Comments by "Flook D" (@flookd5516) on "Response to Globebusters - The Earth Still Isn't Flat" video.

  1.  @metadragon7500  Yes, it's that simple. Shipping sperm around is cheaper than shipping horses around for specific breeding programmes.
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  2. If you didn’t see any armed penguins then you were in Area 51.
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  3. Rats don’t continually spout gibberish.
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  4. You think those are the pertinent questions in ascertaining the shape of the Earth?
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  5. The people who have leapt down the rabbit hole are not going to listen; those merely looking down it and wondering if there is something sensible down there are more amenable to reason.
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  6. "I don’t care as much to explain to y’all on here" Something which seems to be true of all FE'ers. How the heck do you expect to convince people you have a working model if none of you are prepared to produce it?
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  7. Still waiting on FE’ers to produce credible evidence to back their claims rather than ignorance & incredulity.
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  8. Isaiah 33:22 Every fossil is transitional; you’re expecting to see chimeras which wouldn’t occur in evolution. The variations in carbon dating are reflected in tree rings. That you don’t know if any radiometric dating other than carbon-14 does not mean the other forty pairs don’t exist.
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  9. I would say that you fail to comprehend the sheer amount of information & evidence available and lack the understanding & expertise required to perform such experiments. The chances of an amateur finding something that many professionals have all failed to notice plus that something requiring the rewriting of our understanding of the subject is remote to sat the least. Conversely an amateur looking for alternative theories being selective in their observation & interpretation to support their claim is routine (confirmation bias). There does seem to be a fallacy that discoveries are made by one or a few people and everybody else accepts that unquestioningly, which I suspect arises from school textbooks noting who gets the credit for being first. In actuality everything is checked and rechecked by countless people and verified by multiple means before it is accepted while finding an inherent error with something that has been accepted is seen as advancement, not heresy. 1. Knowledge increases with time, it's not static. There will be good reason for drawing particular conclusions but since knowledge continues to increases new information may become available that questions or changes those conclusions. Faster than light travel seems impossible but it doesn't preclude a future Zephraim Cochrane managing to devise a warp drive. There have been and still are multiple means for measuring distances; accuracy improves with time but the stars are still going to be light years away and +/- 1% error is not going to put them inside the solar system. Since the moon is close the distance is easier to measure, essentially using radar, and the change in the distance of its orbit over time is measurable. Do note that a claim of "I can see it therefore it must be close" is not a valid argument since it ignores the size of the observed object. 2. Trackable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable material left there and verifiable material brought back. The latter had to be selected by hand to be worthwhile, not picked up at random by a robot that wouldn't exist for decades. Gut feelings are not evidence. The best place to start is asking questions of people who are knowledgeable about the subject material. Do bear in mind that due to your lack of expertise (and sheer time) they will have to simply facts for you and that you not understanding something is not profound insight that it's all gobbledy-gook.
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  10. It’s expensive to send people and it’s more economical to spend less money doing far more with unmanned probes. And, no, two men spending a few hours on the lunar surface is not long enough to build a permanent lunar base.
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  11. Isaiah 33:22 It’s about 1 sec delay to the moon which would not be obvious in ordinary conversation.
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  12. A plane is self-propelled, a bullet is not. The plane is continuously correcting for weather conditions and air currents, changes which would dwarf the correction needed for the Coriolis effect. A sniper bullet is small and travels at ground level; the air conditions have less effect and the Coriolis effect predominates.
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  13. Even on Earth the percentage is tiny; it is simply that about 70% of the surface area is covered by water. Earth is the only planet in the solar system with liquid water on the surface.
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  14. Observations of the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude indicate the Earth is a globe and not flat. Still waiting on the people who’ve ripped the bandaid off to a actually explain anything.
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  15. Still waiting on the what this "legit criticism" of the mRNA vaccine is.
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  16. Sam Jr. But there is more than one type of key and trying to figure out which is the real key will fuse their brains.
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  17. No actual rebuttal then?
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  18. They have to explain why only a limited area of the Earth is lit at any given time if the Earth is flat with the sun permanently above it. A spotlight explanation fails to account why there is such a misshapen area lit or why the sun always appears as a circle regardless of viewing direction. Many go for the hybrid explanation of the sun being visible as a sphere (which would be shining in all directions) while only shining downwards (ignore the shape).
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  19. The water encounters air resistance and thus slows down while you are maintaining a constant velocity by pedalling. You ride into the slower water.
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  20. Try citing these 31 studies.
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  21. You have to be able to prove things anywhere and provide sane arguments if you wish to debate. In the US the attitude is that everybody has an equal say regardless of their intelligence, knowledge & understanding and that opinions are more important than actual facts.
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  22. Isaiah 33:22 You probably own a mobile or wireless phone and you can’t figure out how it connects to a landline? Genetic change occurs; natural selection favours best fit for the existing environment. Unless there is a change in the environment then then no or little change is favoured.
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  23.  @BJ-xm6bi  Sure. The chap I spent a week with answering every question he asked, more than once, is now back complaining nobody answers his questions. The guy to whom I yesterday explained the effect of elevation in viewing distance is now asking why he can see so far in a high elevation. I request evidence most days of FE'ers who claim to have the piece of evidence that disproves the globe, i.e., the slam-dunk evidence; most don't reply, many prevaricate and the remaining few come out with "I don't see how...". FE'ers have a selective memory and little reasoning capability.
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  24. These questions again? It’s not difficult to find or understand the answers. 1. You’re confusing elevation with curvature and assuming “down” to be a mysterious plane beyond the South Pole. Down is towards the centre of the Earth and the Nile flows from higher elevation to low elevation like every other river. 2. The pole star used to be Thuban. Stars are distant and move in the same general direction as the galaxy rotates; their apparent positions in the sky change but require 10,000 years to be readily apparent to the eye. Look the rest up yourself.
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  25. Everything comes with risk, including getting out of bed in the morning. Whether the risk is substantial is another matter.
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  26. PaxRomana There’s nothing stopping you going to Antarctica. Produce some of these pictures of the ice wall.
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  27. PaxRomana Then you need to come up with an infrared picture of Chicago from that location. In the meantime look up superior mirage.
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  28. Dubay is not open to debating anyone so take it up with him. “Aren’t always what truths Flatties believe” If would be remarkably helpful if “truther Flatties” actually stated what they believe rather than simply repeating what folks like Dubay say. We can criticise what they say and what models they wave around but not what none of them aren’t willing to say. If you want us to critique what you truly believe then have the guts to say what it actually is otherwise stop complaining.
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  29. How did the wise master demonstrate to you that density was a force?
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  30. Why not?
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  31. The Earth is a physical object; its shape is not a matter of opinion.
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  32. The Earth was determined to be a globe 2500 years ago; modern cartography developed 2000 years afterwards.
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  33. As soon as the oxygen ran out. While he still had some to breathe he'd be bouncing round the inside of the capsule ranting on the radio that's it's all a hoax.
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  34. Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC are taking multiple pictures of Earth every hour, all immediately downloadable. Why the necessity of Hubble to take one?
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  35. They don’t believe in measurement.
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  36. People have been seeing first hand for 60 years and FE’ers aren’t satisfied.
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  37. What makes you think it must be due to vaccination?
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  38. Some accept they are spheres, others believe they are flat, most seem to just insist they are "wandering lights" and a few think the entire heavens are just a projection. If someone uses a telescope but doesn't bother focussing correctly they claim they have evidence they are just little balls of light.
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  39. ​ @j.michael5650  https://lima.usgs.gov/ There's not a lot to photograph in hi-res; snow looks like snow.
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  40. CyberMiguel Guarda I take it you can’t understand plain English. It refers to gravity within a black hole, not the shape of the Earth or even Earth’s gravity.
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  41. What do you envisage the problem to be exactly?
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  42. It doesn’t matter how times in how many ways curvature is demonstrated the FE’ers don’t accept it.
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  43. Vegan Snacks There’s a live feed on the ISS and nobody has yet explained why the existence of a training pool would preclude the existence of the highly visible ISS.
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  44. Vegan Snacks It’s called elevation but I realise it is difficult for FE’ers to handle more than 2 dimensions. The higher you are the greater the amount of surface you can see and the smaller the proportion a set size area will occupy in your view.
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  45. Vegan Snacks About 1300 active satellites and I have already pointed out to you there is a live feed from the ISS.
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  46. Vegan Snacks EPIC, Himawari 8 and Elektro-L take several photos every hour, all viewable & downloadable. If you want to claim they are fake then produce evidence to back that; “they just gotta be” is not evidence. The harness is being used in the training pool. I asked you why you thought a training pool precluded the existence of the ISS; predictably you haven’t answered.
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  47. That’s what the penguins will do if you go looking 🙁
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  48. So what’s your evidence that sunlight can only travel a few thousand miles?
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  49.  @atamisk21  Have you considered the possibility that speed is measurable?
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  50. B J All your questions are answered over and over and over and over and over. Unfortunately it seems to be beyond FE’ers mental capacity to understand. We ask you for the slam dunk evidence you all keep saying you have and all we ever get are willful ignorance and idiotic reasoning.
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  51. The ships didn’t have the operational range to sail across an ocean that spanned most of the globe so nobody tried it. Columbus disagreed with people in that he thought the globe was was much smaller than measured and thus that Asia was within sailing range of Europe. Sailing around a continent (Africa) or frog hopping between islands (Iceland, Greenland) allows landfall for food & water. Thousands of miles of nothing but sea do not.
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  52. At one revolution per day how many degrees change would you expect to occur in 1 minute?
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  53. Being different makes them feel special.
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  54. In what way do you think an idea that contradicts observable reality would be a valid explanation for observable reality?
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  55.  @thefifthdimension7872  Valid in the sense that none can be disproven; there is no practical way to test the hypothesis.
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  56. Down is towards the centre of the globe. How difficult is that to grasp?
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  57. Stupidity spreads. The notion that facts can be whatever you wish them to be can only be detrimental to society.
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  58. Perspective is not going to make anything rise; he was trying to come up with a plausible sounding explanation.
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  59.  @MrQuaiven  He didn’t place it there; he commanded an English translation be made.
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  60. How many people don’t know what a B side is?
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  61. A sphere will appear round from every angle, a circle will not. There is more than one vantage point in the universe.
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  62. Some of them say photos of the globe are fake because they can’t see all the continents.
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  63. There are different forms of English; it depends on which is the person’s native form.
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  64.  @HamaTheLonelyHana  What obligation is there for me to respect willful stupidity?
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  65.  @jamesgraham4242  Sea-level is an average value used worldwide as a zero point for measuring elevation.
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  66. But King & Emperor penguins prove that! 🐧
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  67. You realise the Koran was written a millennium after the Earth was deduced to be a globe?
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  68. The Coriolis effect rather than the rotation itself.
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  69. You don’t fall if you’re inside a Faraday cage?
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  70. Conservation of momentum; you continue moving forwards when you jump in the same way a thrown ball continues to move when it leaves your hand.
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  71.  @titan9259 As can the ground and every object the sun has shone on but all that’s beyond his understanding.
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  72.  @rza380. If there is daylight at all then the sun is present.
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  73. Presumably being a FE'er grants your body supersenses to feel motion rather than just acceleration. It does seem to come at the cost of being able to comprehend numbers and scale, e.g. the ability to distinguish one rotation per day from one rotation per second, 1 metre from 1 lightyear or one day from one millenium.
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  74. Do you wait for the green man before crossing a busy road?
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  75.  @eaglebauer944  Like the one was looking for the Coriolis effect on his tennis serve?
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  76. "Round earthers are giving proof just like flat earthers" Round Earth corresponds with observable reality and is accurately & reliable predictive. It's used to put satellites into orbit, some of which are photographing the Earth. That FE'ers won't accept evidence they don't want to hear means they are wilfully stupid, not insightful.
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  77. Not good for health & safety as I recall :-)
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  78. Buck Rogers It’s not pear-shaped (and nobody is seriously claiming it is) but slightly deviates from a perfect sphere; the deviation is too small to be discernible to the eye. The plane’s artificial horizon is to maintain level flight, not measure the horizon. Long range snipers need to take Coriolis force into account.
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  79. Isaiah 33:22 Only the KJV uses the word firmament.
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  80. UFO INVASION How far you can see is determined by curvature, your elevation, the object’s elevation and atmospheric refraction. FE’ers just use curvature in their calculation and think they’ve discovered something. Try zooming the sun back after sunset then think.
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  81. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Still waiting on the FE’er explanations.
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  82. Hence jokes about AK47-wielding penguins.
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  83. It is recognised that FE'er are only a tiny minority within religious people, that FE is not representative of religious teachings and that religion generally accepts what science has determined. Most FE'ers seem to have religious fervour and will at some point resort to waving a Bible around as their "proof".
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  84.  @atamisk21  Why wouldn’t a sun dial work on a globe? How did Airy prove aether existed when he found no evidence of its existence? How did he prove the Earth wasn’t a globe? Why do you think the world’s only observer would always be standing at the north pole? How does the FE sun change tangential velocity?
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  85. The sun observably rises & sets and FE are “seeing nature as it is” when they advocate a model that wouldn’t bring the sun within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  86. Because both think denial is scepticism.
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  87. Take a look at his other video on the subject: "The 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say"
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  88.  @muhammadnourhereh4581  Religion fervour is the driving force for many of them; no religion actually teaches the Earth is flat. They want reality to be very different from what science has deduced it to be to prop up the notion that science degrades religious purity. They want to be the purists, will reject reality if that weakens their religious reasoning and consider anybody pointing out the errors & omissions to be religious persecution.
