Comments by "Flook D" (@flookd5516) on "Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 2: The Stars" video.

  1. Possibly claim that the secret NASA programming embedded in the internet has manipulated the pictures en route. 😊
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  2. The motion is similar but not identical; the direction of rotation is in the opposite direction. It’s an ambiguous description.
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  3. Down being towards the centre of the globe. What direction do you envisage and why?
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  4.  @ffrai3094 Assertion rather than argument; they never go into details about how it coukd work and certainly never explain how The Government was achieving it before The Government existed.
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  5. Where do you think he is wrong and why?
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  6.  @trishbrooks9133  "When you explain things calmly and without the need of mockery that’s intelligent" When you're explaining something for the third time with the knowledge they will promptly repeat the question as if you hadn;t answered how polite should I be and for how much longer?
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  7. You’re confusing a year and a day.
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  8. For reasons they can never explain and determined by means they can never provide, FE'ers think there is a giant monopole at the north pole; some even insist that all magnets are monopolar and that the south end of the compass magnet is there for show.
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  9. Especially when Mars is passing through Aries and there’s a conjunction in Sagittarius.
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  10. No phones & computers either.
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  11.  @rhetoricalquestion6009  It’s bloody irritating.
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  12.  @jonathanshaw3755  1. 1000 mph is a linear velocity and only FE'ers' heads do objects rotate in a straight line. To sane people the Earth revolves once per day. 2. Centrifugal force is strongest at the equator and is still <0.5% that of gravity. The difference in weight of objects between pole & equator is measurable.
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  13. What’s your technique for determining whether a picture is real or fake?
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  14. This is aimed at people who have difficulty grasping that, in a world of 8 billion people, it is possible to have more than one observer.
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  15. There’s respect and there’s politeness. When FE’ers have a great deal to say about the profundity of their thinking, the clarity of their insight and their razor-sharp reasoning but can’t understand the point in this video then I have no reason to respect their claims.
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  16.  @TheAurelianProject The topic is specifically flatearthers, not conspiracy theorists generally.
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  17.  @TheAurelianProject  You raised that issue, not Dave or the OP.
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  18. Natural philosophy rather than science.
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  19. Travel.
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  20. Educational videos still make up the vast bulk of what he does; the FE ones are a sideline. Check his video list.
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  21. What do you think the issues are with the globe?
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  22. Not sure what your question actually is but: The Earth rotates on its axis once per day. It orbits the sun once per year. Two separate motions.
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  23.  @petroleumalley  If it has an engine then wouldn't it be able to turn? Ah - no wheels!
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  24.  @20hztimanderson85  Let me guess - you didn’t bother to take elevation & refraction into account because you were only interested in curvature?
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  25.  @theimportanceofbeing1335 The Southern Cross is close to the sourh celestial pile.
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  26.  @theimportanceofbeing1335  I was interrupted and thought I discarded that 😊 The south celestial pole and Southern Cross would be visible (clouds aside) throughout the course of the night and would not appear to move (other than polar rotation). Different people would be looking south in different directions on a FE all night. A rotating dome would lead to east-west motion across the sky.
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  27.  @DDooMRooMM  They wouldn't look entirely different but different stars would become visible and some familiar ones disappear which is what he is getting at.
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  28.  @keku794  Go and watch his earliest videos on the subject.
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  29.  @Krugis  Given the amount of hairs the dog shed you would swear our house was made of fur. 😊
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  30. Firstly it's fact rather than opinion and secondly he's already done this politely and been met by a flood of abuse from willfully ignorant idiots professing to have profound insight on the subject, none of whom can actually answer questions despite professing the depth of their knowledge & understanding. This video reduces it to some simple reasoning and they still can't grasp it.
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  31.  @charliet1175  More than one force can act simultaneously. Since the ping pong ball would have a greater surface area per unit mass than the brick it would encounter more drag and be slowed. You need to try dropping both in a vacuum chamber; without air to provide drag they will both accelerate to the ground at 9.8m/s^2.
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  32.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Only if you use just two observation points. Difficult as it is for FE’ers to understand, when you use more than two points it is apparent that the sun is not local or the Earth flat. Explain how a plane can look down on the FE sun just above the clouds but can’t get high enough to fly over the sun.
