Comments by "Flook D" (@flookd5516) on "Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 3: Airplanes" video.

  1. Neither is your comment if you can’t say why.
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  2.  @boterlettersukkel  Why waste the energy kicking them out - let them open the airlock on their own while trying to prove there's a studio outside.
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  3. You realise that planes require fuel and have both a maximum range & speed?
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  4. @Captain Charisma A laser gyroscope demonstrates rotation; Globebusters were kind enough to demonstrate while trying to prove it didn't. Stellar parallax indicates that the Earth is in an orbit; the orbital time and the dimensions of the orbit are what determine the speed. "NASA admitted they're composite" One particular photo composed from shots taken from LEO. FE'ers naturally conclude that every picture ever ever ever taken just gotta be a composite, including shots taken in a single frame on an analogue camera.
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  5. A globe has a consistent scale. Projections of the globe onto a flat surface creates distortion and an inconsistent scale. A flat map of a flat surface would have no such distortion and thus a consistent scale.
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  6. The globe is the true map; you’re getting confused with the 2D projections of the globe. Why would the Ascent Modules require a lifting platform? Why would they require a platform to land on? What would stop them landing on the ground?
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  7. Oblation is about 20 miles off a 7,800 diameter; it’s not a difference that leaps out at you.
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  8. Down is towards the centre of Earth’s mass, ie, towards the centre of the globe, not towards a horizontal plane “below” the south pole.
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  9. So far nobody has put forward any evidence that they do fake their videos, just make uninformed judgements about what they are looking at.
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  10. Why would being prepared to think mean you would have to arrive at a different conclusion to everyone else?
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  11. The path is an arc when the globe is projected onto a 2D surface; it is straight A to B on a 3d globe. A to B on c a FE map is beyond a plane’s operational range & speed. You need to explain how that flight works on a FE.
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  12. “a plane would never reach his destination” Unless of course the atmosphere was moving with Earth, as could be caused by billions of years of friction.
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  13. So many people claim to be able to do that but none have yet produced the evidence.
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  14.  @titan9259 Science proves it how?
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  15. Why would any flight need you cross Antarctica when it doesn’t lie on the shortest direct routes between the southern continents?
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  16. Be novel and explain the flight.
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  17.  @anonimoactornauta7858  Do you want to explain how the flight is possible?
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  18. Yet again? Why? When are FE'ers going to explain flights further south?
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  19. Gravitational attraction is towards the centre of the Earth. Gravity keeps liquid in the bottom of an upright container and keeps water attached to the Earth’s surface. Still waiting in FE’ers to explain what they think would pull water off a globe Earth. The Earth’s circumference is 25,000 miles; a contain 59 miles across would have 1 degree of curvature across the water’s surface. How much would you expect to see and why?
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  20.  @lucettebourdon9141  Laser beams are subject to levelling error , beam dispersion and atmospheric refraction. They’re not going to work the magic you think simply because you want the above ignored.
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  21.  @ministermartynas7569  I asked you questions about what you claim to have figured out; why don't you answer them if you have the answers? "thousands of years prove Biblical authority" Thousands of years of confirmation bias and selective interpretation but no proof.
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  22. No, they failed to find evidence of luminiferous aether.
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  23. @Harry Woods One revolution per day is nit going to generate much electricity. Rivers flow from high elevation to low elevation, not north to south. There is no top or bottom to a sphere when down is simply towards the centre of the sphere; north is put at the “top” out of convention.
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  24. Observation & reasoning alone is natural philosophy rather than science.
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  25. One week with 130+ comments and Espin Aslpar deletes the thread?
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  26. Let’s start with the video then go from there.
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  27. Look at the route in a 3D globe, not on a 2D map of the globe.
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  28. How do you think different areas on one solid object could move at different rpm?
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  29.  @lucettebourdon9141  Thinking logically has the immediate perquisite of being willing to think. You haven’t even figured out how to calculate degrees curvature per distance.
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  30. Some are trolls, some are not - don't assume everybody falls into one category.
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  31.  @ministermartynas7569  Principles are not facts. You said the modules wouldn’t work; I’m again asking for your reasoning. Still waiting on someone to publish evidence of cables; to date they’re arrows pointing into thin air and “just gotta be” claims.
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  32. Why is the flight distance being beyond the plane's capability on a FE not a good point?
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  33.  @christopherschmidlin2394  He has a video posing 10 challenges for FE'ers; why can none of you meet any of them? Do you want to try?
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  34. @Nature The Earth is substantially larger than a submarine and consequently as the gravity to hold the gas down.
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  35. Giving a flight number, flight time and the distance covered is not science.
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  36. What would cause this wind exactly?
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  37. You mean the Telectroscope. It's cameras, projectors & fibre-optics; no telescope involved.
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  38. You have no answer either then?
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  39. And your explanation for this flight is….?
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  40. Start with his original video in ghe astronomy section. He’s scathing because he’s had a lot of insults & venom thrown at him but no explanations for gge simplest questions from the people who profess to have the Real Answers.
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  41. What’s the delay?
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  42. What do you envisage to be pulling water off the globe Earth?
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  43.  @therealxnosis  I only asked you a question; no answer?
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  44.  @michaelhawk3861  NY and London are both in the northern hemisphere; the video is about Perth to Santiago in the southern hemisphere, a far greater distance on a FE map but within range on a globe. Explain how you think it feasible on a FE.
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  45. What make you think a nuclear reactor is a closed system?
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  46. The ocean floors lack variation in elevation; they don’t lack curvature.
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  47. The stars change with latitude & season and there are two celestial poles.
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  48.  @steventripp4530  Down is towards the centre of the globe. It’s not a difficult concept to grasp.
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  49.  @jeremiehumphrey9311  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles - all verifiable by any body, all indicative of a globe and we are still waiting on FE’ers to produce their (workable) explanations.
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  50. There’s a boat race that circles Antarctica and that doesn’t satisfy FE’ers.
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  51. The zeros on the end of 25,000 have significance.
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  52. I hope that is a joke…
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  53. Those are indirect flights where you connect between a series of short hop flights as a seat-filler. Yiy need yo look up direct flights (zero stops).
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  54. Currently curtailed because of COVID; flights resume in December. Dave shows a screenshot from a flight check; he checked it when he made the video.
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  55. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses, all if which you can verify for yourself.
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  56. What exactly did you expect to see of curvature for a 25,000 mile circumference? Your body is not sensitive to motion, just acceleration & rotation; you infer motion from your senses. You aren’t going to feel one rotation per day. Do none of you stop to consider your body’s capabilities or think about scale?
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  57. You’re making the mistake of viewing Earth’s curvature as a hill above a horizontal plane.
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  58. This is the 7th in the series as I recall. FE’er keep insisting they have the answers to everything but just keep repeating what was debunked early in the series. They have bent over backwards to demonstrate how dumb they are while still insisting they have the answers.
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  59. No. A stationary plane moves with the Earth; inertia means it retains that momentum when it takes off, the plane’s engines modifying the momentum slightly.
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  60.  @ministermartynas7569  Which still doesn't make them facts. "modules are venues that have intent of commercial advertisement, not of whole truth but rather experimental fund." Stop smoking weed.
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  61. Explain how you think NASA was manipulating the ancient Greeks.
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  62. How do you think we could successfully navigate land & sea day in, day out without an accurate map to do so? Start by looking up “GPS co-ordinates” rather than “globe map”. The physical shape is WGS84 rather than a perfect sphere but for most intents & purposes there is negligible difference.
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  63. Produce the working FE map. So many of you claim to possess a copy so why can’t any of you produce one?
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  64. Have you seen your brain?
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  65. Same curvature as any sphere: 360 degrees around the circumference in any direction. How does this flight operate on a FE?
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  66.  @RB..1  "Nice that we don’t feel it." The body is sensitive to changes in velocity (acceleration, deceleration) but not velocity itself.
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  67.  @lAlwaysHopel Look down.
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  68.  @lAlwaysHopel  On the direct flight (this one) you see sea most of the way. On the indirect flights there is land a good amount of the time. The existence of indirect flights does not preclude the existence of direct flights.
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  69. A form of mirage causing limited inversion just above the water. It isn't going to make a ship disappear. The person claiming it is just banking on people making a mental shortcut when presented with two things happening simultaneously.
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  70. They insist compasses only point north rather than align with the magnetic field so they just follow the arrow. No explanation yet forthcoming how southerly courses would converge on a FE.
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  71. The stars are very very distant and moving in the sane general direction as the sun. It takes 10,000’s of years for there to be a change on constellations that is readily perceptible to the eye. Measurable changes occur; professional star charts need updating regularly. The Earth’s rotational axis has a “wobble” with a 20,000 year period. Which star is on the axis not going to change overnight. Thuban used to be pole star before Polaris, which itself is gradually drifting.
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  72. How far you can see is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. FE’ers have a serious inability to comprehend more than one factor. That includes the inability to grasp that there can be more than one reason why you can’t see something, eg, your line of sight being physically blocked and something being too small to see. Byrd was explicit about he did & saw; the whole interview is available on YT, not just the selectively edited or misquoted ones. Now your turn: explain thus flight on a FE.
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  73. Have you considered dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles?
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  74. I've had one telling me that we have personal star tunnels.
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  75. Since the sun is part of the galaxy then it is moving in the same general direction as other stars, which make up the constellations you see. The difference in velocity is minimal and the visible stars tend to be 10-1000 light years away so changes in constellations take 10,000's tears to be apparent to the eye. The Earth's orbit is only 17 light minutes; the stellar parallax on the nearest stars is such that you would notice a difference if you measured their position 6 months apart.
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  76. The atmosphere rotates with Earth; the planes exhibit conservation of momentum when they take off.
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  77. Search for direct flights, not any flight.
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  78. Level means parallel to the ground regardless of whether it is curved or flat while a straight course on s globe will appear curved when projected into a 2D surface.
