Comments by "Flook D" (@flookd5516) on "Jubilee" channel.

  1.  @Globeisahoax  You gave real problems separating north & south from up & down, don’t you?
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  2.  @KangenAlec  FE’ers can’t explain how seasons work and your brains fuse when given the working explanation.
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  3.  @hullstar242  The carbonation in the drink leads to small CO2 bubbles attaching to the blueberry and giving enough lift to carry them to the surface. Once at the surface the bubbles pop and the blueberry sinks until it accumulates enough new bubbles to rise again.
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  4.  @Globeisahoax  You think reciting “it’s flat, it’s flat” is education? That you can’t any answer questions speaks volumes of your ignorance.
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  5.  @KangenAlec  Says the gut who insist the artist's impression of a FE is the real thing.
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  6.  @KangenAlec  Why can’t FE’ers answer questions?
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  7.  @Globeisahoax  No, people like you.
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  8.  @KangenAlec  Is that the information that you can't provide or the information that you ignore?
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  9.  @KangenAlec  Triangulation shows it’s distant.
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  10.  @janeddooee  The gravity exists is demonstrable and demonstrated with the Cavendish experiment. You don't need to know the precise mechanism of something not know it exists. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated with extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. The Earth was deduced to be a globe through the motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Poalris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude. The surface is fully mapped and is compatible only with a sphere. The exact shape is known down to the cubic metre (WGS84).
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  11.  @KangenAlec  Produce this evidence.
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  12.  @kohi48  Explain how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and rises & sets.
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  13. They envisage science as an endless high school lesson since that is their only experience of science.
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  14. AK47-toting penguins.
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  15.  @KangenAlec  NASA is irrelevant to this discussion.
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  16. Trade & travel requires accurate maps.
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  17. Says the guy who cant explain how the FE works but gets his questions answered repeatedly.
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  18.  @KangenAlec  What makes objects fall? If you're going to say density then explain how density acts as a force and why in a specific direction.
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  19.  @KangenAlec  So? The path of least resistance would still be upwards. You are describing air pressure as being the propulsive force.
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  20. If that wasn’t sarcasm then what do you perceive the job to be?
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  21. It’s not a matter ofwhat they think; there’s precious little thought goes on. However, running around preaching ignorance & incredulity to be the epitome of reasoning is harmful to society.
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  22. Which clause in the treaty forbids travel?
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  23. Weather aside, the view across Lake Michigan would be sufficiently short for Chicago to be permanently visible if the Earth was flat. The stars are obscured only by a thin layer of atmosphere.
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  24.  @tomatopotato1136  The documents he refers to are about experimental aircraft design; they restricted the maths to airflow, making several assumptions that would eliminate other variables for simplicity, eg, no weight change due to fuel consumption, no flexibility in the airframe, no terrain and no curvature. FE’ers are incapable of reading the whole sentence.
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  25. 5. None of you can supply evidence. 6. None of you explain what we can observe.
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  26. How do you travel between nations to understand each other if you have no functioning maps?
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  27. How does the sun rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  28.  @chainlinkoperator  On revolution per day, which the stars are observed to make, would give a tangential velocity of c. 1000mph at the equator (maximum distance from the rotational axis). The nearest star is 4 lightyears away; something that distance away is not going to be blurred by your motion. Objects move because a force is applied to them; water levels due to the action of gravity on it. Water does not have the means to observe its environment, make decisions or move itself. FE’er “evidence” relies on the ignorance & incredulity of the listener.
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  29.  @simeondawkins6358  It isn't; it is measurably "drifting" and Polaris has been the pole star since about 500 AD, preceded by Thuban (which is what the ancient Greeks were looking at). I referred to the visible constellations changing with the course of the year and your location, not the constellations moving around in the sky. Polaris lies close to the rotational axis; the pole position declines the further south you head until at the equator it passes below the horizon.
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  30.  @Globehoax  You still haven’t explained how you think CGI was achievable in the 1960’s.
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  31. You will be able to see the same polar stars all the year around but anything below about 30 degrees would and does change through the year. Those changes are where the signs of the Zodiac come from.
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  32. Generally one of: A. They’re just lights in the sky. B. They’re just appropriately aligned discs. C. Don’t look.
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  33. Two years and you still haven’t explained how a balloon could mimic it crossing the sky for 20+ years.
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  34.  @KangenAlec  Except the air pressure decreases with increasing altitude so why don't objects move slowly upwards?
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  35.  @Globeisahoax  Horizon is a result of curvature. Still waiting for your explanation for perspective making something disappear from the bottom up. What’s taking you so long?
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  36. That the sun rises & sets?
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  37. Scientific theories are comprehensive explanations for natural phenomena that are well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. They are not hunches or guesses; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. Theories are built with facts; they are not facts in themselves. The shape of Earth is a fact not a theory.
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  38. Brett Salisbury - religious fundamentalist and anti-semitic.
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  39.  @earaheart9527  "I see mercury and venus at night. Which is imposibble at your globe model" When the orbits of Mercury & Venus can put them at 10 & 20 degrees away from the sun respectively why wouldn't they be visible? "How does 8000 sattelites travel at those speed without colliding with each other." By there being about 1000 and travelling at different altitudes. "8000 is the number they give" Launched. Most eventually fall back to Earth and burn up in the atmosphere. "so why is the sky blue?" Diffraction of the sunlight as it enters the atmosphere. "I said those ridiculous speeds and they dont require fuel? " Conservation of momentum; when you throw a ball it continues moving when it breaks contact with your hand; the satellite is moving with the Earth while it is on the ground and continues doing so once it has lifted off. "Space has gravity then" No, mass has gravity and the satellite is within the Earth's gravitational field. "Theres a lot of model there" Produce a workable.
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  40. If there is nothing blocking the light then you would be able to see it.
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  41. I have a FE’er telling me that people across the FE see different stars from the same dome because they are looking in different directions. That’s the reasoning power that FE’ers employ.
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  42. 23.4 degrees, c. 65,000mph and what do you think is satanic about it?
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  43. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun & stars and horizons. Photos are the icing on the cake.
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  44. If it is so obvious to you then why can’t you answer any questions, eg, how does everybody in the FE see a crescent moon simultaneously?
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  45. The Earth is a physical, measurable shape; its shape is factual, not a matter of belief.
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  46. Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles and you might just grasp why direct observation isn't possible at ground level.
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  47. You see vapour trails; still waiting on anybody to prove that chem trails are real. The Earth was deduced to be a sphere 2500 years ago. Still waiting on FE’ers to explain how they think NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks.
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  48.  @KangenAlec  Irrelevant when discussing something thatwas determined long before NASA existed.
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  49. Still denying telescopes exist…
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  50.  @sheevpalpatine6139  GiaH is delusional rather than joking.
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  51.  @Globehoax  Answer his question.
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  52.  @Globeisahoax  An excellent example of FE’ers being unable to think beyond two options.
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  53. The limits of natural philosophy became apparent: our senses are limited. The notion that science is owned by “wealthy evil people” is a claim used by those who can’t understand science.
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  54. FE’er brains can’t handle more than one variable.
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  55. In which they demonstrated curvature… Do you know the meaning of convex?
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  56.  @Globeisahoaxx  Which ignores emergency landings that contradicts FE and certainly doesn’t explain direct flight between southern continents.
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  57. It means raise or lift. You realise that we publish methodology & evidence with the conclusions?
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  58. You still haven’t provided any evidence that either pact exists.
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  59.  @rudacr  With the end of the Apollo missions there was no need to continue developing heavy launchers or manned vehicles that could travel beyond low orbit; the technology specific to those aspects became dated and eventually incompatible with modern technology and requirements, e.g, you couldn't use Apollo craft for building a moonbase. People who can't handle that concept think there were simply files containing blueprints that were expunged worldwide.
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  60.  @tdmfragplayz2287  Mostly delusion.
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  61. Jubilee cut the evidence out.
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  62. How do you think the ancient Greeks were using green screens?
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  63.  @syarifairlangga4608  They are the normal lenses; you’re assuming fisheye solely because the horizon is curved. That is why I asked the question.
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  64. You still haven’t explained why the Earth being a globe would cause all that.
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  65. Owen Heart Conservation of momentum; they were moving with the Earth before they were launched and consequently continue moving with it. They don’t require fuel once in orbit; there is no resistance to their movement. Meteorites are the meteors that landed and are recoverable. How did they get through the dome?
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  66. There's 3hrs missing in which the scientists provide evidence and the FE'ers still none. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses - all observable by any FE'er and yet unexplained by none. Do you want to try?
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  67.  @Globeishoaxx  We tell you how the ancient Greeks deduced it and how you can confirm it all for yourself. You keep dodging questions.
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  68. The definition of planet was changed.
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  69. They don’t.
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  70.  @Globeisahoax  How difficult is it for you to understand which way arrows point on a diagram?
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  71.  @KangenAlec  You haven't provided any examples of that yet. You've had months; having problem locating some?
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  72. Open minded means the willingness to listen & consider alternative ideas, not just believe anything that us different. We listen, we consider, we reject what is crap.
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  73.  @Globehoax  Funny they all occur in the high northern latitudes and make sense on a globe. Meanwhile we are still waiting on FE’er explanations for direct flights between southern continents.
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  74. About a 1000 years after the ancient Greeks deduced it. You’re referring to the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system.
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  75. You’re trying to scam those who can’t figure out elevation has a role unless it is spelt out to them and who think an unsupported identification of a mountain is indisputable.​ @the_flat_earth_warriorz 
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  76. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. That’s how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth is a globe. 2500 years on we are still waiting on FE’ers to explain.
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  77. Scientific theory & law are two different things. Law is a description of a natural phenomenon, typically describing a mathematical relationship between the relevant factors, but says nothing of how it works. Theory is the explanations for how the phenomenon works; an established theory is well-substantiated by extensive evidence (facts), consistent with all evidence and all other possibilities have been eliminated. It should not be confused with the vernacular meaning of theory; scientific theories are not guesses or hunches. It's that confusion you are referring to.
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  78.  @Globeishoax  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees.
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  79. Be prepared for a long wait.
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  80. It’s you who says that; we keep correcting you.
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  81. Try actually reading full sentences and thinking before posting.
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  82.  @KangenAlec  If they can’t get through your dome how would anybody know what is beyond? Why can FE’ers never agree on whether there is or isn’t a dome or if there is it isn’t anything beyond?
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  83. Water is inanimate; it can’t find anything. It moves purely according to the forces acting upon it. What do you think would pull it off the globe?
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  84.  @joshuaseabrook9835  You can see the effect of curvature of objects passing over the horizon, e.g., the sun rising & setting every day and only mountain tops being visible from a significant distance. Smaller objects can pass beyond the limit of your visual acuity long before they reach the horizon which is why FE'ers talk about zooming a boat back into view but never try it with sun & mountains. How far you can see depends on curvature, elevation (observer & object) and atmospheric refraction, not curvature alone. The equation you refer to is a rule of thumb for geometric drop, much beloved by FE'ers because it is simple, possess only one variable and gives the wrong answers. That it is a parabolic equation and is never going to describe a circle doesn't faze them nor the fact that it doesn't take into account elevation & refraction, hence the wrong answers. The actual calculations are not simple; see separate comment in case YT takes exception to website names. I would note that the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth's shape from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and solar eclipses always having a circular shadow; all verifiable by anybody, all indicative of a sphere, all disproving the earth is flat and all unexplained by FE'ers.
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  85. Editing is permissible provided the content is not misrepresented. Adding boxes or arrows is necessary and permissible. Clipping to present an ROI clearly is necessary & permissible. Overlaying single-wavelength images to obtain a full colour image is necessary & permissible. Rendering an image in false colour is necessary and permissible. Stitching together images to create a panorama is necessary & permissible. Don’t lecture people on what you don’t understand.
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  86. Double standards are routine in this challenging established science.
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  87.  @Globeisahoaxx  You have yet to produce any evidence that everything is being faked. Why not try doing to that first?
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  88. How does the angle to Polaris match latitude? Why do laser gyroscope show 15 degree per hour motion? How does stellar parallax occur?
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  89. If science is wrong then how are you communicating?
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  90. Observation & deduction. That you don’t know how is your ignorance not your knowledge.
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  91.  @Globehoax  Why can’t you answer the question? Why can’t you answer any questions?
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  92. The guy who can’t answer any questions is still trying to claim he’s intelligent?
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  93. In common with other people of that time, the writers of the OT assumed the Earth to be flat simply because it looked so; though the Bible says nothing specifically that assumption is reflected in how some things were phrased. There are people who believe adopting such archaic beliefs because they feel it makes them closer the religious truth. Curiously they don’t advocate animal sacrifice.
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  94.  @Globeisahoax  And yet we can readily explain everything while you are incapable of answering the simplest questions.
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  95. You don’t need to know how something works for it to exist.
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  96. And don’t do either.
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  97.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for how perspective would make anything disappear from the bottom up.
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  98.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again dumbo, the Gleason projection is a projection of the globe. It says so on it; can’t you read?
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  99. Ostensibly someone who asks about evidence and mechanisms when presented with an assertion, eg, scientists. People like FE’ers claim they are critical thinkers to avoid considering evidence & mechanisms, and to make unfounded assertions that critical thinking would reveal the holes in them.
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  100.  @Globeishoaxx  You’re the most prolific poster; how much are you being paid and by whom?
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  101. By pointing out that the sun rises & sets you feel that we are just repeating what we’ve told?
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  102. Yet again, 23.4 degrees.
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  103. What do you find silly about the evidence for a globe?
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  104. Why not produce your evidence that aether exists?
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  105. They ignore the others or claim they’re branches of NASA when their existence is pointed out. I’ve never had an answer as to who launched Sputnik.
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  106. Motion if the sun, horizons, angke to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses; explain how you think The Government is manipulating them. That you don’t know how the shape can be determined doesn’t mean nobody knows.
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  107.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence….
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  108. What collaboration?
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  109.  @Globeisahoax  Really? Then why can’t you explain how a sphere only a lights a limited misshapen area?
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  110.  @KangenAlec  Explain why it would only light a select, missshapen area at a time. The notion is essential to FE, you all claim to understand how it works do his come none of you can produce this explanation? It’s supposed to be simple do what’s so difficult?
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  111.  @redspotaudio  The cover traps rising heat; nothing go do with the moon having a cooling effect. You have to think of all variables in an experiment, not just the factor you’re interested in.
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  112. Edited out.
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  113.  @KangenAlec  Evidence and relevance?
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  114. Such as?
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  115. Nothing stopping you getting a permit the same way you get a visa. Or you could just go with a tour operator and see for yourself the 24hrs Antarctic sun that you insist doesn't exist. Meanwhile you haven't set foot in Antarctica but belief you know more about that anyone else.
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  116.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting to hear how you determined that. What’s taking so long?
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  117.  @KangenAlec  How does a luminary have craters and shadows? How can it have phases if it is always completely lit?
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  118. It’s easy for scientists to point out Dubay’s errors. Why do you think Dubay won’t debate anybody?
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  119. Guess or hunch is the vernacular meaning of theory. Scientific theories are comprehensive explanations for phenomena that are well substantiated by extensive evidence.
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  120. Ignoring that the sun rises & sets is logical?
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  121. Jubilee edited the answers out; is that not apparent from the breaks in continuity?
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  122. By sending a radio signal from inside controls to robotic arms outside. What are you actually asking about?
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  123.  @Globeishoax  Better still go to Professor Dave's channel and see the debate he had with FED.
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  124. @F2 He doesn't answers any questions.
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  125. Denying reality in favour of belief, not believing differently. There’s a considerable difference.
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  126.  @KangenAlec  Karman line is about 100km up.
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  127. We can provide explanations and FE’ers can’t and you believe the FE’ets are correct?
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  128.  @Globehoax  Still denying telescopes exist then?
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  129.  @KangenAlec  You think NASA is faking FE as well as a the globe?
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  130.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles all contradict FE. Still waiting on your explanations.
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  131. In what way do you think FE’ers are correct?
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  132.  @KangenAlec  It passes overhead on s predictable schedule. You still haven’t explained how you think something in the atmosphere would be unaffected by the atmosphere.
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  133. Conservation of momentum. The atmosphere moves. Gravity.
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  134. What’s Dubay’s explanation for how density (a ratio with no direction) can act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  135. Eratothenes measured the curve around 300BC. It had been deduced the Earth was a sphere around 500BC from the motion of sun, horizons, eclipses and the angle to Polaris changing with latitude.
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  136.  @luisdiegosalas  "Some Flat Earthers have come with very clever interpretations of certain experiments." Clever is not the word that comes to mind.
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  137.  @Globehoax  And yet all the evidence supports a globe. When are you going to cough the FE evidence?
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  138.  @Globeisahoax  Tilted relative to the orbital plane not your imaginary universal up & down. Simple enough concept but beyond your mental abilities.
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  139. ​ @Boss_Feed  Most research in academia is supported through government funding agencies. We write grant applications describing what it is we wish to do (aim), the basis for the research (reasoning, hypotheses), how we intend to go about it (methodology) and what the expected results might be. The grants are submitted to the appropriate agencies (they are usually multiple dedicated to particular areas) where the applications are peer-reviewed (committees made up of fellow academics). Those considered most promising receive a grant. If & when you receive a grant then you are legally obliged to spend it on the project specified in the application. There is no obligation to arrive at particular results or draw particular conclusions; we don't receive instructions prior to writing a grant that tell us what we should be doing. We usually run into obstacles; if we knew what was going to happen it wouldn't be research. Even with the most promising projects dead ends will be encountered. While the awarding body will want updates so they know how it's going, the results are continually used to write research papers that are published in research journals. They lay out aim, methodology, results & conclusion. They too are peer-reviewed (by academics) and can be rejected. Over time, the multiple inputs from different pieces of research draw an increasingly complete picture of a subject. What makes it into school or university textbooks (usually written by academics) is the culmination of decades of work. They're not instructions or indoctrinations from on high; it's the long term result of the work we've been doing.
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  140.  @Boss_Feed  Government funded, not government sanctioned and the government never sees the methodology (reread what I wrote and think) nor gives me a “go ahead”. Ignorance is not knowledge; you not knowing the basis for a scientific conclusion means precisely that you personally do not know the basis. It is not mind-blasting knowledge that nobody knows or that nobody has bothered to check.
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  141. They are correct. A scientific law is simply a description of a phenomenon while a scientific theory is the explanation for how the phenomenon occurs. Uncovering the mechanism rather than describing the effect is the highest accomplishment.
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  142. Owen Heart Conservation of momentum. The satellites orbit the Earth and move with the Earth. How do meteorites pass through the dome?
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  143. worthless Aussie sinner saved by grace alone The predictions enable us to send probes where we want; if the model were wrong these predictions would be incorrect.
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  144. The video has been heavily edited to appear balanced, which meant the one way flow of evidence in favour of a globe was removed.
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  145. They’re referring to some meteorites that were found in Antarctica that were of lunar origin. They think scientists cant distinguish between the two.
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  146.  @aaronwhite3058  Mars is 60 million miles away, not 60 light years. I did note that a light year was about 6 trillion miles. If you are prepared to use a properly focussed telescope you will also find that Mars, Venus, Saturn etc are other planets within the solar system, not stars. They are also visible at night most f the year, not every 15-17 years. Where do you get your information from?
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  147.  @aaronwhite3058  As long as it's on the night side of Earth you should be able to see it, weather permitting; I think you are referring to the variation in magnitude (brightness) which changes according to the relative position of Earth, Mars & sun.
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  148. They’re very much hooked on personal experience & observation only.
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  149.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence.
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  150.  @KangenAlec  What keeps it up, what makes it move, what makes it change direction? How does a sun with a course thousands of miles in diameter remain only 50 miles from you? You claim you have the answers so produce them.
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  151.  @Globehoax  You still haven’t explained how NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks.
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  152.  @Globeisahoaxx  You need to provide your evidence. Nothing in over 2 years; are you having a problem remembering it?
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  153. Why would you not? The moon spends half its orbit on the sunward side of Earth. The sunlit part of the moon reflects sufficient light to be visible through the blue light that makes up the sky.
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  154.  @Globeisahoax  Why don’t you go and look as he suggests?
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  155. That's not how research grants or research papers work. You can look at research papers first hand on Arxiv and PubMed; try doing so.
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  156.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, axial tilt and spheres don’t have a top & bottom.
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  157. Flat Earth has no accurate maps, no GPS, no satellites, no long distance travel, no long distance trade etc.
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  158.  @rukaslyricist  You’d be waiting a long time; FE’ers claim they have conclusive evidence but only ever produce ignorance & incredulity.
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  159.  @raventaylor1757  Definitions are not changed lightly and are usually done to increase precision as new information & techniques become available. In this case it was a matter of clarifying the boundaries between asteroid, planetoid & planet as more & more larger asteroids ate discovered. The parameter of sufficient mass to mould itself into a sphere was included; Pluto falls short.
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  160.  @KangenAlec  You haven’t produced any evidence if this fakery yet? Why should anybody be convinced by what you can’t provide?
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  161. It’s been heavily edited; there’s no way of knowing what was said in the removed sections.
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  162. More importantly, how would they achieve that 2500 years before they existed?
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  163.  @eddy2fast260  Scale is not easy for FE’ers to grasp.
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  164. He was involved in a project that first measured the oblation of the sphere; that the Earth was a sphere was long since known.
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  165. What do you think we do in labs?
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  166.  @KangenAlec  If the vaccines are lethal then how are the vaccinated people still alive?
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  167.  @sustin9361  FE’ers don’t understand how indirect flights work. They think it is the same plane all the way.
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  168.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, the tilt is 23.4 degrees and spheres don’t have a top & bottom.
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  169. When none can produce this “biggest evidence” there is nothing for me to consider.
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  170.  @Globeisahoax  You have peoples attention - now is a golden opportunity to produce the answers & proof you claim to possess. Why is the guy so keen to educate people calling them trolls?
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  171.  @christopherbenedict5685  You think fuel tanks don’t become lighter as the fuel is consumed?
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  172.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on you to explain how you determined the FE sun was small, close and electric.
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  173.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  174. Try Professor Dave, starting with the video in the astronomy section.
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  175.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who’s been saying the same things day after day for four months.
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  176.  @clownontherun3449  They have no concept of scale. The Eiffel Tower is big when you're standing next to it therefore it just gotta be visible from space.
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  177. Evidence such as what?
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  178. The ancient Greeks were communists? Do you think that because they had public forums and voting?
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  179.  @lukasabcdefg5606  Don’t bother looking; they studiously avoid southern hemisphere flights except to talk about indirect flights and they offer no explanation why you would see water beneath you while passing over land. This guy never explains anything, just talks about how well informed he is.
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  180. Unless of course there is gravity pulling the gas towards Earth.
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  181.  @KangenAlec  If you are true seekers then why do you reject the truth of observable reality?
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  182.  @Ada-in6mc  He’s missing a lot upstairs and thinks everything’s conspiracy because it just gotta be.
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  183. You’ve been posting umpteen times a day for some years and nobody has silenced you. In fact you have steadfastly refused to divulge any of your evidence in that time; you’re silencing yourself.
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  184. Produce evidence of doing that. Assuming you are using binoculars equipped with solar filters, explain the sun is not shrinking but retaining a constant angular diameter.
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  185.  @mauromura7409  The video has been heavily edited and we don’t know what was said in the edited parts. Strictly speaking the topic is whether science is trustworthy rather than the shape of the Earth.
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  186.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't said what magnification & resolution you think the camera would need to do that? You've had a year to produce these number that you endlessly claim to be eager to share with everybody and we're still waiting. Have you mislaid them?
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  187.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  188.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on you to produce evidence…
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  189. Try reading whole sentences instead of cherry picking single words.
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  190. Do you have any evidence of these confessions?
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  191.  @Globeisahoax  Still in denial then...
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  192. You’re using the products of science to say that to everybody.
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  193. Because we knew the Earth was a sphere for a over 2 millennia and had mapped the globe by a few centuries before. You don’t need to be able to see something directly to deduce what it looks like.
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  194. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Eyeballing is not the only method of determining an object’s shape.
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  195.  @KangenAlec  How does density act as a force?
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  196.  @_uwu_9992  He’s so far down the rabbit-hole he denies he can see sun rise & set.
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  197.  @gracielanes2644  They can’t agree what is there; they just generally agree that they are agreed and none of them can provide any evidence to back up their claims.
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  198.  @xority9827  Unlikely; he’s renowned fir not answering questions.
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  199.  @Globeisahoaxx  You’ve yet to produce any evidence that Earth isn’t a globe.
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  200.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t answered my question. What’s the hold up.
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  201. What’s in our books is demonstrably true; proposed alternatives have been demonstrated to be false. A claim being different does not make it true, especially when it is demonstrably false. We are still waiting on FE’ers to produce their super-duper evidence rather than just repeating the same old claims that are reliant on ignorance & incredulity.
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  202. Why can’t any of you provide a copy of the text?
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  203.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence for that... Two years of asking...
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  204. There is abundant evidence for evolution. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  205.  @windupmerchant1679  They use the wrong maths to calculate the distance to the horizon, leading to a significant gap between their calculated horizon and the actual horizon. They zoom back into view boats that are in that gap. They never watch to see objects (eg ships, the sun) passing over the actual horizon it try to zoom those back into view. Presumably some have tried zooming the set sun back into view but none have demonstrated success.
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  206. Like spending $20k on a laser gyroscope to prove there was 0 degrees/hour rotation, finding 15 degrees/hour and ignoring it?
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  207. By what fact do you know nobody walked in the moon?
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  208. How motion do you expect to see for one tevolution per day?
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  209.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  It’s definitely the <insert personal bogeymen>.
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  210.  @KangenAlec  Why does the observable motion of the sun differ from that predicted by FE?
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  211. What inconsistencies? When FE’ers actually manage to consider a globe shape they tend to unwittingly envisage a circumference of only 25 miles (or even less). There’s been a few who have concluded the globe would work if it was orders of magnitude larger than what they are envisaging then proclaim thus evidence of lands beyond Antarctica.
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  212. The Hebrew word nasa means raise or lift. NASA is an an acronym, not a word.
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  213. The Kiran was written a millennium after the Earth had been deduced to be a globe.
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  214. The stars are very very distant and moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy rotates. FE’ers use the wrong maths and ignore factors like elevation & atmospheric refraction. If you use the correct maths and take all the factors into account then it works. Jubilee edited out most of what was said, hence the choppy presentation.
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  215.  @Globehoax  Asking you questions is not trolling you.
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  216.  @Globeisahoax  Diddums. Try answering questions.
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  217.  @BigPiscesEnergy  "can't break down what determines how much force an individual object gets" Gravitational force is directly proportional to the produce of the two masses and inversely proportional to the square of the separating distance. Mass is not a force. Density is not a force. Buoyant force is dependent on gravity; when gravity = 0 then buoyant force = 0. No gravity = no force.
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  218.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet ahain doofus, 23.4 degrees and 65000 mph. Where in the Bible does it contradict that?
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  219.  @-redranger-  None can be bothered to actually look and they can't explain seasons & time zones. GiaH has been given the answers repeatedly and refuses to supply any answers of his own, regarding questions as harassment.
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  220.  @joshuaseabrook9835  Walter Bislins' website lays out the maths and allows you to play around with the variables. The Metabunk Earth Curve Calculator has better visualisation but for simplicity assumes a fixed value for refraction.
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  221. The moderation edited out the one way flow of evidence.
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  222.  @jakeanthony1100  You need a permit to visit Antarctica the same way you need a visa to visit most countries. There’s a yacht race around Antarctica. Nobody is stopping any if you chartering a ship; why haven’t any if you tried it. You can deduce the shape of the Earth from the motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations changing with latitude. No FE explanation forthcoming how They are manipulating sun & stars, just cries of “don’t look up”.
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  223. There’s about 3hrs footage missing.
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  224. You still haven't explained why the app is accurate when it puts the sun in the wrong place.
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  225. They assume that if they can’t make sense of something then it must be nonsense; they seem to have no self-awareness of their limitations.
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  226. They've started discussions, not created a treaty, and it's npt intended to have any of the powers you're claiming.
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  227.  @rezeglazzed3665  He’s been posting for a few years and has yet to provide anything. He’ll accuse you of trolling because you’re asking him for his answers.
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  228.  @s1r594  The air attack was launched from an air-carrier fleet rather than planes flying all the way from Japan. I’m just correcting a misconception of how the attack was achieved.
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  229.  @KangenAlec  Which still doesn't answer the question....
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  230.  @KangenAlec  Why does the sun behave contrary to your supposed observations of nature?
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  231. Smoke & mirrors.
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  232.  @MediaBuster  Formation of second generation stars, their accretion discs and the application of maths & physics. No, it is not necessary to personally eyeball the formation of a planet to determine how it happened.
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  233. Because he’s erroneously credited with tried to prove the Earth was a sphere. That the Earth was a sphere was accepted knowledge; his idea was that it was much smaller than people thought and consequently that India was within sailing distance westwards.
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  234.  @Globeisahoax  Ive been replying to your comments for over a year and you complain when I do.
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  235.  @swaggykevin1522  1. NASA has only been around since 1958. 2. It is not the only or even the first space agency. People have used telescopes to look at stars & planets for centuries. 3. Still waiting on evidence of NASA lying.
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  236. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles - the ancient Greeks figured it out from observation of the world around them. The sun rising & setting is not factual?
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  237.  @paulwellington3406  What is about the sun’s patterns that doesn’t match what we are told?
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  238.  @paulwellington3406  Have you not noticed that all those flught passdd close to the Arctic Circle and that none were in the southern hemisphere?
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  239.  @paulwellington3406  Is f fhe Earth was flat & mapped then there would inly be one map. What was wrong with the sun on the NY to Moscow flight.
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  240.  @paulwellington3406  The world was fully mapped before powered flight was possible. If for some reason you think it can only be done from the air, what makes you think that clouds don’t move?
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  241. They never provide a reasonable explanation. They just keep claiming you can’t see it beyond a certain distance but can’t explain why or even pick a consistent distance.
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  242.  @Globeisahoaxx  You have yet to produce any evidence to back your repeated assertion.
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  243.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet afain be doofus: motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude…
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  244.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  245. Engineers apply what scientists have discovered.
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  246. What question? You realise the break are to edit the answers out so the FE’ers don’t look like fools?
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  247.  @KangenAlec  Though curiously we have working maps and all our explanations agree with observable reality and you can’t answer the simplest of questions.
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  248. By a force acting on the gas.
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  249.  @Globeisahoaxx  I know lawyers can charge a great deal but that doesn’t qualify as mathematician.
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  250.  @grainorpalaroan1737  He’s a Christian fundamentalist who thinks anything that contradicts their understanding of the Bible just gotta be wrong.
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  251. Clue: the atmosphere is rotating too.
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  252.  @KangenAlec  planos - Greek for wandering.
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  253.  @KangenAlec  Yet we can answer questions....
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  254.  @Globehoax  Produce it.
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  255. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude, shadow in lunar eclipses, moon phases. FE is easy to disprove with something as simple as putting a stick in the ground and noting how the direction changes through the course if the day.
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  256. We can verify it while you can’t explain anything.
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  257. There aren't any.
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  258.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on you to produce evidence…. Two years! Hurry up!
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  259. They just say the FE sun lights a limited, misshapen area because…. well…. because.
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  260.  @Globeisahoaxx  Asking you to divulge the evidence you claim to possess is harassment?
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  261. Who caters for the ignorant & incredulous and has been repeatedly debunked.
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  262.  @Globeisahoax  How do you think people reached Australia if they didn’t go?
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  263. Written about 1000 years after it was deduced that Earth was a sphere.
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  264. How difficult is it for a FE’er to read and comprehend a whole sentence?
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  265. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. It requires observations that anybody & everybody can make and basic spatial reasoning. We are still waiting for the ultra-perceptive, super-intelligent, profound thinking FE’ers to explain how all that is consistent with a FE. What do you think we do in labs?
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  266. Accurate maps ensuring long distance travel & trade. How many things do you buy with components made on the other side of the world?
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  267.  @Globehoax  How are you saying The Deceivers are manipulating the sun & stars?
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  268.  @BrianBattles  He never produces meaningful answers.
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  269.  @Globeisahoaxx  You cant explain how anything works on a FE.
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  270. @Aunty Mary Been asking him for months and all FE’ers for years. Answers so far: 1. They get a kick out of fooling you. 2. Hiding an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. To take sole advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. By getting you to believe in a globe they establish total mind control over you.
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  271. Because there are clueless plonkers like you running around social media spouting conspiracy & corruption ideas.
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  272. …is a great channel for the gullible.
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  273. Because an object can pass beyond the limit of human visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; if they haven’t reached the horizon then they haven’t gone over it. (Yes, there can be more than one reason you can’t see something.) No FE’er has zoomed a “half-sunk” ship back into view or zoomed the set sun back. Why is that?
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  274.  @Globehoax  Most FE’ers. Why can’t you all agree if you supposedly have all the answers?
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  275. It was disproved c. 500BC from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude.
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  276.  @Ash-bin_House  Try locating the video of the landing module touching down as filmed from outside.
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  277.  @Ash-bin_House  Why wouldn’t the technology have worked? Where did NASA say the VAB were impassable?
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  278.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence… Two years and nothing; are you having a problem? Which idiots upvoted him?
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  279. The video has been heavily edited to maintain the illusion of balance.
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  280. You realise the Google Maps is not a live image? That if you’re looking for travel instructions then it’s easier to see where you’re going if everything is shown in day time? Check the Himawari-8 website.
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  281. A lot of them seem unaware we observe & experiment. I think they assume science to be an endless high school classroom.
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  282. Some people seem unaware that we do; they think our entire career is spent inside a classroom.
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  283. There were 6 Apollo landings, not one. The US government ended the programme because the main purpose was a Cold War ego trip; the Soviet Union has been first at everything up that point. The scientific aims could be achieved a lot more cheaply with unmanned probes. The development of technology to build & launch manned vehicles ended in 1973 with the end of manned missions. Technology as a whole advanced and it is now 2021; what worked in 1973 is incompatible with 2021 technology.
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  284. No.
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  285. The Earth was determined to be a globe 2500 years ago. Modern surveying techniques developed 2000 years later.
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  286.  @Globehoax  Once again dumbo, there is no top or bottom to the Earth and the inclination is 23.4 degrees. You are incapable of listening or just unwilling?
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  287.  Hell N Degenerates  Curvature and elevation are two different things.
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  288. The FE sun is both omnidirectional and unidirectional, lighting a perfect circle that is totally misshapen. FE’ers will be happy to not explain but eager that you should just accept the explanation.
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  289.  @mockingjay6443  And yet none of you have ever gone while other people have circumnavigated the globe in all directions. Why is that?
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  290.  @KangenAlec  And yet none of them finds the Earth to be flat, always spherical.
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  291. Firmament means sky, the formula is for the brightness of the sky and the Earth is assumed to be flat to simplify the maths. Try actually reading the document and think.
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  292.  @Globehoax  Why do you consider being asked to provide your evidence to be harassment?
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  293. The degree of oblation is miniscule; its almost indistinguishable from a perfect sphere.
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  294. How do they manipulate the sun & stars?
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  295.  @Globeisahoax  You can’t answer any questions and you’re still proclaiming how well-informed you are?
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  296. Produce some evidence of this abundance.
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  297.  @pogofgreed3707  He's a troll, doesn't answer probing questions and will block you if you comment unfavourably.
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  298. How would you get such perfect compliance? Why can’t other conspiracies achieve it?
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  299.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t done anythjng to demonstrate that the globe is wrong.
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  300. Encouraging ignorance.
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  301. Engineering.
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  302. Routinely adjusted for where necessary. WGS84. That you don’t know is your ignorance, not other people’s. That you can’t understand what is explained to you repeatedly is your stupidity. That you deny all evidence supplied and refuse to check anything for yourself is your willful ignorance.
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  303. About what? If you mean the various verses then they mean roundness and most people see them as figurative, not literal.
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  304.  @Globeishoax  You haven’t said anything about “how” despite being asked countless times; you just whine about “harassment”.
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  305. Evidence?
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  306. The world was deduced to be a sphere around 500BC.
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  307.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't produced your evidence for Earth being an endless like. What's the hold up?
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  308. Copernicus postulated a heliocentric system, not a spherical Earth; that had been deduced 2000 years earlier.
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  309. There were six Apollo landings, not one. Far more could be achieved at less cost with unmanned missions. The Artemis programme is running with the aim of building a permanent base. Be novel and actually explain why you think the use of a training pool would preclude spaceflight.
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  310. One doesn’t automatically follow from the other.
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  311. No.
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  312.  @KangenAlec  Produce your evidence of edge, icewall, dome, armed forces.
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  313. Scientific consensus is built on evidence, not belief. FE’ers never come up with evidence to back their claim, just ignorance & incredulity. The video itself has been heavily edited; there’s no way to know what was presented in the missing portion.
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  314. They assume we essentially remain in school, just reading books and attending classes. They don’t seem to make the connection between scientists and labs.
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  315. Ring or jam (or both)? 😊
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  316.  @KarrieDreammind5  That they are ignorant & incredulous is a viewpoint? If somebody feels them to be plausible are they suddenly imbued with knowledge and understanding? Politeness and respect are two different things; the latter is earned.
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  317. Says the guy who cant think how we know how the Earth was formed.
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  318.  @KangenAlec  Still no workable explanation. Why don’t you try explaining why thecsin moves differently to what you predict and why it would only light a restricted misshapen area? You think you’re the man with the answers and a profound understanding of his it all works so be brave and try answering.
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  319. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - all indicative that the Earth is s globe and all unexplained by FE’ers.
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  320. They generally visualise the globe as being 25-250 miles in circumference. Scale is not their strong point.
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  321.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how perspective woukd allow a constant angular velocity and diameter and make something disappear from the bottom up. Get your finger out and explain.
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  322.  @joeabraham1304  You think everyone who’s circumnavigated the globe is a Freemason? Is it part of the induction ceremony? You can get on a series of flights and travel around the Earth.
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  323. Matter was created from coalescing energy. If you mean the Big Bang then nobody is saying it came from nothing.
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  324.  @Globeisahoaxx  In two years you still haven’t said how you determined the distance to the FE sun. What’s the hold up?
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  325. Evidence?
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  326.  @Globeishoax  You still haven’t said what magnification and camera resolution you think are necessary for such photos. You’ve had over a year to give details you say you have worked out; what’s taking you so long?
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  327.  @user-ko3te7oy6d  I’ve told him countless times but he’s afflicted with Morton’s demon.
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  328.  @americanmanstan2381  Your reply didn’t appear in my feed; YT has been unreliable of late. Modern day von Danikens?
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  329.  @RT-oc6iu  At that altitude you still need a wide angle shot to see curved horizon. A shot through the capsule door is nowhere near wide enough. He ascended in the atmosphere which is rotating at the same speed as Earth.
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  330.  @rippa335  a scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It us not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning.
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  331. Explain how you think They are manipulating observable reality.
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  332. @Luke Skyballer The editors could have demonstrated that better by leaving the evidence in.
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  333.  @mrvibe2276  He has no comprehension of what a telescope does.
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  334.  @Jack-df9gy  Homosexuality as a mental disorder was down to prejudice. The rest you are talking out of your arse.
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  335.  @OgKilla65  There’s 3 hours missing from the video.
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  336. What great argument?
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  337.  @Globeisahoax  You can't handle the concept of more than observer or the concept of measurement?
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  338. The ancient Greeks deduced it around 500bc.
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  339.  @Globehoax  yet again doofus, motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Still waiting on your explanations.
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  340. Bear in mind that the video is edited and that the FE’ers don’t have strong arguments.
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  341. The video has been heavily edited; you can’t criticise people for not saying something when you haven’t seen what has been cut. The accuracy of a scientific theory is indicated by its ability to make reliable accurate predictions, not simply explain known facts. Science is not just collecting facts; it is deducing the underlying mechanisms and developing theories that will accurately predict what will be observed.
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  342.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on your explanation for the Cavendish experiment demonstrating gravity.
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  343.  @mikroma8377  Admiral Byrd. He explicitly referred to the then unexplored area within Antarctica.
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  344. Where on a planet do you think down would be away from the ground and why?
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  345.  @Bok2022st  You think the plane would fly upside down by as it heads south; that puts down as skywards. If the ground (and therefore “down” ) is under your feet everywhere then that answers your question; the underside of the plane always remains facing the ground on a round planet.
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  346.  @sandhyahari6995  If it was flat the sun would never set and it would change in apparent speed and size through the course of the day. It doesn’t bother them that they don’t observe that.
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  347.  @KangenAlec  Because like every other projectile it travels in arc. The straight line is no deviation to left or right. How limited is your spatial comprehension?
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  348. They did focus on it; Jubilee took it out to keep the conversation “balanced”. Many people are attacking science, claiming we are just tools to The Conspiracy, that we don’t actually do anything and that facts & logic are indoctrination.
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  349.  @KangenAlec  The Ptolemaic system was the accepted model from 100AD onwards and is covered by abundant material between then and now. What’s you evidence for NASA forging it and how?
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  350. More that their thinking simply stops at the first observation.
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  351.  @Globeisahoaxx  Once again doofus, when is towards the centre of the globe then there is no top & bottom. Simple concept.
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  352.  @trailbossdan1  He's a joke...
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  353.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, because it travels in arc.
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  354. Their explanations & evidence were edited out.
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  355. You need to supply evidence of that and explain why the evidence disproving a FE is actually compatible with your explanation.
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  356.  @KangenAlec  Far too limited for the Earth to be flat.
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  357. More interesting question would be how NASA fooled the ancient Greeks.
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  358.  @KangenAlec  You’re also telling people that NASA can’t be trusted. Which is it?
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  359. NYC pollution aside, you ought to be able several hundred miles on a FE with the view gradually disappearing into a haze. We observe cutoffs at a horizon that is much closer. You meed to reconcile the two.
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  360.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on any FE'er to explain the horizontal attraction observable in the Cavendish experiment and provide any plausible reason why there would be a "down" in the absence of gravity or a mechanism for objects to move in said direction. You profess to be well-educated in FE so why can't you answer? You think you know the answer so how hard is it to put fingers to the keyboard and actually say what it is? You're being verbose enough with your posts so you can't claim someone is preventing you . Be brave - step up to the plate and go down in history as the FE'er that revealed to the world how gravity really works.
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  361. It was deduced 2500 years ago.
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  362. That the Earth is spheroid is a demonstrable fact, not an idea.
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  363. Evidence?
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  364.  @luisdiegosalas  Personal star domes? Density is a force? A transparent extra moon that turns opaque at just the right time? If they are the thinkers they claim to be then it shouldn't take somebody else explaining to them why it wouldn't work.
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  365.  @VaughanMcCue  He hasn’t answered any questions or provided any evidence in the years that he has been posting. He regards questions as harassment. He’s had all his questions answered, repeatedly.
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  366. Basically you are clueless about how medical research is conducted and conclusions drawn. You think it ought to be based on anecdotal evidence and wishful thinking because you feel that to be more scientific than science.
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  367. An accurate inference in this case. You fo realise that Earth was deduced to be a sphere 2500 years ago from the motion of the sun & stars? That long before today the shape was measured (curvature included) and the surface mapped? That FE’ers bring nothing to the table but ignorance & incredulity?
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  368. 1. What's a telescope? 2. Out of sight, out of mind. 3. We just know...
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  369.  @KangenAlec  And yet none of you can produce this maths for predicting eclipses in a FE, explain what causes lunar eclipses or explain why the globe predictions are always accurate.
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  370.  @BG8950  A large meteor hitting the moon blasted some material into space; some later fell to Earth. That the meteorites show evidence of the heat they were exposed to and the ricks brought from the moon do not is too complex for some people to grasp.
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  371.  @Boss_Feed  I ask the people who think scientists are indoctrinated what they think we do in labs. I haven’t had an explanation yet.
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  372.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere abd down is towards the center of the globe.
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  373.  @Globehoax  Why would a plane flying at a constant altitude on a globe need to dip or flip?
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  374. You mean it’s too complicated for you to grasp. Ignorance is not knowledge; that you don’t know something does not mean nobody does.
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  375.  @raskolnjikov1  What do you think we do in labs? Sit and think up new words to bamboozle you?
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  376. worthless Aussie sinner saved by grace alone The satellite has momentum that keeps it moving in a straight line. The planet’s gravity simultaneously pulls it downwards. If the satellite is moving at the right speed the net motion is an orbit around the planet. There is nothing in space to impede the satellites progress; it does not need further propulsion to keep it moving at that speed.
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  377. Like GiaH here FE’ers rely on “just gotta be” and “just does “to explain everything.
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  378. Says the guy who sells Kangen Water…
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  379. The FES is sneered at by “true” FE’ers who fall into the categories of moneymakers (relatively few who “believe” for as long as generates income), the trolls who just like irritate people and the genuine willful idiots who think it true and are willing to generate the income. Very few in total but vocal and eager to advocate ignorance.
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  380. You realise we publish methodology & data to support our conclusions?
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  381. Does Britain use an honest system?
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  382.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on you to produce any evidence…
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  383. They’ve been told repeatedly but they choose to ignore it.
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  384. Raindrops, meniscus, fountains, waterfalls, waves... If they were all at the same level then it wouldn't need to be MEAN sea level. What do you think it has to do with curvature? "all surveyors work from the same benchmarks" There's this thing called scale. Geodetic surveyors work over large distances, site surveyors over small distances. There's a significant difference when the amount of curvature is proportional to the distance measured.
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  385. Familiarity. You think people should be asking those with minimal knowledge on a subject rather than those who have the knowledge & experience?
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  386.  @nikkamanurung1766  It’s not “somewhat” proven; it was proven 2500 years ago. The shape has been exactly measured, we have highly accurate maps and we have satellites orbiting the Earth with live cameras onboard. Only conmen and gullible morons are arguing the Earth is flat or that it has any other shape. You can believe what you wish but beliefs do not change facts. Nobody has demonstrated that the sun goes around the Earth. The Ptolemaic system assumed the Earth was the center of the universe and depicted the sun orbiting the Earth. The Copernican system places the sun in the center of the solar system with all planets orbiting it.
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  387. Financial rewards are long since banned. Keep up.
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  388.  @lmathews5608  You think it is simpler to consider the details in 3 billion years in evolution from single cell organisms to a multitude of multicellular ones than to put it all down to an omnipotent entity snapping his fingers? "for us Christians science is fun and very interesting because after our imagination and dreaming" Your computer and its internet connection are imaginary? "the reality that only earth is habitable for humans" You've checked out every other planet in the universe or you're assuming that on the basis that you only know of this one?
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  389. What difference would that make?
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  390. There were six Apollo landings; they cost a fortune and far more unmanned missions could be achieved for less money.
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  391.  @Globeisahoaxx  We've noticed - you keep asking the same questions and always ignore the answers though you can never say what is wrong.
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  392. Do you know of any FE scientists?
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  393. The OT was written in Hebrew.
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  394. They’re two different things entirely. A law is a description of a phenomenon and offers no explanation how the phenomenon would work. A scientific theory is that explanation. One does not transition into the other.
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  395.  @KangenAlec  Why can it only illuminate one part of the disc when there is unobstructed view across the whole disc?
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  396. The video has been heavily edited.
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  397.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason map says it’s a globe map; your delusion stops you reading the title.
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  398.  @matthewwilliams5964  I’ve told him a zillion times already. He seems delusional.
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  399. Things fall because they just do. They consider that profound thinking.
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  400.  @RockinRobbins13  You’re replying to the wrong person.
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  401.  @Globeishoax  You’re the only one claiming a top & bottom of the globe.
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  402. Science is evidence based and the evidence indicates the Earth is a globe. To demonstrate that the Earth is flat would require not only producing evidence to demonstrate but also have to account for the evidence indicating otherwise (hence Ali’s) statement. Earth has a physical shape and thus is measurable and it’s shape is scientifically a fact; philosophically nothing can be known by for certain, hence Spencer’s statement.
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  403.  @charmaps5  I would also note that the video has been heavily edited. You can’t criticise what Jubilee hasn’t shown.
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  404.  @Globeisahoax  Autopilot doesn't mean the plane navigates itself.
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  405. Jubilee's editing.
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  406. None. FE’ers can’t explain why the sun moves as it does, why there are clear cut horizons, why there are two celestial poles or why Polaris is only visible in the northern hemisphere. They do demand impossible proof that Earth is a globe to fit with how they perceive a globe, eg, a real-time film from that would show one rotation per day as a blur or zooming in with an impractical magnification because they don’t understand how big the Earth is.
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  407.  @p__07  Their notion is dependent on ignorance & incredulity, gullibility to conspiracy theories and the seemingly unshakable belief they can answer every question. Professor Dave made a series of videos including 10 things all flat earthers say and 10 challenges; a lot of bluster from FE’ers but no answers.
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  408.  @Globeisahoaxx  You still haven't produced your evidence or explained how you could know that without having looked. How difficult is it for you to do that?
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  409.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist....
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  410.  @KangenAlec  Then why not produce some of this evidence?
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  411.  @Globeisahoax  There’s this concept called measurement…
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  412. Try 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say; it nicely describes their fundamental misconceptions.
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  413.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on any evidence from you. When are you going to produce it?
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  414.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes. .
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  415.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t grasped that hospitals have departments?
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  416. "the treaty mentions surveillance systems" As in prompt & accurate accumulation of data to track the spreading of the disease and the efficacy of vaccination not everybody being tagged with a WHO drone, e.g, not waiting for the Chinese to admit something was happening.
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  417. 1. We publish the results with the methodology & reasoning so anybody can check the work. 2. Because you can check it for yourself. 3. The methods & results are there for you to check. 4. Which organisation would that be exactly?
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  418.  @Globehoax  You still haven’t said which clause in the Treaty forbids travel.
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  419.  @Globehoax  Why do you think being asked to provide your evidence is trolling?
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  420. I'm in academia; I have no corporate funding nor does anybody tell me what the answers need to be.
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  421.  @Globeisahoax  Why would perspective only apply where there is an atmosphere?
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  422.  @KangenAlec  The FE gurus are lying; readily demonstrable but FE "critical thinker" dumbos can't think that far.
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  423. When down is towards the centre of the globe then there is no top or bottom. You have to look at it logically, not assume a universal down.
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  424.  @KangenAlec  There’s this concept called measurement....
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  425.  @Jeff-iz9hn  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. Explain how those would work on a FE in direct contradiction to FE.
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  426.  @KangenAlec  There isn't a FE map to put on Instagram. Why not try answering Mean DaGreen's question?
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  427.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  428.  @Globeisahoax  You insist that water can't curve - how does form a sphere?
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  429.  @Globeishoaxx  Becuase the evidence is all our favour and FE’ers like yourself can’t explain anything.
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  430. We write & publish research papers in science journals; the reviewers ate fellow academics. Where do you think government & church play a role? Do you think we have to supply a couple of chitties with each journal submission?
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  431. Anything that relies on long distance trade & travel or satellites.
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  432. Orientation so north is “up” on the photos is one. Also you can get better detail by using a black & white camera taking a series of shots through different wavelength filters (visible & invisible) and combining the three or four visible wavelengths into the colour picture that we would see with our eyes.
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  433. The video has been heavily edited to remove the one way flow of evidence from scientists to FE’ers. Such minorities get treated in a scornful way when they rely on denial & conspiracy theory rather than fact & reasoning.
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  434.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for flights that would exceed the planes’ operational ranges on a FE. You’re claiming to have it all figured so start explaining.
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  435.  @KangenAlec  Which is not a motive....
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  436. Worse - he’s claiming Ali purchased his PhD rather than earned it. It’s not a minor issue.
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  437. What do you think we do in labs?
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  438.  @Globeishoaxx  You haven’t explained; in over 2 years you’ve just kept stating it’s small & local and refusing to back that with anything
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  439. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude - explain how the media are manipulating them.
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  440. The interview per se was not; the editing reduced it to apparently inconclusive.
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  441. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day? You realise that critical thinking means making a critical analysis of the video?
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  442.  @Globeisahoaxx  if yiu are so well educated on FE then why can’t you answer any questions or provide any evidence?
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  443.  @Globehoax  The evidence is all in favour of the globe and you can't explain anything; a mystery only to you.
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  444. You can't reason with unpersuadables; they aren't open to it. Look up Morton's Demon.
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  445.  @Globeisahoax  You think NASA is manipulating the sun & stars?
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  446. Yes, no, don’t exist; depends on which one of them you ask.
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  447.  @Globeisahoax  There's these things called telescopes...
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  448.  @Globeisahoax  Pointing out the copious gaps in your reasoning is harassment?
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  449. “It just gotta be something else” though none can provide a plausible reason why.
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  450.  @andrewmurphy2133  Two factors acting simultaneously is silly? Have you never helped carry something?
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  451.  @andrewmurphy2133  Air is matter and gravity affects all matter. Whether something is solid, liquid or gas does not affect how gravity acts upon it; the difference between the three arises from the chemical interaction between the individual molecules. Gravity is not an irresistible force, simply a constant force on & close too the Earth's surface. Other forces can act simultaneously; in this case you're referring to pressure arising from gas trying to disperse. The pressure & gravity balance out, the result being a pressure gradient from 1 atm at Earth's surface to a vacuum in space, i.e., pressure declines with increasing altitude.
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  452. They don’t; they cant think past NASA.
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  453.  @jessnardone7  Like most FE’ers he can’t counter the science through coherent arguments and just declares everything he doesn’t want to hear as not being real science. His idea of determining the distance to the sun is to eyeball it and go with the number that pops into his head; actually taking measurements and calculating distances is scientism to him.
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  454. You’ll be waiting a long time; there aren’t any FE scientists.
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  455. It’s difficult to respect people who claim observable reality is wrong.
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  456. It’s a conclusion from the evidence.
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  457. The former refers to the scientific meaning of theory, the latter to the vernacular meaning.
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  458.  @Globeishoax  Is that what puts you all off? Not being bothered by a 24hr sun you deny exists?
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  459. Accurate maps for trade & travel. Satellite based communications like GPS.
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  460. You wouldn’t need to eject them; they’ddo that themselves while trying to open an airlock to prove they’re in a studio.
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  461. Editors go snip, snip.
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  462. You’re confusing the scientific meaning of theory with the vernacular.
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  463. Some assiduously avoid using telescopes, others just say the Earth is special.
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  464.  @ayejay4477  We’ve seen clips edited to make him appear to be saying such as that, eg, “we haven’t been back” trimmed to “we haven’t been”. If somebody apparently says something controversial or revelatory it’s worth checking what was actually said.
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  465.  @KangenAlec  What keeps the sun up, what makes it move and what powers it? Educate us.
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  466.  @Globeisahoaxx  You still haven't said how you measured the distance to the FE sun or determined it was a "ball of electricity" or explained how this free energy is supposed to work. Over two years and still nothing.
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  467.  @KangenAlec  Answering someone’s comments is not stalking them. Free speech does not grant you the right not to be replied to or disagreed with.
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  468.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on you to provide evidence. You’ve had two years; what’s the hold up?
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  469. Kangen here remains quite sure the sun behaves differently to what us observable, continuously claiming what he sees fits the FE prediction.
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  470. A scientific theory, not the vernacular.
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  471.  @Walterthefriendly  Have you ever seen a radiowave?
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  472. About as unlikely as a FE'er producing evidence.
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  473.  @Globeisahoaxx  Asking you for evidence and repeatedly answering your questions isn’t trolling.
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  474.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how the FE sun would only light a limited misshapen area. What’s taking you so long?
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  475. Not the way it works in science; consensus arises from the evidence pointing only one way.
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  476.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, the tilt is 23.4 degrees and the rail gun does not propel something in a straight line.
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  477. Given a sphere with a circumference of 25,000 miles, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find? The Earth is 70% covered by water, not 70% water.
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  478.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still too difficult for you to grasp that how far we can see is determined by more than one variable?
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  479. The shuttles are retired from service and were not designed to leave orbit, much less travel to the moon. SpaceX attaches cameras to their launches, tracking progress all the way into orbit and it doesn't satisfy some people. Boundaries where? You aren't forbidden from visiting Antarctica if that is what you are referring to.
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  480. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe over two millennia before NASA came into existence.
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  481.  @KangenAlec  Scientific theory not the vernacular meaning. Do you need it explained you yet again?
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  482.  @KangenAlec  Traceable signals, detectable equipment and verifiable material returned. FE’er counter-argument: I, the Great Witness, have not been on every flight.
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  483.  @MrMarco855  What's your evidence that nobody landed on the moon?
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  484.  @backslash68  He thinks people asking him questions is persecution.
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  485. FE has nothing to with Jesuits.
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  486. How do you think Nasa was influencing the ancient Greeks?
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  487.  @KangenAlec  No viable explanation on why objects fall?
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  488. Weather aside, you would be able to see several hundred miles and the view would disappear into a haze rather than a close horizon putting numbers to distances (or numbers to anything) is not FE'ers' strongpoint.
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  489.  @Globeisahoax  You have to be brain dead zombie to be unaware of triangulation but FE’ers are so keen to be brainless…
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  490.  @KangenAlec  Thank you for demonstrating that FE’ers are incapable of providing answers.
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  491. Compelling points such as?
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  492. No, science advances and our knowledge & understanding increases, which does mean some answers change with time.
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  493.  @Globeisahoax  Abundant. Still waiting you to provide any answers.
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  494.  @KangenAlec  It shows the inability of FE'ers to read and comprehend English.
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  495.  @Globeisahoax  You’re the nan with the answers - what do you think it’s a shadow of and why? Why do the ships appear from top downwards?
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  496.  @KangenAlec  Because the accusations of fakery come down to invisible wires and compression artefacts.
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  497. The purpose of the UN logo is to show the member countries, not the Earth. When it is going on flags & letterheads said logo needs to be 2D. The Michelson-Morley experiment used the known motion of the Earth through space to look for evidence of the entirely hypothetical luminiferous aether; they failed to find any evidence of it. Difficult as it is for some people to understand but when you do not find any evidence of something's existence you have NOT proved its existence.
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  498. Consensus means many people have researched something, approaching it from different directions, there is one consistent answer for all the results and the great majority (if not all) if qualified people are satisfied the answer is correct.
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  499.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the sun’s observable motion contradicts what FE claims.
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  500. Explain how you think it is possible to carry out a short exposure and long exposure simultaneously.
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  501. SpaceX has live cameras on every launch. DishTV ran a satellite camera channel for years. All that happens is that FE’ers increase the conditions. Why would it be necessary for a camera to go to the moon? 1970’s technology is incompatible with 2020’s. All the Apollo & Saturn V’s were single use and used. Put your brain in gear.
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  502. The video is missing about 3hrs during which the scientists produced an abundance of evidence.
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  503. We’ve had it nailed into us that the sun rises & sets?
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  504. Why would that be relevant to the discussion?
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  505.  @shawtytriffling7003  He claims in a horizontal circle parallel to the around. I’ve been badgering him fir over a year abd he still refusing to explain why it would only light a limited misshapen area. They all claim to know but they are incredibly reluctant to explain.
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  506.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top or bottom and the tilt is 23.4 degrees.
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  507.  @bobbiunruh2554  The shape of Earth was deduced from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude & season, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow; 2500 years on we are still waiting for FE’eds to explain how those observations are possible on a FE. You can check all the observations for yourself. Since then the surface of the Earth has been fully mapped and conforms only to a sphere. More recently we have put satellites in orbit, photographing Earth from every angle and taking increasingly accurate measurements.
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  508.  @bobbiunruh2554  Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive evidence from experimentation & observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  509.  @sweismutte  DishTV ran an Earth channel for several years with continuous video feed from the satellite in geostationary orbit. Apparently that isn’t enough. Blue Marble was shot in a single frame. DISCOVR, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are collectively taking several full hemisphere shots per hour from L1 & geostationary orbits. No enough to qualify as valid shots for unspecified reasons. Blue Marble 2012 is a compisite of low orbit shots so apoarentky every photo ever ever ever EVER taken just has to be a composite because…well, because. What qualifies as a valid video or shot would you say and why?
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  510.  @sweismutte  they never take elevation & atmospheric refraction into account and insist on using the wrong maths. Not a mystery.
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  511.  @nazomius7033  Wanting to comment on something is a good incentive to create an account 😊
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  512. Yet you won’t accept scientific answers while you practice the rest in umpteen posts every day.
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  513. We make a career out of advancing knowledge; we state what the evidence indicates; we get paid because we have the same bills as you do.
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  514. Refraction, beam dispersion and levelling error.
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  515. Explain how the sun retains a constant angular velocity & diameter through the course of the day and rises & sets when FE predicts a variable angular velocity & diameter without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon.
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  516.  @Globehoax  Anybody can reproduce the experiment and get similar results.
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  517.  @KangenAlec  How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity and ride &set when your idea of FE says it does something completely different?
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  518. What do you think we have labs for?
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  519. FE’ers have yet to put up a science-based case so you’ll be waiting a while. Prof Dave has everything covered; you could start from the original video in his astronomy section or just head into the debunking playlist.
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  520.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on you to disprove anything that we say...
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  521. Fo you realise that technology as a while has not stood still since the 1970’s?
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  522.  @Globeisahoax  Given your total inability to answer questions then, yes, education.
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  523. FE’ers are quite close minded.
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  524.  @TheBlackSun21  Because comments are visible in a comments section.
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  525.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence that it is small & local.
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  526. And change it back.
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  527.  @KangenAlec  If only any of you could answer the questions....
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  528. What do you perceive the opposing schools of thought to be in this case?
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  529. Law & theory are two quite different things. A scientific law is a description of a phenomenon; a theory is the explanation for how that phenomenon works. The Law of Gravity simply states that there is a relationship between mass, distance and attraction; the Theory of Gravity is why such attraction occurs. One does not become the other.
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  530. As scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon, well-substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. "you have a better argument proving mass, density, and buoyancy" Then why can't any of you provide it? All you come up with is cries of "mass just wants to move" and "density just gotta be a force" and no explanation for how buoyancy would exist in the absence of gravity. Why is it so difficult for the people who reckon they have Real Physics figured to actually produce something coherent?
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  531.  @BigPiscesEnergy  Gravity has been measure countless times but that isn't enough for you to be satisfied that it has been measured. I'm asking you how many times by how many people in how many ways does something have to be measured to satisfy you that it has indeed been measured?
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  532.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence of an ice barrier. Come up with it.
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  533. They don't really have one. Apparently not only does the sun remain aloft by unspecified means and move in a circle by unspecified means but the circle expands & contracts by unspecified means over the course of the year. When it has contracted the Northern hemisphere receives more sunlight and thus has summer. When it expands then supposedly the Southern Hemisphere benefits but because of the FE southern hemisphere being so much bigger than the north this would actually result in less sunlight for any given area and would cast them into a deeper winter that the southern winter. FE'ers don't think anything through.
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  534. You limit your knowledge to what is the Bible?
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  535.  @breakdown2878  He can’t explain anything; he just lives in his own reality.
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  536. There were 6 Apollo landings intotal. They were extremely expensive and put people on the moon for a few hours work. It was far more economical to send probes.
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  537.  @KangenAlec  Someone told you that the sun doesn’t rise & set and you believed it.
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  538. There is no limit; the eye is a passive receptor and detects whatever light reaches it regardless of how far it has travelled.
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  539.  @juliemunro76  How do you think the eye works? Any book is going to explain to you how the light enters the eye and activates cells in the retina. At what stage do you think the eye or brain cuts out light that has travelled greater than 30 miles and how would either eye or brain know the distance?
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  540.  @juliemunro76  I’m a research scientist; I work on the eye. It’s a passive receptor; the retina detects whatever light reaches it regardless of how far it has is travelled. You mean the limit of visual acuity, which means a limit on the apparent size of an object that you can perceive. Other than apparent size diminishing with distance, there is no connection between the two; there is no magic distance beyond which you can not see. If you think there is a filtering mechanism then you need to come up with evidence such exists and an explanation for how it works.
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  541. What do you think we do in labs?
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  542. Two celestial poles, motion of the sun, horizons and lunar eclipses all indicate that Earth is a sphere.
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  543.  @Globeisahoax  Asks the guy who can’t provide his explanations?
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  544.  @-redranger-  The tilt in Earth's axis means that as the Earth orbits the sun one hemisphere or the other is favoured with more sunlight according to the time of year, leading to prolonged warming or cooling. FE explanation is that the FE sun somehow moves in a horizontal circle parallel to the FE surface, somehow staying up and somehow only lighting a limited area; the radius of the circle somehow varies so when it is smaller the northern hemisphere has longer days and when it wider the northern hemisphere has shorter days while in contrast the southern hemisphere has shorter days and then even shorter days that are some how longer. Basically they haven't thought it through.
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  545. Nothing to stop you looking in that direction. Pollution & weather aside you would be able to see several hundred miles if the Earth was flat, the view disappearing into a gradual haze rather than a horizon.
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  546. Nobody is born with knowledge and there is a range of intelligence in the populace, Einstein being in the top percentile. There is always somebody who is first to have a particular idea and the idea is dependent on what has been deduced before, hence the expression of standing on the shoulders of giants.
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  547.  @KangenAlec  Not querying “the Bible says so” is thinking for yourself?
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  548. The water man would be happy to tell you that he has done the research. All FE'ers say that.
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  549.  @KangenAlec  He would see the same. Why can’t any of you zoom the set sun back into view? You all keep saying how easy-peasy it is so why not do it?
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  550. ​ @syamnakmuay89  Your senses are very limited. Your eyes see only a narrow range of wavelength, your ears a limited range of frequencies and your sense of smell is negligible. You can't detect motion (just deduce it form vision and acceleration) and don't have the sensitivity to detect one revolution per day. You are probably using Wi-fi while making your post but your senses can't detect the radio waves. Do they exist?
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  551.  @Globeisahoax  Still not acknowledging the existence if telescopes then?
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  552.  @Globeisahoax  If FE is not just a belief then why can’t you produce any evidence?
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  553.  @katierose9641  You'll be waiting a long time for GiaH to produce any evidence; he hasn't in all the time he's been commenting here or done anything to demonstrate the the globe is wrong. Indeed we are a still waiting on FE'ers to provide anything than isn't dependent on their ignorance & incredulity. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. All are testable and confirmable by anybody. 2500 years on we are still waiting for FE explanations. Planes are kept aloft by the aerodynamic lift, ie., the airflow over the wings. At a given speed the plane needs a particular air pressure to remain in level flight. Too little pressure and it sinks, too much pressure and it rises; the plane remains where the air pressure is sufficient. Consequentially a plane will remain at a near constant altitude (distance above the ground) regardless of the shape of the Earth.
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  554.  @KangenAlec  If you consider yourself educated in FE then why can’t you any answers?
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  555.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to explain that assertion. Why can’t yiu answer questions? You’d be far more convincing if you could.
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  556. There aren’t any FE scientists. That the Earth is a sphere was established millenia ago. It’s fully mapped, the shape is fully measured, we have hundreds of satellites in orbit, several of which and taking photos at least hourly.
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  557.  @daddy3982  He’s a troll and never answers questions.
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  558. Do you want to explain your reasoning?
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  559. There is asking questions and there is simply denying the evidence. It is good practice to ask what the evidence for something is but a starting point of assuming all evidence to be wrong or non-existent is not.
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  560. What did you do to control the heat flow in the environment around you?
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  561. It’s expensive and they would still deny it was happening.
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  562.  @joeoconnor8344  He's been told countless times multiple people that there's no top & bottom (and why) and he still claims nobody's answering him.
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  563. "They are not trying to prove the earth is flat," Then stop claiming that.
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  564.  @Globeisahoax  No answer to his questions then? What a surprise. The app doesn’t give accurate answers.
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  565. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe about 500BC, after the OT was written and before the NT.
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  566. The stars are very large, very bright and very very very distant. Orbiting around the sun does not mean a significant change in distance or viewing angle. Since the Earth has a tilted axis which stars are visible on any given night does vary through the course of the year. The morning/evening star is Venus.
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  567.  @KangenAlec  The ISS you can see passing overhead, ie., the observable reality that you enthuse about.
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  568.  @Globeisahoax  Once again, Byrd explicitly said he was referring to the still unexplored region in Antarctica.
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  569.  @Globeisahoax  How does asking for the evidence you all claim to possess constitute harassment exactly? You all claim to be eager to share so what’s the problem?
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  570.  @KangenAlec  You profess to be educated in FE but you can’t explain anything. Your inability doesn’t concern you?
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  571.  @KangenAlec  Another non-answer....
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  572.  @Globeisahoaxx  Explain two celestial poles.
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  573.  @Globeisahoax  You’ve never tried answering questions to determine if we couldn’t comprehend them. Why not try answering if you want to inform people?
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  574. "If only NASA witnessed globe earth" What makes you think NASA is the only space agency? What makes you think measurement isn't possible? "flat earth were witnessed by any people who board the airplane" Only those who are clueless about scale and are looking for the curvature you would expect from a 25 mile circumference.
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  575. Check Professor Dave’s 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say.
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  576. Mire to do with the bilge you keep turning out….
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  577. NASA has the highest profile and their thinking stops there.
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  578.  @matthewwilliams5964  He’s blocked me from his feed because I was asking him questions.
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  579.  @flatliner5729  You're assuming that he's looking in the right end and knows how to focus it.
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  580.  @Globeisahoaxx  Wonderful example of Frisco’s comment; how many times have you have been told that there is no top & bottom to a sphere?
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  581. No religion claims the Earth is flat.
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  582. It was edited out to keep the discussion “balanced”. Note the abrupt cuts.
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  583.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how any of that is supposed to work. What do you find so difficult?
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  584. Being objective would mean recognising someone’s expertise in a subject and the limitations of your own knowledge. It doesn’t mean considering a millenia-long conspiracy to be a plausible scenario.
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  585. You mean like a magician making his assistant disappear? Or do you mean denying the existence of radio waves in the grounds that you cant see them? Or perhaps denying multiple factors because you find them complicated?
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  586.  @Globeisahoax  You were a goofy guy in high school….
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  587. The Earth was deduced to be a sphere circa 500BC. The deviation from a perfect sphere is minuscule. Ostrich egg - big & round.
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  588.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  589.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for how you measured the distance to the sun and why the FE sun only lights a limited misshapen area. Come in, these are basic questions and you’ve had a year to answer. What’s taking you so long? Are you having a problem answering?
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  590. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles; that’s how the ancient Greeks figured it out.
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  591.  @rookerycephapirin9980  I just told you how the ancient Greeks originally deduced it purely from observation and reasoning. It will take some travel but you can check it all for yourself. You asked how you can state for a fact that the Earth is a globe; that was the original reasoning from observable horizons and motion of the stars & sun.
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  592.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees. You have a real problem comprehending numbers.
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  593.  @modostig67  I know, I’ve told him a number of times but his mind can’t think beyond 666.
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  594.  @KangenAlec  Because the Earth is flat only in the wishful thinking of FE'ers, not the Bible. 23.4 degrees and the down is always to the centre of the globe, not a universal down. The human body is insensitive to motion, only acceleration. Why did you remove my comments from your video? Do you not want people to supply answers to your questions?
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  595. Frustration with their willful ignorance.
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  596. The title is actually about trusting science; FE’ers want to reject science (except what they find convenient) while science relies on reproducible experimentation & observation and accurate, reliable predictions.
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  597. The deviation from a perfect sphere is negligible
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  598.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence.
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  599.  @flatliner5729  I don’t think he understands the concept of measurement.
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  600. Rockets are demonstrable and demonstrated. That you personally can't get your head the maths & technology means nothing.
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  601.  @MediaBuster  There’s these things called telescopes….
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  602.  @MediaBuster  That you don’t know or understand something does not mean other people don’t.
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  603.  @EdwardTilley  If you have weblinks in your comment then it will be automatically deleted. Also if you are using VPN messages may disappear.
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  604. It’s heavily edited, essentially to remove the one way flow of evidence. FE’ers are very insistent on claiming they have evidence but they never produce it.
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  605. Evidence-based claims that subsequently prove to be inaccurate as more evidence accumulates. And, yes, evidence does increase; its not a static pile of facts.
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  606.  @Globeishoaxx  Two years on we are still waiting on you to produce any evidence…
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  607. Some do, some don’t, a gew are just making money.
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  608.  @martinsdunu9754  You have two balls, one with a billion times the gravitational attraction of the other, pour water over the lesser and when the water promptly moves the greater force you think this disproves gravitational attraction?
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  609.  @martinsdunu9754  Why do you think the rockets would float?
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  610. None do as far as I’m aware.
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  611.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  612.  @Globeisahoax  If you don’t know what shape the world is then what makes you say it is flat?
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  613. Explain why you think superficial reasoning is superior.
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  614. Jubilee edited out the one way flow of evidence.
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  615.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, Foucault pendulum and laser gyroscopes. "I can create so much reasonable doubt" I doubt your sanity....
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  616.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map and the distances are grossly distorted.
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  617.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why asking you for the answers you are supposedly desperate to give would be trolling. Wouldn’t it be easier to answer instead of complaining?
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  618. A pristine environment.
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  619. The ancient Greeks managed it through observation of the sun’s movement, lunar eclipses and the horizon. It takes reasoning which FE’ers are deliberately short of.
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  620.  @eyez_wide_open  Have you considered actually researching them rather than guzzling what FE videos tell you?
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  621. After all what evidence? You keep saying you have it but all you ever produce is ignorance & incredulity.
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  622.  @paulwellington3406  Why is that impossible for a west to east flight?
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  623.  @paulwellington3406  How can you have two different maps of the same surface?
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  624. At the time the comment was made the only cameras in space were in low orbit. 20 years on there are cameras in geostationary orbit and L1 position collectively taking several full hemisphere shots per hour. Check Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC. You can’t get a signal in a tunnel because the ground blocks the signal. Earth to Mars is open space; nothing there to block the signal.
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  625.  @Globeisahoax  Intelligent people are capable of thinking beyond what they can eyeball. FE’ers can’t think beyond eyeballing.
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  626. How do you identify them as alien spacecraft?
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  627. We’re asking the FE’ers who profess to have the Real Answers. Why cant any of you answer the obvious questions like stars varying with latitude?
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  628.  @armaankaker  Thinking critically would be asking how something works and what the evidence to support that conclusions is. Folks like FE’ers simply look for something that differs from accepted knowledge and avoid asking such question, believing their gullibility is critical thinking.
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  629.  @brothergrubenski2603  You’re making the mistake of looking 😊
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  630.  @Globeisahoax  You think we a re uneducated because you assiduously ignore the answer you are repeatedly supplied with. Why can't you as the "well-educated" FE'er answer any questions?
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  631.  @KangenAlec  If you’re so well educated in FE then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  632.  @Globeisahoaxx  The guy who chunters on about 66.6 degrees also thinks it is 0 degrees?
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  633.  @Richard-5464  “It’s just gotta be a lie” is starting with the conclusion; critical thinking starts with “Is this correct? Are there are valid alternative explanations?” I ask about road signs & marking because I’m curious if the “truthers” drive on the opposite side of the road to the “sheep”.
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  634. Spatial reasoning is not your strong point.
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  635. Operation Paperclip was around the end of the war and was for purloining German scientists. NASA was formed by Eisenhower in 1958 after Sputnik was launched; it was an amalgamation of various institutes that the purloined German scientists had been kept out of because they were German.
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  636.  @KangenAlec  irrelevant and you still haven’t produced any evidence to back your claims.
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  637. Then be novel and produce those numbers.
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  638.  @KangenAlec  How does that explain two celestial poles?
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  639.  @KangenAlec  How does it only light up a select area and why is that area so misshapen?
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  640. The atmosphere rotates with the Earth. Objects can pass beyond the limit of your visual acuity long before they reach the horizon; if they are between the two then you can bring them back but not if they have passed beyond the horizon. Zooming them back before they reach the horizon tells ou sweet FA about the horizon. 8"/mile^2 is a rule of thumb, a parabolic equation (not circular) and assumes no elevation & atmospheric refraction. Nobody has zoomed the set sun back into view.
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  641.  @anthonyferguson4218  Then you should have no problem locating a video demonstrating the set sun being zoomed back into view. Conservation of momentum. When the plane is stationary on the ground it is moving with the Earth. It retains that eastwards momentum when it takes off in the same way that a thrown ball continue moving when it leaves your hand.
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  642.  @anthonyferguson4218  Then you should have no problem locating a video demonstrating the set sun being zoomed back into view. Conservation of momentum. When the plane is stationary on the ground it is moving with the Earth. It retains that eastwards momentum when it takes off in the same way that a thrown ball continue moving when it leaves your hand.
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  643.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  644. I’m forever asking you questions and you never supply the facts you claim to possess. Im also telling people how they can verify for themselves that the Earth is a globe and not flat. Why can’t you answer any questions?
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  645. You realise that Jubilee produced a highly edited video?
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  646.  @KangenAlec  How do you think NASA fiddles with the lengths & angles of all shadows?
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  647.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence. Two years and still nothing....
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  648.  @KangenAlec  No evidence for a FE then?
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  649.  @vincedbzgotenks  What problems are there with the globe?
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  650. That’s only because they insist on using the wrong maths to calculate how far they can see. It doesn’t matter how many times its explained to them; the Thinkers are unwilling to think beyond a single equation with only one variable.
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  651. Satellites are not limited to one altitude. The images for Blue Marble 2012 were accumulated from low orbit satellites (around 200mph high). Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are in geostationary orbit, about 35,000 miles up, and capture almost an entire hemisphere in each shot. EPIC is in the L1 position (about 1.5 million miles up) and essentially does capture full hemisphere shots in each frame. Blue Marble (1972) was taken from Apollo 17 in a single frame, analogue shot from about 18,000 miles. FE'ers conflate Blue Marble (1972) and Blue Marble 2012.
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  652.  @Globeisahoax  Then why don’t you provide answers & explanations if you want people to listen to them?
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  653.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles....
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  654.  @muffin2760  Just gotta be and just does are the foundation stones of their reasoning.
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  655. There is a profound difference between requesting evidence & explanations and presuming wholesale fraud.
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  656. Evidence? By travelling at speed through the weaker periphery in a shielded craft. Not difficult to look up.
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  657. How do you think you can get rocks from the moon without going to the moon?
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  658.  @flatearthisahoax4030  Presumably since it was on TV all the people there are just actors :-)
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  659. How does the FE sun rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  660.  @KangenAlec  Yet we observe the sun rising & setting every day in defiance of the FE models.
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  661. You still haven’t supplied your evidence for aether’s existence. Why can you never answer questions or supply evidence?
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  662. What are the gaping holes in the globe?
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  663. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles - all verifiable by anybody and all indicative that the Earth is a sphere.
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  664. Check what Byrd & the Treaty actually say rather than the conspiracy whisperers.
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  665.  @Globeisahoax  We can see the ISS passing overhead. Still waiting on your explanation for how a weather balloon could emulate it.
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  666. Science is evidence-based.
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  667.  @KangenAlec  And yet your gurus can’t provide evidence either, just sell snake oil.