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  33.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  The only way you would get a "hot spot" immediately beneath the sun is if it was just above the clouds. That also begs the question as to how there could be a "hot spot" without the clouds instantly evaporating. It also brings it back to my original point; how can the sun be above & below an aircraft simultaneously? "Perspective of the sun circling the Earth and getting far way is why you see Sun..." ...would be the sun greatly changing in angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day. Both observably remain constant, clearly indicative of a distant sun. If you are going to argue a local sun is still possible then have the guts to explain how it would maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity.
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  34.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  "By hotspot I really meant light beneath, not temperature, so my point stands, the sun is way above the clouds" Which would require the sun to be a very narrow spotlight, which could not appear as a sphere. "In globe model all sun rays should be perpendicular." I assume by hotspot you refer to a particular picture in which there is a yellow patch on the cloud with the sun apparently just above it. Essentially there is a lake beneath the clouds; the sun is near the horizon with a clear path to the lake; blue light is absorbed by the water, the rest reflected back upwards giving the appearance of a yellow patch. "If the radius gets bigger or smaller,the velocity may vary throughout seasons" We're talking about the predictable change size & velocity that would occur in the course of a day; why is the FE sun magically immune from perspective? Why can't one of you just answer the question if you all have it figured out? "Funny, wish I had more proof but somehow theres no clean rocket or satellite footage from high orbit, how convenient" Our current launch rockets only go to low orbit, even which shows you that the Earth is a sphere. High orbit satellites are released there then onboard rockets propel them out to high orbit; the process takes days, not minutes. Himawari-8 & Elektro-L satellite are in geostationary orbit (high orbit) while EPIC is at the L1 point, collectively returning several pictures per hour.
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  35. Which Queen do you have in mind? Red Queen? Queen of Hearts? Blackadder's Elizabeth?
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  36.  @KangenAlec  Because it’s a liquid.
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  37.  @enhaxed7839  I encountered someone who had the habit of posting the same comment 3 or 4 times then deleting whichever received the disfavourable comments.
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  38.  @lientais6076  “Where did I say anything about the horizon…” You started your OP by hailing Dubay “200 Proofs” as having disproved the globe. Like all FE’ers you’re assuming nonbelievers haven’t looked into FE ideas. We have; they are stupid, ignorant and incredulous and we have explained the errors and answered all questions repeatedly. Dubay’s “proofs”have been repeatedly debunked by umpteen people demonstrating their inherent stupidity and guff and still people such as yourself hail as a revelatory demi-god because they think different = right.
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  39. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/moon-footprints/ Not difficult to check.
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  40.  @neilclark9298  The sun rising & setting is make-believe?
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  41.  @KangenAlec  How to people fly and walk across the Notth pole without observing Eden? How does Eden exist in an arctic environment?
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  42. There's a difference between science and natural philosophy.
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  43. It has no variation in elevation. You’re visualising curvature as being elevation above a flat plane when your starting premise should be a sphere.
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  44.  @FaceyDuck If you’re British with American autocorrect or vice versa such spelling confusion can occur.
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  45. Stand on the equator and look up.
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  46.  @craig6430  Hence the jokes about heavily armed penguins 😊
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  47. "And nobody knows anything " That you now nothing does not mean other people don't. Can you comprehend that other people can know something that you don't?
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  48.  @amberalexander2741  Sure: 1.8 million deaths worldwide all to get Trump not elected.
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  49.  @charliet1175  An object can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; that it can be zoomed back into view before it reaches the horizon says sweet FA about the horizon. When the distance to horizon is correctly calculated (not 8”/mile^2) then no amount of zooming brings it back. Nobody has zoomed the set sun back into view. Perspective is not going to make anything disappear from the bottom up. A plane requires motion through air to provide the lift to remain airborne and for a set speed will have to maintain a constant altitude. When trimmed a plane will fly at a set altitude regardless of whether the Earth is flat or spherical; the flow over the wings keeps it at that altitude without manual adjustments being necessary. Nobody has provided any explanation for what a directional aerial pointed at the sky is supposed to be receiving signals from if not a satellite.