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  79. Project a curved surface onto a flat one and you get distortion. The southern dip is that distortion.
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  80. As in the tree in the quad?
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  81. To get to the other side.
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  82. Still waiting for any FE’er to actually counter it. Want to try?
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  83. Flights go via Santiago. There are too few people flying between Australia & South America for multiple direct destinations to be economically feasible.
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  84. Why do you think everything has the same weight?
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  85.  @petroleumalley  Trying to look up globe map specifically always leads to projections rather than a 3D model so I can understand his confusion.
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  86. They fly shorter routes to cover up the distance being far greater?
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  87. Start with his original video in his astronomy section and progress chronologically. By this point he’s had a year of the same erroneous claims, non-explanations and copious insults from the Thinkers.
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  88. How many cameras do you need?
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  89. Normally there would be an SAA direct flight from Johannesburg to Sao Paulo. Covid restrictions meant reduced traffic and many long distance routes were suspended because there were too few travellers for them to be economical, including that flight. Most people would travel on indirect routes, ie., through a sequence of separate flights, each operating on a heavily used route. The Sydney to Santiago flight remains relevant even if Johannesburg to Sao Paulo isn't flying.
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  90.  @mickraybam6012  They assume time zones and local time are synonymous and thus the sun would need to hop across the sky if Earth was a sphere. No explanation forthcoming for why they would work on a FE.
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  91. What are you saying is wrong exactly: the flights existence, the recollection of the people who have taken the flight, their watches, the maximum speed, the fuel consumption etc. You need to be more specific and provide evidence to back your claim.
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  92.  @bigbzylo5777  That sounds like the Real Model, Real Evidence, Real Physics etc. All readily available but nobody can say where or describe them.
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  93.  @Rapture777-now  There are two propossd FE explanations for the sun. One camp has it orbiting vertically, above & below the FE but they never explain why there isn’t a universal rise & set rather than tome zones. The currently favoured suggestion is a horizontal motion where the FE sun stays up for no reason at a height that is immeasurable for no reason, moves for no reason, moves in & out for no reason, changes speed for no reason, illuminates a limited area for no reason, produces long southern hemisphere days somehow, rises & sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon, grows & shrinks in apparent while maintaining a constant apparent size and somehow maintains a constant angular velocity for every observer in total disregard for the perspective they talk about so much. A solar system has every planet moving in regular and predictable orbit with no occasional backwards movement for no apparent reason. Using that maths we have been able to accurately send probes through the solar system. The distance to the sun is measurable and measured through several approaches. The stars ate extremely distant and moving in the same general direction of the sun as the galaxy rotates. Change in position would require 10,000s year to be apparent to the unaided eye (the FE favoured method) as altered constellations but the small changes from year to year are measurable & measured. Star charts need to be updated every 10 years or so. A parallax effect is observable with the nearest stars, indicating that the Earth is in motion, in an orbit around the sun. FEers prefer a disc shape or an infinite plane, generally ignoring the concept of four corners. None have done anything to check Antarctica, ice wall or dome.
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  94.  @steventripp4530  A level indicates the direction of down in that locale. Why do you think they dictate a Universal Down?
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  95. The FE is demonstrably not so; it is disprovable and long since disproved. The existence of a deity is undisprovable; there is no way to establish the answer either way.
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  96.  @jeraldsmith7778  I have FE’ers confidently telling me that digital cameras & Photoshop and even 1960’s photos are CGI so I have no confidence that even a FE’er who knows what the abbreviation is understands what CGI is. Do you want to try answering?
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  97. @Flamenkindi Explain how you think saltiness would make water slosh backwards & forwards. "On the biggest freshwater lakes of our world there is not a single millimeter of tide" Except there is. You do understand the difference between a metre and a millimetre? You don't seem to grasp the concept of volume too well. Lakes are shallow compared to seas & oceans. Displacement of water in a lake from shallow to shallow isn't going to lead to large tides. Displacement of water in a sea from deep to shallow means a larger volume of water moves on the shallow area and you observe a significant tide. "a supposed rotation which exists only in the imagination of the globes believers" Globebusters demonstrated rotation with their laser gyroscope (thanks, Bob). That you don't get dizzy on one rotation per day does not mean there is no rotation.
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  98. @Flamenkindi "the idea of the globe was born with Copernicus" Copernicus proposed a heliocentric system. That the Earth was a sphere had been recognised for 2000 years, a spherical Earth being the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic model that the heliocentric model displaced.
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  99. @Flamenkindi "What does your gravity do in these cases?" Difficult as it is for FE'ers to grasp. there can be more than one factor acting at a time. The universe is not magically limited to one factor at a time, just your brains.
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  100. The plane travels relative to the air, not relative to the ground.
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  101. A direct line between Sydney and Santiago on a FE would be beyond the flight range if the aircraft. You are suggesting they take a curved path that would be longer still yet still somehow arriving as if in the much shorter time of a globe.
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  102. Debunking is easy; persuading some of them they have been debunked is another matter.
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  103. Yet another Vendée race just completed.
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  104. Open a dictionary.
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  105. Brazil. Such conflicts don’t bother Thinkers.
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  106. The same was said of the Intelligent Design proponents who ended up on school boards changing school curriculums.
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  107. You can and people do; to obtain a permit you do need to demonstrate that you know what you are doing (it's inhospitable to put it mildly), are suitable equipped (no rescue service) and are not going to litter the place while you're there.
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  108. How many people need to isolate & sequence the virus to satisfy that someone has isolated & sequenced the virus?
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  109. Projecting a 3D shape (globe surface) onto a 2D surface (a map that handily folds & rolls) creates distortion. What is a direct line across the surface of the globe is distorted into an arc on a 2D projection.
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  110. No rebuttal to the flight in the video? Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude - all verifiable by anybody and all indicative of a globe. You can measure it with sticks & shadows.
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  111.  @_Alhemist  "There are probes filled with helium" What would they be if not balloons? Be exact. What makes you think the GPS transmissions don't contain a time signal?
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  112.  @deltatransports6131  Have you considered reading the full sentence in the document you are attempting to quote? Have you even bothered to look at why they are making all those assumptions? "I thought I did you a favor by posting ..." We've all heard it before. We bothered reading all that was written; we looked at the purpose of the paper. You're just the latest in a long line of people who can't be arsed to read beyond a few words. "I can debunk all of the dumb stuff he said." That's what you said originally and is what people were asking you to do. Try doing it.
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  113.  @deltatransports6131  We’ve all seen the document you’re referring to. Read the whole sentence.
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  114. It still amazes me that FE’ers think that butterflies and oceans have the same mass.
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  115. If the distances remained the same then it should be easy to make a functioning FE map. Where is it? What do you expect curvature to look like on the photographs?
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  116. If your flight is cancelled then your money us refunded or credited; where’s the profit exactly? How do they fake shorter flights for long distances?
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  117. Both hemispheres rotate eastwards; I assume you mean the apparent rotation of stars. That is a matter if your orientation to the rotational axis. If you watch a car drive then the wheels move in one direction viewed from the right hand side and the opposite direction viewed from the left.
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  118. When all the flights pass close to the Arctic Circle then it means they are carefully avoiding what happens elsewhere in the world.
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  119.  @tailwhipolaf  The ancient Greeks deduced the shape of the planet from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. We are still waiting on FE’ers to explain any of that. Dubay deletes questions from his videos’ comments; Prof Dave answers questions. Dubay claims density (a ratio) acts as a force but won’t explain how that is possible; curiously FE’ers accept it without question. Meanwhile FE’er are repeatedly given answers to every question, again and again and again, but run around saying the questions are unanswered. Check the other videos on Prof Dave’s “Debunking” playlist. Some of your other gurus have been up for debate.
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  120. The gyroscopes require resetting periodically. The plane doesn't have to dip its nose down since it simply follows the constant air pressure that provides enough lift to keep it in level flight; that would occur whether the Earth was flat or round. On a "zetetic model" (still waiting on FE'ers to produce a working map) it would take considerably longer than 12 hours; an equatorial flight would require about >1000mph and the distance increases with increasing latitude.
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  121. What do airlines have to do with NASA?
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  122.  @j.e.wattes8991  It’s a question FE’ers repeatedly ask, thinking a hovering helicopter disproves rotation.
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  123. Why are so many of you lodged in the present? GPS has been around for only a few decades; do you think the 19th century cartographers were using GPS?
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  124. What are you saying is wrong?
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  125. Have you tried obtaining a ticket and getting aboard?
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  126. For the benefit of those who are wondering if there is plausibility in the idea.
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  127. No useful or agreed upon answer forthcoming. As for the latter, they either declare the pictures to be fake or a few insist all the continents are visible.
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  128. @Flamenkindi ""That's why you loose the position in the middle of nowhere" Except you don't; aircraft & shipping use it mid-ocean.
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  129.  @Krugis  I remember somebody saying that a few days after the world ended on 21/Dec/2012. Apparently it was just “the beginning of the end”.
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  130.  @Blackninjafox13 Do you know what the answer to 360/25000 is?
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  131. If you’re using you brain then surely you can explain the flight?
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  132. What good points do you think FE’ers have?
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  133. 24hr sun in Antarctica?
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  134. And yet your computer works…
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  135.  @onatics  Which government?
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  136. The existence of indirect flights does not magically preclude the existence of direct flights. It’s cost efficient to have flights where people most want to travel. Few people are going to travel directly between the southern continents so there are fewer flights; there is more demand for flights to & from the populous north continents.
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  137.  @minkymott  "Why does it take longer to go one way" There are prevailing winds at flight altitudes; flying into the wind means the flight in that direction takes longer.
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  138. It does and doesn't depending on what they need at that moment. I haven't managed to extract an explanation from any of them.