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  89. Just ask for rebuttals and people will be more helpful. Don’t start “I’m not a flatearther but…”.
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  90. Why would you not rise if there is greater pressure at lower altitudes?
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  91. What do you think he is missing?
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  92. Petroleumalley If enough of us do that then will gravity cease to exist?
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  93. Venus’s ORBIT lies between Earth & sun. The planet itself moves around its orbit faster than Earth; it’s not going to be lying directly between Earth & sun most of the time. From Earth it can appear upto 20 degrees away from the sun.
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  94. Presumably the polar bears are warding off ships & planes :-)
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  95. If the car isn’t accelerating or being driven too fast then the air resistance would be minimal. Yiu would be likely to slip and fall in the street though 😊
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  96. PaxRomana You never wondered why it was big news when Chicago was visible at that distance?
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  97.  @imjustanant  <eyeroll> Did you not wonder why seeing Chicago would be big news if it could always be seen? Do you think there's a news item in the area every evening: "Chicago still visible!!!!"?
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  98. ​ @imjustanant  "I've been there dozens of times and only saw Chicago once from sea level" Would it not make more sense to ask what could have been different on the one occasion you did see it? The humidity over the a lake may make a view hazy but also refracts the light enabling you to see a little over the curve. A drop in humidity would give a clearer view but the viewing distance would actually decrease.
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  99.  @imjustanant  Most are inverted, some are not; depends on the air layers. You are claiming that, if not for the haze, Chicago would be constantly visible; an IR photo (other than when a mirage is present) would prove that. Plenty of people have witnessed a mirage, inverted or not, but has anyone taken the required IR photo? As you say, it would be simple to obtain but has anyone actually done it? First assumes one effect (boat disappearing from view) can only have one cause; the boat may have become too far away to see (zooming brings it back) or has passed over the curve (can't be brought back). According to FE theory zooming on the sun after it has set should bring it back but nobody has demonstrated that. The rest relies on denying mirages exist and can't doesn't understand the important roles that observer elevation and object height play in how far you can see something. Surely you have noticed that you can see further from the top of a building or hill than you can from ground level? So far you haven't produced anything other than incredulity. Try coming up with the IR photo.
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  100. ​ @imjustanant  Key points of any science experiment is falsifiability and reproducibility. You make a prediction according to your hypothesis then perform tests that would not work if your hypothesis is incorrect. Your prediction is that Chicago would be visible from a certain location only if your hypothesis of a FE is correct. A shot from a mile down the coast would demonstrate nothing; if can be accounted for by the existing model then you haven't demonstrated that your model is more accurate. The conditions during repeated tests need to be as close as possible to identical. How far you should be able to see is dependent on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction; all three have to be accounted for, not just one (the usual FE screw-up) and correctly accounted for (the other usual FE screw-up; 8"/mile^2 is not the correct formula). (If you want to test a battery-powered torch (flashlight) then you need a battery that is charged, inserted and correctly oriented; all three criteria have to be met for you to be testing the torch and a 9V is not interchangeable with a D). If you want to shoot from the top of a 6ft dune with a 4ft tripod that extra 10ft has to be included in the calculations (plus however far up the beach the dune is). The atmospheric fraction has to be as close as possible to constant; the simplest would be to go with an approximate average for Xft above water. In terms of distance you need a location that will test your hypothesis. With all criteria accounted for it needs to be impossible (for real) on a globe but possible with a FE. In terms of reproducibility, conditions have to be near identical on multiple occasions. The pictures need to be taken with the same camera, using the same lens and same tripod height from exactly the same location (top of a specific dune) in near as identical weather/atmospheric conditions. A mirage is not a typical condition and would render that test useless unless your hypothesis is specifically about what is visible during a mirage. Taking several shots in the course of 1hr tests nothing; if there is something unusual occurring at the time (known or unknown, e.g., mirage) then that could explain your results rather than any veracity of your hypothesis. The least you need to do is being there every day at a similar time for a week in similar weather conditions. In making any reports you need to specify what the conditions were and what you did to meet all the necessary criteria. The results you obtain will be evidence, not proof. If you find evidence of a FE then, even correctly done, there is a still an element of the unknown involved. It needs to be reproduced by other people, not simply there but in other places to account for anything unusual that may exist at Lake Michigan at that time (e.g., deviation from a perfect sphere, unusually high humidity). If, and only if, the same can be readily reproduced in all or nearly all locations do you have a case. If you can't find evidence of a FE then it won't disprove the hypothesis but will indicate you're barking up the wrong tree. There's nothing fussy about this; it's just basic science.
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  101.  @imjustanant  "see landmarks for A HUNDRED MILES straight which is impossible according to the math of a globe earth" I told you elevation was a key part of determining how far you could see. Totally passed you by, didn't it? "no meaning whatsoever if sea level were not a constant" A constant distance from the centre of the Earth. If you're going to criticise the globe then understand what you are talking about first.
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  102. The fanatics, no; those who are asking if the fanatics have a reasonable argument, yes.
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  103. The distance to the horizon is dependent on curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone as FEers think. How much of an object you can see is also dependent on its height & elevation; objects don’t abruptly disappear at the horizon as FEers think.
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  104. Teran Nix The people who profess to be thinking for themselves don’t think that far even when asked.
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  105. Try debunking him.
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  106. 50jakecs To make a comparison would require FE’ers to make predictions in the first place.
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  107. Accumulative change over 1000’s of years.
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  108. Seasons can be defined by date (equinoxes & solstices) which are the same everywhere or by the local climate (vague and highly varied). Which is being used at any given time is a matter of context.
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  109. They’re making their living off those who do believe it. Should we say nothing?
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  110.  @petroleumalley  He's saying that if weight was determined by density rather than mass then the denser the object, the greater the weight regardless of the mass. The shot put ball is denser than a human (except FE'ers) therefore it would be heavier.
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  111. If you jump backwards rather than upwards you will be changing your horizontal momentum. If you jump upwards then your horizontal momentum is conserved and you land in the same spot on the truck.
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  112. An object can pass the limit of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; zooming it back into view before it reaches the horizon tells you nothing of what happens when you reach the horizon. No FE’er has zoomed something back into view once it has passed over the horizon, eg, the sun. They have claimed to either by assuming horizon & visual acuity are the same thing or by incorrectly calculating the distance to the horizon.
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  113. He measured it; it had been deduced to be a sphere c. 200 years earlier.
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  114. You're confusing curvature with elevation.
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  115.  @jamesgraham4242  Curvature would be the change in angle over distance (360 degrees around a sphere, 0 degrees on a FE) while elevation is the variation in height above or below sea level (similar on both). Sea-level is essentially a set distance from the centre on a sphere.
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  116.  CanadaSpaceman  There are videos made by it for people who are clueless about scale and think they should see curvature associated with a 25-250 mile circumference rather than a globe 100-1000 fold larger. How high do you think a plane needs to go to observe curvature of the horizon and how did you figure it out. If the sun was that close then it would evaporate the clouds, not shine on them, it would be possible for planes to fly over the sun and the sun’s angular diameter would change markedly though the course of the day. You need a permit to visit Antarctica like you need a visa to visit most countries. Covid restrictions aside there is a booming tourist trade there and no armed penguins trying to stop you.
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  117. I got down to Peter & Jane style explaining why the moon “changes colour”. We’re talking to people unwilling (or unable) to think beyond baby steps.
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  118. Take a look at his 10 Challenges for Flat Earthers. Plenty claimed they could do it and none have been met.
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  119.  @dogwalker666  I’ve seen it in the air within a microwave but that may have something to do with the simultaneous bang.
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  120. No vaccine is 100% effective; herd immunity relies on getting as many people as possible immune so there becomes too small a pool of susceptible people for a virus to survive.
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  121.  @heruthecoppercoloredgod7311  Explain how NASA re-educated the ancient Greeks. It is a fundamental part of the plot but nobody can explain how despite claiming to be in the know.
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  122. When you are explaining the obvious errors in an argument for the zillionth time or demonstrating the existence of evidence yet again, sometimes more than once to the same person, it does become difficult to remain polite to people claiming superior understanding of a subject.
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  123.  @santana05d  I am referring to discussions on here. When someone demands for the third time in as many days that you produce the evidence that you have already explicitly supplied twice, with explanation, you can be quite short with them.
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  124. Soil, ground, Venus, Terra.
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  125. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Easy to demonstrate.
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  126. Contradictions in science such as...?
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  127.  @OldSkoolC10  No correlation between the two. When the incidence is the same for vaccinated & unvaccinated then there is no evidence that there is a higher incidence with vaccination. If you mean why has cancer increased since vaccines came into broad then it’s because people are living longer generally (age is a factor) and are not dying from infectious diseases before they develop cancer.
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  128.  @hiluxjapper  The Earth makes one rotation on its axis in 23hrs 56min (sidereal day). In that time it has moved along on its orbit; it takes a further 4 minutes to bring the sun back to the same angle in the sky (solar day).
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  129. Which would be measurable by using the triangulation you assiduously avoid. Curvature on a sphere is continuous.
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  130. 1. They get a kick out of fooling you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by…means… 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome by…means… 4. Believing the Earth is a globe enables “them” to establish total mind control over you because….just would…
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  131. The were landing in low gravity not taking off in high gravity; by turning off the power when moving slowly once above the surface they could almost float down.
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  132. Everywhere rotates at one revolution per day. The lateral velocity varies according to the distance from the axis and the globe is not a cylinder.
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  133. Ask him to zoom the sun back into view after sunset; they keep claiming it works. He needs to explain how it sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. Possibly you could plant a stick in the ground and note the angle of the shadow every hour (put little markers at the end of the shadow); on the globe they would be 15 degrees apart, the FE should have large angles in the middle of the day with decreasing size towards sunrise & sunset.
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  134. A few thousand years ago.
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  135. There’s no connection between the two. The difference in distances is trivial; seasons arise solely from the Earth’s tilt.
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  136. They weren’t experimental, they weren’t developed by the government and nobody was forced to receive shots.
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  137. Initially Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti-science religious bender. It was initially maintained by his acolytes, went into vegetable state in the 20th century, the FES was a spoof poking fun at them and then some conmen realised you could make money through YT using the idea.
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  138. Cavendish was the first to demonstrate the presence of gravitational attraction. G came much later. Mendel indisputably demonstrated genetic inheritance but his notations on the matter bear little resemblance to today’s understanding of the subject. Being first does not necessarily mean achieving a complete picture first.
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  139. Use a closed vehicle and they claim it is evidence the atmosphere needs a dome.
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  140. Because Venus’s orbit lying between Earth’s orbit and the sun does not mean Venus always lies directly between Earth & sun. Its orbit takes it up to 20 degrees away from the sun enabling it to be seen before sunrise or after sunset.
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  141. Liberty Blueskyes Gyroscopes & pendulums measured the rotation long before space flight or Google. Himawari-8, EPIC and Elektro-L provide several full hemisphere shots every hour, all available online.
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  142.  @stylesrj  That's the one with the Big Woosh on it?
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  143. skyus364 1% of the genome (total coding) rather than one gene.
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  144. Pets Pro They’re in disguise.
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  145. Get them to watch the rest that Dave made on the subject.
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  146. I pointed out to one that if the sun disappeared because light could travel si far fhen there ought to be a swathe of sky that was totally dark because the stars were also too far away to be seen. He asserted that being able to see those stars proved what he was saying.
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  147. NASA said one particular image was a composite. One. Singular. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L download at least hourly shots every day. The Apollo missions used analogue cameras, decades before photoshop existed, taking the original Blue Marble in 1973.
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  148. Robocal 1234 Nobody has witnessed this ice wall, even the people who crossed Antarctica. The meniscus is due to a slight attraction of liquid to the surface of the container, the strength of that attraction countering the downward pull of gravity. It doesn’t scale up, ie, a bigger body of water will not have a bigger meniscus, because it is purely a local interaction between liquid & solid.
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  149. Byrd is known for exploring part of Antarctica. The Van Allen belts are in space, determined to exist by a team led by James Van Allen using the probes Explorers 1 & 3.
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  150. edwin ico Planes can’t fly that high; the nearest part of the VAB is about 20-fold higher than the max altitude of fighter planes.
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  151. "does not mean the round earth models are flawless" Model, singular. You are correct in saying that disproving one thing does not prove another, refusing to accept the proof of one thing does not disprove it.
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  152. Most subscribe to the idea that the sun moves in a horizontal circle at a constant but totally vague distance above the FE and are not willing to explain how it would fall below the horizon without coming within 10-20 degrees of it.
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  153. Some insist the planets are just "wandering stars" lodged in the "firmament" dome and refuse to look through a telescope for a view that would show them otherwise. Others do acknowledge planets exist but don't try reconciling observations to any explanation for their motion.
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  154. Which way do you think down would be and why?
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  155.  @Schmidtelpunkt  I shouldn't try reading YT with my contact lenses in. :-(
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  156. Not by much and using a sealed environment simply provokes the “that proves there’s a dome” response.
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  157. A total lack of evidence for something’s existence is not proof of its existence.
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  158. dan martinez They don’t. There are papers concerning experimental aircraft that, to simply the maths, ASSUME a flat, non-rotating Earth. They key word is ASSUME; it doesn’t get mentioned and the believers never bother to check, just repeat what they heard without question.
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  159. A very slight deviation from a perfect sphere in the Southern Hemisphere.