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  50.  @charliet1175  What answers do you think are missing from the globe exactly? FE'ers get asked repeatedly and all they ever come up with is ignorance & incredulity (see Prof Dave's earlier video The 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say) and never with anything that hasn't been already answered repeatedly. In my replies to some of your comments I've pointed out (yet again) about more than one force acting simultaneously, the need to determine where the horizon actually is before testing it and described some simple methods that enabled us to deduce the Earth's shape 2500 years ago. That someone doesn't know or understand something is not revelatory; that something is accepted as fact does not make it wrong. Asking what the evidence for for conclusion is is reasonable; dismissing something because you don't want to be "one of the sheep" is not.
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  51.  @matthewmead2374  The NSA was tapping into cables to collect data, not the cell companies turning over data. Conspiracies usually get uncovered; the bigger and longer running the more likely they are to be discovered. Conspiracy theories get laughed at because they are reliant on speculation and selective interpretation.
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  52. Wilfully ignorant rather than simply ignorant. These are the people who profess a deep understanding of Earth, the universe and everything but are mysteriously unable to answer or even understand questions.
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  53.  @ericb3157  You’d loop that world in a 100 metre dash.
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  54. They can’t get their heads around more than one observation point.
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  55.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Yes, I've seen the videos. I also understand what I'm looking at, not being taken in by the ignorant waffle simply because it is "different". Consistency is essential; the sun can't be in multiple places at once.
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  56.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Sure, but you need to come up with good explanations for the sun being in multiple places simultaneously.
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  57.  @Myyoutubemymy4118  Sure, but you need to come up with good explanations for the sun being in multiple places simultaneously.
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  58.  @KenBober The current polarisation in the US leads to both sides ignoring mountains of evidence as they see fit. Covid denial is an obvious point. Evidence would include the political opinions espoused by some FE’ers; most espoused opinions are unequivocally Republican.
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  59. They tend to use the Gleason projection rather than the Mercator projection though they haven’t figured both are projections of the globe.
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  60. Is Long Island transparent?
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  61. The Mandalorian Perhaps the UFO’s use the same trapdoors meteorites do?
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  62.  @bakonzetaim  We're talking about people who can see a non-existent clause in the Antarctic Treaty so it wouldn't be out of place for one to claim there were unlisted days on a calendar.
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  63. Something to do with the species of weed in each locality?
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  64.  @neilclark9298  How does it rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon? If you're going to say it shrinks away then explain how it retains a constant angular diameter while doing so. "real time video of 1000 miles' Produce it. Explain how the horizon can appear at multiple heights simultaneously.
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  65.  @Mrmusha53  How many people need to measure it to satisfy you that it has been measured?
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  66.  @Mrmusha53  We can't sense motion, only infer it; what sense do you think I would be denying? Why would be it logical to start from the premise that everything is a conspiracy to fool you personally? What is your reasoning that multiple experiments by competing sources must be fake? Are you arguing that being unable to sense something means it doesn't exist? If so, how does radio work?
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  67.  @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  "Would have been great if it was fully recorded." Two months of continuous footage that still wouldn't be accepted by the deniers? Why bother?
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  68. Entropian2012 When standing on the equator you can look north and see the stars moving anticlockwise (east to west) or south and see them rotating clockwise (east to west). Neither centre point of the rotation will be visible; both lie on the horizon.
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  69.  @Entropian2012  Longer to circumnavigate by what means and what route and by how much difference? Kindly don't refer to Captain Cook's voyages; it's tiresome explaining to people who haven't thought to check his routes. "The artic circle and the antarctic both should have similar climates" Why? Antarctica is a continent surrounded by seas while the Arctic is ocean surrounded by continents. "coincidentally on the flat earth model the north gets more sun light" While in reality Arctica & Antarctica receive the same. Have you bothered checking the times?
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  70.  @Entropian2012  They receive the same amount of sunlight. Still waiting on any explanation from a FE'er as to how the Antarctic can have 24 hr sunlight. "various sea captains reporting on it in their writings." How did they sail through continents? "Pear shaped earth being wider in the southern hemisphere." By about 40 metres in a radius of 6.4 million metres. It's not going to make a noticeable difference.
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  71.  @Entropian2012  To clarify - they receive the same amount of sunlight in observable reality. No, it isn't explained by caustic optics.
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  72. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  73. And empty seats that FE’ers could have used.