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  139. "It's different therefore it just gotta be right" is stupidity, not open-mindedness. When given explanations & evidence they didn't know FEers automatically refuse to consider them; that is close-mindedness. When we analyse their ideas and can tell them what is wrong and why it is wrong it means we have considered their ideas; that is open-mindedness.
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  140. Why would it bunch up at the gravity? Why wouldn’t you expect it be evenly spread across the globe?
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  141. Charger Fan NY deleted his comment after 10 minutes? Is that a record?
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  142. You didn't notice Covid disrupting air travel?
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  143.  @_Alhemist  The GPS signals are one way; the different satellites transmit their signals, ship possesses a GPS receiver that picks up at least three signals and calculates the ship's position using the difference in timing between the identified satellites. If you wish to claim that GPS satellites are just balloons then you need to explain how they remain aloft and in continuous motion for years on end, following tracks totally unaffected by atmospheric conditions. You're the another FE'er claiming to have the razor-sharp understanding of how it all really works but I don't doubt you will not answer, just like all the rest of you. How difficult is it for even one of you to produce the answers you all claim to possess?
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  144.  @_Alhemist  Try explaining your system first.
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  145.  @_Alhemist  Try explaining your system. How difficult can it be?
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  146.  @_Alhemist  Explain your system.
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  147.  @deltatransports6131  Indirect flight do not preclude the existence of direct flights; saying you can find indirect flights means nothing. Neither are indirect flights stopovers to refuel; they are a series of unrelated flights on shorter, busier routes that someone can froghop to act as a seat filler on each. The example given is a direct flight. You need to debunk that.
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  148.  @deltatransports6131  Obviously you don't have an enquiring mind; you just stop without thinking.
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  149.  @scoutwithoutclout  The globe is to scale; projections of the globe onto a 2D surface have distortions which distorts scale. A FE would require mapping a 2D surface into a 2D surface; assuming accurate point to point distances it would be to scale. Many FE’ers insist the map is an accurate map of a FE and thus you would reasonably expect it to be to scale.
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  150.  @scoutwithoutclout  They hail the Gleason projection as being the definitive map of FE, not a conceptual work. Cartographic errors aside, there is no reason to suppose an accurate 2D map of a 2D surface would not be to scale.
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  151.  @scoutwithoutclout  The Earth's deviation away from a perfect sphere is minimal and thus is inconsequential for the point being made. It's near as damn it a perfect sphere and thus a consistent scale can be accurately applied to the whole surface. Only if you wish to get purist is there a deviation in which case look up WGS84. It is not the same problem as distortion from projecting a globe map on to a 2D surface or the inability of FE'ers to produce a map with a consistent scale. I suggest you look up Asimov's essay The Relativity of Wrong. Individual FE'ers do not agree on much, including the existence & format of the supposed FE map. They usually opt for one of three things: A. The Gleason projection is an accurate map of the FE. B. There is a FE map other than the Gleason projection that they have all seen and some claim they possess but none can produce. C. That it is impossible to make any map with a consistent scale, usually quoting the Mercator projection as an example with no understanding as to why that is distorted and why that criticism it wouldn't apply to a FE map. Only the first option supplies a map so that is what we have to work with. Since it is supposed to be an accurate 2D depiction of a 2D surface you would not expect to find an inconsistent scale.
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  152.  @scoutwithoutclout  I would not that with your examples (communist & anarchist etc) that you are referring to differences of opinion. I agree that there has been a shift way from reasoned discussion to denigration and that such a shift is not a healthy one. With the physical shape of the Earth we are talking about a fact, not an opinion. It's accurately measured, what we observe every day is consistent only with a globe and recently in history we have abundant photographs from every angle. The shape is clearly determined and is not a matter of opinion. It is straightforward to prove that it is not flat - the motion of the sun alone is inconsistent with any FE notions - and we have explained why it doesn't work to FE'ers repeatedly. Some of them stick with it and insist everything is explained (somewhere); this video is trying to extract an answer from the people who claim to possess it.
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  153. You need to distinguish between direct & connecting flights. Either ask specifically for direct flights your search or look into airlines based in those countries, eg, Qantas.
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  154. What data in favour of FE?
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  155. Moon phases are due to the relative orientation of moon, Earth & sun as the moon orbits the Earth; you’re looking at the sunlit half of the moon.
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  156. They think the sun illuminates only a limited, misshapen area at a time according to the Law of Just Does.
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  157.  @kennyjharland  Any projection of a 3D surface onto a 2D surface is going to produce distortion; the greater the area, the more distortion there is. Assuming it is competently done, mapping a sphere to a globe will be accurate.
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  158.  @hjalfi  I use reason and I keep it simple as I can; the problem is their inability to understand anything beyond the overly simplistic. We're talking about people with no sense of scale or measurement, who think numbers are there to confuse them, who don't understand the difference between linear and rotational motion and are flummoxed by the notion of more than one factor or variable. In world of 7bn+ people, seemingly none of them are capable of thinking beyond their own observation point; the concept of more than one frame of reference appears to be beyond their mental capacity. I'm not calling people names in referring to conmen; that is what they are. Some of them are in it for what money they can make while others simply seem to get a kick out of fooling people.
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  159.  @hjalfi  "I should lead it to the cleanest, most potable source of water " Try doing it for a while then get back to us.
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  160.  @hillbillybeerdranker6678  And yet the people who crossed Antarctica dud find any edge. Yacht races arrive back where started after 15,000 miles.
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  161. What flights exist reflect demand for those routes; if there are too few people to justify a direct flight then you need to take indirect flights.
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  162.  @j.e.wattes8991  It's a reasonable question and indicates curiosity rather than stupidity; you unwittingly stepped in a cowpat asking it here :-( Conservation of momentum. Everything - Earth, atmosphere, helicopter - is rotating eastwards at the same speed. An object retains whatever momentum it possesses; any change (e.g., from engines) modifies that momentum rather than replacing it. Unless the helicopter makes a specific change in direction it will continue moving eastwards. It's not as obvious as it may sound, hence the misconception. If you jumped up & down on a plane you wouldn't expect to smash into the rear bulkhead; if you jumped out of the plane (hopefully with parachute) then you would intuitively expect your forward momentum to cease and you would fall vertically. (Air resistance reduces your forward momentum until you are at the same speed as the air, so the early part of the jump would be a curve.)
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  163.  @stgnsw  As has been explained Covid has disrupted flights; right now a stop-off in Auckland is economically necessary. Given the distance between NZ and Chile, it is a moot point whether the plane goes direct to Sydney or pauses in Auckland; the distance is impossibly large on a FE.
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  164. Many international routes are still disrupted from Covid. You need to search well ahead or check the Auckland to Santiago fill-in flight.
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  165. With a stopover in Auckland.
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  166.  @GeanTechmanYT  The Mercator projection is the globe projected onto a flat surface; it is not a globe in itself.
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  167. You need to specify direct flight.
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  168. Their orbits can place them up to 20 and 10 degrees away from the sun respectively so they become observable after dusk or before dawn.
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  169. The Apollo craft used an aluminium hull, carbon fibre insulation and then the water tanks as third layer; they passed at speed through the weaker periphery. The astronauts received a radiation dosage equivalent to 2 X-ray shots. All they had to do was reduce the dosage to safe levels, not totally block the radiation.
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  170.  @Rapture777-now Do you trust the motion of sun & stars?
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  171.  @jeraldsmith7778  EPIC, Himawari-8 and Elektro-L collectively download several full hemisphere shots per hour. How many do you need?
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  172.  @jeraldsmith7778  What’s your slam dunk technique for identifying CGI? How was CGI achieved before CGI was possible? Do you even know what CGI is?
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  173.  @jeraldsmith7778  And as I said, I’ve had FE’ers swear Photoshop is CGI.
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  174.  @roberttwilkin7886  "Sea level..!! What a dumb name' Level has multiple meanings; open a good dictionary. "26,000 miles in round the edge same distance captain Cook measured trying to go round Antarctica?" What makes FE'ers think Britain is in Antarctica?
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  175.  @roberttwilkin7886  "the shape of the lens that causes curvature across a level surface" And yet we perceive straight lines as straight lines...
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  176. Celsius rather than Fahrenheit....
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  177.  @SplitIZ  An opinion endlessly promoted by the Great Witnesses.
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  178. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  179. The law of just does.
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  180.  @AV036  Dave corrected his misconception.
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  181.  @stylesrj  “Zooming in with what exactly?” Obviously they have Real Eyes, not the substandard variety that NASA has fitted everybody with.
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  182. That's how good the penguin security is :-)
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  183. The shape of the Earth is a fact, not a belief. When FE’ers deny evidence they are not espousing an opinion.
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  184. When you are standing on a sphere the largest amount of mass (and hence the net direction of gravity) is directly towards the centre of the sphere.
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  185. The Earth rotates once per day; nothing rotates in a straight line. 8”/mile^2 was a rule of thumb used by land surveyors and good for a few miles. The Nile runs from high elevation to low elevation like any other river. Not when you take elevation into account, something FE’ers assiduously avoid. Are you interested in answers or just trying to sound intelligent?
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  186. Will he bring punctuation with him?
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  187. If you’re so bright then why don’t you explain how the flight could work on a FE?
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  188. I answered this elsewhere…
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  189.  @je4a301  Watch his next video on the topic.
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  190. They don't glitch out.
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  191. The artifical horizon gyroscope isn't designed to compensate for curvature; its purpose is to monitor the planes level flight. Aerodynamics means the plane sticks with the air pressure at a particular altitude regardless of the shape of the Earth.
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  192. Is anybody maintaining an archive of the deleted conversations?
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  193. Did he say anything new?
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  194. The moon orbits the Earth; consequently half the time it will be on the sunward side of Earth and will thus be visible during the day. You’re getting sharp responses because of the way you vouched your question. FE’ers have difficulty grasping the concept of orbits (the concept of anything to be accurate) and seem to think a daytime moon (totally contrary to FE models) is a big Gotcha!