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  160.  @Richard_Nickerson  The FE moon is 10 to 600 miles above a 25.000 mile diameter disc. If part of it was illuminated then how much of the illuminated part visible to an observer would depend on their viewing angle. Everybody on the planet sees the same phase at the same time. Since FE'ers have difficulty thinking beyond personal observation they don't consider the contradiction.
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  161. Vegan Snacks It means lift or raise. Deceive would be nassa. You’ve been fooled by fakery pandering to your desires.
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  162. Vegan Snacks You believe in real-time CGI but don’t think it possible to photoshop a picture?
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  163. Vegan Snacks The guy is in a gym, not the ISS. Did you not notice that there is a brick wall behind him?
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  164. Vegan Snacks A reflection in the glass the shot is being taken through. Falls into the bloody obvious but conspiracy theorists can’t think.
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  165.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  How did he measure the distance to the horizon and to the sun? How did he determine where the horizon was given the lack of clarity in the shot? How far would the Earth rotate in 1 minute? Why wouldn't the atmosphere rotate with the Earth? How does he check for 6ft long object at distances of 100 to 1000 miles away? You've already thought all this out before you posted the link so you should have no problem answering the questions.
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  166.  @HeavenLeahSky  YT’s been playing up in recent months as to who can see whose comments, including your own. It appears to be there.
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  167. Christian Krengel Since the logistics of armed forces guarding Antarctica are totally impractical the running joke is the local inhabitants (penguins) have been recruited and armed; anybody approaching Antarctica will be intercepted by heavily armed flightless, waddling birds.
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  168. One version has an astronaut and his brother being the same person raised as two individuals, apparently with nobody but the conspirators and conspiracy theorists being aware of it - not even the parents.
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  169. For the speed the truck is travelling at the resistance would not be substantial. If you performed it inside a sealed truck FE’ers would claim it as evidence of a dome.
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  170. If I remember rightly they hadn’t applied for access rather than had been refused it. It certainly didn’t stop them landing.
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  171. There’s a video of two guys playing tennis across the wings of a biplane while in flight. They don’t lose the ball.
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  172. None of them have ever said how they measured the distance to the sun and have given multiple numbers for the supposed distance. In the last few years nearly all mention of a specific number has disappeared. It doesn’t seem to have occurred to them if the Earth was flat and the sun close then it would be simple to triangulate the distance.
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  173.  @debbiej1594  Everything is in motion; it is easier to assume something is stationary to use it as a reference point when looking at the motion of other objects, i.e, assuming the sun to be stationary while considering the motion of planets around it. That the solar system as a whole is moving through the galaxy is irrelevant when looking at the layout of the solar system. I imagine you weren't taught the sun moved and the underlying assumption was never explained to you.
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  174. low blow It’s not polite to change your request after people have answered.
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  175. The US Vaccine Court does not require NDA's if that is what you mean.
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  176.  @atamisk21  He failed to find evidence of luminiferous aether; FE'ers keep claiming this proves the existence of aether but none of you seem willing to explain this reasoning? Why not when you want to share the truth with the world? How difficult is it for you to explain? Unless the observer is standing at the north pole the FE sun will have a variable angular velocity as it crosses the sky because the distance from the observer varies. That you don't understand this or are simply not willing to consider it is pretty indicative of the shallow thinking of FE'ers. You are ignoring my other questions?
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  177. You have forward momentum when standing in the truck and you keep that forward momentum when you jump. When you throw a ball it continues moving when it leaves your hand.
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  178. That would be the Imaginary Space Station you can observe passing overhead?
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  179. 1. Fooling you to fool you. (Not claimed much these days) 2. Hiding an omnipresent omnipotent god by unspecified means. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome by unspecified means. 4. To establish total mind control over you by unspecified means.
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  180.  @MikaPilgrim  What do you think happens with mRNA vaccines?
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  181. Biological systems are complex and highly interlinked; pull one string and a hundred things move. Our genetic individuality means there can be significant variability in how much “movement” occurs in each of those hundred things. It means that for any given drug there will be a minority who develop a problematic side-effect. That does not render the drug useless for the rest, much less mean everybody will develop that side-effect.
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  182. The Flying Sailor Using clips or even the whole video in a critique would fall under fair use.
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  183. It was assumed that vacuums don’t naturally occur and that light needed a medium to travel through (analogous to sound waves); luminiferous aether was the hypothetical substance that filled outer space for these purposes.
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  184. Jeff Gillard http://walter.bislins.ch/bloge/index.asp?page=Advanced+Earth+Curvature+Calculator There are multiple factors determining how far away you can see an object.
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  185. Looks like I tapped the "please help me man" in sympathy when I went to answer :-)
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  186. Robert Pâté It’s possible to observe the sun’s rotation through the apparent motion of sun spots.
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  187. Mason They’re both half; semi is Latin, hemi is Greek.
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  188. Mason There’s the northern hemisphere and the Southern Hemisphere. What else do you have in mind?
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  189. theELUSIV If we have Occam’s Razor do FE’ers have Jusgottaby’s Razor?
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  190.  @imjustanant  Bedford Canal Experiment. When correctly done, i.e., all criteria met rather than ignored, is reproducible and has been reproduced. Claiming it is flat while ignoring you're standing on a bridge or that water causes refraction is dumb no revolutionary. I laid out a method for you. Go and do it or shut up.
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  191.  @imjustanant  So FE'ers keep claiming and come up with views that aren't at sea-level and/or viewing landmarks like mountains; none can actually produce this magical evidence when asked. Meanwhile lighthouses are tall towers set on high coastal land and generally can't be seen greater than 20 miles away. I laid methodology earlier. Evidently I was wasting my time.
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  192. Weather & pollution aside, you would be able to see several hundred miles before the view disappeared into a haze due to dust & moisture in the air.
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  193. Because you need to invert the VCR player too. Flip both video & player over and the Aussie film will play fine.
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  194. I think it finally dawned on some of them that continuous acceleration led to implausibly high velocities. These days things fall because of density being being a secret force, everything being magnetic, everything having an electrostatic charge, everything is blessed with spontaneous motion….
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  195. What do you understand by "potentially"?
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  196. Difference between absolute and relative measurements. FE'ers tend to assume that something has to be stationary; it's difficult trying to get them to visualise Earth, atmosphere & person moving together.
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  197. The willingness to buy into any conspiracy regardless of facts.
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  198.  @GoldenGolem444  Those fertile lands beyond the dome/ice-wall/whatever are actually bamboo forests?
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  199. “They” get a kick out of fooling you. 😊
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  200. Vaccines have high efficiency but there will still be a small proportion (a few percent) that don't develop immunity. As long as the great majority of the population is immune (>95%) then the disease can be controlled; there are too few susceptible people for the virus to thrive. Unvaccinated people greatly increase the size of that reservoir. Viruses slowly mutate with time; with a sizeable reservoir the probability of a strain appearing that is resistant to the vaccine increases. Clear?
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  201. Heather Dayvis What do you mean by “affects DNA”?
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  202.  @EdenCultures  As I understand it there are just two vaccines that make use of fetal cells in generating antigens. Neither is the HepB vaccine. Your argument is that the serial purification processes fails to filter out all the DNA from ruptured cells, that the DNA is injected into the bloodstream, manages to make it out of the bloodstream, manages to disperse through the body, reaching the stem cells that give rise to ova & sperm, manages to penetrate the cell, manages embed itself in the genome without initiating self-destruct, coincidentally be able express a viable mRNA (that would create a human protein that you already possess) and this somehow produces a point mutation in a gene that would then be heritable by offspring who would possess it in all their cells. Or have I misunderstood and you're arguing that contaminating DNA manages to transfect stem cells throughout your body and inducing a common point mutation in all? I'm sorry to hear that you are hypersensitive to vaccinations. However, simply because you are is not a case for vaccines not being used on anybody; few people have such hypersensitivity. Assuming there was fetal DNA contamination in the vaccine shot you received, it would not lead to you or your kids having a point mutation in one or all body cells. "they are free of chronic illness, have fully functioning immune systems" One would hope they would be healthy since that applies to the great majority of people. How does that tie into not having been vaccinated?
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  203.  @stylesrj  I’ll stick with a phaser 😊
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  204. Some do claim they are also flat but never explain why they appear circular from all viewing angles.
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  205. Anybody & everybody can say pretty much anything they want on Facebook with no regard to accuracy or truth; it’s not a reliable source of information.
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  206. ​ @janvanruth3485  This is aimed at people who have difficulty understanding scale; they have little concept that an effect can be infinitesimal.
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  207. Apparently the <insert favourite boogeymen> get a kick out of fooling people. Curiously despite the absolute control the <insert boogeymen> exert over every source of information Youtube is mysteriously unaffected.
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  208. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDoh8zQDT38
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  209. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Even that doesn’t satisfy some people.
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  210. Are your muscles powered by antigravity?
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  211.  @henrytan2013  Argentina to Canada as in the various circumpolar flights? How many times does it need to be done? You haven't seen your brain with your own eyes. Are you prepared to deny all evidence of its existence?
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  212.  @isolehma2552  Since you can’t see them they’re probably not considered at all.
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  213. “Without a doubt” to whom?
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  214. Ssh! You’re not supposed to notice the holes. 😊
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  215. In jumping he would take his foot off the accelerator :-)
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  216. Professor Dave Explains Top hat & cane?
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  217. nick perry The Earth has a radius of 3,900 miles. Bear that in mind when considering how a tall building should enable you see curvature.
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  218. nick perry Nowhere near. The Burj Khalifa is the tallest building and is less than 3000ft tall. You need to be well above 100,000ft for the curve to become visible to the eye. That is why I told you to think about the Earth’s radius.
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  219. The good. The bad. AND THE LEFTOVER CRACK! “plenty of things that should be taken very seriously” Such as?
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  220.  @AnOfficialYouTubeProfile  Heavens no; that's the place the heretical "learners" head to.
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  221.  @petroleumalley  It was flat and now looks quite bent?
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  222. One told me the fire-pits of hell were there but couldn’t explain how anybody would stay in them with the “universal down” pulling them out.
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  223. The sun's angular diameter & angular velocity don't change through the course of the day, it rises & sets and follows a path predicted from a globe but not any flat earth model.
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  224.  @bradjensen2674  The atmosphere is rotating with the Earth.
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  225.  @bradjensen2674  No.
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  226. You need to be substantially higher and a wide angle view. You're underestimating how big the Earth is.
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  227.  @torewilhelmsen6131  How many degrees in a triangle?
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  228.  @ericb3157  Its unlikely that he commanded the mistranslations; that responsibility lies with the translators.
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  229.  @variousbirdspecieshahaha  You still haven’t said why you think people would be unable to do it.
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  230. That’s the result of the enemy developing a giant undetectable magnet that only affects bombs....
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  231. Gaz Lee Have you figured out yet what you think would pull water off the Earth?
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  232. tony9t So what’s your technique for identifying fake pictures?
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  233.  @petroleumalley  Quite. There’s a joke that was a picture of a cassette and a pencil and how you could tell someone’s age by whether they could see a connection.
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  234. The seismometers placed on the moon’s surface heard it “ring like a bell”. They transmitted the data to Earth. There was no auditory transmission. Einstein was in favour of referring to space-time as aether essentially because aether was the term that had long been used in discussing space. He did not believe aether was a substance.
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  235. No development or military use of Antarctica. Environmental in one sense, stopping a waste of money in the military sense.
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  236. You need the equivalent of a visa to visit just as with most countries.
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  237. Cluckery Duckery FE’ers would argue that the existence of crunchy peanut butter disproves the existence of smooth peanut butter.
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  238. "A lie will fly around the whole world while the truth is getting its boots on" Mark Twain
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  239. Alexander Golos He’s Trump’s advisor and you’ve fallen for a hoax. Apollo astronauts passed through the weak periphery of the VAB at high speed in a shielded spacecraft, not free-floating at walking speed through the central region. Radiation dosage was very different to what you are assuming. Today’s electronic chips have circuitry a few atoms wide and hence are far more susceptible to radiation damage than the Apollo wiring. Unlike the Apollo period, our technology is heavily dependent on microchips. That is the current problem with the VAB. Himawari may not have 180 degree shots but it is taking shots of the Earth entirely within one frame. That is what is demanded by FE’ers and they get it from multiple satellite cameras.
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  240.  @yourweirdplant You’re conflating sex & gender. Sex refers to the biological, gender the physiological & sociological. There is no one explanation for transgender; some are genuine, some an effect of mental problems, some are just social pressure. There is a society that has three genders (and two sexes) but I have no idea how that works.
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  241. Petroleumalley If I tap my heels together three times I’ll be in Kansas?
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  242.  @EmilParkour  When people say on the train they usually mean onboard the train, not on top of the the train.
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  243. ​ @heruthecoppercoloredgod7311  If you are going to run with deduction it really helps if you understand what you are talking about. To launch anything in to space requires power; the greater the mass and the higher you want to send something then the more power you need. How high you need to send something depends on the purpose of the object. A communications satellite works fine in low orbit; there is no need to send it to a higher orbit. If you are not sending anything beyond low orbit then it is not necessary to keep developing the technology required to do otherwise; with no manned missions being planned there was no need to keep developing the Saturn V. With no Saturn development in the last 40+ years and with technology continuously marching on then the materials, computers and manufacturing processes required for the Saturn in the 60's & 70's are incompatible with today's technology & work practices. Even if you could readily build a Saturn V it has the power to launch sufficient mass for a three man, two week moon mission with minimal equipment and nothing more; if you want a longer mission with more people and more equipment (as intended) then the Saturn V is not what you need. It is more economical to redevelop heavy launchers for the modern intended purposes. The blueprints for the Saturn V & Apollo craft still exist; they are also hopelessly outdated compared to today's technology. You're assuming I am American; there is a whole world outside the US. We (the entire world) have been sending satellites into high orbit for the last 10+ years and into deep space for the last 40 years; we have not lost the means to send something beyond low orbit. Until the Orion craft is ready we don't have a viable means to send manned missions beyond LEO. Explain how NASA was manufacturing globes in the 18th century. Explain who you think NASA would have such total control of information and minds worldwide that nobody has noticed a globe appearing out of nowhere.
