori  Put a pole in the ground and track the direction of the shadow. The globe predicts a constant 15 degrees per hour, the FE a variable rate that is markedly greatest at noon.
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  3861.  @liviekumori  Do you mean a scientific experiment that actually tests the FE, one of the botch jobs by FE’ers or FE’ers actually executing a competent experiment?
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  3862. Only penguins.
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  3863. Heinrich Bosch So what are the errors?
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  3864. Since the moon is distant half the Earth can see the moon at any given time.
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  3865. What prompts an animate substance to look for something and how does it go about it?
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  3866. Depends which holographic projection you’re looking at 😊
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  3867. Conservation of momentum; the plane on the ground moves eastwards with the Earth & atmosphere. It retains that momentum when it takes off, the same way a thrown ball continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand.
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  3868. Gain of function in this context would be selectively “breeding” a virus so it can infect a new species for the simple reason that rodents are easier to house & breed. It’s a matter of convenience, not malevolence.
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  3869. No but they did shut up about FE.
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  3870. The court case dealt with contract law, not the shape of the Earth.
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  3871. That something is unfalsifiable does not make it true.
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  3872. So far: A. To fool people. B. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent God. C. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond Antarctica. D. To establish total mind control.
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  3873. You totally miss the point of 3:04
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  3874. The Earth has a constant gravity at its surface; how strong the attraction is with an object depends on the object’s mass with the result that the greater the objects mass, the more it weighs.
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  3875.  @MJameson76 Minus 60-80C is the winter temperature for Antarctica.
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  3876. Teri Ross Youte not going to think about what Nathan said?
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  3877.  @ericb3157 Somebody has to make them…
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  3878.  @martingregor9173  Jenner worked on a smallpox vaccine in the 1790's. The Salk vaccine was developed in 1952 and entered field trials in 1954. Bill Gates was born in 1955. Explain what role you think he played developing these vaccines.
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  3879. To try and get meaningful answers from them?
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  3880. Brian Fletcher Why do you think angling a camera downwards wouldn’t make something appear higher?
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  3881. Russell Anderson The vast majority of the signal isn’t reflected due to dissipation en route to the moon& back.
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  3882.  @dancerelle5020  It was a joke; if he wasn't the best pirate he wouldn't be Captain or the chief villain. Your eyes are passive receptors; they detect the light that reaches them regardless of how far it has travelled. How far away you can see something is dependent on how large it is and whether there is anything blocking the view; the existence of one factor does not magically preclude the other. An object can become too small to see with the unaided eye long before it reaches the horizon. Being able to zoom in at that point tells you nothing of what happens once it reaches the horizon. The sun undoubtedly sets behind the horizon; at no point does an object maintaining a constant angular diameter become too far away to see. No FEer has managed to zoom the set sun back into view. All you need to do to prove you can is to actually do it.
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  3883.  @dancerelle5020  How far away you can see something depends on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone. That is why lighthouses are towers or built in high locations: to get the light well above sea level and increase distance that they are visible.
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  3884.  @dancerelle5020  What $100 offer?
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  3885.  @dancerelle5020  if a person is standing at sea level then an object BEGINS to disappear over the horizon. The exact distance depends on how far above sea level their eyes are and the ambient refraction, not just curvature.
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  3886.  @dancerelle5020  Describe your experiment.
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  3887. Irritating when you've spent time putting in an explanation.
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  3888. You need more than two to distinguish between a globe & FE. However if you specify using three or more then you just get a kneejerk “won’t work” response anyway; numbers pass them by. With one stick you can demonstrate the sun moving at 15 degrees per hour simply by tracking the shadow but that seems too complicated for them.
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  3889. Great Scott!
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  3890.  @MH-ty1gk  Keyword being estimate; if you want an accurate number then all the factors have to be taken into account.
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  3891.  @squatchy_J The sun has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees; it can be well belie the horizin for twilight to have ended before Venus sets.
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  3892. Tony O Reilly Stultus; you just don’t realise it.
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  3893. Do spiders and cars have comparable masses?
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  3894. Watch his next video on the subject 😊
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  3895.  @ProfessorDaveExplains  It would satisfy those who are peering down the rabbit hole but those who've jumped down it are are not fazed when you point out conflicts with observable reality and aren't susceptible to being prompted to consider the simple questions that they should have asked in the first place.