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  668. How difficult is it for a FE’er to read & comprehend a whole sentence? Why do The Thinker’s thoughts all shut down when they encounter certain words?
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  669. You’re clueless. Do you think we should spend our time checking 2+2 really does equal 4?
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  670.  @DSunlisted193  Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  671.  @KangenAlec Obviously the point about JPEG compression went over your head.
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  672.  @Globehoax  Yet again, it was a common assumption not common knowledge.
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  673. I take it you are referring to the $10,000 steak?
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  674. I think many people watched this in stages.
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  675.  @KangenAlec  Observable reality contradicts FE; you need to explain how the sun behaving differently to what FE predicts would support the prediction it contradicts.
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  676.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on any evidence for all that....
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  677. The evidence exists whether we have discovered it or not. While nothing can be proved absolutely in science, something can be disproved absolutely; if a hypothesis contradicts the evidence then the hypothesis is wrong. Once we have the evidence that disproves something, it's not going to become correct. The motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles all disprove a FE, something that was deduced over 2000 years ago.
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  678.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter & velocity through the day. Could it be that you have no idea?
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  679.  @joshcameron2571  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. That’s how the ancient Greeks deduced it was a sphere. Still waiting on FE’ers to explain any of that. Do you want to try?
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  680. It doesn’t as such. There is a small bunch of people obsessed with being feeling special.
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  681. They sound typical. It’s always “just gotta be X” and “how could this be possible?” and screw the answers.
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  682.  @KangenAlec  If someone is claiming that no evidence and no reasoning means they know the truth then they are certainly exposing something.
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  683. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  684.  @KangenAlec  Why not start with simple facts before getting into the “bigger picture”? His dues the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and rise & set?
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  685. What do you think we do in labs?
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  686. Where dud the verifiable lunar rocks come from? Black & white digital cameras have higher resolution. By taking shots through a series of wavelength filters you can get multiple high res shots for the price of one camera. By overlaying shots taken through red, green & blue filters you can compile a full-colour image; that’s the editing referred to. Like the Polar Satellite it launched?
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  687.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on your explanation how a sun observably retaining a constant angular diameter & velocity and rising & setting is in agreement with a FE that says angular diameter & velocity change and it doesn't approach within 20 degrees of the horizon. You profess to be the man with the answers on how it all really works so what's so difficult to explain? Get your finger out.
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  688.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  689. Indeed someone can lie or be mistaken but when what they’re saying is in agreement with millions of other experts either they have solid reason or there is an implausibly large conspiracy.
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  690. Why is it not arguable?
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  691. They claim satellites are all balloons though they cant explain how they stay up, how they aren't affected by the weather or why triangulation demonstrates them to be in orbit.
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  692.  @fiat2496  You take the trouble to zoom in a ship that is beyond the range of visual acuity but can't be arsed to follow it further away? Why haven't any of you tried zooming the set sun back into view? It's not as if it shrinks in apparent angular diameter to need enlarging to see.
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  693.  @fiat2496  "The scientists agree that it is possible and do not have an answer for it" I would note that the video has been heavily edited; the camera angle chops & changes frequently at that point. The scientists don't agree or disagree in what we can see.
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  694.  @fiat2496  We get impatient because we have explained over and over and over and over and over again and FE’ers still keep whining that we haven’t explained. Your OP started by saying that we’ve never explained it.
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  695.  @fiat2496  Your eyes are passive receptors; they detect the light that teaches them regardless of how far it has travelled. There is no mystic distance beyond which the eye can not see.
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  696.  @Globehoax  Yet again dumbo - 23.4 degrees and there is top & bottom to a sphere.
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  697.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence….
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  698.  @Michaelhehe  Then be novel and provide them.
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  699. Abrahamic religion doesn't teach it either; this is people selectively interpreting bible verses to back their preconceptions.
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  700.  @KangenAlec  So how do they get the sun to move in the wrong pattern?
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  701. The geocentric model uses a globe, not a flat earth. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow - still waiting in the FE’er explanations. Do you want to try? The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere while assuming it was totally stationary, not rotating.
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  702. The independent variable does not need to be manipulated by the scientist, ie, it’s a fallacy that direct experimentation is necessary as opposed to predicting the outcome of observations. Curvature of spacetime is predictable from the mass of the object causing the curvature; that is the independent variable
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  703. Still waiting in the FE’er explanation for atmospheric pressure decreasjng with altitude or any evidence of a succession of impenetrable barriers to enable such.
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  704.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t grasped geometry then?
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  705. The system says 2+2=4 and that B follows A in the alphabet. Is it wise to dismiss anything & everything out of hand?
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  706.  @flyinggoose1445  I've never had any explanation as to how they think NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks but they're quite sure their ideas came from NASA.
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  707.  @alec6651  They’re Thinkers; they have a lot to say about how much they’ve cogitated but actually thinking ceases early on.
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  708.  @KangenAlec  Then why do t you try explaining how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day? It’s an easy peasy questions for someone educated in FE.
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  709. One picture in particular (openly declared to be a composite) not every picture ever ever EVER taken.
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  710.  @Globeisahoax  Whst camera resolution and magnification do you think are needed for the shot? Why don’t you answer since you claim you have it all thought out?
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  711.  @Globeisahoax  All the evidence sats otherwise.
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  712. That it is a fact that beliefs exist does not make any of those beliefs a fact.
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  713. There are no FE scientists.
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  714.  @BigPeter1313  They cut out the one-way flow of evidence. When its in the “middle ground” series you can’t have an unbalanced discussion. The FE was disproved 2500 years ago; there is no dispute over its shape and wishing to be inclusive will not change that.
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  715.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t said what magnification & resolution is required.
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  716.  @KangenAlec  Look through a focussed telescope and they are quite clearly planets.
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  717.  @darthtenebra5910  He's been doing this for weeks; I've explained at least twice the view through a telescope says otherwise.
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  718.  @mohdadeeb1829  He doesn’t realise that his gurus make their living from their videos.
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  719. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. We’ve since mapped the surface (only one shape fits the measurements)
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  720. It’s been heavily edited sincr there was s one way flow of evidence.
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  721.  Evan Mauger  As I said, the video has been edited to remove the one way flow of evidence and maintain the appearance of “middle ground”. You can’t criticise the scientists for not saying what Jubilee took out.
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  722. Scientific theory =/= vernacular theory.
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  723. Still waiting on any FE’er to provide a plausible motive.
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  724. FE’ers don’t realise that they need to use the correct maths when calculating the distance to the horizon, ie, 8”/mile^2 doesn’t work because it is the wrong maths, not because the globe is wrong.
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  725. The Earth is a measurable object; its shape is a fact, not an opinion.
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  726. That's why FE'er deny gravity but they can't come up with a plausible explanation for why objects would fall without gravity.
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  727.  @KangenAlec  He drove his snowmobile to a research station after his support ship sank in a storm. He’s not a FE’er and was not looking for a dome.
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  728.  @Nekokettle0  He denies telescopes exist.
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  729. The “aware and awakened” are not renowned for questioning anything, just parroting their own dogma.
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  730. Scientism is the belief that science can explain what lies outside science. Science relies on data & methodology to reach conclusions; it is not unsupported ideas.
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  731.  @Globeisahoax  And we are still waiting on m any evidence from you. Whats the problem?
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  732.  @Globeisahoax  Why is asking to provide you evidence bullying or harassment?
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  733. A dismissive and insulting assertion that does nothing to present any actual FE evidence or refute what has been said.
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  734. WGS84. Laser gyroscopes. Stellar parallax.
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  735.  @Globeisahoax  Then produce the evidence to back your claim.
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  736. He’s not open to reason.
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  737.  @anodrewsanabria6343  The video has been heavily edited; you don’t know what was in the missing sections.
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  738. Varies between individuals though they insist that they are agreed.
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  739.  @Globeisahoax  There is no Antarctica Treaty Pact; if you think there is then you need to come up with the evidence. If you're going to claim it's top secret the you need to explain how you would know it existed and what it said.
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  740.  @Jeff-iz9hn  Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 for degrees per mile. The distance to the horizon is determine by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. An effect can have more than one cause; too small to perceive and blocked from view are both valid reasons you can’t see something. Why can’t FE’ers zoom the set sun back into view?
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  741. The producers chose what snippets they used.
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  742. They may well have done; there appears to be a lot of editing, with each question cut very short.
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  743. They’re fooling you to fool you is the only plausible motive suggested so far.
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  744. Explain how that applies to the shape of the Earth.
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  745.  @mombojom3  Don't expect answers from Dubay; he deals in smoke & mirrors.
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  746.  @TheBullet51  "I know nothing about the occult " If you know nothing about science then you have no basis for referring to it as the occult.
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  747. Evidence?
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  748. Is he saying watching this video makes you an expert on a subject?
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  749.  @Globehoax  We can produce evidence & explanations and you can’t.
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  750. "I do not currently have the technology to see for myself" Look up. The motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - observable by any Tom, Dick or Harry, indicative of a globe and impossible on a FE. "I do not trust all science as there are too many contradictions" Such as? "Not one actual photograph" Says whom and why? Why can't any of the people claiming they can tell fakes explain what they find wrong and how? "Compartmentalization is definitely an issue in the scientific society" Specialisation, not compartmentalisation. There's plenty of interaction between specialists of different disciplines and specialisation does not mean we know nothing of other subjects. "I live 100ft from the Pacific Ocean. It looks flat flat flat." Given a 25,000 mile circumference, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to observe? "The evidence for both is out there" So FE'ers keep claiming but they never produce it.
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  751.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on FE’ers to explain where to; presumably you don’t want to try?
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  752. They’re about software for modelling aerodynamics. To simply the maths they made several assumptions like no loss of weight from fuel consumption, inflexibility of the airframe, no weather and no curvature. That’s it.
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  753.  @2right2bwrong49  YT deletes comments with links and website names.
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  754.  @oak3ns  There is no “middle ground” or even a debate at all; that the Earth is a sphere was determined 2500 years ago.
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  755.  @songsofhealing777  Your OP specifically referred to gender and biology. Gender is psychological, sex is biological and they aren’t synonymous.
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  756. Produce the evidence of an Arctic wall.
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  757. There’s 3hrs of evidence been removed to keep the video “balanced”.
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  758. You're posting this in multiple places? The question as it stands can refer to any number of situations. From the context you are referring to the atmosphere; that declines in pressure with increasing altitude and at no point is there is pressure difference that needs separating.
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  759.  @Jeff-iz9hn  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. Have you tried dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles? Atmospheric pressure declines with increasing altitude; at no point is there pressure adjacent to a vacuum. Evidence for a dome other than “there just gotta be”?
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  760. Says whom other than the conspiracy mongers?
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  761. Perspective is the usual handwave but they never explain why the sun maintains a constant angular diameter or why it would disappear over the horizon without coming within 10-20 degrees of it or why it would disappear at all. They’re quite sure they have the answers though.
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  762. Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is eell substantiated by extensive observation and experimentation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  763. He’s on a permanent spree; this is just his latest moniker.
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  764. They assume the limit of visual acuity is the only reason you can no longer see something. They zoom in one something that has yet to reach the horizon and declare they’ve disproved the horizon. None of them have brought back a “half-sunk” ship, much less the set sun.
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  765. "NASA has said in an article from 1988 about aerospace and aircrafts mentioning twice the earth is flat and stationary." Have you considered reading the whole sentence in those documents? They are quite explicit in stating that keeping maths to the basic aerodynamics and ignoring ignoring complicatory factors like flexibility in an airframe, a planes weight changing as it uses fuel, no weather and no compensation for curvature. "water proves a flat earth" Only if you insist level and flat are synonymous. Open a good dictionary and look at the multiple meanings of the word level. "airplanes prove the flat Earth" By flying routes that would be impossible on a F,E e.g., direct flights from Sydney to Santiago? "it was being taught in the USA school system in early 1900's" No, it was not. "We are Geocentric and we are the center" Evidence? "Just about every ancient culture also thought the earth was flat" They also thought lightning were gods hurling thunderbolts, trepanning was miracle cure, blood sacrifices were productive and metal couldn't float. How far do you want to take this? "The sphere is complete nonsense" WGS84. "we arent flying through space" Stellar parallax indicates otherwise. "Using logic and reasoning will show you the truth" Ignoring evidence you don't want to hear is not logical and relying on "just gotta be" arguments is not reasonable. "The technology of infrared lens and so on have outgrew their lies" The results support a globe. Garbled FE'er interpretations that ignore key factors and utilise incorrect maths don't change that. "the more I looked into it the more I realized we've been lied too folks" I just pointed out a long string of lies that FE'ers feed you.
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  766.  @KangenAlec  And yet all demonstrated and work together in a coherent model with contradictions and FE’ers can’t even explain why the sun moves differently to what they claim.
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  767.  @Globeisahoax  You forgot to stamp your foot.
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  768. Masks reduce the probability of transmission by catching most of the microdroplets you exhale. The biosuits are to keep transmission to zero while handling the worst viruses. Most viruses require only biosafety cabinets and appropriate vaccinations.
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  769.  @Globeisahoax  No answer to his question then. How difficult is it fir the nan with the answers to provide the answers is supposedly so eager to share?
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  770. FE’ers have difficulty thinking beyond the present.
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  771. They provided abundant evidence but it was cut to keep the discussion “balanced”.
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  772.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence, be it from you or Dubay.
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  773.  @KangenAlec  Which does not answer the question. What keeps it up, what makes it move, what makes it change direction?
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  774. What does NASA have to do with it? The Earth was deduced to be a globe 2000 years before they came into existence.
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  775. Looking vertically the atmosphere thins out quickly; look horizontally and it's atmosphere all the way between you & the viewed object. While on a globe the horizon limits out view of distant objects, on a FE you would be able to see an unlimited distance; the moisture & dirt would gradually reduce how clearly you could see until everything disappears into a haze several hundred miles away. No explanation ever forthcoming from FE'ers how you can confuse a near horizon and distant haze.
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  776. He means you can't cherry pick what you wish to accept. What gets taught most people is very basic science; it is very well-established. If you think it wrong then you need to demonstrate that; simply refusing to accept something does not invalidate it.
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  777.  @firebanner6424  He never supplies evidence or answers questions.
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  778.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom.
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  779. Earth was deduced to be a sphere c. 500BC.
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  780.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, the Gleason projection is a map of the globe.
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  781.  @wakey4286  That's lunar eclipses, something which couldn't happen on a FE when both sun & moon are always above a FE. Lunar phases are due to the moon's orbit changing the relative positions of the Earth, sun & moon and thus how much of the sunlit side of the moon we can see. The whole world sees the same phase but on a FE the phase would dependent on each observer's location.
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  782.  @KangenAlec  "Legally nasa has to say it’s flat" Under what legislation?
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  783. The Koran was written a millenium after it was deduced the Earth was a globe.
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  784.  @papihuey  That would we cherry-picking and selective interpretation to support their predetermined conclusions, not Christian doctrine.
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  785. Scientific theory, not the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  786.  @KangenAlec  Which one? You've had it explained to you umpteen times why the one you keep referring to is inaccurate.
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  787. The rotation is detectable using gyroscopes and the Foucault pendulum. That you can't sense it is simply because one rotation per day is too slow for your cochlear to sense.
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  788.  @tx865  Good luck; his only measurement for the distance to the sun is “I can see it”.
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  789.  @KangenAlec  Because you are quoting gibberish from a yoga teacher.
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  790.  @Globeishoax  yet again doofus, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  791.  @mayoiko  Preferably trying to navigate themselves.
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  792.  @KangenAlec  "enslavement by injecting people with lethal poisons" How could someone be enslaved when they're dead?
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  793. Find some intelligent people who have no concept of measurement and you might find intelligent FE’ers.
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  794.  @tbrown3356  Which doesn’t explain time zones or the sun rising & setting or the sun maintaining a constant angular diameter & velocity throughout the day.
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  795.  @tbrown3356  how does atmospheric pressure decrease with increasing altitude when you predict constant pressure?
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  796.  @tbrown3356  "The globe model has gas pressure next to a vacuum" Atmospheric pressure declines with increasing altitude, eventually reaching 0 atm. At what point are you saying there is 1 atm immediately adjacent to 0 atm? "Can you demonstrate gas pressure next to a vacuum and not filling the available space?" Planetary atmospheres: Venus, Earth, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune. Which are you saying has high pressure adjacent to a vacuum? "That violates entropy and gas laws" Gases are matter and, like all matter, responds to all forces acting upon it. "Gas pressure requires containment." Describing the relationship between pressure, temperature & volume requires a container. Gas itself does not require a physical container to exist. Produce your evidence of this container.
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  797.  @tbrown3356  I just pointed out twice that air pressure declines with increasing altitude. Are you having difficulty understanding?
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  798. Someone promptly claims the windows are monitors…
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  799.  @Globeisahoax  Those would be artist's impressions; why do you think they are accurate when you frequently deride photos as artist's impressions?
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  800.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who insists a telescope can zoom in on people from even further away.
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  801.  @KangenAlec  You don’t see any contradiction?
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  802.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t come up with any evidence that it isn’t a globe.
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  803. They would have to bring their own FE map, which they all possess but none can ever produce...
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  804. Go to Arxiv or PubMed and read some research papers then consider how you can compact that information into the attention span of someone with minimal understanding of the subject.
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  805.  @ibangeverything902  He denies telescopes exist.
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  806.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how you measured the distance to the sun; you just keep denying everybody else’s measurements. Not have you explained why the lethal injections leaves everybody alive?
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  807.  @KangenAlec  He asked where the edge is. You all claim to have the FE mapped so where exactly is the edge? Where exactly are your insurmountable ice barriers?
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  808. There are multiple space agencies. Four agencies contributed modules for the ISS. NASA wasnt even the first agency. No space agencies at all existed in ancient Greece.
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  809. What interesting aspects?
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  810.  @yugawtbhigbawls9172  Do you understand what omnipotent and omnipresent mean?
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  811.  @yugawtbhigbawls9172  So how would the Earth bring a sphere stop a god bring omnipotent & omnipresent?
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  812. No we don’t. You have to take into account elevation & atmospheric refraction as well as curvature.
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  813. They relied on willful ignorance & incredulity rather than defended the concept of a FE. Try getting meaningful answers out of a FE’er.
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  814. And yet supported by so much evidence.
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  815.  @spacemonkey1776  Look it up on the “pub med” database.
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  816.  @KangenAlec  Answer his question.
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  817.  @KangenAlec  When you can't produce evidence to back an idea it doesn't even qualify as a hypothesis.
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  818. Try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  819. A law is a description of a phenomenon while a theory is the explanation for it. They are two different things. The theory is the highest since a law offers no explanation.
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  820.  @KangenAlec  You need to explain how they covered the distance in the time they did.
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  821.  @KangenAlec  You need to produce a working FE map first.
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  822.  @KangenAlec  But no working maps.
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  823.  @KangenAlec  Which does not answer his question. The sun retains a constant angular diameter, but shrink away to nothing, and you have never explained why it would only light a limited misshapen area of a FE.
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  824.  @joeabraham1304  If only FE’ers could produce any evidence to back that....
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  825.  @pimsooriyo2596  He has had two other accounts at different time so his total is much higher but his meaningful answers stands at zero.
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  826.  @Globehoax  Asking you for answers you claim eager to share is not trolling you. Why don’t you just answer the questions?
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  827.  @luci4403  You need to direct those questions at a FE’er. I was commenting on their dumbness.
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  828.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence...
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  829. @Luke Skyballer In what way? The air contains particulates; over a sufficiently great distance the view would gradually disappear into haze. The globe has a horizon at a much closer distance; even record distance photos on a globe would be mundane on a FE.
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  830. Elevation affects how far you can see. The island 60 miles away can be seen from a mountain but not from the shoreline, something about the example FE’ers always forget because they cant think beyond one factor at a time.
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  831. They think we spend our careers reading dusty textbooks; they don’t make any association between scientists & labs.
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  832.  @KangenAlec  Fir what purpose exactly?
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  833. Do you want accurate maps that enable long distance trade & travel? GPS? Satellite TV?
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  834.  @KangenAlec  Why can you never provide evidence?
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  835.  @Globeisahoax  Well, at least that is a step up from your prior claim if it being a weather balloon. The same questions still apply though: how does it remain fueled and why is it unaffected by weather?
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  836. Where do you think sea-level is not rising?
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  837. They don't.
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  838.  @Globeisahoaxx  You still haven't said how you determined the distance to the FE sun. What's taking so long?
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  839. Because they believe the Earth is flat regardless of observable reality saying otherwise.
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  840. It has been heavily edited; you can't know what was or wasn't said in the missing sections.
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  841.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  842. "scientist can prove nothing" WGS84 is the measurement of the Earth's shape. Do you understand that something can be measured? The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a globe by the motion of the sun, existence of horizons, angle to Polaris, change in constellations with latitude and two celestial poles. Since then we have fully mapped the world enabling planes to make an intercontinental flights direct to an airport thousands of miles away and put satellites in orbit that provide you with TV, GPS and millions of photos. "there is more test and physical evidence that the earth is flat" Why can one of you ever produce these definitive tests? Why can't any of you explain what can be readily observed?
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  843. The Earth was accepted to be a sphere before the Church was founded. Galileo’s observations indicated the Earth wasn’t the centre of the universe which is what upset the religious authorities.
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  844. Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation.
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  845. They make excuses for no FE’ers having gone much less photographed it but continue to claim they have such evidence.
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  846. The video has been heavily edited. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; all readily confirmable.
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  847. And there’s of lot of people who fail to take into account elevation & atmospheric refraction no matter how many times the absolute necessity is pointed out to them. That is willful ignorance.
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  848.  @KangenAlec  Tower singular and it didn’t.
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  849. As Kangen here kindly demonstrates.
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  850. What do you think we do in labs?
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  851. 1st: they usually produce the Gleason azimuthal projection of the globe with no understanding of scale or just allude to the Real Map they supposedly possess but never oriduce. 2nd: close eyes, insert fingers in ears and start chanting.
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  852.  @KangenAlec  If you find it all obvious then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  853. They caught on that that would mean everybody had the same time. These days they claim it moves in a horizontal circle above the FE equator but provide no explanation how that would work, how it defies their beloved perspective, how it rises & sets, how it lights the area it does….
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  854.  @Globeisahoax  Undersea cables handle 95% of transoceanic traffic; the remainder goes by satellite link. Still waiting on the FE'ers to support their assertion that 95% = 100%. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for how signals are obtained in the absence of cables & towers. All you've suggested so for are hordes of invisible balloons that don't need any form of maintenance.
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  855. A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. In science a theory is the comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation.
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  856.  @0rangebanana  "A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory." What's difficult to understand? Do you know what a dictionary is?
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  857. How do they fiddle with the motion of the sun & stars?
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  858.  @KangenAlec  For the 100th time, blockhead; motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles...
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  859.  @KangenAlec  And has been debunked countless times since. You still haven’t explained how density can act as a force, just took his word for it.
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  860.  @KangenAlec  If you think he explained how density acts s force then say what that explanation is. I’m banned from his channel for asking. Why don’t you try reading through the debunkings?
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  861.  @milliegriffin8402  Already told him why people see "flickering lights"; he's not interested in facts.
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  862. Eyes closed, fingers in ears and speaking loudly.
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  863. You’e assuming they respond to rational argument.
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  864. They are citing it in the, er, original English.
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  865. That was in this video but the editors took it out.
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  866. Example?
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  867. They have and there are external cameras too taking such live feed.
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  868. Still waiting on FE’ers to come up with a plausible reason much less explain the logistics of a millenia-long conspiracy involving millions.
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  869. The Earth was deduced to be a sphere by the ancient Greeks around 500BC. A spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic universe from 100AD. Explain how an organisation formed around 1300AD influenced those events.
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  870.  @yesno4989  Cut & paste.
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  871. How many have lost their lives be because they refused a jab?
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  872. Free speech means I have the right to question them. There is no obligation on me to listen to them, not laugh at them or not criticise them; they do not fall under censorship.
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  873. Still waiting for the FE’er explanation for circumpolar navigations.
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  874. You should have used some quote marks. 😊
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  875. Evidence?
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  876.  @Globeisahoax  Measurably 93 million mikes away but the concept of measurement does seem beyond your comprehension.
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  877.  @KangenAlec  We measure the distance to the sun while you pull a number out of your arse.
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  878.  @Matuse  For the effort he puts in he’s more likely delusional.
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  879. Ships appearing over the horizon is an effect of curvature over variable distance from the observer. The horizon is equidistant; to see a left-ti-right curve in that you would need to go far higher than a skydiver.
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  880.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence if a dome or any explanation why objects fall if not by gravity or why has pressure decreases with altitude. Come on man, you claim to have all these answers! Start producing them!
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  881. People ask them questions they can't answer (and sometimes can't even understand) when we are supposed to unquestioningly swallow what they are saying.
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  882.  @KangenAlec  It nicely demonstrates FE'ers self-deception.
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  883.  @Globehoax  Says the guy who can’t answer or explain anything…
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  884. Challenging a hypothesis is expected in gathering data and understanding. Something is accepted as a scientific theory because it has stood up to all attempts to disprove it; to put further effort into trying to disprove it would be a waste of time & resources. Looking out for anything that contradicts an accepted theory remains worthwhile.
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  885. You're open to the idea that the sun doesn't rise & set as observed every day? That you can never see the moon during daytime like we can half the month?
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  886. Apparently for these reasons: 1. <silence> (the most common explanation). 2. They're fooling us just to fool us. 3. To hide an omnipotent, omniscient god by...means... 4. Believing the Earth is a globe means "They" have total mind control over you. 5. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome.
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  887.  @UpNorthBeats  The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a globe from the movement of the sun, lunar eclipse and horizons. You can do it yourself with sticks & shadows (with travel), how the angle to Polaris changes with latitude and noting that there are two celestial poles. That you can readily travel the long distances to do any of that indicates that we have accurate maps.
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  888.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: there's these things called telescopes...
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  889. If you want accurate maps enabling long distance travel then yes.
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  890.  @GuardianSoulkeeper  I’ve been bending his ear for over a year
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  891. We've looked at it. FE'ers insist on making predictions using the wrong maths that ignores elevation & atmospheric refraction and think they're on to something when they get the wrong answers. It's explained to you over and over and over and over that all factors have to be accounted for but you aren't interested. "The argument is this you can see all ( including the bottom! ) of the Chicago skyline from across lake Michigan" Occasionally there is a mirage that enable the upper part (and only the upper parts) of the Chciagoe skyscrapers to be briefly visible from inside Michigan state. That it is considered newsworthy should be a clue to FE'ers that there is something unusual is occurring, not the mundane, but that seems beyond you. "y'all reading this won't make your own observation confirming the curvature isn't there" FE'ers don't; you just keeping quoting the news so why the complaint? "No curvature." Only when you use the wrong maths....
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  892.  @KangenAlec  Yet again for the blockhead: motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles, all of which you can check for yourself.
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  893.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses.
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  894. Which you promptly deny...
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  895. "why does SpaceX turn off the Camera when they drop the boosters" The cameras are part of SpaceX monitoring the boosters; when they're gone there's no reason to keep filming. "why do they only show cartoon graphics for their missions" What kind of graphics do you want and why? " the only view the SpaceX Dragon pilots get" They aren't sightseers; they're there to monitor what is occurring and take control if necessary and that can't be done by peering out of a window. Building in a window adds to cost and structural complexity if you're going to suggest they do that. The camera on the outside of the launch rocket records Earth in the background throughout the launch. The one inside monitors the release of the launch. The cameras on the outside of the Dragon have side views of the booster and thus some view of Earth. If you check the view of the booster before ignition you can clearly see the booster has a double black line along it's edge; that's what you are looking after the booster is ignited. How exactly are they hiding Earth when the launch rocket camera captures it nicely?
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  896.  @Globehoax  You need to explain how the direct flights are possible on a FE. What’s taking you so long?
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  897.  @AnonymousAnonymous-oc1ry  Why would that work? What would the sun appear like?
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  898. Oblate spheroid not oval; the difference between major and minor radii is about 10 miles.
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  899. To be accurate: training pool (water turns the ambient light blue) , out of focus objects (bubbles don’t drift slowly sideways) and video compression.
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  900. No need to shout.
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  901.  @KangenAlec  I have; where in the Treaty does it say that exactly?
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  902. The ancient Greeks deduced it around 500BC from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude and constellations changing with latitude. Since a flat earth was assumed prior to then some of the Old Testament phrasing reflects that but the NT does not.
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  903. "Why can he not prove it then?" You realise that the video was heavily edited? Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses all indicative that the Earth is a globe and disproves a FE. We are still waiting on the FE'er explanations for how they could be possible on a FE in direct contradiction to their predictions.
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  904.  @Globeisahoax  That’s never bothered you when dismissing the ISS as a weather balloon. Do you want to explain now or just continue dodging the question?
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  905.  @thecolonel6735  I meant precisely what I said: some of them think lenses can be designed to curve one particular counter out of the while visage.
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  906.  @KangenAlec  Provide some evidence.
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  907.  @KangenAlec  "injecting 300 million healthy people with lethal injections" And yet those people are still alive...
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  908. The boats pass beyond their visual acuity well before they reach the horizon. When an object actually does pass over the horizon it gradually disappears from the bottom up (eg the setting sun) but they never try zooming them back into view.
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  909.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  910.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who quotes a rock band as evidence.
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  911.  @Globeisahoaxx  If you’re so sell educated then why won’t you answer questions or divulge evidence?
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  912.  @k.4625  They don't want to know.
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  913.  @Globeisahoax  Why cant you produce said proof?
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  914. The video has been edited to remove the one way flow of evidence from the scientists; don't blame them for Jubilee's actions. "globe earth still has problems at least by the math we are given today" Such as what?
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  915. Did you have practical science classes in school?
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  916. ​ @kashifmccracken1526  "I'm asserting that asking what are globe earther events is not sticking to the topic" You raised the notion. "Low orbit is 6213.712 miles" Maximum for LEO is seen as 1000km. Probes are routinely sent into HEO or to other bodies. Manned flights are currently limited to LEO. "Nasa admits we cannot get out of low orbit" The Apollo craft were all single use and have been used. Being single-use means they can't be used twice; the Saturn V launchers are largely burned up in the atmosphere or at the bottom of oceans, the Landing Modules are setting on the moon, the Ascent Modules smashed on the moon and what remains of the Command Modules are sitting in museums. None of it can be re-used. Since 1973 technology has advanced. Computers, materials, manufacturing practices have all advanced; building another Saturn V & Apollo craft would require serious regression in technology. The people who designed and largely hand-assembled the Apollo craft are retired & dead; their notes exists as do the blueprints but all refer to pre-1973 technology. If modern manned spacecraft need to leave LEO then they need to do so with modern, compatible technology, particularly with features that enable modern computer chips (far more sensitive circuitry than the crude microchips of pre-1973) to survive the radiation and the means to sustain a larger crew on longer missions than the 3 man, two week missions of the Apollo programme. Manned missions not being able to leave currently does not magically mean it has always been impossible.
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  917.  @Globeisahoax  Being disagreed with and having questions asked of you is not censorship. Wanting everybody you don’t like banned as trolls is censorship.
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  918. They believe the sun is visibly spherical which means it sends light in all directions while actually only sending it to a limited, very misshapen area (because it just does both) that poorly mimics half s globe bring illuminated. They have no explanation for longer days in the Southern Hemisphere since their predicts WiFi’s become markedly shorter in the summer.
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  919.  @KangenAlec  None of you have posted a FE map on Instagram. Why can’t you?
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  920. When any Tom, Dick or Harry can post a video on any subject regardless of how little they know or understand then YT is generally not a reliable source of information. There are genuinely informative channels but you need to apply some common sense when looking.
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  921. "rain formation" There's an endless supply of water in the heavens?
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  922.  @Globehoax  You’ve moved on from “density force” to spontaneous motion?
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  923. "intellect and reason is stable" Simplistic would be a better description. They have no notion of accurate calculations & measurements, multiple factors, multiple causes...
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  924.  @Globeisahoaxx  You still haven’t said how you determined the sun to ve small & close or explained why the FE sun would only light a limited misshapen area. Why cant the manwith the answers provide answers?
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  925.  @KangenAlec  You would however be able see hundreds of miles rather than the 10's actually visible, but, heck, FE'ers have no grasp of numbers.
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  926.  @somerandomdude4588  Dwarfed by his other account, Globe is a Hoax.
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  927.  @mattaugust4813  He asks the same questions repeatedly, I answer them repeatedly and he claims nobody gives him the answers. His head is blocked. Check Morton’s demon.
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  928.  @KangenAlec  NASA is irrelevant to what we determined millennia is ago.
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  929.  @Globeisahoax  Gleason is an a azimuthal projection of the globe.
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  930.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees.
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  931.  @KangenAlec  Yet the distances claimed by FE'ers wouldn't have it coming within 20 degrees of the horizon; can any of you actually handle maths?
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  932. You realise that the original version wasn't written in English?
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  933.  @KangenAlec  You’re saying you don’t see them rising & setting?
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  934.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the sun's observable motion differs from what you're claiming.
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  935. Numbers are important. The amount of oblation is tiny compared to the radius; for most intents and purposes the Earth is a perfect sphere. You’re making the usual mistake of assuming a value is either “nothing” or “huge” rather than considering “how much?”
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  936.  @shallnotprevail  That's the usual mistake disguised as pedanticism.
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  937.  @shallnotprevail  One picture is a composite. 1. I realise that some people have serious problems with numbers but 1 should not be difficult to comprehend. At the time we didn't have cameras above LEO. We currently have multiple cameras in geostationary orbit collectively taking several single-frame shots per hour but some people can't think beyond 1.
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  938. 1968 Earthrise.
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  939.  @Globehoax  Yet again dumbo, 23.4 degrees and there is no top & bottom.
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  940. @James Henry Smith Why have FE’ers never heard of telescopes?
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  941.  @KangenAlec  2500 years whether you like it or not and in months you have yet to answer the basic question asked; motive.
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  942.  @KangenAlec  It’s easy to demonstrate the distance through triangulation and its movement. You’re claiming observable reality is wrong; you need to produce evidence to back your claim.
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  943.  @karjay0428  His sole line of argument is “just gotta be a hoax therefore it’s flat”.
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  944.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  I’ve explained to him umpteen times but he just can’t grasp it.
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  945. A scientific theory is an explanation for how something happens; it is based on facts collated from experimentation and observation. Nothing outside maths can be proven absolutely; the theory can be assumed to be a fact for every day purposes but can never be absolutely proven to be such. The shape of the Earth is a fact.
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  946. You realise we are talking about the shape of the Earth, not its composition or origins? That the ancient Greeks deduced its shape from observation long before science existed?
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  947. Let me guess - it must be a fisheye lens because the horizon is curved?
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  948.  @KangenAlec  How high have you been to verify your FE model is correct?
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  949. And, as answered, you need to come up with reproducible evidence not conjecture.
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  950. Everything’s a conspiracy to them.
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  951.  @Globeisahoaxx  Once again doofus, there isn’t a camera with that magnification.
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  952. Manned missions are expensive & limited in duration and far more can be achieved with far less money by using unmanned missions. Simple practicality.
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  953.  mike  Single use craft that were used; having been used they could bot be reused. Lower part of Saturn V’s are the bottom if the icean, upper part up in the atmosphere. Apollo Landjbg Modules are sitting on the moon, ascent Modules smashed kn the moon, Command Modules half burned during reentry. Is that clear?
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  954.  @jasonclark9963  They can’t produce any and this guy resolutely refuses to answer the questions hd wants you to ask. Take a look at Professor Dave’s 10 Things That All Flat Earthers Say.
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  955.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in your evidence.
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  956.  @KangenAlec  Not providing any explaining how it would stay up, move and change direction is not explaining how it would stay up, move and change direction. How dim does somebody need to be to think a lack of explanation is explanatory?
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  957.  @Globeisahoax  You’re repeating fallacies you can’t back.
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  958.  @KangenAlec  "rockets began hitting the Dome" Evidence?
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  959. They don’t know. Flat Earth Dave revels in ignorance & incredulity; he doesn’t supply workable answers.
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  960.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map and the flights don’t fit it.
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  961. How much does 2+2 really equal?
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  962.  @crystalAbrahams7  Evidence?
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  963.  @crystalAbrahams7  Why do The Enlightened keep saying "ask someone else"? How difficult for any of you to answer?
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  964.  @KangenAlec  "Challenger crew is a alive and kicking" You still haven't explained how and why they would live double lives since they were born. How do you think it was done? Enlighten us.
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  965. We've known the Earth was a globe since about 500BC; how would NASA influence the ancient Greeks?
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  966. Eratosthenes was intent on measuring the Earth, not demonstrating it was a sphere; that had been deduced two centuries earlier from the motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses.
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  967. FE'er are incapable of comprehending there are multiple meanings to the word level, remaining stubbornly ignorant even when the dictionary is put in front of them.
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  968. Edited video. The editors can remove whatever they like from the final cut.
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  969. With a far weaker return signal.
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  970. A. There is abundant evidence from which the Big Bang can be deduced. B. The FE'ers are arguing only direct personal observation is valid evidence so he asking why they accept the existence of God without that direct personal observation, i.e., explain their contradiction.
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  971. Flatearthers can't relate to numbers or measurement, scale, more than one significant factor, prediction and basic physics. There's a limit to how simply something can be presented.
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  972.  @mzadro7  Their gurus tell them that scientists don’t actually test anything, that aspect is left to the question-asking FE’ers. I’ve asked them what they think we do in labs and they just seemed flummoxed.
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  973. Somebody will no doubt pop up claiming it is all explained but they won’t be able to provide any of those explanations; none of them ever can.
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  974.  @KangenAlec  Then why can none of you answer questions?
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  975.  @KangenAlec  Evidence of these extra lands?
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  976.  @KangenAlec  Yet we can prove a globe while you’re incapable of answering people questions and just keeping asking the same question repeatedly hoping for a different answer.
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  977. They never do…
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  978. Yes; all the SpaceX are live-streamed. Still doesn't satisfy them. There were empty seats on the Tesla that they could have been sitting in.
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  979.  @KangenAlec  What keeps the sun up, what moves it, what make it change course?
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  980.  @KangenAlec  How do they reach the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome? Who do they employ if nobody can go there?
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  981.  @KangenAlec  The 23.4 degree tilt in the rotational axis favouring the northern or southern hemisphere for the amount of sunlight during the course of the year.
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  982.  @KangenAlec  Just because you refuse to acknowledge telescopes exist dies make planets lights in the sky.
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  983.  @redspotaudio  As ever you fail to consider how heat moves; the cover traps rising heat.
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  984.  @AkronOhioMachine  What do you think we have labs for?
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  985.  @KangenAlec  And yet we can answers any questions raised and you can’t.
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  986.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on a FE’er to zoom the set sun back into view. What’s the problem?
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  987.  @Globeisahoaxx  You always refuse to explain how you measured the distance to the FE sun. What's the problem?
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  988.  @Globeisahoaxx  The globe is demonstrable; still waiting on you to provide any evidence that it is wrong.
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  989.  @noobslayermeister  They never say how.
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  990.  @KangenAlec  What have you done to check that?
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  991.  @KangenAlec  Your impenetrable dome doesn’t constitute a border? How do envisage people passing through it?
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  992.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for objects falling.
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  993.  @KangenAlec  At best the sun would decrease in size to about a quarter of its angular diameter, far far bigger than any star and thus would remain clearly visible and illuminating.
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  994.  @KangenAlec  1. You still haven't produced any evidence of your mystery planet, much less any explanation for how it only turns opaque briefly at just the right time and is totally undetectable otherwise. 2. Yes, they do change. You need only actually look. 3. Yes, they do. 4. Yes, they do. 5. You still haven't explained the reproducible results from the Cavendish experiment or provided a viable alternative explanation for objects falling.
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  995.  @kyritsitonakis5802  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. Thats how the ancient Greeks deduced it and anybody can verify their observations. 2500 years on we are still waiting on FE’ers to produce their explanations.
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  996.  @kyritsitonakis5802  The sun rises in the east, it crosses the sky at a fixed angular velocity, it sets in the west. The motion of the sun is observable every day by any sighted person. Its motion defines day & night. The length of day & night varies with latitude & date. FE has a sun either circling above & below a FE (the entire world would be in the same time zone and woyld have a fixed 12hr daytime) or circling in a horizontal orbit above the FE (the sun would never rise or set and its angular velocity would vary between observers). The Earth being a globe with a declined rotational axis and a distant sun predicts exactly what we see worldwide. A geostationary globe with the sun in an inclined orbit also predicts exactly what we see.
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  997.  @kyritsitonakis5802  I should note that you can measure the angular velocity by placing an upright stick in the ground and marking the direction of the shadow at hourly intervals. The markers will be regularly spaced while the FE with horizontal solar orbit predicts greater spacing at midday and narrower spacing morning & evening.
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  998. They prefer to deny space exists rather than try explaining it.
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  999.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have failed to provide evidence.
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  1000. Long distance trade & travel rely in accurate maps; without those maps the foreign goods you use day in, day out wouldn’t exist.
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  1001. How do you think NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks?
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  1002.  @KangenAlec  In which case none of you should have a problem producing a FE map. Why can’t any of you do it?
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  1003.  @KangenAlec  In which case why do you continue advocating FE?
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  1004. Trade & travel require accurate maps. GPS & satellite TV require satellites in orbit.
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  1005.  @Globeisahoax  And yet the observable motion of the sun & moon contradict your claims, ie., they rise & set, they maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity. How do you reconcile that with your claims?
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  1006.  @KangenAlec  You insist that there is an impenetrable dome; how are you saying anybody could reach such lands to make use of them?
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  1007. They differ according to location, rotate in the course of the night, change through the course of the year, “wobble” over the course of 20,000 years and the constellations change sufficiently over the course of 100,000’s years. What doesn’t fit with Earth being a globe?
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  1008.  @aaronwhite3058  The stars are very distant (the nearest 4 light years away and the visible stars are upto thousands of light years away, a light year being approximately 6 trillion miles) and are moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy rotates. Given the sheer scale, changes require 100,000's of years to be readily apparent , not a few minutes.
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  1009.  @aaronwhite3058  "the alleged speed" Regardless of something's speed, the further away it is the slower it appears to move, i.e., it covers a narrower angle of view in a given time. The visible stars are trillions to quadrillions of miles away, not a few miles away.
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  1010. Why would it be taking photos of Earth when the magnification, focus, exposure & orientation are for distant stars? EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are designed for such shots and download several per hour, all available on line.
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  1011. @Luke Skyballer I’m thinking of the Hubble. 🙁
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  1012. How does the big guy lean on observable reality?
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  1013. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow.
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  1014. The expansion continues and can be traced backwards to a single point. Can you prove God exists?
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  1015.  @lmathews5608  "my very existence is evidence" That's presumption on your part, not evidence. Humans & chimps have a common ancestor; we didn't evolve from chimps. The two lines diverged over 10 million years ago. Homo sapiens has existed for c. 200,000 years which is a shorter period, not longer. "hot muddy soup to turn into tadpoles and worms" A few billion years which is a longer period still.
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  1016. They just claim the sun only lights up a limited, misshapen area at a time for no reason they can come up with.
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  1017.  @imsavor  They’ll give you more of the same but no answers.
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  1018.  @Globeisahoax  Because none of you can produce anything to back it, just keep denying observable reality.
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  1019.  @luigicirelli2583  ​ ​ ​ ​ ​ Rotation is oncd per day; 1000mph is a linear speed abd nothing rotates in a straight line. The atmosphere gradually built up on a rotating Earth and friction meant it rotated at the same speed as Earth. You do understand that multiple objects can move simultaneously, not just one? Where are you saying there is more than 24hrs in a day? Why would the atmosphere rush to the equator? What are arcadian cycles? The surface isn’t evenly heated. How do you think there is permafrost towards the poles?
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  1020.  @KangenAlec  What would we gain?
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  1021.  @Globeisahoax  Quite - you keep “telling” us but can provide absolutely nothing to back your claim.
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  1022.  @Globeisahoax  While ignoring what Byrd actually said & did. Why do the “think for yourself” and “question what you’re told” crowd never think to question their gurus?
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  1023. No, it’s a misconception of people who haven’t thought to ask how funding works.
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  1024.  @KangenAlec  What’s your budget for prattling on about FE?
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  1025. The video has been heavily edited to keep the illusion of balance.
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  1026. If you want long distance travel & trade then you need accurate maps. You can’t make accurate maps without knowing the shape of the surface.
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  1027.  @KangenAlec  We've known the Earth to be a globe since about 500BC, something that was deduced by the observations FE'ers assidiously avoid making, e.g., movement of the sun; a spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic geocentric universe since about 100AD. 500 years was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric; nothing to do with a change in shape. "Dont know the basics of geocentric model" FE'ers don't know the basics of a FE. You can't answer any question put to you.
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  1028. You’re just having problems envisaging how big 25,000 miles is.
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  1029. Nobody has ever produced evidence to back that assertion. None of you have ever explained the material predating 1957 about the Earth being a globe.
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  1030. There is a difference between belief and proof; the former is based on inspiration & revelation, the latter on facts & reason. The above video deals with facts; how somebody feels religiously is irrelevant to the matter.
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  1031.  @Globehoax  You just told Albert Flores that telescopes exist; now you're denying them again. Can't decide?
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  1032. A simpler dare would be to put a stock in the ground and track the angle of the sun or zoom the set sun back into view. None of them want to try either.
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  1033. Jubilee cut out the one-way flow of scientific data.
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  1034.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't produced any evidence of that.
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  1035.  @Globeisahoaxx  A sphere means the light strikes at a more oblique angle with increasing latitude. Not difficult to comprehend.
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  1036.  @Globeisahoaxx  You still havent said hiw yiu measured the distance to the FE sun. Why are you taking so long?
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  1037. When they test any equations they either use the wrong equations to begin with or ignore competing factors.
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  1038.  @jameskirkpatrick2491  There’s no scientific evidence for a creator; religion is a matter of belief abd they don’t believe. The Earth coming into existence does not require a creator, just time and the observable laws of physics, so there is no reason to assume a creator.
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  1039. The direct flights between southern continents bamboozle them.
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  1040.  @KangenAlec  None of which you ever provide any evidence for.
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  1041.  @michaelobrien5891  FE’ers have no clue about scale; they play with P900 and think it quite possible to have the magnification to see satellites.
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  1042. They visualise a 25-250 mile circumference when it comes to the globe; they have a very poor sense of scale.
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  1043.  @jerrynadler2883  The Law of Gravity simply states that the attraction is proportional to the product of the two masses and inversely proportional to the distance between the centre of masses; it offers no explanation as to why this attraction occurs. The Theory of Gravity is the explanation for the attraction, ie., distortion of space-time by a gravitational field. I assume you are trying to claim the change of mass at relativistic velocities is inconsistent with conservation of mass. Conservation of mass was replaced with conservation of mass-energy and both assume a closed system (no energy escaping, e.g., heat). The latter is consistent with the theory of relativity. Neither law explains why the mass or mass-energy would remain conserved; the theory of relativity does.
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  1044. The problem was with the editing rather than moderation; the bulk of the discussion is absent.
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  1045. And a millennium after the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe from observing the sun, moon & stars.
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  1046.  @KangenAlec  Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  1047.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why only a limited misshapen area. Youve had a year; how long do you need?
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  1048. The loopier the subject then the more difficult it is to distinguish the two.
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  1049. Watch Professor Dave's 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say. He runs through their reasoning or lack thereof.
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  1050. pi = circumference/diameter. Are you proposing that circumference can divide itself by the diameter or do you understand that it is a mathematical description?
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  1051. An increasingly oblique angle the further rimwards you went.
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  1052.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how observable reality contradicting FE somehow supports FE. What’s the delay?
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  1053. Most FE’ers seem to be very religious, frequently waving a Bible as part of their evidence. Possibly it’s a mindset that looks for simple but incorrect explanations that they can comprehend.
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  1054. Brittany Wade We’ve done the research; it’s nonsense.
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  1055.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1056. The Earth was determined to be a sphere 2000 years before Galileo; he was instrumental in the shift from geocentric to heliocentric model.
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  1057.  @Globeishoaxx  Evidence?
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  1058.  @Matuse  Thanks, I’m confusing it with the observations from the flypast.
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  1059.  @raventaylor1757  We correct our errors. Putting something in the wrong category would be an error; redefinjng categories is not.
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  1060.  @raventaylor1757  What do you think we do in labs? Scientific theories are well-substantiated by extensive observation & experiment, not hunches or guesses; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. Categories are not theories in either the scientific or vernacular sense of the word.
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  1061. Waste of money. The idiots would spend a month trying to find the wires holding them up or, worse, try to prise open air locks because they think they’re in a studio.
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  1062.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t produced any evidence to support any of that.
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  1063.  @KangenAlec  Why doesn’t the sun illuminate the whole Earth since it is visible to the whole Earth?
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  1064.  @Globeisahoax  "cool story bro. Need proof" There's this concept called measurement but it does seem totally beyond FE'ers...
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  1065.  @stargost2338  It's more from the centrifugal force of the planet's rotation than the sun's gravity. Folks like this guy aren't interested in knowledge, just in being different.
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  1066.  @Globeisahoax  For the zillionth time, the sun is measurably distant and south =/= down on a globe. That you are just too thick to comprehend the effect of an axial tilt doesn’t disprove it.
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  1067. Tyson continued by stating how small the distortion was, ie, too little to be apparent to the eye.
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  1068.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence….
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  1069.  @KangenAlec  Because they are gullible fools who want to feel special.
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  1070. Magellan was the first to do it. Numerous flights have been done in recent decades, both equatorial and circumpolar. You can catch a series of flights so you can effectively do the same.
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  1071.  @Globeishoaxx  The Gleason projection is a globe map. Try reading the subtitle or is that too difficult for you?
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  1072. Jubilee's editing.
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  1073. You think se should trust someone because they are “independent” rather than query the claims they make and ask for their reasoning and evidence for their conclusions?
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  1074.  @Globehoax  How can a completely undetectable object block anything?
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  1075. I think he was trying to say that Ali bought his PhD rather than worked for it; it seems to be a widespread belief among FE’ers.
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  1076. That’s editing to temove the one way flow of evidence. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses.
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  1077.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top or bottom.
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  1078. Been done and the FE’ers refused to accept the results.
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  1079.  @paulgilton9590  He’s a dedicated fool.
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  1080.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  1081.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence or answers then?
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  1082. You need to supply the compelling evidence for ESP.
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  1083.  @whitegotham  What stops you from recording data?
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  1084.  @KangenAlec  Straight line as in no deviation left or right.
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  1085.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, all personally verifiable.
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  1086. Have you ever thought to check what people are telling you? Blue Marble 2 (aka Blue Marble 2012) is a composite; Blue Marble was shot in a single frame on film in 1972 decades before Photoshop existed. Currently Himawari-8, EPIC and Elektro-L are collectively taking several single-frame shots per hour, all immediately viewable. How many shots need to be taken to qualify a shot having been taken? When most of the video has been edited out you can't claim somebody didn't say something; that lies with the producers who edited the film, not anybody speaking in the video. Because how far you can see is dependent on curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction not curvature alone. If you want to calculate how much of something you should see then you need to use the correct maths, which is not 8"/mile^2. See Walter Bislins' curvature calculator if you want an idea of the maths involved. FE claim are readily disproved.
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  1087. Level has multiple meanings; look up the different definitions inna comprehensive dictionary. In this context it means at gravitational equipotential.
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  1088.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on you to provide any evidence of a dome.
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  1089. Many of them are like that: insist they have the conclusive evidence, want people to know it but never say what it is.
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  1090.  @KangenAlec  You aren’t educated in FE otherwise you’d be able to answer basic questions.
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  1091. They proved the Earth was flat or they assumed it was flat? There’s a big difference. If the former then why can’t FE’ers actually produce this proof instead of claiming it exists? Nobody has yet produced a plausible explanation for a globe conspiracy. What are you saying it is? Who benefits and how? Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; all readily testable.
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  1092.  @prababkrsnan162  That's the gibberish used by people who have no clue about science but want to feel that they are well informed.
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  1093. It's 3D object; you aren't going to see front AND back from the same angle. Look up Himawari-8, Elektro-L & EPIC.
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  1094.  @phoenixfront  There’s scepticism and there’s cynicism. Starting from the assumption that everything is a lie until demonstrated otherwise is not scepticism.
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  1095.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: axial tilt is 23.4 degrees.
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  1096.  @KangenAlec  Why does the sun move as expected from a globe but not from a FE?
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  1097.  @KangenAlec  Once again.... motion of the sun, horizons, two celestials poles, angle to Polaris.....
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  1098. FE’ers are keen on cherry picking & selective interpretation.
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  1099. The shape of the Earth is a fact not a theory; it’s measured to the cubic metre. FE can be readily disproved; any doubt about the exact shape of Earth will not magically undisprove it.
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  1100.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe; it specifically states that. How clearly does it need to be spelt out?
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  1101.  @KangenAlec  Enoch was not included when the Bible was first assembled, centuries before the Vatican existed.
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  1102. ​ @jenarcana  Density is mass per volume; weight is the action of gravity on mass. In a constant gravitational field all objects fall at the same rate in a vacuum. When there is an atmosphere there is resistance directly related to the area interacting with the atmosphere; the resistance is buoyant force, the strength of that force being directly related to gravity. While the interacting area is dependent on the object's shape & orientation, the object's density also affects how much surface area is interacting with the atmosphere. A polystyrene ball can have the same mass as ball bearing but will meet more resistance as it passes through the atmosphere. You and a mouse have similar densities but the mouse has a greater ratio of surface area to volume than you; if both of you jumped down a mine shaft the mouse would be sufficiently slowed to be able to walk away at the bottom. Most objects have sufficiently high density that the difference is negligible. However if an object is less dense than the medium it is passing through then the buoyant force will be greater than gravity and it will rise, since the medium is also being pulled downwards. Weight is the action of gravity on mass and the two are directly proportional. You have considerably more mass than a gnat and and hence weigh considerably more. The gnat only has to lift its own weight, not yours. The assertion you are repeating assumes that a constant gravitational field means everything has the same weight, something that is obviously not true. Gravity was demonstrated to exist by the Cavendish experiment, reproduced countless times with similar results, that measured the horizontal attraction between masses. The subsequent Schiehallion experiment used a similar approach. Gravitational waves are changes in the distortion of space-time brought about by the motion & interaction of two very large masses (exactly how is beyond my knowledge of the subject); they were demonstrated to exist 5 years ago. That density exists is obvious; it is the ratio of mass to volume. There is no evidence that it act as a force. According to Dubay's principle, a phone lying flat in your hand is pressed against your hand by the difference in density of hand & air. This predicts that when you turn your hand over the phone will continue to be pressed against your hand but instead it falls down at 9.8m/s^2. It predicts that placing it flat against a wall leads to the phone being held there but instead it falls down at 9.8m/s^2. It predicts that if you let go of your phone in mid-air then the equal density of the air surrounding it means your phone will just float but instead it falls down at 9.8m/s^2. Predictions are important in science; whether an idea makes correct predictions is indicative of its accuracy. Dubay's density does not work which is why he never talks about such experiments. NASA was established in 1958 AD; the ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere around 500BC using reasoning and the methods I described earlier. Still waiting on any explanation for how NASA managed to influence them. No explanation has ever been provided as to how governments manage to control all information, apparently controlling all correspondence & speech and manipulating shadows & stars, nor has any explanation been forthcoming as to how & why nearly 200 different countries have collaborated so faultlessly and completely for over 2 millenia, even through two world wars. As I said, they are invoked as bogeymen by people who are trying to dodge providing explanations. The education you have received may only have been while is school; that does not mean school is the be all and end all of information. Most people have not been taught beyond school nor had any hand in increasing the information humans have; FE'ers rely on that to persuade you that schools are the only source of information (except, for reasons always unexplained, Youtube). While governments set the syllabus for state schools (and only schools), they do not determine who can know what generally. Many of us work in advancing knowledge which means hands on experimentation & verification, not sitting in classrooms.
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  1103. ​ @jenarcana  The stars have two celestial poles which is not explained in FE models; they insist there is only one. The stars visible each night change over the course of the year; unexplained by FE'ers. They do not explain the midnight sun in the Antarctic Circle; they simply deny it occurs but can't even explain why the days don't get shorter in the southern summer. If Earth was flat then Polaris would be visible from all the Earth but it isn't from below the equator. The angle to Polaris would enable us to triangulate it's altitude above a FE but it can be done; it would range from infinitely above to infinitely below, not a set position. In actuality the angle to Polaris matches the latitude of the observer as would be expected from a sphere. The sun rises & sets and maintains a constant angular diameter & angular velocity. According to FE models it shouldn't come within 15-20 degrees of the horizon and the angular velocity & diameter change through the day with the sun shrinking away to at most about a quarter of its size. No explanation has been forthcoming as to how it appears to rise & set or any explanation why time & position are so predictable when it is a illusion. A spotlight sun would also change in shape throug hthe course of the day, being oval most of the time. No explanation has been provided for why the sun would illuminate such a warped area of the FE and certainly no explanation why the warped area would just happen to match that expected for a sphere. No explanation is ever provided for how the FE sun remains floating, move in circles, how the that course changes through the year or how it is powered. I'm needed elsewhere so the rest will have to wait.
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  1104.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained the direct flights between the southern continents. What's the delay?
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  1105.  @KangenAlec  What is the point if a map that is wholly inaccurate?
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  1106. Its been heavily edited, hence the abrupt cuts, to make you think that.
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  1107. You realise that walls have flat surfaces?
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  1108.  @KangenAlec  If you’re educated in FE then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  1109. You need to explain how you think They control the motion of the sun, moon & stars.
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  1110. 3.5hrs in total apparently. Jubilee wanted a balanced argument to fit with their “middle ground” basis so they cut out the one way flow of evidence.
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  1111.  @Globeisahoax  When down is towards the centre of the Earth then there is no “bottom”. What do you have difficulty grasping the concept? Still waiting on your answer on what magnification & camera resolution that would require.
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  1112.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence.
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  1113.  @Globeisahoax  Yes, we know you don’t listen but do you really want to shout about it?
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  1114. So practically all of us then?
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  1115. How exactly?
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  1116.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: the tilt of the Earth's axis and the relative position of sun, Earth & moon.
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  1117.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who steadfastly ignores everything put in front of him and is incapable of producing any of the evidence he claims to possess.
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  1118. FE’ets have never been able to produce their “deeper arguments” while the shape of the globe has been measured to the cubic metre. Jubilee went snip, snip to maintain an illusion if there being a middle ground.
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  1119.  @johnwhite-qo3wg  NASA has nothing to do with it. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows. Geographic globes appeared in the 17th century. The Earths surface was mapped in the 19th century; the distances conform only to a sphere. We are still be waiting on FE’ers to refute any of it.
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  1120.  @johnwhite-qo3wg  NASA has nothing to do with it. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows. Geographic globes appeared in the 17th century. The Earths surface was mapped in the 19th century; the distances conform only to a sphere. We are still be waiting on FE’ers to refute any of it.
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  1121.  @johnwhite-qo3wg  Any discussion like the above is a one way flow of evidence and anything FE'ers put up is readily refuted.
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  1122. Constantine initiated the compilation of the Bible and some books were left out (Apochrypha), not removed. There have been multiple translations (not serial) over time but the script remains unchanged.
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  1123. Earthrise in 1968, Blue Marble 1973. Currently EPIC, Himawari-8 & ELektro-L are collectively taking several such pictures per hour. It doesn't shut anybody up.
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  1124.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification & resolution would be required. You’ve had it explained to you umpteen times that aerodynamics does not require the plane to keep dipping its nose and that the rail gun fired in an arc with no deviation to the left or right. That you deliberately choose to be a moron does not make you insightful.
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  1125. A FE'er will pop up soon, declare they know the answers, decline to actually provide any and claim to have disproved you just by making that claim.
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  1126. FE’ers ignore elevation & refraction and use the wrong maths.
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  1127.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence?
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  1128.  @KangenAlec  Considerable irony in your comment.
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  1129. What logic?
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  1130.  @KangenAlec  How does a light have craters and shadows?
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  1131.  @AliAhmed-wy6gr  He doesn’t believe telescopes exist.
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  1132. How do you deduce the Apollo craft is made of “construction paper and aluminium foil”? What would you expect a lunar spacecraft to look like?
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  1133.  @Globeisahoax  I was right then - you haven't produced a meaningful answer.
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  1134.  @matlabatt  What does any of that have to do with how scientific research is funded & conducted?
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  1135.  @phildavenport4150  Or unreal...
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  1136. FE in recent history is down to Samuel Rowbotham who went on a religious anti-science bender in the 19th century. Most FE’ets today start waving a Bible as part (or all) of their evidence.
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  1137. Usually that the other planets don’t exist per se, just wandering stars. They think telescopes are rigged to make you see planets where none exist.
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  1138.  @Globeisahoax  Two celestial poles, angles to stars proportional to latitudinal changes, visible constellations changing with latitude - only a globe enables that to happen.
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  1139.  @KangenAlec  You’ve referred to firmament before which indicates you think otherwise.
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  1140. The shape of Earth is not an opinion.
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  1141. Evidence?
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  1142. Phases are due to the how much of the sunlit side of the moon we can see; in a new moon we’re seeing all the unlit side. The Earth’s shadow causes eclipses which sometimes occur at the full moon due the sun, Earth & moon lining up exactly.
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  1143.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude, all personally verifiable. What's the problem you have doing it?
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  1144. Who do you think designs experiments and what their purpose is?
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  1145.  @robertfoertsch  No explanation then.
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  1146. You are aware that scientific study is always an ongoing process? That hypotheses are based & changed on accumulating evidence?
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  1147. What exactly is "general science"?
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  1148.  @KangenAlec  That would be the Dubay who banned me from his channel for asking how density could act as a force? Some many people have listened to him and are convinced that density somehow acts as a force; I keep asking the people who believe it is proved what this proof is. And I've asked and asked and asked and asked and asked and strangely not one of you can answer me despite so many claiming they know the answer. I know that you too think it is proved so I'm asking how you as well: how does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  1149. Air pressure declines with increasing altitude until there is essentially zero air pressure, i.e., the vacuum of space. The system is open, the movement of air by pressure being countered by gravity; the ecosystem is closed (life can't survive in a vacuum) and the two often get confused.
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  1150.  @Globeishoax  You still have provided any evidence for those. What’s causing the delay?
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  1151.  @Globeishoax  While contradicting observable reality?
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  1152.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1153.  @elonmusk7096  Changing story too: these extra lands were within the Arctic Circle a month ago.
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  1154.  @KangenAlec  Produce the evidence that photos are cartoons & CGI.
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  1155. The FE’ers never produce their evidence; it’s just a flow of “I don’t see how”.
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  1156.  @KangenAlec  How is mRNA supposed to corrupt DNA?
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  1157.  @KangenAlec  What generates the EM force in your sun? How does looking at the sun tell you what it is and how it works? How does it make gas molecules fluoresce? How does the light remain a constant intensity while "fading away"? If we're in a sealed dome why aren't we long since baked by the greenhouse effect?
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  1158. As Globe is a Hoax's answers indicate, no they haven't.
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  1159. The globe map covers a 3D surface. Project a 3D surface onto a 2D surface and you automatically get distortion because they are different shape surfaces. It does not mean the original 3D map is distorted.
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  1160.  @Globeisahoax  Then produce one of these maps.
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  1161.  @KangenAlec  And still the lower half of buildings remains hidden.
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  1162.  @waynec2962  Not a lot. Thought stops at the first possibility that occurs or is given to them with no further consideration given to irrelevant questions like “would that work?”.
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  1163. At what point did the scientists not understand science?
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  1164.  @whanethewhip  "And I didn't say 'science' repeatedly" Editing the OP does not change the fact you did use the word science repeatedly. What simple errors do you think the scientists made?
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  1165. All three; they wanted to believe something different so they could hail themselves as bearers of The Truth.
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  1166.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question: whey can’t you see the sun at night?
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  1167.  @leen34568  He’s already convinced by his FE gurus though he is unable to explain anything for himself.
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  1168. He means individuals.
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  1169.  @Globeisahoax  "DOnt worry about flat earth" You mean don't bother asking FE'ers like yourself to produce evidence?
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  1170. No, that's what you think it means. Combining red. green & blue wavelengths gives you full colour, not altered content.
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  1171.  @hannaedwards13  The Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map; only longitudinal distances are in proportion. FE’ers have to produce even a crude map, just wave Gleason’s projection around. On a FE you would be able see for several hundred miles before dust & moisture reduced the view to a haze. None of them have done it.
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  1172. Do you want to produce the evidence for a FE? All we ever get are ill-thought out ideas, ignorance and incredulity, generally from people who claim to be thinkers and questioners but seem incapable of doing either.
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  1173. Nobody is proposing that the Big Bang came from nothing.
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  1174.  @stevepal7314  Irrelevant to furthering science. What do you think we do in labs?
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  1175.  @stevepal7314  Biologically the sex is determine by genetics which is immutable. Surgically the physical appearance can be altered either way. Psychologically & sociologically there is variability in gender; we arent clones.
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  1176. The video has been edited to remove the juicy bits.
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  1177.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist…
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  1178. ?
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  1179.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for what size lens & magnification that would require. What’s the hold up?
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  1180.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on any FE’er to explain how that is supposed to work.
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  1181. It was an insult but I would advise against assuming racism.
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  1182.  @elamiri858  He's implying that Ali's PhD is bought rather than obtained on merit; it's a way of summarily dismissing anything Ali contributes rather than supplying a counter-argument.
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  1183. The ancient Greeks deduce the Earth was a globe circa 500BC from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows, all verifiable by anybody & everybody. A spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic model in 100AD. The world was essentially fully mapped in the 19th century AD. NASA was formed in 1958AD. The concept of a globe did not originate with NASA.
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  1184. That would be The Government that has been manipulating everything since the dawn if time just to fool people? Motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude, lunar exclipses - still waiting on the explanation for how The Government can manipulate observable reality.
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  1185.  @christianhyers9385  But they need to understand the difference between could be lying and must be lying, appreciate how much knowledge there is to be learnt and understood for any subject area. and be prepared to consider the plausibility of long & large conspiracies. He doesn't answer any questions; I've been badgering him for over a year.
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  1186.  @KangenAlec  There isn't a FE map on Instagram; none of you are ever able to provide one.
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  1187.  @KangenAlec  There isn't a FE map on Instagram; none of you are ever able to provide one.
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  1188.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason is a globe projection.
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  1189.  @lukasabcdefg5606  Ive been asking questions of this guy for over a year, mostly the same questions over and over; all he does is complain about being asked at all.
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  1190. I’m sure some like to think they are but they make a totally incompetent job of it.
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  1191.  @shellodee  He doesn’t understand how anything works and can’t explain himself.
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  1192.  @KangenAlec  Your eyes see whatever light reaches them. There’s no magical limit.
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  1193. You mean you could understand her but not the physicist. Too advanced for you?
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  1194.  @KangenAlec  Which still doesn’t answer the question....
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  1195.  @Globeishoax  Yet again doofus: mition of the sun, horizons, angke to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. STILL waiting on the FE explanations from you. Get your head out of your arse and say what they are.
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  1196. Theory of combustion.
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  1197.  @saciabdo9080  The purely longitudinal distances are accurate on an azimuthal projection like Gleason’s but latitudinal distances become increasingly stretched as you move away from the centre. Note the shape of Australia on the Gleason projection. The distortion doesn’t faze FE’ers and they assiduously avoid explaining how direct flights between southern continents are possible.
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  1198. What do you think we do in labs? If a hypothesis was an assumption then we wouldn’t spend our trying to disprove them. Theories are built from the hypotheses that can be disproved. Theses are the culmination of several years testing hypotheses.
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  1199.  @andrewmurphy2133  No, I kept it simple. Earth, Mars & the moon have sequentially weaker gravity. The Earth also benefits from having a strong magnetic field that deflects solar winds, a flow of particles from the sun that would gradually strip an atmosphere much like rivers erode rock. Mars's magnetic field is weak, the moon's non-existent. Consequently the Earth has retained most of its atmosphere, Mars has a much thinner atmosphere than Earth's and the moon has none. While Venus's field is weaker than Earth's it has been sufficient to enable Venus to retain its atmosphere.
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  1200. ​ @andrewmurphy2133  As I said earlier, air pressure declines with increasing altitude until it becomes a vacuum; there is no point where there is an abrupt drop in pressure. A vacuum doesn't suck; pressure means air molecules will expand into it. Atmosphere is slowly lost but would require longer than the lifetime of the sun to drop significantly. The Voyager probes are currently leaving the solar system and have yet to encounter a dome.
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  1201.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; all indicate the Earth is s globe. Sux months on we’re still waiting for your explanation of how all that is compatible with FE. What’s the problem?
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  1202.  @Globeisahoax  So you keep saying but you never explain why observable reality indicates a globe and not a FE? What’s so difficult that you can’t answer?
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  1203.  @Globehoax  You’re avoiding the question again. Why is that?
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  1204. They tend to visualise a 25 mile circumference rather than 25,000.
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  1205.  @KangenAlec  Replying to someone’s comments is not trolling.
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  1206.  @mohdadeeb1829  They generally visualise it as 25-250 miles in circumference.
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  1207. What would make the water fall off a globe?
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  1208.  @marcopiturca788  Their "explanation" is an invisible, undetectable object that magically becomes opaque at just the right time to give the appearance of a lunar eclipse and screw the necessity of matching observed area & times to their "explanation".
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  1209. Gradual coalescence of matter over the course of 100 million years; there's no obligation for it to be instant. There isn't any evidence of a young Earth; "how else is this possible?" is incredulity, not evidence. There are no holes in the theory of evolution and, no, Darein did not try to renounce the theory.
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  1210.  @KangenAlec  You consider measurement to be pseudoscience?
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  1211.  @davedefrost2174  How did the they compensate for refraction, divergence and leveling error and determine the test distance?
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  1212.  @NuriMCBE  He can't answer any questions or explain anything, just incessantly posts "It's flat! It's flat!".
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  1213.  @boterlettersukkel  Most likely; he's been posting continuously for a few months and, despite the repetition, his story has changed over time. If he isn't then he needs a gold star for developing his stupidity.
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  1214.  @ayejay4477  How did it achieve CGI before CGI existed?
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  1215. ?
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  1216. "If they can’t know anything for certain then they can be wrong about everything they claim to know" Extremely unlikely and the onus is on you need to provide evidence they is wrong. "Could be = just gotta be" is not a valid argument.
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  1217.  @KangenAlec  Then why do you ignore the truth?
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  1218.  @KangenAlec  If it follows scientific principles then it is scientific. When FE’ers ignore variables, use the wrong maths and think they can deal with both by ignoring them then it is pseudoscience.
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  1219.  @KangenAlec  Still no explanation from FE’ers for theCavendish experiment.
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  1220. I’ve been asking them how the FE sun rises & sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon or how it maintains a constant angular velocity & diameter through the day for every observer.
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  1221.  @jbignJesus  Explain how this mind control is supposed to work?
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  1222. "how does water stick to a spinning globe" By the Earth's gravity being stronger then the centrifugal force. Even at the equator where the centrifugal force will be the strongest, it's about 0.5% that of gravity. "There is no conclusive evidence for me" Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles are all observable. We also have maps then able intercontinental flights without anybody getting lost. (If only they worked with luggage...)
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  1223.  @rogerlane474  That's a hypothesis, not a theory. "They're all continually changing" Hypotheses, not theories.
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  1224.  @rogerlane474  That nothing can be measured with total exactitude does not mean anything is immeasurable. The only people who claim masks should have the same efficacy as biosuits are the denialists. Why do so many Americans believe NASA is the only space agency?
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  1225.  @KangenAlec  You believe the fakery exists therefore...
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  1226.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your explanation for how the ISS could be faked with a balloon.
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  1227.  @Walterthefriendly  You can reach the point where doubt about a scientific theory is unreasonable; when you have to fall back on the possibility of an undetectable omnipotent entity manipulating reality to fool you it means you can't think of any rational reason why the theory could be wrong. There have been over 500 astronauts who observed Earth from orbit (some even further away); are you arguing there is no evidence of direct observation unless you personally have observed it? If so, what is special about you? You can't observe radio waves directly yet you have no qualms about their existence. You buy tinned food without disbelief about the contents. You will be in little doubt that you have a brain even though you have never seen it. The shape of the Earth can and has been observed indirectly; there is no reasonable doubt about its shape.
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  1228.  @siddharthnandi3995  He doesn’t answer questions Orr seems, just interjects claims.
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  1229. Yes but they insist the signal comes from cell towers, even in the the middle of oceans.
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  1230.  @Globeisahoax  Really? You can’t produce any evidence at all to back FE but are quite convinced it is flat.
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  1231.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence...
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  1232.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t said what you’ve dine to measure the distance to the sun or explained how it maintains a constant angular velocity & diameter. You’re supposed to be the msn with the answers so why a year long silence?
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  1233. We're talking about a measurable, observable shape, not an explanation for a phenomenon. The idea that it could be a huge mistake is not plausible. That you don't know or understand the evidence for the age of the universe etc does not cast doubt on that evidence and the conclusions from it nor is it indicative that the evidence doesn't exist. Ignorance is not knowledge. Nobody is banned from Antarctica. There is no hidden clause in the Antarctica Treaty banning people.
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  1234. ​ @zachariah1990  We have done the research; here's nothing stopping you going to Antarctica on your own. That it is easier to go with a tour operator (they have the equipment and know-how to get from place to place) does not mean you can;t go on your own. You're conflating scientific hypothesis and theory. Scientific theories are well-substantiated and rarely wrong. Hypotheses have different degrees of substantiation (science is always ongoing) and are more likely to be wrong. Evidence is always accumulating (science is always ongoing); that evidence is eventually found that disproves an existing hypothesis does not mean it was always known - science is always ongoing.
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  1235.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained why the observable motion of the sun differs from FE.
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  1236. Explain a how single frame shots on an analogue camera were edited?
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  1237.  @unoriginal_name4576  Lack of evidence of such.
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  1238.  @KangenAlec  How do you think they were controlling the ancient Greeks? How do you think they control shadows?
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  1239. EPIC, Elektro-L & Himawari-8 collectively take several pictures per hour, all readily accessible. It doesn’t satisfy them for reasons they can’t say.
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  1240.  @warmachineuk  A very misshapen area rather than a circle though (unsurprisingly) none can explain how.
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  1241.  @eddy2fast260  Russell’s teapot. The onus is on you to provide evidence of something’s existence.
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  1242. Explain the lunar rocks verified by geologists the world round.
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  1243. The video has been heavily edited, hence the abrupt cuts. You cant criticise the scientists for what is missing in the final video.
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  1244.  @samar5846  How many people do you get to see outside social media?
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  1245. Blame Jubilee - the video has been heavily edited to make it balanced. A one-way flow of evidence doesn’t fit with a middle-ground concept.
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  1246.  @KangenAlec  How did they achieve a vacuum in a studio?
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  1247.  @jarvasjames3149  The Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe projected into a flat surface and thus grossly distorted. It aims for all North-South distances to be evenly proportioned but inevitably creates distortion elsewhere, particularly the further south you go. FE’ers think flights make stopovers that you don’t notice and that it doesn’t matter whether you can see land or sea below you.
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  1248. Gyroscopes & Foucault pendulum demonstrate the Earth is rotating; stellar parallax indicates it is moving through space as it orbits the sun. How many times by how many people does it need to be done to satisfy that it has been done? Geodesics has the shape of the spherical Earth measured down the square meter; how many times by how many people do the measurements needs to be taken to satisfy that they have been taken? No scientific experiments have demonstrated the Earth is motionless (no, Micahelson-MOrley, Airy & SAgnac did not demonstrate lack of motion) and all experiments to measure curvature that took into account all factors failed to find curvature (no, you can't ignore interfering factors).
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  1249. FE’ers seem to visualise the Earth as far smaller than in actuality and assume a plane would readily get high enough to view & photograph a distinctly curved horizon.
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  1250. Science is evidence-based, not a religion.
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  1251. They managed to raise enough money to buy a laser gyroscope (and found the Earth rotated) so presumably they could do it if they wished.
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  1252.  @KangenAlec  Show the relevant clause in the Antarctic Treaty.
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  1253.  @KangenAlec  Produce a picture of this Antarctic wall. If you're going to argue produce a picture of the Antarctic coastline explain how people cross over the edge without falling off. "cause you are going in circe" How do you fly in a curve and remain in level flight simultaneously?
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  1254.  @Globeisahoax  Telescopes.
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  1255. The video was heavily edited, hence the abrupt cut-offs.
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  1256. A law is simply a description of an effect, e.g., V=IR, and says nothing of how & why it is so. A theory is the explanation for why that effect should be so, is well substantiated by evidence and is regarded as the highest you can reach in science.
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  1257.  @Globehoax  No explanation in that pdf how direct flights between southern continents are possible on a FE. Why is that?
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  1258.  @Globehoax  None of which actually explain how a FE works. If you are so well versed then why have you been unable to answer any questions in three years?
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  1259.  @Globeishoax  Asking questions of someone who professes to have the answers is not harassment. The inability of FE’ers to explain anything is not evidence you can explain everything.
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  1260. Why Big Pharma be paying scientists who have nothing to do with biology? Why withdrew they bother paying anyone who wasn’t involved with drug use & development?
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  1261. It would be cheaper to send them to Antarctica to see the summer 24hr day.
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  1262. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can make a video regardless of how much they actually know about a subject. In science you have to put up the evidence and methodology for a conclusion; you can’t just say something and it’s accepted as true.
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  1263. Nope.
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  1264.  @jewscontrolyou9730  Why would he take money from people if he was supposed to be paying them?
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  1265.  @jewscontrolyou9730  Which doesn’t answer my question.
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  1266. They don’t.
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  1267.  @KangenAlec  What keeps the FE sun up?
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  1268.  @KangenAlec  Unless you can come up with any evidence rather than ignorance and conjecture then it is a belief. You seem quite convinced an ice wall and dome exist but can supply no evidence of either.
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  1269. There aren’t any FE’er scientists.
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  1270.  @Globeisahoax  The guy who won’t listen to facts like the sun rising & setting is demanding facts from people?
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  1271. Not from the altitude she would jump at; the size of the Earth meabs about 1 degree per 69 miles.
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  1272.  @Globeisahoaxx  You almost made a mental connection….
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  1273.  @KmcGaming  They have little or no grasp of scale. They assume a globe means they would see curvature similar to a few miles circumference.
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  1274. What do you think was wrong with the vaccines?
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  1275.  @KangenAlec  Ancient Greeks 500BC, Ptolemy 100AD.
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  1276.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence. You’ve had over 2 years and still nothing from you.
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  1277. You don't have to observe something directly to be aware it exists. We can deduce the Earth's shape through the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and producing accurate maps. You can get on a plane on one continent and fly direct to airport on another continent, a feat which requires accurate maps.