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  244. Mono Chrome Mostly German: “Religion is the opium of the masses”. The drugs are not necessarily pills but anything that discourages thinking.
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  245. Buck Rogers Distance to the horizon is dependent on observer elevation and atmospheric refraction as well as the Earth’s curvature. The last is not calculated with 8”/mile^2 since that is a parabola. How high do you think you need to be to see a 10 or 50 degree drop in the horizon?
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  246.  @danneumann3274  Because you need to get your exact elevation and take into account the refraction, not assume & ignore respectively. Even a few feet higher makes a significant difference and across water (which these examples always are) the refraction will greatly increase the distance. A boat can pass the limit of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; zooming will bring them back into view. It does not prove they can be zoomed back after they passed over the horizon. Unlike a boat, the sun indisputably sets (it does not shrink away beyond your visual acuity) but no FE'er has yet zoomed it back into view. Try doing it, though use a solar filter and mind your eyes.
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  247. Have you always weighed the same?
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  248. Dsdcain Good luck. The only answers I’ve had are “they like fooling people” and “they can’t not lie”.
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  249. At 30mph the effect would be a few inches and inconsequential for demonstrating conservation of momentum. If use an example with an enclosed atmosphere FE’er immediately think a dome is required and can’t progress beyond there.
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  250. The speed is one revolution per day, not 1000mph; that would be the lateral speed at the equator and is meaningless in discussing rotational speed. Calculating it requires knowledge of the size of the circumference which was determined by Eratosthenes in about 300BC. Does your ball have a similar gravitational pull as a planet?
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  251. You’ll encounter messed down people there 😊
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  252. Usual reasons given: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by...means... 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. Believing the Earth is a globe give the <insert favourite bogeymen> total mind control over you by.....means....
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  253.  @Episcopalianacolyte  You asked what motives the FEers claimed existed; there aren’t any that make sense.
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  254. wong I suppose the recruitment of the sealions was inevitable given the hordes of FEers heading to the Antarctic. 🙁
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  255. Rotation is typically measured in revolutions per minute or radians per second. "Mph" is a linear speed, not a rotational one. Regardless of where you are on Earth, the rotational speed is one revolution per day or 0.0007 rpm. Centrifugal force is calculated from rotational speed AND distance from the axis of rotation. The Earth may be big but the rotational speed (0.0007rpm) is tiny. Even on the equator the centrifugal force is <0.5% that of gravity. That's why you don't get flung off.
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  256. ひFrosty The Earth revolves once a day, the Earth orbits the sun once a year and the moon orbits the Earth once a month. The sun appears to move because the Earth revolves. The moon appears to move because of the combined effect of the Earth’s revolution and its orbit around the Earth. As Peeter suggests, try watching how the sun & moon change position over the course of a month.
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  257. stan smith The side of Earth facing the sun is illuminated in both cases. What do you think is wrong exactly? Do you think it should be night when the sun is up?
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  258. stan smith I wouldn’t thought I could be plainer. Clocks & watches are calibrated for the solar day (24hrs) as opposed to the sidereal day (23hrs 56min).
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  259. A basic necessity of being a free thinker is the ability to think.
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  260. MrSirhcsellor What phase the moon appeared to be would be dependent on the observer’s position relative to both. If both are above the equator in the 1 (?) to 3000 mile range then the viewing angles would vary across the disc/square/polygon.
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  261. What’s your evidence to back that claim? Meanwhile: https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  262. The sun & moon’s angular diameters & velocities din’t change as would happen if they were small and close to a FE.
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  263. Since when has chemistry not been a science? What subjects do you think science covers?
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  264.  @pitotipp  One rotation per day which is not the blur you’re envisaging, and you can follow it on EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L.
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  265.  @jefferylittleton1005  "Heart disease and diabetes mellitus for example, can be completely reversed and cured through eating a traditional diet" No, they can't. A responsible diet can alleviate the symptoms arising from each but is not going to reverse the damage that has been done. The body has limited regenerative properties, especially as you get older; the right diet & lifestyle can optimise what does exist but is not curative. Statins can lower the risk of heart attack but the patient is still susceptible to other diseases with increase in risk with age. A good diet can prevent AGE's from wreaking more damage or limit the accumulation in the first place but is not going reverse the damage that has been done. Cancer are not spread by glucose metabolism; all cells use glucose, some cancers use far more than most so limiting the glucose supply can slow the growth but is not curative. A diet is not going to cure you. It can reduce the severity of the damage, it can alleviate persistent symptoms but it is not curative. Neither does medicine consist solely of popping a pill to handle a symptom; it does try to deal with the underlying cause but the "interconnected system" is hideously complex.
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  266.  @jefferylittleton1005  "a ketogenic diet is prescribed for epileptic patients and nearly eliminates seizures in many patients," Kids whose metabolism can handle that level of fat intake and it works on some, not many. "They're compiling data from epidemiological studies and applying their own confirmation bias to it. Science requires experimentation." Or observation, e.g., epidemiological studies. There are limits to the experimentation you can carry out on humans and what conditions you can impose on people. A mouse lives for two years and is happy with simple diet and no television. You can't impose a spartan, highly controlled lifestyle on a human, much less do so for a 20 year span.
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  267.  @jefferylittleton1005  Reversing some of the damage but not curing it. The ketogenic diet for epilepsy is not the same as the Atkins diet; it is aimed at kids since they have a greater fat metabolism rate. The statin article is specific for heart attacks rather than cardiovascular disease generally (can't get to the original article form home).
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  268.  @jefferylittleton1005  Then say control or regulate rather than cure. You are assuming that everybody has an adult metabolism; kids can metabolise the fat better than adults hence the use in kids rather than adults to try to regulate epilepsy. That's why I would like to see the original paper. I now about the Warburg effect; limiting the glucose supply can slow the growth of the cancer cells but you can't eliminate glucose from your system.
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  269. They work in the assumption that science must contain experimentation and therefore branches of science who are reliant on observation are not really sciences; they find that easier than trying to explain the observations.
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  270. Electrostatic charge. It declines by the cubic distance, not the square distance, abd is proportional to the charge on each object, leading to attractive and repulsive forces. It’s bit like arguing that you can lift & lower something and thus up & down is caused by invisible people pushing objects.
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  271.  @haemocyte2224  And as we pointed out, it doesn’t act like or replace gravity. FEers also note magnetic attraction and some claim that gravity is thus magnetism but can’t follow through on how that could work.
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  272. Remember that a good experiment has to have multiple assays for best accuracy. 😊
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  273.  @cxlumbine  With some people, if you ask questions they don't want to answer they simply ban you from the channel; nobody else can see your question. The only way you would know that had happened is to read the comments from another account or without being logged in at all.
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  274. https://www.satimagingcorp.com/gallery/landsat/landsat-antarctica/
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  275. https://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/iss_ustream.html
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  276. FE’ers agree on only two things: the earth is flat and that they are agreed on the details. There is no official model. In replying to somebody’s FE assertions it is necessary to figure out what details they personally believe.Their explanations are all ad hoc reasoning and frequently self-contradictory. They’ve never supplied a plausible motive for why anybody would benefit from a globe hoax.
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  277. The kangaroos must be in on it as well as the penguins.
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  278. They are powered by nuclear fusion, not combustion.
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  279. Inertia. The landed plane, the atmosphere and had Earth are all moving eastwards at the same speed. When the plane takes off it maintains that momentum the same a thrown ball continues moving when it leaves your hand.
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  280. 1. Which assumes that there is religious teaching against vaccines rather than people trying to find an excuse. 2. Serious reactions are relatively rare but do exist though with lower probability than actually catching the disease if there wasn't a vaccination programme. I doubt you had 32 vaccines in one go. It is normal for mild symptoms to appear in some people after vaccination; the whole purpose of vaccines is to activate the immune system and sometimes it is apparent.
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  281. Presumably not in "The Clouds". :-)
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  282. 1. They're fooling you to fool you... 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall & impenetrable dome. 4. To establish total mind control over you. No explanation yet forthcoming how any of that could be achieved.
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  283. Free Geek You’ve been to a military base or be simply setting foot in Antarctica you were blessed with the knowledge of everything on the continent?
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  284. More people are reading that commenting; if the questions aren’t answered it leaves doubt in some of their minds.
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  285. Vaccines have efficacy and low risk; equating less than 100% efficacy as useless and low risk as inevitable is dumb. The radiation the Apollo astronauts had to deal with was blocked by low atomic mass elements, e.g., aluminium hull, carbon fiber insulation and water tanks. Assuming radiation to be unblock able is dumb. Dismissing everything as a lie is dumb.
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  286. Duston Hampe To quote NASA: “The new Hubble age estimates reduce the range of measurement uncertainty, so that the star's age overlaps with the universe's age — as independently determined by the rate of expansion of space, an analysis of the microwave background from the big bang, and measurements of radioactive decay.” Measurements are not absolutes; they come with an error range.
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  287. What glaring holes?
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  288.  @Robocal  You aren't the clearest communicator. Do you want to clarify what you mean?
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  289. edwin ico A propellor-driven plane was forced to put down due to a build up of ice on the engine, a recurrent risk in that climate. No planes or people disappeared. When a plane is incapable of flying high enough to interact with the VAB then it isn’t going to interact with the VAB. Clear? The only connection between Antarctica & VAB is that Van Allen was (at that time) a junior for the guy who designed Byrd’s scientific equipment.
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  290.  @antiksur8883  They see doing it inside a sealed vehicle as proof a dome is necessary for it to work outside the vehicle.
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  291.  @petspro3453  Quite likely from picking the ripe fruit on the tree in preference to the unripened majority of the fruit; the person who observes the picked fruit can be given the impression that is what all the fruit look like. I have no idea why cherries specifically would adopted for the phrase since other fruits can have a distinct colour difference.
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  292. SpontaneousDX Because the people telling you the location is supposed to be below the curve don’t bother taking elevation of observer & object or the refraction in the atmosphere between. Some are being disingenuous, others it’s a matter of being unable to handle more than one variable at a time.
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  293. Q as in Star Trek or the Bond films?
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  294. Chucking Milky Way bars under a steamroller?
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  295. In addition, no vaccine is 100% effective so even among the vaccinated there will be a minority who aren’t immune; there will always be a pool of non-immune people and the smaller that pool the less chance of an infection spreading and/or mutating.
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  296. Will Botti N-S circumnavigation https://www.onemoreorbit.com
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  297.  @DrSakthi  You cane up with the deviation in miles and still don’t realise how small that is on the scale of a planet?
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  298. Capt'Wes Starwind Always reminds me of the 1950’s tv series portrayal of space like Flash Gordon.
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  299. They never answer.
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  300.  @mulder2400  How is NASA paying off Branson?
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  301. Because the atmosphere is rarified there is very little there to carry heat. Each atom/molecule may have a high temperature but with a tiny heat capacity there is very little heat to be transmitted on contact.
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  302. Shell Ryke Have you never wondered why lighthouses are tall buildings and usually set in high places?
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  303.  @ihka4767  The face is still present at 3:30 to 3:34. The space shuttles had windows overlooking the cargo bay and that section was shot through one; someone's reflection appeared on the glass and it may be possible to identify the relevant crew member. Looks odd but is just a reflection in the glass.
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  304.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  Why does the existence of a training pool preclude the existence of space walks? When they don't behave like air bubbles how do you conclude they are air bubbles? Why does the existence of one camera preclude the existence of another? Why would testing the Lunar Rover on Earth preclude its use on the moon? Why doesn't conservation of momentum exist? What is your explanation for the effect? Why would a reflection in a glass of an object within a few feet of it appear as a remote object? These are all basic questions that you covered in the first steps of your analyses so you should have no problem answering them directly.
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  305. They don’t. The Earth being flat is the only thing FE’ers agree on.
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  306. Bear in mind that it is 1 revolution per day not 1000 revolutions per hour.
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  307. Please explain what issues you have with the globe model.
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  308. ChrisFE Jackson Another one with fantastic insight but unfortunately unable to relay his wisdom.
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  309.  @yourdashingheroidol7909  How the nefarious governments wangle a 24hr sun at the Antarctic tourist spots?
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  310. “It just has to be wrong” is the best I’ve had.
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  311. Certainly no meaningful data escapes.
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  312. Baron Silas Greenback There’s no evidence they are largely ineffectual. What evidence exists for detrimental effect is that occasionally someone has a bad reaction; when that number is substantially fewer than the those who would suffer from the prevented disease it can not be said it is detrimental to the population.
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  313. Tackling penguins as in holding off thousands of assegai-wielding birds intent on overrunning the compound...no, I’m thinking of Zulu...
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  314. The US imports a lot of scientists 😊
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  315. Or wear a penguin suit 😊
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  316. What do you think are the errors with the globe?
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  317. There's a ship race around the Antarctic; still not good enough for FE'ers.
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  318. Physiology is highly complex; it’s not akin to changing a wheel in a car. The underlying cause is not necessarily curable but it can be regulated and the symptoms decrease. That is not the same as treating a symptom thought it has the same apparent effect.