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  195. They take direct routes; they appear indirect when the globe is projected onto a flat surface, such projection inevitably creating distortion.
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  196. It’s all one rotation per day; it’s the same length day everywhere in the world. The tangential velocity differs according to latitude (distance/time) but it us the same rotational velocity (1 revolution per day).
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  197. Generally by not thinking.
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  198. ​ @scoutwithoutclout  Blue Marble 2002 is a composite of low orbit shots; that is the origin of the claim that all photos are composites. At the time all the digital cameras in orbit were low orbit and thus could only photograph a limited are at a time; the only way to obtain a full digital shot would be through stitching the images together. Since then we have placed cameras in high orbit, capable of snapping whole or near whole hemisphere shots. Himarari-8 & Elektro-L are in geostationary orbit, EPIC is in L1 position and they collectively take several shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. They are composites only in the sense that black & white cameras are used (single detector per pixel means a higher resolution is possible) and take a series of shots through multiple wavelength filters; the three or four visible spectrum shots are overlaid to give a full-colour image. They are not composites in the sense that Blue Marble 2002 is. "there are some interesting questions that I found to be understandable grounds for skepticism" You need to specify which and why you think so. It gets irritating with FE'ers because the answers has been given repeatedly, they have been given the evidence repeatedly, they have their misconceptions explained repeatedly. The tone in this video is aimed at the hard knocks who choose to ignore what they don't want to hear and insist they can explain everything but never do. This is not about differing opinions on a matter; this is verifiable fact that they are choosing to deny. Don't confuse or conflate the two. "they provided video evidence of modern high-def high-zoom cameras that bring the ship back into perspective (when technically it should have been out of our field of vision)." Their assumption is that there is only one reason why you wouldn't be able to see something when in actuality it can be either the limit of visual acuity, physical blocking of the line of sight or both; you aren't limited to only one potential cause. By miscalculating the distance to the horizon (they typically use a simplified equation that ignores the effect of observer elevation increasing the distance to the horizon) they can zoom in on a vessel that has yet to reach the horizon, find it is the limit of visual acuity that has put that vessel out of sight at that moment and claim they have disproved the horizon that in actuality is still some distance off. None of them have successfully zoomed a "half-sunk" ship back into view or brought back the set sun; those would be a test of whether the horizon was real or not since the object has definitely encountered the horizon. On one recent thread it was explained to him 4 or 5 times that he was using the wrong maths and why it was the wrong maths but he continued to insist it was the right maths; that is why some get treated condescendingly.
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  199. How?
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  200.  @catsanddogsthereality6510  Presumably our rabbits are enslaved because they can’t get out of the garden?
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  201. It’s been that way for a few weeks.
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  202. It’s more than twice the time of a direct flight (no changing planes en route). Indirect flights use you as a seat filler on frequent flights where you trade the hassle of stop-overs for a cheaper ticket.
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  203. Where was Sputnik?
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  204. Go the beginning of the playlist. By this point the videos are having a dig at the FE’ers who profess to have the answers but never produce them.
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  205. Watch from the very first video on the subject; this is the sixth.
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  206.  @EmilyFitness  You’re posting in a subject where satire and serious can’t be distinguished.
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  207. Do you drive on the other side of the road to the naive populace?
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  208. Have you never wondered why Jim Creek's transmitters are on mountain tops?
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  209. Evidence?
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  210.  @michaelhawk3861  Explain how the flight would work on a FE; the point if the video is to demonstrate that it isn’t flat, not that it is a globe.
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  211. Why the delay? He wasn’t trying to think of a smart reply, was he?
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  212.  @1e0s  You realise that no FE’er has produced a plausible explanation for this flight? The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations changing with latitude; all verifiable by anybody with some travel. Observation & thought of the world around you does not require huge grants. We are still waiting on FE’er explanations for observable reality.
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  213.  @nonsensicaltimes780  Refraction is the light being bent as it passes through the decreasing air pressure; it’s mundane. Mirages are the unusual case of weather causing layers that grossly refract the light; the wobbling is due to the sir movement. Chicago being visible is newsworthy, not mundane. Happens once every few years, not when the air is clear. The buildings are never completely visible, just the upper sections. You can’t zoom something back into view once ut has gone over the horizon. Again, where the horizon is is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone. Again, FE’ers deliberately use the wrong maths and only take curvature into account. None of them have zoomed the set sun back into view or even explained why the sun would set.
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  214.  @petroleumalley  He has it locked in the attic and secretly sneaks in there occasionally to see if it has stopped drifting.
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  215. The example you gave (Santiago toAuckland) would be impossible on aFE. You just backed what Dave said “For a little less money” And considerably longer flight time. That FE’ers can’t handle numbers is why this video has to be couched in terms an idiot could grasp.
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  216. Down is towards the centre of the Earth regardless of where you are standing. It is not a universal direction as you’re envisaging.
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  217.  @kennyjharland  We’ve had 3D globes since at least the 18th century (check antique websites). That was a matter if enough of the globe being mapped to make them worthwhile.
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  218. Was he afraid the plane wouldn't arrive at the destination? Do he show any surprise when it landed in the right place while using the "wrong" map?
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  219. You can initially limit the maths to just the aerodynamics by presuming flat & stationary but it will have to be incorporated later. If you really mean "why are they aren't taught about keeping up with an earth that's whizzing under them at 1000mph" then the atmosphere & the plane both move with the Earth, the plane conserving the eastwards momentum when it takes off.
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  220.  @hjalfi  "it's cheating....You have to play fair." Ah, diddums. The world can only be as complex as what the simplest brain can handle? It's why you shouldn't use it as an exanple to distinguish between flat and round Earth and why it is used by FE'er conmen to fool the people whose brains can't handle more than one frame of reference.
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  221.  @Ernesto91763  How does a thrown ball keep moving when it breaks contact with your hand?
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  222.  @ameerabdullah1129  That the Beeg are masterminding a great conspiracy would somehow sound more convincing that the usual bogeymen claims 🤔
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  223. It doesn’t take elevation & atmospheric refraction into account. It assumes an airless, perfectly smooth sphere with someone’s eyes 6’ above the surface. It’s a good for a few miles but doesn’t concur with reality.
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  224. I would be careful here: that one (and only one) of the crew found the Snark will be hailed as proof that the map works and that he provided no evidence that had met the Snark is the absolute proof it works :-)
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  225. Then why don’t you think?
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  226.  @ProfessorDaveExplains  And these are the people with the discerning eye for photoshop & CGI….
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  227.  @warmachineuk  That would require the eyes to be remote detectors like radar. I wish they would be explicit as to how they they think the eyes physically work.
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  228.  @marcuskinney3779  Why not just answer the questions you’re asked.
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  229.  @marcuskinney3779  O diddums, another FE’er who can’t answer questions but clings to the belief that he can.
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  230. If you’re going to argue you couldn’t then bear in mind that currently all fights are reduced due to Covid-19 limiting travel. Book for 6 months time.
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  231. Is he confusing light intensity with angular diameter?
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  232.  @tjjones621  They teleport across or they disembark and don’t notice people are using the wrong language?
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  233. @Skela Boy So how does that flight work on a FE?
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  234. @Flamenkindi You don’t lose GPS in the middle of nowhere. Your phone can determine it’s position from phone towers but your phone is not a GPS unit.
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  235.  @roberttwilkin7886  You mean you don’t want to answer questions.
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  236.  @jeraldsmith7778  Movies are shot in studios with set design & controlled lighting using backdrops made for dramatic effect. They aren’t designed to be mundane.
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  237. @Flamenkindi GPS is used for crossing oceans; you can't get much more in the middle of nowhere and yet the signal is there. As I said, the map on your phone won't work because that does require a phone tower connection but a phone is not a GPS unit.
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  238.  @themysticaldrone4517  Unfortunately some people are very binary in their thinking: they consider that something either works or it doesn't and don't comprehend a partial or nuanced effect. That has a knock-on effect in subjects like this where we have to explain something in simplified fashion which can create confusion when the more complex effects are commented on.
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  239.  @jessemartinez6285 Because the Earth being a sphere was proved a long, long time ago. Why waste money endlessly repeating it for the benefit of those who will reject it out of hand?
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  240. Opinion is supposed to be explain how facts connect and their relative importance, not deny facts. That the sun rises & sets is not “government indoctrination” but observable reality. That 2+2=4 is reality, not brainwashing. It isn’t OK to run around spreading ignorance & idiocy. “Ignorance is knowledge” is not opinion that makes sense or is in any way constructive. I believe in (usually) being polite to people but I don’t have to treat such opinions as valid or equal to logical ones.
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  241. Flights are currently curtailed due to Covid; they do normally fly route. Indirect flights are you frog-hopping a series of separate shorter flights that service more heavily used routes. It’s more economical to have somebody be a seat filler on those flights than run a direct route between every pair of airports.
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  242. Which map were you using?
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  243. More things like the northern hemisphere stars are the only ones seen or claiming Australia is a hoax rather than explain how reality doesn’t match a long thin continent.
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  244. Samuel Rowbotham went off on an anti-science religious bender in the19th century.
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  245. So far none of thd naysayers havd provided evidence of CGI or exokained how ut was employed before it existed, actually observed these wires or explained why a training pool would preclude spaceflight. The job is inherently dangerous; some jobs. They have a fixed budget and the larger any project anywhere rhen the greater the chance of over-spending.
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  246.  @aivokallo77  The lamppost is real 😊
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  247. Free speech does not mean equal say.
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  248.  @brockdodrill257  Explaim the sun’s motion, horizons, angle to Polaris matching, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles on a FE.
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  249.  @M-3-L-O-N  "the Church burnt people alive for their claims that it wasn't flat." It's always been accepted by the Church that the Earth is a sphere. They were hostile to a move to heliocentric theory because they saw it is undermining their authority. As far as I am aware nobody was burnt at the stake specifically for insisting the universe was heliocentric. You're saying that as a hoax it isn't dumb otherwise it would be ineffectual in fooling people?