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  1278.  @Globeisahoaxx  Not until you provide your evidence. What’s taking you so long?
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  1279.  @KangenAlec  Yet in four months you haven’t been able to provide any evidence to back your claim.
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  1280.  @KangenAlec  When you can’t produce any evidence or answer any questions then it is a belief.
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  1281.  @KangenAlec  There’s this concept called measurement...
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  1282.  @KangenAlec  A few days ago you were saying there was no end of the world. Can't make your mind up?
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  1283.  @KangenAlec  So where's your evidence?
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  1284.  @KangenAlec  If you’ve studied it then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  1285.  @KangenAlec  What’s your definition of pseudoscience?
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  1286. It’s not as if space exploration is limited to NASA.
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  1287. Cue FE’ers claiming helium balloons fall upwards....
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  1288. Scale. The areas that have a piece of flat terrain are minuscule compared to the overall curvature. You would when the hole collapsed on you but assuming it remained stable (and you aren’t fried by the heat) then gravity would appear to diminish the further down you travelled.
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  1289.  @Globeisahoax  I’ve asked FE’ers countless times to explain how the sun rises & sets in a FE; still waiting on an explanation from any of you. You profess to be in the know so why don’t you answer?
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  1290.  @marycauffield2508  Quite the opposite; we can trace the development of the genes that underlies evolution. What do you think disinformation DNA is exactly?
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  1291. He rarely responds to anybody.
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  1292.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a ball and no camera with a magnification large enough.
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  1293. Long distance travel & trade require accurate maps fir navigation for which we need accurate measurements of the Earth’s shape.
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  1294. Brick by brick. I think there are three possibilities that have been put forward for the actual organisation.
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  1295.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  He is demonstrating that he is misled rather than educated 😊
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  1296.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus - motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. I’ve given you the evidence countless times and yet it never sticks in your head.
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  1297.  @KangenAlec  And yet you can’t explain anything despite claiming profound enlightenment.
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  1298.  @davorsedmak8763  It’s a globe map.
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  1299.  @arashairshiraz1046  You want to know why you don’t see the effect of mass when the mass is absent?
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  1300.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes exist, I see.
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  1301.  @KangenAlec  Which still doesn’t answer the question.
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  1302.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why the southern hemisphere has longer days in summertime rather than the shorter ones that you predict. You’ve had a year!
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  1303.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter while shrinking away. Get your finger out and tell us.
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  1304.  @Globeisahoax  You still deny trigonometry then.
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  1305. You can put a stick in the ground and track the motion of the sun throughout the day and the angle to the sun at noon. You can (street lighting permitting) stand outside and watch the stars rotate and the visible constellations change throughout the year. With some travel you can compare observations and determine a shape.
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  1306.  @fullchurchahead6849  Again, two different things. Very few people with knowledge of evolution argue that it is wrong. In dealing with a huge amount of evidence in any science there will be disagreement over the interpretation of individual items. Haggling over individual items should not be confused with arguing about a theory's veracity.
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  1307.  @fullchurchahead6849  No, it’s not a big deal; that is how science works. Every little fact is quibbled over trying to determine exactly as possible how it fits in, eg, dating exactly as possible. That there is a progression of species through time is not doubted.
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  1308.  @fullchurchahead6849  "require you to go in the past to test your hypothesis" Paleontology and genetics. "Some scientists say we all have a common ancestor" You're confusing two things. Mitochondrial genetics indicates a limited number of common ancestors. They were not the sole humans (or human predecessors) in their time, just that their progeny have become by far the most numerous. Biblical analogy would be Jacob being the super-great-grandfather of every Israelite. "baraminology" Is creationism, not science. "I don't think it's helpful for you to act like branch evolution is a fact" Genetics. It's possible to look at similarities & differences in gene sequences between species and see where and to some extent when branching has occurred. "two scientists can look at the same data dealing with this topic" As I have already said twice, there is haggling in any particular point as to how it all fits together. That does not invalidate the broad conclusions, much as you would like it to. "it cannot be observed or duplicated in a scientific method fashion." As I have already said, some branches of science are reliant on observation rather than direct experimentation. In this case it means multiple branches of science determining timing & changes retrospectively. Claiming it has to be done through experimentation is simply a cop out.
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  1309.  @fullchurchahead6849  People like Marcus Ross make selective observations & interpretations to fit their religious beliefs; they don't make objective analyses. Their approach is not a valid one for determining what is true. I'm getting tired of saying this: you are conflating minor discussion of individual data with scientific consensus. That evolution exists is well accepted. Discussion of individual pieces of data doe snot alter that consensus. Reread what I wrote about insulin & photoreceptors and think.
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  1310.  @fullchurchahead6849  When you a 10,000 piece jigsaw sufficiently assembled to be able to distinguish a picture then: A. Where the next piece slots does not alter the picture. B. Not liking the picture does not alter the picture. C. Waving a Bible at it does not alter the picture. Folks like Ross have a predetermined conclusion and are simply demanding that everything be interpreted or ignored to fit the desired picture. It is not the objective analysis that science requires; they are not being scientists when they demand that objective analysis be ignored in favour of religion doctrine. Their approach is not valid; kindly stop waving it around as if it was.
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  1311.  @KangenAlec  What magnification do you think that would require?
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  1312.  @KangenAlec  Why does the sun behave completely differently to what you say it does if your idea is based on observation?
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  1313.  @Globeisahoax  By a traceable signal in orbit and the ISS visibly passing overhead. Try explaining why the OP can’t see the distance predicted by the FE.
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  1314.  @KangenAlec  You have no clue what magnification gaff would require, do you?
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  1315. Yet they can never produce this evidence....
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  1316.  @michaelcraven2554  FE’ers either decline to provide the evidence they claim is the slam-dunk evidence that the world us flat or rely on either selective interpretation of a few facts or simply fail to understand such complexities as more than variable.
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  1317.  @KangenAlec  Hiw does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day? How does it remain close to you while supposedly moving in a circle thousands of miles in diameter?
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  1318. Unfortunately the shape of Earth is not an opinion, an idea or an issue but a simply a fact, one that we deduced 2500 years ago. FE’ers produce only ignorance & incredulity, not any kind of valid argument for it to be a different shape that would fit the existent data. The shape if the Earth is not a subject for this series.
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  1319. FE'er are regarded as the epitome of willfully ignorant; that the Earth was a globe was settled over 2000 years ago but they steadfastly ignore all the evidence placed before them, even when shown how they can verify the shape for themselves and insist their "model" (all of them) works despite the obvious holes. I'm more interested in persuading people not to jump down the rabbit hole.
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  1320. If they were prepared to do that they could triangulate a distance to their FE sun but that’s too difficult for them.
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  1321. And apparently an impenetrable dome beyond the icewall. The people who refuse to believe anything they haven’t personally seen have never seen either but are quite adamant they exist.
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  1322.  @knorkenagi  Not that I’m aware of. Jubilee wanted a “balanced” debate and so cut out the one way flow of evidence when trimming to the desired time.
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  1323.  @KangenAlec  How does the FE sun stay up, what makes it move, what makes it change course, what make it emit heat & light? Provide evidence of your ice-barriers.
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  1324. You realise that spheres have a circular cross-section from all angles?
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  1325.  @KangenAlec  You do demonstrate that daily.
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  1326.  @Globeishoax  Says the guy who can’t answer any questions…
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  1327. "How is this possible?!!!" is demonstrating ignorance & incredulity, not insight.
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  1328.  @KangenAlec  was the Apollo-Soyuz linkup genuine?
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  1329.  @KangenAlec  I’ve been asking you what magnification you think that would require. What’s the problem for the “man with the answers”?
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  1330.  @silversurfer4241  We’ve all seen it. Still waiting on the Thinkers to explain why it wasn’t smashed to smithereens by the impact. Do you want to try?
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  1331. Let me guess - a laser just above the frozen surface?
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  1332.  @boterlettersukkel  What impresses me is seeing along the full length of a crescent shaped lake.
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  1333.  @KangenAlec  Why is it invisible except when it causes lunar eclipses?
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  1334. To be precise he gave an interview two weeks after he died. Folks who believe the Apollo missions are faked have no trouble believing the interview to be genuine.
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  1335. Because her misconception woukd have been shown to be a misconception.
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  1336.  @Globeisahoaxx  Why do so many of you claim to have the answer to your question despite nobody having been to look?
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  1337.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  1338.  @KangenAlec  You can’t handle the concept of a million so I doubt a billion will be within your comprehension.
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  1339.  @Globeisahoax  Proof that any sane person would accept? Yes.
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  1340.  @Globehoax  This would be the They that you think are responsible for disinformation?
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  1341.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  1342.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  1343.  @Globeisahoax  You would be far more convincing if you could explain how your fantasy FE is compatible with observable reality. Why not try doing it?
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  1344. Either failed to pay attention or even the simplest concepts go over their heads.
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  1345. Copernicus first suggested that a heliocentric system would be simpler than the accepted geocentric, requiring fewer pericycle corrections. (He assumed orbits would be circular rather than elliptical, something later corrected by Kepler.) About 70 years (?) on, Galileo used the newly invented telescope to look at planets and observed they had moons; not everything orbited around Earth. In the intervening period the Church had become stricter about heresy and saw anything that undermined their authority as "heretical", which included them not being at the centre of the universe. Galileo essentially spent the rest of his life under house arrest (still looking through telescopes) rather than jail.
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  1346.  @KangenAlec  You’ve never explained why smashing into the dome didn’t cause the camera to even tremble. How difficult is it for you to produce the answers you claim to know?
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  1347.  @Globeishoaxx  The ones anybody cansee thriugh a telescope and you still haven’t said how you determined the sun to be small & local.
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  1348. The original recording was 3.5hrs. Jubilee trimmed it to remove the one way flow of evidence from the scientists so the discussion would appear balanced. What do you think we do in labs?
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  1349.  @KangenAlec  If you have no proof or explanation for how a FE would work then what makes you certain it is flat?
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  1350. 0.5 > 100?
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  1351.  @Globeisahoax  Why not try your 200 mile inland Antarctic ice wall and the edge of the FE? None of you seem keen to try it; why not?
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  1352.  @themotivator373  Sorry, got distracted. I've edited the comment.
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  1353. The US government does not run the world nor does it tell scientists in the US what answers to arrive at.
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  1354. What do you think we do in labs? You think that the sun rising & setting is just something that is taught?
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  1355. What magnification & resolution camera do you think is necessary for that? Why won’t you answer the question?
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  1356.  @Sakura-dk1ru  Circular reasoning; he think the Earth is flat because NASA fakes everything and he knows NASA fakes everything because the Earth is flat. He can’t actually produce any evidence for either.
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  1357. Open-mindedness is the willingness to listen to and consider alternative ideas; it is not an obligation to accept ideas that are wropng merely because they are different.
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  1358. A scientific theory law and theory are two quite different things, not one a progression of the other. A law describes a phenomenon but offers no explanation for why it would be so. A theory is the explanation for how the phenomenon works. A theory is as high as you can get in science. The law of gravity describes the observable attraction between objects dependent on their masses and separating distance. The theory of gravity is why that attraction occurs (space-time curvature).
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  1359.  @aaronspianoandkeyboard3624  FE’ers have great difficulty making a connection between labs and research; they think we spend our careers attending classes.
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  1360. Scientism. In actuality it is the belief that science is valid for determining answers for any & every question, including those that don’t qualify as scientific. It gets used as a dismissive insult against any scientific evidence that challenges how somebody would like to see reality; an insult is easier than arguing back but it is not a valid argument.
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  1361. Professor Dave has been doing that for the last year on one of his videos about flights between Australia & South America. Total arguments to date are nonsequiturs and denial the flights exist.
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  1362.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1363. Most FE'ers appear to be religious, with many quoting verses from the Bible as part of their "evidence". It doesn't intend to portray Christians as pro-FE.
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  1364.  @elilundgreen  Personal observation. It doesn't imply that religious people are likely to be FE'ers, simply that most FE'ers espouse some form of religion. Possibly this is due to spirituality being more popular in the US than the rest of the 1st World and the bulk of FE'ers posting on here appear to be American (few use the metric system).
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  1365.  @elilundgreen  Links won't be accepted here but if you google "yougov most-flat-earthers-consider-themselves-religious" it will connect to an article.
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  1366. Te video has been heavily edited. The only thing FE'ers are consistent on is the belief that the Earth is flat; for any other detail there will be several conflicting explanations all claminig to be the agreed upon explanation. Most refer to stars as little local light that are/aren't embedded inside/outside the dome that does/doesn't exist. Some acknowledge other planets exist, others insist that they are just stars. A few (like your acquaintance) talk about projections be it the stars, moon or both. It's easier to pursue basic principles than play whack-a-mole.
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  1367. It's beyond FE'er comprehension that there can be more than one reason why they can't see the ship. As far as they are concerned the limits of visual acuity is the only reason the ship disappears. They can't explain why the ship would disappear from the hull up (and the sun from the bottom up) or why increasing magnification doesn't bring either back into view once they have passed over the horizon.
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  1368.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence that the sun is small & local. What is taking you so long?
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  1369.  @Globehoax  Yet again, doofus, all those emergency landings are close to the Arctic Circle and all consistent with a globe.
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  1370.  @Globeisahoax  You don’t advise such; you just keep parroting “it’s flat!”. You get asked plenty of questions but never answer, just keep proclaiming you know w answers.
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  1371. Nobody is stopping them. FE’ers were arranging a cruise around Antartica but nothing came of it.
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  1372.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, the Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe, not a functioning flat earth map. Still waiting on one of you to produce the map you all claim tot possess. What's so difficult?
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  1373.  @Globeisahoax  You need telling yet again?
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  1374.  @KangenAlec  Explain how the sun’s observable motion contradicts what you just said.
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  1375.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how phones can be used in the middle of an ocean. Why don’t you answer even simple questions?
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  1376.  @jb-yi4di  I do wonder why Jubilee picked this subject to include in the series.
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  1377.  @courtneycarlisle182  He's a troll that isn't goin tot explain anything and is happy to spout all sorts of unsupported crap.
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  1378.  @Globeisahoax  Asking the obvious questions of you is “spewing nonsense”?
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  1379.  @Globeisahoax  The chap who can't answer any questions is complaining other people aren't answering him?
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  1380. You demonstrate the existence of such continents and explain why navigators haven’t noticed them.
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  1381.  @diszruptiveent3634  Which doesn't answer either question.
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  1382.  @KangenAlec  And yet you are able communicate online.
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  1383.  @Globeisahoax  No answer then? What a surprise…
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  1384.  @BigPiscesEnergy  Explain how mass can act as a force. What gives it direction? What starts the motion? What causes the acceleration? Because the difference in gravity between the two elevations is tiny and the change from one to another is gradual. Explain why you think there should be a substantial change.
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  1385.  @BigPiscesEnergy  How many times in how many ways by how many people does something need to be measured to qualify as having been measured?
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  1386.  @BigPiscesEnergy  Start with the Cavendish experiment, 1798, reproduced countless times since with similar results. Since gravity is a property of mass then any equation with gravity will inevitably contain mass. Neither mass nor density are forces; buoyancy is dependent on the existence of gravity for its vector.
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  1387.  @kc29291  It’s a complication since atmospheric refraction varies, not a paradox. It does not prevent refraction occurring. It does not limit the horizon to the geometric horizon. The angle of elevation is the angle to a visible object relative to a tangential line; it’s not a measure of the observer’s elevation above or below sea-level. Sea-level is nominal distance from the Earth’s centre that is used as the default zero point for elevation above or below the Earth’s surface. You can calculate R with sticks & shadows. You’re living in an age when the Earth’s shape has been measured worldwide.
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  1388.  @KangenAlec  We’re still waiting on FE’ers to produce a working FE map; you won’t find one with Instagram.
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  1389.  @KangenAlec  In other words you can’t explain it, but hey what’s new....
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  1390. They believe that the sun not only magically floats and magically moves in a circle but that it also magically moves inwards & outwards as the year progresses, producing more & less light to the north. They also insist that daytime in southern winter are short and even shorter still in summer since the sun has a wider circuit. None of their greater observers are willing to go south in case they observe that not happening.
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  1391. "haven't proven life can create itself" You evidently miss the point of abiogenesis.
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  1392. What money? I could earn much more in another profession.
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  1393.  @KangenAlec  Evidence of any of that?
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  1394.  @KangenAlec  Evidence the firmament exists?
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  1395. The nearest they have to leaders are those who make money from promoting a FE. Demonstrating otherwise costs them revenue.
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  1396.  @KangenAlec  What restricts the area and why is so misshapen? Easy-peasy question you claim to have the answer to so cough up.
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  1397. Why?
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  1398.  @juliemunro76  I know far more about the eye than most people. I note you haven’t answered my questions. Why does it never occur to FE’ers to try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles? When a plane is trimmed to maintain a constant altitude (air pressure) then why would it need to keep dipping its nose? Why would a plane lose its eastwards momentum when it breaks contact with the ground? When you throw a ball does it stop moving when it breaks contact with your hand?
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  1399. There’s a live external feed from the ISS, SpaceX has external cameras on every launch and several satellites from various countries are taking full hemisphere shots every hour of more. Still not enough to satisfy them.
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  1400. Laser gyroscopes & Foucault pendulum demonstrate rotation.
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  1401. Imagination. Up & down is determined by changes in elevation, not by curvature of the Earth.
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  1402.  @Globeisahoax  Kansas lacks variation in elevation not curvature, though I know the difference is beyond your comprehension.
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  1403.  @tegmay4155  He never answers any questions, just professes to have them.
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  1404.  @KangenAlec  You have yet to provide any evidence of fakery, nicely supporting Yves' comment.
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  1405.  @flatearthisahoax4030  And that he’s working for a cartel.
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  1406. They seem to think the human eye can’t see beyond a set physical distance for no reason they can explain other handwaving references to visual acuity.
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  1407.  @Globeishoaxx  How so? If you’ve got it figured why can you never explain?
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  1408. Tyson also specified how tiny the deviation from a perfect sphere was but folks like have such problems comprehending numbers. What do you think we do in labs?
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  1409.  @meias.  Your suggestion makes sense compared to 1. to fool you 2. to hide God 3. to take economic advantage of inaccessible lands 4. to achieve total mind control
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  1410.  @-redranger-  He hasn’t tried educating anybody in the years he has been posting, just keeps spouting the same “unanswered questions” despite being given the answers. Jeran is playing pranks on the gullible. “The Greatest Lie on Earth” is a conspiracy theory for the gullible.
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  1411.  @KangenAlec  WHo's orders are the Government following and which government exactly? How do they hide the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles?
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  1412. They don’t, just deny them.
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  1413. And yet both rotation and sphericity are measurable. Why would that be trumped by denial?
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  1414.  @tbrown3356  WGS84
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  1415.  @tbrown3356  "Geodesy journals are not using the scientific method" Measurements are an inherent part of science; science papers concern developing alternative methods, increasing accuracy of the methods and compiling the accumulated data.
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  1416.  @tbrown3356  Depends which branch of science you are taking about; experimentation is necessary where possible. It is no mandatory. Astrophysicists can't experiment on stars so are limited to observation, hypothesis & prediction in an iterative cycle. Geodesics can experiment with methodologies for measuring 3D shapes, their accuracy and how to compile the accumulating data. There's no stationary plane in the WGS84 model; you're making the usual FE'er mistake of mentally adding one. There is nothing equidistant in satellite orbits; it's another typical FE'er mistake of assuming all orbits use one fixed elevation.
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  1417.  @_kline9571  Sex is determined by biology, gender by psychology & sociology.
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  1418.  @KangenAlec  An electromagnetic field is not impermeable; a torus field would have two sizeable holes in it too. Which way do you want it?
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  1419.  @pragma2017  "can you provide one piece of evidence to support your claims?" Like most FE he doesn't even try. Liek all he can;t answer any questions. The ones that do try simply make fundamental errors & assumptions.
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  1420.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  Start a GoFundMe to back a FE Transatlantic Yacht Race?
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  1421. If you’re so woken they explain how the FE sun maintains a constant angular velocity & diameter and rises & sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon.
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  1422.  @KangenAlec  Still no explanation from you why it would light a limited misshapen area. What’s the problem?
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  1423. Explaining how you arrive at a conclusion does not mean you started with a conclusion. Dismissing facts that disagree with your conclusion is starting with a conclusion. Do any of you have a basic grasp of logic?
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  1424.  @KangenAlec  500 years ago was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system; the geocentric system has always based upon a spherical Earth, something that was deduced 2500 years ago. No amount of bluster on your part is going to change that.
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  1425.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead; what magnification and camera resolution do you think that requires?
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  1426. Motion if the sun, hirizins, angle to Polarus matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles, observable by anyone & everyone, indicative of a globe, disproves a FE and still unexplained by FE’ers.
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  1427. They don’t have a plausible explanation, just claims of a mysterious undetectable body that spontaneously turns opaque at just the right time to fool everybody.
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  1428.  @CSIGrissom Putting men in the moon was a Cold War propaganda coup by the US which had been running second to the Soviet Union throughout the space race. It was very expensive with relatively little return. More could be done with less money by using unmanned probes. There is no glory in being second to put men in the moon. Unless there is something substantial to be gained, eg they went with the capacity to build a permanent lunar base, it would be a waste of money. Nobody has been willing to waste the money. It’s not part of a worldwide coverup or an admission it’s all impossible; it would just be a waste of money.
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  1429.  @KangenAlec  When the body is insensitive to motion you aren’t going to feel motion. One revolution per day is not going to make the dizzy. If there is nothing blocking the light then the light will reach your eyes.
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  1430.  @KangenAlec  How are people supposed to get to these other lands when you claim there is an insurmountable ice wall and impenetrable dome stopping them?
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  1431. How do you know they are both wrong?
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  1432.  @Ytheone  Why would you need to go to space? Do you understand the concept of measurement?
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  1433. How do they prove it exactly?
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  1434.  @KangenAlec  Cavendish experiment demonstrated existed. No FE’er explanation ever provided.
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  1435. The video has been heavily edited. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth’s shape from the motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles, none of which the FE’ers can explain.
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  1436.  @JuggaloNY  They have a consensus that they have a consensus; in practice they disagree on what that consensus is. Each seems convinced that their version is the consensus answer and that other FE'ers are in agreement with them but that answer varies from FE'er to FE'er. Half the discussion with each FE'ers is figuring out what that individual thinks the consensus is.
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  1437.  @KangenAlec  Explain how that works exactly.
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  1438.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t explain anything. How does the FE sun illuminate only a select misshapen area. You claim to be well educated in FE do answer the question.
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  1439.  @syamnakmuay89  My religious proclivities are not going to alter my senses or the abilities of the various instruments I use.
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  1440. The Earth was deduced to be a sphere around 500BC.
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  1441. Sex is biological, , gender is psychological.
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  1442. Theory of combustion still applies.
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  1443. Like Kangen demonstrates, FE’ers can’t provide an answer.
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  1444. It’s not a matter of belief but of fact; it’s a fact that the Earth is spheroid.
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  1445.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map and is too distorted for navigation.
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  1446. Thru have no concept of scale, tending to visualise a 25 mile circumference.
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  1447.  @KangenAlec  Asking for evidence is not trolling; you're making the claims, you need to produce the evidence.
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  1448.  @sophiashekinah9872  Their thinking tends to be very superficial ie, intutive rather than contemplative; they hit on light “tiring out” as the solution and they don’t think it through.
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  1449. How do you know if and when somebody is being paid to do that?
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  1450.  @matlabatt  I haven't had a course for over 30 years. What do you think we do exactly? What do you think we have labs for?
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  1451.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1452.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to provide a plausible motive for the expensive outlay.
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  1453. They are. How many unvaccinated people need to develop myocarditis for you to be satisfied that unvaccinated people have myocarditis?
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  1454. Quite literally a perfect airless sphere - no variation in elevation, no atmosphere to cause refraction. A few feet elevation above sea-level makes a difference and the refraction over the water more so.
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  1455.  @Globeisahoax  It's only FE'ers who say Australia is at the bottom. The distance to the sun is measurable. Still waiting on your evidence that the sun is close. Stop faffing around and produce it.
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  1456.  @Globehoax  You’re doing an abysmal job; two years posting and still no evidence.
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  1457.  @KangenAlec  Do you know the word competition?
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  1458.  @KangenAlec  How can the sun reach a vanishing point without changing in angular diameter? How can it be 0.5 degrees and <0.01 degrees simultaneously?
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  1459. That it’s mapped, measured and routinely photographed isn’t conclusive in your opinion? That gravity exists is demonstrable; see Cavendish and Scheihallion experiments.
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  1460. Salvador Cota Earthrise & Blue Marble taken during the Apollo missions. Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC currently taking single-frame full-Hemisphere shits per hour, all immediately available online. Catch up.
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  1461.  @KangenAlec  You still don’t know the difference between 25 miles and 25,000 miles?
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  1462. Says the troll who can’t answer any questions.
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  1463. The physical shape of Earth is not a matter of opinion.
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  1464. Astronomers.
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  1465.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't said what magnification & camera resolution that would require.....
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  1466.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day, something thag would be particularly marked with a sun only 50 miles up.
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  1467.  @joshuaseabrook9835  Water will behave according to whatever forces are acting on it. There's no magic number at which it begins to bend; as a fluid it is completely flexible. It does not have innate properties to form into a flat surface as some kind of default. When you're looking over a curved surface at the sun setting behind the horizon and said surface is the sea then it is reasonable to conclude that the sea curves. If you think not then explain how the sun sets into the sea and why nobody at sea has ever witnessed that.
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  1468.  @joshuaseabrook9835  It bends continuously but the distance across the container (even a swimming pool) is to small to see. You will find a meniscus at the edges.
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  1469.  @sir.spider  They best they can come up with is a picture of the ice-shelf at the edge of Antarctica; it's vertical and it's ice therefore it just gotta be the unscalable ice-wall 200 miles inland.
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  1470. Using the globe model people know the exact path and time to observe a full eclipse. The Saros cycle can only calculate a probability of an eclipse.
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  1471.  @KangenAlec  Because the FE model predicts no lunar eclipses will occur. How difficult is it for a Thinker to figure that out?
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  1472. Unfortunately she meant isolate gravity as in a test tube full of the stuff.
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  1473.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on any FE'er to explain how the Cavendish experiment works without gravity.
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  1474.  @gyalsnextman4725  ?
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  1475.  @KangenAlec  Only if they have yet to reach the horizon. No FE’ers has managed to zoom the set sun back into view.
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  1476. Claims have been that density is a force but not a force, electrostatic attraction regardless of charge, magnetism regardless of material, spontaneous motion, droppity (things drop) and just does.
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  1477.  @KangenAlec  Do you understand the difference between 25 and 25,000?
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  1478.  @Globehoax  Such as observing the sun rise & set and denying it occurs? Or refusing to acknowledge the existence of telescopes?
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  1479.  @Globeisahoax  And it gets the details wrong .
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  1480.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1481. To view the globe directly. You can deduce it is a globe from horizon, movement of the sun and angle to Polaris.
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  1482.  @Globeisahoaxx  With a limited amount of fuel onboard.
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  1483.  @KangenAlec  Normal people look through telescopes before they make such pronouncements.
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  1484. @smoltrashcan2517 He’s trolling people.
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  1485.  @Globeisahoaxx  How did NASA influence the ancient Greeks?
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  1486.  @donboydston521  How have they influenced 2500 years of history? How are they are controlling sun & stars?
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  1487.  @Globeisahoax  If your most damning evidence is you crying “conspiracy!” then you haven’t got a leg to stand on.
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  1488. Expense and personnel usefulness aside, the FE’er would be floating around groping for invisible, intangible wires, declaring the windows to be LCD screens and trying to open the airlock to prove there was a studio outside.
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  1489. The OT predates the discovery of the Earth being a sphere.
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  1490. Your visual acuity is what is limited, not a set distance you can’t see beyond. You can’t see an object with less than 0.2 degree arc in your vision regardless of how big or far away it is. You can’t see bacteria at all; you can see stars hundreds of light years away.
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  1491.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  1492.  @KangenAlec  ​ @KangenAlec Yet again, blockhead: motion of then sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Verifiable by any Tom, Dick or Harry and we are still waiting for the FE explanations.
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  1493. You see the effect of curvature, not curvature itself.
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  1494.  @devinlaughlin5983  You need to be up around 100,000ft with a wide angle view before it starts becoming visible to the eye.
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  1495. Falsification is important. If you start from a predetermined conclusion and only accept evidence that supports your desired conclusion then you haven’t determined anything. Science starts with a hypothesis and tries to disprove it then progresses with an iterative procedure where disproven hypotheses are abandoned and supported ones are expanded upon and retested. The final conclusion is consistent with all evidence and has stood up to all attempts to disprove it.
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  1496. Some accept they are spheres, some insist they are also flat (no explanation provided for the movement of surface features) while other simply deny they are planets and refuse to acknowledge the existence of telescopes.
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  1497.  @ecchi12  The guy is selling snake-oil. He makes plausible sounding statements but doesn’t actually explain anything, just persuades people with minimal knowledge in the subject. What is his explanation for how density would act as a force and why in a consistent direction. If you think should come to their own conclusions then why direct them to Dubay?
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  1498.  @ecchi12  You complained about me making a comment then directed people to a guru doing exactly that. That’s hypocrisy typical of FE’ers.
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  1499.  @KangenAlec  If it simple then do it.
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  1500.  @jingleoctopus4160  Odd is a snake oil salesman; sounds plausible but relies on the viewer's ignorance & incredulity. The only "experiments" they perform is demonstrating that using the wrong maths doesn't produce accurate predictions (usually distance to the horizon); they rely on the viewer's ignorance of the correct maths. There is one experiment that was to demonstrate the Earth didn't move; they observed the 15 degrees rotation you would expect from one rotation per day.
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  1501.  @KangenAlec  Produce a working FE map first.
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  1502. Do you know of one?
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  1503.  @KangenAlec  How do you think CGI is shot on an analogue camera?
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  1504. What do you think we have labs for?
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  1505. Evidence?
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  1506. Scientists.
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  1507.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t explain why it wouldn’t light up all of FE.
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  1508.  @KangenAlec  Explain how people receiving lethal & sterilising shots are alive and having kids.
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  1509.  @JC-zr8zd  I don’t expect any answers since he only responds to people who he thinks may be receptive and because, from an earlier exchange, he sees pertinent questions as abuse. He is most probably blocking my comments.
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  1510.  @KangenAlec  If only any of you could come up with evidence,....
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  1511. By measuring the circumference of the Earth’s orbit and dividing by the time it takes to complete one orbit.
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  1512.  @KangenAlec  He’s been arrested a number of times around the world for generally flouting the law. Driving a snowmobile to a research station doesn’t qualify as “nearly killed” and there were no troops there to arrest him. His ship sank in a storm; do wish to claim the military can cause storms?
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  1513.  @Globehoax  If it’s so important to you then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  1514.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again be dooofus, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  1515.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for why objects fall. Come on, provide the evidence you say you have.
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  1516. The oblation is less than 0.1% of the diameter; it's an almost perfect sphere, not rugby ball shaped.
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  1517. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, navigation, accurate worldwide maps....
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  1518. Why has nobody zoomed the set sun back into view?
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  1519.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t provided any explanation how you determined the distance to the sun or what magnification & resolution would be required for a satellite camera to see people; you just keep muttering “it’s flat, it’s flat” like a zombie.
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  1520.  @jakeanthony1100  You aren’t limited to a few select parts of Antarctica; the easiest way to go is to travel on a tour company’s permit and they have their particular destinations. No matter where you ate in Antarctica you can admire the 24hr sun in summer.
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  1521. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  1522. They aren’t intelligent. Their contradictions and lack of explanations are pointed out to them repeatedly but they can’t see anything wrong. Kangen here has been insisting for months that FE agrees with observable reality despite the contradictions.
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  1523. And yet they can’t comprehend that a small number of YT gurus could be lying to them.
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  1524.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer Josh’s comment.
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  1525. Irrelevant concerning the shape of the Earth.
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  1526.  @KangenAlec  If you have the knowledge then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  1527. So why can't FE'ers answer questions? How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day when any FE model predicts both would change?
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  1528.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question: how does the FE sun retain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity? You think you're the man with the answers so actually try answering something.
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  1529. The rotation is detectable with gyroscopes; your body is insensitive to such slow rotational speeds. There is no "law of gases"; gravity provides the necessary force to keep the atmosphere attached to Earth, something that is apparent from the pressure decreasing with altitude rather than the constant air pressure claimed by FE'ers. Still waiting on evidence for Earth being flat while anybody can measure curvature with sticks & shadows. "Balls out physics" is heavily dependent on idiocy and gullibility rather than science.
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  1530.  @KangenAlec  You mean people who actually measured the distance rather than eyeball it?
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  1531. You're confusing the vernacular meaning of theory with the philosophical; you need to use a comprehensive dictionary that lists the multiple meanings of each word. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of the word. You do not need at atmosphere to push against or another object to push you. The Third Law of Motion is universal: to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. The hot gases from the combustion chamber goes one way, the rocket the other way with equal force. A item in a vacuum chamber remains where it is when the chamber is emptied. It is not become weightless or move on its own. When a force is applied it moves. If suspended and released the object will fall to the floor because gravity is acting on it. Visual acuity and horizon are two quite different things. When an object occupies less than 0.01 degrees a human is unlikely to be able to see it. Depending on the size of the object this usually occurs well before it reaches the horizon. (Yes, there can be more than one reason why can't something; it is not magically limited to one and only cause.) If it within the horizon then zooming can bring it back into view; once it passes the horizon no amount of zooming will bring it back. This is why FE'ers like to zoom in on ships but never try doing it with the setting sun that has unmistakably moved past the horizon. Your grasp of basic science is abominable. Don't try lecturing others.
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  1532.  @KangenAlec  Yoh were describing Earth as pizza in another comment. Do pizzas not have edges? How can they be measured by diameter if they have no end?
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  1533. What do you think we do in labs?
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  1534.  @AndreaMeadors  What are the questions that you have that you couldn’t find answers for? A scientific theory is not guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning.
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  1535. There have been several transpolar circumnavigations, the latest being a flight 2 years ago. FE’ers won’t even dare to go far enough south to see a 24hr sun.
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  1536. Translated from the original Hebrew, which didn’t have separate words for circle & sphere.
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  1537.  @KangenAlec  Why would there be panic & chaos?
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  1538.  @KangenAlec  And yet people explore... Why don’t any FE’ers join in and check on the 24hr daylight for themselves? Find actual evidence of your dome & icewall?
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  1539.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles - no need to go to space to demonstrate the Earth is s globe.
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  1540. Science is built on facts, changes as knowledge increases and nothing is accepted without reproducible evidence. Religion is quite the opposite.
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  1541.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees and there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  1542.  @Globeishoaxx  Nice tautology, there is no pact abd yiu still haven’t said whete thus clause is in the Treaty.
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  1543.  @CommanderSpaceDog  The “man with the answers” doesn’t answer anything.
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  1544. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, lunar eclipses - explain how you think They are fooling you into seeing that.
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  1545.  @Globeisahoax  Who do you think is fiddling with the sun & stars and, importantly, how do you think they could achieve it?
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  1546.  @KangenAlec  You have yet to demonstrate any of your claimed fakery.
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  1547.  @Globeisahoax  Ive been asking you for a long time what magnification & resolution camera would be needed for that and all I get is crickets. Indeed I only ever get crickets when I ask you any questions. Why don’t you answer?
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  1548. With a telescope, as & when you can handle the concept that telescopes exist.
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  1549. Edited out, hence the abrupt cuts.
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  1550. They’ve been asked for evidence for years; all they provide are ignorance and incredulity.
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  1551.  @Globeishoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist…
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  1552.  @bigdogg1206  Unless you are a superhero, they aren't in the visual spectrum.
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  1553. That it isn't flat is easy to demonstrate: the sun rises & sets, horizons, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude. I assume you mean most people don't know how it was deduced to be a globe, merely that it is a globe with trackable satellites in orbit and world-wide maps that enable them readily take intercontinental flights.
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  1554.  @klklkl501  I doubt it. The Japanese planes were launched from aircraft carriers but they had a maximum range of about 18,000 km so same problem exists.
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  1555.  @klklkl501  Thr Gleason projection? I suspect he would delete my comments. Right now I think he blocks my replies on here.
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  1556.  @klklkl501  I tried it; 11 corrections & questions in the first 3 minutes and we're only onto the first question. It will be interesting to see if my comments stay up.
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  1557.  @modostig67  ? He ceased replying to my comments a few months back.
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  1558.  @klklkl501  Not surprisingly my comments on his video have already disappeared. I'm afraid this is as far as I get socalising online.
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  1559.  @modostig67  I think the adage of “don’t drive faster than your guardian angel can fly” might apply 😊
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  1560.  @christiandaniel8400  They visualise a 25 mile circumference. They aren’t competent with numbers.
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  1561. It's a physical shape that has been measured, the surface fully mapped (curvature included) and recently repeatedly photographed from all angles from space. The shape can be deduced from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. The shape is not a hypothesis.
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  1562. A lot of people think it has the same meaning as the vernacular.
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  1563. FE’ers apparently believe we don’t engage in research. None give an explanation as to what they think we do in labs.
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  1564.  @WeAreN1nja  They seem to think we spend decades in a school classroom rereading a handful of elementary textbooks. Basically, they can’t think beyond their own experience.
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  1565. An object can pass beyond your visual acuity well before it reaches the horizon; zooming it back in to view before it reaches the horizon says sweet Fanny Adams about the horizon. Perspective means an object receding from you shrinks equally in all dimensions while an object disappearing over the horizon is gradually blocked from the bottom up and no amount of zooming will bring it back; that is filmed happening and you can see it yourself through a telecope. That no FE'er has succeeded in zooming the set sun back into view should be a clue.
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  1566. KangenAlec / Globe is a Hoax posts plenty but says nothing.
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  1567.  @KangenAlec  Finally, you acknowledge telescopes exist. You just have the grasp the concept of focus now.
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  1568. The video has been heavily edited.
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  1569.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence from you....
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  1570. Defendable facts such as?
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  1571.  @SamSam-ir7ux  They insist the Treaty precludes travel to Antarctica though none of them can ever say where it says that.
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  1572.  @KangenAlec  You don’t seem to mind being a slave of lies and deception: you’ve willing spent months repeating the same posts over and over.
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  1573. The eye detects whatever light reaches it regardless of the distance. Visual acuity is limited but how far away you can discern something is dependent on the object's size. Something passing beyond the limit of your visual acuity is not the horizon; watch the sun set and you see it being hidden by the Earth's curvature.
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  1574.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead; Enoch was not included in the original compilation, centuries before the Vatican existed.
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  1575.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how you think that is supposed to work.
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  1576. They've shifted from an "over & under" path for the sun to round & round horizontal to he FE surface. They can't explain what keeps it up, what makes it move, what makes it change course (for seasons), what makes it rise & sets, what makes it retain a constant angular diameter & velocity, what makes it light a limited misshapen area but they are quite sure that their answers are correct. My opinion is that you would need to resort to torture to get the answers they are supposedly eager to share.
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  1577.  @meias.  Magellan was the first; first and only are two different things.
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  1578.  @meias.  It was the first of your comments to appear in my feed; some people do actually think the two are the same rather than entertain the possibility that something has been repeatedly confirmed.
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  1579.  @Globeisahoax  So you keep insisting but never produce the evidence to back. Try doing so.
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  1580. There is a significant difference between possible and probable.
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  1581. A scientific theory is an explanation of how a phenomenon occurs; the shape of Earth is a verifiable fact, not a phenomenon.
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  1582.  @KangenAlec  Why can't you produce any evidence of fakery?
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  1583. You still haven’t explained how you think NASA influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  1584. What do you think we have labs for?
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  1585. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses - that is how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe c. 500BC using just observation and thought. Explain how you think they could bd mistaken. The pyramids is one for engineers. Three possibilities for construction exist; there’s no way to know for certain since the Egyptians left no records and the construction sites are long gone.
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  1586.  @amandaboser2.051  You're conflating fact, theory and hypothesis. The shape of Earth is a fact; the means by which the pyramids were built are hypotheses and scientific explanations for how something works are theories. There is only one shape that would explain what the ancient Greeks observed. The Earth's surface is fully mapped; there is only one shape the measurements are compatible with. Every photo of Earth shows a circular cross-section; that is true of only one shape. It's a fact that it is a sphere. There is no means to test how the pyramids were built; with sufficient funding the different hypotheses could be tried (ignoring H&S requirements) but even if only one was successful it would not demonstrate that was how they were built. Again, do note that this is an engineering problem, not a scientific one. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive experimentation & observation. Since nothing can be tested absolutely (i.e., there's always a next time and that could be the time it fails) it is possible for an established theory to be wrong but it is highly unlikely. Scientific hypotheses (which is what you are referring to) span from an initial untested explanation for an observation through to approaching acceptance as a theory. Each offers an explanation what is currently known but there are still too many unknowns for it to be anything other than a working basis for something. "just look at covid" Actuality or the criticism from the legions of armchair experts?
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  1587.  @Wangside891  The sun rising & setting throws the theory.
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  1588.  @gardencarcass  That would require thinking and they are Thinkers, not thinkers.
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  1589.  @KangenAlec  How?
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  1590.  @RNDMID  I’ve been asking him for months; the “man with the answers” doesn’t answer.
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  1591. What do you perceive the problem to be? If you think level is synonymous with flat then check the multiple definitions of level in a comprehensive dictionary.
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  1592.  @Globeisahoax  You do need to explain how a FE could produce the observable reality that it contradicts. What’s so difficult for the self-professed expert?
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  1593. You mean the counterforce is greater at the equator but it remains very small compared to gravity. The difference is detectable (fine scales need to be calibrated for location) but not profound.
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  1594. Some insist there is an edge and will insist there is an insurmountable icewall and/or dome stopping you getting there, others claim there is an infinite plain. Neither have done anything to check that and most ignore that there is more than one claim.
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  1595.  @KB_Tony24  They would claim the plans was slightly banked and you are actually flying in a circle above the FE and ignore the distances, speeds, fuel consumption etc
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  1596.  @EdwardTilley  Some channels seem to be set up to automatically delete them, others not but even there posting them can be unreliable.
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  1597. They think the sun & moon move in a horizontal circle above the Earth and that seasons are caused by the size of the circle increasing & decreasing. They can't explain what keeps them up, moves them, what changes their course, why there's no apparent change in size & speed from an observer's perspective, how they rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon, why the days gets longer in the southern hemisphere summer when they predict they get shorter, much explain how there can be 24hrs sun in the Antarctic Circle but they are quite sure that all the explanations they can't provide are correct for....reasons....
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  1598. "the earth is egg shaped" The deviation from a perfect sphere is trivial; the Earth would not qualify as egg-shaped.
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  1599. Cue KangenAlec popping up to say we’re uneducated in FE while refusing to impart any detail of his professed deep knowledge and understanding of the subject.
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  1600.  @KangenAlec  It doesn't and it doesn't.
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  1601.  @KangenAlec  Explain How the sun stays up, how it moves, how it changes direction and evidence for these ice walls.
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  1602. They already commented that rocket science is complicated to confuse people so they would argue the same for calculating where the horizon is.
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  1603.  @martinsdunu9754  There’s no coherent meaning to what you said. There’s no limit to how much mass can exist in zero gravity as long as the mass is present as one object; the gravity would be within it and with enough mass it will collapse into a black hole. More than object and you will observe attraction between the objects. Density is not a force. No amount of wishful thinking is going to make it a force.
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  1604. Encouraging the spread of willful ignorance isn't harmful to anybody?
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  1605. Which government do you think has had worldwide power with the strength to manipulate stars & shadows for the last 2500 years?
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  1606. FE’ers don’t have any valid evidence. All they produce are ignorance & incredulity, using the wrong maths, ignoring key factors, denying evidence that disproved FE, refusing to acknowledge gaping holes in their explanations on the few occasions that they produce explanations at all. The notion that the Earth is flat is readily disprovable and disproven millenia ago.
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  1607.  @oktayozbaki6793  The more oblique the angle of the sun then the greater the area the sun us spread over and the less heat there is for a set area. Check the size of the dun through a solar lens (eliminates glare) and you find it doesn’t change size. It certainly doesn’t shrink away to an infinitesimal dot 10-20 degrees above the horizon.
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  1608. Airflow keeps a plane aloft; the plane is trimmed to remain at a constant air pressure and it will do so regardless of whether the atmosphere is flat or curved.
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  1609.  @KangenAlec  What do you think stops light from millions of miles away from reaching you? You still haven’t explained how the FE sun can only be 50 miles away from you on a circuit 1000’s if miles in diameter.
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  1610. Are you advocating dropping visa requirements?
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  1611. About 500BC.
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  1612. They deny the pictures are genuine. Apparently even single frame shots on film are CGI.
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  1613. None the FE’ers can explain.
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  1614.  @KangenAlec  You’re still denying telescopes exist?
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  1615. You think the ancient Greeks were Israelites?
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  1616.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom.
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  1617. They believe scientists spend decades sitting in classrooms endlessly rereading the same few books. They see no connection between us & labs.
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  1618. It’s been edited out. Elektro-L (Russian) and Himawari-8 (Japanese) are continually downloading more pictures
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  1619. The video has been heavily edited.
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  1620.  @KangenAlec  If you have to spend the money bribing people, faking data and running dual mechanism equipment what money do you think would be left over to go in someone's pocket?
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  1621.  @Globeisahoax  And yet none of you can answer questions…
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  1622. The Earth was deduced to be a globe c. 500BC. Ostrich eggs are egg-shaped, not oblate spheroids.
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  1623.  @KangenAlec  It's called free speech. Why don't you utilise it and answer questions?
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  1624.  @KangenAlec  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, navigational maps, WGS84, satellites, countless photos etc
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  1625.  @narcissamalfoy6789  1. He doesn’t acknowledge telescopes exist. 2. Each FE’er is the one and only observer on Earth.
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  1626.  @KangenAlec  Something you seem to lack.
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  1627. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow.
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  1628.  @vinayaktyagi1366  Some say there is an edge, others an infinite plain and according to all there is/isn’t an insurmountable icewall and/or impenetrable dome in the way. Kangen’s a hand waver who won’t consider beyond an impenetrable dome but is quite sure of the answer he won’t give.
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  1629. KangenAlec See my answer to Vinayak. Would you like me to say it all again and, if so, would you pay any attention if I did?
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  1630. We all have beliefs of one sort of another but they don’t usually depend on declaring observable reality to be wrong.
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  1631. By not comprehending just how little they know.
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  1632.  @KangenAlec  You mean she's not interested in the truth but just looking to say something different?
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  1633.  @KangenAlec  what would stop you seeing it?
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  1634. You would need to go higher than a parachute jump to clearly view curvature or a curved horizon. The video has been heavily edited, hence the abrupt cut-offs.
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  1635. By denying telescopes exist.
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  1636.  @KangenAlec  And we keep telling you how they did it and how you can do it for yourself but you’re eager to show that your mind can’t handle it.
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  1637. So FE’ers keep claiming but strangely they can’t say what any of them are.
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  1638.  @Globeishoaxx  And yet we can demonstrate that the Earth is a globe whereas you can’t answer any questions out to you despite blathering how knowledgeable you are.
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  1639.  @KangenAlec  Why does the observable motion of the sun differe from FE claims?
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  1640. A minimum of three poles otherwise it could also triangulate to a FE & local sun. Alternative is one pole and track the change in direction of the shadow. Globe predicts a constant 15 deg/hr, FE a variable rate.
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  1641.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1642.  @Globeisahoax  Are you capable of answering any questions?
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  1643. 360/25000 = 0.014.
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  1644.  @ceedabulls  You don’t understand the relevance of my comment?
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  1645. The main reason for its visibility was her elevation. They frequently ignore that factor.
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  1646.  @KangenAlec  How would somebody gain money & power?
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  1647.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  Sad; his channel has several FE videos and he seems to believe any conspiracy theory going.
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  1648. Conclusions not assumptions.
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  1649. Look at how the structure of the atom was deduced over time. You can get a broad understanding of how something works and determine the fine details with time.
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  1650.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't produced any evidence for this dome. What's the problem?
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  1651.  @arrogantaries0034  Reread what I wrote, slowly, and think.
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  1652.  @Globeisahoax  Then why don’t you demonstrate?
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  1653. 1. You get the wrong answer because you are using the wrong maths to calculate distance go the horizon. Why is that so difficult for FE’ers to understand. 2. The shorter the firing distance, the less correction needed; it does not mean no correction is required. 3. Which puts the FE sun at multiple heights simultaneously including a sun lower than a plane that is too low to fly over the sun. Why do the people who prattle on about railway lines & perspective fail to recognise they are looking at parallel rays?
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  1654.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  1655. The moon orbits the Earth in the course of a month; it spends half of each orbit on the sunward side.
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  1656. Still waiting on your evidence of ice barriers and an explanation of what is “beyond” when nobody has been there.
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  1657.  @Globeisahoaxx  If there is no up & down thdn why do you keep talking about top & bottom?
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  1658. What exactly is a "narrative"? Someone who is an expert in a field is not going to be fooled easily, much less everyone in the field. The notion of "they could be wrong" is simply used as a get out for those who want to avoid challenging experts.
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  1659.  @KangenAlec  Why does the sun not behave as you predict?
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  1660. If everybody is in the Truman Show then who are the actors?
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  1661. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Still waiting on FE’ers to produce their explanations.
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  1662.  @Globeisahoax  That is what is demonstrable. Still waiting on your answers & evidence.
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  1663.  @Globeisahoaxx  How would you know if you’ve never been?
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  1664.  @msa7933  And all goes quiet…
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  1665. They either ignore telescopes' existence or can't figure out how to focus them.
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  1666.  @KangenAlec  Tesla was generating his own electricity to try to transmit it, not harvesting it.
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  1667.  @KangenAlec  Easier for you to deny than explain.
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  1668.  @KangenAlec  If you're so well educated in FE then why can't you answer any questions?
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  1669.  @doribellan  I am a scientist and I understand the philosophy. It is reasonable to ask what the evidence is and check its validity. Unfortunately FE’ers hail themselves as sceptical thinkers, automatically reject evidence that they personally have not gathered (unless it agrees with their conclusion and regardless of the competence of the gatherers) and assume that merely “thinking different” validates their ideas. When the accumulated evidence has long since disproven a FE and we have reached the point of accurate worldwide cartography, geodetics measuring the shape of Earth to the cubic metre and multiple satellites each taking full hemisphere shots at least every hour it is not open minded or reasonable to muse on whether it could be a huge mistake or conspiracy. The attention is better spent on actually expanding knowledge not rejecting what we have accumulated.
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  1670.  @Globeisahoax  You profess to have the answers so why are questions bullying?
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  1671. Byrd said the then unexplored area of Antarctica was similar in land are to North America. He wasn’t saying he’d discovered new area. The periphery of Antartica was known to cartographers a century before.
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  1672.  @Globeisahoax  The guy who refuses to answer any question is demanding answers?
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  1673.  @Globeisahoaxx  No answer to the question?
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  1674. Most regular people can’t say how we know the Earth is a globe; it’s so well established it’s not important to know abd flat earthers are a byword for stupidity. This discussion was supposed to be between equally well informed people. I gather there wasn’t anything useful forthcoming from the FE’ers.
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  1675. I would watch “10 Things That All Flatearthers Say” (Professor Dave) before watching any FE videos; it will save you a lot of questions.
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  1676.  @KangenAlec  How would that prove the Earth is flat?
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  1677. You do realise that peiple have travelled around it and have measured it in detail?
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  1678.  @Globeisahoaxx  And every time you get answered and you just whine that you’re being trolled.
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  1679.  @jewscontrolyou9730  When each plane remains parallel to the ground below it , why would either need to flip? Aside from the fact that bricks don’t float, the angle between the individual bricks would be extremely tiny, not pronounced. Similarly with rail track sections. Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles.
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  1680. It's a sign of how the video has been edited.
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  1681. The video has been heavily edited to remove the one way flow of evidence and make the discussion seem balanced.
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  1682.  @Imrepenting  Algorithms disfavouring FE and FE videos being removed or blocked arde two different things.
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  1683.  @Imrepenting  Accurate information should not be prioritised?
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  1684. As opposed to a hypothesis, which is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  1685.  @KangenAlec  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  1686.  @samuelsanchez4020  I just bug them with relevant questions; curiously the people who profess to have the answers and be eager to enlighten everybody are not keen on answering. The Law of Just Does covers most of the few answers that I do get.
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  1687. Folks like Kangen deny that telescopes exist; he believes nobody can observe the other planets.
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  1688. What do you think we do in labs if not working with facts? Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  1689.  @KangenAlec  How was NASA shooting videos in 500BC?
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  1690.  @KangenAlec  Say the guy who posts the same comments day after day....
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  1691. The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere around 500BC; a spherical Earth was the centre-point of the Ptolemaic system in 100AD. Predates the Jesuits by 2000 years and NASA by 2500.
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  1692. They did then since the only cameras were in low orbit. Since then multiple high orbit cameras have been launched and you access such shots from Himawari 8, EPIC and Elektro-L.
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  1693.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yiu still haven’t said how you measured the distance to the FE sun or explained why it would only light a limited misshapen area. Why are you taking so long?
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  1694.  @1Bsolo  FE’ers are heavily dependent on the Law of Just Does.
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  1695.  @KangenAlec  And yet the "sane" FE'ers deny observable reality. Still no explanation for the sun retaining a constant angular diameter & velocity?
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  1696.  @Globeisahoaxx  Says the guy who can’t explain anything, answer any question or produce any evidence.
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  1697. A meteor hit the moon throwing some debris into orbit; a few bits eventually came down on Earth as meteorites. They are recognisable by the burning from atmospheric entry; it’s the difference between raw steak and heavily burned steak when compared to rocks brought from the moon but FE’ers brains don’t think very much.
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  1698.  @Globeisahoaxx  Says the guy unable to answer any qyestions or produce any evidence…. Do you consider your willful ignorance to be a shining beacon of knowledge?
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  1699. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for how the FE sun maintains a constant angular diameter & velocity. Do you want to try?
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  1700.  @KangenAlec  They used maths but numbers are beyond your comprehension.
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  1701.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t come up with any evidence to back any of your claims. Meanwhile you can determine the Earth is a sphere by observation and thought.
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  1702.  @KangenAlec  That you need to ask speaks volumes....
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  1703.  @AnnabelLee01  I've told him countless times how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe; he appears to have blocked me so he doesn't have to hear. Cheekily, he is claiming nobody answers the question. You need to explain the concept of evidence to him rather than me; good luck.
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  1704.  @Globehoax  Pefect gurus for the ignorant & gullible. Why don’t they answer questions either?
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  1705. Still waiting on FE'ers to provide evidence such exists outside your imagination.
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  1706.  @KangenAlec  Triangulation and measurement.
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  1707.  @Globeisahoax  Amazing - a FE’er who realises that.
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  1708. "How big a conspiracy is this supposed to be?" It requires the active participation of millions and has run for over 2000 years without anybody letting anything slip. Only three people knew about Clinton & Lewinsky's hook-up in the Oval Office but seemingly the more people involved the less possibility there is for the cat to get out of the bag. Apparently the <insert favourite bogeymen> have such total control of information that they can even regulate private conversations by... means... "why don't all flatearthers go seek the edge" They claim that the Antarctic Treaty forbids all travel there though none can indicate where that clause may be or how there comes to be (Covid restrictions aside) a booming tourist industry there or how exactly they would be prevented or turned back (other than claims of millions of soldiers who haven't noticed that they're stationed in the Antarctic).
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  1709. You mean like the lack of practicality in such a vessel and minor factors like where did the water come from and go to?
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  1710.  @KangenAlec  Numbers and reasoning really frighten you, don’t they?
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  1711. Determining the shape of the Earth can be determined with as little as putting sticks in the ground; it is personally verifiable. You don’t have to take someone’s word for it.
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  1712. He thinks Ali bought his degree rather than earned it on merit.
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  1713. Not high enough even given the 360 degree view. FE'ers have no clue about scale, tend to visualise the globe as 25-250 miles in circumference and think they have some important when the Earth conforms to reality rather than their visualisation.
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  1714.  @KangenAlec  Seismology.
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  1715. You’re disagreeing with the scientists because of an unrelated subject?
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  1716. What do you think is done in scientific research?
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  1717.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  Youre confusing hypothesis with theory. Scientific theories are maintained because the ever accumulating evidence supports their accuracy and disproves the alternatives. Occasionally they do change as we occasionally find evidence to support such change.
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  1718.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  So what do you think we do all day long? Sit there reading dusty books?
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  1719.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  You’re writing your comment via technology that has been progressing for decades.
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  1720.  @KangenAlec  We see the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day in direct contradiction to what you said.
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  1721.  Hell N Degenerates  Some branches of science are dependent on further observation rather than direct experimentation. A prediction is made from the hypothesis, observation made at the requisite times and the data analyses.
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  1722.  @jbignJesus  Examples?
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  1723. Hypothesis rather than theory; scientific theory is the end-product.
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  1724.  @KangenAlec  When none of you can provide any evidence the Earth is flat or any explanation a FE would be hidden then it is a conspiracy theory.
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  1725.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained why the observable motion of the sun contradicts FE.
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  1726.  @Globehoax  Beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome?
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  1727. @TERIQUE MURRAY He thinks asking questions is harassment.
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  1728. What does NASA have to do with something determined 2500 years ago? What exactly do you think we do in labs?
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  1729. The atmosphere moves with the Earth. Also conservation of momentum; the plane does no lose its eastwards momentum when it leaves the ground.
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  1730.  @jaybanksuniversal  All mass is in motion. As mass comes together to form a planet or star there will be net motion in net direction. That motion accelerates as the body compacts, maintaining a constant angular momentum. Gravity is proportional to the mass of both objects and inversely proportional to the separating distance. Since stars & planets have large masses there is strong attraction over distance. Astronauts are not truly weightless; the ISS is about 0.9g but the orbital motion offsets the falling and they float relative to the ISS.
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  1731.  @jaybanksuniversal  From a singularity, not a single atom, ie, the university was crammed into a single point. The Big Band was the expansion of energy & space-time from that singularity; we don't know what preceded that or what caused the Big Bang. The expansion of space-time led to cooling and some of the energy coalesced into matter; eventually stars arose from that.
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  1732. They think our careers are an endless school lesson, sitting in a classroom endlessly rereading the same few textbooks.
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  1733.  @Globehoax  And yet we can answer questions & provide evidence while after two years you have yet to do either.
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  1734.  @KangenAlec  The slight hitch to finding out how the FE & geocentric models work is that none of you can come up with a working model. Still waiting on you to explain why the sun follows a different path from that described for FE; is that difficult a question?
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  1735.  @cedricwhite7358  Funny thing is, the enlightened FE’ers can never explain what we do in labs or provide coherent explanations for observable reality but have a lot to say about how smart they are.
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  1736.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  1737.  @minravdianga6422  You realise that NASA does not have a monopoly on anything? Produce an example of NASA lying.
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  1738.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles - how many times do you need to be given the answer before it penetrates your head?
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  1739.  @KangenAlec  Yet we observe the sun's motion, horizons and two celestial poles all contradicting a FE. You seem very reluctant to explain where they fit into a FE. Explain how some of the Challenger crew have been leading very involved double lives since they were born.
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  1740. Yet again, an object can pass beyond the limit if your visual acuity ling before it reaches the horizon. The distance to the horizon is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction not by curvature alone. You are not magically limited to three miles. Yes we answer questions logically; you have to be prepared to the whole answer and think.
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  1741. Whether you able to see the ship or not is dependent on both visual acuity and curvature but they have difficulty comprehending that an effect can have more than one cause. Their thinking stops once they have one cause identified.
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  1742.  @JackKellyBastardMan  There’s a considerable difference between possible and probable. He’s simply using the claim to summarily dismiss evidence that isn’t his personal observation.
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  1743.  @tosuchino6465  It would become apparent that they are unable or unwilling to think beyond one variable. Wrongly educated as having been told density is s force, light gets tired, your eyes can only see a certain distance and closed system means container.
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  1744. They believe the FE’s circling becomes smaller in the northern hemisphere’s summer and wider in the southern hemisphere’s summer; that it would mean the southern hemisphere’s summer dats would be shorter than the winter days is beyond them.
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  1745.  @KangenAlec  A claim that would carry weight if only you were able to explain anything here.
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  1746. It doesn’t embarrass you that you can’t answer questions?
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  1747. Lift or raise to be precise. Doesn’t it occur to you that the person telling you it means deceive could be wrong or even lying to you?
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  1748.  @KangenAlec  Evidence you can’t produce, just like Weirdo says.
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  1749.  @Globeishoaxx  How about the action of telling me what camera resolution and magnification you think are needed for that? Are you simply telling me you haven’t thought about that despite a year of me asking you?
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  1750. They denounce everything as CGI. They have a supposedly infallible technique of “I can tell” for identifying CGI. No explanation how CGI was done decades before CGI existed.
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  1751. Intuitive & truncated is not a “bigger way of thinking”. With most of them their brains fuse at concepts such as measurement, arithmetic, two variables etc
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  1752.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the observable motion of the sun disagrees with FE claims.
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  1753. Pale Blue Dot from a Voyager probe. SpaceX has live cameras on every launch. You’ve had it and you continue to demand it.
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  1754. Scientific conclusions are reached because that is what the accumulated evidence indicates. Data is forever increasing, a fact that science-deniers ignore; the possibility exists new data will appear that doesn’t support the conclusion. People essentially are saying we lost iPhone technology. They have no clue what technology was used in the moon missions and assume there was some super-duper Star Trek-level technology that has bern mislaid. Never seems to occur to them to ask.
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  1755.  @KangenAlec  Rob Skiba is God?
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  1756. Theres a network of giant invisible radio masts across the FE, including across the oceans. Practicality is not their strongpoint.
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  1757.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained how the FE sun rises & sets.
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  1758.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, the Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe; the map is clearly labelled as that.
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  1759.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how planes can exceed their operational speed & range on a FE. Get your finger out and produce it.
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  1760.  @KangenAlec  Not to meet the patterns observed with solar eclipses and you have avoided explaining lunar eclipses.
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  1761.  @KangenAlec  If they beyond an insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome then what is there to hide?
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  1762.  @KangenAlec  Says the man unable to answer questions or provide evidence....
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  1763. There are papers dealing with aircraft flight dynamics with the sim of developing flight simulation software. Because of the computers of the time they made a stated string of assumptions to simply the maths: no weight loss due to fuel consumption, not flexibility in the airframe, no weather, no variation in elevation and no correction necessary for planetary rotation. That is the FE’er “evidence”.
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  1764. There is scepticism and there is denialism; the former wants to see the evidence, the latter won’t accept any.
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  1765.  @Globeisahoax  It’s simple logic, something that FE’ers are short of.
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  1766.  @Globeisahoax  How do you expect to expose anything if you cant answer basic questions or provide basic explanations?
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  1767.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question. What would anybody gain?
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  1768. Largely an presumption that if it exists now then it must have existed then.
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  1769.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  The FE moon would only be always full if you’re close the north pole; everywhere else it would go through a visible 24 hour cycle of change. It shows more of their stupidity.
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  1770. They keep saying that they have it but only ever produce ignorance & incredulity.
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  1771.  @daddy3982  You have one of those models where the horses are in the boot (trunk). 😊
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  1772. @Rayhan Syed He’s yet another saying there are gaping holes in the globe but neglects to specify any. I’m asking what he thinks they are.
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  1773.  @elymayer4860  Apparently NASA runs everything, even at the height of the Cold War, though no explanation is ever forthcoming as to how.
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  1774.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t provided any evidence of this fakery. What’s the hold up?
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  1775. Astronomy not astrology. FE’ers are hooked on a bogeyman.
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  1776.  @KangenAlec  "What’s outside?" You're the self-professed expert: tell us what is outside.
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  1777.  @KangenAlec  The sun observably maintains a constant angular diameter & velocity is direct contradiction to FE. I've been asking you, the man with the answers, the deep thinker with the profound understanding of the subject for an explanation for months but no answer. What's the problem?
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  1778. Dust & moisture. Yiu woyld be able to see most of the way on a FE (weather permitting) but the view would gradually become a haze without any horizon.
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  1779.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees.
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  1780. How does it force people?
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  1781.  @SIM2014  Most research papers are publicly accessible in either draft or final form. All papers lay out aim, methods, results and conclusion. We aren’t talking about high school textbooks.
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  1782. I think more closing their eyes and thinking they can see better.
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  1783.  @KangenAlec  How would it keep the Them in power exactly?
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  1784.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't provided any evidence to back your claim. What's the hold up?
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  1785.  @KangenAlec  If you feel yourself to be well-educated in FE why can't you answer questions?
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  1786. They would still deny it.
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  1787.  @KangenAlec  Scheduled for 2024.
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  1788.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe. You've been told that umpteen times; are you a bit slow?
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  1789. They have no grasp of scale and look for the curvature you would expect to observe with a 25 mile circumference.
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  1790.  @KangenAlec  Try answering his questions.
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  1791.  @Globeishoax  What colour do they need to be to move?
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  1792. There were six landings in total; how much replication do you need?
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  1793. To be accurate he said loving God and loving your neighbour were the most important commandments.
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  1794.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes and more than one observer.
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  1795.  @amustychickn  What would they gain? That is was he was asking.
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  1796.  @amustychickn  Makes a change 😊 FE’ers are quite serious but are never able to say how anybody could gain; they just haven’t thought that for.
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  1797.  @mikelarrivee5115  Everything I wrote relates to something you said. "why you keep thinking that the sun has to change sizes" Change in apparent size; the angular diameter of an object changes according to the distance from the observer. I the sun was close then the Earth's diameter would be a substantial proportion of the distance to the sun and the thus the sun's angular diameter would apparently change through the course of the day. "your wrong in saying that 2500 years supports the idea that the sun orbits the earth, there are about 3 centuries out of the thousands of years of human history where anyone has thought that" "when I was talking about the thousands of years I was talking about the sun orbiting the earth" Which is it?
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  1798.  @mikelarrivee5115  ​ It would remain the same distance from the Earth's surface; unless the observer was also moving around the surface of Earth once per day then the distance from sun to observer would alter. When the distance from sun to observer alters then the angular diameter of the sun relative to the observer would change. We do not observe that. One statement says the concept of the sun circling earth has only existed for a few centuries, the second statement says it has existed for millenia. Which is it?
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  1799. The video has been heavily edited, hence the abrupt jumps; the scientists did provide evidence. The ancient Greek deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude (and the visible stars changing) and eclipses. The world surface was mapped & measured centuries before cameras could be put into orbit; you can buy 18th century antique globes. Taking a picture from orbit was icing on the cake. Put a stick in the ground and track the direction of the shadow through the course of the day; it will be 15 degrees per hour, consistent with the globe, contradictory to the FE. You can watch it rise & set and then fail to zoom it back into view once it has set, again consistent with a globe and inconsistent with FE. With multiple sticks & travel (or collaboration) you can measure the curvature by measuring how the shadow length changes with location.
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  1800. Is that a joke or a subtle double bluff to persuade people to stop countering FE’ers and let them get on with your dastardly work in peace? 🤔
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  1801.  @Globeisahoax  Most FE’ers. What have you done to determine there isn’t an edge?
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  1802.  @astarcalledsun  The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a sphere around 500BC from the motion of sun & stars and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow; the Ptolemaic model of the universe (c. 100AD) was accepted as accurate. Columbus did not prove the Earth was round; Magellan provided direct evidence of what was already known.
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  1803. Scientism is the belief that science can answer everything, even the questions that fall outside science’s purview. Folks like FE’ers call everything scientism to avoid dealing with science.
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  1804.  @carlataylor511  He think we don’t understand the “evidence” that FE’ers provide. He professes to have an understanding of FE that totally rocks the foundations of science but is apparently unable to answer questions beyond alluding to the globe being a conspiracy.
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  1805. ​ @swaggykevin1522  The Earth was deduced to be a globe 500BC; explain how this government has been in total control across the entire world for 2500 years without anybody noticing.
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  1806.  @Globeisahoax  You need to supply the evidence for that. Surely pointing out the clause in the Antarctica Treaty would be the easy-peasy bit?
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  1807. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - all indicative only of a globe and disproving a FE. How many times by how many people does something need to be photographed to qualify as having been photographed?
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  1808. Earhart didn’t quite make it unfortunately.
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  1809.  @dmtygmyt7635  He doesn’t understand trigonometry or more than one observer in the world.
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  1810.  @KangenAlec  How do the sun's observably constant angular velocity & diameter support the FE notion that both are observably variable?
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  1811.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1812.  @kohi48  Also watch Professor Dave’s 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say first. He runs you through FE logic and it will save you a lot of time.
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  1813.  @KangenAlec  Still no explanation how the sun can be electricity or how you can determine that. Still no explanation for the maintaining a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day. Still no explanation for how the sun remains above a FE, what moves it and what makes it change course. Still no explanation for why the sun would only light a limited misshapen area. Still no explanation for long days in the Southern Hemisphere. Still no explanation for two celestial poles or the constellations changing with latitude. Tesla said the works was a globe. His tower was intended for transmitting electricity not harvesting it. Didn’t the man write explicitly enough for you? Still no evidence if vaccines causing mass death. A few weeks ago you were claiming the COVID vaccines were lethal injections but you still can’t provide any evidence of such. So many of you claim to have the knowledge and understanding but none of you can answer these fundamental questions. You can’t even understand what is important about them.
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  1814. The yoga teacher that doesn't answer any questions and keeps peddling claims that have been disproved over and over and over? What do you expect him to contribute exactly?
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  1815.  @swaggykevin1522  How can density (a ratio) act as a force and why in a consistent direction? Dubay won't answer me.
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  1816.  @KangenAlec  Why have none of you managed to zoom the set sun back into view?
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  1817.  @KangenAlec  Why can the FE sun only light up a small misshapen area when there is a clear line of sight across the FE?
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  1818.  @KangenAlec  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles: what do you think has changed in 2000 years and how?
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  1819.  @KangenAlec  Straight line as in no deviation to the left or right; all projectiles travel forwards in a arc.
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  1820. And not even a coherent idea.
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  1821.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles - still waiting on your explanations. You’ve had 6 months - what’s the holdup?
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  1822. They don’t propose any shape.
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  1823.  @Globeisahoax  pharma manufactures & sells the ivermectin & chloroquine; how is that hiding them?
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  1824.  @Globeisahoax  And yet so readily provable while you can’t explain anything.
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  1825. Nasa means raise or lift. NASA is an acronym, not a word.
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  1826.  @Globeisahoax  You have yet to supply any of that evidence. What’s so difficult?
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  1827.  @KangenAlec  How does the FE sun meet the observable reality of maintaining a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day?
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  1828. He was quite specific about how minute the deviation from a perfect sphere that "pear-shaped" referred to. Some people don't seem to comprehend numbers.
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  1829.  @KangenAlec  You need to come up with a FE map first.
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  1830. The video was edited to remove the one way flow of evidence that the Earth is a sphere. We deduced it was a dohere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. We are still waiting on FE’ers explanations for any of those.
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  1831.  @shyamvijay8985  Regardless of the size of the population there is only ever one observer in FE’er minds.
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  1832.  @KangenAlec  How? None of you can produce a FE map.
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  1833. Explain the motion of the sun and two celestial poles.
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  1834. Yes, no and they don't exist; depend on which of them you ask. They are quite agreed that they are agreed on one answer but they can't agree what it is they have actually agreed upon.
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  1835.  @KangenAlec  Oh dear, you’ve forgotten telescopes exist again....
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  1836. She gets called a Karen because of her attitude not her beliefs, which themselves are obviously a product of grief. I don’t think anybody is making fun of the latter.
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  1837.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Explain how NASA videos influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  1838.  @KangenAlec  Have you actually read it or are you unquestioningly quoting one of your gurus?
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  1839. @بن محمد Cavendish experiment
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  1840. Example?
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  1841.  @Globeishoax  "I DO Trust in Science" And yet you always ignore us while practising all of those things that you list as unscientific.
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  1842. The video is heavily edited, hence the abrupt cut outs. Jubilee didn't want a one way flow of evidence in a "middle ground" video.
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  1843. ​ @ALightOn  FE'ers favour "I don't see how", "just gotta be" & "just does", feel that maths, measurements, scale, multiple factors, 3D etc are there to confuse people and that it is not necessary for explanations of observable reality to be in agreement with observable reality. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere around 500BC from the existence of horizons, the motion of the sun (constant angular velocity, rising & setting), lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow (only one shape has a circular cross-section from every angle), lunar phases, the stars changing with altitude. With some travel you can observe that we have two celestial poles, that the stars change as you move southwards and that the angle Polaris declines with altitude, becoming below the horizon south of the equator. Using a telescope equipped with a solar filter you can ascertain that he sun maintains a constant angular diameter through the course of the day, passes below the horizon and can't be zoomed back into view. With some phone calls you ascertain that everybody around the world sees the same lunar phase. With some travel or collaboration you can measure the angle to the sun at different locations with sticks & shadows and measure the curvature over the area covered. You can watch the ISS passing overhead on schedule unaffected (clouds aside) by the weather. You can get on a plane on one continent and fly direct to an airport on another continent, something achievable only with accurate maps.
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  1844. To retain a circular appearance from all directions it would have to be a sphere.
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  1845. Hudson Windsor You mean circular from a specific direction. Their thinking doesn’t stretch to what they can’t see other than reference to shadowy conspirators. Some think an endless column, others an infinite plane, others assume something like Discworld with an out of sight, out of mind approach to the underside but they are all agreed that they are agreed on the shape.
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  1846.  @KangenAlec  You haven’t provided any evidence of such fakery and since the Earth was determined to be a sphere 2500 years before NASA was created it would be irrelevant anyway.
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  1847.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; all clearly observable and all contradictory to FE.
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  1848. I would hope so; Earth was deduced to be a sphere 2500 years ago.
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  1849.  @KangenAlec  They drink the magic Kangen Water that isn’t affected by homeostasis or pH2 in the stomach?
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  1850. You’re confusing a 25,000 mile circumference with a 25 mile one.
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  1851.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top or bottom to a sphere and the tilt is 23.4 degrees.
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  1852. You're conflating an inevitable degree of inaccuracy with a deliberate intent to deceive.
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  1853.  @Globeisahoaxx  You’re answered every time and you just scream “harassment”.
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  1854.  @Globeisahoaxx  Try answering questions and supplying evidence.
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  1855.  @KangenAlec  You don’t believe in the sun. I’ve been asking you for over a month to explain the sun’s movement and you can’t answer.
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  1856. Accurate navigation for long distance travel and trade.
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  1857. What do you understand to be scientific?
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  1858.  @KangenAlec  You profess to be well studied on the subject but you can’t answer questions.
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  1859.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1860. The radius of the Earth (3,900 miles) is negligible compared to the distance to the sun (93,000,000 miles). The equatorial region is hotter because being face on to the sun produces a higher light intensity per square mile.
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  1861.  @KangenAlec  If you believe your video is rock solid proof then why do you delete comments pointing out the errors?
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  1862.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees.
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  1863. For having faith in FE?
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  1864.  @raynmanloof9029  The attitude is aimed at people who are denying established facts, facts that they can verify for themselves with some work & thought but who instead choose to be self-proclaimed experts who can’t answer questions or provide evidence. That most FE’ers are religious is besides the point; they are all denialists. .
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  1865.  @KangenAlec  So where would you expect to end up if you dig a hole and why?
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  1866. Philosophically I don’t think that you prove reality to be real; we are dependent on what our senses tell us (or more accurately what our brains tell us we are sensing). We have to accept to a large degree that we are perceiving reality, eg, that I really am holding a phone and tapping on its keyboard. Accepting what we’re told is true is a matter of trust and interdependency; society would not function of the majority were not truthful most of the time. Since human societies have some degree of hierarchy there is also the inclination to accept facts from authority figures. In terms of science there is a requirement to put up the evidence, something that does rely on reality being real and the assumption that we perceive reality in a similar manner. The movement of the sun, horizons and lunar eclipses always having a round shadow is what led the ancient Greeks to conclude the Earth was a sphere, all of which you can check first hand.
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  1867. Has the thought crossed your mind that it isn't the only space agency?
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  1868.  @melonphi7111  You have multiple space agencies, none of which produce anything to contradict NASA's work and plenty to confirm it.
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  1869. An iPhone 12 (or even iPhone 1) is not built using 1970 technology. Apollo craft & Saturn V and that technology is incompatible with today’s. Even if it were compatible the Apollo missions were built to put 2 men in the moon for a few hours; they aren’t going to build a moonbase. The Smaug then Greeks were first. Difficult as it is for you understand, being first does not mean the only ones.
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  1870. Weather balloons won't go high enough.
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  1871.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1872. They seriously believe we spend our careers endlessly rereading high school textbooks while their inept attempts at experiments are cutting edge science.
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  1873. They seem to have no concept that they don’t understand something.
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  1874. Some people think we spend our careers sitting in classrooms endlessly rereading a few text books and consider their inept attempts at experiments to be cutting edge research.
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  1875.  @KangenAlec  Why can the sun only light up a select misshapen area at a time. Starting coughing up the answers you claim to have.
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  1876. The motive was primarily Cold War machoism. It is far cheaper to send probes & robots that can spend much longer on the surface than to send people for a few hours on the surface.
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  1877.  @KangenAlec  If you’re educated in FE why can’t you answer any questions?
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  1878. They didn’t go to take tourist snaps.
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  1879.  @KangenAlec  You can use your senses and observe it rises & sets.
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  1880. We've had a few try to explain some of the Real Physics; they rapidly contradict themselves or rely on the Law of Just Does.
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  1881.  @Globeisahoax  If you have this knowledge then why can’t you explain anything?
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  1882. You realise it is an inherent property of matter?
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  1883. The put the defiintion of a scientific theory on the screen; how is it possible for you to miss it? Are you ignoring what you don't want to know?
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  1884.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  1885. The R value will predictably vary; it is observed to do so.
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  1886.  @Globeisahoax  How do you explain shadows on the moon?
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  1887.  @KangenAlec  No explanation for a lunar eclipse?
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  1888. At the time Blue Marble 2 was made there were no cameras in a high enough orbit to take Earth in one shot. An Apollo crew took Blue Marble in a single frame while retiring to Esrth. Today there are multiple cameras in high orbit taking single frame shots; check EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L.
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  1889.  @KangenAlec  Because given the photos you reject them for reasons you never specify.
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  1890. Still waiting on the FE evidence…
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  1891. Westworld would be digital image processing rather than CGI. A computer was used to alter or blend images rather than the generate the material.
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  1892.  @KangenAlec  "moonlanding movie was directed by S Kubrick" Evidence?
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  1893.  @KangenAlec  How would you gain either form the shape of the Earth?
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  1894.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained why it doesn't change size & speed as it would on a FE. What's the delay?