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  319. Jonathan Lindsey The MD’s work principally with patients because that is what their many years of training are for. Determine the exact cause of diseases and developing cures is the PhD’s province because that’s why we’ve spent years honing our skills. Physiology is highly complex. There are no magic cures for diseases because magic cures are fictional not because there aren’t many MD’s involved. You can’t pull one string and expect everything to fall into; even if that was possible no drug is going to affect only one thing. We can come up with more effective and more precise treatments but this is not Star Trek; McCoy and his miraculous work are fictional. A treatment that leads to a reduction in the symptoms is not treating the symptoms.
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  320.  @magnushyenna1574  https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  321. More for the benefit of those who don’t realise retarded and toddler have an impact on the child’s insight.
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  322.  @apostatepaul  Your friend will probably say that only Eratosthenes has ever done this, nobody has ever queried it and the results support a FE. In actuality it is routinely done as a school project, incorporating multiple readings from around the globe and the results are consistent with a globe, not a FE.
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  323.  @atamisk21  Michaelson & Morley failed to find any evidence of aether. Explain your reasoning for how you total lack of evidence for something’s existence would prove that something exist. How difficult can it be?
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  324.  @atamisk21  Third time: how does finding no evidence of aether prove that it exists? Simple question; answer it.
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  325.  @atamisk21  It was irrelevant to Airy's observation whether it was the stars, Earth or both that moved; he was using the difference between the two. You are still working on the basis that he proved aether exists; you have yet to explain why the total absence of evidence for its existence would prove its existence. Try doing it. "an implicit but otherwise untenable assumption, viz. that the earth orbits the sun" Measurable by stellar parallax and the Doppler effect on star light. That you don't like it does not render evidence invalid.
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  326. If the point had been about the music then it would come under fair use ie, providing a clip to explain your critique. It doesn’t cover making use of music for an unrelated purpose.
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  327.  @BJ-xm6bi  The cruise is intending to circumnavigate Antarctica, not actually set foot on the continent to look for the ice-wall that's supposedly well inland. Apparently observing the edge of the continental glacier serves the purpose because of reasons unspecified.
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  328. @Buck Rogers An object can be become too small to seen with the naked eye long before it reaches the horizon; try spotting a coin at a hundred yards. We keep asking for a FE'er to provide evidence of having brought the sun back by "zooming in". No examples so far. Easy to do but no examples.
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  329.  @IFS  Perhaps he’s trying to write haiku?
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  330. Shiyanu Neko Evidence for the Earth bring flat?
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  331. Shiyanu Neko What a surprise: yet another FE’er who can’t produce evidence or explain his reasoning but believes he “knows” and has incredible intellect.
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  332. @Shiyanu Neko Multiple posts and all you produce is insults. No evidence, no counter-argument. Don't want to try it?
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  333. There's a risk they would try opening an airlock to prove there isn't a vacuum outside.
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  334. Just the penguins...
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  335.  @johnbiggscr  The word is Hebrew meant round. Whether that described circle or sphere was down to context.
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  336. James Kahu 1. How many rotations per day would you expect to see? The ISS has live cameras. 2. The cables are faster, more reliable and the equipment readily upgradable. Satellites cover areas where it isn’t practical to run cables. 3. The German scientists were eventually incorporated into the space program. They did not run it or any other projects.
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  337. If you use an example of travelling in a car FE'er immediately think it means the Earth's atmosphere is sealed under a dome analogous to the car's roof.
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  338.  @bryantnonya8704  You have to account for all relevant factors. Think it through carefully.
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  339. Combination of gravity and inertia.
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  340. It's a bit counter-intuitive but you would never reach lightspeed, just move closer & closer to it.
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  341. And yet neglect to do so….
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  342. No matter how big the height & depth of mountains & oceans sound they are trivial compared to the radius of the Earth.
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  343. Globebusters pulled their FE videos.
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  344. imyomelman Minimising the maths to that required for the plane design.
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  345. Gary Burrows All you have to do is wheel out the real FE that actually works. So many of you claim to possess a copy but none of you are willing to deliver. Produce it.
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  346.  @ericb3157 Literally “quatnum”?
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  347. Still waiting on a working FE map. Meanwhile by convention north is at “the top” on globes.
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  348.  @derpjiggle9155  Small pox is the only virus that has been eradicated. All others have areas in the world in which they are still endemic and from they can potentially spread, especially given modern travel technology. If people’s immune systems could unfailingly fight off the infections then we wouldn’t have needed vaccines in the first place.
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  349.  @derpjiggle9155  How do anti-vaxxers come to have the super-duper immune systems that unfailingly fight every possible infection? What is a bad chemical exactly? Do you understand the concept of dose?
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  350.  @derpjiggle9155  Smallpox, polio & measles all killed people and left many more invalided. Anybody could get them, anybody could have the most severe effects. You are already chronically exposed naturally to most of the chemicals used in vaccines (and at higher doses) and a vaccine would give you an acute dose of anything, not a chronic presence. The relatively rapid elimination of anything potentially harmful has been confirmed repeatedly. The chances of something in the vaccine remaining in your body in sufficient quantities and local concentrations to cuase problems decades down the line is probably less than original risk of dying from the disease you're being vaccinated against.
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  351. Centrifugal force. Centripetal force would be the tension in the rope from whirling something around.
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  352. Mysterious atmospheric properties, totally unaffected by weather, that keeps the sun apparently the same size while atmospheric refraction (which they also insist doesn't exist) makes it appear to rise & set.
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  353. Malsy Pright The 8”/mile^2 equation is a parabola, not a circle, and hence does not calculate the curvature of a circle and should not be used to calculate the curvature of a circle. Is that clear?
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  354.  @CantSettleOnAName  I think I need to cut back on the coffee :-(
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  355. Cherry picking data. They mount a fisheye lens on the balloon, film a curved horizon then pick the frames where the lens distortion makes it appear flat. Read up on Morton’s Daemon on RationalWiki.
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  356.  @3wbshrghrhr785  For what purpose? There are satellites taking multiple hemisphere shots several times an hour and, until recently, two 24hr video cameras and nothing satisfies them that there are pictures of a round Earth.
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  357. You need a permit in the same way most countries require a visa.
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  358. If you don’t understand it then how can you draw a valid conclusion?
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  359. faithisme speaks The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere; you can confirm it with sticks, shadows and some travel. What do you think are the unanswered questions?
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  360.  @stylesrj FEers would believe the roadsigns that the They put up?
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  361.  @cheesepizza1775  Most of your post was simply a flow of consciousness rather than formulated sentences; that makes it difficult for the reader to understand. You’re assuming the horizon and the limits of your visual acuity are the same thing and they aren’t; there can be more than one reason why you can’t see something. Something can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; that you can zoom back into view. Once it has gone over the horizon it is blocked from view by the Earth’s curvature; no amount of zooming will bring it back. If you don’t believe me then try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  362. You think an ocean and a bird weight the same?
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  363. Willfully ignorant; even when told how they can verify it for themselves they refuse to do it.
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  364.  @cathyshort  Penguins in arctic camouflage? Dastardly little creatures!
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  365. They've been assimilated 🙂
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  366. PaxRomana Proof of gravity, replicated countless times since with similar results: https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 There is a net increase in entropy; nothing stops complexity forming. Your computer or phone is an indication of that. And every video I’ve seen “proving” lack of curvature screws up. None of them can figure out how to put a battery in torch.
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  367.  @imjustanant  "ot one scientist in the world that can prove gravity " I just gave you the proof. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 "it's a theory" A scientific theory is comprehensive explanation of a natural phenomenon, well-substantiated by extensive evidence from observation and experimentation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. "relative density account for everything" Except none of you can explain how it is supposed to account for it. You can't even formulate a hypothesis. "they exist which they don't" Look through a telescope.
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  368. @Yest Rayleigh scattering would cause distant objects to look less blue, not more blue. An distinct object becomes less distinct with distance simply because there is a limit to your visual acuity.
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  369. @Yest More sky to see and lack of distinct detail in the object.
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  370. They think NASA was fooling them.
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  371. Initially Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti science religious bender, then a nugget of people clinging to the notion against all evidence until Facebook et al created echo chambers for self-encouraging nutters.
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  372.  @dyejohn1905  Gravity is a force & demonstrable. Density is a ratio of mass to volume; a ratio has no vector and is not demonstrably a force. How it is supposed to act as a force is a hush-hush secret for FE’ers; they all claim to understand how but none (gurus included) are willing to explain how.
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  373. Sir322 If you have your nose 1” away from a rock on the mountain then you won’t see the whole mountain and be unable to see the brightness reflected by the whole mountain, just the area immediately in front of your nose.
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  374. Your momentum is conserved when you jump in the same way a thrown ball continues to move forwards when it breaks contact with your hand.
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  375.  @benhaney9629  momentum is not a force; it’s a measure of mass x velocity. A change in momentum requires a force to impart the acceleration/deceleration.
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  376.  @theoverthinkingalien224  Not even them; there would be a demand for a "Discworld" globe.
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  377. Remove it from your history.
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  378.  @garbandgulyberdimuhamedow4604  Recommendations are made according to what you have watched; delete this and similar and recommendations should stop. This one may be cropping up repeatedly because of its popularity.
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  379. Jondular Rain drops. Cavendish experiment, 1798, reproduced countless times with similar results. Constant altitude refers to elevation not curvature. Sea level is a measure of elevation. More than one force can act simultaneously; the kinetic energy in the water can make waves which gravity pulls back down.
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  380. Jondular You think dictionaries are wrong?
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  381. They generally insist the FE magnetic filed is generated by a monopolar magnet though they have no explanation for how one could exist or why the field would run horizontal to the Earth’s surface. FE thinking is incredibly shallow.
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  382. Scotts not from Here Try this site: http://vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk
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  383.  @EdenCultures  The excipient list covers all possible content in a vaccine, not just routine ingredients. They do clearly state "Others are residual trace amounts of materials that were used during the manufacturing process and removed"; this covers all the cell culture materials that may have made it through purification, e.g., cells, protein, DNA. I want to see evidence of Deisher's claims of a whole genome found, DNA outweighing antigen content and antigen being absent. Lack of liability exists in the US; the US is not the only country manufacturing vaccines. I commented on which stem cells would be affected because it wasn't clear how you thought all your cells became mutated. Either you think DNA has penetrated every stem cell in your body and had exactly the same affect or you think one of your parent had mutated sperm or ova. There is a huge difference between a mutagen and DNA contamination. The former can penetrate the cell without getting digested by the cell; it would be small enough to penetrate the nucleus and can either inflict damage on the DNA or affect the repair mechanisms; the damage would be limited to small changes in the coding. You're suggesting fragments of DNA are making it into the cell, through to the nucleus and inserting themselves like a virus DNA into a chromosome. That would produce an insertion mutation, not a point mutation. There would not be the change to a single codon that you have but whole inserted sequence. Stem cell therapy means isolating stem cells, "swapping out" genes and reintroducing them into the body. Viruses inject their DNA/RNA by a specific mechanism, binding to the cell membrane and injecting the DNA/RNA into the cell. The presence of a viral antigen, or even a whole virus, is not going to replicate that effect. Viruses can only be used as a carrier if the target gene sequence has been inserted in their DNA/RNA i.e., we are using a modified virus. If a single cell starts expressing a non-self protein then the immune system destroys it; that happens routinely in the body with no symptoms apparent to the human. Despite the high efficiency of DNA repair nothing is perfect in replication and mutations do occur. They usually result the cell's self-destruction and few are going to be competent long enough to expression a non-self protein. Only if the cells can also expression an "all clear" signal for the immune system will it survive. "The similarity of the genes from the human DNA make it MORE likely to insert into whichever cell." To be accurate it makes sequence swapping easier, not sequence insertion. DNA is DNA; there is no difference between different sources other than the actual coding within it. The source makes no difference on penetrating the cell. The numbers vary due to the way numbers are collated, which vaccines are being looked at and by what criteria a reaction is categorised. Very few people have a severe reaction; more have mild fever & headache. Norm covers the average effects, not a specific genome.
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  384.  @EdenCultures  Neither Deisher nor the Corvela Institute have produced evidence. The former appears only in law journals, the latter has published two leaflets. "an industry that has little to no oversight?" There is plenty of oversight; there is also the accusation that anybody overseeing must be biased because they are overseeing. "They are now recommending vaccines to pregnant women with NO safety testing on development." Evidence? Thalidomide was unusual. At the time it was developed it wasn't known that a fetus could react differently; that was a consequence of Thalidomide, not an oversight at the time. The ethylmercury was found primarily in the babies' faeces. The research on the monkeys indicated ready clearance of the ethylmercury over the course of 7-10 days whereas the methylmercury tended to be retained. You're assuming they have similar properties. "viruses grown in the blended up remains of aborted babies" Some of the cell lines in which the viruses are grown originated from some fetuses in the 1960's & 1970's. That's it for the involvement of fetuses in vaccines. If you think I am unreasonably sceptical of your claims it is this kind of reasoning that fails to convince me. Wakefield made up some of the data and nobody can reproduce his results; that's why he got into trouble. "Do the research instead of spouting one side of propaganda" Which indicates an assumption on your part that nobody is doing research unless they come up with the answers you want to hear. That is insulting.
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  385. Good luck. I've had someone "prove" how moon phases really occur with a model that would have a 25hr lunar cycle, different phases in different parts of the world and most of the time lit by a sun that is also supposedly too far away to be seen.
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  386. op Seriously? You never thought to check how far the horizon should fall with elevation? You’re happy with horizon “rising” with no explanation for how it could? You never wondered what the difference between elevation and curve is? You aren’t lacking clarity; you’re lacking knowledge and reasoning.