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  250. Start it spinning?
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  251.  @stylesrj  Put it in the rest room ‘til it’s sober?
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  252. These days they claim the sun moves in a horizontal circle above a FE (rather than orbiting around it) and, for reasons they never explain, it only lights a limited misshapen area at a time.
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  253. Explain how the flight works on a FE.
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  254.  @YouGotTheMelvin  Poe’s Law. FE is a subject where ridiculous comments are made in all seriousness.
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  255.  @mickowens9839  Dividing distance by time is arithmetic and is one calculation.
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  256. "They" are just fooling you into thinking you do :-)
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  257.  @boterlettersukkel  I wonder how many of the anti-vaxxers are knocking back pints of antiseptic?
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  258. Only on Star Trek 😊
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  259. Let them be to run advocating ignorance is knowledge, incredulity is enlightenment and demanding we abandon reason?
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  260.  @jackevans7665  Saying the Earth is a globe is mundane; why would anybody be interested? In contrast putting up a video claiming a conspiracy appeals to a small group who hang on every word and to those who find idiots entertaining.
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  261. Explain two celestial poles, the distance between the southern continents and the circumference of Antarctica on a FE. Explain how a monopole magnet withdraw exist with the magnetic field perpendicular to a normal magnet. FE’ers claim they have the answers but none are able to provide them.
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  262. Snag - we’re still waiting on FE’ers to produce a copy of their map.
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  263.  @BrickSquad69  They’re insisting that only their map is accurate but they don’t produce it; a straight line could legitimately lead to anywhere on an absent map.
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  264.  @anonimoactornauta7858  Try providing those explanations. Why do FE’ers always say look elsewhere if you’re so sure if the answers?
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  265.  @Rolls....Royce....  In the same presentation Tyson also described small those deviations from a perfect sphere actually are. The globe map (3D) is accurate; all projections onto a 2D surface will be distorted. We are still waiting for anybody to produce this accurate 2D map.
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  266. Explain why Long Island doesn’t get in the way and provide some evidence.
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  267. They don’t believe anybody knows because nobody has been down to see it. The existence of seismology is unknown to them.
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  268. Does a set distance change size?
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  269.  @flippitydooda7996  If you flipped the table AND flipped the direction of gravity simultaneously how would you tell which way up you are?
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  270. @Ath That you compared the moon to a smooth polished sphere and were looking for the reflection of a spotlight rather indicates that you don’t understand. I’m not ploughing through Dubay’s videos contributing to his revenue. What are you claiming he’s done? Zoomed the set sun back into view? Funny thing is that receding objects only disappear from the bottom up when the demonstrator uses a curved surface, eg, a cambered playing field. None of you have ever tried explaining WHY you think perspective would make something disappear from the bottom up when it simply refers to all dimensions reducing in apparent size equally. Do you want to try?
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  271.  @charlieharris4881  The search was under 2 min or the flight? 😊
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  272. When you throw a ball does it continue moving when it leaves your hand? The same happens to the plane when it breaks contact with the ground.
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  273.  @stylesrj  He’s gotten as far as “probes filled with helium” that aren’t balloons.
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  274.  @_Alhemist  Only you here considers it non-functional and you are essentially reduced to asking for the programming it uses to carry out calculations. You’ve gotten as far as “probes filled with helium” mysteriously calculating a position on a map none of you can ever provide. Has it not occurred to you that you have double standards?
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  275.  @_Alhemist  You said the alternative to GPS used probes gilled with helium. You’re demanding details from other people but you refuse to explain by your concept. What do you think the GPS receiver is lacking and why do you think that?
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  276. Conservation of momentum. When your car is parked on your driveway it moves with the Earth. When you drive it you modify that momentum, not magically lose it when you turn the key.
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  277.  @hirokomlm131  PubMed turns up over 300,000 research papers about Covid-19. What makes you think nobody was looking for a cure or effective treatment?
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  278.  @hirokomlm131  For 90% the illness could be sufficiently handled by their immune system. 10% required hospital care, one in ten of those requiring respirator support. There wasn’t and still isn’t a cure; we’re talking about a virus, not a microbe. There are palliatives that ease the symptoms, reducing the stress on the body and thus increasing its ability to fight the infection. Vaccines are preventive, reducing the probability of you catching & transmitting the virus.
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  279.  @hirokomlm131  We are biologically individual, not clones. Compromises in the immune system aside, we all possess the same immune system; it works exactly the same way in everybody. Since we are individuals there are multiple variables also involved, eg, genetics, general state of health, diet, exactly how fast each body responded and infectious dose to begin with. What was found (with time) was that people with pre-existing cardio-respiratory diseases were more likely to die. There was nothing special about those who survived. That something is found to have palliative effects in some does not make that something a cure. Somebody promoting such a palliative as a cure makes them irresponsible, nit insightful & suppressed. One vaccine was made by Pfizer. Just one. Look through some of the research on Pubmed, who was doing it and on what aspects.
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  280.  @kevwhufc8640  Reread what I wrote and think. You're talking about a flat projection of a globe map as if it was the 3D globe map. It's a direct line in 3D, an arc on a flat projection of that map.
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  281.  @fosty.  I had one lick the car window once 😊
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  282. Fewer miles not more miles. Still waiting on a FE’er to explain he that can be achieved.
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  283.  @lvdvbc  Have you looked at the debunking playlist?
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  284.  @deltatransports6131  You think “Derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model” is about a space station because….?
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  285.  @deltatransports6131  You cant comprehend a difference between air and space? Do you think that FE flight examples are the only flights that exist or that everybody should ignore flights that contradict FE?
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  286. The plane flies through the atmosphere and the atmosphere rotates with the Earth. Weather is variation within the atmosphere and there are prevailing westerly winds in that region, hence the longer flight.
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  287. Newton died while the Freemasons were still just stonemasons.
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  288. Close eyes, insert fingers in ears and start chanting. 😊
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  289. Raindrops, waterfalls, waves, meniscus.
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  290. Any takers?
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  291.  @MM-ig1iv  Explain how you think NASA could have influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  292.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24 So ehat are planes if they are not what they seem?
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  293. It’s more for the benefit of those looking down the rabbithole than those who have jumped down it.
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  294.  @Backup_Punter  Those wondering if there is any in the idea are generally receptive.
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  295.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24  You realise that history did not begin when you were born?
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  296.  @bobbyrayofthefamilysmith24  The world was mapped & before the Wright brothers took off; the size of Earth was measured over 2000 years before.
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  297.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  Try landing at Ronald Reagan Airport; the plane banked in low over the Potomac and I swear I could have shaken hands with the folks in the boats.
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  298. I think the flights from Australia to South America leave from Melbourne rather than Perth and generally follow the line of latitude.
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  299. Harvey assures me that the EB exists. 😊
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  300. It’s “free thinking” and definitely refusing to think it through.
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  301. Have you noticed that Concorde has a shape that differs from subsonic planes?
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  302. The modern FE originated with Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went off on an anti-scientific religious bender.
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  303. IIRC she dropped out for personal reasons (pregnant?) then wound up some FE’ers because she found them incredibly gullible.
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  304. Some are gullible enough to believe it, presumably getting an ego lift from thinking they are one of the few who understand life, the universe & everything; some are in it to make money from the first; others are just trolls.
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  305.  @nonsensicaltimes780  "The distance we can still see a image without it distorting" Why would it distort? Do you mean disappear below the horizon? "you can see images that should be many meters below the curve" Hidden drop is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. When all factors are taken into account nothing can be seen that shouldn't be. It's why FE'ers are keen to use only curvature (and the wrong equation for it). "We can't hover in place and have the earth rotate below while we are stationary." Conservation of momentum and frame of reference. Both Earth & atmosphere rotates eastwards, once per day. A plane on the tarmac has eastwards momentum; it retains that momentum when it takes off in the same way that a thrown ball continue moving when it leaves your hand. The plane's engines modify the momentum. A hovering helicopter is stationary only relative to the Earth; it, Earth & atmosphere continue to move eastwards. There is no absolute frame of reference. "Those are interesting anomalies that the flat earth brings up." No, just ignorance. "'the institutions giving the information" We're talking about science and the combined labour of scientists worldwide producing comprehensive evidence. The information is not handed out by some shadowy institution, much less one that has existed for millennia. That you don't know the basis for conclusions does not mean nobody knows. "we are given all of what is know when it's comment knowledge" It'c common knowledge because it has been demonstrated to be true repeatedly by multiple parties. "Later to be seen as breakthrough" They vast majority are crap and always will be. Very occasionally there is an idea that turns out to be correct. It doesn't follow that something differing from the "official narratives" is correct or even insightful.
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  306.  @nonsensicaltimes780  You wanted answers for your “anomalies”. I’m providing those answers and explaining the misconceptions. You need to listen and think, not keep repeating canards.
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  307.  @nonsensicaltimes780  I’ve explained to you twice why we can’t see further than we should, just futhrr than the FE ignorance say we should. I also explained to you how a helicopter hovers over one spot; again, Earth, atmosphere and helicopter are moving eastwards at the same speed.
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  308.  @nonsensicaltimes780  A long as they have yet to reach the horizon as determined by curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction. All factors have to be accounted for.