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  1895.  @jg122487  Generally they’re demanding to see curvature of the horizon (for which you need the best weather balloon and appropriate camera) rather than progressively increasing distance to the horizon. These are the people who insist there is no horizon for the sun to set behind.
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  1896.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map. Come up with your own; you think it's easy-peasy so why not do it?
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  1897.  @alceratops6853  He doesn’t think other planets exist because he won’t acknowledge telescopes exist while the sun & moon move completely differently to what we observe for reasons he can’t explain.
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  1898.  @n.n.9016  You know possess labs but you’re saying we spend 40+ years on a classroom being indoctrinated by <insert bogeymen> so what do you think we do on labs if not research?
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  1899.  @KangenAlec  LIke your gurus have indoctrinated you?
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  1900. Something that was true when Blue Marble 2 was created. Today we have multiple cameras in high orbit taking multiple single frame shots per hour.
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  1901.  @Ash-bin_House  So no video and no answers then?
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  1902. Those people were asked to participate because they are scientists.
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  1903.  @mikegrace2819  Science tries to deduce the workings of the universe through observation & experimentation, FE'ers say screw that, mindless waffling is all we need. "flat earthers will attempt to use science to prove their point" Not yet they haven't. Their entire approach eschews taking measurements, using maths and considering all variables; it's pretty much the antithesis of science.
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  1904. What do you think we do in labs?
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  1905.  @Globeisahoax  Measurement says large & distant; you’ve always refused to say how you determined your conclusions.
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  1906.  @KangenAlec  Once again.... motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris and two celestial poles.
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  1907.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  1908. You realise that one rotation per day (half the speed of a clock’s hour hand) would not make scintillating viewing? Photographs taken hourly by EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L will show what you’re looking for.
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  1909. Why have none of you been able to zoom the sun back after it has set?
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  1910.  @KangenAlec  1. Such as who? 2. What would that have to do with the shape of the Earth?
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  1911.  @KangenAlec  Yiu still can’t say what magnification that would require?
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  1912. In science the onus is on the person making the claim to provide the rationale and evidence for their assertion, not other people to work it out for them.
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  1913.  @MagerialPage  Unfortunately communicating with lay people is a talent; most people don't possess it. I would note that the video has been heavily edited and I don't know what was said in the removed portions.
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  1914. Yes, no, just lights. Depends which FE’er you ask.
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  1915. Science such as what?
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  1916.  @KangenAlec  Mostly from you.
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  1917. Eugenics was popular in the US, not worldwide, and was not a scientific theory. It is an example of people using science to justify their beliefs.
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  1918. We give them a push in the right direction?
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  1919.  @Globeisahoax  Why cant you provide any evidence to back that? Why can’t you explain anything?
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  1920.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his question. The sun & moon have no observable change in size over the course of time, much less a daily cycle.
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  1921. Either they acknowledge other planets are globes or simply dismiss them as stars.
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  1922.  @flashamilli5775  Which still does not make any of those beliefs a fact or hold more than weight than a fact.
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  1923. Look up Isaac Asimov’s The Relativity of Wrong.
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  1924. Everything has to be backed by evidence - that hasn't changed. The attention span required to lack at the evidence appears to have shrunk and people expect the evidence to be comprehensively presented in a few sentences which is physically impossible. Go to arXiv or PubMed and see what amount of detail goes in to a single paper.
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  1925.  @jesusisdead  The mRNA vaccines have been in development for years; are you a biologist who doesn't know how to use PubMed? "You are referring to the abstract and conclusion" The evidence being in the methodology & results sections. Abstracts are not very informative and rely on the reader being well-informed to begin with. How would the power of placebo work on a double-blind experiment exactly?
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  1926. They would lose an incredible amount of money faking evidence and paying people off.
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  1927.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  They find a straw man an easier option than actually thinking.
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  1928.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  1929. You realise the video has been heavily edited?
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  1930. You can watch a sun sinking into the water, something that FE’er can’t provide any explanation for. Given a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find?
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  1931.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't quoted this clause in the Antarctic Treaty. What's the problem?
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  1932. If you think something is wrong then the onus is on you to demonstrate that or at least put forward a plausible alternative explanation for the evidence.
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  1933.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  He doesn’t answer any questions.
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  1934.  @Globeisahoaxx  So no explanation then.
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  1935.  @Globeishoax  Yet again doofus, the Gleason map is a globe projection. It even says so on it.
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  1936. Look up Morton’s demon.
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  1937. It’s a straight line over the surface of a globe; projection of the curved surface onto a 2D surface creates distortion and gives the appearance of route that curves north or south.
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  1938.  @KangenAlec  When there are two celestial poles they do.
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  1939. No.
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  1940.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who cant answer any questions or reconcile his claims with observable reality.
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  1941.  @mynamemylastname7179  Why can’t any of you divulge details beyond “it’s flat” if you are so keen to persuade people?
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  1942.  @twistedspirit  If it wasn't complimentary then you may well find it has been deleted. Check the comments while being logged out of your account to find out.
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  1943. They assumed it was flat because to them it looked flat. Eventually civilisation reached the point where it was actually thought about and the ancient Greeks determined it was a sphere around 500BC.
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  1944.  @Skill_Issue92  He’s pretty much divorced from reality.
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  1945.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how you measured the distance to the FE sun. Simply by eyeballing, the only form of measurement you know?
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  1946. The motion of the sun, existence of horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and accurate worldwide maps all indicate the world is spheroid. FE’ers can explain any of it. No scientist is going to entertain an idea that was disproven 2500 years ago.
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  1947.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting for you to explain why we’re still alive after lethal injections.
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  1948.  @KangenAlec  What power magnification do you think that requires?
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  1949. They seem to go out of their way to demonstrate it.
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  1950.  @zacharyselzman7828  They assume visual acuity and horizon are the same, demonstrate a ship passing the limit of their visual acuity and claim to have disproved the horizon. Calculating where the horizon actually is and testing that is not something their brains stretch to. It is to be noted that none have ever zoomed the set sun back into view.
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  1951.  @zacharyselzman7828  Generally by ignoring observable reality. Some claim the sun shrinks away to a dot too far away to be seen (despite the observably constant angular diameter) either because it passes beyond your visual acuity or because light "gets tired" for unexplained reasons (especially any explanation for why this "tired" distance is both fixed and variable). Somehow it sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. Once the sun becomes "too far away to be seen" the stars that are even further away become visible; no explanation ever forthcoming why their light doesn't "get tired". Alternatively the sun is a spotlight that somehow retains a circular cross-section from every angle and becomes too thin to be seen, again without changing shape or approaching within 20 degrees of the horizon. Despite the differences they remain quite certain that they are agreed which occurs and insist they know how exactly it works despite their inability to provide any explanations.
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  1952. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  1953.  @Globeishoax  Check out FED’s chat with Professor Dave.
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  1954. No, but most FE’ers wave a Bible as their proof.
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  1955. Spencer is correct. A law describes a phenomenon but says nothing of how or why it should be so. A theory describes the how & why; it is as high as you can get in science.
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  1956.  @Globeisahoax  If they were lethal injections then everybody who had had one would be dead so why aren't we? The list of ingredients is available. There is no zero liability.
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  1957. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles and the constellations changing with latitude. Since then we have developed navigation & cartography and have the world fully mapped; the data fits only a sphere. We have put satellites & spacecraft into orbit and observed a sphere; we use satellites for GPS & TV and can observe the ISS passing overhead unfailingly on schedule. We currently have several satellites collectively taking several full hemisphere shots every hour, instantly viewable due to satellite transmissions & the web. FE'er can't explain the sun's motion, can't explain why they can't see several hundred miles in the absence of horizons, can't explain why Polaris is only visible in the northern hemisphere, can't explain two celestial poles, can't explain constellations changing with latitude, can't produce even a crude map, can't explanation how navigation would work, can't explain plane flights in the southern hemisphere, can't explain the ISS's visibility, GPS being available across oceans, can't produce the Real Model they all claim to possess, can't produce the Real Map they all claim to possess, can't produce the Real Evidence they all claim to possess, can't engage their supposed knowledge, insights & profound understanding of reality to explain anything and are totally unable to comprehend concepts such as maths, measurements, more than one variable or that their senses are very limited. Such is their depth of reasoning, Kangen here believes it is possible to use a P900 to zoom into one person from 22,000 miles away. What evidence do you think FE'ers can bring to a discussion?
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  1958.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who has been posting the same comments repeatedly for four months.
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  1959.  @KangenAlec  We also seem them rise & set while retaining a constant angular diameter & velocity in direct contradiction to what you are claiming.
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  1960. To start the combustion without blowing up requires an understanding of combustion in developing the ignition mechanism.
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  1961. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe c. 500BC. 500 years ago was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system. The shift from natural philosophy to science occurred later on.
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  1962. That the Earth is a globe is fundamentally accepted means that most people don't know how it was determined and remains determinable with some thought. The FE gurus rely on that weakness when raising the matter; they can run off several questions that most people can't readily answer and thus sound convincing. That's how conmen work. For this discussion you need people who are well-informed on each side of the matter; it fails in that the FE experts are unable to produce the answers they believe they possess.
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  1963.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  1964. The FE’ers don’t have arguments, just appeals to ignorance & incredulity The video is part of the “middle ground” seties so the scientists’ arguments were edited out to keep the discussion “balanced”.
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  1965.  @teckblock3350  I think he means agnostic.
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  1966.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a projection of the globe, not a FE map.
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  1967.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  1968.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence. What’s taking so long?
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  1969. They think the sun follows a different path to what is observed and grows & shrinks as the day progresses, sunset thing it becoming a tiny dot too far away to be seen; this they consider to be full agreement with what we observe.
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  1970. The only people proposing that Big Bnag said the Universe came from nothing are those that don't want the Big Bang to be true, i.e., it's a straw man argument. If you wish to criticise something then you need to understand what you are criticising. "Flat Earthers don’t have to believe what a Round Earther believes no matter what their evidence" Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles all disprove the notion of a FE; if you wish to advocate a FE then you need to explain how those details are consistent with what you are claiming.
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  1971. When the very, very distant stars are all moving in the same general direction at the same general speed then how much change to you expect to see year to year? "Question the narrative" You're claiming to have thought out so you should be able to provide the answer to my question.
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  1972.  @KangenAlec  And yet we know more about it than FE'ers do....
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  1973. 1. From 0m. You need to factor in elevation & atmospheric refraction; they don’t cease to relevant simply because you aren’t interested. You calculated the distance from a globe map while proclaiming globe maps are incorrect?
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  1974. 2. Produce these pictures. 3. Why do you think the horizon would be in a different position when the plane landed? If you mean the artificial horizon then because there is a corrective mechanism built into it; its purpose is to guide level flight, not keep a record of the horizon after take off.
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  1975. The motion of the sun is not personal belief.
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  1976. When gravity is proportional to mass, the gravity scales down with the decreased mass. You’re arguing it should remain the same regardless of mass to prove it scales down. Straw man argument.
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  1977.  @KangenAlec  Answer his question.
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  1978.  @Globeisahoaxx  Which clause forbids travel? Why is it taking years for you to answer the question?
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  1979.  @Globeisahoaxx  The one based on GPS?
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  1980.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't produced your evidence to back that claim. What's the hold up? You realise that if you answer questions then I don't need to keep asking?
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  1981.  @KangenAlec  None of which work....
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  1982.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom and that magnification camera doesn’t exist.
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  1983.  @KangenAlec  “Truthseekers” don’t give a damn about truth.
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  1984.  @TheMcnoisy  FE’er reasoning stops t the first factor they come to; they have pictures of the Earth from NASA and thus conclude all evidence comes from NASA.
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  1985. Gravity and magnetism are two different things. Gravity comes from mass, the magnetic field from the motion in the outer core. GiaH here is one of those who thinks eyeballing is the only way to ascertain anything.
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  1986. Earthrise 1968 and Blue Marble 1973 each taken in a single frame of film camera. Himawari-8, Elektro-L And EPIC currently taking several full Hemisphere shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. How many shots do you need?
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  1987.  @Globehoax  Still waiting on your evidence. Are you ever going to produce it?
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  1988. Two points. The video has been heavily edited and we don’t know what was said in the cut portions. Secondly, deductive reasoning is an iterative procedure; the starting theory will have prior hypotheses & observation to back it. Scientists attempt to disprove hypotheses whereas folks like FE’ers use cherry-picking & selective interpretation to confirm their desired hypothesis.
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  1989.  @CarpetHater  They aren’t critical, they just dismiss it out of hand.
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  1990.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how you conclude the sun's motion being contradictory to that predicted by FE is supposed to be evidence of FE.
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  1991.  @Globeisahoax  Yes; it's been explained to you countless times already.
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  1992. They were travelling and stopped at an inn, not homeless; they were obliged to stay on the ground floor of the inn where the animals were stabled. Whether or not you wish to have religious belief in the Bible does not change how the story goes.
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  1993. Theories don’t define the laws; they are based on observation. A theory explains why the law applies.
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  1994. "I don’t really trust the COVID one" Even though they work? What do you think they do?
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  1995.  @KangenAlec  mRNA is not going to splice into your DNA; it has no means to get to the nucleus and, even if it could, RNA is not going to splice into DNA. Nobody's immune system has been "deactivated" by the vaccine.
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  1996.  @Globeisahoax  None of which answers the question? Yet again, “down” is towards the centre of the sphere not a universal down towards dine mystical plane “below” the sphere.
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  1997. They pictures don’t have the resolution to be able to do that. They use black & white cameras to achieve the highest resolution (maximum number of photoreceptors), taking several shots through a series of filters and merging the visible spectrum shots to obtain a full-colour picture.
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  1998.  @KangenAlec  Doesn’t occur to you that it would ever much simpler for some YT gurus to be hoaxing you?
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  1999.  @KangenAlec  Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  2000. The video is edited, hence the abrupt jumps.
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  2001. Try Professor Dave's 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say. It runs through the arguments put forward by FE'ers.
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  2002. Make sure you send it high enough.
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  2003.  @Globeisahoax  How would the horizon have multiple heights simultaneously?
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  2004. It’s based on measurements by multiple different means and varying precision & accuracy. The age is not assumed. That we can’t give you an age down to the second does not mean we are guessing.
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  2005. They don’t.
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  2006.  @KangenAlec  Then it’s a pity you can’t provide any answers.
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  2007. All of which is evidence-based, not dreamt up by an ignoramus.
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  2008.  @Globeishoax  Still eaiting on you (or any FE’er) to exolain hiw yiu determined it was small & local. Do you want to try this time? If not then why not?
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  2009.  @azadhosseini5914  One of the scientists in the video.
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  2010.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have yet to supply any evidence, but what's new...
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  2011.  @KangenAlec  Which FE'ers have still to provide any evidence of.
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  2012.  @KangenAlec  You've been saying that for months but you have yet to produce any evidence. What's the delay?
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  2013.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  2014.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying the existence of telescopes?
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  2015.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how anybody would gain.
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  2016.  @KangenAlec  Any evidence of this insurmountable ice-wall?
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  2017. At what point are they rude?
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  2018. What’s your technique for identifying CGI?
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  2019.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when down is towards the centre if the globe then there is no top & bottom to it. You still haven’t said what magnification & resolution you think would needed to photograph Australians; what’s taking you so long?
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  2020.  @naomileilanigrey7600  Earthrise.
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  2021.  @Globehoax  Try looking up emergency landings in the southern hemisphere or are you a coward?
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  2022. You can’t prove a theory absolutely; you can progress to the point where it is found to be unfailingly reliable in explanation and predictions. The possibility always exists that it is incomplete or even incorrect; that does not mean it is probably incorrect much less that a woolly argument is equally likely. You can disprove something relatively readily; you just need to reproducibly demonstrate circumstances in which it doesn’t hold true. Earth is a measurable shape and therefore a fact, not a theory. Claims it is flat are readily disprovable from observation, eg, the sun rising & setting, stars changing with season. A FE is not a reasonable alternative model.
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  2023.  @KangenAlec  Ptolemy wrote his thesis of the universe around 100AD, long before the Vatican existed.
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  2024. Journals have online editions but remain journals; the journals are the source of information, not the web.
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  2025. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was s sphere 2500 years ago from watching the motion of the sun and the existence of horizons. You don’t necessarily have to observe something directly.
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  2026. Evolution was determined to be true long ago; we’re more interested in determine how life has changed in the course of evolution. You mean you make an assumption, cherry pick and selectively interpret information to match the assumption and pat yourselves on the back for using deduction.
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  2027.  @swaggykevin1522  I have; NONE of them can supply me with evidence & explanations that isn't readily disprovable. All of you claim to have done the research and have a profound understanding of how it all works but NONE of you can supply the evidence & explanations you all claim to know. You can't even come up with a plausible reason for the globe being a hoax. Be brave - prove me wrong by supplying the answers.
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  2028.  @KangenAlec  Which still doesn't answer the question....
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  2029. Science tests hypotheses while FE’ers cling to something disproved 2500 years ago.
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  2030.  @tjellis1479  You disagree that we should base scientific theories on observable facts? How do you think it should be done?
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  2031.  @tjjones621  It’s difficult to know whether he is a poe or simply delusional.
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  2032.  @Globehoax  And yet we can answer questions & provide evidence while after two years you have yet to do either.
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  2033. They have assorted gurus but no leader; any gurus changing their minds would be hailed as proof of government manipulation.
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  2034. "Globe is a Hoax" here will be happy to not provide them for you :-)
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  2035. No.
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  2036.  @KangenAlec  If you claim the FE has no edge so what are you claiming is round exactly?
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  2037.  @KangenAlec  Bit if, as you claim, the Flat Earth has no edge, how could there be an edge for him to see?
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  2038. @Aunty Mary Difficult to know if he’s a troll or delusional.
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  2039. Because there is nothing possible about it and despite all their clamour FE'ers can't come up with anything to support the notion other than ignorance & incredulity and can't even agree on what it is they're claiming.
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  2040.  @davidwhitten179  FE'ers have great difficulty with the concepts of measurement and scale or seemingly anything involving numbers.
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  2041. FE’ers tend to get hammered in debates.
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  2042. What do you think we do in labs?
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  2043.  @luieflores5915  Whose instructions?
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  2044. How do you explain two celestial poles?
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  2045. I take it you’ve never seen a research paper.
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  2046. You realise that the Koran was written a millennium after it was deduced the Earth was a sphere?
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  2047. Lunar eclipses are the Earth’s shadow. Lunar phases are due to the relative position of sun, moon and Earth determining how much of the sunlit side of the moon we see.
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  2048. Except it doesn’t…
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  2049. Worse - ancient Hebrew didn’t have separate words for circle & sphere, relying on context to distinguish the intent. FE’ers rely on translations.
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  2050. If you listened to all of what Tyson said he went on to describe how tiny the deviations are from a perfect sphere.
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  2051.  @Globeishoax  It means it’s backed by extensive evidence whereas you serm incapable of producing anything.
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  2052. You realise there are multiple space agencies world wide? If one tried faking something they would be rapidly caught out.
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  2053.  @Alesana907  No, they did not say that. Aldrin's comment was that the technology had been lost, essentially through attrition by time. It does seem really hard for some people to grasp that in 50 years the world has moved in on in terms of technology (computers, materials, manufacturing techniques) and in personnel (the original designers are retired & dead). Much of the work was done by contractors who have had no reason to maintain records for 50 years or keep people adept in 50 years technology. The problem is getting sufficient mass for a manned project out of low orbit, something that is going to apply whether the target is moon or Mars. In terms of life support, it is necessary to design systems that last longer than the 2 weeks required for Apollo, something that gain applies to Mars mission & building a lunar base.
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  2054.  @Alesana907  They have the blueprints and they have the notes made by the people who made the on the fly changes as they built the different Apollo craft (final product would not match what is in the starting blueprints). The blueprints make use of 1970's technology; the people building the craft were using 1970's knowledge and manufacturing processes; merely that the blueprints exist does not make them compatible with 2020's technology. Even if people regressed to using 1970's technology, the final product would be single use craft able to take only 3 people on a 2 week only mission to only the moon where they could spend only a couple of hours working on a moonbase. It's far more practical to take what was learned and design entirely new craft with 2020's technology that are capable of fulfilling the intended missions, ie., building a moon base and a months long mission to Mars. Do note that much of the equipment used was made by outside contractors, not NASA directly. Unlike government archives they have had no incentive to hang on to 50 year old records that require the use of 50 year old technology and 50 year old manufacturing practices.
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  2055.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist….
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  2056. A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2057.  @Globeisahoax  He’s an expert on explaining the inherent stupidity of FE.
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  2058.  @KangenAlec  Does that include the ISS visibly passing overhead?
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  2059.  @KangenAlec  Following a constant velocity regardless of weather, for 20 years longer than any other balloon and triangulating at 200 miles above the atmosphere? How?
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  2060.  @KangenAlec  You can track the motion of the sun with a stick and its shadow; is a stick a sophisticated tool?
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  2061.  @KangenAlec  None of them claim the Earth is flat and very few claim everything is literal.
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  2062. How did they get half a hemisphere in the shot?
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  2063.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in your evidence….
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  2064. The ancient Greeks determined it 2500 years ago.
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  2065. Lunar phases are due to you seeing some if the unlit dude of the moon as it orbits the Earth. Lunar eclipses are caused by the Earth’s shadow as sun, Earth and moon come into direct alignment; the shadow is always circular. Folks like Kangen there is an invisible and totally undetectable body that suddenly becomes opaque at just the right time to cause an eclipse.
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  2066.  @KangenAlec  They couldn't take out what wasn't in. Too difficult a concept for you?
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  2067.  @KangenAlec  And yet you still can’t explain how the sun’s size & motion, the angle to Polaris and two celestial poles is compatible with a FE while some of us explain misconceptions over and over and over and over and over with no understanding or countering by the super-duper, all knowing FE brains. Does it not concern you that you can’t answer people’s questions?
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  2068. FE’ers seem to have no concept of measurement or scale.
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  2069.  @KangenAlec  Evidence of a rocket hitting the dome? Presumably the rocket where the propulsion shuts off as programmed, supposedly smashing into the dome at several hundred miles per hour without even jarring the camera?
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  2070.  @Globeisahoaxx  Gleason azimuthal projection of the globe.
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  2071. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude; that is how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe. Since then we have accurate navigation and cartography that has the surface fully mapped; it fits only a sphere. We now have geodesy (measurement of Earth’s shape to the cubic metre), satellites in orbit taking several full hemisphere pictures per hour and the ISS is visibly orbiting overhead. How much evidence is needed to qualify as existing?
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  2072.  @KangenAlec  So whats your explanation for the attraction in theCavendish experiment? You still have said what your universal cause and cure got cancer is. Why not?
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  2073. Which government?
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  2074.  @KangenAlec  How can the FE sun move on a circle 1000's of miles in diameter and remain only 50 miles from you?
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  2075. Because it sounds plausible coming from conmen and appeals to those who want to be “in the know”.
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  2076. The ancient Greeks had determined it in 500BC; the Ptolemaic system (100AD) was based on a spherical Earth.
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  2077.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t said how you took measurements…
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  2078. The shape of the Earth is a fact, not a theory. Since it ignores facts, FE doesn't even qualify as a hypothesis.
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  2079. Detectable material left there and verifiable material brought back. How was that managed without going?
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  2080. Take a look at Professor Dave Explains, particularly "Destroying Flat Earth Without Using Science - Part 3: Airplanes".
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  2081.  @KangenAlec  Because they are actual or willful idiots.
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  2082. Hell N Degenerates An apparent force arising from the curvature of space-time.
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  2083. "global economic collapse which happened a year ago" The effects of which are only becoming apparent now? Why the delay? "the virus changes every 100 transmissions" No, single nucleotide changes gradually occur; there is no sudden massive change in genome. "This is enough that a new vaccine has to derived every 6 months for the flu alone" There are multiple strains of flu virus; which strain is prevalent changes from year to year. New vaccines do not need to be developed each year; the problem is determining which vaccine is going to be needed and it takes time to create sufficient stocks. "a virus cannot evolve, it is not alive in the true sense. It has no metabolic rate, no dna, and cannot reproduce on it's own" While coronaviruses are RNA viruses rather than DNA viruses, both are nucleic acids and the same principles of evolution apply. The genes can potentially mutate during reproduction; that that occurs in an invaded cell is irrelevant. "this virus has done something that has never happened" Hardly. "Event 2 must have been a bacterial infection that caused the bulk of deaths" Why would some people getting the flu make other people susceptible to bacterial infections? You do realise that the Spanish flu was not limited to the US?
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  2084. Since 500BC when the ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere.
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  2085.  @ashempire527  No; it was believed that the beneficial effects outweighed the harmful ones, e.g., smoker's cough was outweighed by the calming effect. Only as people started living longer and the general state of health improved did it become apparent how much harm smoking could do. Decisions are made by what is known at the time, not what will be known.
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  2086.  @hellanddegenerates398  Why not?
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  2087.  @SanRafaelSwell  He never provides evidence, just expects people to be smitten with his insight.
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  2088. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  2089.  @sableev984  He noted how large the unexplored area of Antartica was.
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  2090.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes..
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  2091.  @wakey4286  No explanation ever provided for lunar phases, just endless claims that they know why.
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  2092.  @KangenAlec  And you can’t explain anything...
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  2093. The scientists can provide evidence, the FE'ers can't and the video is "middle ground".
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  2094.  @Globeishoax  Telescopes.
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  2095. Some people visualise a 25-250 mile circumference rather than 25000 miles and demand explanations for why they don’t see the curvature of the smaller globe.
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  2096.  @Globeisahoax  Yesterday you were saying you knew it was endless water. Why haven’t any of you produced evidence for troops, bans, icewalls etc? What’s the hold-up for the people who profess to have it all?
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  2097.  @Globeisahoax  Youre the chap who can’t answer any questions about FE…
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  2098.  @Globeisahoax  Loran was decommissioned decades ago. What’s your evidence of the dome?
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  2099.  @bluehornedram7694  Why would movement of the Earth mean death to all life? How do you distinguish between the stars or Earth moving from the relative motion of the stars?
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  2100. What’s your evidence of photos bring doctored? The Earth was deduced to be a sphere c. 500BC from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and lunar eclipses. Still waiting on FE’er explanations for how those are possible on a FE. Since then the surface has been fully mapped, the measured distances being consistent only with a globe. Photographs are the icing on the cake.
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  2101.  @Globeisahoax  What magnification & resolution are needed for such a shot? You’ve had a year to give a few numbers and all you ever do is moan that nobody answers your question. And, yet again, when down is towards the centre of the globe then there is no top & bottom.
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  2102. Funny thing is that none of you are willing to explain, just expect other people to be flabbergasted by your erudition that you all say you have.
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  2103.  @ashleymilian6679  Why can’t you explain? Doesn’t it bother you that you can’t?
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  2104. They probably did; the video has been heavily edited, hence the sharp cutoffs in the discussion.
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  2105. Science is always in an ongoing process. There is evidence pointing towards the existence of dark matter; its properties can be at least partially hypothesised from the evidence. From there we can work on finding proof. Galactic scale gravity not “many of their explanations“.
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  2106.  @KangenAlec  What stops it illuminating part of the FE exactly? Why doesn’t the light intensity drop as you predict?
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  2107. Three of them give their specific posts; it isn’t difficult to track them to see if they are real people.
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  2108.  @KangenAlec  It would greatly help his search if such map actually existed.
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  2109. The works was deduced to be a sphere 2000 years before Columbus. His idea was that the world was far smaller than measured and it was feasible for the old sailing ships to sail westwards across the Pacific/Atlantic to the Far East.
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  2110.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on an explanation for how it would only illuminate an irregular part of a FE.
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  2111.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map. Come up with the one you all claim to possess.
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  2112. They din’t explain it and usually deny other planets exist.
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  2113.  @tbrown3356  You mean you have no grasp of size and assume 25,000 miles should look like 25 miles. You haven't explained how the stars act as they do; try actually doing instead of denying it.
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  2114.  @tbrown3356  WGS84. The measured circumference is 24,900 miles and all spheres have 360 degrees in their circumference. Not difficult. You still haven’t explained how you believe Polaris exists at all points along an infinite axis. You’re one of the FE geniuses with the knowledge and understanding so answer the question.
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  2115.  @tbrown3356  Why does perspective on a FE vary according the direction and the object being viewed? Most people's understanding of perspective is the decline of apparent size with increasing direction from the observer; it varies only according to viewing distance, is constant for all dimensions, doesn't vary between objects and isn't going to make anything disappear from the bottom up. Obviously FE'ers have figured out Real Perspective; please explain how it works. "The stars move east to west according to objective cardinal directions" You're saying that the heavens are cylindrical with no visible centre(s) of rotation and everybody sees the same stars? How does that reconcile with two celestial poles and visible constellations varying with latitude?
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  2116.  @KangenAlec  You consider “my guru told me” to be proof the earth is flat?
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  2117. If you mean praying then it would be difficult to avoid.
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  2118. It doesn't; the OT was written before it was known the Earth was a globe and that is reflected in how people couched things but it doesn't explicitly state the Earth is flat.
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  2119. Opposite way to down :-)
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  2120. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2121.  @mswogger9124  Read what I wrote. Scientific theories are based on extensive evidence, not belief.
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  2122.  @mswogger9124  In the Bible someone makes an unsupported statement and it is accepted as a revelatory truth because, well, it just gotta be 'cos it's in the BIble. In science I have to back what I am saying with evidence, laying out the methodology so other people can check it works and replicate what I did, just for one fact to be established as reliable. Scientific theories take decades of work by thousands of independently-working people before they are accepted. BIg Bang theory is still the Big Bang theory. Nobody said we never know.
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  2123. M Swogger Experimentation and observation, in this case genomic analysis. Exasperation with people holding two entirely different standards for evidence as comparable. You’ll accept something as fact merely because someone made an unsupported statement in the Bible but dismiss combustion theory as belief even while driving your car.
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  2124. How far you can see is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction, not by curvature alone. When all factors are taken into account you can see as far as you should see. Skipping factors does not enable anybody to see too far; their maths are wrong. Himawari-8 and Elektro-L are in geostationary orbit taking single-frame, full hemisphere shots photos at least once per hour. You can see how night & day move on the globe as it rotates. EPIC is in L1 position, taking photographs hourly and you can see the Earth revolving. At one revolution per day (half the speed of a clock's hour hand), you are not going to get a blur of motion. The incapability to think beyond one particular picture is not profound insight on FE'ers part but willful ignorance. Scientific theories are built on fact; they are not hunches or guesses (the vernacular meaning of theory) but explanations for the facts that produce accurate prediction that substantiates their accuracy. Any claim that a scientist makes is supported by methodology & evidence. We actively pursue new facts; we do not repeat everything from books. We do not spend our time in a high school classroom gogin over high school textbooks but we are busy actually advancing the subjects we specialise in.
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  2125.  @oci3145  Ignore my reply if it appears.
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  2126.  @Globeisahoax  Enoch is in the Apocrypha, not the Bible.
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  2127. @Luke Skyballer Unless you can get Atlas to hold you up 🙂
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  2128. You seem to be having no qualms about using a phone or computer.
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  2129.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how the sun’s observable motion is compatible with the very different FE prediction. .
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  2130. Producing evidence of something is the professional way, something that FE’ers really interested in. What would be the advantage of fooling everybody that the Earth is a different shape? What would be the gain for pouring in a fortune every year in bribery and dual functioning technology?
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  2131.  @davidsturges3559  Losing money certainly. Be the first to explain how you could make enough money to recoup even just the expenditure.
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  2132.  @davidsturges3559  Answer my question. How do you manage to confuse photos and paintings?
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  2133.  @davidsturges3559  Photos were taken long before Photoshop existed and now you’re confusing computer graphics with paintings. Do you know what paint is?
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  2134.  @davidsturges3559  And you can’t tell the difference between paint, photographs & computer graphics?
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  2135.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t provided any examples of NASA fakery.
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  2136. Someone’s work is judged upon its own merits, not the religious beliefs of the author.
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  2137.  @KangenAlec  He said the Earth was a globe and he was trying to transmit electricity (and failed), not harvest free energy.
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  2138.  @InsertNameHereCO  Kangen doesn’t have any evidence much less proof. He just feels he is “enlightened”, wishes to educate people, spouts his garbage and insists questioning him is harassment.
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  2139. No explanation ever provided for how the FE sun is powered, what keeps it up, what makes it move, what makes it change course, how it isn’t subject to the “Law of Perspective” or his it rises& sets without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon but FE’ers are quite sure their explanations are correct.
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  2140.  @Globeishoaxx  You seem to think you know but very mysteriously you can never explain how.
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  2141.  @Globeisahoax  He demonstrated that the Earth rotated.
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  2142. No religion teaches the Earth is flat. The earliest books in the OT were written when it was commonly assumed the Earth was flat but they do not teach the Earth to be flat.
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  2143.  @anonymousanonymous2319  The Hebrew used a common word for curve & sphere, relying on context to distinguish between the two. FE selectively interpret what they want to see; they never explain how a circle can have four corners.
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  2144.  @KangenAlec  Where did the water come from and where did it go?
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  2145. As I understand it, the Hebrew word simply refers to roundness.
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  2146.  @KangenAlec  Why can it only illuminate a small area at a time when there is nothing blocking the light from travelling further?
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  2147.  @KangenAlec  He just says that happens but offers no explanation of evidence beyond “it just gotta be that way”. I’m asking you; answer the question.
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  2148.  @Globeisahoax  If there are so many proofs at your fingertips why can’t you produce any of them?
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  2149.  @KangenAlec  From the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  2150.  @KangenAlec  Those who can grasp they are not the only observer in a 7bn+ population can cooperate on taking measurements.
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  2151. Earth causes lunar eclipses, not lunar phases. Phases are due to the moon's orbit around Earth and how much of the sunlit side of the moon we can see.
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  2152.  @KangenAlec  You could start by explaining why the sun moves differently to what you’re claiming.
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  2153. Why would you need a higher power? Why wouldn’t gravity & time suffice?
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  2154.  @KangenAlec  And I've being replying, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require. In six months, nothing but crickets from you.
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  2155.  @KangenAlec  And yet you are communicating using science you say doesn't work...
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  2156. Nobody has proven the existence of God.
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  2157.  @trashboat4211  Again the two are not the same; lack of proof for one is not proof in favour of the other.
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  2158.  @HiHowAreYa  400 million year old fossil fish; time enough for tectonic plate shift to have formed Everest.
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  2159.  @HiHowAreYa  I never said that he didn’t. The sequential writers drew on what had been written before. I never said I wasn’t; I object to facts being changed or ignored to fit a literal understanding of the Bible.
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  2160.  @HiHowAreYa  Fish fossils becoming fish skeletons.
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  2161.  @HiHowAreYa  One of your earlier comments.
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  2162.  @HiHowAreYa  fish skeletons =/= 400 million year old fossils How explicit do I need to be?
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  2163.  @HiHowAreYa  And the “evidence” you put forward for that required you to turn fossils into skeletons.
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  2164. Back in the Bronze Age.
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  2165.  @KangenAlec  Nobody’s encountered an ice wall during circumpolar flights.
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  2166.  @KangenAlec  You think NASA lies and your guru doesn't? Did you not understand the OP?
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  2167. ONE picture was a composite. ONE! Look up Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC.
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  2168. You're confusing the vernacular meaning with the scientific use of theory. Scientific theories are comprehensive explanations for a natural phenomenon, well-substantiated by extensive evidence, garnered through experimentation and observation. All alternatives have been disproved; no evidence has been found to disprove the theory. Since you can never prove something absolutely it can't be declared a fact since the probability always remains that future evidence may disprove or call into doubt the theory. To us the word hypothesis equates to the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2169.  @youcantreversebob9786  A accepted model is not assumed to work: it has extensively and always makes accurate predictions. It would not be accepted if it didn't make accurate predictions in line with observable reality. Any model has to based on testable fact and be tested. "it is really totally inaccurate to relate a theory with "guessing"." Yes. Every aspect gets tested to be sure it is reflecting an accurate representation of reality. That is what the prior experimentation and observation were for.
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  2170. When you get consistent answers coming at the problem from several different angles then it isn't worth spending more time & money on that particular question unless you have a plausible alternative. When don't stop asking questions, we just move on.
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  2171. Do you want to explain how the Earth being a globe would hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god?
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  2172.  @yugawtbhigbawls9172  How exactly would it hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god?
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  2173.  @yugawtbhigbawls9172  No, you spoke of the Bible but made no explanation how you think it would constrict the abilities of an omnipotent, omnipresent god. Try doing it.
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  2174.  @yugawtbhigbawls9172  Try me.
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  2175.  @KangenAlec  Still no clue about the magnification required? I would have thought it a simple question.
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  2176.  @jna_customkicks9087  Darn it - much prefer jam 🙁
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  2177. The Emperor penguins are equipped with SAMs to shoot down all the planes.
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  2178. Who are these real scientists?
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  2179.  @kirinc-s.7156  Too difficult for Kangen to grasp.
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  2180. What images would you accept?
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  2181. The Earth was determined to be a globe c. 500BC. The shift from geocentric to heliocentric system was in the 17th century.
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  2182. Closed ecosystem.
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  2183.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting for you explanation of FE perspective making something disappear from the bottom up. What’s taking you so long?
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  2184.  @KangenAlec  Who in their right mind would think there are invisible emanations in the air that could transfer information between machines?
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  2185.  @Globeishoaxx  He didn’t explain any of it.
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  2186.  @guyjosephs5654  They would have to get through the impenetrable dome that Kangen says exists.
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  2187.  @KangenAlec  If nobody can get to these "extra lands" then how would anybody make money from them?
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  2188.  @noobslayermeister  It took a few centuries to become accepted. A spherical Earth was the centerpoint of the Ptolemaic system from around 100AD; that was the accepted model until telescopes were invented.
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  2189. The evidence all supports a sphere while FE’ers rely on ignorance & incredulity; denying evidence and proclaiming ignorance to be profound knowledge & understanding is not helpful to human society.
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  2190.  @Globeisahoax  You consider the bungled “experiments” done by FE’ers to be Real Science despite the gaping holes & assumptions in the methodology?
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  2191.  @Globeisahoax  It doesn't. Why don't you try answering?
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  2192.  @Globeisahoax  Explain how the sun maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day.
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  2193.  @Globeisahoax  Total FE “evidence” is “I don’t see how…” even when it is explained to you and the evidence out in front if you. Meanwhile you’re incapable of answering questions put to you.
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  2194. You realise we determined that the Earth was a sphere 2500 years before NASA existed?
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  2195.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  2196.  @kendrickthomas9828  FE is heavily dependent on the Law of Just Does.
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  2197.  @kendrickthomas9828  How does it work? It just does.
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  2198.  @kendrickthomas9828  I'm pointing out that "just does" is as far as FE'er reasoning has taken them :-)
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  2199.  @ww3659  Yet curiously none of you can provide the evidence when you have all the time in the world.
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  2200. A single frame shot with an analogue camera is not real because...? EPIC taking shots every hour isn’t real because....? Himawari-8 & Elektro-L don’t count because...?
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  2201.  Yuck Kunt  Every theory starts as s hypothesis. There’s no progression from theory to law.
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  2202.  Yuck Kunt  That gravity exists is demonstrable and the phenomenon described by the Law of Gravity. The theory is why it occurs and is open to change as more evidence is accumulated.
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  2203.  Yuck Kunt  The law is not going to change unless there has been an unlikely cock-up on how we see the world.
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  2204.  @MrYorick271  A law is simply a statement of the observed relationship between different factors; it offers no explanation for why that relationship occurs or how it functions. The Law If Gravity simply describes an attraction that is proportional to the product of their masses and inversely proportional to the square of the distance separating them. A hypothesis is an untested and thus unproven postulate. A scientific theory is an explanation of s natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It’s as near as you get to proven in science. It remains unproven only in the sense that nothing can be proven absolutely. A scientific theory is as high as you can get in science.
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  2205.  @KangenAlec  Explain how they managed to sail a fleet through continents.
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  2206.  @KangenAlec  Why are the people who have done the research unable to explain anything?
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  2207. It would shrink down to about quarter its size before it started approaching again. FE’ers can’t explain how it would light only a limited area at a time except by claiming it is a spotlight, though they can’t explain why it would remain circular from an oblique angle or have such a misshapen lit area.
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  2208.  @Globeisahoax  Why isn’t it surprising that the people who claim the horizon is just perspective have no clue about perspective?
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  2209.  @Globeisahoax  Whose entire videos are “I don’t see how therefore I am profoundly knowledgeable”.
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  2210. Through observation. They realised the lunar eclipse was the Earth’s shadow and the only shape that would always have a circular cross-section was a sphere. This was in agreement with objects appearing & disappearing over the horizon.
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  2211.  @stacet7837  How do you envisage the Elites are manipulating the sun & stars? Do you think Canute could hold back the tide?
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  2212.  @KangenAlec  Really? None of you can produce evidence that the globe is incorrect much less that the Earth is flat.
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  2213.  @KangenAlec  Then produce those photos.
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  2214.  @KangenAlec  I have; he explicitly spoke of the then unexplored area of Antarctica.
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  2215. FE’ers are mindless sheep all right, just swallowing whatever bilge the internet feeds them. Getting them to look anything up is nigh on impossible.
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  2216.  @KangenAlec  "it’s observable reality" You've never explained why you think the sun behaves differently to observed reality. Not going to try?
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  2217.  @jbignJesus  Observing the relative motion of two bodies will not tell you which (if either) is stationary. On a FE the sun wouldn’t get sufficient distance away from the observer to appear to rise & set yet it happens. The smaller & lower you make the FE sun the greater the change in angular velocity & diameter you would observe, at odds with the observed constant angular velocity & diameter.
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  2218. 1. To get more money to keeping fooling people as they have been doing for millennia before NASA existed. 2. To hide God. 3. Believing the Earth is round gives the <insert name of personal bogeymen> total control over your mind. (You did ask...)
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  2219.  @eliminator5102  How would the Earth being a globe hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god?
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  2220.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how anybody would gain money & power through hiding a FE.
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  2221.  @Globeisahoax  You've been answered repeatedly; you can't get your head around the concept of angles.
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  2222.  @photostudio5861  I keep asking how density could act as a force and how the FE sun could maintain a constant angular diameter and velocity but no answers yet.
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  2223. They assume an effect (not seeing the boat) can only have one cause. Both horizon and limited visual acuity would cause the boat to disappear and they assume visual acuity would account for everything. They don’t bother calculating where the horizon would be or consider why they can’t zoom the set sun back into view.
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  2224.  @KangenAlec  You don’t believe in measuring distance.
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  2225. You can demonstrate it with sticks & shadows. The motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations varying by latitude can all be personally verified and have been by innumerable people.
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  2226.  @KangenAlec  Because people like you keep saying there is.
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  2227.  @luci4403  He says all photos of the globe are “artist’s impressions” and considers an artist impression (sketched from beyond the impenetrable done) to be genuine. Their reasoning capabilities are limited.
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  2228. Dust; it would reduce visibility on the FE to several hundred miles, 2-3 fold further than the record long distance shot.
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  2229. Towards the centre of the object; since the ground is solid we get stopped from moving closer to the centre. On a FE the angle of gravity would vary across the world, becoming increasingly oblique relative to the ground with increasing distance.
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  2230. Like every federal body they file such reports every year.
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  2231.  @andrewreynold1468  Nobody is stopping you asking questions but you do have to be willing to listen to the answers.
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  2232.  Hell N Degenerates  You've been getting them since the 1950's.
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  2233. That’s what Sellotape was invented for 😊
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  2234.  @MoinKhan-wv5qw  Some people have difficulty thinking in 3D and assume a rocket moving into orbit would remain above their heads regardless of its speed rather than disappearing over the horizon.
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  2235.  @KangenAlec  They haven’t realised, despite the blurb that came with the camera, that their cameras lack resolution and light sensitivity to take such pictures.
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  2236.  @KangenAlec  When you debate the curvature per mile the size is very important.
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  2237.  @Globeisahoax  It is considerably larger than the 25 mile circumference that FE’ers envisage.
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  2238.  @Globeisahoax  Only when you consider the flights in the very northern latitudes and fail to comprehend what a direct line on a globe surface looks like on a projected map. Still waiting on the FE explanation for direct flights between the southern continents that would exceed the planes' abilities on the FE map; are you going to divulge the secret this time?
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  2239.  @hmgrraarrpffrzz9763  The direct routes on a globe follow the the great circle route and appear as a straight line across the surface of the globe. When projected onto a flat surface they are distorted into a curve. FE'ers draw a straight line on a 2D projection and think they've proven something when the actual route doesn't match their line. In the high northern latitudes on a flat a straight looks plausible but the further south you go the plausible it becomes and eventually the supposed FE route passes beyond the planes' capabilities. When the straight line to curved distortion is accounted for, all the globe flights make sense.
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  2240.  @Globeishoaxx  We can provide abundant evidence, you can’t provide anything.
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  2241.  @Globeishoax  The “evidence” you have provided is just you endlessly burbling “it’s flat, it’s flat, it’s flat” and blocking people who ask you for evidence.
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  2242.  @KangenAlec  And yet no studio has ever replicated that ability in film or TV.
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  2243. You aren’t going to supply any evidence to back your claim of NASA’s untrustworthiness?
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  2244.  @Globeishoax  I just supplied you with proof; are you blind?
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  2245.  @Globeisahoax  Only if the FE sun was below cloud level. Why can planes fly above the clouds but not above the sun?
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  2246. Greek was used in the NT, centuries after the Earth was deduced to be a globe. The OT was written in Hebrew which had a common word for circle & sphere.
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  2247.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes exist….
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  2248.  @Globeisahoaxx  Why no explanation from you for the existence of two poles on a supposedly FE?
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  2249.  @KangenAlec  How would you know any of that without looking?
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  2250.  @KangenAlec  How does the Southern Hemisphere summer work when there is more darkness in the FE than in winter?
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  2251. Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris changing with latitude, horizons, eclipses; the ancient Greeks deduced the world was a sphere in 500BC. It isn’t necessary for something to be seen in person to determine its existence.
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  2252.  @a.i.canvas  Asking FE’ers to produce their evidence & reasoning is bullying? They claim to have it all figured and want to enlighten people so why shouldn’t they be questioned?
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  2253.  @KangenAlec  Your "real eyes" can see the sun therefore it just gotta be close?
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  2254. The video has been heavily edited; most of it is missing from here.
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  2255.  @KangenAlec  Yet again blockhead: motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles...
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  2256. ​ @KangenAlec  They would be able to see Australia but the "bottom" you are visualising is Antarctica.
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  2257. A tiny fraction of the amount that the military receives.
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  2258. The trouble is that it is easy to demonstrate to yourself that the Earth is a sphere, e.g., the motion of the sun, and easier still to disprove the Earth being flat. You aren't reliant on your bogeymen to provide the evidence. "Scientific communities operate to form their best understanding based off of what is available to them, and they spend their entire lives educating themselves within this sphere" Science is no passive learning; we engage in experimentation. That is what labs are for. "his study is actually very fascinating and easily replicable" Not under controlled conditions.
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  2259.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2260. Have you ever considered dividing 360 by 25,000?
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  2261.  @phildavenport4150  It does seem a common misconception that Columbus proved the Earth was round; I assume it stems from there.
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  2262.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again, twit: when down is towards the centre of the globe there is no top & bottom. Very simple concept.
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  2263. DishTV ran an Earth channel for a few years showing the live view of the Earth. Doesn’t satisfy them. The ISS has external cameras providing a live feed; that doesn’t satisfy them.
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  2264.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t provided evidence there is such a Pact or where Byrd mentioned extra continents or ETs.
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  2265.  @KangenAlec  It was a partial shot of the Earth with a nicely curved horizon. 200 proofs has been debunked countless times; it doesn't take much thought to realise an ocean and a flea have vastly different masses but that does seem beyond some people's understanding.
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  2266. What you see depends on how high the camera goes and what sort of camera you send. With a fairly narrow angle of view the camera needs to be taken up above c. 100,000ft before the horizon is perceptibly curved; most launched balloons won't get that high. Some lenses also distort the picture towards the periphery, producing a concave or convex curve from early on.
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  2267.  @KangenAlec  You mean you can’t understand the science so you deny it exists. Why do you find the concept of measurement so difficult to comprehend?
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  2268. "they've lost faith with the obvious lies" And yet are happy to accept such from any Tom, Dick or Harry on YT even in direct contradiction to what their eyes tell them. "the methods available to you are suspect" Such as?
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  2269.  @daveofyorkshire301  There is the potential for a high rate of positive errors when using small sample groups in exploratory subjects. It is why conclusions are made after other people have obtained similar results. Few are actually going to be fabricated. Peer review is the pre-publication process and is done by 2-3 people to ensure the premise, methods & conclusions are adequate. Post-publication review is where attempts are made to reproduce and expand upon the results. Some doesn’t work despite there being nothing wrong with original paper simply due to statistical limitations. Single papers are not typically used for policy decisions. You may find examples of particular papers being quoted but decisions are not made solely on that paper. The public sees a very filtered version of results, either hearing the conclusions drawn from multiple sources or seeing isolated papers referred to in newspaper science & technology sections. Some get the idea that is the sum total of what we are doing, others complain because conclusions change with time as research progresses.
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  2270.  @KangenAlec  The people who claim to have found a secret clause in a publicly accessible document aren’t lying? Where is this clause exactly? Step up to your destiny and be the first FE’er to say. Telescopes.
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  2271.  @Globeishoax  As he said, none of you can explain sunrise & sunset.
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  2272. There were empty seats on the Tesla car; they wouldn't be able to claim the windows were just TV screens.
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  2273.  @KangenAlec  What magnification and camera resolution do you think would be necessary to do it?
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  2274. The “bubbles” don’t behave like bubbles but do behave like out-of-focus objects drifting in space. Nobody can ever see these wires. Some people can’t seem to understand hair is attached to people’s heads and doesn’t move of its own accord. Still waiting on evidence that all are masons; “they just gotta be” is not evidence. On the ground on Earth for take-off; remote control on the moon-buggy for the three attempts to film liftoff in the moon. It’s news when Chicago is visible in Michigan. News. The out of usual, the novel. Do you understand?
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  2275. Check the video 10 Things That All Flatearthers Say.
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  2276. To feel special as one of the “enlightened”.
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  2277. “Why do we need to cross a long journey...” Because the globe is big.
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  2278.  @KangenAlec  Friday.
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  2279.  @KangenAlec  Like why the dimwits demanding it are still denying it?
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  2280.  @0rangebanana  I realise that FE’er brains shut down at the first point they reach but most people have no problems grasping that a word can have different meanings according to context. I’m sorry to hear that you can’t comprehend that.
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  2281. ​ @0rangebanana  Look up Karl Popper on WIkipedia or elsewhere and try to learn something before opening your mouth.
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  2282.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2283.  @Globeisahoax  You could prove it by launching them into space and ejecting them via the airlock. The right trajectory and they could have hours before they burned up to expound on why they think it isn’t happening. Do you want to volunteer?
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  2284. The search algorithms downgrade claims of a FE and such videos come with a earning, usually a Wikipedia link describing FE as an archaic concept.
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  2285. Eratosthenes was the first to measure the Earth; it had been deduced to be a sphere about two centuries earlier. When his experiment is carried out with three or more sticks the Earth is demonstrated not to be flat which is why they insist it isn't done.
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  2286.  @KangenAlec  One again, blockhead: they used motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris....
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  2287.  @milliegriffin8402  They're either trolls or a wilful idiots.
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  2288.  @Globeishoax  what have you done to measure the distance of the sun? (You’ve had over a year to answer - what’s so difficult?) How did you determine the sun runs off electricity? How do you propose it be harvested?
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  2289.  @KangenAlec  Given a sphere with a circumference of 25,000 miles, how many degrees curvature would you expect to find per mile? "Gun can hit targets 100 miles with a straight shot" Straight as in no deviation to the left or right; the missile travels in an arc.
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  2290.  @KangenAlec  Why would a dome that exists only in your imagination be a barrier to anything?
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  2291. It’s a fixed shape; the shape was deduced millenia ago and it has since been mapped, measured and even repeatedly photographed. It is not a hypothetical concept. What evidence do you think would change all that?
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  2292.  @mikewilliams3310  There is a significant difference between piecing together history millenia after the fact and measuring a physical object. What piece of Earth might be hidden and how?
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  2293. "The Government" is not the main source of information, much less the only one.
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  2294.  @vtaylor21  There seems to be a common assumption that all information arises from one source, e.g., The Government writes all textbooks, tells scientists what data & conclusions to arrive at, tells the media what to say etc. I think it's part of wanting a bogeyman rather than any understanding of we obtain information.
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  2295.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  2296. The tankers have yet to go over the horizon. Keep watching, using a telescope if necessary.
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  2297. No FE’ers willing to answer?
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  2298. ​ @KangenAlec  Who's been to the "edge"?
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  2299.  @KangenAlec  What stops the light reaching India?
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  2300. It’s heavily edited, hence the abrupt cuts.
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  2301. Still waiting on the compelling evidence against the Apollo landings. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  2302.  @Globeisahoax  Not circular.
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  2303. They think we are ill-educated and that they are well-informed as to The Truth. They aren’t fazed that we can answer questions and they can’t.
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  2304.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes then?
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  2305.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  2306.  @KangenAlec  It was never in.
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  2307. Biblical Hebrew used the same word for both, the context specifying 2D or 3D.
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  2308.  @KangenAlec  Let me guess - you alter the body’s pH?
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  2309. ​@Andy Smith If someone is open to accepting one conspiracy theory they are generally willing to accept others; the theories offer simple answers to complex situations and suggest that the believer understands what is happening around them.
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  2310.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles....
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  2311. Most of the OT was written a time when people still assumed the Earth to be flat and that is reflected in some of their phrasing. It is not a science textbook and it does not teach that the Earth is any particular shape.
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  2312. Example? Bear in mind that you not understanding how a scientific theory works does not mean you understand it doesn’t work.
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  2313.  @KangenAlec  "If the earth was flat, it would be a part of geocentric model." Why? Aside from the fact that the Ptolemaic model was based on a spherical Earth, why would the shape determine where it is? "sun and moon rotating above and under the Dome" In two places at once?
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  2314. It is recreated in high voltage labs.
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  2315. Nice display of ignorance. Theories are built on facts; they are not “declared fact”. Curvature is measurable & measured; that some idiots have no idea how to go about accurately measuring curvature does not disprove curvature. We have full hemisphere photographs of Earth; that one (Blue Marble 2 and do note the number 2) was stitched together from low orbit shots does not magically invalidate every photo ever taken.
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  2316. Romanticised version of events. Columbus maintained the Earth was smaller than believed, putting India within westwards sailing distance of Europe. In actuality the ships would have run out of fresh water & food if they hadn’t run into North America.
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  2317. As Kangen’s reply demonstrates, they don’t have an explanation.
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  2318.  @KangenAlec  How did NASA influence the ancient Greeks?
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  2319.  @Globeisahoax  What hapoened to the insurmountable ice-wall, impenetrable dome, supersize Antarctica and extra continents that you were advocating?
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  2320. "The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts." Bertrand Russell.
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  2321.  @KangenAlec  If they understood then they would be able to explain how it works. Instead we get things like "density makes objects fall" with no explanation ever profered how density could make anything move.
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  2322.  @KangenAlec  What magnification do you think is required?
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  2323.  @basinho0211  He can’t provide evidence of anything.
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  2324.  @KangenAlec  Once again - motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris....
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  2325. Spheroid.
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  2326.  @Globeisahoax  Which is a global projection.
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  2327.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  2328.  @Globeishoax  And you still haven't produced any evidence that exists outside of your head.
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  2329. Globebusters demonstrated rotation with a laser gyroscope.
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  2330.  @Globeisahoax  As has been pointed out to you, hospitals have departments; visiting an outpatient section tells you nothing of the ICU. The key word being pandemic and what would be required if & when a pandemic occurred. You keep saying everybody’s dying after taking the shots.
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  2331.  @Globeisahoax  If it’s a fact then why are you unable to answer even basic questions?
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  2332.  @Globeisahoax  You mean you consider “they just do” to be an adequate explanation.
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  2333. Scientific meaning of theory retains the original philosophical meaning rather than the newer vernacular meaning: it’s a comprehensive explanation for a phenomenon, once that is well-substantiated with extensive evidence and observations. In science nothing can be proved absolutely since there are an infinite number of circumstances to which the theory applies,each of which would have to be tested. Ideally you seek to disprove a hypothesis to avoid the trap of simply carrying out experiments that would give you the results you would like to hear.
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  2334.  @KangenAlec  How come they’re never affected by the weather?
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  2335.  @Globeishoaxx  “I then realized “ You sank into denial of what you can observe & measure for yourself and embraced what none of you can ever provide evidence & explanations for.
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  2336.  @Globeisahoax  “you need to provide proof” Yet again - motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Answer the questions asked of you.
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  2337.  @Globeisahoax  What's your explanation for where lava comes from and how the geology behind why it comes up?
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  2338. They would still deny it.
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  2339. Balloons that are totally unaffected by weather, that move across the sky to a strict timetable with either no propulsion system or an endless supply of fuel and that have a lifetime of years rather than hours.
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  2340.  @phildavenport4150  Hot air from conspiracy theorists?
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  2341.  @Globeisahoax  And the sphere is repeatedly demonstrated with sticks & shadows.
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  2342.  @Globeisahoax  And we are still waiting on you to provide the evidence or reconcile it with the artist’s model in the video that you were hailing as definitive.
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  2343.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t said what magnification that would require.
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  2344.  @KangenAlec  Do you understand the difference between 25 and 25000?
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  2345.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence from you....
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  2346.  @Globeisahoaxx  The shape of the Earth is irrelevant to how clockwork runs.
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  2347.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees.
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  2348.  @cvscvs2  There is a difference between wanting to know the evidence for a conclusion and espousing an automatic distrust.
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  2349.  @KangenAlec  You've been given abundant evidence but you can't even acknowledge the existence of telescopes.
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  2350. “To fool you” is the most plausible one put forward.
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  2351.  @RinoGaming-bd7dm  Gravity.
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  2352.  @KangenAlec  You have still to provide any evidence for the dome’s existence. If it did exist then there would be even air pressure throughout the atmosphere; you need to explain how you think that matches to air pressure decreasing with increasing altitude. You claim to have all this so start producing something.
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  2353.  @KangenAlec  Why doesn’t the sun’s motion match your FE predictions?
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  2354.  @KangenAlec  You’re the man with the answers so answer the question.
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  2355.  @KangenAlec  Observation indicates otherwise; they rise & set, everybody sees the same face at the same time and their motions don’t match a FE model. How many times have I told you?
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  2356.  @KangenAlec  You haven't provided any evidence that it isn't a sphere, much less flat, and aren't interested in how you can confirm the sphere for yourself.
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  2357. Do you understand that an ocean and a butterfly have substantially different masses?
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  2358.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2359. ​ @cartoonkidzy3405  When the FE predicts that the sun doesn't rise & set and you can observe it every day what validity do you think the idea as? The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere around 500BC from the existence of horizons, the motion of the sun (constant angular velocity, rising & setting), lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow (only one shape has a circular cross-section from every angle), lunar phases, the stars changing with altitude. With some travel you can observe that we have two celestial poles, that the stars change as you move southwards and that the angle Polaris declines with altitude, becoming below the horizon south of the equator. Using a telescope equipped with a solar filter you can ascertain that he sun maintains a constant angular diameter through the course of the day, passes below the horizon and can't be zoomed back into view. With some phone calls you ascertain that everybody around the world sees the same lunar phase. With some travel or collaboration you can measure the angle to the sun at different locations with sticks & shadows and measure the curvature over the area covered. You can watch the ISS passing overhead on schedule unaffected (clouds aside) by the weather. You can get on a plane on one continent and fly direct to an airport on another continent, something achievable only with accurate maps. NASA was formed in 1958AD. No FE'er has explained how they think NASA is influencing the ancient Greeks. Pictures from orbit (Himwari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC are currently downloading several per hour) are the icing on the cake for soemthign that was proven millenia ago.
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  2360.  @Globeisahoax  No critique of what I said, just insults?
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  2361.  @cartoonkidzy3405  I pointed out to you that the globe was deduced c. 500BC while NASA was formed in 1958 AD and you think the latter preceded the former?
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  2362.  @cartoonkidzy3405  What point of information in my comment are you saying is incorrect and why?
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  2363.  @cartoonkidzy3405  Then pick one point that you think is wrong and say why otherwise you are just another handwaving FE’er.
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  2364. The video has been heavily edited; each questions cuts out early before anything concrete is produced by the scientists.
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  2365.  @KangenAlec  Doesn’t answer the question.
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  2366.  @dariusz078  Do any of you understand the concept of scale?
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  2367. It only lights a limited misshapen area because…er…reasons….
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  2368.  @GuardianSoulkeeper  I invoke the Law of Just Does! 😊
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  2369.  @Globeishoax  You still haven't said how you measured the distances. Why can't you say?
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  2370.  @KangenAlec  Why do they rotate in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere?
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  2371.  @foxjames3428  Tallest mountain is about 5 miles high; the radius is 3900 miles.
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  2372. It means someone who possesses expert knowledge of one of the physical or natural sciences.
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  2373. None of the explanations hold water. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there, verified material brought back and beautiful Cold War propaganda coup if the USSR easily demonstrated it was fraudulent. Something that would disprove one interpretation of several comments made in 1000BC & earlier is not going to discredit Christianity. To be gaining anything from resources in Antarctica has the fundamental requirement that they are being accessed.
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  2374. There are no hot spots in clouds; they would rapidly evaporate. The whole galaxy is rotating so the other stars are moving with ours and the sheer scale of distances means there would no change in stars’ position readily visible by eye from year to year. None of this takes much thinking through.
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  2375. They insist on real-time videos because they want to see the Earth revolving one per second or so.
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  2376.  @KangenAlec  When you can’t explain seasons on a FE how exactly do you think it proves FE?
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  2377.  @KangenAlec  Tilt is away from perpendicular to the orbital plane.
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  2378.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence to back that….
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  2379. There have been circumpolar flights snd it doesn’t satisfy them.
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  2380.  @KangenAlec  How would it cause lunar phases?
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  2381.  @AnnabelLee01  He simply denies that telescopes exist.
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  2382. That you can’t understand something does not make it nonsense.
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  2383.  @thejacka2936  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles - all personally verifiable and all totally pass by FE’ers.
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  2384.  @thejacka2936  Why do you think it is impossible to measure the angle to a Star with an equipped telescope?
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  2385. That horizons exist at all indicates the Earth is not flat; that there distance from the observer is calculable indicates a globe. The sun possesses a constant angular diameter and angular velocity throughout the course if the day, consistent with a globe and inconsistent with a FE); it’s inclination and rise & setting directions are consistent only with a globe. Polaris is only visible from the northern hemisphere and its inclination relative to latitude, again consistent with a globe. Two celestial poles indicates 3D geometry and is inconsistent with a FE; the visibility & position of the different stars is consistent only with s globe. If any of you Thinkers wants to maintain otherwise then you need to come up with a consistent mechanism, not piecemeal, mutually contradictory claims or hand-waving proclamations that we can’t know something that is clearly observable to anybody willing to look.
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  2386. Edited out, hence the cutoff with each question. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles, all of which you can check for yourself.
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  2387.  @KangenAlec  Why don’t the clouds disappear from the heat? Why can nobody fly over the sun? When the clouds layers are <5 miles high how does that agree with your notion if the sun being 50!miles away?
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  2388.  @KangenAlec  Still no explanation from you as to why the sun would only illuminate a limited area. You’re boasting his you’ve think it through and have all the answers so why not try providing them?
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  2389. Look up “10 ways to prove a round Earth” on the PopSci website. We’ve known for 2500 years that the Earth isn’t flat.
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  2390.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on you to provide an explanation for how you judge the distance, why triangulation with other observes indicate a remote sun, why it doesn't change size & speed through the course of the day and how it rises & sets. Try doing it.
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  2391.  @KangenAlec  "The size change is not observable" Lack of size change indicates distant, not local. The lower a local sun, the greater size change, particular the further FE south you go. Try explaining my other points.
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  2392.  @KangenAlec  And he’s asking you how that works. Why can you never answer?
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  2393.  @Globeisahoax  Geostationary satellites. You still haven’t explained how balloons would fulfill the role. You’re not very informative for someone who claims he has the answers.
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  2394. Still waiting on FE’ers to come up with this science.
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  2395. The moon orbits the globe; it spends half its time on the dayward side. "blue through the moon" THe sun illuminates one side of the moon. There is no light falling on the dark side to be reflected towards us. With no light form that secrion it can;t be seen through the blue sky. How do you envisage the moon passing through the atmosphere without creating any turbulence?
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  2396.  @KangenAlec  Have you heard of the Soviet Union and the Cold War?
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  2397. That it’s round can be demonstrated with sticks & shadows. That you don’t know how to do something does not mean it is impossible or that nobody else knows how.
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  2398.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't produced any of this fakery.
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  2399. They assume that it and Blue Marble 2 are the same thing.
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  2400.  @Matuse  You’re seeing things as they really are 😊
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  2401. Has it occurred to you to ask how you can determine the Earth’s shape for yourself?
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  2402.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence to back that and your explanation for how you reconcile that with the artist's impression of FE in the video that you are also hailing as definitive.
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  2403.  @KangenAlec  what power magnification do you think would require?
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  2404.  @KangenAlec  none of which work in reality.
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  2405.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  2406. Accurate maps.
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  2407.  @ed4wg380  It means we have people like KangenAlec above, who can never answer questions or explain himself, running around evangelising anti-science conspiracies. People have no problems using the technology but start thinking that reality is whatever they like it to be and science is trying to fool them. Like Cliff Clavin in Cheers they end up believing they have more knowledge & understanding from their ignorance than the people that actually do. It’s destructive for society. FE is particularly so because it is readily disprovable by as little as watching the sun; it tells people they should concentrate on not thinking.
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  2408.  @KangenAlec  The geocentric models lack telescopes because....?
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  2409. There's a very, very slight deviation from a perfect sphere.
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  2410. The papers continue to be published.
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  2411. About 1500 years ago, 1000 years after the ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere.
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  2412.  @dadano_lagano  Earth was determined to be a sphere about 500BC.
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  2413.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, they used trigonometry.
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  2414. You’re assuming the planes to be a straight line rather than curving with the Earth (no variation in elevation).
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  2415. You think they have a brain? They’ve never seen it so what evidence is there?
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  2416.  @thecolonel6735  They believe lenses are selective in what they bend though provide no explanation how.
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  2417. Greater probability that it is true; you can reach the point where you can see with reasonable certainty it is true but not proved it.
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  2418.  @Globeisahoax  And yet are having kids….
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  2419.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how you determined that…
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  2420. Said Belgian priest was not advocating it happened in six days.
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  2421.  @Globeisahoax  Which is an azimuthal projection of the globe.
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  2422.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  None of them have....
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  2423. Apparently the reasons are: 1. They’re fooling us to fool us. 2. Believing in the Earthbdjbg a globe gives the <insert favourite bogeymen> total control over your mind. 3. Hide an omnipotent god. 4. To take economic advantage of inaccessible lands beyond the unscalable ice-wall and impenetrable dome.
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  2424. Explain how The Government funds the ancient Greeks.
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  2425.  @KangenAlec  How would it disappear when it remains fully in sight?
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  2426. Too expensive. The main purpose of the Apollo missions was Cold War politics. You could do far more for less money with unmanned probes.
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  2427.  @KangenAlec  You try finding one.
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  2428.  @Bok2022st  Reread your OP; you might want to edit it so it is clear it is not a “planes would fly upside down on a globe” comment.
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  2429. Evidence? Do you mean growing using pigs to grow human organs for transplantation?
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  2430.  @KangenAlec  Have you heard of navigation?
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  2431.  @Globeishoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist then?
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  2432.  @Globeisahoax  For the zillionth time, the tilt of the Earth’s axis affecting how much sunlight a set area receives.
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  2433. It would take some effort and travel but it can be done by measuring the angles to the sun and stars like Polaris from multiple locations; it’s how sextants & astrolabes were used for navigation.
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  2434. You require some understanding and the willingness to learn when asking questions rather than operate on the presumption that everything is a lie.
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  2435.  @Globeisahoax  You mean the Gleason azimuthal projection of the globe? You keep saying Antarctica is the edge so why don’t any of you go?
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  2436. Predict the next solar eclipse down to the second and the square mile it can be observed from.
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  2437.  @Globeisahoax  Evidence?
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  2438. How does the sun maintain a constant angular velocity and angular diameter through the course of the day and rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  2439. They can't figure out that you need to focus the telescope to see a clear image.
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  2440.  @KangenAlec  So? What's the basis for your analogy?
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  2441. ​ @neine999  That gravity doesn't have a universal direction is beyond their comprehension, even when they're looking at a diagram of a circle & radial arrows.
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  2442.  @ovideoarkans7982  In practical lessons you get to test physical laws first hand. They aren’t just equations in books.
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  2443. What's the magic proof you think the FE'ers put forward?
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  2444.  @kashifmccracken1526  "KNOWING MOST PEOPLE WOULDN'T ACTUALLY READ THE DOCUMENT" And the FE'ers who keep quoting those docuemts can't be arsed to read the paragraphs the quotes are taken from, just keep waffling "they admit the earth is flat". Why not actually try reading them yourself? "They spilled that same Tang on the pictures" What are you referring to exactly?
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  2445.  @kashifmccracken1526  The writing in the NASA documents is pretty explicit on what they are simplifying and why, ie., the documents concern experimental aircraft and they want to focus the calculations purely on the airflow, not the overall functioning of the aircraft. Clear communication requires that we all have similar understanding on the meaning of words and sentence construction; when some people choose to apply their own meanings to words and sentence construction then run around misinforming people who stick with common meanings then they are "hurting" people. What globe earther events?
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  2446.  @kashifmccracken1526  You're asserting that considering what the document says is not sticking to the topic of what the document says?
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  2447.  @kashifmccracken1526  Is it unbelievable to me that aging technology becomes incompatible with modern technology? I have a floppy on one hand and a smartphone in the other; Gosh, how can it be impossible for my phone to read the floppy. Buzz did not say that, something you can verify for yourself simply by listening to the whole conversation. He said they don’t have the technology to go back and I just wrote a long post explaining why they don’t. Apparently technology becoming incompatible with age is really difficult for some people to grasp.
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  2448.  @kashifmccracken1526  The video is in circulation; find me a copy, send a link and a time at which days that. “He came back...” I don’t think you realise how such videos are shot.
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  2449.  @kashifmccracken1526  Free speech does not include a right not to be challenged.
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  2450.  @tyson281  Cherry picking while claiming to be looking at the big picture seems routine.
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  2451.  @kashifmccracken1526  "the effort to twist something I said into what you want to make it." You can't be arsed to read the relevant NASA documents, just misrepresent what they actually say to suit your belief. You can't be arsed to check what Aldrin actually said, just misquote him to suit your belief. I'm answering your questions; you're the one twisting someone else's words.
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  2452. Continuous surface not two-sided surface.
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  2453.  @Globeisahoax  and yet replicated so many times with similar results. You could even do it for yourself.
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  2454. How do you know nobody has been space?
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  2455.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification you think that requires. What’s the hold up?
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  2456.  @KangenAlec  What angle are you talking about if the Earth is a globe” You have real problems distinguishing shapes...
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  2457.  @KangenAlec  None of you can point to a clause in the Antarctic Treaty that forbids travel. What’s so difficult about quoting a clause in a document you all claim to have read?
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  2458.  @KangenAlec  Tilted axis of the Earth altering the angle the sun’s rays hit the surface and thus distributing heat differently. The lunar orbit determining how much of the sunlit side of the moon that we can see. You still haven’t explained anything of the FE sun’s behaviour.
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  2459.  @psalm23sheep53  The tilt is constant; the orientation relative to the sun changes as the Earth orbits the sun.
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  2460.  @Globeisahoax  Why not produce your evidence of the sun being local? Why not explain how the sun's motion is consistent with a FE model?
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  2461.  @KangenAlec  The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere in preparation for events 2500 years later? What exactly do you think their motive was? There are immortal Greek philosophers?
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  2462.  @KangenAlec  The picture it took us readily downloadable. It’s a very grainy image of the globe.
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  2463.  @KangenAlec  Still no explanation for how you think your magic water works.
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  2464. Lunar eclipse.
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  2465.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Are you going to say your invisible undetectable body that suddenly turns opaque at just the right moment?
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  2466.  @KangenAlec  Then produce the evidence.
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  2467. You appear to be conflating assumption, hypothesis and theory.
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  2468.  @timperalta9430  What do you think we do in labs?
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  2469.  @KangenAlec  Any evidence they exist? If you’re going to say the Antarctic Treaty then quote which clauses.
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  2470. ​ @KangenAlec  Why do you think the buildings on a globe would lean sideways when curvature means they lean away from you? Do you understand the difference between 0.0144 and 14.4? Where would you film from and with what magnification?
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  2471.  @KangenAlec  What do you think defines top & bottom?
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  2472.  @KangenAlec  Presumably you think the telescope moves it closer to you.
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  2473.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude...
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  2474.  @KangenAlec  They do, which is why we can predict the distance at which the ship disappears over the curve and you just waggle on about visual acuity.
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  2475.  @Globeishoax  You think they’re hiding the existence of solar panels?
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  2476.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained why the sun follows the expected path for a globe but not a FE. How difficult is to answer.
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  2477.  @Globeisahoax  How did you measure electricity in the wind?
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  2478. "any articles approved for a journal is chosen by the pharmaceutical companies" Very funny. Would you like me to run you through how the peer review process actually works? "no truth about plants curing disease could ever be printed or taught" How much needs to be published to qualify as something having been published? HAARP was run by USAF and now by the University of Alaska Fairbanks, not by NASA. Nobody has shown HAARP to be a weapon of mass destruction. You're referring to work that impinges on HAARP and making conspiratorial assumptions from there. "Follow the Money!" But apply some rational thought while doing so. "still not 100% sure on it" The ancient Greeks deduced the shape from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching altitude, visible constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and eclipses, all verifiable by all Tom, Dick or Harry, all disproving a FE. You can measure the curvature for yourself with as little as sticks & shadows.
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  2479.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  2480.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  2481.  @KangenAlec  You can watch the motion of the sun in total contradiction to what is claimed by FE'ers.
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  2482.  @KangenAlec  The windows are designed to handle the pressure difference.
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  2483.  @cottoncandy2023  The windows are curved to distribute the pressure difference equally; if they were flat there would be a greater pressure difference in the corners and an increased probability of a window failing. Because curved they cause a slight distortion in the view. Conspiracy minded people like Kangen assume the distortion is the purpose and the only purpose.
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  2484. If somebody believes they should drive on the other side of the road would you support their right to choose what they believe? That the Earth is spherical is a fact; it's not matter of opinion.
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  2485.  @amir-wg5cw  Driving on the wrong side of the road has repercussions for other people. Running around telling people the Earth is flat has repercussions too; doubt is placed in people’s minds and the idea spreads.
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  2486.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how the observable motion of the sun doesn’t contradict FE predictions.
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  2487.  @KangenAlec  What would they benefit from the lie?
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  2488. Facts are not something you can pick & choose to suit your opinions. 2+2=4 is not going to have multiple valid answers. Direction & distance between two locations is not going to alter depending on different observers’ beliefs.
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  2489.  @KangenAlec  None of you think to ask how you can demonstrate the globe for yourselves.
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  2490.  @KangenAlec  There isn’t a FE map on Instagram or anywhere.
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  2491. Check the cartoon “Science News Cycle”.
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  2492. If there was an edge then, yes, they would fall off. Some FE'ers claim an infinite plane in which case such explorers would find that. Alternatively some believe there is a dome and/or ice wall in the way in which case they would bump into that. None of this has been found by people who have actually crossed Antarctica; they just started travelling northwards again and appeared on the opposite coast which some FE'er put this down to a "Pacman effect".
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  2493.  @KangenAlec  The same government that FE’ers keep referring to. You aren’t going to answer his question?
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  2494.  @KangenAlec  To what did end when you also claiming they are outside an impenetrable dome?
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  2495. One revolution per day; mph is a linear velocity and nothing rotates in a straight line. Why would very distant objects move about dramatically simply because of the orbital speed? Why cant any if you triangulate the distance to your FE sun & moon? Why cant any if you explain how everybody sees the same face & phase of the moon? How did NASA influence the ancient Greeks?
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  2496.  @cinder8313  I suggest you take a look at Professor Dave's "The 10 things that all Flat Earthers say". It offers some insight as to their reasoning.
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  2497.  @KangenAlec  Why hide them?
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  2498.  @zed351  FE’er minds have difficulty thinking beyond single factors.
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  2499.  @shallnotprevail  Blue Marble and Earthrise were single frame shots taken on an analogue camera decades before CGI or Photoshop existed.
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  2500.  @shallnotprevail  Blue Marble was short from Apollo 17 as it returned from the moon. Earthrise was shot from Apollo 9 as it orbited the moon. Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are in geostationary orbit (high enough to capture >90% of a Hemisphere) and EPIC at the L1 (captures full hemisphere). At the time Blue Marble 2 was created camera were only in low orbit, hence the necessity of a composite. Time existed before BM2 was made, time has continued since BM2 was made. With time comes change, one such change being where cameras are placed and why. I have no idea why some people have such difficulty comprehending the passage of time, much less why they are stuck 20 years behind the present.
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  2501. The box was opened millennia ago.
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  2502.  @outresru7751  The globe is alive and FE’ers sound like a Monty Python sketch.
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  2503.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have yet to provide any evidence. Get your finger out.
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  2504. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. A scientific law is a description of a phenomenon. Learn the terminology before lecturing people.
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  2505.  @ay1ism  I repeat, you are using the vernacular definition of theory, not the scientific meaning. How is that distinction difficult to understand? Science uses the original meaning of theory. The vernacular is a corruption of the original meaning. Law is what occurs, theory is why it occurs. Facts are evidence, not laws or theories. Understand? I did specify experimentation & observation not just experimentation. Darwin mooted evolution nearly two centuries. Difficult as it is for some people to comprehend, research does not begin & end with the original proponent
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  2506.  @ay1ism  Both distances are beyond the limits of airliners. You need to consider direct flights. Sydney to Santiago is impossible for a direct flight on a FE.
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  2507.  @ay1ism  Do you understand the difference between direct and indirect flights? Since we are waiting for any FE’er to actually produce the working model you all claim you to possess we’re stuck with using the Gleason projection since that is what FE’ers keep referring to. If you have a working a FE map then step up to the plate and produce it.
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  2508.  @ay1ism  "protect their financial gain?" What kind of financial gain do you think there is and why? "Ideas that can not be factually proven" What do you think we do in labs?
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  2509. We're talking about people who can't figure out dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles to get degrees per mile.
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  2510. @James Henry Smith Rhetorical not loaded.
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  2511. @James Henry Smith No, just a valid observation of FE’ers willful ignorance.