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  3896.  @truthfullattic8921  It has to be paid for somehow.
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  3897.  @truthfullattic8921  Personnel, buildings, equipment, medication: all have to be paid for somehow. It can be done through taxes or by direct payment but the money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is people. You can have free access to point of service but it still has to be paid for.
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  3898.  @petroleumalley  From the electoral bumpf coming through the door a few months it is amazing what qualifies as socialism in the US.
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  3899.  @truthfullattic8921  Heating, lighting, water, electricity, cleaning, maintenance.... One person; one protestor was killed, three died from medical conditions.
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  3900.  @truthfullattic8921  If you don't get facts straight then you will be no better than the people on Q-Anon. Pointing out incorrect assertions is not supporting or condoning their actions. If you wish to make knowingly incorrect assertions then take "Truth" out of your moniker.
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  3901.  @truthfullattic8921  How on Earth did you misconstrue what I said to be support for Q-Anon?
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  3902.  @truthfullattic8921  I didn’t. I pointed out the disparity between your chosen moniker and your approach to facts.
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  3903.  @ruor1984  It would be the Libertarians in the US. Liberals in Britain are all in favour of state intervention; there’s something contradictory in the term liberal these days.
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  3904.  @truthfullattic8921  And I thought I was using it for anonymity....
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  3905.  @Lilnasty-jo3dc  How does density acts as force and why in a consistent direction? What causes weight? Gravity's existence is long proven: https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 I doubt a butterfly weighs the same as an ocean. Do you expend the same effort lifting every object regardless of weight? Given a 25,000 mile circumference globe, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find? NASA is not the only or the first space agency and the Earth was demonstrated to be a sphere over 2 millenia before the US was created. Try actually reading those ARL docs. (Yes, we've seen them.)
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  3906.  @Lilnasty-jo3dc  I gave you the link to the paper that demonstrated gravity; what do you find wrong with the methodology? A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. You can't dismiss it as just gotta be wrong. "curvature can’t be found on earth! " We have the whole globe mapped. How much curvature do you need to find to be satisfied that curvature exists? "I have seen land out at sea over 50 miles away" This FE inability to understand how elevation & atmospheric refraction play a significant role in how far you can see, not just curvature. "I have eyes and a brain to see and test things" What experiments have you done? "The Bible tells us it’s laid out and sets on pillars and has 4 corners and God said the earth can not move!" I suppose that answers my previous question.
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  3907. Not a lot.
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  3908. Different radiation and the point is actually no space-based missiles.
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  3909. adam ek It’s more like 50 face-palming claims; it doesn’t require much mental effort to realise they don’t hold any eater. When the cowboys ride off into the setting sun they become smaller but remain fully visible while the sun remains the same size and disappears from the bottom up. Explain why you think this is the same effect. Sports pitches are cambered to provide drainage. If you think the human appeared 20bn years ago then you evidently have no understand of the basic principles of evolution.
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  3910. adam ek You realise that evolution affects all life forms and is evident from genomic sequencing?
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  3911. Ibrahim Zobir What determines the directions of up & down?
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  3912.  @A15degreeperhourdrift  I think that should be aimed at the OP.
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  3913. Amp?
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  3914.  @orenshuuofficial2568  "someone just give me an answer" Your original question was unintelligible. Try asking more clearly. The closest part of Russia to Alaska is Siberia, one of the more inhospitable and thus unpopulated regions on Earth. Few people are going to be travelling from there, few people would be happy with a forced landing in such an area.
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  3915. "doesn't happen, doesn't happen, I've never done it so that proves it!!!!!"
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  3916.  @emanseven8826  "science is fake" And yet you are commenting....
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  3917.  @JohnnysCafe_  Which flat earth page?
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  3918. Or communication between conspiracy theorists. If they seriously believe they are constructing a correct model then communication is vital.
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  3919. Because they keep coming up with the same claims, repeatedly have the fallacies pointed out to them and keep making those claims. https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Morton%27s_demon
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  3920. Another box....
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  3921.  @Flexible_photon  Poe’s law.
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