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  309.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The Earth & atmosphere both rotate eastwards at the same speed. A hovering helicopter is the atmosphere moving eastwards at the same speed as the Earth under it. A helicopter on the ground is moving eastwards with the Earth and at the same speed as the Earth. Momentum is the product of mass & velocity; conservation of momentum means it continue moving eastwards with Earth & atmosphere when it take off in the same way a a thrown ball continue moving when it breaks contact with your hand. The helicopter does not magically lose momentum on take off any more than the ball stops moving when you throw it. A plane on the ground has eastwards momentum in the same way as the helicopter. When it takes off the engines modify the momentum so it moves eastwards a little faster or slower than the Earth. It does not magically lose momentum any more than a ball stop is moving when you throw it. The problem I think you are having is with frame of reference; you are trying to visualise it in both a relative frame and an absolute frame simultaneously. Earth, atmosphere & helicopter are all moving eastwards. In an absolute frame they are moving in the same direction at similar speed. In a relative frame of reference you treat something as if it was stationary (e.g. the Earth) and consider all motion relative to that reference object. A hovering helicopter has absolute motion eastwards but has no relative motion compared to the Earth. Whether a plane is travelling westwards or westwards its speed relative to the Earth will be the same.
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  310.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The papers deal with aerodynamics in aircraft design. They are quite explicit that they are ignoring factors to limit the calculations purely to air flow, eg, no weight loss as fuel is consumed, an inflexible airframe, no weather, no mountains (flat plain) and no Coriolis force (non-rotating). It’s not an admission that the Earth is flat, just the stated convenience of simplifying the maths. FE’er read in what they want to believe and ignore the stated purpose.
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  311.  @nonsensicaltimes780  There are east-west flights in both directions, eg, New York & London. They take approximately the same time.
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  312.  Jesse Hatch  Because it lies on the axis of rotation. Why is that so difficult for FE’ers to comprehend?
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  313.  @Junior-mq4lu Not currently; as PetroleumAlley pointed out there is a war on. However if you can get a Taiwan to LA flight over the Pacific then under normal circumstances you might get direct flights to western Russian cities; depends on demand and immigration requirements.
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  314.  @Junior-mq4lu  How do you think the Earth’s surface was mapped other than by people going there?
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  315.  @theentirespanisharmada5165  Weight is the action of gravity on mass; where gravity is unvarying (e.g., Earth's surface) weight is proportional to mass. FE'er gurus talk as if the same gravity means everything has the same weight and ask rhetorical questions about insects lifting the weight of an ocean. Folks like Elise think the questions are insightful without realising it assumes everything has the same weight.
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  316.  @theentirespanisharmada5165  Curious. It was in direct response to the OP.
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  317.  @elisemueller7158  Your claim is based on the assumption that everything weighs the same regardless of their mass. Which way do you want it?
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  318.  @mcnuke1492  Your diatribe appears to be directed at Prof Dave.
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  319.  @Bnslamb  Obviously the YT executives were trying to leak the secret but are now being heavily leant on by the government NASA Jew penguins 🤫
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  320.  @eddiebarrera147  Only if the direction of gravity didn’t change but “down” is towards the centre of the Earth and thus is dependent on where on the Earth’s surface you are. The plane is always the right way up over the locality it is at.
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  321.  @eddiebarrera147  They do seem to have incredible difficulty grasping a diagram that consists of just a circle and several arrows.
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  322.  @ok-nz7mt They don’t question the globe; they simply deny it. Their questions are answered repeatedly and consistently, frequently with examples as to how they can verify it for themselves but that doesn’t satisfy them. We’re talking about people who can’t recognise that the sun doesn’t cross the sky the way they claim it does.
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  323.  @Soulfood.7560  And I yet I can get one a plane on one continent and fly direct to another airport on another continent. How is that achieved without accurate maps?
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  324. FE’ers have a habit of suggesting “proofs” that cover one particular phenomenon (eg 15 degree drift on a gyroscope) while ignoring the fact that it’s incompatibility with other phenomena (eg motion of the stars) instantly disproved their “proof”.
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  325.  @warmachineuk Ah, but that’s just what They are telling you about aerodynamics. 😊
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  326. Indirect flights do not magically preclude direct flights.
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  327.  @tailwhipolaf  What do you think there is worth debating about FE when it relies on ignorance & incredulity?
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  328.  @stylesrj  How else does he think NASA is manipulating what he sees through them? Are they bending the Earth to make it look curved?
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  329.  @stylesrj  I’m curious how he thought the view was being manipulated.
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  330. Natural philosophy, not science.
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  331. The videos in question are cherry picked; they are the ones where there is a mirage effect just above the water, apparently placing water where the hull actually is.
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  332.  @Ernesto91763  What makes you think 50,000ft is high enough? The zeros?
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  333.  @Ernesto91763  The maps are distorted because that is what happens when you project a 3D globe into a 2D surface.
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  334.  @Ernesto91763  Evidence of said expedition?
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  335.  @Ernesto91763  So? Are you claiming the US has been manipulating geography for millenia for before the US existed just for an ego trip?
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  336.  @ss-xy2im  So that’s where my wife gets her pink salt…. 🤔
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  337. Spheres. They are easier to visualise as a hole in a diagram when explaining how they warp space-time.
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  338.  @MrShigura  He means the arc on the London-NY flight should be northwards rather than southwards. Time 2:45
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  339.  @stgnsw  I just found one in seconds.
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  340.  @stgnsw  Auckland, NZ to Santiago, Chile (AKL to SCL) Latam 800 10/Jun/22, 6:40pm Auckland, 1:30pm Santiago, 11hr flight non-stop US$3,559
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  341.  @stgnsw  Well of course - it’s what you said you wanted to see and having seen what you thought wouldn’t happen actually happen you’ve changed your mind about what you want to see. Fork out for a ticket.
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  342.  @stgnsw  What difference does making a stop in Auckland make? The plane just flew from Santiago making an intercontinental journey that would be impossible on a FE.
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  343. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere about 500BC.
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  344.  @victorfinberg8595  "The Best of the Worst"?
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  345. Because he was Captain.
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  346.  @MH-ty1gk  Good job that simply keeping the plane level is sufficient; the plane follows the curve in the atmosphere. Have you considered reading the full sentence in those documents?
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  347. "The plane hight keeping capabilities are the same as flat as globe since that's a distance" Rather the point. FE'ers insist the plane would fly off into space on a globe.
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  348.  @man58652  Sure. International flights were largely curtailed worldwide due to the pandemic but you think the airlines should have spent money flying empty planes on a routes you deny so you can continue to deny them?
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  349.  @ProfessorDaveExplains  Depends on where you are from; it's a common colloquialism in Britain for any injection.
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  350.  @ExposingEvil666  Similar process to the US.
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  351. Shot! 🍸
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  352. Booked in the last 18 months by any chance?
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  353.  @marcuskinney3779 360 degrees / 25,000 miles = 0.014 degrees/mile. How much curvature are you expecting clouds to have on a globe and why?
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  354.  @marcuskinney3779  You’re asking about curvature and you can’t get your head around degrees? Does 0.014 sound like a large number or a small number?
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  355.  @marcuskinney3779  What do you think is going to pull the water off the globe and why? When it mives at the same speed as Earth what is the soeed difference that you are envisaging? When the centrifugal force is < 0.5% that of gravity what us yiur reasoning for 0.5>100? What makes you think Copernicus was an ancient Greek? Hoe does a small local sun retain a constant angular diameter & velocity to every observer through the ciurse of the day? How does it rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon? How does everybody see the same phase of the moon?
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  356.  @r.davidsen  You’re assuming God would be within the universe. To create a universe that doesn’t yet exist (regardless if whether God is or isn’t present in it post-creation) would require God to exist outside our universe.
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  357.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  He demonstrates the existence of a flight that couldn’t occur on a FE. Still waiting on FE’ers to explain it in much the same way that 5 months on you still haven’t said what you consider misinformation in the video.
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  358.  @kennethgoforth809  How do they see through Long Island?
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  359.  @kennethgoforth809  How does the sun maintain a constant angular velocity & angular diameter through the course of the day and manage to ruse & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  360.  @kennethgoforth809  Why would sending up a balloon preclude anybody from launching a satellite too? Long Island lies between the Statue of Liberty and 60 miles out to sea.
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  361.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  But still no explanation from you….
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  362.  @anatomyconspiracy9416  "About?" You don't even know what you are commenting about and you expect me to think you have everything figured?
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  363.  @r.davidsen  I saw the rest after I commented on your original comment. It seems like the paradox of an irresistible force meeting an immoveable mass. It would be a matter of a God in a multiverse creating an individual universe that could run without him and the paradox is how it could and couldn't exclude him simultaneously. I would note (sorry, I can't remember whether you answered this point or not) it wouldn't disprove the existence of an entity capable of creating and/or running a universe, simply that limitless power is not possible.
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  364.  @r.davidsen  My least sentence pointed out that you were extrapolating from an entity with unlimited power to one with near unlimited; arguing against the existence of the former because of a paradox does not disprove the existence of the latter.
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  365.  @tjjones621  I was just thinking - I'm assuming he had thought...
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  366.  @ericb3157  What did he envisage it as moving away from or had that not occurred to him? (Stupid question I think....)
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  367. Projection of a 3D object (globe) onto a flat surface (foldable map) creates distortion. The globe map is accurate; the map will be an inaccurate projection of the accurate globe map.
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  368.  @parkourpov9189  The onus would be on you to demonstrate both that the deity existed and was influencing people; without evidence to back those assertions it would be conjecture. Meanwhile the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from observing the sun, moon & stars; all quite replicable by anybody willing to travel.
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  369.  @critthought2866  How do you interpret my reply as a borderline attack?
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  370.  @critthought2866  Fine except my comment started "The onus would be..."; I didn't make a demand.
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  371.  @critthought2866  Because I answered the questions he asked, not made demands.
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  372.  @jeraldsmith7778  The Apollo landings are recognised as genuine worldwide.
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  373.  @roberttwilkin7886  What do you expect to see from a spirit level when the plane remains at a set angle relative to gravity? Are you expecting to see periodic dipping?
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  374.  @roberttwilkin7886  That something is outside the box does not make it right.
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  375.  @roberttwilkin7886  Area of Ireland c. 32k sq miles Area of Sea of Tranquility c. 232k sq miles
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  376.  @jeraldsmith7778  Which doesn’t answer what I asked.