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  2512. Blue Marble 2 was a composite of low orbit shots. The image used was the original Blue Marble, taken in one shot from an analogue camera on an Apollo mission.
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  2513.  @KangenAlec  Except it doesn't move as a loca sun would. Still no explanation for that?
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  2514.  @KangenAlec  Decreasing interest is not growing.
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  2515.  @Globeisahoax  Why doesn’t the FE moon’s apparent size change with distance? What measurements did you make to determine the distance to it? You still haven’t demonstrated such a Pact exists. What’s the hold up?
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  2516.  @Globeisahoax  Which you have yet to demonstrate exists…
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  2517. Who do you is claiming that multicellular organisms arose directly from abiogenesis?
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  2518.  @Globeishoaxx  Difficult as it is for you to comprehend, eyeballing is not the only form if measurement.
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  2519.  @Globeishoaxx  Down to and below the horizon. I keep asking you how it rises & sets and I'm still waiting on your answer.
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  2520. One More Flight did another transpolar circumnavigation a few years ago. Folks like Globe is a Hoax bring up emergency landings in the northern hemisphere (never the southern) because they have no understanding that a straight flight path on a globe is curved when projected onto a flat surface.
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  2521.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't said what size lens and magnification would be required. What's so difficult for the guy who claims he's got it all worked out? Two numbers! Get your finger out and enlighten people.
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  2522. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there, verified material brought back.
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  2523.  @KangenAlec  Using a single light source to illuminate everything and strong enough to melt the projecting equipment?
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  2524.  @breakit46  The two Dutch Goodwill moon rocks are confirmed to be moon rocks. A personal present from the then US Ambassador to a former Prime Minister was petrified wood; nobody knows how it came to be seen as moon rock.
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  2525.  @breakit46  Compared to rocks found in Earth where there is an atmosphere. With no atmosphere on the moon there's been no friction to smooth the surface and it has spent billions of years being bathed in UV radiation which alters the surface chemistry.
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  2526.  @Globeisahoax  Why don’t you just go and see?
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  2527.  @Globeisahoax  The “designated spot” has 24hr sun, which you insist cant happen on a FE. If you wish to explore Antarctica you can. Why don’t any of you try it?
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  2528. Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude; you can verify all of them personally.
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  2529.  @KangenAlec  There are these things called telescopes....
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  2530.  @candersonll  A scientific theory is not just an idea or a partially tested explanation; it has been thoroughly tested, found to explanatory of all observed relevant facts and accurately predictive. The limitation is that nothing outside of maths can be proven absolutely. The theory of gravity explains why objects fall and predicts that if I let go of a weight it will fall. I could stand here for rest of eternity dropping a weight over and over and never demonstrate it would always fall; no matter how many times I drop it there is a next time in which the weight might not fall. I can reach the point when it can be taken granted that it will fall (ie., regarded as a fact that it will fall) but I can never prove absolutely that that the weight will always fall.
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  2531.  @candersonll  As Aarya says, there is no such thing as a scientific facts; there are just facts, little bits of information. Scientific theories are explanations for those facts. For an explanation to be accepted as a scientific theory it has to be thoroughly tested, found to always be accurately predictive and all plausible alternative explanation have been disproven. You were asking why a scientific theory isn’t called a fact. I gave you the philosophical explanation. I also said that in practice they are regarded as fact because they have been so thoroughly tested and are apparently accurate. We can either have a philosophical discussion in what constitutes proof (an impossibly high bar to jump over) or we can discuss what is acceptable for an explanation to be regarded as a scientific theory (a far higher bar than that used in law courts). Either way, in layman’s terms it means that it has been proven (still a high bar).
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  2532. You have to wait until the ship has reached the horizon; that it can pass beyond the limit of your visual acuity before it reaches the horizon tells yiu sweet FA about the horizon. Remember to use the correct maths when calculating the distance to the horizon and not the rule of thumb for geometric drop.
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  2533.  @motorizedbicyclenation53cu90  The distance to the horizon is determined by curvature, elevation and atmospheric refraction. Under normal circumstances there is not much variation in the refraction so the horizon does not jump backwards & forwards. Visibility is how clear the air is and has nothing to do with where the horizon is; it's no more relevant than the limit of your visual acuity.
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  2534.  @motorizedbicyclenation53cu90  Some of them do view it as flat though none can explain how it conforms to what they observe. Abiogenesis is a slow incremental process that eventually led to simple cells. Nothing popped out of nowhere. If you think there is some unique DNA spliced into our genes then find a reference for those markers. Duplication error happens during mitosis & meiosis; some leads to duplicated segments spliced in elsewhere on the chromosomes, eventually producing families of related genes in higher species. Each species has it's own DNA (it's what defines a species) but the species obviously have common routes and there are no genes that occur only in humans. "Us or something had a much higher degree of technology than we believe at some point." Frequently presumed as a catch-all for what some people can't imagine happening.
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  2535.  @motorizedbicyclenation53cu90  None of that makes sense. There is a high degree of homology between between us and the other great apes (is that what you mean rather than monkeys?). There are the usual differences found between species: single base changes, inserted or deleted sequences, inversions, duplications - all replication errors. I think you are trying to describe a inversion that has moved the coding sequence to the other DNA strand. There's an even higher similarity between our genes and the Neanderthals indicating at least a close common ancestor. I assume you are referring to Rhesus blood marker; it was first thought to be similar to that found in rhesus monkeys but it was later found to be unrelated. It is not indicative that we have had monkey genes spliced into our genome.
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  2536.  @KangenAlec  No, he referred to two different distances but then measurements don’t seem within FE’ers mental abilities.
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  2537.  @KangenAlec  Answer his question.
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  2538. Scale is not there strong point.
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  2539.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2540. We're open to evidence; FE'ers can't produce any. Meanwhile there is abundant evidence that the Earth is a globe: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestials poles, accurate mapping of the entire surface and an endless supply of single-frame pictures of a globe.
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  2541. He’s saying that Ali bought his degree.
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  2542.  @alexjohnson4567  Highly unlikely.
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  2543.  @KangenAlec  You would expose something by actually producing evidence showing it to be wrong; in months of posting you haven’t provided any.
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  2544.  @Globeisahoaxx  Until such time as you can provide any evidence it is a belief.
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  2545.  @KangenAlec  What’s your evidence that Biblical creation is true?
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  2546. It was written about a 1000 years after the Earth was deduced to be a sphere.
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  2547.  @KangenAlec  How could it do that without interacting with the DNA?
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  2548.  @KangenAlec  It’s rapidly shrinking, particularly since none of you are willing to do provide coherent explanations.
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  2549.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  Good heavens - you're supposed to "ask questions" not ask questions. :-)
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  2550.  @Globeisahoax  Explain how lunar eclipses occur on a FE and what you’ve fond ho verify your explanation.
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  2551. A few seconds rather than a few hours.
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  2552.  @Globeisahoax  You sneer at the use of artist’s impressions then quote one as your “evidence”.
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  2553.  @KangenAlec  Why does a spherical sun only light up a select part of the FE?
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  2554. Apparently as well the sun remaining floating for unexplained reasons and circling for unexplained reasons it also changes course for unexplained reasons. That people can see 24hr sun in the Antarctic Circle also occurs for unexplained reasons.
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  2555.  @KangenAlec  Why can't you answer any questions?
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  2556.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2557. @Ananda Muhammad Rakha Putra Penguins observed toting AK47s and SAMs.
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  2558.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on FE’ers to say what those flaws are or why “just gotta be” and “just does” are logical arguments.
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  2559.  @KangenAlec  How would it enslave people exactly?
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  2560. The ancient Greeks deduced it; I think Magellan did the first circumnavigation. Columbus’s belief was that the Earth was significantly smaller than then believed and therefore Asia was within westwards sailing distance of contemporary vessels. It isn’t; he bumped into American islands.
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  2561. ​ @KangenAlec  Curiously my critique has been removed.... None of you have ever gone to check Antarctica but you think you know better than those who have? There's a boat race that circumnavigates Antarctica; the distance around Antarctica is repeatedly confirmed, corresponds to the globe and definitely disagrees with your far longer, unsupported claim. The Gleason map is a projection of the accurate globe map; the video does say "azimuthal equidistant projection". Being a projection of a 3D surface onto a 2D surface it is inevitably distorted; the only accurate distances on it are those that run exactly north-south, hence the lack of a scale. The further south you go on the Gleason projection, the greater the divergence of distances from reality. "Scientifically & practically accurate' is wishful thinking on Gleason's part, not evidence. USGS uses WGS84, ie., the globe. Nobody uses the Gleason projection as an "official map" except flatearthers. The UN logo is intended to depict the member countries; it's not a secret message. Globes didn't appear until recent centuries for the simple reason it is only in recent centuries that we have fully mapped the globe. Prior to then there would be large areas marked "here there be dragons". When the earliest globe map was in 1492 and the Gleason projection was made in 1892, it is reasonable to conclude that the later was derived from the former, not vice versa with time travel. The edge of the Antarctic glacial shelf is not evidence of a unsurmountable ice-wall, and certainly not evidence of an ice-wall 200 miles inland. "logically assume more land is being hidden" on what basis exactly? Byrd is referring to the then unexplored region of Antarctica, which lay on the far side of the south pole relative to his expedition. He comments on the size of the area, not claims there is another continent. And that is just the FE crap in the first question....
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  2562.  @Globeisahoax  You can’t answer his questions then?
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  2563. FE'ers seem to have no concept of scale; if you describe any deviation away from a sphere they assume they assume the distortion must be immense.
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  2564.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes exist…
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  2565.  @KangenAlec  Yet you can’t explain why the sun rises & sets and remains the same size through the day.
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  2566.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  WHy can't you see it if it is direct view? How does it give the appearance of rising & setting without approaching within 10-15 degrees of the horizon? How does it maintain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity through teh course of the day? Simple questions which FE'ers profess to be able to answer; why do none of you have the guts to do so?
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  2567.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Which would not explain how the sun retains a constant angular diameter regardless of atmospheric conditions or why the atmospheric conditions would always be just right for everyone to see the same size with changing distance or how the sun would be missing part at just the right rate to give the appearance of rising & setting ot why it would appear lower in the sky than you think it is. Try again.
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  2568.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees. How difficult is for you to understand numbers?
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  2569.  @Globeisahoax  There is no horizon on a FE.
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  2570. How do meteorites get through the impenetrable dome?
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  2571.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  2572.  @KangenAlec  What FE map?
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  2573. What is this obsession that Wikipedia is wildly inaccurate?
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  2574.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  It is still dependent on providing sources (unsourced material is marked as such) and edits are tracked enabling correction from ignorant or malicious editing. As with any encyclopedic material, take it with a pinch of salt and check sources. There are genuine criticisms of how it works but the notion that it is all personal scribblings is unfounded.
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  2575.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  You wouldn’t refer to any encyclopedia in a research paper; just direct evidence or relevant reviews.
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  2576. One revolution per day. 0mph relative to the Earth’s surface. The bionic man moved in slow-motion; the lunar astronauts were moving in low gravity and avoided quick motions. That one particular image is a collage does not mean every photo ever ever ever taken just gotta be a collage. Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, horizons, lunar eclipses and two celestial poles are all viewable & measurable first hand.
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  2577. The debate appears to be heavily edited, cutting off much of what was said about any given point.
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  2578. The video does appear to have been heavily edited.
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  2579.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting for your explanation as to how NASA could influence ancient Greeks. Get your finger out.
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  2580. A hypothesis with no explanation and no data.
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  2581.  @Lupis6377  Ignore me -I was looking at the wrong bit 🙁
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  2582. The ancient Greek deduced the EArth was flat and a spherical Earth was the centre-point of the Ptolemaic model in 100AD, the accepted model of the universe until the shift to a heliocentric system. Columbus believed the Earth was much smaller than had been measured, making Asia within westwards sailing range of Europe; it isn't.
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  2583.  @flatearthisahoax4030  Obviously it's one of those things which are immune to perspective because..............crickets...
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  2584. It's an apparent force. Newtonian physics assumes it to be an attractive force while relativity sees it as inertia, space-time curvature due to mass causing a change in the velocity of objects.
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  2585.  @KangenAlec  Why wouldn’t the globe have hills & valleys?
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  2586.  @Globeisahoax  They’re discussing coordinated action not forming a treaty.
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  2587.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t explained how NASA were influencing the ancient Greeks.
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  2588. Sea-level rather than ground-level; your eyes would be 5-6 ft above sea-level. Ground level ignores the elevation of the ground that you are standing on.
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  2589.  @KangenAlec  How does the plumbing work in your house if water can’t get around the bends?
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  2590. It would be a little weaker at the periphery because of the greater distance from the centre of gravity but more importantly it would be angled; down would not be perpendicular to the ground.
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  2591.  @fox3.14  That idea has been abandoned. It became apparent even to FE'ers that an object thrown upwards wouldn't fall according to that model. It changed to an Earth accelerating "upwards" at 9.8m/s^2 though that in turn was abandoned when they realised it would approach light speed within a year and requried a power source to achieve. These days it's either density acts as a force but not as force (objects move downwards because down is the direction the density does/doesn't push them and density does/doesn't push them in that direction because that is downwards) or simply that objects want to move downwards, apart from those that want to move upwards or sideways (balloons and the sun). Anything but consider the idea that gravity exists. No explanation ever provided for the Cavendish experiment.
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  2592.  @elfenlied6611  The ancient Greeks.
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  2593. If people claim they are then it’s a pretty fair bet they don’t think, much less do so critically.
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  2594. Hubble is too close to Earth to photograph it; the exposure time would create a blurred image. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are placed to collectively take several pictures per hour, all viewable & downloadable online.
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  2595.  @KangenAlec  Navigators require maps; still waiting on FE'ers to produce a working map.
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  2596.  @Globeisahoax  If you know the answers then why cant you say what they are? Why do all FE’ers keep saying “ask someone else” when pushed for the answers you all claim to know?
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  2597. The problem is people like Kangen preaching ignorance as knowledge and claiming denying all facts contrary to what they want to believe as insight.
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  2598. ?
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  2599. Editing.
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  2600.  @KangenAlec  So you keep saying but none of you can produce this working map to put on Instagram. You don't find that a problem?
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  2601.  @npkpchannel4505  There’s an electromagnetic field across all the Earth; it’s how compasses work.
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  2602.  @npkpchannel4505  Compasses don’t work properly at the poles because of the toroidal shape of electromagnetic fields. The field lies fairly parallel with the Earth’s surface but at the poles curves inwards. All the evidence (including there being two poles, not one) indicates the Earth is a sphere with eye witnesses being the icing in the cake.
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  2603.  @KangenAlec  How does it rise to eye level? How can it be at eye level for everybody when they are at different elevations? Enlighten us.
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  2604.  @KangenAlec  A picture taken from outside your impenetrable dome?
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  2605.  @KangenAlec  Your inability to produce evidence to back your claims.
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  2606.  @KangenAlec  pictures of what?
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  2607. That was an April Fool’s joke though gullibility is a human trait.
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  2608.  @bungobdesigns  If something has two significant factors then you can't get an accurate representation by ignoring one. It does seem a common presumption among some that ignoring a significant factor somehow renders it insignificant but we have to deal with reality. Conservation of momentum can be described by what occurs when you throw a ball; the ball continues moving when it leaves your hand. It's something that everybody has done since they were a child. It doesn't require any measurement, any knowledge of physics, any prediction of where the ball will go or what size the ball is to understand that the ball continues moving when it leaves your hand. FE'ers still can't understand that it exists.
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  2609.  @Globeishoax  As predicted, the guy who can’t explain anything is claiming it’s all explained.
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  2610. Abiogenesis and evolution are science.
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  2611.  @Globeisahoax  Which is still a 23.4 degree inclination from 0 degrees.
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  2612.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map. Which clause in the Antarctic Treaty bans people from going?
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  2613.  @KangenAlec  Reality observed by more than one person indicates the sun is distant. How exactly do you think the sun is always just 50 miles away from you when its FE circuit is 12,000 miles across?
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  2614. No religion does.
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  2615. When was Blue Marble taken? What year and how?
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  2616.  @Peni_Parker_Main  Explain how NASA (founded 1958 AD) was influencing the ancient Greeks, c. 500BC.
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  2617. The "Hebrews / Israelites / Christian scriptures" were written by people with a very limited understanding of the world around them and were quite ignorant by modern standards. Are you championing ignorance?
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  2618. The "Hebrews / Israelites / Christian scriptures" were written by people with a very limited understanding of the world around them and were quite ignorant by modern standards. Are you championing ignorance?
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  2619.  @Globeisahoax  How much work needs to be done before something ceases to be experimental?
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  2620.  @Globeishoaxx  "They"? You've been banging on for over a year that you're an ardent FE'er.
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  2621.  @Globeishoaxx  "They"? You've been banging on for over a year that you're an ardent FE'er.
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  2622. What do you think we do in labs?
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  2623. “An essential part of this kind of education is fostering the impulse to challenge authority, think critically, and create alternatives to well-worn models. This is the pedagogy I ended up adopting, and as a college instructor in the humanities, it’s one I rarely have to justify.” Chomsky’s words and the basis of scientific research.
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  2624.  @flynnkellenbach901  I appreciate what you are saying but the shape of the Earth is a fact, not an opinion to be debated; titling somebody as a "globe earther" implies the shape is a matter of opinion. This isn't like most debates where there are two sides to an issue; it's a factual matter that was unequivocally settled millenia ago. What would be an appropriate mode of titling elsewhere would be just false equivalence here.
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  2625.  @flynnkellenbach901  I would note that this video has been heavily edited to remove the one way flow of evidence. I've no idea what possessed them to include this in such a series.
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  2626.  @KangenAlec  Heavy is weight; weight is the action of gravity on a mass. Explain why objects fall.
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  2627. It was written a millennium after the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere.
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  2628. They either ignore the evidence, ignore the existence of other space agencies or declare all the world's space agencies to be NASA
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  2629.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't produced any evidence to back any of that. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day?
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  2630.  @KangenAlec  A claim that would be more believable if you actually could demonstrate that, rather than your ignorance of what CGI and cartoons are.
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  2631. Land surveyors measure it with theodolites. It can be done less accurately with as little as sticks & shadows.
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  2632. You mean time zones?
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  2633.  @KangenAlec  Zooming In with what exactly?
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  2634.  @KangenAlec  "How do you know there is a solar system?" Some of us are actually prepared to use telescopes, not deny their existence.
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  2635. Spirit level, level is not synonymous with flat and water does not have the ability to observe its environment, make decisions and move itself.
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  2636.  @susand4424  Potentially so; it doesn't automatically follow that they are being used for brainwashing.
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  2637.  @Globeisahoax  The guy who’s incapable of learning is telling other people they should learn?
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  2638.  @nvnax  It’s not jagged, just not very smooth. Mt Everest is 5.5 miles high; the Earth’s radius is 3,900 miles.
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  2639.  @nvnax scaled down to pool ball size, youdybarely sense it under your fingertips.
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  2640.  @Boss_Feed  Very little is sanctioned. That you don’t get much dissent on sone subjects is because people long since arrived at a consensus; there is nothing to dispute. Only those with half a brain are claiming viruses don’t exist.
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  2641.  @nvnax  We’re talking about scale.
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  2642.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, there isn;'t a lens large enough to provide the required magnification & resolution.
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  2643. Your eyes are passive receptors; they detect whatever light reaches them regardless of how far it has travelled. The light would have been dispersed to some degree at that distance but you would be able see light from Chicago.
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  2644.  @KangenAlec  Your computer works very nicely on theory.
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  2645. Much of what you spend money on is imported; the shape of the Earth determines the distance between places.
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  2646. The ancient Greeks deduced it millenia ago; it has since been fully mapped enabling accurate long-distance travel; recently we have satellites orbiting the Earth, some for taking pictures. Meanwhile FE’ers still can’t explain how the sun rises & sets. In what way do you think we contradict our own rules? In what way is dismissing evidence that you don’t want to hear critical thinking?
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  2647.  @Supaxiro  The globe map is accurate. Projecting the globe onto a more convenient flat surface (they fold & roll, your computer screen is flat) introduces distortion; that is what is being referred to. Produce some examples of these pilots. Geostationary satellites appear to remain stationary; explain that on a FE. Why don’t FE satellites fall to the ground? How do they follow a straight line across the sky if they have a curved trajectory?
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  2648.  @Supaxiro  Answer my original questions.
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  2649.  @Supaxiro  Asking questions of the people who profess to have the answers is research. "All satellites move according to how they're programmed" If they aren't in freefall then they require a propulsion system and that requires a source of fuel. No amount of programming is going to have any effect without those. What propulsion systems keeps satellites aloft for years? That still doesn't explain their observable trajectories. Why wouldn't a satellite be accessible across the entire FE simultaneously? "My only question begs an answer and I don't expect my answer from you" Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. Rotation is demonstrated with laser gyroscopes to be a constant 15 degrees/hr. Orbit is observable through stellar parallax. The world is accurately mapped enabling long-distance travel & trade. Still waiting on FE'er explanations for all those. "I expect to get it by my own efforts and gathering of facts" Watch the sun & stars. "North and South Pole if I'm ever permitted" Nobody is stopping you. "what's beyond the north and south pole are restricted from explorers" They aren't. "Because they can't and have never proved the world is a globe" Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. Rotation is demonstrated with laser gyroscopes to be a constant 15 degrees/hr. Orbit is observable through stellar parallax. The world is accurately mapped enabling long-distance travel & trade. WGS84 is the measured shape of Earth. "Doing the work of a critical thinker and seeking Truth" Not much evidence of critical thinking if I have to ask the questions that you should have thought of in the first place.
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  2650.  @Supaxiro  "There's a rebuttal for everyone of your clever points" So FE'ers keep insisting but we are still waiting on any of you to produce those rebuttals. I've spoken with many; they all insist the rebuttals exist but it's always "Ask somebody else". Are you going to try or are you goin to fall back on assertions that you're not here to answer questions?
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  2651.  @Supaxiro  You think everybody has to make a circumpolar navigation to prove the Earth is a globe?
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  2652.  @Globeisahoax  The FE belief that ignorance is knowledge proves only the willful stupidity of FE’ers.
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  2653.  @Michaelhehe  It’s a lie that the sun rises and sets?
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  2654.  @colin8923  It’s forever being pointed out.
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  2655.  @KangenAlec  Which clause would that be?
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  2656. They are promoting the notion that ignorance is knowledge. It’s not a matter of interpreting information as outright denying it coupled with no thought as to why they can’t answer questions.
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  2657.  @Globeisahoax  You’ve never explained how. Want to try now?
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  2658.  @Globeishoaxx  You think it a hoax the sun rises & sets?
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  2659.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in your evidence. Why do you have such problems producing anything useful? Why does someone claiming your wisdom always restrict himself to rhetoric?
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  2660.  @BunnieWabbit  You find him believable because he never produces anything?
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  2661. Other way around: if Earth was flat then you would be able to see the nightlights.
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  2662.  @Globeisahoax  Why not just try answering questions about FE? So much more convincing.
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  2663.  @KangenAlec  But none of you can ever explain why the sun can only light up a small, misshapen area at a time.
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  2664. If they came back saying the Earth is a sphere then it would be seen as evidence that the vote was rigged.
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  2665. A religion is selective and very interpretative when dealing with evidence that can conflict with its tenets.
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  2666.  @KangenAlec  Somebody has to come up with a FE map before one can be posted anywhere. Why don't you post a link?
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  2667.  @seankim7055  Pac-man effect?
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  2668.  @Globeisahoax  Really? The why can't you produce any evidence to back your assertions?
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  2669.  @KangenAlec  Why would the sun being “local” stop light travelling indefinitely?
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  2670.  @ArthurMorganFTW_RDR  You don’t have to explain it to me. We just need to extract a plausible answer from the prats who are convinced they know but mysteriously can’t say.
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  2671.  @KangenAlec  When do you think NASA was formed?
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  2672.  @wateva4270  That nobody can provide evidence of...
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  2673. ​ @wateva4270  Covid travel restrictions aside, there is nothing stopping you going. There is a booming tourist trade to Antarctica and you can go entirely on your own if you wish though that is prohibitively expensive for most (ie, equipment & support for some of the most inhospitable climate on Earth). The Arctic Ocean is almost completely encircled by North America, Europe & Asia, all projecting into the Arctic Circle. In contrast South America, Africa & Australia are widely (and fairly equally) spaced and all well north of the Antarctica. Consequently for some flight paths, crossing the Arctic Ocean is the shortest route and for much of the flight there are alternative airports they can divert to in an emergency but Antarctica is substantially out of the way for flights between the southern continents and offers no airports to divert to. There is nothing physically stopping a plane flying over Antarctica other than the risk of engines freezing. It was done yet again a few years ago as part of yet another circumpolar navigation.
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  2674.  @wateva4270  Reliable sources rather than conspiracy theorists. Have you considered the practicalities of huge worldwide conspiracies actively involving millions of people? Have you considered how anybody could enforce secret laws that are so hush-hush that nobody knows about them? Have you considered what gains could possibly be made from a conspiracy involving so much effort & expenditure?
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  2675.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t tried explaining why the sun’s movement corresponds to the globe but not FE.
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  2676. The circumference is 2.pi.r. One degree curvature is about 59 miles.
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  2677. Consensus is when it is generally agreed that the known facts & evidence are conclusive. It’s not something separate from facts & evidence.
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  2678.  @TheRealSpencerMarks  It puzzles me how they fail to make a connection between science and laboratory.
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  2679. By going through it.
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  2680. You regard “just gotta be” to be the pinnacle of “real human” reasoning?
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  2681. The video has been heavily edited.
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  2682.  @KangenAlec  Logic and reproducible fact rather than FE gurus.
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  2683.  @KangenAlec  How the heck would you know if other people are thinking when you're incapable of doing so yourself?
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  2684.  @KangenAlec  There are no private conversations on a public forum. If you think they should make their own decision then why do you keep posting?
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  2685.  @KangenAlec  Inserted the skipped word. Can you understand now?
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  2686.  @michimadiforever1458  Thought is not something that the Thinkers indulge in.
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  2687. Either they deny telescopes exist or they use inadequate cameras or focussing to claim nobody can observe them properly.
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  2688.  @messengerofchrist9213  Global projections. How do you think a 3D object could be incorporated into a flag?
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  2689.  @KangenAlec  If you;re educated in each then why can't you answer questions?
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  2690. The KJV dates from the 17th century AD.
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  2691.  @KangenAlec  Explain How this mind control would arise from the Earth being a globe.
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  2692.  @KangenAlec  How would they enslave people with that knowledge? Why haven’t the millions already injected died?
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  2693.  @Globehoax  None of yiu have yet demonstrated that the Earth isn’t a globe; you need to do that first abd you haven’t come up with anythjng.
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  2694. No indication that vaccines cause autism (same probability whether vaccinated or not), the shape of the Earth was determined millennia ago and you demonstrate it yourself with sticks & shadows while the evidence for climate change is abundant.
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  2695. @É.T is home or not We’re always after something new; he doesn’t like the answers.
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  2696. You're describing a Big Crunch preceding the Big Bang; nobody is arguing that the BB came from nothing but we don't know what was there before the BB. The BB was about 13.5 billion years ago (the universe is continuing to expand but no new matter is seen to be added), the Earth formed about 4.5 billion years ago. Yes, planets & stars do form from the gradual coalescence of matter. There is probably a black hole in the centre of the galaxy with everything rotating around it but there's no indication that I am aware of that an equivalent black hole exists at the centre of the universe. We don;t know whether there will be a BIg Crunch or whether matter is now too dispersed to overcome the rate of expansion.
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  2697.  @TreySobers  You can prove it yourself with as little as sticks & shadows. Do you wish to claim simple maths is indoctrination? In which case produce the “real maths”.
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  2698. Evidence?
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  2699. What do you think we have labs for? "the lack of a curve has" Be brave and actually produce this evidence.
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  2700. If somebody knowk on your door how do you know that someone is knocking on your door if you don't know who it is knocking?
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  2701.  @JTStonne  I'm curious what you make of the reasoning. We can determine that something is having an effect (dark matter) but don't yet know what it is but not knowing what it is does not nullify the evidence that something is having that effect. Essentially not knowing who is knocking at the door does not mean we don't know someone is knocking.
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  2702.  @JTStonne  Do you want to say what you think we have labs for?
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  2703.  @JTStonne  Do you want to reconcile that with: "they spent lots of money "learning" when it is actually just absorbing information from people"
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  2704.  @JTStonne  You think spending my time in a lab obtaining information that nobody yet knows is absorbing information from other people?
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  2705. Blue Marble 2 is a composite; Blue Marble was shot in a single frame.
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  2706. They are being cut short by the editing.
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  2707.  @KangenAlec  Like the indoctrination you’ve gotten from your FE gurus?
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  2708. The Earth was determined to be a sphere around 500BC; how far back do you think Christian civilisation should be?
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  2709.  @davidodoherty8494  Eratosthenes measured it; it had been determined to be a sphere from observations about 500BC. Maybe I misunderstood your OP but you appear to think a globe is a progressive agenda.
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  2710. You realise that the curvature is measurable, we have accurate worldwide maps and that GPS comes from satellites? 25,000 miles circumference is much larger than many people visualise; FE’ers tend to assume 25-250 miles while arguing.
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  2711.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how water gets through your plumbing without bending.
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  2712.  @KangenAlec  What gives it weight, what makes the object move and why does it move in a consistent direction? The Law of Just Does?
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  2713.  @KangenAlec  "of great weight; difficult to lift or move'
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  2714.  @KangenAlec  g = G.(m1.m2)/d^2
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  2715.  @KangenAlec  “discovered in 50’s by first rockets” Thank you for demonstrating that you have no concept of measurement.
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  2716.  @KangenAlec  In several months you still haven't provided any evidence to back any of your claims. Has it not occurred to you that you are deceiving yourself?
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  2717.  @KangenAlec  How do you arrive at the truth without understanding?
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  2718.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  2719.  @KangenAlec  Nor explained why only a limited area would be lit, why that area would be oddly shaped or why the sun follows a different path to what you’re saying.
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  2720. Written a millennium after Earth was deduced to be a globe.
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  2721.  @abd_sh_321  It’s frequently stated as if the Koran was prophetic un that regard. Theres a common assumption that the shift from flat to globe is contemporaneous with the move from geocentric to heliocentric system.
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  2722.  @Jacob12611  The Earth was deduced to be a globe c. 500 BC and a spherical Earth was the centre of the Ptolemaic model c. 100AD; that was the accepted model until the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system.
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  2723.  @Jacob12611  Big & round.
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  2724.  @Jacob12611  Ostrich eggs - big & round. If you wish to impress size & shape on someone it would be an example. Newton deduced the Earth would be an oblate spheroid, not egg-shaped.
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  2725.  @Jacob12611  Yes. Don’t take it literally.
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  2726.  @Jacob12611  The Earth isn’t egg-shaped; it is big & round. An ostrich egg is far larger than a hen’s egg (though still egg-shaped) so if someone wishes to impress the idea of big & round it would be an example he could use.
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  2727.  @Jacob12611  Nothing to do with ostriches or eggs per se, just big & round.
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  2728. ​@Luke Skyballer I don't think exactly where on Earth they were found enters into their thoughts, merely that they were found at all.
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  2729.  @pleasestop5643  What arises from a meteor has been barbecued on the way through the atmosphere; the difference is apparent.
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  2730.  @pleasestop5643  I was just making it clear they are readily distinguishable; some people assume they aren’t.
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  2731. Direction of the studio lighting.
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  2732.  @zed351  Don’t joke; they’ll take it seriously and we’re left with more rubbish to clean up.
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  2733.  @KangenAlec  Again? Would you listen this time or just keep denying that people answer you?
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  2734. Long-distance travel and trade require accurate maps. The satellites that run GPS and some international communications need to orbit appropriately. You personally may not require the knowledge but much of what you depend on does.
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  2735.  @stainlesss00  Who's they? If you mean people millenia ago then they could follow land trails, navigating by landmarks and well-used sections while sailing meant following coastlines. Sailing across seas & oceans requires reasonably accurate maps or means to map your location and sufficient provisions and fuel to make the trip. Long distance trade was limited; Marco Polo is remembered for trading with China while today half your possessions will be marked Made in China. When you're using fueled vessels rather than wind-driven and flying aircraft with very limited fuel supplies you can't afford to be vague; you need very accurate maps.
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  2736.  @stainlesss00  Long distance trade predates central governments.
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  2737. Pick key cities in each region and search for direct flights (non-stop). Note that not all will have direct flights; long distance international flight may only be economically feasible between some.
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  2738.  @KangenAlec  Yet we can answer questions and you can’t.
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  2739. You mean that we shouldn’t question anything?
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  2740.  @ChazonMLBB  The onus is on you to demonstrate it is true or at least suggest a plausible means by which it can be tested to determine whether it true or false. To claim that the supernatural is true does not means you can claim the falsifiable to be whatever you wish.
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  2741.  @ChazonMLBB  Nice claim but you have to produce the evidence to back that if you wish to be believed. Scientifically there is no reason to accept as true something for which no supporting evidence exists. When no supporting evidence can be found despite many attempts there is no reason presuppose something to be true.
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  2742.  @ChazonMLBB  Unfortunately, if there is one thing that science can demonstrate in this respect then it is the utter unreliability of "I can tell".
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  2743. And we back it with evidence.
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  2744. Depends on the level of education.
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  2745.  @yalndemirci5705  What do you think we do in research labs?
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  2746. Even the ones who did grow up with it.
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  2747.  @KangenAlec  We’re still waiting in any FE’er to actually try it; you just keep repeating what you think exists.
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  2748. Advocating a FE means asserting ignorance & incredulity over knowledge and hailing conmen as sources of information.
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  2749.  @KangenAlec  Do you have any idea what magnification would be required and how large that lens would have to be?
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  2750. Hebrew used a common word for circle & sphere.
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  2751.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Where does that describe any shape?
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  2752. “Newest firsts” Difficult to respond to something FE’ers can’t produce. Try listing some if these “newest firsts”.
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  2753. Edited.
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  2754.  @vinoewhines  I’m pointing out that the video has been heavily to remove the one way flow of evidence from the scientist to keep the appearance of a balanced discussion.
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  2755.  @vinoewhines  You realise editing means there is some that isn't viewable?
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  2756.  @vinoewhines  Deduction. There is abundant evidence that the Earth is a globe and the scientists would not have come unprepared. FE’ers simply repeat the same canards based on ignorance & incredulity.
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  2757.  @KangenAlec  Who’s on the junta, where are they based and what evidence do you have for unnoticed forced take-over having occurred?
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  2758.  @rickusmaximus2435  What exactly does not make sense?
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  2759.  @KangenAlec  Provide some evidence that planes are flown with compressed air.
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  2760. Are there shock bracelets that work against idiocy?
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  2761. A. A scientific theory arises from the culmination of evidence from experimentation & observation. B. Basic principle in science is disproving hypotheses, not looking only for supportive evidence,
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  2762.  @Globeisahoax  Which is why you deny the existence of telescopes; too easy to confirm the solar system exists.
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  2763. What are you actually complaining about?
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  2764.  @ja4nice  You realise that you personally not knowing or understanding the evidence does not mean that we don’t know or have either?
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  2765. ​ @ja4nice  The quality control in science is the reproducibility of the results; even the best work is at risk from statistical error (some things do happen by chance) & human error particularly with the complexity of the work and the sensitivity at which we have to work. The more people reproducing the work then the larger the accumulative sample sizes and the more accurate the result. You aren't going to get a definitive answer from one person's work; the "insolutes" are removed through accumulative work. The experiments people do in school are simplistic and give clear answers that demonstrate the basic principles being taught. They are not representative of what is being done in a research where there are far more complicating factors and the outcome is not already known. Research is published in specialist journals, nor newspapers & magazines (not even science magazines). Each research paper is precise in its content & methodology and individually very limited in scope. Reproduction is based on that information; what occurs by chance or error is gradually weeded out. What is subsequently included in textbooks is years down the line from that research when certainty has been established. What you read in newspaper science sections are reports of isolated research papers which sound exciting to the reporter writing the articles; they are not representative of the accumulating knowledge, just interesting sounding tidbits. You can't come to any meaningful conclusion about scientific research if that is your main source of information. Do note that if you're making comparisons with historic work you've read about then you are reading the final conclusion (not the ongoing work) and they were working at a level of purities and sensitivities that are unbelievably crude by today's standards. They were picking the low hanging fruit; we're working at entirely different level of complexity.
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  2766.  @KangenAlec  The geocentric model is based on a sphere.
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  2767.  @KangenAlec  Different direction.
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  2768.  @Globeisahoax  He doesn't explain anything. Why can't any of you answer questions?
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  2769.  @naturalmystic5098  Elevation and curvature are not the same thing.
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  2770.  @Globeisahoaxx  Measurably 93 millions away while you just pull a number out of your arse.
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  2771.  @Globeisahoax  And yet the globe is demonstrable while FE’ers can’t produce evidence or rational explanations.
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  2772.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Explain how it would rise. Why does it measurable drop with increasing altitude?
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  2773. "The science supports a flat earth" Still waiting on any of you to produce this evidence. "same of regiment of AUTHORITARIANISM" As in it being necessary to account for all factors, not just the one you're curious about? "mysterious pervasive force called gravity" Still waiting on the FE;er explanation for the attraction observed in the Cavendish & Schiehallion experiments.
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  2774.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  Let me guess - he'll make claims about Real Science but fail to go into details.
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  2775.  @johneagle932  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  2776.  @johneagle932  Which doesn’t answer my question. How is a ratio going to a t as a force and why in a consistent direction when it lacks a vector value?
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  2777.  @johneagle932  "I can refute every single lie with simple well reasoned arguments from the very science books they thought me from"
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  2778.  @saltypasta3194  The Treaty is downloadable by anyone and quite legible but they can never say where these clauses are in the Treaty.
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  2779. There’s something called evidence. If you wish to make a claim in science it has to be backed by evidence; something will only be accepted because other people can confirm it. Nothing is taught without substantial evidence backing it.
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  2780.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t provided any explanation for how your magic water would be unaffected by the stomach’s pH and homeostasis or why drinking you magic water would have any effect on cancer cells.
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  2781.  @PureBeauty511  It is backed by evidence. You may not see it directly simply because what eventually reaches the public media has been distilled down to the simplest to cater for the audience education and airtime limit. Look up PubMed website to see what the level of information actually published in the scientific world. There haven't been any clinical trials for the Gerson protocol only retrospective case histories (Gerson's original study was actually anecdotal from patient interviews) and nobody has been recorded as cured by the Gerson protocol (either longer survival time in some or they were already receiving anti-cancer treatment). It's basic premise is incorrect in assuming the existence of toxins causing cancer; it was thought to be the cause in Gerson's time but the cause was determined to be genetic in the 1960's. It may be of use as a supplemental regime to regular treatment; that is the only indication so far that it is of any use. Anecdotal accounts from patient or even from doctors utilising it is not evidence, just anecdotes; the patients have to be tracked from day one and all factors taken into account, not filling in a questionnaire way down the line.
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  2782. The Earth was deduced to be a globe around 500BC. The Bible doesn’t say the Earth is any particular shape.
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  2783. You need to use a generator that sticks with regular grammar.
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  2784. Though they always refuse to explain how density can act as a force.
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  2785.  @KangenAlec  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction? You all says Dubay explains but none of you seems capable of saying what that explanation is.
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  2786. She’s essentially asking for a test tube filled with just gravity. They don’t seem to understand what a force is and don’t want to know. Maths is dismissed as existing only to confuse or deceive you. Pointing out the Cavendish experiment is your best bet though you will have to satisfy them that it is reproducible and reproduced and that it isn’t magnetism, electrostatic attraction, density force or spontaneous breezes.
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  2787.  @qracer5708  He’s a pot stirrer.
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  2788. Two sexes, multiple genders (or a spectrum); the former is genetic, the latter psychological.
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  2789.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Anybody with a personality that isn't identical to yours must be deluded? That's a very arrogant view of yourself.
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  2790. Yes/no/don’t exist; take your pick.
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  2791.  @KangenAlec  A flying plane is not at ground level.
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  2792. There are live cameras in orbit collectively taking several single-frame shots per hour. We can deduce the Earth’s shape from worldwide accurate mapping.
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  2793.  @ccjam4766  Have you even seen the Taj Mahal? Radio waves? Your brain?
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  2794.  @ccjam4766  FE’ers are very keen on only accepting personal observations; they seem incapable of noting that, firstly, they aren’t the only observer in the world and, secondly, that some things are not directly observable. They aren’t interested in how something’s existence & properties can be deduced (radio waves, brain).
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  2795. The Observers are not going to be convinced by observation.
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  2796.  @KangenAlec  How do you think water observes its environment, makes decisions and moves itself? If water can't bend how does the plumbing in your house work?
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  2797.  @Globeisahoax  Clouds meet land because of curvature. How does your optical illusion work and why is it in exactly the predicted time & place regardless of weather?
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  2798.  @KangenAlec  Yet routinely reproduced to demonstrate curvature worldwide.
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  2799. How exactly?
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  2800.  @Globeisahoax  Clear English.
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  2801. Apparently light stops at a fixed but highly distance because it gets "tired". Their evidence is the sun remaining 20 degrees about the horizon, gradually shrinking away to a dot the abruptly "switching off" whereupon you can see the even more distant stars whose light has not stopped for reasons. That this contradicts what we actually do see is apparently not a problem; you certainly won't get any of them to explain why the sun observably behaves totally differently though will inform you that they know the reason. They seem unable to grasp that they are contradicting both themselves and reality.
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  2802.  @messengerofchrist9213  Anybody can go. Anybody can view a 24hr sun that FE’ers have yet to explain.
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  2803. What relevance would it have to the measurable shape of Earth?
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  2804.  @Globeisahoax  In other words your belief in a creator is just you (as usual) wanting to be contrary to observable reality.
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  2805.  @shemyemantecle8963  He's referring to the inscription on Wernher von Braun's gravestone that refers to the heavens; FE'ers believe it to be a coded message saying he secretly believed in an impermeable dome.
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  2806. No atmosphere on the moon: no erosion, no oxidation, abundant solar radiation so the geological structure differs.
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  2807.  @KangenAlec  Spectroscopy. .
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  2808.  @KangenAlec  Not according to any pilots.
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  2809.  @KangenAlec  The grainy picture brought back from the modified V2 rocket had an unmistakably curved horizon.
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  2810.  @mediocrecontent2449  It’s supposed to be a totally undetectable fully transparent body that magically turns opaque for no reason at just the right time to give the illusion to the one & only observer on FE that there is a shadow crossing the moon. (You did ask....)
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  2811.  @KangenAlec  If the injections are lethal then how are those who've had them still alive?
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  2812. You may believe what you wish but facts are not going to alter to fit your beliefs.
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  2813. They don't disappear on GPS, only on radar; check flightradar24 that, despite the name, uses GPS. They do use "short cuts' generally taking the most direct route possible on a globe (not a 2D depiction of the globe).
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  2814. Look up the Goldilocks zone.
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  2815. FE’ers have next to no understanding of scale. A basketball looks round so they expect to see the same curves on a globe Earth.
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  2816. They reflect how the people of the time viewed the world; some people think they must have been party to special knowledge rather than countenance the notion their assumptions were wrong.
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  2817. FE originated with Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century who went off on a religious, anti-science bender. The term conspiracy theory originated about 1890 and came into wider use in the 1950's.
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  2818.  @KangenAlec  Gates was born in 1955. Explain how you think he influenced events in the 19th century.
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  2819.  @Globeisahoax  No explanation from you then?
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  2820.  @KangenAlec  That would only work if the sun was a very, very weak light to begin with; we wouldn't have anyway near the intensity of daylight we observe, the strength of daylight would rapidly increase & decrease over the course of the day, the sun woudl not rise & set and would observably change in size & angular velocity and it does not explain the exact areas illuminated at any given time. It doesn't take any great intelligence to figure out what your sun would behave like but none of you have that intelligence, just like to think you do.
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  2821.  @Globeisahoaxx  You’re denying solar panels as well as telescopes?
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  2822. Because for them YT is just an outlet of knowledge originating elsewhere, information which can be checked at source and reproduced. Any Tom, Dick or Harry can post a video saying whatever they wish and they should not be accepted at face value, particularly if you are uninformed to begin with.
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  2823.  @funfilmphilippines  You are assuming that nothing gets checked, that nobody asks questions if something doesn't work and all information arises from some mysterious source controlling everything. Be it a research scientist or a mechanic flipping open the bonnet on your car, the basic question is whether what they see corresponds to what they have been informed and it gets asked. "Are you saying that no one can get true information just because it's on YouTube?" No, reread my comment slowly & carefully.
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  2824.  @spirit_mechanic  Not the point. Fun Film's argument would be that the mechanic will believe whatever he has been previously told about the car engine regardless of what he sees or what his accumulated hands-on expertise tells him of the engine.
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  2825.  @spirit_mechanic  I can’t directly observe most of what I work with; it’s too small. I can observe indirectly, deduce what is happening and make testable predictions. A scientific theory is an explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  2826.  @spirit_mechanic  Scientific theories are built upon reproducible evidence rather than faith; theories can be modified or replaced as more evidence accumulates. There is evidence of a trail of events leading back to the BB; that we don’t know what initiated the BB does not mean the evidence doesn’t exist or is incorrect. That the universe came from nothing is a misconception. Where did God get the information? What evidence do you have the Bible is correct?
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  2827.  @spirit_mechanic  "This is how it is with creation science." "Creation science" is that quoted while trying to justify the Biblical account. "That isn't logical OR scientific." Because they are two different things. Not knowing what initiated the BB does not magically erase the evidence of the expansion following it. You don't need to know whose finger was on the trigger to track the progress of the bullet. How the BB was initiated has bugger all to do with how planets & stars form. "Something came from nothing is exactly what the Big Bang teaches" No, that the universe and everything we can observe originated from a single point. Nobody says that there was nothing at that single point. "There HAS to be a creator" A claim for which you need to provide evidence. Assuming it to be "intricate and purposeful design" is not such evidence; it is assumption. It doesn't require intelligence just the laws of physics & chemistry over a very long period of time. The desire for a short, tidy explanation is not evidence that there is one. "All yo have to do is look back 6000 years and you will find you answers" Which comes down to wavign a copy of the Bible and asserting it to be true & accurate because you believe it to be. You need to provide evidence. "God IS the information" The claim is that all information comes from somewhere else which means there is no stopping point. "If you will accept Jesus as God and have His Spirit living INSIDE of you" Which is a matter of belief, not evidence. "Hugh Ross" Evolution & abiogenesis are not part of astrophysics, which is where his expertise lies.
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  2828.  @spirit_mechanic  "who, or what, caused the outcome " Are you arguing is that there was no outcome unless we know who fired the bullet? We can reasonably assume that the bullet followed the laws of physics like every other observed object, determine a trajectory through tracing what objects it hit or passed through and possibly determine the type of gun and the most likely firing point. You don't need to know who fired it or what their purpose was to determine any of that and the bullet is not required to have a purpose of its own. Similarly we don't need to know what initiated the BB to trace the resulting expansion. "Evolutionists are constantly 'discovering' new things to make their 'theories' sound better and better" You appear to be arguing that we shouldn't be looking at the world around us? Our knowledge of genetics and cell biology continues to increase because we look and what is found agrees with evolutionary theory and gives us increasing insight on the paths taken. Paleontology can't unfind material; should they stop looking? The more we look, the more our knowledge expands; we do not cherry-pick data to support existing conclusions. The facts don't change; they get added to and evolutionary theory becomes more finely honed as facts increase. Conclusions on particular routes can change as facts increase; the most probable paths taken in hominid evolution is an example. I'm sure Hugh Ross can explain it better but his expertise still lies with astrophysics; he is not an authority on evolution & abiogenesis. He wouldn't be the first to speak as if he was, basing his thinking on a limited (and selected) knowledge of the subjects. "God did it" is favoured by some because it is a quick & easy answer that doesn't require evidence & explanation or any deep thinking and the conclusions are firmly fixed to begin with. Unless you wish to get into the philosophical debate on perception, then I prefer relying on evidence. It is not a matter of belief but establishing facts and determining how the facts form a coherent picture. The picture can certainly change as evidence accumulates but such evidence can not be ignored.
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  2829.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles, angles to Polaris, accurate maps....
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  2830. Ask Congress; they stopped the funding for moon travel.
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  2831.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't produced any evidence of such a Pact. Want to try now?
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  2832.  @littlechineseladyv2517  He’s either a troll or a lunatic; he can’t or won’t answer any questions. A P900 isn’t capable of the resolution required to see a planet which is why he wants you to use that rather than a telescope.
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  2833.  @Globeishoaxx  If FE’ers are so well-educated then why cant you answer any questions?
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  2834.  @KangenAlec  If it's been explained to you then you will have no problem passing on the answers. Why can the sun only illuminate a distorted limited area? How does it retain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity while constantly changing angular diameter & angular velocity? What keeps the sun up? What makes it move?> What makes it change course? What generates the sun's heat & light? What evidence is there for ice barriers? How do you explain the results of the Cavendish Experiment? Come on, you think all the answers are easy peasy so why not try answering at least one?
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  2835. It refers to meteorites that originated from the moon after a collision. It ignores obvious effects of the meteorites being barbecued on the way down.
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  2836. Common answers: A. To fool you (as an end in itself). B. To hide an omnipotent god. C. To take economic advantage of lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. D. Presumably tongue in cheek: for globe manufacturers to sell globes. No explanation ever forthcoming as to how anybody could actually gain given the amount of money that would have to be sunk in to the project or why 200 different governments would be so united in supporting the project.
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  2837. 500 years ago was the transition from geocentric to heliocentric model; it has been down for 2000 years before that that the world was a sphere and a sphere was the centrepoint of the geocentric system. They haven't lost the technology in the sense you mean; the technology (computers, materials, techniques) is too outdated to be of use. It's was relatively easy to get astronauts through the VAB; the problem today is the microcircuitry that controls everything on a spacecraft and is far more sensitive to what radiation does enter than the humans on board. The hot gases from the combustion chamber go one way, the rocket goes the other; it's the third law of motion.
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  2838.  @KangenAlec  Wilful stupidity. You haven’t noticed that you can’t answer questions despite hailing yourself as well-informed on the subject?
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  2839. Modern translations start with the original Hebrew & Greek. The criticism was specifically for the KJV which translated the Latin to English.
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  2840.  @KangenAlec  Dubay doesn't explain anything; he just makes unfounded pronouncements that people like gobble up without thinking.
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  2841.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2842. We already have abundant photos of a round Earth with more being continually taken.
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  2843.  @Globeisahoax  Produce this evidence.
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  2844. It's the difference between opinion and fact. Whether a religion is correct is a matter of opinion; that the Earth is globe is a demonstrable fact.
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  2845.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in any evidence of that. Don’t you have it?
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  2846.  @KangenAlec  How exactly would the Earth being a globe enslave people?
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  2847.  @KangenAlec  And none of you can answer.
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  2848. It isn’t.
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  2849.  @Globeisahoax  Which is a projection of the globe, not a FE map. It even says so on it and you can't understand.
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  2850. The Koran was written about a millennium after the Earth was deduced to be a sphere.
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  2851.  @juliorodriguez1634  The Ancient Greek philosophers deduced it around 500BC and it was the centre point of the Ptolemaic model around 100AD.
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  2852.  @garydickson  Reread what I wrote and think.
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  2853.  @KangenAlec  The moon has features in its surface; “luminaries” do not. How does everybody see the same features?
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  2854. What points do you think the FE’ers had?
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  2855. Meniscus, raindrops, waterfalls.
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  2856. It’s heavily edited to make each side appear equal.
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  2857.  @KangenAlec  Great - explain why the sun observably doesn’t follow the path predicted by FE.
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  2858. They champion the inability to think.
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  2859. Deviation from a perfect sphere is a fraction of a per cent, apparent only with highly accurate measurements.
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  2860.  @uravity16  The armed penguins pulled you back up?
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  2861. They don’t. There are documents concerning theoretical aerodynamics (the discussion preceding building an experimental aircraft) where they limited the maths to the airflow by ignoring weight loss as the fuel was consumed, flexibility in the airframe and compensating for the terrain. The last meant assuming a flat earth.
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  2862.  @KangenAlec  And he's no better at coming up with evidence than you are.
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  2863. The deviation from a perfect sphere being miniscule.
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  2864. Because they are big and they are bright. Have you heard of triangulation?
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  2865. "Imagine having credible people assessing that the earth is indeed not round." You'll be waiting a long time. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was round form the motion of the sun & stars; we are still waiting on FE explanations for what is observable.
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  2866.  @Globeisahoax  Convincing to the ignorant & credulous.
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  2867.  @KangenAlec  The sun’s motion, angle to Polaris etc
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  2868. Don’t confuse gender and sex; the former is sociological, the latter biological.
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  2869.  @KangenAlec  Movement of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  2870.  @Globeisahoax  How do you think NASA is manipulating the sun?
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  2871.  @KangenAlec  By measuring the sun & moon’s motions.
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  2872.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  2873.  @KangenAlec  If it’s not a belief then why can’t you produce the evidence?
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  2874. Jubilee went snip snip.
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  2875.  @Globeishoax  Like you.
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  2876.  @Globeisahoax  On the artist’s impression?
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  2877. Like paleontology and molecular biology? How much evidence do you need?
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  2878.  @mahmouddezyanian4474  Hypothesis from Darwin 160 years, substantiated by extensive work in the interval and is accepted as a scientific theory (not the vernacular meaning of theory) as a result of the accumulated evidence. Denying the evidence is not going to change that.
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  2879.  @mahmouddezyanian4474  Because very, very few remains are preserved; the vast majority of corpses are eaten or rot away. There’s never going to be a continuous line of descendants; that’s for genealogists. It is possible to trace the appearance & disappearance of many species and determine the branching & transitions.
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  2880.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t said how you I measured the sun as small & local and you’re still denying telescopes exist.
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  2881.  @BunnieWabbit  "it's the truth" How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity when FE means it has a variable angular diameter & velocity. How does it appear to rise & set when it shouldn't come within 10-20 degrees of the horizon? You mean a nuclear fusion reactor. How do you think is suspicious?
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  2882.  @BunnieWabbit  Like the rest you cant answer the question.
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  2883.  @BunnieWabbit  How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity when FE means it has a variable angular diameter & velocity. How does it appear to rise & set when it shouldn't come within 10-20 degrees of the horizon
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  2884.  @BunnieWabbit  Same questions would apply.
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  2885. Ali in astrophysics but I don’t recall if the other gave their speciality. However all fields have a common principles of applying reason to evidence accumulated from experimentation & observation.
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  2886.  @leto1449  First name and "I jump out of planes" satisfies you that the FE'era are genuine people but first name and stating their very identifiable unique or near-unique posts means the scientists are actors? If anybody was paid then ALL SIX were paid.
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  2887.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom.
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  2888. They didn't present any evidence, just wilful ignorance and incredulity. You don't readily perceive curvature directly because the world is 1000x larger than they are envisaging. They don't comprehend that an object can pass beyond the limit of your visual acuity long before reaches the horizon (you can zoom it back into view any time before it reaches the horizon); they just assume there can only be one reason why they can't see something. Blue Marble was a single frame photo taken from Apollo 17 in 1972 while Blue Marble 2 (Blue Marble 2012) is the composite image from low orbit satellite shots; they aren't the same picture.
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  2889. That would be nuts 🥜😊
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  2890.  @KangenAlec  There are no FE maps on Instagram; the Gleason projection is a globe map. What's preventing you from producing one?
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  2891.  @KangenAlec  Like the setting sun, the boats can be observed to disappear from the bottom up. AS with the setting sun, FE'ers have yet to provide any evidence they can zoom in on something that has actually gone over the horizon. You're just stuck mindlessly claiming that visual acuity & horizon are the same thing.
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  2892. "FE's LET the RE's talk" The FE'ers kept interrupting them.
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  2893.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who cant answer any questions…
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  2894. You’re ascribing near omnipotence & infallibility to The Government (an incredibly long/lived body) and a total lack of scrutiny among the populace. Please don’t say you’re calling FE’ers “aware”.
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  2895.  @aaronslingerland4924  By all means. Explain to me how The Government was fooling precivilisation populations that the sun rose & set.
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  2896.  @KangenAlec  Straight line as no deviation to the left or right but, like all projectiles, it follows an arc between source & target. Not difficult for most people to understand.
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  2897.  @KangenAlec  Countered by buoyancy which is dependent on the existence of gravity (if there is no downwards pressure then the water can't exert an upwards pressure).
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  2898. It would be slightly lower towards the edges since you would be further away from the centre of gravity but the angle would become increasingly steep until it was like climbing a sheer cliff face.
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  2899. FE'ers can't comprehend the difference between the limits of visual acuity and your vision being blocked; more than one reason for an effect seems to be beyond your comprehension. Similarly, more than one factor determining how far you can see appears to be beyond your comprehension. Both are explained to you over and over and over, but hell no, one more than one factor is too mindbending for you. Why can't any of you zoom the set sun back into view?
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  2900. Not knowing how something works and knowing something doesn't work are two quite different things.
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  2901.  @KangenAlec  The lake is crescent shape and bordered by mountains; at what point on the shoreline do you think you can see the length of it?
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  2902.  @KangenAlec  The lake is crescent shape and bordered by mountains; at what point on the shoreline do you think you can see the length of it?
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  2903.  @Globeishoax  All of which make sense on a globe and generally indicate the FE'ers gullibility and inability to handle three dimensions. Any explanation yet for direct flights between the southern continents?
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  2904.  @KangenAlec  None of you have ever gone to confirm your idea; that’s his point.
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  2905.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Why does observable reality disagree with that predicted by FE?
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  2906.  @KangenAlec  The Karman line is about 100km but we’re still waiting on your answer as to where the Kangen line is.
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  2907.  @KangenAlec  Why doesn’t the sun behave as you would predict on a FE model?
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  2908. Which is why they don’t believe in FE.
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  2909. They think either the sun acts as a spotlight despite appearing round (rather than oval) from every angle or that light mysteriously just stops at different distances that would give a pattern that just happens to looks like the Earth is a globe. They have no concept of a FE sun changing size & speed in the course of the day or any explanation how it rises & sets without coming within 15 degrees of the horizon.
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  2910. Most can’t say what these obvious signs of doctoring are (it is amazing the number of people who claim they can instantly spot CGI even before CGI was possible) while others point to the effects of image compression as “proof” the original photo was forged.
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  2911.  @KangenAlec  Have you ever heard of the big lie?
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  2912. Why is the shadow on a lunar eclipse always circular? How many shapes have a circular cross-section from all angles? Lunar phases are due to the orbit of the moon changing how much of the sunlit side we can see.
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  2913.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe; your razor sharp perception completely complete fails to read the title. How the heck can you manage to write so much if you can't read?
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  2914.  @KangenAlec  Then produce some plausible evidence it is FE.
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  2915.  @KangenAlec  What's your definition of pseudoscience?
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  2916.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  2917.  @flatearthisahoax4030  Abundant proof of Earth being a globe. That you don’t know something exists does not mean you know it doesn’t.
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  2918. They insist the only valid evidence for anything is personal direct observation. Curiously they don't deny Wi-fi exists.
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  2919. The video has been heavily edited; we don't know what was said in most of it. Strictly speaking, the topic is about trusting science rather than the shape of the Earth, which is why they didn't concentrate on proving the shape.
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  2920.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence?
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  2921.  @KangenAlec  How would it only light up a select, totally misshapen area?
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  2922.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes do exist in your mind then? Would you like to me to run the Greeks’ methods yet again? How many times do I need to say it for something to stick?
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  2923.  @Globeishoaxx  Still denying telescopes I see…
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  2924. Gravity is the interaction of two masses, eg, Earth & ocean, Earth & birds. Since birds don’t have the same mass as an ocean there isn’t the same gravitational pull. Birds also have wings to counter the gravity, oceans do not.
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  2925.  @KangenAlec  65.6ft and that doesn’t take into account the elevation & refraction necessary for dealing with reality.
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  2926. They seem to visualise it as 25-250 miles in circumference. They seem incapable of dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles.
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  2927. Evidence?
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  2928.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescope exist…
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  2929. Supplying you with the relevant evidence is “gaslighting”? You make the usual mistake of assuming science is simple and think that any degree of complexity exists solely yo fool you.
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  2930.  @KangenAlec  If you understand it then why can't you answer questions?
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  2931. No sense of scale.
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  2932.  @KangenAlec  Produce a copy.
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  2933.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on what you think the camera resolution and magnification need to be for such a shot. You claim to have it all worked so why can’t you answer?
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  2934. She thinks gravity can be isolated like a chemical element.
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  2935.  @Globeisahoax  Which is an azimuthal projection of the globe and does not contain a working scale. How do you think navigation is possible without a scale?
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  2936.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on any of you to provide evidence of a dome or even that the Earth is flat.
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  2937.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained why an artist's impression is proof, how a spherical sun could only light a limited misshapen area much less how the FE sun is supposed to produce the sun we actually see. You've had two years to produce the answers that you claim are at your fingertips. What could the delay possibly be?
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  2938. It hasn't been rewritten; most translations have been done from the original Greek & Hebrew, presented in a prevailing style and make use of synonyms.
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  2939.  @Ellliewheeler  No translation is perfect but you can also compare the different translations into a particular language to see any such errors & differences. Rewritten multiple times implies serial translation, something which is avoided. As far as I’m aware the content of the Dead Sea Scrolls matches what exists today.
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  2940.  @Ellliewheeler  I made no comment about the content, just about the translation.
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  2941. @Manlyman Lad Either his brain can’t handle such a mistake or he’s trying to avoid answering the question asked.
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  2942.  @KangenAlec  What magnification do you think that would require?
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  2943.  @KangenAlec  Distance.
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  2944.  @KangenAlec  For the third time today, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  2945.  @KangenAlec  You’re after a seat on that flight?
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  2946.  @Globeishoaxx  Still flummoxed by the concept of measurement, I see.
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  2947.  @Nathan-zd8ew  What did you do to measure the distance to the FE sun?
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  2948.  @Nathan-zd8ew  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. That’s how the ancient Greeks deduced Earth was a sphere; we are still waiting on FE’ers to explain how all that is supposed to work on a FE. Do you want go try enlightening people?
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  2949. We determined the Earth was a globe over 2 millennia ago and today have it fully mapped and are taking multiple photos per hour. What evidence do you think calls into doubt that the Earth is s globe? Until someone actually does that, as opposed to repeating ignorant & incredulous claims, there is no obligation to give the notion of a FE any serious consideration.
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  2950.  @kitcanyon658  Frequently gets frustrating when you’re endlessly repeating yourself pointing out their errors & misconceptions.
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  2951. You can’t see them through clouds.
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  2952.  @Globeisahoax  There’s this concept called measurement…
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  2953. You realise that books are not written only by a secret cabal intent on fooling people? That the people writing most books have first hand knowledge that the content is correct?
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  2954.  @KangenAlec  Weiss is very convincing to the totally gullible.
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  2955. Still waiting on the FE explanation for how you think people could make money from a globe hoax.
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  2956.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees and there is no top & bottom to the globe. You are so slow.
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  2957.  @KangenAlec  once again, blockhead: motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles. Still waiting on your explanations.
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  2958.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't said what magnification and camera resolution you think that would require.
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  2959.  @KangenAlec  What are the Stones planning and, more importantly, how are stones capable of planning?
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  2960.  @KangenAlec  Who’s being paying off millions of people for a few thousand years?
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  2961.  @Globeisahoax  What makes you think you know there isn’t?
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  2962.  @KangenAlec  How does GPS work in the middle of the ocean?
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  2963.  @KangenAlec  How?
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  2964.  @KangenAlec  Claims for which you have failed to provide any evidence.
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  2965. Assumptions are based on facts but facts are not based on assumptions.
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  2966.  @isaacreain  What scientific assumptions aren’t based on fact?
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  2967.  @isaacreain  "I can prove more easily a single assumption that is not based on facts" Then do so. Scientific theories are based on the existing evidence; they are not assumptions. What is known increases with time; something that explained what was known at particular time may be subsequently found to be incorrect as evidence continues to accumulate. That something is eventually found to be incorrect does not mean it was founded on any evidence.
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  2968.  @isaacreain  You mean you cant provide an example to back up what you are saying.
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  2969. Science explanations are evidence-based, FE’ers seize on what sounds different regardless if its veracity.
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  2970.  @boterlettersukkel  Hopefully so since I wouldn't wish being that thick on anyone.
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  2971.  @Globeisahoax  When you have a light on one side of a sphere then only that side of the sphere is lit. Lit = daytime, unlit = night. You still haven’t explained how the FE sun would only light a limited misshapen area.
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  2972.  @Globeisahoax  Why would a rotational axis require an up & down?
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  2973. Those documents state what they are assuming to simplifymaths, eg, planes not losing mass even as they burn off fuel.
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  2974.  @prababkrsnan162  1. Assumption is it knowledge. 2. It makes sense that ships made of iron will sink.
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  2975.  @KangenAlec  Once again, only the KJV uses that word.
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  2976.  @larriciasanders  Uranus, not Saturn; it's a gas giant and can be observed to rotate using a powerful telescope, thus the conclusion about the axial tilt. The purpose of proving the Earth is globe is expanding out knowledge.
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  2977.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your answer: why is the lit area so limited and misshapen?
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  2978. The Earth was determined to be a sphere about a millennium before the Koran was written.
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  2979.  @KangenAlec  It wasn't included when the Bible was first compiled, centuries before the Vatican came into existence. How many times have I told you that now?
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  2980.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. We are still waiting for FE’ers to explain any of those.
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  2981.  @Globeisahoax  In which case the moon’s appearance would be different when it was at the horizon.
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  2982. Kepler but he & Galileo were contemporaries.
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  2983. Too long since I watched; are you referring to isolating gravity?
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  2984. Some also say it’s an infinite plain of water or other continents. None have done anything to check what is there.
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  2985.  @KangenAlec  You need to produce a FE map. The Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  2986. As Kangen demonstrates, they don't.
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  2987. 71 space agencies; there is only one space station currently. 😊
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  2988. Produce the evidence to back up this “truth”. Explain how the motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles and carrying constellations are possible on a FE that contradicts them.
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  2989.  @antaug14  What’s the relevance? Produce the evidence.
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  2990.  @antaug14  I ask for the relevance because the Bible is a religious text not a scientific or geographic one. Someone quoting s particular verse and claiming it trumps observable reality is not an argument, much less a convincing argument. Do you accept that consideration means exactly that, not automatic unquestioning acceptance and adulation? That consideration means critiquing the evidence put forward?
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  2991.  @antaug14  The Bible does not provide any evidence that the Earth is flat. That the OT has verses that infer it is flat is reflection of the assumptions of the writers. Why do you think an interpretation of a verse in the Bible would trump observable reality?
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  2992.  @antaug14  I've been asking you to produce the evidence you claim to possess. As I've already pointed out, consideration means exactly that, not unquestioning acceptance and adulation.
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  2993. The notions on FE websites are no more concrete than what the FE’ers said here. They may be better presented but still don’t hold water. The shrimp treadmill cost <$50. It was a trial device for stress-testing shrimp as one measure of their prevailing health when coping with contaminated water. Since shrimps are eaten by humans the impact on their impacts what you eat.
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  2994. Scientific theory not the vernacular meaning theory and there is ample evidence for expansion over time from a one starting point.
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  2995.  @KangenAlec  Why not the Southern Cross explosion? There are celestial poles so why Polaris?
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  2996.  @jenarcana  Given a 25,000 mile circumference how many degrees curvature would you expect to observe per mile? You're making the usual mistake of visualising the Earth as 100 to 1000 times smaller than it actually is then wanting to know why you can't see the curvature you would expect from an object that size. You don't see it because the Earth is 100 to 1000 times larger than you are visualising. "Gravity doesnt exist. Its about density." Still waiting on any of the FE experts to explain how density would act as a force and why in a consistent direction. All they ever come up with is the Law of Just Does. "Im convinced it is a larger extending plane" Based on what evidence? So many FE'ers claim that but NONE can produce anything to back that.
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  2997.  @jenarcana  Because it was 440BC. His contemporaries were deducing why the EArth was a sphere. A spherical Earth was at the centre of the Ptolemaic system in 100AD.
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  2998. ​ @jenarcana  Yes, I have looked into it: I find nothing but ignorance & incredulity. Dubay says things fall because of density but provides no explanation as to how density could act as a force or why objects fall in a consistent direction at the same speed regardless of the strength & direction of his "density force"; I was automatically kicked off his YT group because I asked that (politely). None of the people professing a good understanding of the subject can answer me. Similarly he quotes 8"/mile^2 as calculating distance to the horizon, ignores how it is actually calculated (curvature, elevation, refraction) and then wants to know why he gets the wrong answer; gullible people take him at his word that he using the right maths. He can't figure out how birds fly and oceans don't (portraying gravity to be an irresistible force) when it doesn't take much thought to realise that birds have wings & muscles; they fly for the same reason you can lift your foot off the floor. I suggest you look at Professor Dave's channel, particularly the "10 Things All Flatearthers Say" and "10 Challenges for Flatearthers"; still waiting on any FE'er to explain where he is wrong or answer any of the challenges. He now has three more videos explaining why a FE doesn't match observable reality and still no explanations from the FE experts how it is supposed to work. Notably, "do the research" is one of the things all FE'ers say; they can never explain for themselves. "The earth is more than the government and the scientists of nasa are saying it is" NASA & governments have nothing to do with the shape of the Earth; they are just invoked as bogeymen by those who want you to think there is no way to verify it for yourself. It will take some travel or long distance contacts but you can do it with sticks & shadows, noting the positions of stars and observing the motion of the sun. All FE'ers can come up with is zooming in on ships because they don't realise that the limits of visual acuity does not disprove a horizon (an object can pass beyond your acuity well before it reaches the horizon; you need to wait until has actually gone over the horizon before zooming it back into view; obvious target is the sun and we are still waiting on any FE'er to demonstrate that they can zoom a set sun back into view), shining lasers across a lake with no thought given to factors & measurements or incredulous claims of "how can see that far" while standing on a mountain. Still waiting on any evidence of a dome, edge or ice-wall, just moaning about a clause in the Antarctic Treaty that all claim to have read but none can give a reference to (the document is downloadable, readable and lacking in such clause). "Gravity is barely hanging on as acceptable science" Gravity is well established, long since proven to exist and totally predictable. The "problems" arise from people who don't understand what they are talking about, e.g., assuming that near constant gravitational attraction equals irresistible attraction or working on the assumption that only one force can act at a time., though they can never explain why. If you have any questions then I would be happy to answer them.
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  2999. ​ @jenarcana  Rotation generates centrifugal force, an apparent force arising from the combination of rotational force & inertia. Centrifugal force at the equator is about 0.5% that of Earth's gravity, requiring the recalibration of balances with changing latitudes. That gravity is not understood by some students does not make gravity doubtful or wrong; that is ignorance and lack of understanding on the students' part. Newtonian physics expresses gravity as a direct force between two objects; relativity expresses as space-time curvature caused by an object's gravitational field that in turn affects the path of a moving object. Unless there are extremely large masses or high speeds involved the latter can be readily visualised as the former; it is an apparent force like centrifugal force. That it exists is not disputed. Globebusters raised $20k to buy a laser gyroscope. Mad Mike raised $8000 to fund his rocketry attempts. Funding for Antarctic trip is not prohibitive. A cheaper alternative would be a plane ticket to Ushaia, Argentina during the southern summer solstice; lying close to the Antarctic Circle it has 23hrs sunlight, 1 hr dusk at the solstice as predicted by the globe and denied by FE. Alternatively a good quality telescope would enable you to triangulate the positions of Polaris & the sun, something we are still waiting for FE'ers to do. You could include a solar filter and further measure the size & movement of the sun (again still waiting from FE'ers) and satisfy yourself that the planets are real and not "wandering luminaries". You could also indulge in a theodolite and actually try measuring curvature; similarly we are still waiting for FE'ers to do it. There is a Antarctic circumnavigational yacht race; the distance around Antarctica is well established by numerous people, not an unknown. You do not need to explore the continent itself to be able to circumnavigate it. The distance is always about 13,5000 miles, not 60,000 miles. It is not difficult to distinguish the difference which is why FE'ers never mention the race. Numerous people have now crossed Antarctica, leaving one side and appearing on the other. Other than the proposed Pacman effect or the assertion they have walked 30,000 miles rather than 900 miles without noticing we are still waiting on a FE'er explanation for this. Oblation is the ratio of major and minor axes on an ellipsoid cross-section. A frisbee's oblation is about 80%. The Earth's oblateness is about 0.3%, not something discernible to the eye. For most intents and purposes the Earth is a near perfect sphere. Numbers are important when describing something which is one reason FE'ers tend to skip them. Jennifer, all you have done is regurgitate inane FE'er assertions that can be readily shot down with a modicum of knowledge and the will to think. Data and methodology are crucial in science; FE'ers dodge proving each, relying on plausible sounding phrasing and the hope the audience doesn't think.
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  3000.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question.
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  3001. ​ @KangenAlec  How did you measure the distance to the sun? What keeps it up? What moves it? Why does it only illuminate a set area? Why does it remain the same size throughout the day? How does it rise & set? Why do you think it remains set distance from you while it is moving? Come on! You're the man with the answers eager to inform everybody!
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  3002.  @KangenAlec  You think that in 2500 years nobody has looked at the sun’s motion?
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  3003.  @NSUS1  "Flat earthers have...points on nasa images and other information" They don't; they sound plausible if you don't know much. The stars are missing because of camera exposure times, Blue Marble 2 is not the only picture of Earth and there are no documents saying the Earth is flat; no matter how many times it is explained to them they remain convince that they have "good points".
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  3004.  @NSUS1  Experimenation takes a degree of expertise which FE’ers lack; you can’t deal with variables by ignoring them and expect to get the right answer.
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  3005.  @KangenAlec  How does your plumbing work?
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  3006. Have you ever thought to check any of the blurble conspiracy theory videos give you? Explain how you happily accept multiple altitudes ranging from 20 to 200 miles are all the same altitude.
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  3007.  @KangenAlec  By people who have gone through your impenetrable dome into space you say doesn’t exist?
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  3008. "pseudo democratic" Representative democracy. Democracy takes many forms, not simply direct democracy.
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  3009. Heavy editing by the producers.
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  3010.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3011. Are any of you capable of thinking beyond one single picture? How many others need to be taken before you consider the possibility others have been, are being and will be taken?
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  3012.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris two celestial poles, accurate maps....
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  3013. The only link FE’ers seem to see between scientists and labs is through their own experience; they have had lessons in labs. One person with a university degree (not a FE’er) thought the teaching lab was the only lab on the campus.
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  3014. Because it would give him a legitimacy he doesn't deserve. Ask a question on his YT channel and you are rapidly banned; only the oohing & aahing sycophants are allowed. His assertions have already been repeatedly and thoroughly debunked. People still keep bringing up his assertions even when the errors and lies have been explained to them.
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  3015.  @acy2315  He refuses to acknowledge telescopes exist.
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  3016.  @KangenAlec  It’s a depiction of the membership.
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  3017. "What will happen to your job..." If they came up with conclusive evidence the Earth was indeed flat with plausible explanations for how everybody could have been seriously mistaken for 2000 years then they would be in line for a Nobel prize. "their science belief system" We call it evidence, something that is obtained from active research. "who tested the science and found it to be flawed" I'm sure that you think you have but all you actually do is demonstrate your profound ignorance and lack of understanding. How far you can see is defined by multiple factors but you, like all FE'ers, are incapable of thinking beyond one thing at a time. "Then you are a free thinker." A fundamental requirement is that you think, like asking basic questions about what defines how far you can see and how you can measure such distances. "these science people did not go out and perform a scientific experiment to test the validity of their belief system" What do you think we do in labs?
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  3018. Vaiyasaki Das I asked you what you think we do in labs; answer the question.
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  3019. Vaiyasaki Das Can you be arsed to determine where the predicted horizon is before zooming in with your binoculars or are just assuming it must gone over the horizon because you can’t see it?
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  3020. Vaiyasaki Das So you have no idea what we do in labs, you just believe you do because you think you know how grants are awarded. In academia the are funding agencies, private & government, who have a block of money they can use for assigning grants. Grant applications, laying out the aims and work anticipated, are written by the scientists and submitted to agencies covering the appropriate fields. Review committees within each agency, usually staffed by other scientists from outside the agency, select the grants they think are likely to be the most productive. The applications selected receive funding, the obligation being that the bulk of the money is spent on the research described in the grant; there is no obligation to arrive at specific results. There is no master plan dictating what can be funded or looked at. It is accepted that a small proportion of most grants will be spent on other lines of research; since applications require preliminary results to back the reasoning, that is accepted by the funding agencies. Companies do it differently, the money being entirely internal. Ultimately they need information that can be used to make marketable products. To be be marketable they need to work, not fulfil someone’s idea of how they would like the universe to work. A fundamental part of an experiment is the control, something which may not have been made clear to you in school. That is the part that will produce a known result based on what is already established to be correct. Your argument is that nobody is noticing the controls are producing the wrong results.
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  3021. Vaiyasaki Das Covid-19 is a wild type virus; gene manipulation leaves detectable traces behind where specific mechanisms have been used to insert or remove DNA.
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  3022. Vaiyasaki Das You failed to answer my question; we’re you arsed to predict where the horizon was from your vantage point?
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  3023. Vaiyasaki Das Designing an experiment requires that you take into account all variables, make predictions according to your hypothesis and take accurate measurements. I’ve asked you twice how you predicted the distance to the horizon from your vantage point and how you measured the distance to the ship. You’re claiming to have done it so have the guts to answer the questions. Earthrise & Blue Marble were taken in film in single frame shots. We currently have several high orbit satellites regularly taking full Hemisphere shots; Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC have immediate download. Blue Marble 2 was a composite and the inability of many people to think beyond one particular photograph is indicative of their stupidity. WGS84 has government funding, have the shape mapped to the square and people like you are still whining.
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  3024. ​ @vaiyasakidas8178  While every day, general purpose cameras come with similar lenses professional cameras do not; they are fitted with lenses that are appropriate with the task in hand, which is why you see professional photographers carrying a case with different mountable lenses. The Apollo cameras were fitted with wide-angle lenses to capture the maximum amount of detail within each shot. The wider the angle you have covered by one shot, the less area each object in the shot can occupy. Consequently the Earth looks smaller than you expected. Without a scale being included in shots there is no way to determine the size of the object. Humans surviving the VAB is a cinch; the Apollo astronauts passed at speed through the weak periphery in a craft with an aluminium hulls, carbon fibre insulation and the water tanks placed between inner & outer hulls. The total radiation dosage was the equivalent of a couple of X-rays. The problem today is that everything is controlled by electronics, with chips containing circuitry that is only a few atoms wide; they are far more sensitive to radiation than the astronauts and their failure could be catastrophic. The original magnetic tapes on which the telemetry data was recorded no long exist; tapes went the same way as floppies. Telemetry data is just the flow of information about the second to second functioning of each craft: temperatures, fuel usage, oxygen levels etc. The data was processed and went into reports after each mission; there was no reason to hang onto the original data. If the tapes did still exist then you would need the means (long since gone) to read the tapes, it wouldn't mean anything if you weren't an Apollo engineer and demonstrates nothing about the missions. Why somebody would file a FOI request after it has already been ascertained the tapes were no longer around is beyond me. There is abundant evidence still available, readily downloadable if you wish to read it. Morale of the tale: check facts carefully before believing conspiracy theories. None of the above is secret.