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  74. A bonny Scotsman with an Irish name?
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  75. Unsurprisingly they haven't thought it through that far. Of those that have tried answering it seems they just envisage an endless column. Somebody do reckon the firepits of hell are there but couldn't explain why a universal down wouldn't mean people fell out.
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  76.  @oneman7638  "The entire population of that species has to die off in order for that new randomly mutated being to be able to reproduce with another mutated just as it had become to be able to pass on the genes that have now been mutated" We all die; it doesn't require mass extinctions, just time. The mutant gene will occur in half the offspring, who in turn have their kids & grandkids and thus can spread as generations progress. It may eventually come to be in a substantial proportion of the population; if it confers some advantage to the individual then that increases the probability that it will. You don't need abrupt changes between a few or even a single generation, just time for a gradual change to progress through enough generations.
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  77.  @petroleumalley  There is a brand of brown sauce called A1; might there be a connection?
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  78.  @charliet1175  Motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris and two celestial poles, all freely observable and measurable. Still waiting on a FE explanation for all the above.
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  79.  @stevesmyth9324  Explain how one image being a composite means that every photograph ever ever taken would be fake? Blue Marble was shot on a single frame on film in 1973. Still waiting on a FE’er to zoom the set sun back into view. Meanwhile none of you are capable of comprehending there can be more than one reason you cant see something. Produce this picture of two buildings 250 miles apart. Try refuting the video.
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  80. Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went on an anti science religious bender.
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  81. By this point in his series the remaining FEers are those who still wouldn’t believe it if they were floating in orbit.
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  82. Which would leave an area of sky that is devoid of stars.
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  83.  @johnbiggscr  I suspect FE’ers would be happy to get on a one-way flight because they’d be convinced they weren’t going anywhere.
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  84. It seems that when the sun is too far way to be seen then you can see the small stars that are even smaller & further away.
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  85.  @KenBober  How exactly? See which rally the FE’ers are waving signs at? Leaflets through the door from the “Concerned Flat Earthers Network” telling me who I shouldn’t vote for?
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  86.  @therussells4950  The horizon is dependent on the observer’s location since elevation and atmospheric refraction are key factors as well as curvature. FE’ers only consider the curvature and consequently calculate the horizon incorrectly.
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  87.  @therussells4950  How do you think face masks reduce oxygen intake?
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  88.  @mattwilson487  I notice that like other FE’ers you neglect to say what you consider his errors to be.
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  89.  @chuckbury2212  What makes you think travel is impossible?
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  90.  @chuckbury2212  I come from one continent and live in another. What makes you think travel is impossible?
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  91.  @stuarthall4191  Some argue there is actually an infinite plane rather than an edge but, as with the edge, none of them have been there to witness it.
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  92. Scale in pictures from orbit. Satellites are typically several feet long, the next satellite can be a 1000 miles away and they’re photographing a planet 7,800 miles wide.
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  93.  @revelation9073 How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself? Why can’t water gradually over a large distance? Why does water in a weightless environment form a sphere?
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  94. I'm asking you questions since you are one of the people who claims to have the answers figured. Are you going to answer?  @revelation9073 
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  95.  @Mrmusha53  Why do I need to personally witness every measurement made for the measurement to be valid?
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  96. Mario Hernandez In the context used “all the time” means it’s recurring not that its continually occurring.
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  97.  @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  I don't know if English isn't your first language but I just explained what "all the time" means in this context, ie, not the literal meaning of a continuous stream of people but referring to repeated events.
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  98. ​ @MarioHernandez-eb9hr  That's just colloquial language; the intended meaning can be obvious to native speakers but sound absurd in someone used to formal speech. I think it's like climbing Everest; relatively few people do it but enough that there's nothing special about compiling a list of such people.
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  99. @Gucci Pane motion of the sun & horizons.
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  100. @Gucci Pane It rises, it sets, it maintains a constant angular velocity, the folks eastwards see the rising & setting earlier and the folks westwards see it rise & set later. What shape do you think the planet could be?