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  377. You’re confusing air speed with ground speed. The plane maintains a constant air speed (speed relative to the air around it) while the tailwind increases its ground speed (speed relative to the ground).
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  378. Look at his other videos on the subject. “10 Things All Flat Earthers Say” would be a good place to start.
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  379.  @MrQuaiven  Which side of the road did they drive on? Did they put the rubbish out in a different day to everybody else?
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  380.  @tysonatkins2236  That the voyage started from Britain and that he was killed in the North Pacific should be obvious clues that there was more to the voyage than circumnavigating Antarctica.
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  381.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  You make them sound like Lwaxana Troi…
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  382. FE’ers are self-professed thinkers and endlessly claim to have it all thought out. This should be a simple question but no answers from the Thinkers so far. The purpose of the video is demonstrate they are blowing hot air.
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  383. They can’t explain anything, they can’t provide answer and sometimes can’t even understand the relevance of the questions asked but remain convinced that what they don’t know and can’t say must be right. Principally, its due to either wanting to be “in the know” or being in harmony with their religious beliefs trumping observable, verifiable fact.
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  384.  @Bubnugget  Watch the whole series he has made, in chronological order. By this point in the series FE’ers are being presented with examples that are self-evident even with their minimalist thinking and some of the Thinkers are still mindlessly repeating what has repeatedly shown to be wrong.
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  385. An airliner is about a 35th of a mile 360 degrees / (25,000 miles * 35) = ?
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  386.  @demo9855 Real like the conspiracies about a pizza restaurant (US) or nursery school (UK)? Occasionally a conspiracy theory will turn out to be true; the majority will still be barmy.
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  387.  @demo9855  And yet manages to smoothly run numerous large scale conspiracies?
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  388. Still waiting on a FE’er to explain what they find amiss with the Cavendish experiment or what they think caused the attraction. The last one suggested spontaneous draughts.
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  389. The metric system isn’t universal yet.
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  390. Be novel and explain how density acts as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  391. There's a giant elephant on the top of the sphere running backwards & forwards to keep it balanced.
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  392. I would hazard a guess at "the wind blows, what more is there to know?" before passing onto "that's just what the weather reports have been scripted to tell you".
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  393.  @blaineilr  See the Part 4 video following this one. Prof Dave discusses the practicality of such a conspiracy.
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  394. They haven’t; they altered the search algorithms to downgrade misinformation.
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  395.  @mikeknox7453 The Earth is in space and is not a vacuum.
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  396.  @petroleumalley  If globes are just “educational toys” then surely he would always have a good number on the sleigh? Not sure how he makes it back to the NP when all the toys have been delivered; perhaps he relies on the kids who have been naughty between loading the sleigh and him delivering.
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  397.  @petroleumalley  Not good quality - it's missing continents :-)
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  398. So?
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  399. The time & speed is inconsistent with a FE and the plane would be flying over land, not over water.
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  400.  @spicyboi3960  That would be what’s down rather what’s up 😊
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  401.  @mickowens9839  Arithmetic being as simple as you can get in maths. That you find it complicated speaks volumes.
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  402.  @mickowens9839  I’m British; we excel in sarcasm. Unfortunately you’re making a good job of imitating a FE’er; sometimes it is difficult to tell. Some really do find the application of arithmetic to be complicated.
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  403.  @mickowens9839  Some are trolls, some are genuine (either wanting to be "in the know" or simply buying into any conspiracy theory going) and a few are the conmen. Unfortunately some people are gullible enough to fall for FE or at least enough to be convinced there is dispute.
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  404.  @flizzyw844  Airlines are businesses; they have flights that reflect passenger demand. Too few passengers to be economically viable means no flight. Indirect flights are possible because the individual flights reflect demand for travel between the individual locations. People travelling from A to Z are frog hopping a series of shorter, more profitable flights.
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  405. The great majority of humans live in the northern hemisphere; the FE’ers who are willing to look up for long enough thus observe stars rotating around Polaris.
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  406.  @rayopeongo  He overlooks the plane’s’ altitudes?
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  407. In what way? He didn’t go high enough to see a curved horizon.
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  408.  @whidbeyhiker  It had quite an impact.
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  409.  @melsop54  They have a very simplistic grasp of cause & effect; since sunlight is direct it can’t also be reflected presumably because it would require the light to be shining in two directions at once. They associate reflection with a mirror so only mirrors can reflect. Where they can accept objects reflect light they assume the objects have mirror-like surfaces: smooth and non-dispersive. There’s very little in the way of thought processes; it’s a matter of working out what they aren’t thinking about.
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  410.  @jackevans7665  Disproving FE is a side interest. Look at his playlists.
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  411.  @je4a301  How would playing around with everybody's minds and manipulating objects be achievable without any economic outlay? How would it run perfectly throughout recorded history? What would be the purpose of a FE conspiracy when nobody has any evidence that the Earth is flat or that there is an alien or godly conspiracy?
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  412.  @je4a301  1. Which still requires economic outlay, ie., time & resources. 2. It would be running throughout recorded history - that means thousands of years of observations and thousands of years in which flaws would inevitably occur. 3. You're into the philosophical argument about simulated universes rather than the scientific argument of observation & deduction.
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  413.  @Alan-nq5xg  It was never included when the Bible was first compiled.
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  414.  @smokalot2474  Funny thing is, nobody can ever say what thus law of density is….
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  415.  @Robloxgamer881  How does the FE sun rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  416.  @ContraPsy  For high orbit satellites composite refers to photos taken at different wavelength being overlaid to produce a true-colour image rather than 3 or 4 monochromatic ones. Since different cameras have used varying wavelengths over the decades the true-colour ones appear to differ.
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  417. 500mph relative to the Earth.
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  418. ​@Ath Reflectivity =/= reflection of an image. Reflectivity is the property of matter to reflect individual photons that interact with it. The greater the reflectivity, the greater the chance an individual photon will be reflected rather than absorbed. Some wavelengths are preferentially absorbed, altering the balance of wavelengths in the reflected light. All objects will reflect light to some degree; the more light they reflect then the brighter they appear; the wavelengths they preferentially reflect determine what colours we perceive it to possess. The direction of reflection is dependent on the angle of the surface at the specific point where an individual photon strikes an object. The angle of reflectivity at a specific point is independent to the angle at other points. Unless a surface is unusually smooth then the angle of the surface will vary from point to point. Photons travelling in parallel will not be automatically reflected at the same angle; the angle of reflection is dependent on the angle of the surface at the point each strikes at. Dispersion is when multiple photons travelling in parallel are reflected at multiple different angles due to the lack of uniformity of the object's surface. A photon can be reflected multiple times; each time it encounters a surface is an independent event. Do you understand all that?
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  419. @Ath You mean it's yet another video of declaring the horizon to be closer than it actually is and zooming in on ships that have yet to reach it. The request is usually that FE'ers try to bring a "half-sunk" ship fully back into view; I ask for FE'ers to zoom the set sun back into view. We are still waiting for you to do what you keep claiming is simple. In other words, you didn't understand what I wrote about reflectivity. Go back, read it slowly, line by line, and try thinking. I realise you won't be able to understand this but Tycho crater has a higher reflectivity index than the surrounding lunar landscape. You can't see Tycho crater directly; you can see the dispersed light reflected from it in contrast to the darker lunar background. You don't know how studio lighting works, do you?
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  420. @Ath Again, you make it obvious that you didn’t understand what I wrote about reflectivity. If somebody used a hand mirror to flash an SOS would you ignore the SOS on the grounds that you couldn’t see the mirror?
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  421. @Ath It’s evident from what you just wrote that the video is just more of the same and satisfies only the gullible. How would perspective explain everything when NONE of you can explain HOW perspective would make anything disappear from the bottom up in direct contradiction to the principal of perspective? Why do you think “just does” is an adequate explanation?
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  422. @Ath What makes you think the moon is a disc?
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  423. He hasn’t stopped making them; this is just a sideline.
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  424. “They’re fooling you to fool you” has fallen by the wayside as has (it seems) “taking economic control of the inaccessible land beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome”. Currently favoured is “to hide God” though they don’t provide much explanation how that would work.
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  425. Is that him telling you or you telling him?
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  426.  @joejosa8985  How did you identify it as the same meteor?
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  427.  @dlv5  GPS uses the WGS84 -based globe map. What map do you think it uses?
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  428.  @dlv5  You think FE’ers having a myriad of theories, none of which work, somehow means you just gotta be right?
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  429.  @dlv5  So why is it called GPS and not GPA?
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  430. Most are, some are serious, a few are making money from the gullible.
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  431.  @_Alhemist  Each signal is about 30 seconds long and the receiver looks for a Doppler shift in the shortening or lengthening of the signal. With a minimum of 4 satellite signals it can sidestep using the internal clock; I don't know the maths. You need to come up with a plausible alternative, not rely on a dismissive handwave and vague claim of there being other ways to do it. GPS works mid-ocean; radio towers are not an option. Helium balloons (or whatever you wish to call them) are affected by weather and require constant fuel to move as a satellite would. Provide a plausbbiel alternative. Also, answer Ian's question: are the distances between locations on Earth known or not?
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  432.  @_Alhemist  And yet so many people are continually using GPS for directions without a problem. How is that possible if there are no signals? What natural phenomenon? Are the distances between locations on Earth known or not? Either answer these questions or shut up.
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  433.  @_Alhemist  Why would carrying something alter the distance between A & B? Two of us have explained how the timing is determined. Schumann standing waves spontaneously started sendjng signals when Sputnik was launched?
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  434.  @_Alhemist  Any two points on Earth. Answer the question: are geographic distances known? You’re claiming that nature spontaneously creates variations that appear & disappear exactly in timing with the launch & demise of each individual satellite and carrying data that just happen to be an exact match for the data to be transmitted and just happen to mimic the exact motion of each satellite?