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  3025. In science everything is repeatedly measured and recorded, not eyeballed, to avoid such prejudice.
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  3026.  @KangenAlec  I would earn more if I hadn’t pursued a scientific career. The purpose of scientific falsification is that you attempt to disprove hypotheses rather than look for evidence to support them; nothing is accepted as dogma.
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  3027.  @Globeishoaxx  Visit Prof Dave’s debate with him.
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  3028. The balloon hopefully 😊
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  3029. "cars can run on water" How? "when made them coin that term" It's derived from the Bible.
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  3030.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3031.  @rosier5428  That you don’t understand the fine details of climate change is not profound insight that there us a conspiracy involving everybody ignoring their own procedures; it’s your lack of understanding.
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  3032.  @npkpchannel4505  We’re using telescopes; he thinks they don’t exist.
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  3033.  @Globeisahoax  When down is towards the centre of the globe (as you have been told repeatedly) there us no reason for the plane to flip.
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  3034. Many people conflate the two.
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  3035.  @KangenAlec  Proof is needed.
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  3036.  @Globeisahoax You still haven't said what lens size & magnification such a camera would require; what's the hold up?
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  3037.  @gaymansendnudespls9746  Kangen is a committed denialist.
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  3038. The bombs were exploded from a range of 2 miles to 200 miles over the sane location. What height are you saying your dome is?
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  3039. No ice-wall, no dome, no edge, no killer penguins. What do you think he found?
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  3040.  @cherylzubrycky1799  He saw mountains. He said quite explicitly that he saw mountains.
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  3041. The video is heavily edited.
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  3042.  @normalperson397  Most of them believe they have the single & universal model.
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  3043.  @KangenAlec  Try answering his question.
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  3044.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for why perspective would make anything disappear from the bottom up.
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  3045. And yet it us that produce the working explanations & technology. FE’ers can’t explain anything; do you regard that as ideal?
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  3046. He also clearly stated how tiny the deviation was from a perfect sphere. The deviation is so tiny that it isn’t apparent to the eye. Simple as that.
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  3047.  @hernanandreziebell773  There’s a rule of thumb that was used by land surveyors in pre-calculator days to estimate drop over several miles. It assumes no change in elevation and no significant atmospheric refraction. FE’ers assume 8”/mile^2 is accurate for all purposes and that distance is the only variable. In practice elevation is a key detail as is atmospheric refraction over longer distances. The woman was able to see the top of a mountain 60 miles away because she was half way up a mountain herself. By definition the top of mountain is elevated. Zooming ships back into view works on the erroneous assumption that the limit of visual acuity and horizon must be the same thing because they have a similar effect, ie, not seeing the ship. In actuality an object can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; as long as it hasn’t reached the horizon it can be zoomed back into view. The setting sun is indisputably gone below the horizon (we see it disappearing from the bottom up); nobody has managed to zoom it back into view.
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  3048.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees; you have real problems with numbers, don't you?
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  3049. It was unknown at the time that a fetus would respond differently to a reagent than would a child or adult.
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  3050.  @KangenAlec  Have you heard of homeostasis?
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  3051.  @Globeishoaxx  You haven’t been able to answer any of my questions and you call yourself knowledgeable?
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  3052.  @Globeisahoax  Why not answer questions if you want to convince people?
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  3053. Ask google which day your rubbish is picked up.
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  3054.  @tezlatower2362  He’s one of the club who believes that veracity should be judged solely on how well the assertion supports the desired conclusion.
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  3055. I can’t say that I run claiming things are simple; I usually find myself explaining that something is more complex than someone is visualising. The problem with FE’ers and the like is that even after physics lessons they can’t seem to grasp the notion of more than one variable in a problem. Their level of reasoning is appalling; they can’t seem to get beyond the intuitive or (conspirators aside) comprehend that someone could know something they don’t.
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  3056. It’s a really bug mystery - why would a pioneer of space travel have a reference go the stars on his tombstone? What possible connection is there? Obviously he’s sending a coded message…
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  3057.  @johnqpublic7608  Quite, but some people can’t seem to make the connection.
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  3058. Do you have any evidence for such an entity or that the universe was created by that entity?
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  3059.  @Globeisahoax  Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Why can’t FE’ers explain any of that?
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  3060.  @matlabatt  In academia most money comes as research grants from various government-supported funding bodies.
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  3061.  @matlabatt  There's c. 200 countries in the world each with their own specific system; I gave you the generic description. Do you have a particular country in mind or do you expect me to run through every country? Everybody with the relevant expertise worked on SARS-CoV2 regardless of where they were.
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  3062. If it isn't parody then what do you think we have labs for?
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  3063.  @KangenAlec  Whereas FE'ers prefer the hallowed Law of Just Does to explain why objects fall. Still no evidence these mysterious lands exist?
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  3064.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  3065.  @2000....  They never give a plausible answer.
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  3066.  @KangenAlec  The Antarctic Treaty does not contain any such clause. FE'er keep claiming it does but none of you can ever say which clause. Why don't you just say?
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  3067. You’re saying we should reach the conclusion opposed by the evidence to prove we are open-minded?
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  3068.  @dimitriisov1262  That something can’t be proved absolutely does not mean something can’t be disproved. If something thinks they have evidence then they are obliged to produce it if they wish to be listened to. If someone can’t understand the evidence they do not have fantastic insight that the evidence points elsewhere; it means they don’t understand.
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  3069.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have provided no examples ad no explanation how it would determine the veracity of something proven 2500 years earlier.
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  3070. Someone who wants to be seen as a critical thinker but who doesn’t want to do the actual thinking.
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  3071.  @KangenAlec  How exactly when the Vatican was formed centuries after the Bible’s content was finalized?
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  3072. Depends on how big the object is; the sun is huge. The other planets aren’t stationary. Both you and the clouds are in motion; you’re looking at the difference between you & the clouds.
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  3073. Direct flights do exist. There are regular flights between Sydney & Santiago that wouldn’t be possible on a FE.
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  3074.  @my2centz545  How would time zones hide distance?
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  3075.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3076.  @CelestinoLanza  How does anybody hide the motion of the sun?
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  3077.  @CelestinoLanza  Say whose these FE scientists are.
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  3078.  @swaggykevin1522  Not anywhere near as dangerous as Covid.
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  3079.  @swaggykevin1522  And the vaccines a 99.999% survival rate.
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  3080.  @swaggykevin1522  Explain how.
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  3081.  @swaggykevin1522  For promoting off-label use, not selling inadequate or dangerous drugs.
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  3082. Observation and/or experimentation.
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  3083.  @Dave-uj3tf  You use the initial observation to formulate a hypothesis from which you can predict an outcome to specific conditions. You can wait for those circumstances to arise naturally or devise an experiment to create those conditions. Either way, you observe the outcome and the cycle continues.
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  3084.  @KangenAlec  I keep asking you what magnification you think is necessary and all I get from you is crickets. How difficult a calculation can it be?
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  3085.  @Dave-uj3tf  The lab emergency shower has a set volume & flow rate (IV). I can test the repairs to my umbrella by standing under it, pulling the handle and see how much water makes it through (DV). Alternatively I can step outside, wait for rain and measure water accumulation underneath (DV) & beyond (IV) the umbrella. I don't have to control the rain, just observe.
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  3086.  @Dave-uj3tf  I was pointing out that I can control the water flow (experiment) or take advantage of a measurable water flow for similar purpose (observation); the conclusion would both be valid. The former is much preferred in science but it is not the necessity portrayed by those who wish to dismiss whole branches of science rather than provide their own valid explanations for what they observe. "Astrophysics, Astronomy and Cosmology have never produced a viable hypothesis" Like the existence of Neptune and CMB? "Natural law, science and logic agree with flat earth." So why can't any of you provide this evidence? "if space were a vast, near-vacuum we would not have gas pressure" Unless there was something acting upon the gas to keep it close to Earth, ie.e., gravity. "the earth does not spin beneath helicopters, balloons or planes" Conservation of momentum, the same reasons a thrown ball keeps moving when it breaks contact with your hand. "we do not observe a physical geometric horizon" The sun rises & sets, not grows & shrinks.
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  3087.  @Dave-uj3tf  I notice you skip CMB. "Gas would fill the available space immediately" Unless acted upon by force, i.e., gravity. Responding to a force is not a violation of the entropy. "Please provide an example of gas pressure without containment." The atmosphere. "Conservation of momentum, lol" The thrown ball doesn't keep moving? The grounded helicopter is moving eastwards with Earth & atmosphere; on take off it continues in that direction unless it modified its momentum. Still waiting on any explanation form a FE'er why conservation of momentum wouldn't apply. "What is your proof that earth is spinning?' Foucault pendulum (no, they are not rigged) and laser gyroscopes (nicely demonstrated by Globebusters). "the earth would fall away from the observer at 8 inches per mile squared" Only if the Earth were devoid of atmosphere and elevation; clearly it is devoid of neither. Incidentally, the equation is a parabola and a rule of thumb that assumes no refraction and no variation in elevation.
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  3088.  @Dave-uj3tf  You think a hypothesis is proof? "please provide the hypothesis used to establish it" The Newtonian hypothesis was direct attraction between masses; the Einstein's hypothesis was an apparent force that resulted from mass causing space-time curvature. Either way gravity would exist and the Cavendish experiment is seen as confirmatory evidence of its existence. Still waiting on a plausible explanation from FE'ers why objects would spontaneously move and do so in a concerted direction. Explain why you think the movement of gas molecules would be unaffected by space-time curvature. The FE model is gas evenly distributed inside a sealed container. Reality is air pressure declining with increasing elevation until it reaches vacuum levels with no detectable sign of a barrier at any elevation. That reality is there for you to observe which is what you asked for. I could point out that we have four gas giants in the solar system as further examples but you would protest that you personally have not witnessed them. " that implies two reference frame" Just the one - a physical outline of the Earth. The gyroscope rotates with the Earth and you see an apparent change in its alignment. Refraction would result in being able to see further, not less (light from beyond the horizon is bent downwards enabling the observer to see objects that would be hidden by a purely geometric horizon. You still need to account for why you all ignore elevation.
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  3089.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees and spheres don’t have a top & bottom
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  3090.  @KangenAlec  Which is an artist's impression and offers no explanation whatsoever for why the FE sun would like up a restricted area. Come on ma, you profess to have the answers and the profound understanding of reality so what's so difficult about answering some elementary questions? Get your finger out and start answering.
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  3091.  @Globeisahoax  There were folks like yourself wheezing away on a respirator, denying it was happening.
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  3092. Complain to Jubilee; they shortened >3hrs to 35mins.
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  3093.  @Globehoax  You haven’t done anything to prove there is a lie. You’ve had 2 years in here and you can’t produce anything but denial.
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  3094. Why do FE’ers deny reality if they wish to know The Truth?
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  3095. Is misinformation good or bad?
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  3096. A book written by people living 2-3000 years ago is going to reflect the limited knowledge possessed by people living 2-3000 years ago. Having Holy Bible on the cover is not going to trump the knowledge we have accumulated since. It can’t be quoted like it is a modern scientific textbook.
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  3097. We have satellites in high enough orbit to collectively take several full hemisphere shits per hour and it doesn’t satisfy them.
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  3098.  @Globeisahoax  You think an artist’s impression is evidence?
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  3099.  @Globeisahoax  Why not educate us by answering questions? It would be far more convincing that just parroting “flat, flat, flat”.
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  3100.  @KangenAlec  The sun doesn’t rise & set?
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  3101. “Disproven easily” We are still waiting on this proof. All we get are claims of “I can see too far”, “water doesn’t bend” and “I can’t see the curve”. Look up Professor Dave and 10 Things all Flatearthers say.
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  3102.  @KangenAlec  Explain why. For something to move a force must be applied to it; what is that force? You all just repeating keep objects rise or fall according to their density and only according to their density which means that density is seen as the force, or should be seen as that force if you bother to think far enough. You all claim to have thought it out to depths untouched by scientists so you should have arrived at that conclusion a long time ago. Answer the question.
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  3103.  @KangenAlec  What's your evidence that he said that and don't point me towards one of your gurus.
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  3104.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3105. They aren't open to reason, only to anything and everything however ill-founded that claims science is wrong.
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  3106.  @KangenAlec  Rowbotham went off on a religious bender.
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  3107. If you’re trying to say FE is correct then it would greatly help if any of you actually produced evidence rather than repetitive ignorance & incredulity.
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  3108. Ask if you’re not sure about something.
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  3109.  @Globeishoaxx  I answer you every time; closing your eyes and stuffing your fingers in your eyes doesn’t alter that.
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  3110. The cherry-picking explanation or the comment about education?
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  3111.  @KangenAlec  Do you? Think before answering.
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  3112. A society that thinks everybody’s opinion is of equal merit is degrading. They would reach the point of believing 2+2=4 is just an opinion.
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  3113. "they have to make the photo look round" It's the features on the surface that will make it look curved as you view them from an increasingly oblique angle. You don't have to distort any photos for that to be apparent.
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  3114. You would need to be more than twice as high to observe a curved horizon. The “upturned edges” was the distortion caused by the porthole. If you wish to test a prediction then you need to meet the parameter values the prediction is based on.
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  3115. They don’t want to see anything in 3D.
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  3116.  @scottgarrison2984  "its density would not allow it to be in a tidal orbit" You mean its mass? It's not the only tidally locked body; the locking requires time. Traceable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable material left there, verifiable material brought back.
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  3117.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't said what your technique for identifying CGI is? Why can't any of you say?
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  3118.  @Globeisahoax  You have both; you deny it.
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  3119.  @scottgarrison2984  It would have required robots of Mars Rover sophistication. The technology didn’t exist.
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  3120.  @scottgarrison2984  It was a chimp and in a suborbital flight (Mercury) that didn’t reach the VAB. The USSR sent the dog and for the same purpose; testing the equipment. The chimp returned and lived out his life in a zoo. The dog died when the cooling system failed. Neither died of radiation poisoning. The VAB are not impenetrable though would require appropriate shielding. The Apollo craft travelled at speed through the weak periphery; radiation dosage for the crew was the equivalent of a few X-rays.
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  3121.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained how the ISS could be a ballon that has been afloat for 20 years, moving at a constant speed and unaffected by weather. When are you going to provide any of your answers than you are bursting to tell us?
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  3122. How?
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  3123. Many vegans use the same approach as FE’ers; they rely on people being unaware of detail to bombard them with “facts” that are quite refutable when you do know the details.
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  3124.  @NoInjusticeLastsForever  Debate is like playing chess; it’s dependent on the ability of the player to move what pieces they have, not an inherent quality of black or white pieces. What experience I have of vegan evangelists is that the health argument (reliant on cherry picking) is actually a cover for a philosophical argument that is far from fact.
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  3125.  @NoInjusticeLastsForever  I didn’t anything about how healthy a vegetarian is; I criticised the evangelical zealotry with which some approach the subject. Research papers are aimed at accuracy, not breadth; the broader picture is built up from the accumulating research. Something that attempts a broad approach brings in too many variables and increases the risk of over-interpretation of weak correlations. Note what I said earlier; you’re advancing an argument that relies on my presumed ignorance of how research is conducted.
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  3126.  @NoInjusticeLastsForever  I pointed out that your argument was rhetorical, not scientific. In science the strength of the data is dependent on the methodology, not the rhetorical finesse of the presenter. See my earlier comment on debate being like chess. When the more accurate methodology is producing markedly different results to the broad, less accurate approach that is indicative of an inherent problem with the broad methodology. When the weak methodology is flowing out of one institute then it speaks volumes about the poor quality of the research being done there. Why do you consider it morally reprehensible for me to give the carrot tops to the rabbits?
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  3127.  @ronin_gthayc3020  The man with the answers doesn't provide any answers, just professes to know them.
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  3128. Several hundred miles given clear weather with the view eventually disappearing into a haze. We’ve known the Earth was a sphere for millennia, the question has been asked of FE’ers repeatedly and we have yet to receive a clear explanation.
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  3129.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles - all clearly observable and unexplained by FE'ers.
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  3130. Just space-time. The means to test it weren’t available when Einstein proposed it; people were sceptical because relativity existed only on paper. Once the means became available (before he died) it was accepted.
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  3131.  @tevinrocks9182  What do you mean by after the fact?
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  3132. The ones who accept telescopes exist acknowledge they are round but consider Earth special. Some refuse to acknowledge telescopes and insist the other planets are just stars.
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  3133.  @KangenAlec  Does your definition vary from science and, if so, why?
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  3134. Paid by whom and why?
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  3135.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence for that or how you reconcile the assertion with the FE impression in the video that you were hailing as accurate.
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  3136. We have abundant evidence; we also know that FE’ers will deny everything. The motion of the sun indicates a globe but FE’ers insists it follows an entirely path across the sky.
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  3137.  @jocec3283  Millenia.
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  3138.  @hmgrraarrpffrzz9763  Yes and he will assure you that the sun is always only 50 miles from you because you can see it.
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  3139. Citizen Insane The Gospels were committed to paper within a century. The oldest surviving copies date from centuries after that.
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  3140.  @noobslayermeister  Lunar eclipses always have spherical shadows.
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  3141.  @noobslayermeister  That the sun rises & sets at all disproves the FE model. That the shadow came from the Earth could be deduced from timing; that the cross-section was always circular indicated Earth was a sphere. It’s one of the phenomena from which the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth is a sphere. I assume you are using proof in the vernacular sense rather than the scientific?
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  3142. What was true two years later?
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  3143. Various reasons put forward by FE’ers 1. To fool you as an end itself. 2. To somehow hide an omnipotent god. 3. So the <insert bogeymen> can take economic advantage of the inaccessible areas beyond the impenetrable dome.
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  3144. Which has nothing to do with the shape of the Earth or indicative of mass conspiracies. You can determine the shape for yourself; do you some mysterious power is moving the sun & stars around in the sky to fool you?
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  3145.  @whanethewhip  You used the word science repeatedly. The difference between fact & theory and the scientific & vernacular meanings of theory are integral parts of science.
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  3146.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to provide any evidence...
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  3147. All the passengers were spirited off beyond the icewall & dome as slave labour 😊
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  3148.  @paschameleon  Joke; the ship & passengers would have to go somewhere and FE'ers sometimes talk about the conspirators wanting to take advantage of the lands beyond the icewall & dome so it seemed a logical destination.
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  3149.  @KangenAlec  You still have no idea of the magnification necessary.
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  3150.  @trailbossdan1  I think the many of the various “bears” that post are the same person.
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  3151.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question: what would they have to gain?
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  3152.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't supplied any evidence to back that claim. What's the hold up?
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  3153.  @KangenAlec  As he said, confirmatory bias in your part.
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  3154. FE’ers don’t stoop to measurements.
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  3155.  @alexinthemiddle4170  The shape if the Earth has been known for 2500 years; that it’s a sphere is a fact, not a belief. You can determine it for yourself with the suns motion, angle to Polaris, celestial poles etc.
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  3156.  @alexinthemiddle4170  You are confusing fact with opinion. Do you consider 2+2=4 to be opinion or fact?
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  3157.  @alexinthemiddle4170  Facts are verifiable; they can be demonstrated to be true and are not dependent on an individual’s point of view.
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  3158.  @alexinthemiddle4170  With any verification you need to have a methodology. If fatal errors& assumption have been in the methodology then the facts have not be verified. What FE’ers believe will nit change that. You seem to be advancing the philosophical concept of everything being subjective and applying it to science.
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  3159. The video has been greatly edited which is why it cuts off so early on not each question. Of what I had the patience to watch, the discussion concerned the philosophy behind reasoning & experiments.
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  3160.  @Globeisahoax  Australia is in the south, not at the bottom.
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  3161.  @Globeisahoax  Motion if the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. That’s the simplest scientific evidence, which everybody but FE’ers can understand.
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  3162.  @augustus6944  You have evidence that we are living in a simulation?
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  3163.  @augustus6944  Why has nobody found these subliminal messages since the invention of VCR & cassette tape? Why would a Mandela effect indicate that we are living in a simulation?
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  3164.  @augustus6944  That doesn’t answer either of my questions.
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  3165.  @augustus6944  If nobody has found the evidence you claim exists then how can you claim to have found out about it?
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  3166.  @augustus6944 So like FE’ers you profess to have oodles of conclusive evidence but can’t produce any of it?
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  3167. Why is that a problem?
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  3168.  @hihiozabimaru9630  What's the relevance here? The topic is the shape of the Earth, a physical property that can be determined through measurement.
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  3169.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Particularly provide some of AR contact lenses.
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  3170.  @KangenAlec  Provide your evidence of the dome.
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  3171. Go to the PopSci website and look up 10 ways you can tell the earth is round; they’re means by which you can do it yourself. Then look up WGS84 and Himawari-8.
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  3172. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3173. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. All indicative of a globe, all disprove a FE, all verifiable by anybody and none are explained by FE’ers. Do you want to have a bash?
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  3174. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a globe from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses have a circular shadow, ie., through observation and reasoning. No maths required. Even that much is too difficult for FE'ers.
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  3175.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles....
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  3176. To make the evidence balanced rather than one way.
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  3177. Yet again doofus, they only look at flights that pass close to the Arctic Circle and not further south.
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  3178.  @aaronkibat  Have you never looked into how Wikipedia works?
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  3179.  @leevy6753  Technology has moved on since the 1970’s; the Apollo/Saturn technology is largely incompatible with today’s in the same way that the Model T materials, operation and assembly are too dated to use. There was no reason to freeze technological development in everything tangential to the Apollo missions on the off-chance people would want to build another Apollo decades down the line. The Model T is not simply obsolete compared to today’s technology; it wouldn’t fulfill the desired role of a modern car.
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  3180.  @leevy6753  You can’t build a Model T; the materials, combustion technology, safety requirements and assembly methods are all obsolete.
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  3181.  @leevy6753  That’s what’s under development. You’re the one wanting to know why don’t wheel out a Saturn V that would be inadequate for the job.
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  3182.  @leevy6753  Rockets have progressed. The Saturn V was designed to launch a manned spacecraft with sufficient fuel to reach the moon, ie, to go further out of the Earth's gravity well and with a heavier payload than before. That required far more lift than any manned or unmanned spacecraft since. It does not mean that rocket design stagnated in any way, just that the sheer lift hasn't been required; progress went in the direction of what was required. Only now, with the planned Artemis programme, is there a need to match and exceed that lift capability. In the meantime all the technology associated with rockets has progressed and could be applied to the development of the SLS or similar. Because the technology has advanced the constituent technologies of the Saturn V technology are long obsolete; building another one would be like trying to recreate a Model T.
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  3183.  @leevy6753  Why do you think anybody would spend time & money on developing a launcher when the Artemis project wasn't yet planned? Why would they divert time & money away from planned & existing projects, e.g., space shuttle?
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  3184.  @KangenAlec  What’s your technique for identifying CGI? Why can’t any of you answer that question?
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  3185.  @KangenAlec  How dizzy do you thing one rotation per day would make you feel? How much curvature do you expect to see per mile given s 25,000 mile circumference?
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  3186.  @KangenAlec  How does the plumbing in your house work if the water can't go around corners?
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  3187. Archaeology.
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  3188.  @andrewreynold1468  There’s a whole branch of science dedicated to looking at civilisation’s origin & growth and you’re claiming that as evidence that we aren’t looking.
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  3189.  @andrewreynold1468  Further back than the appearance of Homo sapiens isn't sufficiently far back to follow Homo sapiens from our beginning? Schools only teach the very basics on any subject; our lifetimes are too short to teach everything known. What can be learned is not limited to schools; it's what public libraries were created for.
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  3190.  @andrewreynold1468  Because there is no evidence of such civilisations. There is a lot of speculation with little or no foundation and assumptions that you need hi tech to create large structures.
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  3191.  @andrewreynold1468  Presumably you think that since nobody has been interested in sinking money into reproducing structures without today’s hi tech it can’t be possible to do it without hi tech? The Egyptians worked with stone for large structures and had an abundance of slave labour.
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  3192.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who refuses to produce any evidence.
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  3193.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on your evidence…. Why’s it taking over a year?
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  3194.  @KangenAlec  “Solar system doesn’t exist” Still denying that telescopes exist.
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  3195.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3196.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who can't answer any questions.
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  3197.  @phildavenport4150  I suspect he’s blocked me from his YT feed since I keep asking questions and pointing out obvious errors.
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  3198. You’re assuming everybody necessary would be a Freemason. Explain how you think the observable motion of the sun is a hoax.
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  3199. The Earth was determined to be a globe about a millenium before the Koran was written.
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  3200.  @darrelleffingeez  To take a RGB photo a digital camera requires multiple photoreceptors per pixel, reducing the overall resolution of the picture. A B&W camera has the maximum resolution and is not limited to just colour shots but can take shots through a wide series of filters well beyond the visible spectrum. You get considerably more bang for the buck.
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  3201.  @darrelleffingeez  They don’t only show composites. I explained why composites are used.
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  3202.  @darrelleffingeez  Blue Marble (the 1972 original) and Earthrise, all taken in a single frame from an analogue camera.
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  3203.  @KangenAlec  Use one that takes into account all the pertinent factors, eg, metabunk curve calculator or Walter Bislin’s calculator.
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  3204. You accept scientific explanations but don’t accept scientific explanations?
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  3205.  @Noname-jn7ly  Explanations are arrived at through the work of multiple competing teams, not the work of one person. Something is only accepted because it is reproducible and can be demonstrated by (usually) by more than one method.
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  3206.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3207.  @jnew6808  You realise I was commenting on GiaH's idiocy?
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  3208.  @KangenAlec  DO you know what scientism is?
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  3209. Science is always ongoing. If you mean sex then there is male, female, hermaphrodite and none.
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  3210.  @eptxjlopez  In which species is sex determined by the wind blowing? If you think there is something incorrect about what I said then be specific.
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  3211.  @KangenAlec  So why doesn’t the sun observably change size & speed through the course of the day?
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  3212.  @KangenAlec  Why isn’t the FE Black sun visible other than during eclipses? How does the FE sun stay up, move in a circle and slyer course? Why atent the Southern Hemisphere summer data shorter than the winter days?
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  3213.  @apodipl4596  NASA was created after the Soviet Union launched Sputnik 1; satellites can pass over other countries and can (potentially) carry spy cams and weapons and the US did not want he Soviet Union to have the monopoly. The Apollo missions had propaganda value; the US was always behind in the space race and a manned mission to the moon was pretty much the only big thing left that was feasible. There was scientific value in doing so; sticking it to the US was not the sole reason for the Apollo missions and certainly not the reason for NASA's formation. "At the same time all our maps are distorted as they present Latin America and Africa smaller than what they actually are" Projecting a globe onto a flat surface inevitably creates distortion; it's unavoidable regardless of who is doing it. Only a 3D globe map is going to accurately represent the globe. The most familiar map is the Mercator projection (and the one you're referring to), which is for sea navigation; a direct route on the globe appears as a straight line. Nothing propagandic about it, just maths & practicality.
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  3214.  @apodipl4596  What exactly don’t you understand? Unlike like most projections, a direct route on a globe appears as a straight line on the map making plotting a nautical course easier. As your quoted test said, once the instruments had caught up it became popular for that purpose. When a Mercator covers a limited area the distortion is less and you have a square grid to work with, which is why they are popular. No plots, no malevolent conspiracies, just practicality.
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  3215.  @apodipl4596  That there is propaganda value in being able to say “We got there first” does not make getting there a lie.
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  3216. ​ @apodipl4596  You do realise that NASA does not have the monopoly on anything? That if they tried faking data it would be rapidly spotted? That you were referring to Washington's motive for funding the Apollo missions, not NASA motive for running them them? You do understand that Mercator projections are not limited to a world map? You do understand that being impractical for nautical use prior to the instruments being developed does not mean they are impractical after the subsequent development? That the existence of the instruments is not required for someone to wonder if such maps are possible? "the map was used for commercial and educational reasons . not for practical reasons" Your quote said "commercial and educational maps". That was due to the practicality I described. "this map was discredited by the cartographers" Your quote said criticised, not discredited; quite different things. As I've said, all projections of the globe onto a 2D surface are going to be distorted; it is unavoidable that a 2D map is not an accurate representation of a 3D surface; it is unavoidable that all projections are criticised for their inherent inaccuracies. "So a not useful map that makes the latin america and africa completely distorted proportionally" And I repeat, for a limited area it can be a far representation of the surface. That is why I ask if you understand that Mercator projections are not limited to the world map. "What you say also does not answer the why we keep having this distorted map" Which projection do you think gives an accurate representation of the 3D surface? You seem to think there is one we should be using and there's conspiracy to cover it up.
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  3217. The measurable and measured shape of something is not an opinion. The Earth is accurately mapped enabling you to get in a plane on one continent and fly direct to an airport on another continent.
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  3218.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Show people this clause in the Treaty.
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  3219.  @Globeishoax  You can see the ISS pass overhead in schedule. Still waiting in your explanation for how the speed, timeliness and longevity can bd explained by balloons. You’ve had a year - why the delay?
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  3220.  @Globeishoaxx  Telescopes demonstrate otherwise, which is why you deny they exist.
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  3221. What good points do you think the FE’ers made?
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  3222.  @aydens_wrld  You think that someone saying “NASA is fraudulent” without actually producing any evidence of fraud is a good point?
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  3223.  @aydens_wrld  Do you have any evidence of that other than "I don't see how..."?
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  3224.  @aydens_wrld  There is a significant difference between belief and knowledge. There are plenty of people claiming NASA is fraudulent and who are very happy to ignore all evidence to the contrary. I have asked repeatedly how there could be traceable signals to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back; in still waiting on the answers. Do you want to try? Preferably something more thought out than “where are the stars?” and “that’s not what I think a spaceship should look like.”.
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  3225.  @messengerofchrist9213  No answer then?
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  3226. Depends on which part of Wikipedia you read; long established pages will have been edited repeatedly by multiple people to increase accuracy rather than reflect the first author’s knowledge. Each page has to include references which is what teachers want you to check.
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  3227.  @TheContentofCory  Only if they deign to provide the evidence to back what they’re saying.
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  3228.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to produce the evidence, map and explanations you claim to possess. Come on, you've had a year - what's taking you so long?
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  3229. They feel that they know more than other people in contrast to their usual position of ignorance.
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  3230.  @KangenAlec  Where in the Antarctica Treaty does it ban people? Which clause?
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  3231. Main reason is that walls, flags and paper are 2D not 3D. The UN logo displays the members countries, not a world map.
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  3232.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on a plausible explanation for why objects fall if not by gravity.
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  3233.  @Globeishoax  Which is s global projection, useless for navigating and unused by navigators. You still haven’t explained why the distances don’t match reality. What’s taking you so long?
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  3234. Look up WGS84. You can measure curvature yourself with sticks & shadows.
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  3235.  @Globeishoaxx  Explain why Australia is long and thin on a Gleason projection.
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  3236.  @KangenAlec  How does a luminary have surface features and shadows?
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  3237.  @DXmYb  You think FE'ers continually screwing up their reasoning & experiments doesn't have any impact on their claim to be scientists?
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  3238. Yes. They wouldn’t come with 10-15 degrees of the horizon and would have varying size & speed through the course of the day.
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  3239.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees. How difficult is it for you to grasp numbers?
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  3240.  @KangenAlec  Even a FE’er should be able to grasp that 23.4 =/= 66.6.
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  3241. It’s a philosophical argument about how you could distinguish reality from simulation and the probability of either when there is only on reality. It is not a declaration that this is a simulation.
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  3242. Cherry picking and selective interpretation.
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  3243.  @chrishook1942  Some will tell you that there is an insurmountable ice wall in the way that nobody has seen or photographed either. No answer as to why planes can’t fly over it.
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  3244.  @j-dizzle2946  I understand the emperor penguins are equipped with SAMs 😊
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  3245.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles...
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  3246. Nobody is claiming that the Big Bang occurred from nothing.
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  3247.  @marcelkmet2000  There’s about 9 billion years separating the events so no the Earth did not pop into existence at the Big Bang.
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  3248.  @KangenAlec  I take it that it hasn’t called to you yet.
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  3249.  @neine999  None that he has been able to provide...
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  3250. It is but Jubilee wanted a video with a balanced discussion.
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  3251. None.
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  3252.  @KangenAlec  Beyond the icewall & dome you decline to provide any evidence for.
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  3253.  @Globeishoaxx  You need telling yet again? You have a memory like a sieve.
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  3254. "Take ALL the facts into consideration." What facts do you think we are omitting? "adhomonym attack" An ad hominem is criticising someone's character; rather than address their argument. Pointing out that their methodology and reasoning are faulty is not an ad hominem.
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  3255.  @KangenAlec  You try explaining.
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  3256.  @KangenAlec  Your imagination.
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  3257. How many picture do there need to be for the pictures to exist? Earthrise (1966) & Blue Marble (1973) were single frame shots captured on film. Currently Himawari-8, EPIC and Elektro-L are collectively several full hemisphere shots per hour, all immediately viewable & downloadable. How many shots are needed?
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  3258.  @bradbrad3937  We can't paste in weblinks on this channel so I'll have to verbally guide you to the article. Look up the website for the magazine Popular Science (popsi .com) and the article "10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round". The shape of the Earth has been measured every which way and we have accurate maps enabling you to get on a plane on one continent and get off at the desired airport on another. There is no factual doubt about the shape of the Earth. There are con artists that make their living sweet-talking the gullible with ignorance and incredulity; Kangen here can't answer any questions or explain anything but he's quite sure he's in the know because one of the con artists told him so.
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  3259.  @bradbrad3937  The place is inhospitable, there is a booming tourist trade, you can visit the science stations and people trek across the continent. What's cloak & dagger about it?
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  3260.  @KangenAlec  You’re an excellent example of the “knowledgeable” ignorami that he’s referring to.
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  3261.  @KangenAlec  Thirty years before Photoshop?
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  3262.  @LudvigIndestrucable  I assure you that you don’t have to explain it to me.
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  3263.  @KangenAlec  If you're planning travel with a FE map then you need a FE map that actually works. Still waiting on you lot to produce one.
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  3264.  @Globeisahoax  And you still haven’t said how you determined that. What’s the holdup?
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  3265.  @KangenAlec  Pathways over the insurmountable ice-wall and through the impenetrable dome? How would that work exactly? How many people are on this Antarctic Force?
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  3266.  @KangenAlec  Are comments allowed?
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  3267.  @Globeisahoax  It was not in to begin with.
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  3268. Do you think the Book of Enoch is the last word on astronomy and, if so, then why?
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  3269. Yet again, sun, moon & stars demonstrate that the Earth is a globe.
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  3270.  @KangenAlec  Which still doesn't answer the question...
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  3271.  @KangenAlec  How many people need to die of Covid-19 to satisfy you that people are dying?
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  3272.  @KangenAlec  “Removed and replaced” by whom?
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  3273.  @Globeisahoax  Then why not share information by answering questions?
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  3274.  @KangenAlec  Shows FE’ers incapability of understanding what they read.
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  3275. The problem is religious people claiming the Bible trumps science, not vice versa. The bulk of FE’ers come into the discussion waving a Bible and claiming ambiguous verses are more definitive than actual measurements.
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  3276.  @KangenAlec  Note if the camera goes high enough. Explain how dropout functions? Is it Law of Just Does?
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  3277. Airplane is American English for aeroplane.
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  3278.  @KangenAlec  Who’s seen it and what evidence did they provide?
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  3279. FE’ers test it by shining a light on a ball in a dark room with no thought given to light being reflected off the walls.
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  3280.  @Iggiana1  He's sad.
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  3281.  @KangenAlec  How dopes the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day when your claim has both markedly varying throug hteh day? How does the FE sun rise & set without approaching the horizon? What stops is illuminating anything other than limited misshapen area? I've been asking you this for months; don't you know the answer?
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  3282.  @KangenAlec  You evidently miss the point of what he said.
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  3283.  @Globeishoaxx  Put a pole in the ground and monitor the direction of the shadow; do you think somebody would send you a cheque?
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  3284. Facts are the building blocks while theories determine how they have put together to make the whole structure.
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  3285.  @Lendario1x  A scientific law is a description of a phenomenon while a theory is the explanation of a phenomenon. They are two separate things, both derived from facts. You are confusing theory & hypothesis with law & theory.
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  3286.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees and 66000mph.
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  3287.  @KangenAlec  What is it sitting on?
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  3288. That we don’t know how the Egyptians did it exactly does not mean they had technology to speak of; they had maths, cheap labour and time. Making reasonable star charts does not take technology. Making high accuracy charts does.
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  3289. Only the nay-sayers claim it came from nothing. Not knowing the evidence or simply ignoring it does not make it vanish.
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  3290. They would differ markedly and we're still waiting on a working FE map.
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  3291. Good Fella On 2D projections of the 3D globe. Projecting a curved surface into a flat surface causes distortion in the 2D end-product. It does not mean there is distortion in the original 3D. FE’ers have it easy; projecting a 2D surface into a 2D surface doesn’t produce such distortion. Still waiting on a working FE map.
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  3292.  @mohdadeeb1829  In the plane’s cockpit (wide angle view) it would discernible on 30-60k ft flights. For the angle in a camera shot then it needs to be up above 100k ft. The passenger windows in an airliner are slightly curved to equalise the pressure difference over their surface; that slight curvature is what causes the horizon to curve. They visualise a much smaller sphere and expect to see the curvature associated with that. Essentially they can’t think far beyond a ball in their hand; they see curvature on that and expect something of similar extent regardless of actual size.
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  3293.  @johansteyn3756  They can arrive at different conclusions because of how the evidence can be put together; either way the opinion needs to backed by reasoning. So far nobody has come up with a viable alternative. If you think you have a valid argument then you need to present it, not accuse other people of ignoring what you want to believe is true. The application of Occam's Razor means starting with the fewest variables. If you want to include a deity in the model then the onus is on you to demonstrate the existence of said deity and that they were actively involved in the process.
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  3294.  @KangenAlec  Evidence of any of that?
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  3295. Big Bang Theory stretches back to a fraction of a second after the universe came into existence; nobody claims to know what happened at zero time.
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  3296.  @Globeisahoax  What's your explanation and evidence for how eclipses occur?
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  3297.  @KangenAlec  So? Apart from the fact none of you can come up with evidence of it being local, just keep repeating "I can see it" as if that means something, there's nothing stopping light travelling indefinitely; the FE sun would illuminate the whole FE.
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  3298.  @KangenAlec  How many people need to die in how many places to satisfy you that a pandemic is occurring?
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  3299.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3300.  @worldwideentertainmentcrib7266  Explain how the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles are consistent with FE.
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  3301.  @worldwideentertainmentcrib7266  All are clearly observable, not hypothetical. When FE predicts variable motion and no rising & setting, being able to see several hundred miles, that Polaris would always be visible and only one celestial pole then you need to reconcile the FE "model" with observable reality.
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  3302.  @worldwideentertainmentcrib7266  On other words you can;t answer my questions. None of you ever can. A frame of reference does not have to be stationary, merely provide a means to determine the relative position of places. The Mediterranean Ocean was the original reference point.
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  3303.  @worldwideentertainmentcrib7266  Earth and everything on Earth is rotating eastwards at one revolution per day. Using the surface of Earth as a frame of reference measures the differences in velocity between objects as everything rotates.
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  3304. NASA is the National Air & Space Administration; as the name suggests they work on more than space. The claim refers to documents for experimental aircraft design where to concentrate on airflow around a possible shape they simplify the maths by ignoring complicating factors like flexibility in the airframe, fuel tanks losing weight as the fuel is consumed and variations in the atmosphere caused by curvature & topology. The last is simply described as assuming the plane is flying over a flat surface; some people hook onto the word flat, ignore the rest of the sentence and the general context and adulate their perceptiveness.
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  3305. @zev bronshteyn Why do I get it wrong just as I need it? 😩
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  3306. To make is look as if the shape of the Earth is a matter of opinion rather than established fact.
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  3307. You mean you have no grasp of scale.
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  3308. You all claim you can but none of you ever do.
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  3309.  @Globeishoax  And the globe is demonstrable while FE is not.
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  3310.  @KangenAlec  That would be the icewall that is 200 miles inland?
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  3311.  @KangenAlec Because bullets rotate on their axis (they spin) not take rotational trajectory.
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  3312.  @KangenAlec  SpaceX is shooting for 2024. Do you have any problems with that and, if so, what exactly?
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  3313.  @KangenAlec  You advocate ignoring observable reality in favour of some hotch-potch explanation you can't present ot explain; you're dragging society down.
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  3314. The location of the horizon is dependent on curvature, observer elevation and atmospheric refraction; there is no set distance. An object passing reach of your visual acuity before that distance is not evidence there is no horizon. Taking a photograph of an object that has yet to reach the horizon does not prove the horizon doesn’t exist. Yes, a laser will bend over that distance in the same way any light does; it will add a few more miles difference between geometric (maths) and apparent horizon. There are abundant photos of the horizon including satellite photos that clearly show only a proportion of the Earth.
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  3315. It’s a scientific theory whether you like it not. The evidence is not determined by your religious beliefs.
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  3316.  @Globeisahoax  The world was deduced to be a globe over a millenium before the Vatican came into existence.
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  3317. Usual answers: 1. They’re fooling you to fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. Believing the Earth to be a globe gives the <insert bogeymen> complete mind control over you. 4. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice wall and impenetrable dome.
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  3318. Becussr there is s one way flow of evidence, something that is at odds with the notion of “middle ground”.
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  3319.  @Globeisahoax  Yes, the fE’er is indeed rambling…
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  3320.  @mattdavis5112  Because the editors went snip snip and trimmed 3.5 hrs of a one way flow of evidence to 35min of a “balanced” discussion.
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  3321. Several moons, including our own, are bigger than Pluto. Somewhere a distinction has to be in defining a planet.
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  3322.  @Globeisahoax  Why can’t we see several hundred miles as FE’ers claim? Why don’t any of you explain?
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  3323.  @Globeisahoax  Motion of the sun, horizons , angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude - still waiting in the FE’er explanations. You’ve had over a century; why cant any of you reveal your answers?
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  3324. No, the then US Ambassador to the Netherlands gave a personal gift the the former Dutch Prime Minister. The Good Will moon rocks are confirmed to be moon rocks.
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  3325.  @davedefrost2174  "they used a boat and kept the laser on target" Which wouldn't address any of them. Lakes are popular for these experiments because the increased refraction above the water's surface produces a significant factor that they subsequently ignore in their calculations so they can claim the disparity is due to a flat earth. The glass ceiling refers to people being unable to getting promotions beyond a certain point; the view upwards seems clear but they encounter an invisible barrier. The expression is not a secret message that the dome exists.
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  3326.  @davedefrost2174  A laser is a light beam and refraction bends light; being a laser does not make it immune to refraction. The beam diverges with distance, something that you can check for yourself with a laser pointer, getting wider with increasing distance. Any error (inevitable) in leveling the beam means the distance away from the horizontal increases with distance. You seem happy to believe conspiracies but don;t consider some folks on YT could be deceiving you? Gene therapy means altering your DNA; there s no mechanism by which RNA can have that effect. There are people who have died from anaphylactic shock; that is not toxicity of the vaccine but the body's immune response. Testing on animals would require animals who were susceptible to SARS-CoV2 infection; if you mean the basic formulation of the vaccine then that has been repeatedly tested on humans & animals and found safe. The evidence for the efficacy of ivermectin-based treatment was not obtained from quality clinical trials; one person's testimony is not such evidence. Do you want medicines tested or not?
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  3327.  @KangenAlec  How does it revolve in two different directions simultaneously?
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  3328. Given a 25,000 circumference sphere how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find?
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  3329.  @cobra-ej1vt  You don’t need to be a scientist to do arithmetic.
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  3330.  @abriesteyn6055  It changes because we spend our time increasing human knowledge. Does your lifestyle match those of the folks in the Bible or do you use the mod cons you’re railing against?
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  3331.  @abriesteyn6055  And yet you are communicating online. How do you think that works? "and by the way, that blood draining is Thanks to science" It's folk medicine, the type you are all in favour of.
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  3332. Slippy. I would be reluctant to take a close look at how clean the floor is :-)
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  3333. You need to think that through. For each generation pass on their work to the next generation then they have to have done it. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3334.  @KangenAlec  You still need to explain how it could work. “It just does” is not a valid explanation.
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  3335. The Ptolemaic system was the accepted model and that was based on a spherical Earth. You’re thinking of the shift from geocentric to heliocentric model.
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  3336.  @Globeisahoax  Educated people can see the book is crap.
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  3337.  @crossroads3  He’s not good at answering questions.
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  3338. We’re still waiting on FE’ers to say what these flaws are. All you come out with is incomprehension of how to measure distances and a total inability to understand the simplest of diagrams describing the direction of gravity.
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  3339.  @KangenAlec  To stop governments printing money as a solution to economic problems.
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  3340.  @KangenAlec  2500 years. What’s so difficult to understand about dates?
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  3341.  @Globeisahoax  Why would you need a rocket & camera to track a shadow moving in front of you?
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  3342. They have difficulty believing there are other space agencies and assume nobody is verifying the data.
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  3343.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3344. They don’t provide working answers for those questions. The sun supposedly shrinks away without actually shrinking, changes in angular velocity while remaining fixed at 15 deg/hr, sets while remaining at least 10 degrees above the horizon and only shines on certain parts of the Earth while emitting light in all directions.
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  3345.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that requires?
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  3346. Nobody has proved it yet and that that Earth isn’t flat is demonstrated by the sun & stars. You can disprove FE claims by putting a stick in the ground and noting how the direction of the shadow changes; as simple as that. What would you expect to get out of such a conversation?
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  3347.  @KangenAlec  2024.
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  3348.  @hareecionelson5875  Some will draw it with the directions all pointing south in the belief that there is a universal down.
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  3349.  @hareecionelson5875  I wound hope so but have you tried it?
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  3350.  @KangenAlec  How does it disappear with no change in angular diameter? Why can’t you zoom it back into view? Why can’t you provide any of your “fun facts” and evidence when asked?
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  3351.  @KangenAlec  Try explaining it here.
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  3352. It’s more a matter of double standards when it comes to what qualifies as evidence. They will unquestionably accept something as true simply because it is written in the Bible but set the bar impossibly high for science.
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  3353.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence or an explanation for what NASA has to do with the ancient Greeks....
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  3354. Given that Aristotle was born after the last of the last If the OT was written, this seems unlikely.
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  3355.  @PERRYOL  As I recall there's a gap of several hundred years between the last of the OT and events in the NT; the OT predates the ancient Greek philosophers who are regarded as the fathers of science.
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  3356.  @PERRYOL  That would mean the OT completely post-dated the NT. Since the NT makes frequent reference to the OT but not vice versa, this seems unlikely.
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  3357. Not if you refuse to look. 😊
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  3358.  @KangenAlec  Exolain What has powered it continuously for 20 years and why it is totally unaffected by the weather.
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  3359. Jubilee has heavily edited the video to make it appear a balanced discussion, which would be the point of finding “middle ground”.
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  3360. You’re in favour of off-licencing prescribing? The guy who was moaning about vaccines being “experimental”?
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  3361.  @KangenAlec  It’s called a rhetorical question.
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  3362.  @yankeedoodle3355  Scientific theories are built on fact and reproducible observation & experimentation while FE ideas are based on wishful thinking and wilful ignorance.
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  3363.  @yankeedoodle3355  Every research paper has to produce something new; that you can’t recognise that is due to your ignorance on the subjects, not some fabulous insight. PubMed covers everything relevant to medicine including lab research on how all biological systems work. Gravity is a property of mass; the two are not separable. All forces are caused by something; you can’t separate the force from the cause. 8”/mile squared is not the correct equation for the Earth’s curvature much less an equation for calculating how far you can see which is why FE’ers can’t get it to work. Pictures of the globe do show moving cloud formations. You’re confused over scale and demanding to see 1000mph movement because you’re used to seeing clouds moving over your head. You not understanding something is not a hole. You understand far less than you like to think you do.
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  3364. ​ @yankeedoodle3355  Questions for a critical thinker: 1. When a 60,000 mile journey begins in Britain, the Captain is killed in Hawaii and the Antarctic coast is never sighted, how much of the journey is spent around Antarctica? 2. When there are multiple research sites, a booming tourist trade and people trekking across Antarctic, are there people going to Antarctica? 3. When nobody can produce a document, national or international law, that bans travel to Antarctica what document would be referred to in court? 4. When there are no quotes in a magazine article that is written by a reporter, does anybody but the reporter make statements in the article? 5. When somebody gives you a quote, how do you know that it accurate? 6. When a document concerning aircraft design makes a series of assumptions for the specific purpose of minimising the maths to airflow over the wings, what is the stated purpose of the simplifications? 7. If a series of nuclear explosions are executed at a series of altitudes ranging from 20 miles to 200 miles above the same location, are they exploding at the same altitude? 8. When static discharges are readily observable and producible, is there any evidence that they exist?
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  3365. ​ @yankeedoodle3355  Try answering the questions I just asked. You're hailing yourself to be the critical thinker so try doing it.
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  3366.  @yankeedoodle3355  I looked up the information on Captain Cook and his voyagers; nobody disputes that the 3rd voyage started in Britain and that he died in Hawaii. You're claiming otherwise so you need to provide the evidence to back that. Piccard - I tracked down and read the article you referred to. The Antarctic Treaty is downloadable and readable; no bans on travelling below the 60th parallel. You still aren't answering my questions despite claiming to be a critical thinker. Try doing it. A fundamental requirement of critical thinking is the willingness to engage in thinking.
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  3367.  @yankeedoodle3355  To quote you from earlier: "you choose to believe whatever nonsense you want because your entire life is mired in it and you choose or just can not critically think outside of the box." You regard yourself as a critical thinker; try actually thinking. "like what I found to be true didn't exist " No, I read the article you referred to: no quotes, no interview. I don't have to refute what doesn't exist. You can't legitimately claim what doesn't exist. You still haven't tried answering my questions.
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  3368.  @yankeedoodle3355  "later in an interview given to Popular Science" followed by "I did not refer you to articles" Think about that. Found it years ago, read it years ago: no interview, no quotes. Read the text carefully and think before you answer. Try answering my questions.
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  3369. ​ @yankeedoodle3355  FE'ers repeatedly refer to the specific PopSci article because it contains the word "flat"; deliberately or not, you referred me to a specific article. Does it not occur to you to check before repeating something?
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  3370.  @KangenAlec  Where are the ground towers in the oceans? How do your satelloons stay aloft and immune to weather? How high are they? How are they invisible? What does NASA have to do with the shape of the Earth? What do you find wrong with NASA's pictures & videos exactly?
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  3371.  @Globeisahoax  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - why can’t any if you explain how these are supposed to work on a FE?
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  3372.  @Globeishoaxx  Are you saying that you have been to look?
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  3373. If you stand on a basketball then the basketball is standing on Earth, which has about a billion times the gravitational pull of the basketball; if you slip you head to Earth. Gravitational attraction on the Earth is always towards the centre of the Earth, not a plane "below" Earth. There is nothing to pull you off Earth.
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  3374. Accuracy.
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  3375.  @johnpaulpaquibotsportsandc7903  Dismissing reality in favour of readily disproven claims is detrimental to society. Curiously, the people advocating such a mentality still want the benefits arising from science.
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  3376.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your explanation for how you think intercontinental flights are possible if the globe map isn't accurate.
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  3377. Direct or indirect flight?
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  3378.  @Globeishoax  Which is a global projection and, if used as a FE map, indicates Pearl Harbor couldn’t have occurred.
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  3379. It can be done with today’s technology but nobody is willing to pour billions into a structure with no use. Provide an example of a dinosaur fossil containing soft tissue. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  3380. It took science to design and build. The theory of combustion would be an important aspect.
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  3381.  @KangenAlec  Where’s the clause in the Treaty that forbids travel?
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  3382. There was a period when we didn’t haven’t cameras above low orbit. Prior to that Apollo crew brought back single frame shots and we currently have multiple satellites collectively turning in several such shots hourly, all available online. How many photos do you need?
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  3383.  @Globeisahoax  Why don’t I observe it behaving as if it were small and local? Why can you never answer how you determined it to be small & local?
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  3384.  @Globeisahoax  Who's they? What's their basis for arguing space isn't real? Are we just talking about you inability to grasp 3D?
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  3385.  @P3ndejosG4ng  A slight deviation from a perfect sphere. Some people assume any deviation just gotta be huge.
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  3386.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3387. You live off weeds & pests?
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  3388.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…. What’s taking you so long?
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  3389. Yes, no, just lights - they don’t agree.
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  3390. Two legged or four legged? 😊
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  3391.  @Globeisahoax  t time - the Gleason map us a globe map. It actually says so on it.
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  3392. He didn’t. He thought the globe was much smaller than measured and thus it was practical to sail westwards to Asia. He was wrong.
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  3393. Possibly you’re thinking of Cook.
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  3394.  @Globeisahoax  Published trials say otherwise.
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  3395. Look up “one more orbit”, the latest in a series of circumpolar flights.
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  3396. You're referring to the limits of visual acuity and, no, that does not explain the horizon. An object can pass beyond your acuity well before it reaches the horizon; a telescope will bring it back in to view. Once it goes over the horizon no amount of magnification will bring it back.
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  3397.  @zachariah1990  "it clearly says independent tourism is forbidden" Be novel and specify which clause says that. "NASA has no clue what’s in deep space yet " As I pointed out earlier, you not knowing how something has been deduced means precisely that; it is your ignorance. It is not mind-blowing insight that nobody knows, just your ignorance. Jupiter is a gas giant; the storm is on the surface. Possibly you're confusing it with Venus where clouds do indeed block a direct view of the ground; it's why probes are sent.
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  3398.  @JR-is7dg  Nobody knows; there are some hypotheses.
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  3399. ​ @allenpomme8881  The BB is the expansion of the universe from a single point; something preceded it and something prompted it. It doesn't require a Creator but it was created from something by some event.
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  3400.  @allenpomme8881  They're far more likely than a great deal of energy popping out of nowhere.
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  3401.  @allenpomme8881  In this universe. That would still leave the source of huge energy unexplained.
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  3402.  @allenpomme8881  It’s a known unknown.
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  3403.  @allenpomme8881  You can know with some certainty that an explanation exists without knowing what that explanation is. Something being unexplained means that you don't know the explanation, not that you know there is no explanation.
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  3404.  @allenpomme8881  No, but that unknown is known to exist, hence "known unknown". If someone knocks at the door then you know there is someone outside even if you do not know who; that is a known unknown. If there is somebody merely standing outside (no knocking) then both their existence & identity are unknown; that would be an unknown unknown, i.e., you don't even know they exist to even contemplate whether their identity is known or not. A known unknown is simply a way of saying you are aware of something's existence even though you do not yet know the identity.
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  3405.  @KangenAlec  It would require for the ship to travel faster than its maximum speed. Do you want to explain how that is done?
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  3406.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: the Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  3407.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who can’t answer questions or produce any evidence.
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  3408. In an otherwise faultless engine (and fuel in the tank) there is no reason to believe it wouldn’t start. That would scientific theory.
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  3409.  @Globeisahoax  You don’t understand the difference between on the ground and in space?
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  3410. He claims that accepting the world is a globe gives the government total mind control over you by…. means….
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  3411.  @kormai1501  FE’ers are renowned for not thinking things through. He makes repeated claims but is incapable of explaining anything.
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  3412.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map.
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  3413.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on you to produce your evidence that it is small and local. Still trying to figure out what triangulation is?
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  3414. That the sun rises & sets contradicts what FE’ers say but it doesn’t put them off.
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  3415. As Kangen nicely demonstrates in his reply, that is their approach to the subject.
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  3416.  @KangenAlec  FE’ers insist there is an edge, ice wall and dome but none of you ever provide evidence any of that. Try doing it.
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  3417.  @KangenAlec  once again, blockhead; Gleason projection is s globe map, yiu can never give the relevant clause in the Antarctic Treaty and (COVID aside) there is plenty of independent travel.
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  3418. In science there is always more evidence to be found; you can’t arrive at an absolute answer until you have all possible evidence. It has nothing to do with the veracity of the evidence.
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  3419. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a sphere from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows - all verifiable by anybody and all uncontrollable by any government.
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  3420.  @KangenAlec  You have yet to present any evidence of fakery.
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  3421.  @phildavenport4150  He’s popped up in a few other videos, got roasted and disappeared just as fast. I assume he’s a real person.
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  3422. “The universe is...aaaah...hot, hot, hot...”?
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  3423. Deduced 2500 years ago and a spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic geocentric system. 400 years ago was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system.
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  3424.  @KangenAlec  For the umpteenth time, you don't need rockets. Would you like me through the reasons yet again?
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  3425.  @KangenAlec  No evidence of people falling off an edge or encountering a wall or barrier.
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  3426.  @KangenAlec  That you can’t understand his answer pretty much confirms it.
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  3427. More than one factor can act simultaneously; other factors will not magically cease to have effect simply because you wish to consider only one. Pressure tries to equalise and is countered by the Earth's gravity, the result being an atmospheric pressure that declines with increasing altitude until it falls low enough to qualify as a vacuum.
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  3428. Yep.
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  3429.  @Globeishoaxx  And we are still waiting for you to provide any evidence…. Do you think it logical to draw conclusions without evidence?
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  3430.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting in your evidence. What’s the hold up?
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  3431.  @KangenAlec  "Governments and churches lie about it because that’s how they stay in business" What difference would the shape of the Earth make to either?
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  3432.  @lt3633  The reasons given boil down to: 1. To fool you as end in itself. 2. To hide an omnipresent, omnipotent god by means unstated. 3. Believing the Earth is round gives <insert bogeymen> total mind control over you by means unstated.
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  3433.  @sirdrop  Except nobody has seen such a plane; they just keep reappearing on the "opposite side" of your FE. Do you want to advocate the Pacman effect? You realise that maps made using a globe would be horribly inaccurate for a FE? Do you want to explain how those maps enable international travel & trade with planes & ships flying & sailing directly between two remote points?
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  3434.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  3435.  @bgilchrist228  Geodesic measurements are that of a spherical Earth (look up WGS84). How do you think measuring rotation would simultaneously measure curvature?
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  3436.  @bgilchrist228  You have to take into account observer & object elevation as well as the atmospheric refraction when calculating how far you can see. Difficult as it is for you to comprehend, using the wrong maths will give you the wrong answers.
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  3437.  @KangenAlec  And yet demonstrable.
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  3438. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3439.  @Globeisahoax  Once again, thats a global projection; it even says so on it.
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  3440.  @KangenAlec  FE’ers think their lack of comprehension is actually unsung genius.
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  3441. People don’t see Christians as FE’ers; they are aware that the bulk of FE’ers are fervent fundamentalist Christians.
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  3442. The readings are not just taught. We spend a career taking readings first hand.
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  3443. The stars rotate once every 24 hours as you would expect from the Earth rotating once every 24 hours. The stars being extremely distant and moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy rotates; it would take 1000's of years for any changes to be large enough to be apparent to the eye, ie., a perceptible change in shape of a constellation. Polaris lies on the rotational axis and has been the pole star for about 1000 years, replacing Thuban as the Earth's axis gradually shifted. At speed with suitable shielding; they are not impenetrable and NASA never said they were.
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  3444.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  3445.  @deniszen5089  He asks the same questions, I give him the answers and he complains that nobody answers him; his head is blocked. I am rarely derisory but in this case it is justified.
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  3446. ​ @deniszen5089  Polaris is a star and 450 light years distant, not orbiting the Earth. It is moving through space as all the stars orbit the centre of the galaxy, sun included. Earth's orbit is about 17 light minutes across; a star 450 light years distant is not going to visibly change through stellar parallax so there is no requirement for it to change its motion. "eventually hit something" Space is very big and consist mostly of emptiness. Collisions are inevitable (meteors all the time) but large collisions (bye bye dinosaurs) are very rare. "does not explain why Polaris stays in one spot" Because it lies on the axis and, as I pointed out, it's only been the pole star for the last millenium or so. "NASA admits they cannot get past the Van Allen belt" There are abundant unmanned probes travel beyond the VAB. They've just landed a fourth rover on Mars, we had a fly-by of Pluto and Voyagers 1 & 2 are on the edge of the solar system; the VAB are passable. The problem is getting manned missions through since the electronics can't be temporarily shut down (as with unmanned probes) since they are running life support. The Apollo craft managed it because they were largely mechanical and what electronics were present used very coarse chips; the circuitry on today's chips is a few atoms wide and far more sensitive to radiation. To get a manned craft through with today's electronics takes more effective shielding; that is in development.
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  3447.  @deniszen5089  The VAB consist of particle radiation, mostly high energy electrons & protons. The best shielding is low atomic mass elements & compounds since they have the highest proportion of electrons to protons & neutrons. Essentially the incoming particles ping-pong around the electron shells losing energy to electrons and being redirected; few particles make it through such shielding. Occasionally one will collide with a nucleus releasing Brehmsstrahlung radiation instead; small nuclei minimise the amount released. If you use a high atomic mass elements, eg lead, then the chances of a nuclear collision increase and the amount of Brehmsstrahlung radiation is higher, essentially dosing the astronauts with gamma radiation. The use of sufficient shielding, e.g., aluminium hull, carbon fibre insulation and water tanks (all made of low atomic mass elements) reduced the amount of radiation exposure from the VAB to the equivalent of a few X-rays. "The only way to escape the 100's of thousands of different radiants" etc Only if you want to reduce exposure to zero; all that is actually required is to reduce exposure to safe levels. That was what was done on the Apollo craft. Somebody seems to have supplied you with a number of misleading arguments.
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  3448.  @deniszen5089  No, the Earth did not just shift 23 degrees; it’s been at that angle since it first formed.
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  3449.  @deniszen5089  Polaris is visible only from the Northern Hemisphere. Nobody says the stars don’t revolve in day time.
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  3450.  @KangenAlec  You read a book, didn’t question the content, can’t answer questions and can’t explain anything but still think you have profound insight and knowledge; that’s indoctrination.
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  3451. "While there are so many scientists out there as flat-earthers" Such as whom? Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, eclipses - that's how the ancient Greeks deduced the shape of the Earth. Still waiting on the FE explanations for the same phenomena.
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  3452.  @KangenAlec  How can the stars be seen if they are too far away to be seen?
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  3453.  @KangenAlec  That the straight framework appeared curved should be an obvious clue that the film had been manipulated.
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  3454.  @LudvigIndestrucable  I’m afraid I don’t recall which bit somebody took the original video, “straightened” the horizon and claimed it as the original. That the visible straight arm turned curved wasn’t a clue to some people.
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  3455.  @KangenAlec  Produce the evidence of extra lands.
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  3456. It isn't.
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  3457.  @KangenAlec  A good proportion of FE’ers.
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  3458.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how a globe would give them power control a FE wouldn’t.
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  3459. Do you know the words “experiment” and “lab”?
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  3460. Science is evidence based. The Big Bang started from a single point, not from nothing.
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  3461.  @powerofthought2294  Most probably either a previous universe that collapsed in on itself or a from a hyper-universe. The notion that it came out of nowhere is a strawman argument. "That's exactly how we all learn." Initially. Some of us make a career from science which does involve extensive experimentation and continually rechecking; we don;t spend out lives sitting in classrooms listening to the same people for decades on end. That we don't know what initiated the Big Bang does not disprove the BB occurring. Quantum physics is not magical. The mutual annihilation of two particles or virtual particles is not going to generate universe-sized energy. The concept was time slowly towards the black hole's event horizon meaning that ordered information could be frozen relative to someone further way. If enough stuff comes out the far end then you have a new universe.
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  3462.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  3463. They have difficulty thinking beyond one factor; that seems to limit them to one space agency too.
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  3464.  @KangenAlec  23.4. Numbers really aren’t your thing, are they?
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  3465.  @KangenAlec  You need it explained to you yet again? Still waiting for your explanation how fewer hours of sunshine would produce the Southern Hemisphere summer. What’s the delay?
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  3466. Foucalt pendulum and gyroscopes (laser or high quality ones) demonstrate we are rotating at 15 degrees/hr. Stellar parallax over the course of the year indicate we are moving through space at one orbit per year.
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  3467.  @BrotherBryan7  Get a good quality telescope that is capable of determining the relative position of stars and track how the closest change through the course of the year. I do have to ask: why do you ask for proof if you are not going to accept from anybody other than yourself?
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  3468.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  3469.  @KangenAlec  The season’s work fine in a globe; do I need to run through it again? You still haven’t explained how a FE can have summer in the Southern Hemisphere when it supposedly has increased darkness.
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  3470.  @Globeisahoax  I keep asking you for this evidence and I'm still waiting...
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  3471.  @swaggykevin1522  I've done it. The gullibility & willful stupidity of FE'ers never ceases to amaze me. Tell me your Great Guru Dubay's explanation for how density (a ratio) can act as a force.
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  3472.  @thethinkingman-  Where does the air go and why doesn’t the pressure drop?
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  3473.  @KangenAlec  What freedoms and how exactly?
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  3474.  @KangenAlec  Why not try producing some of your FE evidence? You saying you’re conveying facts so why not actually come up with some?
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  3475. The ancient Greeks deduced it around 500BC; a spherical Earth was the the centrepoint of the geocentric Ptolemaic model until Copernicus and his successors demonstrated it was a heliocentric system.
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  3476.  @alamores4774  Cook’s voyages and other explorers of the time mapping the world.
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  3477.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on your explanation in how it rises & sets and maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity. I’ve been asking you for months; you profess to be the man with the answers so what’s the holdup?
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  3478.  @jeraynoholder6497  Nothing in science can be proven absolutely, only disproven; something is accepted as a scientific theory when the evidence is extensive and in favour of the theory and all possible alternatives have been disproven but the possibility remains of an untested set of circumstances that provide evidence to the contrary. Folks like Atef have little if any grasp of what is required for something to be accepted as a scientific theory.
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  3479.  @Globeishoax  Why do FE'ers have such difficulty understanding that you can divide 360 degrees by 25000 miles?
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  3480. They have no explanation for why the sun would only light a limited misshapen area of FE other than the Law of Just Does.
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  3481. It doesn’t work. They can never explain how the FE sun’s predicted behaviour would produce observable reality.
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  3482.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  3483. Why does a spaceflight pioneer have a quote about the stars in his tombstone? What could the association be? Why us perspective your eyes lying?
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  3484.  @robbySUEDE1  There is no law of perspective; it’s an artistic concept. Explain hoe you think water observes its environment, makes decisions and moves itself. Level has multiple meanings; you need to read beyond the first definition in the dictionary. In this case it refers to forces acting upon water; it levels at gravitational equipotential. What do you think would pull water off a globe Earth?
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  3485.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence of insurmountable ice walk, impenetrable dome and infinite waters; you just prattling about how none of you can go to see what is there.
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  3486.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map. Get your finger out and produce the Real Map you all keeping claiming to possess. How difficult is it to produce something if you have copy of it?
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  3487. Where in the Bible does it describe the water cycle?
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  3488. What do you mean by saying we can’t think beyond the present?
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  3489.  @KangenAlec  It’s the wrong shape one FE map. How do you account for people not noticing?
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  3490.  @KangenAlec  Then why won't they acknowledge observable reality?
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  3491. There’s no air resistance in space to hamper high velocities. When stars are distant and moving in the same general direction as the sun then you don’t get a huge rate of change. Stars do change position (star charts are continually updated) but the rate of change is low. Polaris has been the Pole Star for about a 1000 years (preceded by Thuban) and is drifting off-centre. The Founded Earth Brothers rely on your ignorance & incredulity.
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  3492.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  3493.  @KangenAlec  They’re approved by the FDA and the manufacturers foot the bill for the Vaccine Compensation Board.
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  3494.  @KangenAlec  How are you saying they escape through your impenetrable dome?
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  3495. What makes you say they are lying?
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  3496. They think higher degrees are bought rather than worked for.
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  3497.  @KangenAlec  Triangulation.
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  3498.  @noodlyboi101  I’m saying that many FE’ers are clueless how science is pursued even to the point of failing to associate us with labs.
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  3499. Facts are not a matter of belief.
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  3500. Take your pick: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent god. 3. Take economic advantage of lands outside an impenetrable dome.
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  3501. And...?
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  3502. The nearest they ever get is claiming it’s an illusion but no explanations are ever forthcoming.
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  3503.  @KangenAlec  "the vastness of earth" You use that description while wanting to know why you don't see the curvature associated with a 25 mile circumference?
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  3504.  @KangenAlec  That you can’t understand basic science does not make it pseudoscience.
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  3505.  @KangenAlec  Why bother hiding them if there is an impenetrable dome stopping you reaching them and and an ice wall that prevents you seeing them?
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  3506. They have no sense of scale; because they see clouds passing overhead they exact to see the same rapid change in position on the globe with no realization that it would require the clouds to be moving at 1000’s mph.
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  3507. They can’t understand any evidence other than direct personal observation. They assume the idea of the Earth being a globe was just conjecture until NASA launched satellites.
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  3508.  @KangenAlec  They made us of their brains.
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  3509.  @KangenAlec  Triangulation.
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  3510.  @ilovemarvel1761  If you mean evidence for a FE then they are presenting pseudoscience, ie, crap dressed up to sound scientific. They simply don’t mention the variables they are ignoring and you’re left with the impression their experiment is flawless.
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  3511.  @Globeisahoax  An assertion that might carry some weight if any of you could provide the evidence. Where's the working FE map you call claim to possess? You just keep referring to the Gleason azimuthal projection that categorically states that it is a projection of the globe. Where's the real one?
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  3512.  @Globeisahoax  Senses tell me the sun rises & sets; FE says it doesn’t. How do you reconcile the two?
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  3513.  @KangenAlec  How does the sun only light up a small misshapen area at a time? How dies it retain the same angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day?
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  3514. To some they are just lights and either deny telescopes or refuse to focus them. Some acknowledge other planets are spheres but refuse to acknowledge that Earth is just another planet.
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  3515. Bump into a dome, fall off and continue walking across an infinite plane apparently.
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  3516.  @KangenAlec  Why does the observable motion of the sun contradict FE?
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  3517.  @KangenAlec  what’s your evidence that fluoride turns people into zombies?
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  3518. Ironically the people who do think critically don’t describe themselves as critical thinkers.
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  3519.  @Globeisahoax  Explain how your vision would change with altitude.
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  3520.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on you to explain how the sun behaves as it does. Come on, it's a simple question for the man who professes insight on how it all really works. What's the problem?
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  3521.  @KangenAlec  So?
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  3522. ​ @KangenAlec  The entertainment of you trying to find the invisible wires....
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  3523. You’re referring to the King James Version; the Bible was compiled about 1000 years earlier.
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  3524. 2500 years; 500 years ago was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric. FE’ers ignore all facts that contradict them.
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  3525.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles horizon.
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  3526.  @KangenAlec  How does density acts as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  3527.  @KangenAlec  There's no laser used in the aiming of the rail gun.
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  3528.  @Globeisahoax  Why do the longitudinal lines converge southwards in reality but not in your explanations?
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  3529. We could abbreviate that and call them berks?
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  3530.  @KangenAlec  Who doesn’t explain it.
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  3531. How are your brain cells now?
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  3532.  @KangenAlec  Because we've had telescopes for 400 years.
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  3533.  @Globeisahoax  He thinks they're discs because it hasn't occurred to him that planets rotate.
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  3534.  @highflux5402  You can't get any details and explanations out of him, just the same statements over and over.
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  3535.  @KangenAlec  Then produce some facts rather than an endless series of claims that you can’t explain and don’t hold water.
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  3536.  @KangenAlec  Geometry.
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  3537.  @KangenAlec  Only when people use the wrong calculator. Why has your enquiring mind never thought to check the calculations even though this has been pointed out to you multiple times?
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  3538.  @KangenAlec  One of you actually needs to come up with a working model first.
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  3539. There are cameras on every SpaceX launch, external cameras on the ISS and several satellites continuously taking Hemisphere shots.
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  3540.  @KangenAlec  A claim that would be more believable if any of you could produce the evidence to support it.
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  3541.  @KangenAlec  The Earth was demonstrated to be a sphere 2500 years before NASA came into existence. Still waiting on evidence of NASA fakery as opposed to ignorance and incredulity, and explanation as to how that would change what we’ve known for millennia.
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  3542. You can’t see a horizon?
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  3543. @Luke Skyballer They believe we spend our careers in an endless high school lesson, repeatedly rereading the same few textbooks while they are the Real Scientists asking questions & conducting experiments with no clue how shallow their thinking is.
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  3544.  @Globeishoaxx  Without gravity there is no up or down.
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  3545. They don’t.
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  3546.  @Globeisahoax  How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter? How could the FE sun “shrink away to nothing” when it wouldn’t have the distance to do so?
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  3547.  @Globeishoax  No explanation for why you think that time zones & eclipses prove a FE? What happened to your enthusiasm to educate people?
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  3548.  @KangenAlec  The Earth is 1000x larger than you are envisaging.
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  3549. They’re ignorant and gullible and wish to be “in the know” about something. They remain convinced they know the answers even though they can’t provide them.
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  3550. Evidence?
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  3551.  @KangenAlec  Another non-answer from Kangen.
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  3552.  @Globeisahoax  It doesn’t cover landings elsewhere in the world and us written by a cretin who can’t understand 3D to 2D creates distortion.
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  3553.  @KangenAlec  Which none of you can produce.
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  3554. The ancient Greeks deduced it from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and the shadow from lunar eclipses.
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  3555.  @Globeisahoaxx  Obviously what he said passed you by.
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  3556.  @Globeishoax  We want to know what your evidence is but you aren't forthcoming. What rights do you have to make demands you ignore yourself?
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  3557. @Luke Skyballer Maybe you can't see Globe is a Hoax's comment but as a FE'er he made a supportive comment.
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  3558. They come & go.
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  3559.  @KangenAlec  Arc.
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  3560. FE'ers think the distance to the horizon is calculable solely from curvature; they don't take into account elevation & refraction that can greatly increase the distance and think they're onto something reality matches the correct calculations rather than theirs.
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  3561.  @Ichifate  I was reading on my phone and I don't have the visual acuity I used to.
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  3562.  @marycauffield2508  If someone has proven the existence of god or gods then they've been keeping every quiet about it. I would not that religious reasoning relies on ignoring all evidence to the contrary and rigorously applying selective interpretation to evidence to support the desired conclusion. Outside maths nothing can be proven absolutely, which is why science concentrates on disproving hypotheses and building on what remains standing. For all the religious handwaving nobody has disproven evolution and it has become a scientific theory since the evidence supports it. No amount of denial and ignorance, no matter how deep the religious fervour, alters that. Do note that you are claiming is disproved but haven't put forwards any of the evidence you think disproves it.
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  3563.  @KangenAlec  Explain how density acts as a force nad why objects move in a consistent direction. Nobody has produced a working FE map much less done the exploration to say that there are ice barriers. If there is a map on Instagram then produce it. Andhoy's support ship sank in a storm and he & his friend drove to one of the research bases.
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  3564. The video has been edited to cut out such discussion rather than the moderator stopping such discussion from occurring.
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  3565.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have yet to produce any evidence.
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  3566.  @KangenAlec  One of you needs to provide this FE map first....
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  3567.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  3568.  @KangenAlec  Firmament refers to sky not a dome and, yet again, the tilt is 23.4 degrees.
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  3569. Evidence and rational conclusions are not a matter of belief.
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  3570.  @madeleinejackson9218  A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning. If you think there is a different, better explanation then you need to provide evidence to back the claim. Waving the Bible is not such evidence.
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  3571.  @madeleinejackson9218  You’re still confusing the scientific meaning with the vernacular; we have the bad habit of using the vernacular meaning too since we are aware of which is which and you need to bear that in mind before concluding a scientific is wrong or incomplete.
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  3572.  @madeleinejackson9218  “We” are scientists. If something isn’t testable then it is isn’t science.
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  3573.  @madeleinejackson9218  Dubay & ODD have been debunked countless times. See Greater Sapiens channel; he’s running through Dubay currently. Being different does not make someone’s argument valid.
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  3574.  @madeleinejackson9218  They may not say it outright but that is the basis of many of their assertions; they assume all official knowledge just gotta be wrong and therefore anything that differs from it just gotta be right. Kangen is such a proponent; he can’t come up with anything to back his claims.
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  3575.  @madeleinejackson9218  You’re using two different criteria when discussing the accuracy of science & religion. You’re requiring the BB & evolution be proven before you accept them (regardless if the amount of evidence supporting their existence) but are happy to accept God (a specific deity, not even a general deity) simply on the grounds that his existence hasn’t been disproven (regardless of the lack of supporting evidence for existence). Nothing in science can be proven absolutely so you’re setting an impossibly high bar for science while setting the bar on the ground for religion. You can reach the point where the evidence is extensive enough that something’s existence can be accepted; when there is no evidence to the contrary there is reason to doubt its existence. The BB and evolution fall into that category. I’ve been interested in science since I was little. I’m recognised as a scientist because I have a PhD and have made a career in a particular field. General knowledge of another branch does not make me qualified in that branch.
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  3576.  @madeleinejackson9218  Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation of natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation.
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  3577.  @Globeisahoax  FE’ers keep saying there is so why don’t any of you prove it?
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  3578. What shape an object has is not a matter of opinion. When the Earth is demonstrably a globe and FE’ers offer nothing but ignorance & incredulity to back their claim then they are seen as the epitome of idiocy.
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  3579. Enoch made many inaccurate observations & conclusions.
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  3580. What do you expect the water in the pond to do and why?
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  3581. The Koran was written a millennium after the Sarth was deduced to be a globe.
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  3582.  @KangenAlec  You profess to be educated in FE so why can’t you answer any questions?
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  3583.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t said how you measured the distance to the FE sun. You’ve had over a year to answer; are you having problems remembering?
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  3584. FE’ers either go for don’t look, don’t focus your telescope or claiming Earth is special.
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  3585.  @KangenAlec  Zoom the set sun back into view.
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  3586.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  That would involve maths and numbers....
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  3587.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn't answer his question.
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  3588. He didn’t say a theory is a fact.
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  3589.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence.
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  3590. What exactly is a "Neutral Thinker" in this context? What "jelly-like substance"? "Do the same with clumps of dust or fine powder to see if it collects together to create the following." You're ignoring gravity.
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  3591.  @Globeisahoaxx  The evidence that you have supplied with repeatedly for a few years while refusing to supply any of your own?