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  101. @Gucci Pane "a ball of light revolving around his non moving flat plane," Which predicts a variable angular velocity & diameter and 24hrs daylight since the sun wouldn't rise & set since it would not come within 10-20 degrees of the horizon. You need to reconcile that with the observed constant angular diameter & velocity, it's observed rising & setting and night. "no one would ever guess that the earth is spherical just by observation, or else some of the great ancient civilizations would have easily realized it to be spherical." The ancient Greeks figured it out from the motion of the sun, horizons, stars visibility & angle changing with latitude and eclipses. "so just by observation how would that person realize that the sun doesn't move? He wouldn't..: Not until telescopes are invented.
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  102. ​@Gucci Pane You asked how we could determine the shape of the Earth without study; what I described requires observation and thought. The terms I used are scientific but you don't need to know them simply to observe and think. The FE sun would appear to move very quickly around noon and pretty much and in the sky early morning & late evening; it would never come near the horizon (which wouldn't exist on a FE anyway) and you wouldn't need to know a precise angle to see that. When this is apparently true of everyone regardless of their location then spherical is the logical conclusion. That (along with stars) is how the ancient Greeks deduced the shape two millenia before science appeared. "so just by observation how would that person realize that the sun doesn't move? He wouldn't.." You didn't ask about determining whether the sun or earth was moving. The Ptolemaic geocentric system was assumed correct for 1500 years; only with telescopes & maths was it deduced Earth was a planet in a solar system.
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  103.  @FutureWorldX How did they reconcile the stars being different?
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  104.  @FutureWorldX  I’m curious about the FE’er rationale for the stars being different to what they claim. Usually it’s FE’ers in the northern hemisphere bellyaching normal people are failing to see the stars correctly; are Brazilian FE’ers just refusing to look or insisting it’s their stars everywhere?
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  105.  @KangenAlec  have you heard of seismology?
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  106.  @ericb3157  The Thinkers do assiduously avoid thinking.
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  107.  @MuhammadAhmed-bd7li  You realise that there is more than one astronomer on Earth? That they can share the data each collects?
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  108.  @jimtombson4042  Try stamping your foot when you say “it is".
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  109. Entropian2012 You mean FE models plural, none of which work. If you think you have a working model then produce.
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  110.  @enkiannu665  How does real-time CGI work exactly?
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  111.  @seosamhofionnaghain8699  Explain how you think NASA fooled the ancient Greeks.
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  112.  @tick6362  He thought he had reached India, hence naming the islands the Indes.
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  113.  @kitcanyon658  Spherical pills?
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  114. The stars would be in the wrong direction to observable reality.
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  115. The horizon is an effect of the curvature; there is too little distance to the horizon to directly observe the curvature (0.0144 degrees/mile).
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  116. Check Prof Dave’s debate with Flat Earth Dave (one of the gurus).
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  117.  @charliet1175  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  118.  Coldirty Bastard  All those papers state that they make the assumptions to limit the calculations to the aerodynamic, not factoring in flexibility in air frame, loss of weight from fuel consumption etc
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  119. They insist the sun moves in a horizontal circle above a FE rather than a vertical circle.
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  120.  @quinn1947  The nearest they ever get to explaining the inconsistencies with the sun’s movement is “You’re seeing what you’ve been told to see.” That you can track the sun’s size & progress seems beyond their comprehension.
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  121. zev bronshteyn It’s on the NZ flag; do they not exist too? 😊
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  122.  @Lightmane  A powerful telescope isn’t going to remove dust from the atmosphere; you will still lose clarity with increasing distance and even in optimal conditions the haze would limit your distance to several hundred miles at most. It’s still a substantially greater distance than the record photograph but not being able to see that far doesn’t faze FE’ers.
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  123. Obviously the people arriving at the far side were body doubles that NASA had had in the works for decades, planting American agents in foreign countries to raise their kids in preparation 🙂
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  124. The Discworld novels use Hubwards & Rimwards thought I suspect that won’t help.
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  125.  @totalpissing  The shape of the Earth is irrelevant to abrahamic religion; the sky & ground exist regardless of the shape. The OT was written by people who still assumed the Earth was flat (they predated the ancient Greek philosophers) and that is reflected in how they expressed some things but no doctrine requires the Earth go be flat.
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  126. jenbill1602 The smoking guns have changed but it’s the same abysmal reasoning, if at all.
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  127. "doesn't happen, doesn't happen, I've never done it so that proves it!!!!!"
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