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  435.  @_Alhemist  Either you're deluded or simply taking the piss. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow - all readily observable by anybody, all indicative of a globe, all contradictory to a flat earth and all still unexplained by FE'ers. I know you won't try, just filter out that I said it.
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  436.  @_Alhemist  I have family in Australia; they’ve never had problems with distances and restrictions.
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  437.  @johnstanley8091  Byrd didn’t; you’re referring to a picture of the Antarctic coastline. Gravity long since proven to exist. Still waiting for an explanation as to how you think density could act as a force. Birds & gnats fly because they have wings to counter gravity; neither have s similar mass to an ocean.
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  438. The gravitational attraction is proportional to the product of both masses. Small masses have weaker attraction to Earth, ie, they weigh less.
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  439.  @hirokomlm131  “cure fir Covid can be found in those that didn’t die” Your premise is that everybody would die if they didn’t receive a cure.
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  440.  @generalmax4252  "GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS ADMIT FLAT EARTH" How difficult is it to read a whole sentence?
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  441.  @generalmax4252  As I said. how difficult is it for you to read a whole sentence?
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  442.  @generalmax4252  The sentences in those government documents.
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  443.  @generalmax4252  No, I’m asking you a question.
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  444.  @generalmax4252  You don’t think it necessary to read a whole sentence to understand the context of a few words? Have you actually read it are you just taking someone else’s word for it?
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  445.  @generalmax4252  So you are just taking someone's word for it and are lecturing other people about a document you haven't read. Why do people who claim to be preaching the truth never bother checking stuff bore opening their mouths?
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  446. Natural philosophy, not science.
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  447.  @Fyorad  Natural philosophy appeared with the ancient Greeks and it was based on the premise that observation & thought were all that was needed to determine how the world around us worked. Scientific method is the iterative application of hypothesis, prediction & test. This example requires only observation & thought.
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  448.  @Fyorad  I’m referring to natural philosophy, not philosophy.
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  449. Harvey assures me that he is.
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  450.  @blackdaan  The moon is a sphere; the half facing the sun will be lit, the half facing away will be unlit. How much of the moon appears lit depends on your viewing angle, which changes as the moon orbits the Earth.
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  451.  @rayopeongo  At the Easter bunny?!!
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  452.  @rayopeongo  I know (should have thrown in a smiley) but the way the two comments read it could have been Elmer Fudd replying 😊
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  453. The Earth was deduced to be a globe c. 500BC. It has since been fully mapped, the measured distances indicating a globe. More recently still the exact shape has been measured (WGS84). What do you think is the single source of information? It’s reasonable to ask questions. It isn’t reasonable to ignore the answers.
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  454.  @nonsensicaltimes780  The scientific rationale is asking what the accumulated evidence is and from there asking further questions, not start on the premise of assuming preceding evidence just gotta be wrong or that we should repeatedly start from scratch. "the paradigm we formulate our beliefs around" When something is demonstrated to be true, repeatedly so, then it is not a paradigm. That you don't know or understand the evidence does not invalidate it. What are the anomalies you believe exist? What do you think we are ignoring?
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  455.  @zeendaniels5809  Reputedly there were bags of nuts on an airline that had the instructions “Open bag. Eat nuts”.
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  456. That isn’t absurd?
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  457.  @magnacarta7136  They can’t produce a valid map and and the Gleason projection they keep waving suggests a far greater distance then they’re proposing secretly supersonic jetliners with fuel capacity hidden onboard somewhere and padding over land disguised as sea. That doesn’t seem to be stepping away from absurdity.
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  458. @Gregory Sullivan There are no pure O2 & pure N2 levels; it’s a fairly constant mix of both. At a set speed the plane needs to fly at constant air pressure to maintain level flight. It is not going to rise into lower air pressure as the atmosphere curves. Orientation is continually adjusted; there’s no need for a specific alignment to coincide with curvature.
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  459. You get shot by heavily armed penguins.
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  460. What is common to conspiracy theories is the little to no evidence on which they are based. Claims that FE'ers are being used to divert people from the truth does nothing to provide the evidence that is lacking to begin with.
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  461.  @jackevans7665  No, the OP.
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  462.  @ameerabdullah1129  Exasperation with FE’er reasoning.
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  463.  @whiskybarato  A plane sitting on the tarmac has the same eastwards motion (1 revolution per day) as the Earth. It retains that momentum when it takes off. The plane’s engines alter the plane’s momentum; they don’t magically replace it.
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  464.  @whiskybarato  There’s a difference between tangential velocity and rotational velocity.
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  465.  @kennyjharland  It’s another misconception; some FE’ers claim they do as part of their conspiracy theory.
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  466.  @Soulfood.7560  Then answer my question - how can those flights work in the absence of an accurate map? Perhaps you mean that the maps contain distortions? As has already been said in this thread, that is an artifact of projecting a 3D surface onto a more convenient 2D surface. It doesn't detract from the accuracy of the 3D map.
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  467.  @Soulfood.7560  Why is that the people who believe they possess the knowledge, the understanding, the insight, the profound thinking that has uncovered gaping holes in our current understanding of the universe and are so eager that we should share in this wisdom so quickly come out with variants of "ask somebody else"? Why can't any of the enlightened answer so many questions? "do research on the topic then talk to me" Already done the research and now I am talking to you - answer the question.
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  468.  @Soulfood.7560  There's umpteen of that name. Summertime at each poles leads to 24hr sun within the Arctic and Antarctica Circles.
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  469.  @maxbarko8717 They generally insist the signal comes from phone towers and they go quiet when asked to explain how that is achieved mid-ocean.
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  470.  @maxbarko8717  They don’t. Eyeballing is the only form of measurement most of them understand.
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  471.  @prplt  Check Poe's Law and its corollary.
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  472. Curiously, reference to the four corners if the Earth shouldn’t be taken literally because… well, because…
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  473. Close eyes, insert fingers in ears and start chanting loudly. That’s pretty much their explanation.
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  474. Assuming the air is not flowing off the edges, the atmosphere would also be being pushed upwards giving the aeroplane the necessary lift.
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  475. Harvey tells me orherwise 😊
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  476. That’s natural philosophy, not science.
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  477.  @tailwhipolaf  That doesn’t require a debate.
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  478. Shot!
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  479.  @scionfr-s3255  Who’s saying that Earth is the only planet with life or that there are no Earth size planets?
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  480.  @scionfr-s3255  Not yet finding an Earth-like planet and not yet finding life on other planets means exactly that; neither are a declaration that they don’t exist.
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  481. Check the route on a globe rather than a 2D map of the globe; seeing it in 3D will make the answer obvious.
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  482. It’s bigger than the tiny sphere FE’ers envisage.
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  483. Not since Elmer Fudd caught up with him.
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  484.  @stgnsw  Latam, 10/Jun, about 4pm
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  485. You seem quite gullible. Have you thought about actually checking what some people tell you?
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  486. Only penguins.
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  487. So far: A. To fool people. B. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent God. C. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond Antarctica. D. To establish total mind control.
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  488.  @MJameson76 Minus 60-80C is the winter temperature for Antarctica.
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  489.  @ericb3157 Somebody has to make them…
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  490. To try and get meaningful answers from them?
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  491.  @dancerelle5020  It was a joke; if he wasn't the best pirate he wouldn't be Captain or the chief villain. Your eyes are passive receptors; they detect the light that reaches them regardless of how far it has travelled. How far away you can see something is dependent on how large it is and whether there is anything blocking the view; the existence of one factor does not magically preclude the other. An object can become too small to see with the unaided eye long before it reaches the horizon. Being able to zoom in at that point tells you nothing of what happens once it reaches the horizon. The sun undoubtedly sets behind the horizon; at no point does an object maintaining a constant angular diameter become too far away to see. No FEer has managed to zoom the set sun back into view. All you need to do to prove you can is to actually do it.
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  492.  @dancerelle5020  How far away you can see something depends on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone. That is why lighthouses are towers or built in high locations: to get the light well above sea level and increase distance that they are visible.
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  493.  @dancerelle5020  What $100 offer?
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  494.  @dancerelle5020  if a person is standing at sea level then an object BEGINS to disappear over the horizon. The exact distance depends on how far above sea level their eyes are and the ambient refraction, not just curvature.
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  495.  @dancerelle5020  Describe your experiment.
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  496.  @MH-ty1gk  Keyword being estimate; if you want an accurate number then all the factors have to be taken into account.
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  497. Watch his next video on the subject 😊
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  498.  @truthfullattic8921  It has to be paid for somehow.
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  499.  @truthfullattic8921  Personnel, buildings, equipment, medication: all have to be paid for somehow. It can be done through taxes or by direct payment but the money has to come from somewhere and that somewhere is people. You can have free access to point of service but it still has to be paid for.
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  500.  @petroleumalley  From the electoral bumpf coming through the door a few months it is amazing what qualifies as socialism in the US.
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  501.  @truthfullattic8921  Heating, lighting, water, electricity, cleaning, maintenance.... One person; one protestor was killed, three died from medical conditions.
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  502.  @truthfullattic8921  If you don't get facts straight then you will be no better than the people on Q-Anon. Pointing out incorrect assertions is not supporting or condoning their actions. If you wish to make knowingly incorrect assertions then take "Truth" out of your moniker.
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  503.  @truthfullattic8921  How on Earth did you misconstrue what I said to be support for Q-Anon?
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  504.  @truthfullattic8921  I didn’t. I pointed out the disparity between your chosen moniker and your approach to facts.
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  505.  @ruor1984  It would be the Libertarians in the US. Liberals in Britain are all in favour of state intervention; there’s something contradictory in the term liberal these days.
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  506.  @truthfullattic8921  And I thought I was using it for anonymity....
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  507.  @Flexible_photon  Poe’s law.
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