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  3592.  @Globeisahoaxx  Zillionth time - motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having a circular shadow. If you can't be arsed to acknowledge evidence then don't demand it.
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  3593.  @KangenAlec  You’re proposing that ignorance is knowledge?
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  3594.  @Matuse  It was determined in the interval between the OT & NT.
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  3595. From a few comments passed it would seem he’d already met & talked with the other two scientists and Ali was a late edition; if so then it’s just the difference in dealing with a stranger rather than an acquaintance.
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  3596.  @Globeisahoax  Which is an azimuthal projection of the globe. Why can’t any of you produce the real FE map you all claim to possess?
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  3597.  @KangenAlec  Why?
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  3598.  @KangenAlec  People such as yourself keep insisting there is.
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  3599.  D Gray  Disproving a theory can mean a Nobel Prize; it does not mean anybody proposing an idea in the face of abundant conflicting evidence is right.
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  3600.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles.
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  3601. A few; others accept they are globes and most seem to insist they are just lights (refusing to acknowledge telescopes).
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  3602.  @Globeishoaxx  The Earth is demonstrably a globe; question answered.
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  3603. “I’m suspended on wires I can’t see or feel but I know they’re there....”
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  3604. No realistic answer is ever given.
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  3605.  @KangenAlec  Where is this clause in the Treaty?
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  3606. The conspiracy would have to include everyone in navigation & cartography and would have to be running faultlessly for millennia.
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  3607. No other agency has a problem putting astronauts & satellites into orbit.
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  3608.  @KangenAlec  Panic & chaos among whom?
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  3609. BLue Marble (1972) and Earthrise were each shot in a single frame with an analogue camera. Explain how you conclude they are composite & CGI.
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  3610. There’s an element of truth in there; dust and water vapor in the atmosphere means you wouldn’t be able to see more than several hundred miles, the view becoming more hazy with distance. You would be able at least 10x further than the horizon on a globe; that you can’t disproves FE.
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  3611.  @nar4man  It would have 10-fold higher and you would require a wide angle view before the horizon curvature was measurable. The high altitude balloons Kangen refers to go up to about 60,000 to 120,000 feet and the very highest still only catch slight curvature in the angle the camera catches. A FE guru tells them the horizon on a globe ought to be seen to be ground level and the "thinkers & questioners" take them at their word.
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  3612.  @Globeishoaxx  You really have such difficulty grasping the simple concept if down being towards the centre of the Earth.
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  3613. Jubilee edited out 3hrs of a one-flow of evidence to keep the discussion balanced.
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  3614. Evidence?
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  3615. There are multiple translations, the majority being done from the original Hebrew & Greek. WIth multiple teams each consisting (usually) of groups of people well-versed in those languages it's not likely that there is a translational error that nobody's noticed. The versions that were translated from the Latin translation were open to a small degree of error since they were a further step away from the original.
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  3616.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3617.  @Globeisahoax  You stamping your foot and wailing is not evidence that space doesn’t exist.
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  3618.  @KangenAlec  How do you conclude that it can only illuminate only one area at a time? What stops the light? You can't even figure out how to measure the distance to the sun with simple triangulation. How do we get lunar eclipses?
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  3619.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, the Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe, not a FE map.
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  3620. The FE'er reasons: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent omnipresent god. 3. To take economic advantage of inaccessible lands beyond the ice-wall & dome that just gotta exist.
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  3621.  @fullchurchahead6849  That insulin controls your blood sugar is agreed upon; it is actively used by diabetics for controlling their blood glucose. The physiological mechanism is known. How that mechanism fits it with the body's physiology is ongoing. That is how science works; working on ever finer details; it doesn't cast doubt on insulin controlling your blood sugar. Some branches of science are reliant on predictive observation rather than direct experimentation; you can't create a star in the lab. It doesn't invalidate those sciences much as some would like to think. Multiple branches of science, experimental & observational, support the existence of evolution. That evolution (development of new species) exists is not in doubt. All birds have four photoreceptors; most animals have only two with the exception of the great apes who have three. Avians are not one species; they can't interbreed with one another any more than we can interbreed with gorillas & chimps. There's far more than natural selection involved. Dogs (Canis canis) originated from the grey wolf species (Canis lupus); that is evolution, not the development of dog breeds.
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  3622.  @KangenAlec  How would hiding such knowledge give them power?
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  3623. Let me guess - the reply I can't see if Globe is a Hoax NOT explaining how the FE sun would light only a limited misshapen area?
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  3624.  @KangenAlec  The name is metaphorical; the scientific theory is literal.
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  3625. It may appear that way if you are not familiar with the knowledge & methods but, no, it does not.
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  3626.  @KangenAlec  Provide evidence of an edge, ice wall, glass wall or impassable mountains. Explain how you “know” there is an infinite plane.
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  3627.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3628. With FE’ers they don’t factor in observer & object elevation or atmospheric refraction. They’re only interested in curvature so they take only that into account.
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  3629.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: Enoch was not included when the Bible was first compiled, centuries before the Vatican existed.
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  3630.  @Globeishoaxx  Off the edge…
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  3631. May be just ignorance. There are degree mills where degrees are bought; the places cant get accreditation as universities and the degree is worth the paper its printed on. The US only accredits US universities; other countries accredit their own and there is (generally) reciprocal recognitionnof the accreditation. Wendell may think that only US accreditation is valid (US & abroad) and all other universities are paper mills.
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  3632. It was determined to be a globe c. 500 BC and a spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic model, the accepted model until the shift to heliocentric system in the 16-17th century. A chap called Samuel Rowbotham in 19th century England went of on a religious anti-scientific bender that relied on ignorance & incredulity in the people being preached to. From that sprang the modern FE movement with no map, no model, no explanations, no nothing in 150 years but quote convinced they possess the answers they can't provide.
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  3633.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when towards the centre if the globe then there is no top or bottom. Why is it such a difficult concept for your self-professed insight?
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  3634. What difference would it have made?
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  3635.  @kitcanyon658  It’s an important job! No holes, no key rings. We’d all be rifling our pockets like Columbo every time we wanted to unlock something. 😊
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  3636. It's a selective process; you want the most capable people doing the job, not denialists.
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  3637.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map. Don’t be lazy yourself - come up with a working FE map.
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  3638.  @TheRealSpencerMarks  I suspect he has me blocked so he doesn’t have to read them.
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  3639.  @KangenAlec  You totally miss his point. Still waiting on you to provide the explanations you claim to possess.
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  3640.  @KangenAlec  Still denying telescopes exist...
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  3641.  @KangenAlec  Any evidence of a “steal”?
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  3642. 60 miles would give you approximately 1 degree of curvature. What do you expect to see?
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  3643.  @KangenAlec  Answer the question.
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  3644.  @KangenAlec  That makes a change from Black Mercury but you haven't provided evidence for either or an explanation how they only become detectable so briefly.
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  3645. They use the incorrect maths to calculate the distance to the horizon, place it much nearer than in actuality and think they're on to something when they can zoom something back in to view. They can supposedly zoom a "half-sunk" ship back into view or even the set sun but we are still waiting on their evidence. Globe is a Hoax will be eager to not supply you with the evidence he claims to possess.
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  3646.  @KangenAlec  Nicely indicative that FE’ers are incapable of understanding a diagram that consists only of a circle and several radial arrows.
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  3647. Some do, others insist the other planets don’t exist.
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  3648.  @rihamhinai4833  Kangen doesn't acknowledge that telescopes exist. He insist the planets are just twinkly lights.
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  3649. Accurate maps enabling long distance travel & trade. Satellites for GPS & TV. It may not impact on you directly but your lifestyle depends to some degree on them.
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  3650.  @KangenAlec  FE has no explanation for the observed motion of the sun, triangulation of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, changing constellations with latitude, no map....
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  3651.  @KangenAlec  The rail gun fires missiles in an arc; what's so difficult to understand?
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  3652.  @KangenAlec  You have a hard time understanding a diagram consisting of a circle and several arrows.
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  3653.  @Globeisahoaxx  Zillionth time doofus: motion the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses.
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  3654.  @KangenAlec  Horizon being the key word.
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  3655.  @KangenAlec  But none of them can produce their evidence.
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  3656.  @KangenAlec  FE’ers keep claiming they have proof so why can none of you provide it?
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  3657. It took some thinking about the sun rising & setting and eclipses but the Greeks managed it around 500BC. That’s how far behind FE’ers are.
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  3658.  @KangenAlec  You realise that people can travel between two locations? Viewing angle is clearly not the reason we see different constellations.
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  3659.  @KangenAlec  Observable like the sun rising & setting while maintaining a constant angular diameter & velocity in direct contradiction of the FE sun?
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  3660.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles..., You have a mind like a sieve.
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  3661.  @KangenAlec  What's your evidence for a dome?
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  3662.  @KangenAlec  It was assumed there was land under the ice; with greater exploration that proved to be wrong.
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  3663. You realise that pharmaceutical companies manufacture more than one drug?
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  3664.  @KangenAlec  Who licenses churches? Who stops unlicensed churches?
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  3665.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't said what magnification you think that would require.
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  3666.  @Globeisahoax  The sun rising & setting is religious doctrine?
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  3667.  @TannerMcCoyOfficial  Common wisdom can be inaccurate, hence the insistence on evidence in science, but FE denies observable reality rather than reinterprets it.
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  3668. Cavendish & Scheihallion experiments.
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  3669. The video has been heavily edited to remove such evidence to maintain the illusion that there are two equal sides.
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  3670. If you think it is neither then come up with evidence to back that claim. Conforming to observable facts is satanic?
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  3671.  @KangenAlec  If you're well-educated in FE then why can't you answer any questions?
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  3672.  @KangenAlec  Of Which you have still to provide any evidence.
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  3673.  @innovativeyetaknowledgless9035  It was never included but he’s going to say the Vatican took it out.
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  3674. There were no separate words for circle & sphere; the distinction was in the context.
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  3675. You can see invisible wires?
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  3676.  @chamarel.K  Why a horizon?
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  3677.  @seankim7055  Really? Most eager to demonstrate how little they know.
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  3678. FE'ers are so hooked on direct observation being the only valid evidence that they can't grasp that there can be more than one observer.
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  3679. 1. You can can see the ISS passing overhead. 2. Where is the internet link coming from when you’re in the middle of nowhere?
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  3680.  @nestorsantos1281  When down is towards the centre of the Earth why would be the folks at the South Pole be standing upside down or equatorial aircraft be flying sideways?
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  3681.  @KangenAlec  Does it look 3D to you?
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  3682. Putting them into orbit wouldn’t satisfy them, they would insist they were drugged or on a holodeck.
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  3683. Predictions need to be specific and exact not inferred retrospectively.
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  3684. Meteorites get baked on the way down; the effect is as distinctive as raw and grilled steaks. You are going to get raw rocks except by fetching them from the moon.
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  3685. For seasons in the northern hemisphere, the FE sun (as well as magically staging in the air and magically circling while magically lit) magically changes course to circle inwards for summer and outwards for winter. They don’t answer about the southern hemisphere. Constellations? They don’t. GPS just gotta be radio towers regardless of whether radio towers are present or not. Google maps just gotta be a FE map because your computer screen is flat.
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  3686.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  3687.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t said how you determined the sun to be small and close. Have you actually tried or are you just stamping your foot and whining ?
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  3688.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to provide the evidence of the FE. You’ve been posting since the video and you haven’t produced anything. What’s taking you so long?
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  3689.  @KangenAlec  Why don’t FE’ers have any pictures at all? If you quote the Treaty then give the specific clause.
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  3690. 500BC. You’re referring to the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system; both were based on a spherical Earth.
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  3691.  @KangenAlec  Says the guy who posts the same comments over and over...
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  3692. They also become semi-transparent - why aren’t planets?
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  3693. What do you think we have labs for?
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  3694.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again, doofus: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses.
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  3695. Sure - snashed against the impenetrable dome at a few hundred miles an hour without even jiggling the camera. Nothing to do with the propulsion turning off.
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  3696. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3697.  @Globeishoaxx  Stars & a clock.
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  3698.  @KangenAlec  What generates the power and how does it reach objects in the sky?
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  3699.  @KangenAlec  Since they had no knowledge of electromagnetism it is unlikely they depicted them as anything. You need to explain what you think creates the fields and how they generate power. You also need to explain how they are undetectable yet effective,
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  3700. Some just refuse to acknowledge the existence of telescopes (Morton’s demon) while others insist the shadowy omnipotent They are manipulating what you see.
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  3701.  @KangenAlec  Evidence and explain how you think NASA has been influencing people for millennia.
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  3702.  @Andrew-xe7st  Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles; all observable first hand. Where do you think the people who write the textbooks get the information from?
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  3703.  @Andrew-xe7st  Each generation of textbooks has increased information that hasn't come from previous textbooks so I;m asking you where you think that information comes from? Are you seriously suggesting divine inspiration?
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  3704.  @Andrew-xe7st  Evidence?
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  3705. "If it is round then the blue marble photo could be taken from any angle and look the same" Which landmasses are visible would change. Blue Marble was shot on film in 1972 as Apollo 17 returned to Earth. Most of the land mass is out of sight, a substantial clue that the Earth isn't a disc.
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  3706. The Apollo craft & Saturn V launchers were all single use and used. The technology is 50 years out of date and incompatible with today's. The companies who manufactured many of the components moved on to different projects and kept up with developing technology, materials and manufacturing techniques, not remained stuck at 1970.
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  3707. You believe it to be a path to eternal life; a belief does not make it a fact.
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  3708. We knew the Earth was a sphere around 500BC.
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  3709.  @KangenAlec  You previously said that what we see is not reflective is reality; which is it?
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  3710.  @Globeisahoax  23.4 degrees and the evidence is the declination of the constellations changing with season.
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  3711.  @Globeisahoax  Why does your book only look at emergency landings use the wrong flight paths? When are you going to release your explanation fir direct flights between souther continents? You reckon it’s simple and you have the answers so demonstrate it!
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  3712.  @Globeisahoax  Zillionth time, the Gleason us a globe projection. It specifically says so.
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  3713. The motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestials poles - you don't have to go to space to determine that Earth is a sphere, just willing to travel, look and think.
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  3714. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3715. Hard facts such as what exactly? Quoting verses in the Bible? Not understanding scale or what you would see looking across Earth's curvature? Confusing the Blue Marble film photo with the Blue Marble 2021 composite?
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  3716.  @lukeharvey8816  Sorry; there are people saying similar apparently in all seriousness.
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  3717. The force is equivalent in strength to so many g, thus increasing the pilot’s weight (pressure on the seat) as if he was subject to so many g.
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  3718.  @KangenAlec  Australia is on every shot of the Himawari-8 satellite photos.
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  3719.  @k.4625  They all seemed agreed that there is an agreed upon model but they don't seem to agree on what it is they have agreed upon.
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  3720.  @KangenAlec  You’re mind’s blurred out on telescopes again....
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  3721. You need to chuck in a few emoticons and lose the first full stop.
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  3722. They believe the research has been done with umpteen claims of “I can see too far” but don’t realise the incompetence or deceit in those demonstrations.
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  3723.  @KangenAlec  You mean you can’t see an obvious curve or feel like you’re turning but your brain can’t get as far as considering what you would see & feel before you open your mouth?
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  3724.  @KangenAlec  An object can pass out of range of your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; as with every other FE’er you didn’t measure the distance, just assumed acuity & horizon were one and the same. Try zooming the set sun back not view.
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  3725.  @KangenAlec  It isn’t any laser guided and, as with every unpowered missile, the missile travels in an arc.
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  3726.  @KangenAlec  It’s way over your head.
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  3727.  @Globeisahoax  Still no explanation from you how your magic water passes through the pH2 stomach and pH8 intestine without any change in pH. You're flogging the stuff; why can't you say how it works?
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  3728. Look up WGS84. Also try “10 ways you can prove the Earth is round” on the PopSci website. That it’s a globe was determined c. 500 BC and is disputed by conmen and those who think ignorance is knowledge.
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  3729.  @KangenAlec  You don’t know what spiked means?
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  3730.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t explained how you think NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks.
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  3731. If you think everybody is lying then what do you think is in the cans?
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  3732.  @RotterStudios  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles, lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow - you verify them for yourself. Not knowing how to determine the shape of the Earth for yourself is not wondrous insight.
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  3733. 1000s. Humans weren’t around a million years ago.
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  3734. The inside of the Earth is studied with seismology; you don’t have to be able see something personally to study it.
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  3735. Gravity pulls towards the centre of mass. Assuming you could dig a hole through the Earth you would find the strength of gravity declined as you moved towards the centre since there would be an increasing amount of mass above you. At the centre you would be weightless. As you worked towards the opposite surface gravity would be pulling you back towards the core. By the time you reached the far side you would have the strength gravity you’re used to pulling you towards the ground. You wouldn’t fall anywhere except back down the hole.
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  3736. Sex & gender are not synonymous; the former is biological, the latter sociological. Unfortunately they often get used interchangeably.
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  3737. Any evidence of coercion, censorship, fearmongering, faked, manipulated or cherry -picked data?
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  3738.  @Globeisahoax  How do you educate anybody when you can’t answer any questions?
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  3739.  @KangenAlec  Does the Bible mentions cars?
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  3740.  @Globeishoax  You still havent provided any evidence of a hoax, just endlessly demonstrated your willful stupidity.
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  3741.  @Globeisahoax  Gullibility, ignorance, incredulity…. Why do you keep insisting you’re well informed when you can’t answer any questions?
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  3742.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top or bottom to a sphere nor is there a camera with sufficient magnification.
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  3743.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes; I've told you they exist umpteen times so why do you keep asking?
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  3744.  @KangenAlec  Completely unnoticed to the pilot?
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  3745.  @seankim7055  Evidence?
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  3746. Usually a choice of: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide God by unexplained means. 3. Total mind control. 4. Take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome.
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  3747.  @Globeisahoax  The significance of which totally passes FE’ers by…
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  3748. They were edited out.
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  3749. @supercecilia What current?
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  3750.  @KangenAlec  It’s explained in a simple diagram consisting of a circle and several radial arrows that is apparently beyond the understanding of FE’ers.
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  3751.  @RB-sj6pd  You won't get any reasoned answer out of Kangen.
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  3752. The turtle holds the four elephants who hold the Disc.
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  3753.  @KangenAlec  It's theoretical that sticks have shadows?
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  3754.  @KangenAlec  How did you measure the distance?
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  3755.  @KangenAlec  How did you measure the distance to the sun?
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  3756. You referring to +/- 5 miles difference on a 3900 mile radius; it’s trivial.
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  3757.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the observable motion of the sun contradicts FE.
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  3758.  @Globehoax  There’s this concept called measurement that most people have no problem grasping. Have you never wondered why rulers have markings on them?
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  3759. Some have difficulty thinking beyond one or two variables, others just ignore their existence; the FE gurus just don't mention them.
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  3760. To be fair the crash was due to parachute failure, not his calculations or design; these things happen.
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  3761. To be fair the crash was due to parachute failure, not his calculations or design; these things happen.
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  3762.  @brodmeisterman  Yes; I never said it would work, just that the crash was due to a malfunction rather than design failure. :-)
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  3763.  @Globeisahoax  Being disagreed with and having questions asked of you is not censorship. Wanting everybody you don’t like banned as trolls is censorship. Have you considered actually answering questions?
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  3764. The eye is a passive receptor; it detects the light reaching it regardless of how far it has travelled. The limit of visual acuity does not define where the horizon is; you can see the sun rise & set. Gravity’s existence is long since proven (Cavendish experiment 1798). We are still waiting on FE’ers to come up with a plausible alternative. (And, no, density is not a force.)
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  3765.  @KangenAlec  Then why not actually try proving it? Explain how you measure the distance to the sun. Explain how you measured the angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day. Explain how you calculated the point where light “gets tired”. You claim you have the answers so stop prevaricating and produce them.
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  3766.  @KangenAlec  Everybody else.
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  3767. No explanation ever forthcoming.
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  3768. There was a lot of editing done; we don't what was said in the cut sections.
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  3769.  @themotivator373  If the producers want to present an apparently balanced argument in which all the presented evidence has been on one side then yes.
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  3770.  @themotivator373  You saw the final cut.
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  3771.  @KangenAlec  You still havent explained how it moves, why it is unaffected by weather and how it has remakes aloft fir 20 years. Can’t do it?
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  3772.  @Globeisahoax  And yet you’re the one who can’t produce any evidence or answer any questions…
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  3773. National security (of any country) didn't stop with the end of the cold war.
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  3774.  @KangenAlec  It was never in. Is this another question you’ll need to be told the answer to repeatedly?
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  3775.  @blackheartsmarine0351  Good luck getting explanations out of him.
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  3776.  @KangenAlec  No FE’ers have produced a working map to put on Instagram.
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  3777. He’ll have to get his head around the fact we perform experiments.
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  3778.  @KangenAlec  No answers then?
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  3779.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his question: what would anybody gain from such a scam?
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  3780. Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, horizons and two celestial poles: all observable & measurable first hand.
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  3781. With one revolution per day there isn't a lot to see.
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  3782.  @evanwynn8670  Generally the people who demand that such a channel or video exist expect to see motion they associate with "1000 mph" rather than a mundane one revolution per day.
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  3783. You’re in favour of total ignorance?
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  3784.  @KangenAlec  Then provide your evidence.
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  3785.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3786.  @carpediem6147  The deviation from a perfect sphere is minute.
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  3787.  @KangenAlec  FE'ers have yet to provide any evidence, only ignorance & incredulity.
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  3788. The desire to see themselves as more intelligent & perceptive than they actually are.
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  3789.  @KangenAlec  What Force makes them move and why in a consistent direction?
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  3790.  @KangenAlec  Dubay doesn’t explain it.
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  3791. Unlikely; they can’t figure out how they are supposed to happen.
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  3792.  @Globeisahoax  Evidence?
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  3793.  @Globeisahoax  Only if you cherry pick the emergency landings close to the Arctic Ocean and ignore their actual flight paths.... Why do the Thinkers never think to ask about emergency landings elsewhere?
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  3794. They assumed it.
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  3795. Presuming knowledge to be wrong is not wisdom.
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  3796. ​ @elilundgreen  Being an American group they picked Americans; if you pick a religious person in the US then are most probably they are Christian. An American FE'er is likely to be religious and that religion is most likely to be Christianity. As I noted earlier, this does not imply that Christians are FE'ers. Three is not going to be a representative number either of FE'ers or Christians.
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  3797.  @KangenAlec  ...that you can't provide any evidence of.
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  3798.  @Globeishoaxx  You mean FE’ers say that. That you think 99.99% of the population fits into <10% does strongly support Hannah’s OP.
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  3799. Evidence?
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  3800.  @MrJcan67  Sorry; too long since I watched it.
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  3801.  @Globeisahoax  Which is global azimuthal projection - it says so on it.
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  3802. The deviation away from a perfect sphere is far too small to qualify for the Earth being egg-shaped.
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  3803.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3804. Open a comprehensive dictionary; the word level has multiple meanings. In this case it means gravitational equipotential.
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  3805.  @KangenAlec  Why does it only light up discrete areas and why are those areas so distorted?
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  3806.  @KangenAlec  The clouds are booked specially?
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  3807.  @KangenAlec  Direct flights don’t have fuel stops; travel is directly between two airports, in this case Sydney & Santiago.
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  3808. @Cardinal RG He has said so but he is not consistent with his burblings.
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  3809.  @KangenAlec  A. There isn’t a FE map to look at. B. Continents aren’t blue.
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  3810.  @KangenAlec  Explain how it retains the same angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day.
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  3811. We passed that point 60 years ago.
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  3812.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3813. Produce your evidence that our brains were created, not evolved.
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  3814.  @atifbangash  Priduce your evidence that the first cells were created rather than came from abiogenesis.
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  3815.  @atifbangash  It literally means arising from a non-biological source. You’re claiming the first cells popped out of nowhere at the behest of a creator, not incrementally formed from chemical interactions. I’m asking for your evidence of that.
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  3816. Unfortunately it is quite likely the FE’ers would have denied the existence of other planets.
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  3817.  @KangenAlec  Why can’t signals be transferred both ways? Why do you think cables preclude the existence of satellites?
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  3818. You’re making the statement: the onus is on you to provide evidence backing it, not in others to disprove it.
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  3819.  @mikin.6595  Do you think that the existence of biological reproduction precludes abiogenesis? If so, then how? When abiogenesis required millions of years over the surface of a planet why do you think it would be feasible to replicate it in lab in a few years at most?
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  3820. When something has been confirmed by multiple competing parties and is proven and proving reliable in predictions and usage then it is a waste of my time & effort and your money to start again from scratch. That the FE’er does not understand what scientific theories are or what science is involved in car invention & development is not a rebuttal.
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  3821.  @KangenAlec  There is no model, just unsupported claims Earthis flat and the centre of the universe ‘cos it just gotta be.
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  3822.  @KangenAlec  Then why not produce the evidence you claim to possess instead if limiting yourself to unsupported assertions? Why can’t ANY if you produce this supposedly abundant evidence? Come on man, step up to the plate and be the first FE’er to actually produce “the evidence”.
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  3823. Because the basketball is in close proximity to another ball with a billion times the gravitational pull. The water heads towards the bigger ball.
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  3824.  @Movhicoffvee  The deviation from a perfect sphere is tiny; to most intents & purposes it is a spherical.
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  3825.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence from you to back that assertion.
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  3826.  @KangenAlec  Of which you have still to provide any evidence......
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  3827.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't produced any evidence to back that. Get your finger out.
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  3828.  @fromagepane1199  You’re out of date.
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  3829.  @KangenAlec  Why doesn’t it move at the speed and angle that you say it is does?
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  3830.  @KangenAlec  And yet the sun observably rises & sets in direct contradiction of FE....
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  3831. The video has been heavily edited, hence the sharp cutoffs in many places.
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  3832. Answers provided: 1. They're fooling you to fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent God by ...means... 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome that FE'ers can't produce any evidence of. 4. They gain total mind control over you by....means... Most common answer: 5. <silence>
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  3833. So you all keep saying; we’re still waiting.
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  3834. The deviation away from a perfect sphere is tiny; unless you wish to be very specific about shape then for most intents & purposes it is a perfect sphere. Flat areas refers to regions where there is little variation in elevation (no hills & valleys) rather than lack of curvature. Geodesics is the branch of science that works on measuring the Earth's shape exactly and if you look up WGS84 you can see the result. The ancient Greeks first deduced it was a sphere based on the horizon and lunar eclipses. If you are prepared to travel or know people distant to you then you can measure the curvature yourself with sticks and the length & angle of their shadows.
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  3835.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe.
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  3836.  @KangenAlec  We can prove it and you’re unable to explain anything.
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  3837.  @Globeisahoax  And yet so demonstrably true…
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  3838. The only science some people have been taught is when they were in school; they seem to think that all science is taught in classrooms and that we are simply believing what a teacher has told us.
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  3839.  @drac4597  You asked a question so I answered it. FE’ers can’t think beyond their own experiences.
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  3840.  @KangenAlec  What makes them drop and why downwards rather than any other direction?
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  3841. Yes, but they are too dim to realise they are doing it.
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  3842. The Earth was long accepted to be a sphere before the Church formed; the Ptolemaic system was based on a central spherical Earth. Galileo produced evidence that backed Copernicus’s idea of the sun being central, ie, he observed moons orbiting other planets rather than Earth. A shift from geocentric to heliocentric was seen as undermining the Church’s authority hence the accusations of heresy. He was placed under indefinite house arrest which meant he continued using his telescopes.
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  3843.  @goatunherd2357  Eratosthenes deduced a means to measure the Earth; that is was sphere had been deduced 300 years earlier. Aside from a few religious denialists it was accepted to be a sphere by all educated people before then. Because it is a metaphor.
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  3844.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the sun’s motion contradicts your idea of a FE.
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  3845.  @lilspence7943  The changes in DNA are minute and accumulative; most will be fatal, some inconsequential, a few beneficial; the beneficial ones get passed on
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  3846. There are multiple space agencies, not just NASA. The I in ISS is International.
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  3847. That you don’t know or understand something does not means it isn’t known or understood by others. While you’re scratching your head we’re collecting evidence.
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  3848. That you don’t know or understand something does not means it isn’t known or understood by others. While you’re scratching your head we’re collecting evidence.
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  3849.  @Globeisahoax  For the zillionth time, the Gleason projection is an azimuthal projection of the globe, not a FE map.
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  3850. They profess to have the answers and say they are keen to tell you them but in actuality you will need chair, rope & thumbscrews to get them to divulge them.
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  3851.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence from you....
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  3852. How does the FE sun maintain a constant angular velocity and angular diameter through the course of the day and rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  3853.  @ProtocolsMaster  Answer my question.
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  3854. The rocks get barbecued as they come through the atmosphere; the distinction is obvious to a geologist.
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  3855.  @KangenAlec  Any evidence of these military forces guarding Antarctica?
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  3856. People crossing Antarctica haven’t done so. No FE’ers have ever looked to see if it actually exists.
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  3857.  @abvant  His story changes with time.
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  3858.  @KangenAlec  How are proposing that a "movie and cartoon production company" would have total control of all information in the world?
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  3859.  @KangenAlec  You keep quoting FE claims that conflict with observable reality.
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  3860. The sun rises& sets.
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  3861.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained seeing the ISS overhead on schedule.
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  3862.  @KangenAlec  And yet none of you are capable of answering questions.... Doesn’t that concern you or do you think such inability is paramount?
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  3863.  @KangenAlec  Why must it be true exactly?
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  3864.  @KangenAlec  A FE guru tells you the sun changes size & speed through the course of the day and doesn’t rise & set and you believe it even though every day the sun behaves differently.
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  3865.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  Which country ate you from? I don’t recognise the accenting in your name.
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  3866.  @seanomeirs8362  Bring verifiable material back.
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  3867.  @seanomeirs8362  Rocks that haven’t be smoothed by friction and have been bathed in hard UV for billions of years. They’re pretty distinctive.
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  3868.  @hellanddegenerates398  You can’t grasp the concept of measurement?
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  3869.  @KangenAlec  The observable reality is that the sun maintains a constant angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day; FE'ers claim both vary. I have asked you countless times to reconcile the two but, as with every question asked of you, you rely on crickets & non sequiturs.
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  3870.  @KangenAlec  How high is this wall and what evidence do you have that it exists?
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  3871. Globe is a Hoax predictably asserts option A.
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  3872.  @KangenAlec  And yet your claims contradict observable reality and you can't provide any explanation to reconcile the two.
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  3873. Some are trolls, some appear to genuinely believe it and others are just making money out of the second group.
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  3874. The video has been heavily edited, hence the abrupt ending of discussions. The evidence was one-sided and Jubilee wanted a balanced discussion.
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  3875. You can measure the curvature with sticks & shadows and FE “thinking” can’t progress beyond 2 sticks.
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  3876. You do have to apply critical thinking in designing experiments, analysing results and formulating hypotheses. FE’ers assume critical thinking doesn’t involve actually thinking, just saying anything that is “different”
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  3877.  @Globeisahoax  By pseudoscience you mean things like measurement, accounting for all variables, reproducibility, correct calculations etc?
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  3878. He thinks higher degrees are bought rather than worked for.
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  3879.  @KangenAlec  Taken from where if nobody can get outside your dome?
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  3880. The video has been heavily edited, which is why it cuts off early in each questions/discussion; we don't know what evidence the scientists put forward. The FE'er answers to your questions would be that you don't realise you are travelling in a circle rather than a straight line (no explanation how or why you wouldn't notice the extra distance) and that the sunlight "gets tired" and cuts off at set but highly variable distance (no explanation how or why both) that quite coincidentally makes it appear it is illuminating exactly half a sphere.
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  3881. You’re assuming everybody has equal knowledge & understanding of a given subject. Very egalitarian but not realistic.
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  3882.  @KangenAlec  Teslas was trying to send electricity through the air, not collect it.
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  3883. You’re overlooking the variation in elevation across the Earth’s surface and the effect of atmospheric refraction. Do you think the Black Swan rigs move backwards & forwards?
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  3884.  @kc29291  There is the geometric horizon and the refracted horizon. Yes, you can’t refract a location but the light from objects can be refracted and enable them to be seen. The limit of visual acuity does not define a horizon. It us not impossible for there to be more than one reason you can’t see an object. Sea-level is a measure of elevation. See the diagram for the Metabunk Earth Curve Calculator. You can have more than one line in a diagram.
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  3885.  @kc29291  The tangential line is perpendicular to the Earth's radius at the observer's location. It isn't the line of sight to the geometric or refracted horizon. The Earth's radius isn't calculated from the distance to the horizon. The Earth has been deduced to be a sphere 200 years before Eratothenes's experiment. He was not assuming anything about its shape. We are still waiting on the FE'ers explanation for motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching, altitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Do you want to furnish them because FE'er seem very reluctant to do so? Every circle or ellipse has 360 degrees curvature. The sun has an angular diameter of 0.5 degrees; the variation from parallel is minimal and too little to impinge on his method. That the shadows would have had negligible penumbra is indicative of that. Your overall argument is presumably that since you can't see how to calculate the distance to the refracted horizon then the Earth just gotta be flat and screw all evidence to the contrary?
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  3886.  @kc29291  ​ "That is PRECISELY what the tangent line is' No it isn't. You wanting it to be is not going to change the fact it isn't. "That is what you have to use in order to even claim celestial navigation on a sphere using a sextant" Since the Earth is a regular sphere the drop to horizon is compensated for in the design. "What evidence to the contrary?" Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching, altitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. WGS64 is the most up-to-date measurement. "If you can't measure a straight line to a refracted position to give you an exact radius value" Again, the radius value is not calculated from the distance to the horizon. "It's always refracted there is no true location" "bottom-up obstruction can be shown with anything escaping the viewer's angular resolution limit." Except it isn't and one of you can explain why it would be. "But it is claimed to correspond with the geometric limitation of that radius based on a tangent line to a physical horizon." A sphere has a constant radius; it's not going to vary from place to place. "The horizon is over 3 times where it should be placed geometrically on your sphere based on viewer's height" Crap. You are just ignoring the effect of observer elevation and harping about the observer's height. Your eyes will be 5-6 ft off the ground whether you are standing at the seaside or on top of Mt Everest but that doesn't mean Mt Everest has the same elevation as the seaside.
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  3887.  @kc29291  If the tangential line was to the horizon there wouldn’t need to be a dip correction; which way do you want it? You’re insisting that the radius needs be measured at each location; that would only be necessary if the radius varied. Which way do you want it? Nobody is saying the horizon is refracted; I’ve already pointed that out. Again, the light coming over the geometric horizon is refracted. All light is refractable; there’s nothing controversial there. You can watch the sun set everyday. It unfailingly disappears from the bottom up in direct contradiction of your assertion. How obvious a display do you twits need? Still waiting on the FE’er explanation for how an oil rig continually changes location. “For conceptual convenience” are the key words in that sentence. Most people do not need a subsequent disclaimer to understand that they aren’t saying the world is flat & motionless.
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  3888.  @kc29291  Funny things is that only works when the floor is uneven. When there is nothing in the line of sight between camera & book, what exactly do you think blocks the line of sight from camera to book?
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  3889.  @kc29291  "You need 2 straight lines to form a vertex" Only in high school trigonometry which keeps things simple. Any two intersecting lines create vertices; what do you think they are if not vertices? "The entire heliocentric model and it's scaling distances depend on the radius of Earth" No. That the distances were first obtained from trigonometry using Earth's radius does not magically limit other methods of measurement to using Earth's radius. "If the geometric horizon is far beyond where it should be based on it's radius, and changes based on a multitude of factors, then it is no longer geometric" The geometric horizon is defined by elevation & curvature; the refracted horizon arises from light from below the horizon being refracted and enabling you to see a little further.
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  3890. ​ @kc29291  "Can't be done over a curved surface." Why can't you have a straight horizon tangential line and straight line of sight from view to horizon when the Earth's surface is curved? What prevents either and how? "the distance to your geometric horizon based on viewer height" Viewer ELEVATION not height. "you have to claim that geometric location is changing" The boat won't start disappearing until it reaches the refracted horizon. And, no, nobody is saying a physical location is refracted. Atmospheric refraction means the light from immediately beyond the geometric horizon is refracted and enables a viewer to see a little beyond the geometric horizon; the viewer apparent horizon is called the refracted horizon. The distance to the refracted horizons varies with atmospheric conditions; the greater the refractive properties from ambient humidity and air layering then the further way the refracted horizon. That has been explained over and over and over and over. "The horizon is seen beyond platform Habitat which is at 9.7 miles" The refracted horizons, not the geometric horizon. "he max limit of the geometric horizon at the viewer's height is 2.7 miles" Only if the viewer's feet are in the surf. The photo in question was taken from a hill top. They key factor is viewer *ELEVATION*. And, as is being repeatedly pointed out to you, refraction enables you to see a little beyond the geometric horizon. "Again, is your horizon a geometric location as you keep claiming suns and boats go behind it? Or is it a refracted, purely optical position?" The viewer apparent horizon is the refracted horizon, the net result of curvature, elevation AND atmospheric refraction. Only in the absence of an atmosphere and with no variation in elevation across the Earth's surface would the horizon be due solely to curvature & viewer height. "It cannot be subject to refraction or else it is not physical" Nobody is claiming that it is. There are just FE'ers who find multiple factors difficult to grasp. It's not a paradox that we can see beyond the geometric horizon; it's taking into account ALL relevant factors, not just the geometric ones. "If the Earth was spinning and the stars were motionless, why would I assume the opposite when using such phenomena to calculate positioning?" Relative motion. You're interested in the motion of the stars relative to you; it doesn't matter whether it is the Earth, stars or both which are moving, only that there is relative motion between them. It is easier to visualise of you assume you (and thus Earth) are stationary but it is not an absolute statement, just a relative one. "If Earth was rotating, that would necessitate drift with an inertial reference frame" Measurably 15 degrees per hour. Denying it does not make it go away.
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  3891.  @kc29291  "You need it to form a 90" Only in high school.
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  3892.  @kc29291  "its beyond 3 times where it should be placed geometrically" Black Swan was due to a mirage. Still waiting on the FE'er explanation for why the rig isn't usually seen. That's why I asked you how you think oil rigs can move. "visible boundary between the sky and the land" They don't add a qualifier specifying a geocentric horizon, just what is visible to the viewer. You reading in geocentric horizon does not change that. "If you can't draw a tangent line to it to form a right angle" You can draw a tangential line that is perpendicular to the direction of gravity anywhere on the Earth's surface. "as you REQUIRE to achieve an angle elevation profile or zenith angle profile" The tangential line there being at the viewers location, not the horizon. "Flat baseline to the horizon is required" No it isn't, hence correction for dip.
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  3893.  @kc29291  "The floor is obviously even, as the room is used to play table tennis" Which simply requires that the table legs be at equal height; it doesn't guarantee the floor is even. "question code followed by construction workers" Code doesn't require perfection. "This is due to the viewing angle getting smaller. Not hard to understand" And I asked you what is blocking the line of sight when there is nothing in the line of sight. You haven't answered.
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  3894.  @kc29291  "Because you claim to be measuring a straight line to an exact, non-refracted point that represents the visual, geometric horizon" It's a line of sight from viewer to refracted horizon; it's not to the geocentric horizon, it's not a measurement. The distance to the refracted horizon can be calculated from elevation, curvature & refraction; it can be confirmed from observation of what is visible. "The fact that it changes based on angular compression and atmospheric effects proves precisely that it isn't a real location" You mean it isn't a fixed location. When you can see objects on the horizon where do you think they are if it isn't real? "It is called the GEOMETRIC HORIZON - NOT REFRACTED" As you seem unable to grasp, the geometric horizon is calculated purely from curvature & elevation while the refracted (apparent) horizon is calculated from curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction. That you can't understand that refraction can affect how far you can see means nothing. "Too bad we don't observe 15 degrees an hour Earth-based rotation" Relative to what? Are you saying that you would expect to see the Earth rotating while you are standing on it, rotating with it? "When I said height, I was referring to "height" above sea level" And you went on to describe the view of Black Swan from the top of a hill as being 5-6ft elevation. "We only have 1 horizon, and its apparent" Only the refracted horizon is apparent to the eye since the eye detects light. "The photo in the right shows it disappearing bottom up due to simply lowering the camera (30m vs 2m viewing height)" You mean there was a change in elevation and since distance to the horizon is determined in part by the viewer's elevation the distance to the apparent horizon decreased as the elevation decreased. What do you expect to happen? "Yes it is. Again, the geometric horizon is defined as the visual and physical location where the sea meets the sky" No, "horizon" is defined as where sea meets sky; there is no specification that it is the geometric horizon rather than the refracted (apparent) horizon. "You claim to draw a straight line to use to use as your baseline to triangulate, when you ignore the fact that SEA LEVEL IS USED, NOT A TANGENT LINE" Sea-level isn't used in the calculations with a sextant; they sight on the horizon applying a correction to approximate for viewer elevation above sea-level. The drop is below the tangential line at the viewer's location. You seem to have the usual FE'er limitation of being unable to grasp multiple factors simultaneously.
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  3895.  @AnOfficialYouTubeProfile  He does seem to be substantially lacking in comprehension.
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  3896.  @kc29291  I posted the comment about your lack of comprehension immediately after the long rebuttal you claimed I haven’t made.
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  3897.  @kc29291  As I have pointed out to you again and again and again and again, distance to the horizon is not determined by radius alone. Why do you find that so difficult to comprehend?
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  3898.  @kc29291  Another list of your misconceptions that have been repeatedly explained to you. None of it seems to have registered in your brain. I’d be wasting my time telling you it all again. If you want answers then read back on what I’ve written; try actually thinking instead if just regurgitating what your guru told you.
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  3899.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who can never explain his reasoning….
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  3900.  @KangenAlec  That would be the radar that doesn't extend beyond the horizon because of Earth's curvature? You think it proves the Earth to be flat how exactly?
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  3901.  @KangenAlec  You have to watch the camera when it reaches the highest altitude, not shut your eyes half way up.
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  3902. Listen to what is said between those times and beyond; it's explained that in science that the consensus is fact-based.
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  3903.  @Globeishoaxx  And none of you can provide any evidence that the sun & moon are small & local or any indication this mystery object exists.
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  3904.  @danielrickel8807  You still miss the point as to what abiogenesis is.
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  3905.  @KangenAlec  You need me to explain it to you yet again?
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  3906.  @bubblemoons  Unfortunately, yes.
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  3907. It’s isolated, sequenced and multiple vaccines developed.
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  3908.  @KangenAlec  Where do you get those numbers from?
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  3909.  @KangenAlec  Scale is totally beyond FE’ers comprehension isn’t it?
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  3910.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  3911.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3912.  @jimthomas777  Which means the sky, not the dome Kangen et al refer to.
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  3913. That you personally can't make sense of something does not mean it doesn't make sense.
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  3914. Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles - still waiting on FE’er explanations. Do you want to try explaining?
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  3915.  @Globeishoax  Still denying telescopes exist? The Gleason projection is s globe map. When are you going to produce the Real FE Map you all claim to possess?
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  3916.  @Globeisahoax  For the zillionth time north & south are nit synonymous with top & bottom.
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  3917. They’re confusing the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory. Something is accepted as a scientific theory because it has been very well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation and nothing has been found that contradicts it. It’s not s guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning. If you want to argue a theory is wrong then you need to come up with evidence to back the claim. Until such evidence is produced a scientific theory is accepted as true.
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  3918.  @phildavenport4150  In this context it refers to globe & flat earth as simply being alternative ideas with no consideration given to evidence for or against either. The scientists are dismissing FE not because of dogmatism but because it defies observable reality; it is long since disproven and half-baked ideas based on ignorance do not merit serious discussion.
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  3919.  @KangenAlec  Still doesn't answer the question. Doesn't the man with the answers have the answer?
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  3920.  @KangenAlec  popsci com /10-ways-you-can-prove-earth-is-round/ Umpteen ways to demonstrate that the Earth is round. Still waiting on FE’ers to come up with any working model.
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  3921. To maintain the presumption that there is a “middle ground” between two opinions rather than it being factual that the Earth is round.
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  3922.  @Globeisahoax  If you can see it then how come you can never provide an example?
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  3923.  @Globeishoaxx  we collect evidence, not ignorant gossip.
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  3924.  @KangenAlec  How does the suns movement support FE when it differs from what FE predicts? How does that work together? Produce some evidence that you firmament exists. Explain his meteorites pass through it.
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  3925.  @KangenAlec  You never explain how it works. Why not actually try?
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  3926.  @normalperson397  He denies telescopes exist.
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  3927. Don’t see - explain how we know and how they can test it for themselves. Won’t see - ask questions in the hope they will actually think.
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  3928. You can measure the angular velocity of the sun by putting a stick in the ground and tracking the direction if the shadow. Explain how you think brainwashing changes the direction of the shadow.
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  3929. There are lizard people on the sidewalks??!!! 😊
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  3930.  @KangenAlec  The downwards motion of numbers is a decrease in numbers, not an increase. You have real difficulty with numbers, don't you?
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  3931. Put your eyeball on what?
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  3932.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how that is supposed to bypass the stomach & homeostasis. What's the delay?
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  3933. They haven’t been into space and seen that it is flat either; there is a strong measure of double standards in their reasoning.
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  3934. You watched videos made by people who knew what they were talking about, not those who preach ignorance. I doubt you would watch a video that said a stick of dynamite in the paint tin was the only way to paint a room.
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  3935.  @KangenAlec  Which you have still to provide. What’s the hold up?
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  3936.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom and that magnification camera doesn’t exist.
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  3937. The FE model has only one celestial pole. Astronomy covers the layout of the stars relative to the observer who is perpendicular to the Earth’s surface; angles are measured relative to that position.
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  3938. He has a wide collection of smoke and mirrors but nothing concrete.
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  3939.  @KangenAlec  How?
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  3940. "The Bible is true simply because it's God's words" Because it says it is?
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  3941.  @someoldguy5316  Where does god say it is?
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  3942.  @Globeishoaxx  Only the arseholes who cant comprehend maths.
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  3943.  @KangenAlec  Yes.
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  3944.  @KangenAlec  How does any of it prove a FE?
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  3945. Look up what is meant by scientific theory. Einstein was not the only person working in that field; his work drew on research by other people. He was working as a patent office clerk; that was not the limit of his education.
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  3946. What do you think we have labs for?
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  3947.  @nattynewf8841  Dubay is a snake-oil salesman, dependent on the incredulity and unwillingness to think in his acolytes.
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  3948. 1. Been done and you still aren’t happy. 2. The atmosphere moves with the Earth and inertia exists. 3. Gravitational equipotential, not flat.
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  3949. Why the need?
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  3950. It would make a pleasant change of any if you would sat what these inconsistencies are rather than repeatedly debunked canards.
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  3951.  @markshepperson3603  So no inconsistencies, just canards…
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  3952.  @Globeisahoax  Try answering his question: why wouldn’t the sun illuminate all of a FE?
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  3953.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on you to provide any evidence of that or reconcile it with the artist’s impression in the video that you hailed as true.
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  3954. The thicko is advocating ignorance & incredulity rather than put his brain into gear.
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  3955.  @kevrulz06  Nobody is suggesting that life popped out of nowhere fully formed which is the probability being calculated.
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  3956.  @KangenAlec  And it would be easy to triangulate its elevation but measurement isn’t in the FE lexicon.
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  3957. It’s about 0.5% of the federal budget, they aren’t limited to astrophysics (see the NASA current missions webpages) and much of the developed technology is useful elsewhere.
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  3958. It’s government funded; they don’t govern anything.
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  3959. I can’t see the reply but I suspect it can be paraphrased as “do the research”?
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  3960.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  3961.  @spacexsays3227  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles...
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  3962.  @KangenAlec  The ancient Greek were the first people to demonstrate, not the only people.
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  3963.  @KangenAlec  He didn’t go anywhere near high enough.
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  3964.  @KangenAlec  We’ve has vaccination programs for over 60 years; provide evidence of mass deaths associated with vaccines.
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  3965. Pollution and weather aside you would be able to see several hundred miles; the air droplets & dust in the air would create too much of a haze at that distance. Looking at stars requires only looking through a few miles of atmosphere.
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  3966.  @KangenAlec  How can it have a 28 day cycle? On a FE it would be a 25hr cycle? Why does everybody see the same phase at any given time?
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  3967.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  “Just gotta be”
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  3968. That there were no seas on Mars, not there was no water. Earth doesn’t have the mass of a star.
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  3969.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map.
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  3970. What do you think we do in labs?
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  3971.  @eko362  “where scientists believe what is written” It’s a common assumption that nothing gets questioned or tested, hence my question.
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  3972.  @eko362  Scientific theories are accepted because they are well-substantiated by existing evidence and make accurate predictions; they held up to testing every which way and all known alternatives have been eliminated. Research labs are for expanding knowledge, not testing & retesting what has been tested & retested countless times already. However we do rely on the accurate predictions as controls for the work we do; if we find predictions aren't accurate certain circumstances then there is something to pursue. If accumulating knowledge throws up an a new plausible alternative then that too is worth pursuing. What we don't do is just accept something that is written; it has to be backed by evidence. Theory in science does not mean guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning. That would be hypotheses in science which range from the initial idea to be tested through to a reasonably well-substantiated explanation.
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  3973. You mean you think he sounds plausible.
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  3974.  @KangenAlec  "the burden of proof is on yo" Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  3975. It would be about 1g at the rim but the angle of pull would be approaching the horizontal.
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  3976. Explain how the Vatican & Jesuits would be active in 500BC.
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  3977.  @rubensouza4572  The world was deduced to be a globe c. 500BC; a spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic model (100AD) that was the accepted model of the universe until the shift to heliocentric system in the 1500's. The 500BC is very relevant to what you're claiming so explain how you think the Vatican and Jesuits were active in 500BC.
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  3978.  @KangenAlec  150''s was the shift from geocentrism to heliocentrism; the Earth had been determined to be a sphere 2000 years previously.
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  3979.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require? I ask you this every time you ask and you never answer.
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  3980.  @KangenAlec  You don’t find any of those in FE.
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  3981.  @Globeisahoax  Who says? People like you who can’t produce any evidence?
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  3982. You would need to be in the cockpit with a wide angle view. The passengers' windows are curved to distribute the pressure difference and that distorts what you see.
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  3983.  @rudrakshsharma2832  I doubt that was uppermost in their minds :-(
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  3984.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  3985.  @Globeisahoax  The artist’s impression you continually decry? You STILL haven’t explained why such a limited misshapen area. Get your finger out.
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  3986.  @ellaquilates2450  He's not living there and some people have a serious inability to understand that other individuals are observing something differently.
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  3987. Where is the endpoint on a sphere? Why do you consider cartography to be impossible?
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  3988.  @puzzlerabbit9325  Where is the starting point on a sphere? When there is accurate cartography across the surface of an object it is possible to discern the shape, in this case a sphere. If the Earth was shaped differently then there would be pronounced inaccuracies. If you think it is possible for the Earth to be other than a sphere then you need to explain how you can obtain accurate maps from the wrong shape. You're referring to the false dichotomy logical fallacy, the notion that disproving one thing would mean the alternative is correct. However that the Earth is a sphere is deducible from the evidence, not reliant on disproving it to be flat. When the Earth has been thoroughly measured, photographed from every angle and all the indirect evidence can only be explained by the Earth being a sphere it can not be construed as being a belief but a fact. If you wish to espouse a different shape for "unlimited ideas and unlimited exploration" then you need to account for all the evidence, not ignore it as a "limiting idea with limiting beliefs".
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  3989.  @puzzlerabbit9325  Project a curved surface onto a flat surface and you will get distortion. The larger the area of the earth covered by the map, the greater the amount of curvature involved and the greater the distortion when projected onto a flat surface. That is why the maps you are looking at are distorted: they're 2D representations of a 3D shape. "I believe the earth is just earth and it goes on forever" For which you need to provide evidence and an explanation for all the evidence to the contrary. You have the right to espouse any opinion you wish; everybody has the right to tell you when you're being a plonker.
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  3990.  @puzzlerabbit9325  Where is the contradiction in what I said? Facts are not a matter of belief.
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  3991. You’re assuming FE’ers have arguments to complete.
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  3992.  @CSIGrissom  Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back. Nobody is just “taking their word”.
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  3993.  @CSIGrissom  Today’s problem is the effect on the electronics as a spacecraft passes through. Unlike Apollo everything runs in chips with circuitry susceptible to radiation damage. Space is very big. They are unlikely to run into substantial size debris. All three moon rovers are on the moon. Why expend fuel bringing them back? Also, the cargo bays were in the base of the landing modules which are all still sitting on the moon.
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  3994.  @CSIGrissom  One flag was blown over; the remainder were placed further away do they wouldn’t be caught in the launch blast.
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  3995.  @CSIGrissom  Apollo 11 had an external camera that could be activated from inside to catch the moment. Armstrong is filmed from an upwards angle. He then set up a camera on the moon’s surface which was used to film Aldrin climbing down. The latter may be shot/video you’re thinking of. Take off was filmed using the camera on the rovers. Take off was a finely timed sequence so it was possible for a remote operator on Earth to activate the camera and pan upwards at the right moment, the image being transmitted live. Due to the delay in signal to & from the moon panning at exactly the right moment was difficult even with a timed sequence; it worked on the third attempt.
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  3996. Do note that the video was heavily edited, cutting off quite quickly with each question.
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  3997.  @KangenAlec  The ISS observable passes overhead. I realise you can't comprehend telescopes but you still haven't explained how balloons would remain aloft and powered and totally unaffected by the weather for 20 years. Get off your intellectual arse and try doing it.
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  3998. People have come & gone over 50 years, not 100,000 people for 50 years.
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  3999. There is a video of someone resembling Shelley doing her nut about havjng to wear a mask in a supermarket.
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  4000. Roots with the ancient Greeks a millenium before the Koran was written.
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  4001. Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles - all viewable & measurable first hand and indicate that the Earth is a sphere.
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  4002.  @Globeisahoax  Spend 24hrs bobbing around in the water admiring the 24hr sun.
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  4003. How does the sun rise & set and retain a constant angular diameter and angular velocity?
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  4004.  @KangenAlec  You still have explained the total lack of bodies on the vaccination centres.
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  4005. The video has been heavily edited hence sharp cutoffs in the discussion.
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  4006.  @KangenAlec  Explain why objects fall.
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  4007. That’s too much to ask 😊 They insist there is a clause in the Antarctic Treaty forbidding travel though none of them can quote it nor give the clause number and they steadfastly ignite the (pre-Covid) booming tourist industry down there.
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  4008. When the centrifugal force is 0.5% that of gravity, which do you think is the stronger force?
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  4009. It was written about a millennium after we deduced the Earth was a sphere so you would expect it to get it right.
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  4010.  @Trollmeister-nm9es  Eratosthenes found a means to measure it about then but had been deduced to be a sphere 300 years earlier.
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  4011. Facts are what are observable, not opinions. Experiments attempt to disprove hypotheses, not conform them.
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  4012. Both and other options; they are agreed that they are agreed on the answer though.
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  4013.  @JuggaloNY  They are agreed they are agreed on every answer; they just aren’t agreed in what it is they are agreed upon. In other words, each one has his own version of “the answers”.
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  4014.  @Globeisahoax  Try looking through a telescope.
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  4015.  @KangenAlec  And has to be actively shaped that way.
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  4016.  @Globeishoaxx  Your total inability to answer any questions.
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  4017.  @KangenAlec  Where are these clauses in the Antarctic Treaty?
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  4018. How do you conclude that?
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  4019.  @syamnakmuay89  No more than you can see yours.
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  4020.  @Globeisahoax  Days the guy who can’t answer questions…
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  4021. Why wouldn’t they work?
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  4022. What would frost up the lenses?
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  4023.  @KangenAlec  Any Evidence the company exists?
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  4024. Exasperated with people who demand evidence& explanations but don’t accept them.
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  4025. FE’ers frequently deny the existence of telescopes.
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  4026.  @KangenAlec  Still denying telescopes exist....
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  4027.  @KangenAlec  23.4.
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  4028.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again, 23.4 degrees and 67,000 mph.
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  4029.  @KangenAlec  None of which you are able to provide evidence for.
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  4030.  @blessings6806  You’re arguing that governments telling you things as they see fit are wrong. Which way do you want it?
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  4031. No plane has that fuel capacity.
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  4032. You mean like the cameras on the Tesla car or those on the ISS?
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  4033. The Earth was accepted to be a globe around 500BC. You're referring to the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system and I don't think anyone was barbecued merely for arguing in favour of the heliocentric system.
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  4034.  @billyholmes3  Reread what I wrote, slowly.
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  4035.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for a Sydney to Santiago direct flight is possible on a FE.
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  4036. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles, round shadow on lunar eclipses - explain how you think the Powers That Be are manipulating them.
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  4037.  @93kf  Not really; you're saying it's all lies so I'm asking you how you think it is done.
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  4038.  @nothcial  The necessary chip would be wider than the syringe, let alone the needle, and the injection would need to be subcutaneous rather intravascular.
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  4039.  @KangenAlec  Another non-answer from Kangen. You've never provided any evidence of this Pact, you can't name the clause in the Antarctic Treaty that you keep alluding to, you can't explain what is killing people and you can't explain why your "lethal injection" vaccine isn't lethal.
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  4040.  @KangenAlec  Because they are too thick to understand how pig ignorant they are.
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  4041. An open minded person would see a FE is readily disprovable and disproved. As I recall the total mention of evolution was the comment that we are in consensus that it exists.
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  4042.  @missalisha9644  They have no concept of focussing.
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  4043. Science is evidence-based and us self-correcting since research never stops. A wrong conclusion can be reached in the basis of limited evidence but will ultimately be corrected. What you may be thinking of is hiw the media reports ingoing science. The cartoon Science News Cycle depicts it quite nicely. Check Asimov’s The Relativity of Wrong.
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  4044.  @samuelsanchez4020  Apparently to support the Jesuit conspiracy to fool you so they can take economic advantage of the continents and/or infinite plain beyond the impenetrable dome & unsurmountable ice-wall. Evidence to back that: zilch.
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  4045.  @sophiashekinah9872  They seem to think light can only travel a certain distance, then runs out of energy and stops. Since the sun supposedly lights a very misshapen area of the FE, this fixed limit is highly variable. Once beyond this limit the sun is unseeable and the starlight that is way beyond the fixed/variable limit us discernible (they never explain how).
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  4046. Sufficient light is reflected from the Earth requires a short exposure time. The stars are faint and require a long exposure time. You can't carry out a short exposure and a long exposure simultaneously.
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  4047.  @elijahkennady8831  Reread what I wrote, slowly.
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  4048.  @matlabatt  You aren't going to see a virus through an optical microscope because they are too small to be seen through optical microscopes. You need to use an electron microscope for that magnification and there are abundant pictures available. Viruses require cells to multiply; they are essentially parasitic. That they won't multiply extracellularly does not mean they haven't been identified outside cells, just that cells need to be used to prepare enough virus to work with. "the narrative is super obvious at this point." Not to you it isn't. A bunch of ignorant conspiracy theorists pretend to be better informed than those who make a career out of science and you unquestioningly swallow anything they give you, patting yourself on the back for "thinking for yourself".
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  4049.  @Globeisahoax  A high altitude plane.
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  4050.  @KangenAlec  The satellite signal has a fixed point of origin; radio signals bouncing of the ionosphere do not.
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  4051. It's an attitude of facts being purely a matter of opinion and that evidence can be ignored or altered if you don't like it. Do you wish your kids to be taught that reality is whatever each person chooses it to be?
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  4052. How can the Earth be both globe and flat?
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  4053. There were three empty seats on the Tesla car. 😕
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  4054. It’s the insinuation that Ali bought his degree rather than earned it on merit.
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  4055.  @nimmerkaur5370  Willful ignorance and the general unwillingness or inability to thing beyond an initial observation.
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  4056.  @nimmerkaur5370  I've been trying to extract these facts from FE'ers for a few years. They all claim to possess them but none are ever forthcoming. You'll be waiting a long time.
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  4057. Anybody using an accurate map needs to be in it; millions need to be actively involved.
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  4058.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how everybody’s walking around after a lethal injection.
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  4059. It’s an inappropriate subject for a “middle ground” discussion.
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  4060. Try Professor Dave’s videos on the subject. Watch in chronological order.
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  4061. The video has been heavily edited. "can see further than the curvature would predict" FE'ers only consider curvature and not the effects of elevation and atmospheric refraction. Consequently they assume the horizon to be much closer than in actuality. None of them can zoom the set sun back into view or explain why the sun disappears from the bottom up. Meanwhile, when you take al three factors into account the horizon is exactly where it ought to be. "It is clear that they haven’t actually listened or watched the alternative evidence" It would make a change if FE'ers actually produced their evidence rather than spouting the same canards, e.g., "we can see too far".
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  4062. The video has been edited to cut out the juicy bits.
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  4063.  @KangenAlec  Data fabrication & plagiarism are the biggest no-nos in science. Another main principle is that every assertion has to backed with methodology & data, something FE’ers have no concept of.
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  4064.  @Globeisahoax  How does it maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity if it is small & local?
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  4065. "What is the chance of a BIG BANG" What do you think the chances are and why? "sphere shaped huge rock" Anything with a large enough mass will compress into a sphere.
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  4066.  @KangenAlec  What keeps the sun up, what moves it, what makes it change course, what powers the sun, why is such strange shape illuminated in a FE, how does it account for longer days in the Southern Hemisphere?
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  4067.  @Globeisahoax  Explain how this free energy would bd obtained. Tesla was interested in the transmission of energy in a manner similar to radio broadcasts, not sucking “free energy” out of thin air.
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  4068. The problem is people coming to a discussion waving a Bible and claiming it trumps fact, that observable reality is wrong rather than their religious beliefs.
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  4069.  @Globeisahoax  Why isn’t its motion like that of a small, local sun?
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  4070.  @KangenAlec  Have you heard of telescopes?
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  4071.  @KangenAlec  The P900 “zooms in” by blowing up the photo, reducing the resolution as it does so until you teach the point where a star or planet falls into a single pixel. Have you considered looking anything up before posting?
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  4072. Open minded means willing to listen to & consider different ideas; it does not mean accepting new ideas as true merely because they are different. Sometimes those new ideas really are crap, not insightful.
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  4073.  @GeneralMaddogGaming  You miss my point; when someone presents obvious crap then there is no obligation to give it prolonged consideration. When the errors are obvious it can be rapidly dismissed.
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  4074.  @GeneralMaddogGaming  The FE’ers are refusing to to consider anything that disagrees with what they want to believe while the scientists are rapidly dismissing the FE’ers claims because they can see the fundamental errors and jumps in logic. Is that clear?
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  4075.  @GeneralMaddogGaming  That one can’t see the FE’ers errors & presumptions does not mean they don’t exist.
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  4076.  @GeneralMaddogGaming  Edited to make it clearer. If you can see the problems then do can the scientists, which is why they are not giving it the consideration you were saying they should.
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  4077. Salvador Cota You have no idea how the strength of gravity and the malleability of a planet can be calculated so you think I am gullible for thinking the former could overcome the latter? Or is it that you consider yourself open-minded and a critical thinker for thinking an object in every way identical to duck could actually be something else for no supportable reason?
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  4078.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification and camera resolution you think that would require. How difficult is it for the man with the answers to answer?
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  4079. They get around it by saying the sun moves in a horizontal circle above a FE but can’t explain how that would work, why its observable behavior differs from their description or even explain how they determine how far away it is.
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  4080.  @paulsmith9574  They state a fact not an opinion; FE is archaic & disproved.
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  4081.  @KangenAlec  The geocentric model was based on a spherical Earth.
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  4082.  @KangenAlec  What force makes objects move and why in a consistent direction?
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  4083. How far you can see depends on your elevation.
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  4084.  @KangenAlec  And yet you can use GPS in mid-ocean and have a satellite dish pointing up into the sky to pick up TV. Still waiting on the FE explanations.
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  4085.  @KangenAlec  It’s just totally beyond FE’er comprehension to understand there can be more than observer. They assume the first person and only person to do something are synonymous.
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  4086.  @Quinfatipz  Searching for "maths for simulating solar eclipses" produces the maths used. Not difficult to find.
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  4087.  @Quinfatipz  He explained why it didn't occur every month, not why it was impossible.
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  4088. The FDA allowed different trial phases to run concurrently rather than consecutively. What was available to the public was no longer experimental.
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  4089. And the relationship to whether the Earth is flat is....?
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  4090. ​ @Globeisahoax  "Show me how sun light hits the earth at the angle" Unless the sun is directly over your head, the light is shining at an angle.
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  4091.  @Globeisahoaxx  Says the guy who can’t answer questions or produce evidence.
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  4092. 1. All the biblical references made are in the Tanakh. 2. We continually supply evidence. 3. People are willing to pay medics more for fussing over their bodies. 4. You’re asking why a submarine set for a specific depth remains at that depth?
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  4093. They can when sent from tall towers erected at high elevations as was done. Why is the role of elevation so difficult for FE’ers to grasp?
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  4094.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the observed motion of the sun contradicts what you’re claiming.
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  4095.  @phildavenport4150  I know he can’t; I’ve been asking him for two months. It might eventually dawn on him that he can’t explain it.
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  4096.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, you need to take elevation & refraction into account and the rail gun does not propel anything in a straight line.
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  4097.  @mushydunne115  He means 8”/mile^2; it was a rule of thumb used by land surveyors in the precalculator days. It assume no change in elevation and no atmospheric refraction and thus is good only short distances with no variation in elevation. FE’ers use it religiously because it gives the wrong answers when elevation & refraction need to be taken into account. Kangen doesn’t ask questions, just makes incorrect and unfounded claims.
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  4098.  @KangenAlec  It was determined 2000 years before Jesuits, Freemasons or banks existed.
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  4099.  @KangenAlec  Had it occurred to you that he is lying? I read Ptolemy’s work from c. 100 AD; that long predates Jesuits & Freemasons.
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  4100.  @Globeishoax  FE'ers have no agreement on the details of a FE other than that it is flat and that they are agreed on the details they can't agree on. Meanwhile long distance travel & trade is possible due to consistent globe maps.
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  4101.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on your explanation for how people are walking around after these lethal injections. How difficult is it for you to explain?
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  4102. 1972; taken in a single frame on an analogue camera from Apollo 17. In 2012 low orbit shots were spliced together to make a 3D picture. Some people conflate the two.
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  4103.  @KangenAlec  Buoyancy requires gravity.
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  4104.  @Globeisahoax  You’re the one insisting Australia is down.
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  4105.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  A bit?
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  4106.  @KangenAlec  What gives you weight and why would you move in any direction?
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  4107. There’s nothing stopping the Earth moving at that speed. Gravitational attraction. The moon rotates once per month as it orbits which is why we always see the same face. The Earth rotates on an axis like anything else, not a magnetic field. Rotation is one revolution per day, not 1000mph. Everything orbits the galactic centre. The stars are distant and moving in the same general direction; their apoarent position does change with time.
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  4108. What’s your technique for identifying alterations in photos?
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  4109.  @motorizedbicyclenation53cu90  Sigh. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are collectively taking several full hemisphere shots per hour from sufficient distance to not require wide-angle lenses. How many do you need?
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  4110.  @motorizedbicyclenation53cu90  You're looking for image compression artefacts; you will find them on all compressed images and they indicate compression, not forgery. You can download full resolution, uncompressed photos from multiple sources.
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  4111.  @KangenAlec  You said earlier that people were taking advantage of the land beyond your impenetrable barrier.
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  4112.  @dadano_lagano  WGS84 is the exact measurement of the Earth's shape. That the sun rises & sets while maintaining a constant angular diameter & angular velocity as it crosses the sky is how the ancient Greeks determined it plus the shadow at the lunar eclipse always being circular and objects disappearing over a horizon. I gather it is a regular school project in the US to triangulate the solstice sun and demonstrate a curved surface.
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  4113.  @dadano_lagano  Sigh. I'm pointing out that with WGS84 we are not in anyway lacking on measurements of the Earth's shape; it's not a unfounded assertion. The remainder is how the Greeks did it and so you can check it for yourself. I'm not presuming the ancient Greeks relied on WGS84.
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  4114. Kebabs are cylindrical.
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  4115.  @poweraesel9989  You don’t understand the difference between sphere and cylinder?
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  4116. How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter and velocity the course of the day?
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  4117. Jubilee wanted a balanced video, not one called Middle Ground where the evidence was entirely one-sided. Assuming you can see his comment, Globe is a Hoax will be happy to not supply you with any of the evidence he wants you to hear.
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  4118.  @Globeishoax  You possess brain cells? Have you seen them to verify that?
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  4119. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  4120.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for how they are unaffected by the ambient weather or what keeps them moving for years without refueling.
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  4121. You need to go higher than most balloons before the curvature becomes apparent across the camera's relatively narrow field of view. All FE'ers do is send a balloon up to an insufficient altitude to see the horizon curve and claim they've disproved it. They have no clue about determining the necessary height before starting.
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  4122.  @KangenAlec  So? How do you think it moves and moves only downwards if noting us moving it? (No, Dubay does not explain it.)
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  4123.  @KangenAlec  What is making the chair move and why does it always move downwards?
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  4124.  @Globeisahoax  The Book of Enoch was never in the Bible.
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  4125. Natural philosophy preceded science; the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe c. 500BC.
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  4126.  @Globeisahoax  Willful ignorance, incredulity, gullibility.., If you’re so knowledgeable and insightful they why cant you answer any questions?
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  4127.  @Globeisahoax  If they are lethal injections then why aren’t billions dying?
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  4128.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4129. The folks who make a great fuss about observation being the answer to everything are very fussy about what they observe. If it supports their idea then they observe, else ignore it.
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  4130. They might agree to something initially but then dismiss it as part of the hoax when it demonstrates a globe, eg, spacecraft windows just gotta be monitors playing real-time CGI….
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  4131. The Big Bang does not say everything comes from nothing but that the expansion can be traced back to one point. Scientific theories are based on extensive evidence and consistent make correct predictions. If you want to argue a theory is wrong then you need to come up with evidence to back that Without such evidence it is largely a waste of time to be coming up with alternative hypothetical explanations for basic theories; there is plenty else to do rather than checking over the equivalent of 2+2=4.
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  4132.  @joshuamclean4588  "I didn’t mention the big bang" When somebody makes the statement "I would argue that it’s impossible that everything came from nothing" it is pretty certain that they are referring to the big bang. "They also agree That if something had a beginning, something had to begin it" Nothing can be proven absolutely in science since that would require observation of an infinite number of events. A scientific theory is a comprehensive explanation for a phenomenon that is well-substantiated by extensive evidence and observation. That something can't be proven absolutely does not mean it is probably incorrect or that there is no sounds basis for the theory or that people are wrong in accepting it as true when expanding knowledge. "They also agree That if something had a beginning, something had to begin it" You mean cause and effect; it doesn't require than an omnipotent entity had to be the cause or that the cause being unknown means the effect can't have occurred. "it does not scientifically explain how life came to be" Abiogenesis is a separate, unrelated matter. "what they are saying is that everything was infjnitely dense" The evidence supports a model that runs from an instant after the big bang, indicating expansion from a single point; what caused or preceded it remains hypothetical. "and exploded and after milkions of years of lava flowing down life suddenly formed" For Earth that would be about 10 billions years later, would not a direct effect of the Big Bang and life would have formed over the course of at least millions of years, not spontaneously. "Do you know how likely it is that even a single proton necessary for life could have formed?" Near certainty. "Let alone everything in just the perfect order for there to be life?" Nobody is proposing some short and tidy progression for abiogenesis. It does seem a common misconception that life must have instantly or near instantly formed by unrelated matter spontaneously coalescing into a full functioning organism; it's known as Hoyle's fallacy. "if the evidence points to a creator then why can’t you accept it?" You need to provide such evidence. Concluding there must have been such an entity because you don't see how else it have occurred is not evidence. "I have to bring that up all the time with people trying to tell me everything is random" Chaotic rather than random; it's a complexity of ordered events giving an apparently random effect. Chaos doesn't preclude order occurring. Order can arise spontaneously in a locality at the expense of increased entropy in the system as a whole. "It is not a 100% proven theory that is beyond any form of scrutiny" There is scrutiny and there is ignorance & incredulity. "I don't see how..." is not evidence or a valid argument; someone needs to demonstrate that there is an error. "It has become a religion for atheists, but they don’t want to admit it’s a religion" It's a conclusion drawn from the evidence and is open to change if contrary evidence arises. Accepting an evidence-based conclusion as a valid explanation is not religion; it's sound reasoning. That you don't know the evidence & reasoning is not a valid counter-argument. Religion usually requires a deity and is based on dogma that disregards all evidence to the contrary. "what point can the big bang be traced to?" There is no absolute co-ordinate system, only relative co-ordinates. "because they have been expanding doesnt mean they have expanded from a single jnfinitely dense point over trillions of years" If you think the model is incorrect then you need to demonstrate that. "why does the year keep changing?" Approximately 13.5 billion years ago; on those time scales you can't expect to get an exact date. "Smart people, looking at real facts, but when u leave our God there are always holes" You are assuming the existence of God is a fact. You are using that assumption as an explanation for what you don't know. You aren't providing any evidence for omnipotent entity's existence or involvement, just circular reasoning that the each proves the other. You need to demonstrate the existence of such an entity, not just assume it as a convenient explanation.
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  4133. He’s an astrophysicist. Scientific theories are built on experimentation & observation, not just ideas.
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  4134.  @KangenAlec  You’ve been told repeatedly how you can verify the globe for yourself but you’re afraid to do it.
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  4135. Being open minded means the willingness to listen to and consider alternative ideas; it isn't a requirement to believe illogical and unsupported claims merely because they are alternative.
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  4136.  @KangenAlec  That you can’t understand something does not make it fiction. Repeating what a conman told you does not make his burblings fact.
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  4137.  @Globeisahoax  Why not try educating us and answer people’s questions?
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  4138. Himawari-8. Elektro-L and EPIC are collectively taking several full hemisphere shots per hour, all immediately downloadable; how much you can see is dependent on how faraway the camera is. The Apollo missions took Earthrise & Blue Marble in single frame shots on film. Low orbit satellites are too close for such shots; until the camera-equipped high orbit satellites were launched pictures like Blue Marble 2 had to composites.
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  4139.  @KangenAlec  The highest a plane is going to fly is about 100,000ft (20 miles); it doesn't matter how wide an angle used there's far less in view than from LEO satellites at 200-2000 miles.
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  4140.  @KangenAlec  Show the relevant clauses in the Treaty.
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  4141.  @phildavenport4150  I know; this has been going on for about four months.
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  4142.  @KangenAlec  If someone receives a lethal injection then they aren’t going to get sick.
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  4143.  @Maddie5b  Pseudoscience is when a claim or belief is made to sound scientific when it actuality it has no scientific basis. Pseudoscientific claims can be disproven by science simply because they can't stand up to the rigour of testing despite posing as science.
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  4144.  @Globeisahoax  You mean scientific thinking is regurgitation while FE regurgitation is thinking?
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  4145. Commitment to stupidity on Kangen’s case.
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  4146. They don’t understand when you explain it in the simplest of terms. Check Professor Dave’s proving a globe without science videos.
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  4147.  @ecchi12  Dubay is for gullible fools.
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  4148.  @ecchi12  Who but a troll or FE’er would tell people to listen to Dubay? You wouldn’t be the first to pretend to be equivocal when directing people there.
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  4149. The argument is that a conspiracy to conceal a FE is the raison d’etre for NASA, that they are fooling people to justify the apparent spending on space exploration which is used as a cover to get the money to maintain that cover. If requires ignoring other space agencies and the fact that the Earth is round was demonstrated millennia before NASA was dreamt of. Check Last Thursdayism. To qualify as a scientific argument you need to supply evidence there was a Creator and propose a means (actual or hypothetical) to test the assertion (falsifiability) otherwise you are in a purely philosophical discussion.
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  4150.  @tanelkagan  The burden of evidence lies on the person making the assertion, whether they are asserting there is or that there isn't a god. In science conclusive evidence has to meet the criterion of falsifiability, ie., the test has to be able to demonstrate if the assertion is false. (Since the possibility of other unknown causes always exist no test can conclusively prove an effect is due to one particular cause, just indicate that the asserted cause is probably true.) However when you are testing for the existence of an omnipotent entity, that entity can manipulate the test to make it appear negative; you can never meet the criterion of falsifiability. Even that assumes that merely constructing such a test is possible; how would you go about testing for the existence of an apparently undetectable entity? The discussion belongs in philosophy rather than science. "Because they have (or think they have) explanations for everything they can perceive, as well as for many things they cannot, they simply dismiss and say "your evidence isn't evidence at all"." Such explanations are based on verifiable fact and logical deductions; that nothing can be proved absolutely in science does not mean there is lack of sound basis or that the theory is probably wrong, simply that the possibility will always remain that there is an alternative cause. If the suggested alternative cause requires the inclusion of an undetectable omnipotent entity then Occam's Razor advocates sticking with the scientific explanation. I would note that "your evidence isn't evidence at all" is usually an accurate criticism; all the evidence put to me consisted of cherry-picking and selective interpretation requiring a predetermined conclusion, i.e., circular reasoning.
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  4151. "suspended in a Cosmic Jelly like substance" No, that the space between the different bodies was filled with an unknown substance referred to as luminferous aether; it was then believed that light required a medium to travel through.
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  4152.  @KangenAlec  What he said is beyond your comprehension.
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  4153. "Flat Earth was made up by religion, Zionists I think" You're letting your beliefs govern your thinking. Look up Samuel Rowbotham instead of presuming. Big Bang was originally a derogatory term used by those sceptical of the notion and refers to the rapid expansion of the universe after its beginning, not the event that prompted its beginning. The name stuck because of the alliteration, not a belief of an actual sound. Nobody is saying that the universe came from nothing; that is a common misconception.
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  4154.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles; still waiting on your explanations how these support a FE when they obviously contradict it.
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  4155. It may be of no direct consequence in your daily activities but modern civilisation is dependent on worldwide trade; wrong shape, wrong maps, no deliveries.
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  4156. Blue Marble in 1972; Himawari-8, EPIC & Elektro-L satellites currently taking several shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. How many pictures do you need?
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  4157. The need to "know" something that other people don't so you feel special backed up with willful ignorance and not thinking & questioning while drinking the FE guru's kool-aid. Leads to this cosy mentality where you can't answer any questions (or even understand some of them) or explain yourself coherently but remain firmly convinced that you're the well-informed genius.
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  4158. 8”/mile^2 was a rule of thumb used by labs surveyors in pre-calculator days. It assumes no change in elevation and no refraction, just estimates the drop over their working distances. As Kangen demonstrates, no matter how many times it is explained to them that elevation is crucial in determining how far you can see, FE’ers are incapable of thinking beyond one factor at a time.