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  387.  @op-pv2nn  A dressing down. I'm tired of arguing with people who consider them themselves enlightened but never thought to ask the obvious questions in the first place. "Thinking for yourselves" and "questioning what you're told" means doing exactly that; actually try it.
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  388. It demonstrates to those looking down the rabbit hole that FE’ers are just dumb, not insightful.
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  389.  @nellaeneguesamoht5223  "the earth spin at 1,000 mph" How many revolutions per day do you think that equates to?
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  390. Nella Enegue Samoht “just like watching molasses flow in freezing conditions” And you think a camera should see it as a blur? Your argument is to ignore momentum & gravity and assume an absolute frame of reference. Do you have any evidence that Earth doesn’t rotate or orbit other than argument from incredulity?
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  391. Nella Enegue Samoht You don’t know of evidence or you personally have not witnessed evidence?
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  392.  @nellaeneguesamoht5223  Which doesn't answer my question.
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  393. Nella Enegue Samoht Foucault pendulum and gyroscopes demonstrated the rotation that has been surmised from observation. Stellar parallax indicates Earth has an orbit. That you don’t know the evidence or have not personally carried the experiments does not invalidate the evidence.
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  394.  @unionjackjackson2433  It's the Gleason map, a projection of the globe onto a flat surface. We're still waiting for FE'ers to come up with a map that actually works.
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  395. Do you want to produce this model you all claim exists? Nobody else will so why not be the first?
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  396. john espinal When you throw a ball does it keep moving when it leaves your hand?
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  397. Captain Rocketblast How far you can see us also determined by the observer elevation; you can see the base of the mountain at that distance because you are well above sea-level. An object can become too far away to see with naked eye well before it reaches the horizon. The idiots who “zoom things back” never bother to distinguish the difference. Try zooming the sun back into view after sunset.
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  398.  @derekmartin8127  You realise that FE is not a valid "oppositional thought" and that the shape of Earth is fact, not an opinion?
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  399. "Or is it a pear shape now lol sorry every1 keeps changing the shape." The shape remains the same as does the inability of FE'ers to understand numbers and what is being said. There is a very slight deviation from a perfect sphere. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Try zooming the set sun back into view (mind your eyes).
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  400.  @WMWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWMW  Why would attraction to the centre of the Earth mean Australian’s heads are on the ground?
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  401. When you throw a ball it continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand; it doesn't abruptly stop. Same when you jump in a truck; you keep moving forwards after breaking contact with the truck.
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  402. A projectile that’s a dud on impact 😊
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  403. He’s small and you can’t figure out how he gets stuck in impossibly small spaces?
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  404. Does he make any use of wireless phones & wifi?
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  405.  @GrimReaper01776 Few are mentally ill; most are simply gullible and ignorant (some willfully so).
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  406. nick perry No mystery to it. You can measure the shape of the Earth with sticks & their shadows. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  407. The commando penguins or some unarmed decoys?
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  408. DOC SAVAGE The Windows update has changed by login image to penguins 🤔
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  409. DOC SAVAGE That would explain the two all seeing eyes on their heads 😊
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  410.  @bradjensen2674  The truck is moving forwards at 30mph; it continues to maintain the 30mph due to its engine providing forwards force. You aren't self-propelled. When you jump you travel through the 30mph airflow and that slows you down slightly relative to the truck; for the time you suspend aloft the slights change in your momentum drops you a few cm behind your starting position. The point is that your 30mph forwards momentum does not magically cease when you jump; you continue moving forwards.
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  411.  @bradjensen2674  The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. You can (with some travel or cooperation) confirm those observations for yourself. We are still waiting for FE'ers to explain how they are possible on a FE. The question was answered 2500 years ago.
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  412.  @bradjensen2674  Compasses align north-south
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  413.  @bradjensen2674  Water does not have wings, birds do.
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  414.  @bradjensen2674  Skydiver - conservation of momentum. How does a thrown ball keep moving when it breaks contact with your hand?
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  415.  @victorfinberg8595  The inner cylinder sets the water rotating but you can’t figure out why a rotating Earth would come to have a rotating atmosphere?
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  416.  @Krugis  Oops yes.
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  417.  @bradjensen2674  Compasses align north-south; one end points north, the other end points south.
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  418.  @bradjensen2674  Because it has no enclosure.
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  419.  @bradjensen2674  North is north, south is south. A compass is a magnet. The red end always points north. The blue or white end always points south. Since north remains north and south remains south and the compass always aligns with the red end pointing north and the blue/white end pointing south the compass is not going to swing around.
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  420.  @bradjensen2674  "it always points north it never points south no matter how far south you go" If you mean what happens at a magnetic pole then they don't work close to them; the magnetic file is toroidal and thus close to the magnetic poles the compasses would essentially be trying to point into the ground and the balancing on the compass's pivot won't allow far from the horizontal. Once away from the magnetic pole the compass will align as before, ie., north to south.
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  421.  @victorfinberg8595  Discussion where?
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  422.  @victorfinberg8595  One of the invisible comments unfortunately 🙁
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  423.  @victorfinberg8595  No, though I can see your reply to Brad Jensen.
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  424.  @bradjensen2674  How do you think skydivers achieve it?
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  425.  @victorfinberg8595  We’ve already had this discussion; some people see certain comments, others don’t. That other people can see them at all and that they are counted as present means they haven’t been deleted or censored. It is just a problem with traffic between servers.
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  426.  @variousbirdspecieshahaha  Would you like videos of us touching silver and stepping over running water?
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  427. https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Easy enough for anyone to check.
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  428.  @petroleumalley  Reminds me of the Kids/Teens React To series.
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  429. A hypothesis is a best guess; science doesn't stop there.
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  430.  @kristenscarbrough2444  Scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  431.  @ivanjosipovic7206  English originated in England and spread to multiple countries through colonization. Each place evolved slightly differently. In the US, with immigration from a wide range of countries, spelling became more standardised. Hence far & farthest rather than far & furthest. There’s no standard form of English in science; which is used in a paper depends entirely on where each journal is based.
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  432. Germán Esteban Dziekonski Dupré Do you really think that in nearly a century nobody has bothered to query the Big Bang Theory or look for evidence?
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  433. Once they have had every point explained or rebutted and they are still insisting they are right then the D-K effect applies.
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  434. Vladimir Medina Each of which specify what simplifications they are making and why. Try actually reading the whole paragraph and actually think rather than picking out a few words to suit your opinions.
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  435. They think long distance flights are based on guesswork rather than accurate maps.
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  436. Since direct observation is the only form of evidence that they are willing to accept they don’t accept any evidence that they a brain.
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  437. Conservation of momentum. It moves at the same speed as the Earth when on the ground and retains that eastwards momentum when it takes off in the same way a thrown ball continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand.
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  438. That was said in the 1920’s &1930’s, not currently.
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  439. You encounter spacetime distortion near lightspeed; the FE would continue to accelerate relative to the folks on the surface but the view of the night sky would be very different. There is no explanation for what would make the Earth accelerate upwards and as it neared light speed it would require more & more force to gain the same apparent acceleration.
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  440. And if the air pressure remains constant.
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  441. Two lead balls with the same surface charge would attract each other how?
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  442. The failure of experiments in the 19th & 20th century to find any evidence of luminferous aether. Einstein et al demonstrated why light doesn’t require a medium to travel through.
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  443.  @unionjackjackson2433  "said it was more pear shaped below and above the equator" And went on to point how small the deviation was. Since FE don't understand the concept of scale, any deviation is reduced to "enormous" in your heads.
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  444. Meg You watch videos fail to demonstrate a flat Earth yet conclude that they succeeded because they are in the minority? I think you need to pause and reflect. Twain’s point was that you shouldn’t go with the majority simply because it is the majority. He said nothing of the minority being automatically right.
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  445. Some are just con men, other just being trolls but some will be genuine. Unfortunately people can be selective about that they listen to, fail to think something through or question the limits of their knowledge & understanding and, for some, having special knowledge outweighs rationality.
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  446. Viktor Rhyce91 Church refers to the people; it is only relatively recently that church has come to also refer to church buildings.
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  447.  @yourweirdplant  The Earth’s surface was fully mapped in the 19th century. We have multiple pictures taken hourly from different angles. That some things are not fully understood and are still the subject of ongoing research does not mean nothing is known. My comment referred to how two words are differently defined. While language evolves with time you can’t conflate meanings then claim you can’t distinguish them.
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  448. "give this a watch and think on it" You need to think on it. Preferably learn some basic maths & physics before trying to advocate it again.
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  449. Buffalo Bear 8”/mile^2 describes a parabola and was used a rule of thumb by land surveyors to estimate the surface curvature. Curvature is only one factor in determining how far you can see but your minds can’t handle more than one factor at a time. Chicago being visible across Lake Michigan makes headlines in the local news; that should be a clue it isn’t routinely visible. Polaris is 430 light years away; the greater distance an object is from you, the less it appears to change position with your movement.
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  450. "Whilst in space on day-side earth the stars are off and on night side earth they are on...why is this? " Exposure time on the camera. In bright light (sun) the exposure has to be very short or the picture will just be a wash of white. Since stars are faint they require a long exposure time, something that is only possible on the night side.
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  451. It would be approaching light speed in a year. Relativity being what it is would mean that it would get closer & closer to light speed but never actually reach it.
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  452.  @leesmall795  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude; you can verify it all for yourself. Can you see radio waves?
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  453. The air inside the train is moving at the same speed as the train.
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  454. EmilTorge That’s the English language. You will find all languages have their quirks.
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  455. How many people need to do something for it to qualify as having been done? One person? All 7 billion+ people on the planet? Just you personally?
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  456. Evan E Which doesn’t answer my question.
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  457.  @EDECO79  If you had been the first human in space how many other people would have to go before you ceased denying you had been?
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  458. Evan E You can do anything you like in fiction but it won’t change nature: you can only so much energy from a car’s petrol tank and it isn’t anywhere near enough to launch you into space. Apollo 11 was not the first space flight; it wasn’t even the first of the Apollo missions. Yes, I’ve read the science as did the people who surmounted those problems. You seem unable to comprehend communication is not limited to one medium.
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  459. Evan E The grapes are sour?
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  460. Dan Neumann There is no “mound of water”; curvature means an apparent decline (local topology aside) downwards from your position. Without exact positions it isn’t possible to determine the actual distance. Refraction is very important; regardless of the temperature difference there is evaporation & recondensation from water resulting in higher humidity above the water surface resulting in a much higher refraction across water. Check out the curve calculators on Walter Bislin’s website or the Metabunk calculator.
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  461. Dan Neumann Rotate your diagram so the observer is at the top of the diagram; that is what you are seeing. There’s nothing controversial about refraction, just the necessity to understand what causes refraction and calculate how much is occurring in that particular circumstance. A sniper aims across a few miles, not the 20+ you’re talking about, and generally over land so there is too little refraction to be significant. With laser aimed missiles on the long distance activity, the lasers are mounted in naval aircraft not ships. When making low elevation measurements across water you can’t ignore refraction simply because it isn’t a significant factor in other circumstances. Both calculators run you through the factors for calculating how far you can see, Bislin’s going into great depth.
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  462.  @danneumann3274  I may seem pedantic but we get people who, with a diagram aligned like yours, demand an explanation for why they can't see the Earth curving up in front of them.
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  463. Jay Val The rocket didn’t stop instantly.
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  464.  @mrslickcornerhousemusic6169  Answer his question or are you just another "informed" FE who can't explain anything?
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  465. Patricia Dennis We ask because people tend not to think in numbers and assuming it would be automatically obvious to the eye. The Earth is closer to a perfect sphere than a pool ball.
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  466. Patricia Dennis The Apollo photos don’t show a nice round image because the lunar trajectories did not take them fully on the sunward side of the planet. I don’t recall being told at any time that the moon could not be seen during the day.
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  467. Petroleumalley No, a penguin.
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  468.  @taniaperez3230  https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ It's not difficult to confirm and Flat Earth relies on wilful ignorance on the part of some people, e.g., refusing to read and think about whole paragraphs in NASA documents.
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  469.  @taniaperez3230  You're confusing scepticism with cynicism and appear to assume espousing a different opinion makes you a critical thinker. Taking what you hear with a pinch of salt is sensible, dismissing everything as lies is not.
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  470. Moon Howling What do you find unreasonable about the globe model?
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  471. DigitallyAnalogous You’re arguing that the inability of FE’ers to produce a working model is evidence they are right?
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  472.  @Defy5  It’s indicative of how far the Thinkers actually think things through.
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  473. sonydogman You’re 30 years behind. Try to catch up.
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  474.  @GuardianSoulkeeper  Sometimes links appear in comments, sometimes they don't with no apparent rhyme or reason.
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  475. I gather up to about 50 shots though some vaccines require multiple shots. You had fewer due to where you live and fewer vaccines being available at that age.
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  476.  @itshanhan1  Covid started in China; disease spreads. After decades of control polio, mumps & measles are all increasing through a combination of immigration and vaccinations not being administered.
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  477.  @pooldogbear7660  One More Orbit, Mike Horn, PanAm Flight 50 in 1977 & TAG Transpolar08 flight in 2009 are all circumnavigations.
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  478. Nim Chimpsky The eye detects the light that reaches it; it does not have a maximum range. Meniscus, raindrops & waterfalls all have curved water. What do you think determines the top & bottom of Earth?
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  479. Buck Rogers Both fossil & encasing rock would be radio-dated. You’re confused with what was done prior to radio-dating; the older the rock, the less developed the fossilised creatures.
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  480. Earth is flat,if not show me earth from moon There are several direct flights between South America, Africa & Australia daily. Companies provide flights according to demand for any particular route; there is heavier demand for flights to & from Europe than between the southern continents so indirect flights via Europe are economically feasible.
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  481. I don’t know if it will work but (on a phone) go to Library, call up the History list and delete these videos.
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  482. 4. To fool you, ie., no reason, it's an end in itself.
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  483. To be fair the ballot paper was a choice of who do you want the least.
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  484.  Chris Groves  I assume he means 6 destroyers & 13 frigates. There are other ships. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Navy
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  485. BlackDoom's Opinion Your unqualified opinion. If you want evidence then look here (https://arxiv.org) not Youtube.
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  486. BlackDoom's Opinion It’s easy to diagnose the source of your idea because Tesla never released anything to substantiate his claim of having an alternative theory.
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  487. BlackDoom's Opinion Tesla gave nothing beyond a title. He gave no details whatsoever in any form. If he gave no details then there are no details of Tesla’s to read. Anybody can stick Tesla’s name on their own idea. Do you need it spelt out more clearly?
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  488.  @longgone6312  It takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine, not test it. With Covid vaccines they adapted existing formulations from similar viruses and ran the necessary tests in parallel rather than sequentially.
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  489. 🍸
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  490. Sherry Lobb How did it work out?
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  491. “Never been vaxxed and never had covid” So?
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  492. They used to think of moved upwards at a constant velocity. It eventually dawned on them it would have to be accelerating and would require reaching impossible speeds very quickly. Now they argue things spontaneously fall for no apparent reason.
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  493. Example?
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  494.  @rayopeongo  How do the sycophants manage money when they can’t understand what zeros on the end mean?
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  495. "western medicine masks symptoms" There's curative medicine and there's palliative medicine. The existence of the latter does not preclude the existence of the former. Curative medicine treat the underlying cause, the symptoms do indeed disappear as the cause it removed; that the symptoms disappear does not mean it is a palliative medicine. Most of what you are advocating relies on the placebo effect.
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  496.  @jefferylittleton1005  Minimise, not eliminate; as long as there is glucose in your bloodstream the cancer cells can make use of it. Kids are growing; their capacity for metabolising is fat is greater than fully grown adults. That does not mean adults can't metabolise fat or there is anything inefficient about their fat metabolism; they simply have less capacity than kids and it will get stored. It's why juvenile medicine is a speciality and drugs have to be developed specifically for use in kids.
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  497.  @jefferylittleton1005  Homeostasis means you have a constant 5mM glucose in your bloodstream; your body actively works to maintain that concentration. Any higher and insulin will increase cell uptake, any lower provokes the release or synthesis of replacement glucose. 70% of your calories assuming that your calorific intake is kept to a set limit. Kids need more than adults. An adult trying to pursue a kid's diet will gain weight through fat accumulation. Insulin has a number of functions; the main one is inducing glucose uptake.
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  498. Jeffery Littleton Homeostasis is the ability of the body to maintain a “default” condition. You can increase or decrease you glucose intake, lipid intake or insulin sensitivity and the body will work to maintain, inter alia, 5mM blood glucose. Whether that knew from your diet or lipolysis is irrelevant, it will try to maintain 5mM glucose. There are insulin-insensitive cell types whose glucose uptake is dependent on the glucose concentration. Too little or too much glucose and the cells suffer; diabetics start behaving irrationally with hypo & hyperglycaemia for that reason. Multiple hormones regulate lipolysis, insulin included; its main role is still dealing with blood glucose. Congratulations on your diet but losing weight does not make you an expert in physiology. It’s a bloody complex system and is not controlled by a few key agents.
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  499. Science papers require method and results to be fully documented. Look up arxiv and PubMed.
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  500. You're flat in a photo therefore....
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  501. Take a look at his other video on the subject. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyD8VIK032o
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  502. The train can be readily observed to be moving.
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  503. They don't have theories in the scientific sense, just readily disprovable claim for individual effects that are contradictory to other observations. "the US has exceptionally gifted scientists" A good proportion of us being immigrants.
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  504.  happy muttonchop  The Doctor.
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  505. You duplicated 1 & 6. The Japanese attack was launched from a fleet that sailed from Japan though that doesn’t answer where all the fuel came from.
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  506.  @Nyrufa  The FE light both does & doesn’t reach that distance depending on which they do or don’t want it to.
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  507. Obviously sarcasm - you were too specific about who They were. 😊
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  508. Several claimed they can easily debunk it but zero have actually tried it.
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  509. RationalSkeptic22 One actually tried a few days ago, made a complete balls-up of it and deleted the thread.
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  510. I suggest you check that you haven't been banned. Logout of your Youtube and see if your question is still visible.
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  511. He was the guy who wanted structure and epidemiology in one paper knowing that most people wouldn’t realise that they would be covered by different groups?
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  512. Only if the Earth was flat, in which case you would be representing a 2D surface on a 2D surface and thus could do so without distortion. In trying to represent a 3D surface on a 2D surface some stretching is necessary; all 2D maps of the world have that fault.
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  513. Dave Heart The dates for vaccination and autism appearing correlate; there is no correlation between who is vaccinated and who develops autism.
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  514. Most are going to beyond redemption but there are those who are just looking down the rabbit hole; they can be satisfied with evidence.
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  515.  @lak0803  Assuming the architecture to be sound, your apartment block should appear perpendicular to the Earth's surface in that locale. From space there is no up or down from which to define a "sideways" direction.
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  516.  @rayopeongo  The bionic man is still around... :-)
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  517. Buck Rogers It didn’t fail in a court; is it really too difficult to comprehend what the case was about?
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  518.  @vaggs75  You realise that we pay taxes too?
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  519.  @vaggs75  "well-educated people, with no political agenda don't seem to understand that government revenue comes from taxes" I'm quite aware that I am paying taxes and I'm quite aware of who's taking it.
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  520.  @vaggs75  Which country are you from?
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  521. As far as the next passenger? :-)
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  522. @Very Polite Duck PL Josh fight?
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  523.  @freegeek2367  Which is why I asked a question.....
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  524.  @thewiseold_chicken5523  Any success?
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  525. Billy Bob https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/
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  526.  @apryason  The longer the mission, the greater the risk; Apollo missions were only two weeks while a trip to Mars would take many months. She does stipulate the problem is with dosage.
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  527. FE'ers seem incapable of thinking beyond a single observation point.
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  528. Where do they think water disappears to?
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  529.  @phoko2746  How do they think the water goes up without evaporating? It's a novel if still dumb claim by FE'ers so I'm curious where they think the water disappears to if it doesn't evaporate.
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  530. They used wide-angle lenses for the landscape shots; that shrank the apparent size of Earth.
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  531.  @ArKritz84  They can’t figure out whether stairs go upwards or forwards?
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  532. Susceptibility is genetic; what triggers it is not known.
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  533.  @janerogers8201  Worse still - some people believe it.
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  534. Vaccines can use a fragment of a virus shell, a “dead” virus where only the shell is present (no genetic material to enable reproduction) or an attenuated virus which replicates too slowly to be infectious. They act to prime the immune system so if & when the body encounters healthy virus it can react fast enough to destroy the virus before it replicates sufficiently to be a problem.
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  535. TheFatYankeePirates He’s asking if you’ve looked for flaws in it, particularly when you’re saying a FE conspiracy is there to distract, ie, is there nothing compelling about your conspiracy theory that it could outshine such a distraction?
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  536.  @yingyang1008  It's not illegal, just unsafe. If the plane comes down you're stuck.
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  537. You’re ignoring the axial tilt in the model you are complaining about.
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  538. Local weather aside, the atmosphere is moving at the same rotational velocity as the Earth; how would it stop the balloon continuing to move with the Earth?
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  539. Will Botti How far you can see is determined by atmospheric refraction and your elevation; the object’s visibility is also dependent on its height & elevation. Claims of impossible distances are dependent on ignoring such key factors.
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  540. Petroleumalley Presumably a real-time video on fast forward 😊
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  541. Ask them how the sun sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. See if they can find a video of someone zooming the set sun back into view.
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  542.  @DrSakthi  Do you understand what numbers are?
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  543. That's the lunar phase, not the lunar eclipse; phases are due to the relative orientation of the sunlit side of the moon changes as it orbits Earth.
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  544. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  545. If you’re prepared to look then they don’t have much of a case.
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  546.  @PresidentJeanAuguste  With comedy shows the jokes vary... 🙂
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  547.  @rusblock  I would guess that the Them are employed by the They.
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  548. OMG GMO Which even if it were true would mean the phases would appear to vary across the face of a FE. They have difficulty thinking beyond personal observation.
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  549. R Nickerson I was referring to the self-illumination, not the magic.
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  550. Rachid L'Allali Traceable signal to, one& from the moon, detectable equipment left on the moon and verifiable material brought back.
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  551. LaRue How big a difference would you envisage finding on a globe the size of Earth?
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  552. As long as the truck isn't moving too fast and you jump rather than throw a ball the effect will be negligible. The cabin would also give some protection from airflow.
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  553. Josh Noss Duplication of sequences during replication followed by differing mutations within those sequences.
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  554. Josh Noss The most likely outcome is triggering cell death. You need to think about all the possible outcomes, not stop after the first occurs to you.
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  555. Josh Noss The videos are straw men arguments. Breeding relies selecting variations that already exist. What new gene variants do occur that relate to breeding are single base mutations and small insertion of deletions within genes. Your videos relate to evolution, not breeding. They assume every change occurs in one or two steps rather than a long series of tiny changes and get incredulous that the former is claimed by evolution, which they aren’t.
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  556.  Josh Noss  Abiogenesis and evolution are two different things. The former is how lifeforms come into existence, the latter how lifeforms change. Both require a long series of tiny steps not a few abrupt steps as portrayed by these kind of videos.
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  557.  Josh Noss  Which would only be possible if it occurred at the speed you're erroneously envisaging.
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  558.  Josh Noss  Reproducibility of experiments, not a million years. Abiogenesis does not require anything impossible to occur.
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  559. Josh Noss You’re confusing the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory. That nobody has yet reproduced it (few people possess a planet size lab and a million years to spare) does not disprove it; that individual steps can all occur supports the concept.
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  560. Josh Noss The majority were reasonably accurate which is why they continued to be used.
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  561.  Josh Noss  No, just better informed and less likely to fall for strawman arguments.
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  562.  Josh Noss  "Evolutionsist theory thinks manatees are elephants that went back into the water." Straw man argument. The genetic & anatomical evidence points to a common ancestor >50 million years ago, not that manatees are descended from elephants. "With 0 evidence in either the fossil record or anywhere akin that there is any midpoint animal in between" Straw man argument. Since one is not descended from the other there is no reason to expect such a fossil to exist. "The bombardier beetle, the tongues of woodpeckers" As I pointed out earlier they are straw man arguments that assume abrupt large changes rather than tiny sequential steps and demand explanations for an assertion only they have made. "If you have a halfway developed organ like a kidney or liver in a animal you have a dead animal.. " If your physiology requires a fully developed kidney or liver you would be dead. If your physiology does not yet require what (to us) is a fully developed organ then there isn't a problem. Again, evolution deals with small gradual changes, not a body abruptly requiring a different organ; trying to present evolution as claiming that is a straw man argument. The appendix plays negligible or no part in digestion in child or adult. That it has developed endocrine cells in what was digestive organ is indicative of evolution. Not distinguishing between two different functions when making your claim is a straw man argument. That you refuse to accept evidence on religious grounds does not invalidate said evidence. Dismissing abundant evidence because it offends your religious sensibilities is not a logical argument.
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  563.  Josh Noss  To reiterate, that you refuse to accept evidence on religious grounds does not invalidate said evidence. Dismissing abundant evidence because it offends your religious sensibilities is not a logical argument. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon based on extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning. http://paleobiodb.org/classic/checkTaxonInfo?a=checkTaxonInfo&taxon_no=64963
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  564. Josh Noss If you’re using the word atheist as an insult then my assumption is correct. If you want the evidence then you need to be prepared to read textbooks and dig through journals. It isn’t going to fit in a Youtube text box. Videos where the “How is this possible?” is the end point rather than starting point are not evidence. Artificial beehives as built by humans.
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  565. Josh Noss Back to argument from incredulity. Darwin realised the development of hive structure would need to be incremental not abrupt. The twits you’re watching can’t get their heads around incremental development. You need to check your drum doesn’t have a hole in it before you start banging it.
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  566. Josh Noss I have repeatedly pointed out to you that you are producing nothing but straw men and explained why they are straw men. You assume I am atheist apparently because I am not flabbergasted by your assertions but see them for what they are. It doesn’t say much for theism or Christianity that I am expected to ignore or even believe false assertions.
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  567.  Josh Noss  "most of what you said is based on fabricated evidence" I pointed out the errors in the reasoning of the claims you were repeating. "through genetic studies they have traced every man back to a common ancestor?" The mitochondrial DNA, not the genomic DNA, and it does not demonstrate there was once only one person on Earth. "they might have found the DNA evidence for crossbreeding between something you don't believe in" Why would I not believe in Neanderthals?
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  568. Try refuting what he says rather than starting with insults.
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  569. Some people see maths as nothing more than numbers on a sheet of paper; they have no comprehension that it is descriptive.
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  570. No vaccine is 100% effective; some people will fail to develop the immunity. The aim is to get sufficient people (>90%) immune so that the few who aren't have less chance of becoming infected or have the opportunity to infect someone else if they do; that is herd immunity. Refusing to be vaccinated decreases the efficacy of the vaccine in achieving herd immunity; the virus can still be passed around and has time to mutate into a form that is poorly recognised or even unrecognised by the vaccine.
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  571. Vegan Snacks You said 7:45 which is the previous scene. I take it you see invisible harnesses on the astronauts in the foreground? The guy in the background has a two-way radio on his belt; are you referring to the aerial?
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  572. Vegan Snacks Itz had an educated guess at a harness, I’m telling you its a radio aerial and you’re chuntering about real-time CGI editing.
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  573. Vegan Snacks Why does the existence of one camera preclude the existence of other cameras? Air bubbles always move rapidly upwards. These don’t. How do you conclude they are air bubbles? Prove you think; answer the questions.
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  574.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  The great thinker can't answer my questions?
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  575.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  "some random debris that has almost the same exact trajectory" What is the most obvious source of the debris? Again, you've already thought this out so you should have no problem answering.
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  576. Vegan Snacks Because I’m having to do your thinking for you? Answer the questions.
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  577. Vegan Snacks “what question?” <eyeroll> You have Morton’s demon.
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  578.  @JoozOwnTheMedia-xi3fl  I would explain the inherent fault in that declaration but the demon won't let you see it.
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  579. Schismatic Your comment needs to be directed at Vegan Snacks, not me.
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  580.  @trureef2319  Nasa is the Hebrew word for raise or lift.
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  581.  @ChrisFEJackson  For me to scorn your ideas you need to say what they are. You've been asked and all you can do is spout the usual tripe about thinking for yourself, questioning what you're told and the evidence is out there but zilch when it comes to explaining yourself. What are your issues with the globe model?
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  582. Suzette deleted her TED talk?
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  583. Look up conservation of momentum.
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  584.  @peterson7082  If you are watching videos in English then most of the people commenting will have English as their first language.
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  585.  @peterson7082  Because it is an English language video; you aren't going to get a balanced world population sample from one language.
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  586.  @jesusofbullets It would require a lot of people taking bribes and essentially nobody who was honest; that is less probable than cost-cutting measures leading to an ineffectual suicide watch system.
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  587. There would.
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  588. When density is being raised as an alternative to gravity then disproving the former means staying with the latter as the existing model. We don’t know how matter warps space time but we know it occurs. The warping alters the direction of motion of objects passing through it resulting in a “downward” motion towards the centre of mass. (Everything is in motion; objects may appear stationary relative to us.)
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  589.  @victorfinberg8595 I just saw that done on FUBAR. 😊
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  590. He lives abroad but he knows his acolytes, who are questioning what they’re told, asking questions and have open their eyes, will mindlessly accept anything he says.
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  591. They’re giving the FE case a shot in the arm?
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  592. Science works through experimentation and observation; claiming it is only through experimentation is the FE’er dodging explaining why observations don’t match they’re saying.
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  593. Smedley Butler They could predict the likelihood of an eclipse to within a day or so; today we have it down to the second in a precise route.
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  594. I don't think they have much concept of numbers. I'm curious to know how they manage their money.
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  595. Jonathan Lindsey MD’s get paid for than PhD’s and the latter carry out most of the research, which is very different to treating people. I have epilepsy. There is no cure other than burning a hole in my brain. I take medication that limits the spread of the inappropriate neural activity with the result I have fewer and less intense seizures; the condition is tested, the symptoms are reduced.
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  596. Jonathan Lindsey And the pain & discomfort are alleviated by treating the disease.
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  597. What did you do to check the accuracy of those claims?
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  598. As the channel owner the comments for all the videos come to him in one single feed.
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  599. Do you want to try saying where you think he is wrong and why?
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  600.  @yingyang1008  The permit is cheap, less than a visa application to some countries. Equipping yourself for survival in that environment is expensive.
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  601. Matt Sorapure There have been experiments that used the known movement of the Earth to look for evidence of the hypothetical aether. There are morons who believe that failing to find evidence of the latter somehow proves its existence and disproves Earth’s motion. Do you want to try explaining their logic?
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  602. Azim Jivani Gravity was demonstrated by Cavendish in 1798, replicated countless times since with similar results. https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Explain how density could act as a force and why in a consistent direction.
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  603. 1 mile = 0.869 nautical miles regardless of direction.
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  604. I would say that they lack willingness and ability to interrogate their ideas rather than lack opportunity.
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  605. Widget Failure to consider competing factors seems to be the main problem.
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  606. Donnybrook High elevation and favourable atmospheric refraction.
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  607. The air would have minimal effect at 30mph and while using a sealed vehicle would be more accurate there are idiots who immediately presume you’re referring to a dome.
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  608.  @atamisk21  How would parallel rays strike a curved surface always be perpendicular to the surface? Explain your reasoning.
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  609.  @Matuse  You have to look for real crepuscular rays and not be taken in by the fake ones The Government makes 😊
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  610. Good Bonezz It’s a rule of thumb that was used by land surveyors prior to calculators. It is purely for approximating the curvature of the surface and becomes increasing inaccurate with distance. It will not calculate how far you are able to see because that is dependent on other factors such as observer elevation and atmospheric refraction.
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  611. Slightly but not significantly.
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  612. penny fulton 70% of the Earth surface is covered with water, not 70% of Earth is water. Momentum keeps the Earth moving; it doesn’t need to power itself to move. What acceleration and deceleration that does occur is the result of gravity. A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  613. There's this concept called dosage that some people have a problem with. Two aspirin will deal with a headache while 200 aspirin in one go will kill you and two aspirin for each of a 100 headaches will do no more harm that 2 aspirin.
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  614. Any change in a body's movement requires the application of force. What do you propose provides this force?
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  615. @Buck Rogers He didn't request any information. Are we supposed to supply a complete dissertation on the subject in every reply?
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  616. @Buck Rogers Long Island isn't transparent.
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  617. Mike Tibble Because Piccard didn’t get high enough for curvature to be apparent to the eye. The Earth deviates very, very slightly from a perfect sphere. What is so difficult to understand? Are you assuming any deviation just has to be huge?
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  618. A spirit level lies perpendicular to the direction of gravity in whichever locality it is in. Many FE’ers think there is a universal down and that would be reflected in the spirit level apparently tilting.
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  619. The Earth’s axis of rotation is inclined relative to the orbital plane, not perpendicular to it. When the inclination means the northern hemisphere is towards the sun you get long days & short nights.
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  620.  @Frostspirit  In addition to the magic keeping the sun up and propelling in a circle they usually claim the sun's circle magically expands & contract over the course of the year, producing the day shortening & lengthening observed in the northern hemisphere. They aren't fazed it clashes completely with what is observed in the southern hemisphere or offer any explanation on how the sun moves.
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  621. Ahmed Hassan A common misconception about an object moving is that other objects must be static to compare that motion to. They have great difficulty visualising the Earth, the atmosphere and then all in motion.
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  622. josh b Have you tried looking through a barrier where you don’t already know what is on the inside?
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  623.  @joshb1522  You know from biology lessons what lies beneath your skin and the human brain has potent imagination, especially under the influence of some drugs. Unless you can observe something of which you don't have prior knowledge you're not actually demonstrating anything. Occam's razor means hallucinating under the influence of a drug is a better explanation of what you saw; there is no need to call upon an unknown, unproven sense. If you wish to demonstrate such a sense really exists then you need to demonstrate that, not just settle on it as a nice explanation of what you saw.
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  624. Jeff Bridges “all the evidence indicates it is flat” You haven’t produced any of this evidence, just summarily dismissed all evidence to the contrary.
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  625. Jeff Bridges He’s asking for someone to prove Earth is a parabola.
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  626. sitting bull Atmospheric refraction makes the sun & moon appear higher than they actually are; watching the progress of the sun prior to the eclipse demonstrates that. FE’rs just have great difficulty handling more than one variable at a time.
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  627. You realise you aren’t obliged to watch it simply because YT starts playing it?
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  628. You can’t; despite endless claims of zooming something back into view no FE’ers have produced a video of zooming the set sun back into view. They rely on objects small enough to pass beyond the limit of their visual acuity, incorrectly assume that distance is the horizon and pat themselves in the back when zooming the object back into view, ignoring thx fact it just disproved their assumption. On a FE you would be able to see several hundred miles before the view faded into atmospheric haze.
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  629. Liberty Blueskyes Where are the holograms being projected from and by whom?
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  630.  The Mandalorian  She used to serve Noodle Pie?
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  631. Bowaba Bowaba Gravity and scale. The air pressure very gradually diminishes with increasing altitude. As long as gravity’s downwards pull matches the impetus for gas to expand into lower pressure areas then everything stays in place.
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  632.  @salramos3rd  The document is titled "Derivation and definition of a linear aircraft model". Why do you think concentrating on the maths for a linear aircraft model is inappropriate for a document dealing with linear aircraft maths?
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  633. Slashthekitsune Everything is moving; an object’s motion is measured relative to a reference point which has to be arbitrarily declared “fixed”. In this case your position is the “fixed” point and you observe the sun moving relative to you.
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  634.  @memberofearth8481  For the speed the truck is moving at, the size & weight of the ball and the distance thrown the effect is negligible.
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  635. Scott Dixon You’re confusing eclipse and phase. The Earth casting a shadow on the moon is an eclipse. Half of the moon is lit by the sun; phases are caused by the change in our viewing angle as the moon orbits the Earth. On the FE models the phase would depend on where you were on Earth; different people would see different phases simultaneously.
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  636. Regardless of how divinely-inspired the Bible may or may not be, it was committed to writing by people with a limited understanding of the world around them and very different ethics; their limitations impact on what they would write. It would be unwise to take it literally or assume accuracy.
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  637.  @MrQuaiven  Just the one donkey IIRC and it did give the chap a shock so I assume it wasn't universal :-) I can't help but note that even the most ardent fundamentalists aren't even suggesting stoning people to death so the literalism does seem limited in scope.
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  638.  @levenkay4468  Apparently the mind control only works if you first believe that the Earth is a globe.
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  639.  @pt3800  You’re confusing lunar phases with lunar eclipses. The latter are the Earth’s shadow. Phases are due to the moon’s orbit around Earth changing how much of the sunlit side of the moon we can see.
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  640.  @pt3800  With the usual FE model of sun & moon inna horizontal circle above a flat surface, the lunar phases would have a 1 day cycle (not monthly) in the southern hemisphere, be either always lit or in a daily cycle in the northern hemisphere and the visible phase would alter with your location. It’s why the gurus don’t want people to think about it.
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  641. All the way down :-)
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  642.  @dangagnon367  "the sun size should not vary 10-50 times in size as it does from various places on our planet" It doesn't. The glare (diffusion of the light as it travels through the atmosphere) varies according to the ambient weather; if you wish to measure the angular diameter of the sun you need a solar filter on your camera. "THE EARTH IS MUCH CLOSER TO US AS IN THE FLAT EARTH MODEL" Shouting doesn't make any you correct. If it were that close then the angular velocity woudl vary markedly during the course of the day and it doesn't. "Each and every proof for the contrary is rubbish and easily debunked!" Se FE'ers keep saying but none of you can actually do that.
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  643. They noted the periodicity of the events and calculated from that; they did not model the solar system.
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  644.  @striveforsuccessstudysmart3509  Failing to comprehend scale is a recurrent problem with the FE'ers posting here so it gets picked up on quickly.
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  645. "The truth is that we don't know where we live" https://www.popsci.com/10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ "The flat earth side has some valid points" Which are...? "if you fall for all the lies and Pics that NASA gives you" NASA is not the world's only space agency; it wasn't even the first. Their pictures have the same content as everybody else's. The conspiracy twits can't up with any legitimate explanation of what they think is wrong with the pictures, just idiocy that can't understand how a camera works on or grasp that there is more than one altitude. "They lied about going to the moon" Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  646. No but they did shut up about FE.
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  647.  @martingregor9173  Jenner worked on a smallpox vaccine in the 1790's. The Salk vaccine was developed in 1952 and entered field trials in 1954. Bill Gates was born in 1955. Explain what role you think he played developing these vaccines.
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  648. Irritating when you've spent time putting in an explanation.
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  649.  @squatchy_J The sun has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees; it can be well belie the horizin for twilight to have ended before Venus sets.
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  650. Do spiders and cars have comparable masses?
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  651.  @Lilnasty-jo3dc  How does density acts as force and why in a consistent direction? What causes weight? Gravity's existence is long proven: https://www.jstor.org/stable/106988 I doubt a butterfly weighs the same as an ocean. Do you expend the same effort lifting every object regardless of weight? Given a 25,000 mile circumference globe, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find? NASA is not the only or the first space agency and the Earth was demonstrated to be a sphere over 2 millenia before the US was created. Try actually reading those ARL docs. (Yes, we've seen them.)
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  652.  @Lilnasty-jo3dc  I gave you the link to the paper that demonstrated gravity; what do you find wrong with the methodology? A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. You can't dismiss it as just gotta be wrong. "curvature can’t be found on earth! " We have the whole globe mapped. How much curvature do you need to find to be satisfied that curvature exists? "I have seen land out at sea over 50 miles away" This FE inability to understand how elevation & atmospheric refraction play a significant role in how far you can see, not just curvature. "I have eyes and a brain to see and test things" What experiments have you done? "The Bible tells us it’s laid out and sets on pillars and has 4 corners and God said the earth can not move!" I suppose that answers my previous question.
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  653. Ibrahim Zobir What determines the directions of up & down?
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