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  4159. I would not on your original point, FE’ers have a belief that everything needs to be personally verified, that essentially that each of them is the one & only witness in the universe. Strangely they will quote crack-handed “experiments” that they haven’t done but insist that all scientists should each personally verify every piece of knowledge we have. The concept that something is accepted because it has already been verified by countless numbers of people and more verification would be a waste of time & resources just doesn’t occur to them.
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  4160. ​ @dankennerson2080  Some would dismiss your bridge-building as part of the indoctrination; to them verification means deducing the principles by yourself, not just putting into practice what is in a textbook. Others will insist that your model's design was determined by the teacher so it apparently for what was taught. Anything but acknowledge it has been repeatedly verified. I really do mean that they believe that each one of us should personally verify every last bit of knowledge, not just what we work with. It's partly a failure to understand how much is known, partly a get out clause so they can make dismissive comments rather than support their claims. There are 1000's of papers published on PubMed weekly; I don't have the time to verify everything published, just take it with a pinch of salt and watch how a particular line of research develops. If I can incorporate something into my own work then, yes, I need to verify both that it works and that I can get it to work but I don't try verifying the whole paper. Right now, I have to prepare material to take for LC-MS/MS analysis; I have a limited knowledge of how that works but I can be reasonably sure the people in the facility know what they are doing. It isn't necessary of me to develop the knowledge & technology then design, build & operate my own but that is what some of them demand. I don't have the background to be familiar with, say, cosmology but I can be sure that other people do. I can go to arXiv and locate a stack of papers from people confirming, say, that the CMB exists. Being verified by relative experts I can take it as read that it exists, that it's not the untested postulate of one guy. They won't accept that though they are satisfied by a YT videos of people screwing up measurements on how far they can see. I realise I failed to mention that they think we don't conduct any experiments; they seem to believe we send our time looking at a blackboard and musing. I've asked repeatedly what they think we have labs for; the only answer I have ever received is someone who thought all labs were used for teaching, apaprently based on the fact that a teaching lab was the only one he had set foot in.
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  4161.  @KangenAlec  I do but you don't. How do you think CGI is shot from an analogue camera?
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  4162. Any scientific assertion has to be supported by evidence; there is a abundant evidence for a globe, none for a FE and FE is easy to disprove. Willful ignorance is not being smart. When the shape of the Earth id fully measured, room for improvement is measurement to a higher resolution, nit considering a shape it patently isn’t.
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  4163.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the observed sun behaves differently to what you claim.
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  4164. People who buy into one conspiracy are likely to buy into more; it offers easy descriptions of how the world around them works with the minimum of facts to digest.
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  4165. The original BM was taken in one frame by an analogue camera. 30 years on there were cameras in low orbit taking high res shots that could be stitched to get a better resolution.
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  4166.  @KangenAlec  Compass, angle to the sun....
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  4167. Should we base our on knowledge on determinable fact or on imagination & denial? The former gave you the computer you’re commenting on, the latter copious quantities of handwavium.
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  4168.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on you to provide any evidence to back your claim.
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  4169. One would hope so given it was written a millennium after it was determined the Earth was a globe.
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  4170.  @KangenAlec  And you tell me you don’t have gurus?
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  4171.  @Globeisahoax  What’s your technique for identifying CGI, how was CGI achieved before CGI existed and how do you think real-time animation to be possible?
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  4172.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how you think NASA was fooling the ancient Greeks. Whats the hold up?
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  4173. It supposed to be the “middle ground” and FE’ers can’t provide valid arguments.
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  4174.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how the FE sun stays up, how it moves, how it changes course or how southern hemisphere summer days have mire daylight rather than less. Pull your head out of your arse and try answering.
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  4175. You can look at the sun’s movement and measure the angle to Polaris for yourself. Do you think NASA is shuffling them around in the sky? How exactly would the Earth being a globe hide God?
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  4176.  @brandonclement  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses having circular shadows.
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  4177. 1. Directly viewing something is not the only way of determining shape & existence. 2. Images from the ISS always have the Earth close & "underneath" because it is in close orbit to Earth. The Apollo missions gave you the pictures you're demanding and Himawari-8, EPIC & Elektro-L several more every hour. 3. THe rovers are being sent to Mars to study Mars. Martians would see Earth the same way we see Mars; a bright dot in the sky.
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  4178.  @jovonmartell7308  WGS84 indicates the measurements add up nicely. I just told you the names of satellites currently taking the pictures you’re demanding. The technology is 50 years old and incompatible with today’s. Try putting a floppy into your phone if you don’t believe me.
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  4179. ?
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  4180. What are the inconsistencies?
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  4181. Accretion.
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  4182.  @mominabdurrahman88  Matter condensed from some of the energy as the universe cooled; the distribution would not be uniform so gravitational attraction led to the gradual formation of first generation stars. Fusion in the led to heavier elements firming, the stars eventually went nova redistributing the matter, again unevenly. Over time some of the matter condensed to form second generation stars and planets.
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  4183.  @KangenAlec  Still waiting on any of you to come up with plausible explanations.
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  4184. Such as? They provide ignorance & incredulity, not proof.
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  4185. That it exists is demonstrable (Cavendish experiment); that we don’t know the full mechanism is irrelevant regarding whether it exists. You don’t need to know what causes lightning to be struck by it.
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  4186.  @KangenAlec  How many personnel do you think it would it take to guard a 60,000 mile perimeter? The US has 1.3 million military personnel and still can't stop illegal immigration.
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  4187.  @Globeisahoax  How can you conclude that people wouldn’t understand your explanations when you’ve never tried producing them at all?
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  4188.  @KangenAlec  Why can't any of you impart this great wisdom that you think you possess?
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  4189.  @KangenAlec  There isn’t a FE map; the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  4190.  @KangenAlec  Military & navigation use the Mercator projection, another globe map.
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  4191.  @KangenAlec  Except the ones that didn’t.
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  4192. Verifiable signal to, on & from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back.
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  4193. Were you using the correct maths?
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  4194. 1. Either there would be an edge or some barrier but FE’ers can provide no evidence of either or even agree which it is. Nor can they explain why someone heading over “the edge” would reappear on the opposite side of Antarctica. 2. They have the notion that the Earth revolves at 1000mph (a linear velocity) and expect videos & photographs would show a blur that they associate with fast moving objects. They have no concept of scale or maths and so have no clue that their perception would mean each day would be a few seconds in length.
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  4195. Paleontology. How much does a subject need to be looked at to satisfy you that it is being looked at?
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  4196. Where exactly do you think there is uncontainable pressure next to vacuum? Note that air pressure decreased with increasing altitude and think carefully before you answer.
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  4197.  @algorscutula  That’s only on this moniker; he’s had at least two before this, posting the same drivel day after day and refusing to provide evidence or explanation because he considers questions to be harassment.
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  4198. What’s your definition of pseudoscience?
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  4199. What do you think we do in labs? "Facts change all the time with science" The conclusions drawn at the cutting edge can change as more facts become available through research; our knowledge is not static. "we only know what we have been told right? " That may be true for you but not for the people actually involved in the research or those utilising the gained knowledge. You need to think beyond yourself.
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  4200.  @funfilmphilippines  "you do what you are told to do by a predetermined concept" Something which is true for a school lab, though the purpose there is to demonstrate the accuracy of what is being taught, ie., you are not just told x will happen but that you can see it happen for yourself. Research labs work differently; they are not educational but at the forefront of garnering new information and where all info has to be checked carefully to ensure accuracy and reproducibility. "You are told that the universe started from nothing" As I said elsewhere, that's a common misconception about the BB. "time is some magic wand" No; everything takes time, be it a millisecond or a million years but nobody proposes time to be the causative factor. We can determine what factors will lead to planet formation through physics & chemistry. You were essentially proposing that the Earth forming was a direct result of the BB, rather than something than happened billions of years later; again another misconception.
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  4201.  @spirit_mechanic  "are you saying that there was a creator or there was just a 'nothing' " Neither. I said that we don't know what preceded the expansion. "This is scientifically impossible to your own standards" There is no indication that you need information for planets or organisms to form; it seems logical since we need plans to construct something but in reality planets simply need gravity while organisms require chemical interactions and the input of energy (sun). There can be an increase in order as long as there is a net increase in entropy. If you mean what preceded the BB then not knowing does not mean the BB couldn't happen.
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  4202.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when down is towards the centre if the globe then there is no top & bottom. Not a difficult concept just totally beyond your mental grasp.
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  4203.  @KangenAlec  How does the sun retain a constant angular diameter & angular velocity and rise & set? YOur FE models say it should act very differently to what we observe.
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  4204.  @KangenAlec  What makes you move at all?
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  4205. How do you direct intercontinental flights would work if there were no accurate maps?
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  4206.  @KangenAlec  A “black sun” that is in “hidden lands” and pops out just block the moon and nothing else? Explain how that works exactly.
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  4207. FE’ers base their conclusions on their ignorance rather than knowledge.
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  4208. The galaxies are more disc shaped due to rotation producing centrifugal force that counters gravitational pull. The universe being flat does not mean it is 2D or that spacetime is not warped by mass but refers to an overall shape to soacetime (all Greek to me).
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  4209. I couldn’t see across NY city from the Twin Towers due to the pollution. Assuming the air to be clear then you ought to be able to see several hundred miles on a FE from a modest height.
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  4210. Apparently light "gets tired" at a fixed but highly distance so only a warped area is illuminated at a given time in a way that it appears the Earth is a globe. The sun supposedly shrink away to a quarter of its size without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon, abruptly switches off because it's too far for the light, after which you can see the light from stars that much further away than the supposed maximum distance.
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  4211. Cavendish experiment.
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  4212. Can a magician make a rabbit disappear?
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  4213.  @KangenAlec  Every unpowered missile travels in an arc.
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  4214.  @KangenAlec  It was never in and the Vatican came into existence centuries after it was first compiled. Still no evidence from you to back what you're claiming but what's new...
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  4215. You need to make a make a prediction to carry out an experiment. In this case you need to calculate the altitude where curvature would become apparent on the camera given its angle of view; anything below that altitude would not be testing anything.
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  4216.  @vivliforia2262  If you don’t know how high you need to go to see whether the curve is there then how will you know if the camera has been high enough to determine that? If you think it doesn’t matter then you may as well stand in a chair and declare it high enough.
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  4217.  @vivliforia2262  If only some people are using fish eye lens then it isn’t always fish eye lenses. If you are not trying to actually measure something then a fish eye lens is immaterial. Most trips send the camera up simply for the view.
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  4218.  @vivliforia2262  Reread what I wrote, slowly.
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  4219.  @KangenAlec  The further away you are from a sphere the more of the surface is visible. There was a limited view of the surface because he was still relatively close. I’ve asked you before and you still haven’t answered: how are your balloons unaffected by weather, how do they move and what has kept them aloft for years?
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  4220. Because a vast range of reproducible research has been carried out by multiple parties and found to be consistent in supporting one and only one conclusion. There may be a few scientists who think otherwise but whose ideas remain speculative; you need reproducible evidence to disprove something, not just a cool-sounding idea.
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  4221.  @Globeisahoax  still denying telescopes exist then?
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  4222. The ancient Greeks deduced it, largely from the motion of the sun & stars.
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  4223.  @KangenAlec  Which would put a hole in the top of the dome.
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  4224.  @KangenAlec  And yet the FE contradicts observable reality. Still waiting for your explanation for contradictions being supportive.
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  4225.  @KangenAlec  If it is always above Earth then it is always day. Explain how day & night happen.
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  4226.  @KangenAlec  The geocentric model is based on a spherical Earth; which way do you want it?
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  4227.  @KangenAlec  The sun observably rises & sets; FE’ers say it doesn’t.
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  4228.  @Globeisahoax  And yet none of you can provide evidence or explain anything.
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  4229. The video has been heavily edited to remove much of the scientists’ input.
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  4230.  @Tomy-im8zl  Open-mindedness is the willingness to listen to and consider alternative ideas; when said ideas are crap it is not closed-minded to reject them. The Earth was proven not to be flat millenia ago; it has since been mapped and measured to fine detail. It is not closed-minded to reject a disproven idea. "a real scientist should always say "only better evidence"" If something is already disproven then there isn't going to be better evidence.
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  4231.  @Globeishoaxx  Yet again, dingus - what lens magnification and camera resolution do you think are needed to achieve that?
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  4232.  @Globeisahoax  Then stop faffing around and produce the evidence.
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  4233. How would any cult manage to have such absolute control over information? You can measure the Earth’s curvature with sticks & shadows; how would any cult control shadows?
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  4234.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who cant answer any questions….
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  4235.  @KangenAlec  Only when using your P900 that isn’t designed for such low light magnification.
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  4236. A bright narrow beam through a fine water spray works. You don't need a "reflective dome".
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  4237. They're discussing what a scientific theory is, not the shape of the Earth. You can never prove something absolutely but you can reach the point where it would be absurd to not to accept a theory as correct; consensus is that agreement. Unless somebody actually manages to come up with evidence that the theory is incorrect or complete then there is no realistic dispute. Something can be disproven; the Earth being flat being one such assertion. That something can't be proven absolutely does not mean it is probably wrong (quite the opposite) nor does it mean a disproven hypothesis is probably correct.
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  4238.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4239. What do you we do in labs?
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  4240. You think that in the course of a century that nobody has actually done anything to check if Einstein was correct? What do you think we do in labs? Newman’s machine was tested. It didn’t produce more energy than it used.
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  4241.  @KangenAlec  Tesla tried to send electricity through the air, not harvest it from the air. Explain where you think these energy weapons were situated. Explain why you think the dust wouldn’t have originated from the other materials in the buildings’ structure.
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  4242. Usually these answers: 1. "They" are doing it to fool you. 2. "They" are hiding God by putting the sun in the middle. 3. "They" are taking advantage of hidden lands beyond the impassable ice-wall and impenetrable dome.
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  4243. Snip, snip on the part of the editors taking out the one way flow of evidence.
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  4244.  @hmgrraarrpffrzz9763  They do ignore the missing lower part of the city.
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  4245.  @yannick338  Vaccination programmes per se stop the spread of a disease; it was different here because Covid is pandemic rather than endemic and the vaccines are novel.
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  4246.  @yannick338  He doesn’t actually any questions, just keeps professing to have them and wants you to know them.
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  4247.  @kasandraruskay9744  Laws describe the phenomenon, theories explain them; that is the distinction between the two. A scientific theory is a explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well-substantiated through extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. "I don't know about the gyroscope proving we are spinning" The gyroscope will maintain its orientation; it can be observed (with a laser gyroscope or high quality mechanical gyroscope) to have a 15 degree per hour drift, indicative of the Earth rotating. "I do know that it proves our world is not spherical." They also indicate that the world is spherical. You haven't be told about the correctional mechanism required in navigational gyroscopes to compensate for that curvature. "debunk this crzy "flat earth' idea and cannot" You don't know how gyroscopes work and have swallowed the bunkum fed you by FE'ers. Ignorance is not fantastic perception of the facts; it is ignorance.
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  4248.  @GREAT-BIG-MOUTH  "It is available on the app version of PooTube, but the website isn't showing it" Has it not occurred to you that there is a fault with the Youtube app?
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  4249. You're assuming that FE'ers are receptive to facts, e.g., Kangen here won't even accept that telescopes exist. Good luck getting any evidence out of them.
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  4250.  @AndreaMeadors  You appear to be saying that we are simply given information rather than do anything to verify or advance upon it.
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  4251.  @AndreaMeadors  Who do you think controls the information and how can they manage and have managed it for centuries? NASA is not the only space agency (or the first) nor is the US the only country nor has the Earth bring a globe occurred since 1958. The Ancient Greeks determined it was a globe purely from observation and cartographers had it mapped in varying degrees of detail in the 18th century. These days we have GPS that works anywhere and planes that take you directly between cities on different continents. FE’ers screwing up experiments and being baffled by measurements or more than one variable doesn’t change that. In terms of information it’s publish or perish. Check arXiv and PubMed online and consider how you can consider the information so well controlled or how you think nobody but ignorami would notice something missing.
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  4252.  @AndreaMeadors  Your ears are not going to pick-up on one revolution per minute so you're not going to feel anything from one revolution per day. Your body is sensitive to acceleration but not to velocity (you infer that from acceleration & audiovisual cues) so you aren't going to sense the movement of Earth through space. The nearest star is 4 light years away, most falling into 100's to 1000's of lightyears distant, all moving in the same general direction as the sun as the galaxy rotates. The more distant an object the less angular change over time that you see for a given velocity; it will take 10,000s years for the stars to change perceptibly to the eye.
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  4253.  @AndreaMeadors  I have no problem accepting that my senses are limited; much of what I work with is too small to be seen. You can't assume the Earth is stationary merely because you can't feel any motion or that Earth is a special exception merely because you are standing on it. Looking at the motion of objects around us it is logical that the Earth is moving on its orbit. That it rotates can be directly demonstrated with a Foucault pendulum or high quality gyroscope. You need to appreciate scale. Spaced is largely empty and the chances of colliding with a large body is remote even over millions of years. The stars are far more distant than you are envisaging.
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  4254.  @Globeisahoax  How did they manage the circumpolar flights?
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  4255. Everything's just gotta be a conspiracy, you should disregard observable reality when explaining observable reality, physics is all explained by the law of just does... and continues in that vein.
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  4256. Where is the 95%, unexplored region exactly?
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  4257.  @Globeisahoax  Except we understand the FE better than FE'ers; you're totally incapable of answering any questions while blathering on about how well informed you are.
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  4258. The video has bern edited to remove the one way flow of evidence.
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  4259. Theorem is maths.
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  4260.  @Globeisahoax  Still no motive…
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  4261. It means raise or lift.
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  4262. Copernicus noted in personal correspondence that a heliocentric system with circular orbits has fewer complications & fixes than the geocentric system. Decades later Galileo’s astronomy indicated Copernicus was correct. In the interval the Church had gotten stricter about heresy and they perceived Galileo’s work as potentially heretical; he got into trouble.
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  4263. What do you think we do in labs?
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  4264.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how you think the Cavendish experiment works. None of you have. Why don't you try?
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  4265.  @Jomesteer  Elimination leads to gravity.
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  4266.  @KangenAlec  Try actually reading the Treaty.
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  4267.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4268. Think that through.
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  4269.  @KangenAlec  Provide the evidence.
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  4270.  @KangenAlec  Unlike you he measures the distance to it, triangulates its position and determines its path.
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  4271.  @seankim7055  Produce this proof.
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  4272.  @KangenAlec  The tilt is measurable and it doesn’t define up & down.
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  4273.  @dimensio_italian_magician  Cue FE claims that the stars don’t move… This guy denies the existence of telescopes.
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  4274. "You only need to read up on the radiation surrounding earth" I suggest that you actually do so rather take simply accepting some people's assertions. You are referring to the Van Allen belts and cosmic radiation, both of which can be readily dealt with.
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  4275.  @andanmmartens2297  He appears delusional.
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  4276.  @Gills420  The folks who claim to be “using their own brain” to “think for themselves” are not renowned for actually thinking, just seizing the first thing that is different regardless of the glaring holes & contradictions.
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  4277. The FE’ers didn’t actually produce any evidence to discuss; they never do, only a continuous flow of ignorance and incredulity. That is why the discussion was about philosophy rather than the facts the FE’ers dint have.
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  4278. Dedication.
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  4279. They mean dust and moisture. On a FE you would be able to see several hundred miles, the distance decreasing as you gain elevation.
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  4280.  @KangenAlec  "The bottom line, your senses don’t lie" Magicians make a living demonstrating otherwise.
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  4281. ​ @KangenAlec  Which way do you want it? You said your senses don't lie and now you're saying they can be fooled? Make your mind up.
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  4282. The Koran was written about a millenium after it was deduced the Earth was spherical.
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  4283.  @KangenAlec  Yet none of you have ever done that, just advertised your own idiocy.
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  4284.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how people are alive after the lethal injections.
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  4285.  @KangenAlec  How does the sun maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity through the course of the day? What stops the light travelling and why does the distance vary so much? How can the sun be only 50 miles from you while following s path that would take it thousands of miles from you? All simple easy-peasy questions so why can’t you ever answer?
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  4286. A few weeks for the fleet to sail to within range, an hour or so for the planes to bridge the final distance.
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  4287. It wasn’t taken out; it wasn’t included when the collected volume was first compiled.
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  4288. I din’t think you understand what magnification means.
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  4289. How far you can see is determined by the combination of curvature, elevation & atmospheric refraction; FE’ers only ever consider curvature and never elevation refraction. She’s saying that she can see further from a high elevation and Ali is asking her what the mystery is.
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  4290.  @Globeisahoax  Why cant you answer any questions about the FE sun if you know do much about it?
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  4291.  @KangenAlec  Asking questions is harassment?
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  4292.  @KangenAlec  You profess to be the man with the answers so why is it harassment to ask what they are?
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  4293.  @KangenAlec  Really? You were saying satelloons only a few weeks ago.
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  4294.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think is required to do that?
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  4295. Somebody has to pay for it.
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  4296.  @Globeishoaxx  That's a new one. You were saying it was to establish total mind control of the populace. What changed your mind?
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  4297.  @KangenAlec  They don’t explain it, they just regurgitate ignorance and pat each other on the back.
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  4298. On a FE? Around 600-700 miles weather permitting, the view gradually disappearing into haze. World record photo is 250 miles, of a mountain tip peaking above a horizon.
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  4299.  @KangenAlec  Motion if the sun, horizons, two celestial poles - still waiting on your explanations.
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  4300. They’re further back than that; the ancient Greeks figured it out around 500BC.
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  4301. They can’t. They simply say the sun moves in a circle parallel ti the surface of the FE and for never specified reasons only lights a limited misshapen area at a time, the area bearing little resemblance to what is observable daytime.
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  4302. One revolution per day; how much of a blur would you expect that to be?
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  4303.  @Globeisahoax  How is your failure to answer any questions exposing anything other than your ignorance?
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  4304.  @KangenAlec  Why don’t you try explaining anything?
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  4305. How many people need to demonstrate something to be true for consensus that it is true to be justified?
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  4306.  @KangenAlec  Not Q-Anon?
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  4307. 360 degrees in 24 hours is 15 degrees/hr, half the speed of the hour hand on a clock. What do you expect to see at that rotational velocity and why?
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  4308.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, motion of sun....
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  4309. Why can no FE’er ever produce these real arguments?
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  4310.  @KangenAlec  You need to explain how a flight could exceed the speed & range of the aircraft.
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  4311. ​ @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: motion of then sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Verifiable by any Tom, Dick or Harry and we are still waiting for the FE explanations.
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  4312. The Cavendish experiment demonstrated the existence of gravity. The existence & orbit of Neptune was correctly predicted form the gravitational effect on Uranus. Nothing in science goes untested or assumed or unquestioned. That you don't know something does not mean that something is unknown. "there was a force pushing the balloons up and science would have accepted that as fact" Buoyant force, the result of gravity pulling an object through a fluid. Totally dependent on the existence of gravity. Asking how something works is not foolish; refusing to consider the answers is. "deducts that what is less dense than air rises and what is more dense than air falls downwards" They usually just claim that density is a force with no idea of why a ratio would be able to act as one; their thought processes end when the first idea occurs. Science insist everything be checked rigorously and all alternatives considered; we do what you think FE'ers are doing.
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  4313.  @Globeisahoax  How do they get the nanobots into people? Down the hypodermic needle that is too narrow to fit them?
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  4314. What are these patents?
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  4315.  @andrewreynold1468  If they are all so well hidden then who has the evidence that they exist? Aside from Tesla’s tower not being for collecting free energy, how do you think such towers wouldn’t cost anything to build and maintain?
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  4316.  @andrewreynold1468  The purpose of Tesla's towers was sending electricity, not collecting it (or free energy); he tried adapting it for radio transmission and that went nowhere. His backer was banker (JP Morgan), not an oil tycoon, who pulled out because neither project was going anywhere. You need to check facts before proselytising.
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  4317.  @andrewreynold1468  "he had designs for cars" "wasn't going to make money" Think that through.
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  4318.  @andrewreynold1468  He was a banker, not an oil tycoon. If it was possible to make money then he would be interested. Explain why you think electric cars would be cost-free to build and maintain. Explain how you conclude they would handed out free rather than sold. Explain why you think the people building & maintaining the cars wouldn’t install meters.
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  4319.  @andrewreynold1468  JP Morgan was an investment banker; if some of those investments were in oil businesses it still does not make him an oil tycoon. A design on a page does not give everybody a free, maintenance-free electric car with no meter; they have to be built & maintained and that does not cost nothing and that cost has to be recouped to break even. Explain how you think that should be done. Any electricity that Tesla had succeeded in transmitting would have to be generated somewhere. Generation costs money and the person spending the money generating that energy would want to at least recoup their costs. Explain how you think they would do it.
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  4320.  @andrewreynold1468  Who would have paid for the cars & electricity?
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  4321.  @andrewreynold1468  Ionosphere rather stratosphere, the former beginning at about 30 miles high and Tesla's tower was 187 ft high. Even if it was the stratosphere then that begins only at about 33,000 ft and Tesla's tower was still only 187 ft high. If it cost nothing to build & maintain Tesla's tower and cost-free cars could be built then why would he need a financial backer and what would be the problem with the backer pulling out? "i didn't say anything about maintenance" Because you hadn't thought that far. All equipment requires maintenance and that has to be paid for somewhere.
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  4322.  @andrewreynold1468  Tesla believed that electricity could be delivered through the air in much the same way telecommunications are; his intent was that people could have an aerial to pick up the electricity rather than a direct cable. He said nothing of it being free; incoming electricity would still have been metered simply by attaching a meter to the aerial rather than the cable. It seems a common misconception that his tower was designed to draw electricity from the atmosphere rather than transmit it; his idea of people getting electricity through the air is portrayed as the atmosphere being naturally filled with electricity that could be tapped into. Projects do (hopefully) become self-sufficient but they do that by recouping costs from the consumer. Regardless of how electricity would be delivered it would still have to be paid for. What would be of interest to a banker would be a scheme that didn't require building & maintaining a network of cables; it would be possible to sell cheaper electricity to the consumer while making the same or larger profit. Tesla was a brilliant man but he was not the demi-god portrayed by some. He was a pioneer but he did not design everything or nearly everything that we use. Edison ripped off a lot of people in that sense, his company employing innovators without intellectual or financial credit; he was principally a businessman intent on making money from electricity. Tesla did not have a head for business; JP Morgan pulled out because of runaway costs from Tesla repeatedly changing the project's aims.
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  4323.  @bigdogg1206  Your OP was declaring that to be gaslighting. Which is it?
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  4324.  @bigdogg1206  "They are vibrations and frequencies. A simple radio telescope would do it." Which you are saying is gaslighting. Make your mind up.
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  4325. Could work if you come at it from the right angle.
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  4326.  @Globeisahoax  Still claiming an artist’s impression is evidence…
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  4327.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  4328. They wouldn’t happen at all since most FE’ers insist both sun & moon are continuously above Earth.
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  4329.  @KangenAlec  No sun present in the sky and somehow it passes across the moon’s face and appears as a shadow instead of a bright light as it does so?
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  4330.  @Globeishoaxx  That’s his point. Why don’t you tell us how it behaves the way we observe rather than the way you predict? You’re keen to tell people you have the answers so why not divulge them?
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  4331.  @Globeisahoax  You’ve never explained how that power is supposed to be obtained; want to try now or just keep dodging?
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  4332. Most don't give a damn, some say it is just a floating disc, some that it is part of an infinite planes that extends infinitely down but most will tell you they have the agreed upon answer.
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  4333.  @KangenAlec  Why not ask those questions here?
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  4334.  @modostig67  Either Kangen was getting so much flak he deleted his account or YT booted him after complaints.
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  4335. Accurate maps for worldwide trade & travel, GPS, satellite tv.
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  4336.  @Kolibri891  Somebody has to navigate and there is an operational limit on how far a plane or ship can travel when fully fueled. The map would indeed be the same; we're currently using a globe map that works and we're still waiting on even a crude map from FE'ers.
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  4337.  @Kolibri891  They'll have to find it first :-)
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  4338.  @Kolibri891  He believes in every conspiracy going including some super-secret pact to do with the Antarctic Treaty and that there are hundred of millions of post-vaccination bodies piling up somewhere.
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  4339. But not so open-minded that your brains fall out.
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  4340.  @lpaiugohodkfsubvh1401  Centrifugal force means it is very slighted flattened at the poles; to most intents and purposes it is a perfect sphere.
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  4341. It’s not representing Christians. It is generally recognised that FE’ers are not typical Christians but a small subset.
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  4342.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  4343. It’s been heavily edited.
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  4344.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, accurate maps, satellites, abundant photos....
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  4345. To stop it turning into a massacre. Their discussions are usually conflicting opinions while we’ve known the Earth was a sphere for 2500 years and are dependent on accurate global maps for trade & travel.
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  4346.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence….
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  4347.  @Globeisahoax  24hr sun. Still waiting on the FE explanation for it. Do you want to explain?
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  4348. Not knowing he cause for something does not mean it didn’t happen. You do realise we publish evidence?
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  4349. A meteor striking the moon blew some fragments into space; some entered the Earth’s atmosphere as meteors, a few landing as meteorites. Some have been found. They differ from the parent rock due to the barbecuing en route and so can’t be confused with rocks brought directly from the moon but FE’ers minds don’t stretch to such distinctions.
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  4350.  @Globeisahoax  You’ve been told umpteen times and you never rebut what’s said so why are you asking yet again?
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  4351.  @KangenAlec  And yet you are directing people to them....
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  4352. No; when something has been well-established it then it boils down to yes or no. The Earth was established to be a sphere and definitely not flat 2500 years ago. It has since been measured & mapped completely and in recent decades photographed from space. FE'er can't explain how the sun rises & sets.
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  4353.  @KangenAlec  A P900 digital camera is not strong optics.
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  4354.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how an organisation formed in 1958 has been influencing people for millennia. You all seem to think it plausible so why can’t any of you explain how?
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  4355.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer her point. Just another of you non-answers.
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  4356.  @KangenAlec  What’s your technique for identifying CGI? So many FE’ers seem able to do it but none of you can ever explain how? Do you want to try?
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  4357.  @Globeisahoax  More her screwed up mind.
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  4358.  @Globeishoaxx  You really need telling for the thousandth time?
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  4359. Exasperated by people who have professed to have thunk it all out, have perfectly working model of life, the universe and everything yet are totally unable to answer questions coherently.
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  4360. Put a stick in the ground and track the hourly change in direction of the shadow.
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  4361.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on any of you to demonstrate that.
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  4362.  @Globeisahoax  How hi tech does a telescope need to be before you will accept it exists?
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  4363. How do you think that works exactly? What do you think we do in labs?
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  4364. @Luke Skyballer He’s thonking for himself 😊
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  4365. How many pictures need to be taken to satisfy you a picture has been taken? Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC, collectively several shots per hour, all immediately downloadable.
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  4366.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting in your evidence for both. What’s taking so long?
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  4367.  @KangenAlec  You have no idea what magnification that would require, do you?
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  4368. What do you think would pull water off a planet?
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  4369. Explain the changing shadows on the moon. Explain the cyclically changing features on planets.
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  4370.  @benjitompkins6799  Poe's Law. Some of them make such claims.
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  4371. What valid arguments do you think they have?
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  4372.  @Globeisahoaxx  Though you can never say why NASA is wrong or acknowledge the many other sources.
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  4373. Science is evidence-based. Before anything is accepted it is has to be demonstrated to be accurate. “It just gotta be flat” is not evidence.
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  4374. “The 5 senses are the only key factors to what is or isn’t real” How do you sense radio-waves?
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  4375.  @Globeisahoax  Your demon is still blocking out the word telescope.
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  4376.  @StArShIpEnTeRpRiSe  Unfortunately they will simply avoid going high enough to see curvature of the horizon and claim they saw nothing but a flat horizon.
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  4377. One would hope it did say that since it was written a millenium after the Earth was deduced to be a sphere.
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  4378.  @KangenAlec  How would a GPS receiver pick up a signal from a fibre optic cable mid-ocean?
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  4379.  @KangenAlec  You don’t answer questions; you just come out with some other unsupportable claim. I’ve been asking you the same basic questions for months and you can’t answer me.
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  4380. Asking questions is one approach; you find out who doesn’t have the answers they claim to possess.
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  4381. The land, not the Earth. It was sea-level at the shores with hills & mountains inland.
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  4382.  @KangenAlec  Why would being in the centre make Earth flat?
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  4383.  @Globeishoaxx  Orders from whom? One of your super-secret cabals that only you know about?
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  4384. The video has been heavily edited; you are critiquing what Jubilee showed you.
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  4385.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4386.  @rerecmbraggs  "your eyes and your ability to read so you can find your destination" You mean read an accurate map that depends on the shape of the Earth being known? It's knowing the shape of the Earth, not the shape itself, that is instrumental in the development of technology. The rate of development is dependent on communications which requires accurate maps and, in terms of radio communication, an understanding of the placement of aerials to maximise transmission. Your dad did not need to personally know the Earth's shape to design & build a computer but some other people did to ensure he had the components on hand to so while much of his prior learning was dependent on long distance communications (not necessarily first hand).
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  4387. The search algorithms were altered to downgrade conspiracy theorists because they were peddling disinformation.
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  4388.  @KangenAlec  Interest in FE was never high and what support it had has plummeted since 2015. When the evidence is all in favour of a globe and FE'ers can't put together coherent explanations for why they think reality is wrong, only morons are buying into the claim.
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  4389. You can show FE’ers how to demonstrate the Earth’s curvature for themselves and they can’t come up with anything that backs a FE but they remain fully convinced they are right for....reasons...
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  4390.  @KangenAlec  You could start by producing evidence rather than empty rhetoric....
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  4391. Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, accurate worldwide maps; you can verify it for yourself with sticks & shadows. Did you critical thinking consider asking someone how it can be confirmed?
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  4392.  @Globeisahoax  Which is why you don't see a curved horizon but that's beyond you comprehension.
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  4393.  @KangenAlec  What’s your definition of pseudoscience?
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  4394. I pointed out that to one and he insisted their visibility proved a FE. They aren’t renowned for thinking the obvious through.
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  4395. Yet the KJV is known for being a little creative with its translation.
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  4396. Maurice Salaman Not having to be creative and not being creative are two different things. When you are translating colloquialisms and cultural references there’s no word by word translation; you need to be creative to convey the meaning to the reader.
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  4397.  @mauricesalaman7308  You mean that in changing words from the original Greek & Hebrew the KJV scholars were correcting mistakes?
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  4398.  @mauricesalaman7308  Changing some of the words as they did so.
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  4399. Any sufficiently advanced technology would be indistinguishable from magic?
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  4400.  @Leavemealone1670  Maybe I should have used an emoji because that was humour; what you said harks to Clarke's Law.
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  4401. Such as?
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  4402.  @samadams7224  We have these concepts called concentration & dosage that some people have such difficulty grasping. Your body can handle 0.3% CO2; raise it to 3% and you suffocate.
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  4403.  @samadams7224  Trees have a finite capacity for fixing CO2.
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  4404.  @samadams7224  Which still leaves you with the same X amount per tree, not an increased amount per tree.
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  4405.  @samadams7224  Finite land area.
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  4406. Because the question was answered millennia ago, everything done since has confirmed the answer and nothing has indicated any error in that answer.
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  4407.  @KangenAlec  Nice demonstration of uneducated.
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  4408.  @KangenAlec  You still haven;t said what magnification & camera resolution you think that requires.
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  4409.  @MediaBuster  Explain why you think Earth must have formed differently from every other planet. Lay out your Real Physics for scrutiny.
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  4410.  @MediaBuster  I already told you: observation of the formation of others planets. It is implausible that Earth would be formed some other way. There is a significant difference between possibility and probability. It is possible that the it was appendage-moulded from poop by the FSM who, with a click of a particular noodley appendage, transmuted the material into the Earth we know today but is not probable. That you can never rule out the that the FSM had a major appendage in the Earth's formation does not cast doubt on the expectation that Earth would have been formed like every other planet. If you think there is a plausible alternative then you need to produce it, not expect other people to disprove it for you. And, no, the inherent error in your reasoning about Earth's formation is not another subject.
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  4411. NASA was formed in 1958. That the Earth was a sphere was determined around 500BC. The shift from geocentric to heliocentric system occurred 500 years ago. Explain how you think NASA managed that.
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  4412. Len Xbot777z The ancient Greeks determined the Earth was a sphere c. 500BC and the invention of the telescope by Galileo demonstrated the rotundity of planets & moons. You still need to explain how you think NASA was responsible for those events. The sun & moon would be in the wrong directions and following different paths in your idea. The Earth’s axis titled and remains tilted in one direction while orbiting the sun (measurable through stellar parallax); at one point the northern hemisphere is tilted towards the sun, 6 months later the Southern Hemisphere is. The moon is bright and requires a very short exposure time; the stars are faint and require long exposure time. A camera can’t take a short & long exposure time simultaneously. You can either have a photo of the moon apparently without stars or one of stars washed out by the moon’s over-exposure.
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  4413. Len Xbot777z EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are collectively taking several such shots every hour, all immediately downloadable. Do none of you ever bother to check?
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  4414. Len Xbot777z Pictures from the moon were taken catch details of the moon surface. If you mean one of the Earth then the same applies; Earth is far brighter than any star in the sky. The floating book was taken while travelling at high velocity, not high acceleration.
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  4415. Len Xbot777z No acceleration then no g force.
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  4416. FE brains stop at the first possibility; it hasn’t occurred to most of them that there could be others.
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  4417.  @KangenAlec  If no FE’er has been there then what is their evidence for it?
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  4418. Make sure you aren’t confusing theory with hypothesis and, if it was you are thinking, a law is not a proved theory.
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  4419. The scientists dismissed them because they were demonstrably wrong. You don’t see curvature jumping out of a plane because you need to be far far higher for the measured size of the Earth. The fact we have worldwide travel & trade is indicative that we don’t have the wrong size.
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  4420.  @Globeisahoax  Once again: Foucault pendulum and laser gyroscopes. Still waiting for the nan with the answers to explain them. What are you afraid of?
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  4421. We’re open to new information; religion is not.
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  4422. I’m not aware of any civilisation that saw the Earth as dome shaped. There was a common assumption that the Earth was flat but that was just assumption. When actually measured it is indisputably spherical. None of the people who claim it could all be a huge mistake can offer any explanation how that could occur.
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  4423.  @EdwardTilley  More that homosexuality is less hidden and that the fertility rate has dropped because people are having smaller families. The former has not caused the latter. [Edit] I checked the figure for England. Fertility declined to current levels through the course of the 19th century rather than the 20th; homosexuality was illegal until the 1960's.
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  4424.  @EdwardTilley  "Diversity, Inclusion, and Female Equality" Changes which in Britain occurred after the end of the post-war baby boom. Starvation wage poverty was essentially ended in the 20th century and the birth rate did not increase.
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  4425.  @EdwardTilley  Reread what I wrote. Though poverty was falling through the first half of the 20th century, the big push was a consequence of the war and absolute poverty was seen as essentially ending in the 1960's, subsequently being replaced with the concept of relative poverty. The end of the post-war baby boom saw the fertility rates drop to what they had been at the beginning of the 20th century. Subsequent labour-related legislation (including minimum wage) has not altered that.
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  4426.  @EdwardTilley  You're describing relative poverty rather than absolute poverty. Even in the US the bulk of the drop in fertility rates occurred in the 19th century. You are essentially talking about the end of the drop.
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  4427.  @KangenAlec  Why does the FE sun only light up a specific area and why is that area so oddly shaped?
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  4428.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles - still waiting on your explanations for how they work on a FE.
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  4429. Not knowing how something can be possible is not evidence of an omnipotent deity, much less proof of such. Are scientists not religious? Some are, some aren't but none of us are going to claim the unknown is proof of a deity; that requires demonstrating that a deity was responsible.
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  4430.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you to say which clause forbids travel to Antarctica.
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  4431. A scientific theory is based on fact and is accepted as factual due to the extensive observation and experimentation supporting it and no evidence to disprove it. If you want to claim a scientific theory is incorrect then you need to come up with evidence to back that.
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  4432. What do you think they did wrong?
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  4433. Mostly "la la la la la la la la".
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  4434.  @MannyJha10  I was being critical of FE'ers inability to produce their evidence.
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  4435. Heresy!
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  4436.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his questions and raises yet more questions, none of which you have been able to answer.
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  4437.  @KangenAlec  The globe was demonstrated to be a globe 2500 years before NASA was formed. Still waiting on your explanation as to how they influenced the ancient Greeks.
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  4438. Knowledge isn’t static; it increases with time. Conclusions are drawn from the evidence available at that time. Conclusions can change as our knowledge increases.
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  4439.  @KangenAlec  Our eyes are passive receptors; they see whatever light reaches them regardless of how far it has travelled. There is no limit on how far you can.
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  4440. You can prove the Earth to be round with as little as sticks & shadows; not difficult. The clearly observable behaviour of the sun every day disproves FE’ers claims.
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  4441. ​ @azerhuseinbegovic1692  You think people should unquestioningly accept what was written by Bronze Age people 3000 to 4000 years ago rather than consider what modern people can discover for themselves? Leviticus describes crude diagnoses, treatments and quarantine; should that be the pinnacle of medical knowledge?
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  4442. No; he proposed space time curvature.
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  4443.  @chrisfuller1268  We have the same requirements as every other field; if you publish a paper it must contain the evidence. Where do you get the idea that we don’t?
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  4444.  @chrisfuller1268  You mean data depositories rather than a lack of data in publications. The latter is a claim frequently made by people who don't realise that scientific journals exist and make accusations of unsubstantiated claims from what they read in newspapers & magazines. We still do it the old-fashioned way: you ask for it.
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  4445.  @KangenAlec  It means you are all clueless about the maths for calculating how far you can see.
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  4446.  @ww3659  Details?
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  4447.  @Globeisahoax  There’s no top or bottom to a sphere when down is towards the centre of it. It’s been pointed put to you countless times. Still waiting on your numbers for the magnification & resolution required. I’ve been asking you for a year; are you having a problem answering?
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  4448. Americans seem disproportionately represented.
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  4449.  @onyekachidunu5904  Any gas. The individual particles have sufficient kinetic energy and too little mass.
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  4450.  @onyekachidunu5904  What reaction do you envisage occurring between mass and the mass's position? No mass gets suspended in mid-air without some means of propulsion; gravity means it falls. Gravity doesn't keep anything suspended.
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  4451.  @KangenAlec  The Antarctic Treaty can be read by anyone. Where are the clauses you keep alluding to?
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  4452.  @Globeisahoax  Only if you have sufficient elevation but I realise that more than one factor is beyond your comrehension.
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  4453. Hamdam Radio North is up by convention not because it represents the direction of gravity. Water flows from high to low elevations, elevation being the distance from the Earth’s centre.
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  4454.  @KangenAlec  Observable reality contradicts FE; you still haven’t explained how you think that is supportive. What’s the problem for the man with the answers?
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  4455.  @KangenAlec  You haven't explained how your water could alter the body's pH or why that would have any effect on cancer.
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  4456.  @bracesforme3  He's been avoiding answering for months.
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  4457. It was figured out around 500BC and a spherical Earth was the centrepoint of the Ptolemaic system in 100AD.
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  4458.  @ny-ny  Evidence?
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  4459.  @KangenAlec  Yet curiously interest has plummeted in the last few years.
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  4460.  @KangenAlec  You can’t answer any questions.
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  4461. Been done; SpaceX do it every time and they still don’t accept it.
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  4462.  @KangenAlec  None of you can provide this proof; all you ever come up with is variations "if I use the wrong maths I can see too far" and "why can't I see a curved horizon at a totally inadequate altitude".
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  4463.  @KangenAlec  Links don't show up on this webpage. Try explaining it instead.
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  4464. You can prove it yourself with sticks & shadows.
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  4465. He thinks Ali bought his degree.
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  4466.  @katjerouac  Degrees are supposed to be earned on merit not bought; he’s being dismissive of Ali’s intellect.
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  4467.  @Globeisahoaxx  We understand far mire about it than FE’ers.
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  4468.  @KangenAlec  Observable reality doesn’t match what Dubay says. You don’t find that a problem?
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  4469.  @Globeisahoax  Still no evidence of that…
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  4470.  @KangenAlec  Correct the evidence-backed statement with assertions that none of you explain or provide evidence for? What kind of basis do you need to be satisfied something is right?
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  4471. Explain two celestial poles.
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  4472.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why people are still alive after their “lethal injection”. You are exemplary of what Matthew is saying.
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  4473. They'll happily tell you that film photographs are all CGI (though they can never explain how they identify CGI) and that all photographs come from NASA, even at the height of the Cold War.
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  4474. @Nikola Jovanovic I understand that; they don't. The conflate Photoshop with CGI and can't grasp the computer power wasn't there for either in the 1960's. I've been asking them that for years. Answers so far: 1. They get a kick out of fooling you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by...means... 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. Believing the Earth is a globe gives them total mind control over you by....means....
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  4475.  @KangenAlec  Because none of you can produce valid evidence that the Earth is flat.
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  4476. The rotational axis wobbles (40,000 years per wobble) rather than the Earth itself wobbling like a jelly. Flight paths are usually straight lines between airports on a globe surface (appearing curved when projected onto a flat surface); they may vary to reduce time over water or avoid places like North Korea but there are no natural no-fly zones.
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  4477. Some are, some aren’t.
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  4478. Thus was supposed to be about trusting science rather than about FE; they used FE’ers since they are the epitome of denial.
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  4479. Unfortunately there are people who would hail the head in the dumpster as a guru on the grounds that he/she is seeing things clearly and not being controlled by the fashion industry.
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  4480.  @not-so-jucyworld3020  I'm more interested in the people who think the head in a dumpster is a guru.
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  4481. International travel & trade is a important for economic and for those you need accurate maps. The globe has such maps, the FE’ers can’t come up with a crude format but insist only their maps could work, tapping away on computers built from foreign components.
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  4482.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't said what magnification you think that requires.
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  4483. Do the ignorami keep saying; you seem to have great difficulty distinguishing conjecture from fact.
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  4484.  @yankeedoodle3355  What do you think we do in labs?
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  4485. Your computer works because you believe it will?
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  4486.  @Globeishoaxx  Why do you consider asking questions and supplying information to be trolling?
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  4487. In terms of accuracy, not much better than describing it as flat. Charitably it’s an example of big & round (3D).
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  4488. How does the existence of a training pool preclude space travel?
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  4489.  @treynuzum5815  SOMe photos have a heavy blue tinge and contain divers and cables while others are colourless, no cables, no divers and the people whose eyes are o wide open they can see out of the back of their head can't perceive a difference. Try answering my question.
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  4490.  @KangenAlec  Hiw did you measure the distance and why doesn’t its apparent change through the course of the day?
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  4491. Use the circumference for the calculation, not diameter. It’s about 1 degree per 90km.
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  4492. They deny observable reality not espouse a valid alternative opinion. What is there to respect exactly? Be polite, yes, but when everything they say is demonstrably wrong yet they keep repeating it then why should I respect them or their claims?
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  4493.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4494.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't supplied the evidence to back that claim. What's the delay?
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  4495.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude....
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  4496.  @graemebell3467  It can take hours for someone to see your comment; it's unlikely they'll answer immediately. In Kangen's case I doubt he will answer; he rarely does.
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  4497. It also makes reference to four corners.
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  4498.  @Globeisahoax  Motion of the un, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles, lunar eclipses - how many times does that need to be said to you before you are able to acknowledge it?
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  4499.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when down is towards the centre of the globe then there is no top or bottom.
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  4500. Unfortunately they can't handle the concept of more than one observer.
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  4501.  @KangenAlec  So why can you never explain?
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  4502.  @KangenAlec  Says the person who refuses to...
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  4503.  @Globehoax  Says the guy who claimed the FE image at 9:46 was a real photo.
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  4504. No, he said we no longer had the means up do so. Both Saturn Vs and Apollo were single use craft, were used and by definition can’t be used a second time.
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  4505. Look up WGS84, the shape mapped to the square meter.
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  4506.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  4507.  @KangenAlec Explain how NASA instructed Ptolemy. Produce some evidence.
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  4508. They’ve been educated; they are being willfully ignorant.
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  4509. Look up Pop Sci online for the article 10 ways you can prove earth is round (links don’t appear in this YT account). It gives you ways in which you can determine it yourself.
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  4510.  @XraynPR  The man with the answers can’t produce any answers.
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  4511.  @KangenAlec  Why can the sun only light up a restricted area? Why does it always appear circular?
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  4512. Deviation from a perfect sphere is minimal rather than significant; to most intents & purposes it is a sphere.
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  4513.  @rafaelpastorramos5997  The problem is that we get people who assume any deviation has to be sufficiently significant to be readily seen in a photo and start waving photos with less than a pixel deviation as "proof" they are being lied to.
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  4514.  @KangenAlec  Any evidence of a dome?
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  4515.  @KangenAlec  And yet nobody has flown over it.
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  4516. Look up “10 ways you can prove the Earth is round” on the Pop Sci website. You can do it with as little as sticks & shadows if you are prepared to think. I have yet to receive any explanation from FE’ers on how they think whichever bogeymen can manipulate shadows.
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  4517. True if something was a matter of arguable opinion. The Earth is s physical object, fully measured, mapped and photographed. The shape is not a matter of opinion. FE’ers claim they have evidence but it boils down to ignorance and incredulity.
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  4518. Cynicism rather than scepticism. The latter think it through and want to know the reasoning behind a statement while the former just assume it’s wrong and are not interested in evidence & reasoning.
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  4519.  @Globeisahoax  Produce your map showing this. You're always claiming the artist's impression at 9:47 is an accurate depiction of FE so where are the additional continents on that?
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  4520.  @KangenAlec  How do they remain aloft, how do they move, how do they change direction; You reckon you know the answer so actually try producing them. BE the courageous FE'er overturning science as we know it by being the first to produce this information. You all say you have it so what's the problem?
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  4521.  @Globeishoaxx  Discovered by FE’ers who won’t go that far south?
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  4522. The Earth has a physical, measurable shape and has been measured, mapped and photographed. There is no room for “middle ground”; that term refers to opinions, not facts.
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  4523.  @Jomesteer  She said it was a genius idea for channel & video; while that may be true for the channel, it isn't true for this video.
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  4524.  @kenzieshaye6818  I’m ratty because I am tired of dealing with people who espouse everything to be debatable. This is not an appropriate subject for this channel.
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  4525.  @KangenAlec  So what stops light travelling?
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  4526.  @KangenAlec  How do you observably get 24hrs sunlight in the Antarctic Circle? Why can’t any if you explain it when you boast of having the Real Understanding?
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  4527.  @KangenAlec  You haven’t explained at all. Why can’t see you see a light source millions of miles away? What stops the light? I have explained to you quite a number of times that the Earth’s axis is not “upright” but tilted away from the perpendicular to orbital direction. It does seem to be beyond your comprehension. You can’t get much simpler than a diagram consisting of a circle and several arrows but even that confuses FE’ers.
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  4528. Most FE'ers start waving a Bible at some point; FE and religious fundamentalism do seem well entwined, presumably due to the mentality that likes simple authoritative answers.
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  4529. That the Earth was a globe was deduced from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow - verifiable by anybody and unexplained by FE'ers.
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  4530.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  The moon phase would vary by location & time of day.
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  4531.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  It would depend on where you were standing on a FE relative to the lit face of the moon. In the northern hemisphere you would most of lit all the time but in the southern hemisphere it would run through a full cycle each day.
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  4532.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  Folks in the southern hemisphere would be outside the sun & moon circle; they would get to see the unlit side if the FE moon
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  4533.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  Quite; what aspect of FE ever does reflect reality.
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  4534.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how the sun rises & sets in a FE; try doing it.
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  4535.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, the circumference is 25,000 miles, not 25 miles.
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  4536.  @Globeisahoax  And in over a year you still haven't produced any evidence. What's taking you so long?
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  4537.  @Globeisahoax  He’s full of ignorance & incredulity. Like you he fails to provide real answers or apparently understand what he talking about. You’ve been declining to answer questions for well over a year and are still convince you possess what you can’t provide.
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  4538. I’ve repeatedly had to ask some people what they think we do in labs. No answers forthcoming.
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  4539. ​ @arrogantaries0034  "cgi" Do you have any technique for identifying CGI or are you yet another one who just "knows"? Do you know what CGI is? "u can show absolute proof " Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles, accurate maps; you can check all of these for yourself. The ancient Greeks deduced that the Earth was a sphere from the first three. Put a stick in the ground and the direction of the shadow can be observed to move by a constant 15 degrees/hour. With travel you can use the length of the shadow to triangulate your position relative to the sun and note that the results only fit a sphere. The sun sets below a horizon that makes it disappear from the bottom up, a phenomenon that can be observed around the world. Accurate maps enable you to get on a plane and fly directly to an airport on another continent. It is not necessary to direct view something to determine its shape. The Earth's circumference is 25,000 miles (0.0144 degrees/curvature per mile) and your eyes are 5-6 feet off the ground; you are so small compared to it that what little area you can see will appear essentially flat. Only with high enough elevation can you see far enough for curvature to be obvious. Nowhere are you going to observe the curvature associated with a 25 mile circumference because the Earth's circumference is 1000-fold larger. FE claims there are no horizons and that your sight is limited by everything disappearing into a gradual haze; you would be able to see several hundred miles from ground level (you can't) and that viewing distance would decrease with increasing altitude (it doesn't). The sun exhibits a constant size & speed through the course of the day and rises & sets on the horizon while FE'ers claim they vary and it becomes "too far away to be seen" without coming within 20 degrees of the observable horizon. That air pressure decreases with increasing altitude, something you can verify by climbing tall mountains. If the atmosphere was enclosed within a dome rather than held by gravity then there would be equal air pressure. None of them have ever produced any evidence for this dome, can't explain how meteorites pass through it or even agree whether the FE sun is inside or outside it. You can go on and on with FE'ers failing to provide any material evidence. They can't even put together the crudest of map using known distances between places. Meanwhile you can travel the world with accurate maps verifying the shape for yourself.
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  4540.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead; tilt of Earths axis and the relative position of sun, earth & moon.
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  4541. “I love salt” is opinion and personal while the shape of the Earth is a fact. FE videos are done by conmen or ignorami that fail to mention key facts and suppositions and use incorrect maths to persuade the gullible.
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  4542. They deny satellites exist, claiming it is all radio towers & balloons, even in the middle of the Pacific Ocean. They refuse to explain the ISS visibly passing overhead.
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  4543.  @krista3446  Jubilee is making the video (not the scientists) and they have heavily edited it, hence the rapid ending to each discussion
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  4544.  @krista3446  By cutting off the discussion before the FE'ers get hammered Jubilee attempts to maintain the notion that they are hosting a balanced discussion between two differing opinions.
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  4545.  @krista3446  It's not to make them right, just to try to present the issue as conflicting opinions rather than fact denial on the FE'ers part.
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  4546.  @krista3446  Definitely not. I'm pointing out that the scientists didn't present an argument in the edited version simply because Jubilee's editing was aimed at making each side appear equal so they could claim they were presenting the "middle ground" in a matter that was unequivocally ended 2500 years ago.
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  4547.  @daniel-js4eg  The tennis ball is attracted to you; since neither you nor the ball have much mass the attraction is too little to be apparent. Put another way, gravity is not a single strength force but dependent on the two masses and their separating distance.
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  4548.  @KangenAlec  Since you’re cutting & pasting many of your posts surely you can repost your comment?
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  4549.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his question.
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  4550.  @KangenAlec  I take it you have never read the Antarctic Treaty. Why not try doing it?
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  4551. You still haven’t explained how this control us supposed to work. For somebody who claims to have it all figured out you are presenting yourself as clueless.
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  4552.  @christophstory667  Conclusive evidence for a globe can be garnered from watching the sun & stars; there’s never any explanation how They are manipulating them.
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  4553.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his question.
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  4554.  @ny-ny  He was asked how NASA would benefit by keeping the globe and Kangen said the benefit was keep the globe alive. How does that answer the question? Explain how you think the media is controlling the movement of the sun. According to FE’ers it changes size & speed through the course of the day and doesn’t come within 20 degrees of the horizon. Recording how the media manipulates the sun do we totally different behaviour.
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  4555.  @KangenAlec  That doesn’t give any reason why they would lie about the shape of the Earth. Which side if the road do you drive on: as marked or the “wrong” side? Explain how mRNA would become spliced into DNA. Explain why you think all coronaviruses are the same virus.
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  4556.  @KangenAlec  If you have “the knowledge” then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  4557.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; if you they support the FE they contradict then the burden of proof is on you.
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  4558.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how the observable motion of the sun contradicting FE would support FE.
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  4559.  @KangenAlec  Why does everybody see the moon with the same face, size and shape regardless of where they are?
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  4560.  @KangenAlec  WHy would it be visible in only part when there is nothing blocking it. If it is local then then there should be marked changes in its size; why isn't there?
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  4561.  @athena6149  It is why schools include (or should include) practicals in the science classes so you can see for yourself that what is taught works.
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  4562.  @brooklynwilliams2183  We're talking about two very different shapes, one of which is a fact and proven in multiple ways, the other dependent on ignorance & incredulity; there isn't going to be a middle ground.
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  4563.  @Globeisahoax  Each time I've asked you what magnification & resolution you think that requires and all I get is crickets. If you;ve thought it all through then why can't you answer any questions?
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  4564.  @simona-lein9497  The moon’s tangential motion keeps it in orbit as the two factors balance out. You’re referring to how tidal locking occurs.
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  4565. I'm not aware of any that rely or relied upon the Earth being any particular shape. The people of the day made various assumptions and those assumptions are reflected in everything they wrote.
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  4566. The OT was written c. 3000 years ago.
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  4567.  @AnuragSingh-bm9oq  Reread the last sentence of your OP.
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  4568. Evidence? You can figure out the Earth’s shape yourself from motion of the sun, angles to Polaris, horizons and two celestial poles. Explain how any of that can be redacted or hidden.
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  4569. You can triangulate the distance to the sun using sticks & shadows; a minimum of three sticks (well spaced geographically) distinguishes between round & flat.
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  4570. There is a difference between might be lying and are lying. In terms If Earth being a sphere, that was determined 2500 years before NASA was created; what NASA says is irrelevant to this discussion.
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  4571.  @KangenAlec  Because you can’t explain anything of what you think the latter is.
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  4572.  @KangenAlec  Because people have been looking at them through telescopes for centuries and watching them revolve. The limitations of your P900 is not evidence.
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  4573.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on any of your evidence…
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  4574.  @Globeishoax  You can see the ISS passing overhead. Still waiting on your explanation how a balloon can stay aloft for 20 years, be fueled fir 20 years and be totally unaffected by weather. When are e going to tell us your explanation that you are supposedly so eager to tell? You’ve had a year! What’s taking you so long?
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  4575. They have problems acknowledging they exist today.
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  4576. Covers FE comments nicely.
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  4577. Yes, no, just a light - it depends on which one you ask.
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  4578.  @KangenAlec  If they are lethal injections then why aren’t vaccinated people dying?
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  4579.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  4580.  @KangenAlec  Those would the secret lands totally invisible to the planes flying across them daily?
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  4581.  @Globeisahoax  Which was a term added in the King James Version in the 17th century AD.
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  4582.  @Globeisahoax  A normal person can measure the distance to the sun; FE'ers have yet to get their heads around the concept of measurement.
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  4583. You're confusing elevation with curvature. Assuming you are being truthful about working with surveyors, construction projects don't cover enough distance to require compensating for curvature. If you mean something like railway lines then they simply need to ensure the correct placement of each rail section, not the entire line.
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  4584.  @tonyornelas9374  Because the pipe was laid section by very short section, not one piece. All they had to do was check that each section was horizontal (or at the desired angle) at that particular spot. There was no need for them to measure the curvature along the entire length just to lay a single section at a time. With 25,000 miles spanning 360 degrees there is no significant deviation in angle between sections; the local terrain would create far more problems. This is sheer practicality. Similar with the Suez Canal; each individual section needed to be horizontal and the very slight angle difference between each section was miniscule compare to compensating for the local terrain. You're confusing construction surveyors with land surveyors. The former doesn't have to be concerned with curvature because they work over too short a distance; the latter have to be concerned because they are measuring in miles, not feet (km rather than m if you prefer).
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  4585.  @tonyornelas9374  What don't you understand exactly? Do you think 100 miles has to be measured by land surveyors for curvature to lay a 100ft length of pipe? If so, then why?
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  4586. The video is heavily edited since the flow of evidence was one way.
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  4587.  @KangenAlec  Would you accept if he did?
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  4588.  @Globeishoax  Yet again doofus: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses.
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  4589.  @gacha4life427  Explain how the points I listed could work on a FE.
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  4590.  @gacha4life427  ehy can none of the people professing to be awake explain anything? How difficult can it be?
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  4591. In Newtonian physics a direct force acting between any two bodies. In relativity a mass generates a gravitational field that distorts space-time, the resulting curvature affecting the path of a moving object (all objects being in motion). In the absence of extremely high masses and/or velocities the relativistic model appears Newtonian and is a good deal easier to visualise.
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  4592.  @Globeisahoax  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses always having a circular shadow. You still haven’t explained how all that us possible in a FE. Get your finger out and do it or stop whining.
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  4593.  @lllllllllll1164  No, no, no; its a NASA hologram that they have been running since the Stone Age. It possible the moon is real and covered in little robits that turn LED lights on & off just to fool us into thinking phases & eclipses occur 😊
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  4594.  @Globeisahoax  Which is an azimuthal projection of the globe and if it had a fixed scale it would contradict his experience.
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  4595.  @DanielThomas-jn5iy  He doesn’t answer questions, just professes to know the answers.
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  4596.  @KangenAlec  You haven’t explained: you just said a sun positioned to illuminate all of the disc only lights part but you have no reason for why it only lights part. None of you ever do; none if you are capable of seeing the contradiction.
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  4597.  @KangenAlec  "Benefits is for people, who created this hoax" What benefit would that be? Still economic control of inaccessible lands beyond your ice-wall, dome & aurora coriolis?
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  4598.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on FE’ers to demonstrate anything wrong with the globe. All you is run around yelling “Hoax! Hoax!”.
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  4599.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4600. That the Earth was a sphere was deduced about 500BC, after the OT was written and before the NT. That is why their quotes come from the OT. The flag was fastened to the pole on one side and had a horizontal beam along the top to keep spread. That left most of the flag to swing freely. Without air to reduce the momentum the motion from mounting the flag caused the flag to sway for quite a while.
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  4601. Any sign of the Great Pumpkin?
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  4602.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on how you measured the distance to the sun. What’s keeping you?
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  4603.  @Globeisahoax  Why would asking you to produce the evidence you claim to possess be harassment? You keep saying how keen you are to educate people so why are you so reluctant to answer questions?
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  4604.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on you evidence for the sun being small & local. Motion of the the stars, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. Indicative if a globe and you still haven’t explained why you think they indicate a FE.
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  4605.  @Globeisahoax  Explain where ivermectin is used in ultrasound.
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  4606.  @Globeisahoax  Yoy still haven’t explained how the southern hemisphere summer would have longer days rather than shorter ones you predict. What’s taking you so long?
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  4607.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is a globe map. How many times do you need to have that pointed out to you?
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  4608.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4609.  @Globeisahoax  Yet afain BBC doofus it’s 23.4 degrees and there is no top & bottom. You are do slow to understand the simplest of things.
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  4610. What do you think we do in labs?
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  4611. Scientific theories are built on facts; they are accepted as factual due to the extent of the evidence from observation and experimentation. They are not hunches or guesses; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  4612.  @michaelharmon7052  That is the original meaning; the vernacular meaning has altered, usurping hypothesis. You asked for clarification on the meaning in this context and I provided it. Do you find the terrific to be terrifying?
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  4613. They consider espousing a different opinion to be critical thinking, not actually thinking critically. Yes, being able to think critically is important but it only works well if you actually practice it. Do you abide by the road markings & signs?
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  4614.  @Richard-5464  The bulk of government deals with the mundanities, maintaining roads being one of such. I’m curious how far some people are willing to take their sweeping claims of deception. Would they ignore a “bridge out” sign? Do they traffic lights have a different meaning to what we’re all told?
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  4615.  @Globeisahoax  Why cantw any of you answer questions or provide evidence?
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  4616. They may well have done but it appears to have been heavily edited with each discussion cutting out early.
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  4617. They may well have done but it appears to have been heavily edited with each discussion cutting out early.
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  4618.  @KangenAlec  Echo chambers. Interest has plummeted in the last few years.
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  4619.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who can't explain anything or produce evidence.
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  4620. Grief; adhering to her husband’s belief is a way of keeping him “alive”.
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  4621. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles, all things you can verify for yourself.
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  4622. The proper usage is the belief that science can answer every question, including those outside the realm of science. The usage here is the incorrect belief that scientists don’t check anything they read in textbooks, that we take what is written in faith. The people who use the term seem unable to make a connection between scientists and labs.
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  4623.  @KangenAlec  What makes you think they aren't?
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  4624.  @Globeisahoax  There’s this concept called measurement…
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  4625.  @lytonug5869  The deeper you go the hotter it gets, drill bits wear out through friction & heat and need to be replaced (they are drilling towards magma). The record is about 8 miles.
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  4626. No; he would be dismissed as bought or fooled.
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  4627.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on you to produce any evidence of that.
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  4628. As you can see GiaH, the self-proclaimed FE expert, bends over backwards to not answer your questions.
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  4629. A sense of him being alive.
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  4630.  @Globeishoaxx  You’ve never explained why not. Want to try now?
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  4631.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, YT has not censored anything, just changed the search algorithms to downgrade misinformation, and asking you to provide the answers you profess to be eager to share is not trolling you.
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  4632. To be precise, only pics he took.
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  4633. What do you think we do in labs?
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  4634. The waters preceded the light.
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  4635. A good proportion of FE’ers are religious people; it is not implying that religious people believe the Earth is flat.
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  4636.  @titancodm1098  No religion I’m aware of believes that the Earth is flat not ate all FE’ers religious but a good proportion of FE’ers rely on the Bible as their main source of information.
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  4637.  @titancodm1098  The Ptolemaic geocentric system was the accepted model: a spherical Earth around which everything orbited.
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  4638.  @titancodm1098  You spoke of western cultures so I answered that.
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  4639. What’s your technique for identifying Photoshop? You can deduce the shape of the Earth from the personal observation ofthe motion of the sun, horizons, stars and eclipses; we’re still waiting on explanations for how They manipulate reality.
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  4640. What do you understand by critical thinking?
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  4641. Orchestrated as in a small group of people imposing a "consensus" on the populace rather than orchestrated as in the consensus being the general agreement of the populace.
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  4642.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why it has to be Hubble. You deny the ISS camera, you deny the SkyTV camera, you deny photographs from weather satellites so whats special about Hubble?
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  4643. Satellites are not limited to 100,000ft; we have many in geostationary orbit and a few in Lagrange points. Lasers spread with distance and consequently the return signal from reflectors becomes weaker with increasing distance. The moon pretty much is the limit for that approach. Scientific theories don’t change at all frequently; hypotheses do, which get referred to as theories in the vernacular sense rather than the scientific meaning.
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  4644.  @1975reispedro1  You need to able to clearly distinguish where theory is used in the scientific sense and where in the vernacular sense. Even in conversations between scientists theory can be used in the vernacular sense; as long as both understand what is being referred to then the meaning is clear. The universe was measurably expanding. The question was whether it would expand forever or eventually reverse; the latter was favoured since it would mean a cyclical process. I think that recent research has indicated there is insufficient mass to slow the expansion sufficiently to lead to a reversal.
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  4645. The sun has about a 1000 times the mass of Jupiter; they are not comparable in size. The sheer mass of the sun is why it has priority. You realise that we can measure the distance to the other planets? That the closest Venus comes to Earth is 42 million km, over a 1000 times further away than geocentric orbit? Do you have a problem understanding scale? "the ocean trickles down the side to the abyss of space" And somehow falls into space without leaving the planet? You do realise it is possible to travel all around the world?
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  4646.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4647.  @yourmission4476  Nobody is going to be imprisoned for calculating maths for a geocentric universe or a FE. The problem is people assiduously avoiding doing so while claiming it to be possible.
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  4648. You don’t develop a scientific hypothesis by starting with a conclusion and ignoring counter-indicative evidence.
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  4649. The shape of the world was settled 2500 years ago from the motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles. The world has since been fully mapped, fully measured (see WGS84) and repeatedly photographed (more taken every hour). In the 19th century Rowbotham went on an anti-science religious bender and today’s FE cretins are the residue of that.
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  4650. Do you have a picture of the chariot carrying the sun?
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  4651.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again doofus - when down is towards the centre of the globe then there is no top & bottom. Very simple concept, just beyond the grasp of your limited mind.
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  4652.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence to back any of that.
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  4653.  @snowys7667  That would require actually looking for evidence and most of them never think to do that. This guy denies the existence of telescopes.
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  4654.  @feeljesusinyou2534  Level=/= flat and the verses refer to elevation, not curvature.
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  4655.  @KangenAlec  Are comments allowed or will they be deleted?
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  4656. Is a mouse trap biological?
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  4657. As Kangen says, they can’t. The best they ever come up with is light only being capable of travelling a set but highly variable distance and stopping for no reason in such a way that just happens to give the impression of one side of a globe being lit.
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  4658.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how you think a balloon would stay aloft for 20+ years, be powered and be totally unaffected by the weather.
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  4659.  @KangenAlec  Which is well-substantiated by evidence. Are you waving a Bible as proof?
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  4660. Open minded us the willingness to listen to and consider alternatives ideas. They key word is consider. It does not mean the alternative ideas have validity merely because they are alternatives; when consideration shows they are crap it is not close-minded to say so.
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  4661.  @Globeisahoax  Where are they and who’s counting?
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  4662. It’s not among our prime sources of information. It is useful as a means to send information; that was it’s primary purpose.
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  4663.  @KangenAlec  What prevents the sun from lighting up the whole FE? What restricts the light? How does the sun rise & set?
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  4664. "Petroleum has been found beneath miles of solid rock that existed before any life was present on this planet" Evidence?
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  4665.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how observable reality contradicting FE supports FE.
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  4666.  @dud3man6969  The deepest dinosaur fossil was that deep. The Kola Borehole found older fossils 4km down. Since that is the deepest hole and reached only 7km it is unlikely that anybody has drilled for oil at 15km. Tectonic plates are not static, depth has no meaning in determining the age of a fossil; the layer any given fossil (or oil) is within can be pushed up or down over time. There is no reason why igneous rock can't form over sedimentary rock that contains fossils.
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  4667.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained why the FE sun’s angular diameter and angular velocity don’t vary.
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  4668.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, accurate world wide maps, satellites, photos….
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  4669. The video has been heavily edited to keep the appearance of a balanced discussion.
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  4670.  @KangenAlec  No answers then?
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  4671.  @KangenAlec  What are these questions? Would you listen to the answers?
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  4672. @Luke Skyballer Mercator.
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  4673. Insisting on evidence is not close minded; refusing to listen to mainstream media is.
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  4674.  @KangenAlec  How many observers are there on Earth?
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  4675. The search algorithms were altered to downplay disinformation. Unless the authors actively removed them then the videos are still there.
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  4676. "i speak strong words" Hardly; you're spouting ignorance about science.
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  4677.  @agirlbelngingtthewild9625  You are assuming that I'm angry and/or offended; that assumption fits with your desired belief rather than anything I said. Science is based on fact, not belief; that you don't wish to accept anything that goes against your religious beliefs does not invalidate the evidence.
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  4678.  @agirlbelngingtthewild9625  People are likely to express irritation when you assume others are atheist simply because they don’t agree with your religious outlook and use the accusation of atheism to dismiss what you don’t want to hear. Science determines how the universe came to be; nobody is claiming science created the universe. It’s methodology, not an entity.
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  4679.  @Globeisahoax  If you look at the Gleason map you can be see that it clearly states that it is an azimuthal projection.
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  4680.  @Globeisahoax  You mean you are clueless about your own constitution.
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  4681.  @KangenAlec  The ISS is clearly visible from ground level.
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  4682.  @KangenAlec  A wall and a dome? Has anybody seen either?
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  4683.  @Globeisahoax  FE’ers can’t explain anything and your “evidence” is ignorance & incredulity.
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  4684. It was written in Hebrew not English; the language lacked specific words to distinguish circle from sphere.
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  4685. How do you see behind the sun?
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  4686. It refers to the circular view from a high elevation, not the shape of the Earth.
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  4687.  @KangenAlec  If the sun is local then why doesn't it change in apparent size through the course of the day?
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  4688.  @KangenAlec  How does that optical illusion work exactly? How does it modify the sun's apparent velocity & diameter? How does it work so consistently regardless of atmospheric conditions?
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  4689. Outlier? It was assumed the Earth was flat; they didn’t know that for a fact. The ancient Greeks actually demonstrated otherwise.
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  4690.  @stefanopatton1809  I'm used to using outlier in terms of statistics; sounded odd when I read it.
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  4691.  @AnnabelLee01  Kangen thinks questions and being asked for evidence is harassment.
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  4692.  @Globeisahoax  The Gleason is an azimuthal globe projection and is not used by shipping.
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  4693. It’s possible you could be carried off by aliens who transfer your consciousness into a different body they’ve grown and place you back in your bed none the wiser until you get up but it’s not a probable event. 😊
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  4694.  @uglyraff9313  You wouldn't have to prove that aliens exist (or that they possess the requisite technology) for aliens to exist or be able to do that. If someone wants to claim it as a realistic scenario then they are obliged to come up with said evidence. If something isn't impossible then the possibility exists, however remote.
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  4695.  @uglyraff9313  Would the aliens exist before we had evidence of their existence?
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  4696.  @uglyraff9313  Trees have existed, been falling and generating acoustic waves long before man existed 😊
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  4697.  @uglyraff9313  Hence the appended emoji.
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  4698.  @Globeishoaxx  Motion of ghe sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles - all indicative the Earth is a globe, all incompatible with a FE and all of which you ignore.
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  4699. Long distance navigation, the direction of gravity, no satellites.
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  4700.  @unclesalty7778  A butterfly has wings and the ocean does not. Weight is the result of gravity acting in mass; the butterfly does not have the same mass as an ocean. Its wings need only lift its own weight. That gravity exists is proven; how gravity works is still being deduced. You don’t need to know the mechanism for it to work. Like all flags the UN flag is flat and the logo depicts the member countries.
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  4701.  @unclesalty7778  You need to be far higher than the top of your flat to see curvature (the Earth is 25,000 miles in circumference, not250). You need to pay more attention to the sun & stars before making such assertions.
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  4702. And very different distances between two points. The globe matches what us measured, the FE does not.
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  4703.  @KangenAlec  Observation of the sun, shape of the shadow in a lunar eclipse, the existence of horizons and the ability & willingness to actually think. You still haven't explained why the sun doesn't behave as you say it should.
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  4704. Scientific theory: a comprehensive explanation for a natural phenomenon that is well substantiated by extensive experimentation and observation. It is not a hunch or guess; that is the vernacular meaning of theory.
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  4705.  @jasoncutts9866  Not knowing how something can occur and knowing a specific entity caused it are two different things. We didn’t know how lightning was caused until a few centuries ago; was God hurling thunderbolts until that point? Four corners is a figurative description, not a literal one. It was recognised different wind patterns related to weather.
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  4706. Try Professor Dave.
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  4707. Most FE’ers appear religious but people generally don’t assume religious people are FE’ers.
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  4708.  @Globeisahoax  We’ve been showing you repeatedly for over a year; you have yet to answer any questions.
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  4709.  @Globeisahoax  Depends on the observers elevation. You realise that the height of the ship is negligible compared to the Earth’s radius?
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  4710.  @Khan-_-Art1st  They’re Thinkers; they have a lot to say about how much they’ve cogitated but in actuality their thinking is so shallow they haven’t asked the obvious, basic questions. Generally they get as far as “I don’t know how…” and seize upon anything antiestablishment to feel “in the know”.
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  4711.  @KangenAlec  Why can it only illuminate one area? What blocks the light?
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  4712.  @Globeisahoax  How did you measure the distance to the other planets? "Just gotta be" or by eyeballing?
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  4713. We have abundant fossils indicating such transition. It does not require fossils that have chicken’s head on a lizard or similar.
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  4714. No.
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  4715.  @marwa._.moonlight4786  The Hebrew word doesn’t distinguish between circle and globe; it’s dependent on the context. Here it refers to the circular view from a high place.
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  4716.  @marwa._.moonlight4786  They weren’t; the objection was the move from geocentric to heliocentric system since they saw it as disagreeing with man’s central place in the universe. That the Earth was a sphere was accepted before the Church existed.
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  4717.  @marwa._.moonlight4786  It was never disputed. The Greek philosophers determined it was a sphere c 500 BC and a sphere was the centre point of the Ptolemaic system c 100AD.
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  4718.  @marwa._.moonlight4786  Copernicus noted that the a heliocentric system was less complex than than the existing geocentric model (Ptolemaic); that the Earth was spherical was long accepted and part of both models. Galileo got into trouble a century later; his use of the telescope for astronomy showed the existence of moon around other planets, demonstrating rather than suggesting that the universe didn't revolve around the Earth.
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  4719.  @KangenAlec  "the bible mention firmament" The King James Version and only the KJV mentions firmament; neither King James nor his contemporaries wrote the Bible.
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  4720.  @marwa._.moonlight4786  With the politics of the time he was seen as undermining the Church's authority.
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  4721. Open a comprehensive dictionary and look at the multiple meanings of level.
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  4722. Dubay & Sargent can be readily dubunked with a little thought.
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  4723.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  You were saying before that there was no progress. Which is it? You only want us to bother you with progress when absolutely everything is known or you think that there’s so little to be known that we should be able to have everything in the universe figured in a few years work?
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  4724.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  Tell what the optimal concentration and exposure time is for dexamethasone to activate the Xist gene in mesenchymal stem cells.
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  4725.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  So you opened your mind and found your ignorance and prejudice but not the answer to the question?
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  4726.  @siddheshsubramanian1331  Explain how absweting the wyestion is making the planet uninhabitable. The answer isn’t in the books; that is the immediate point of scientific research. You dud saying that opening your mind provides you with answers. You don’t seem very well informed.
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  4727.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: the book of Enoch wasn't included when the Bible was first compiled, centuries before the Vatican came into existence.
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  4728.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles....
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  4729. One would hope so; the Koran was written a millenium after the Earth was deduced to be a globe.
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  4730.  @jaden4662  Read Mark Stone's comment.
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  4731. The 4th is opinion not fact. The truly intelligent would not confuse the two.
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  4732.  @redpilledape5633  You're confusing sex with gender; the former is biological, the latter a social construct.
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  4733.  @redpilledape5633  I'm a scientist; I understand the importance of accurate facts and definitions when formulating ideas. You can't use sex and gender interchangeably when they have differing definitions.
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  4734.  @KangenAlec  You need provide evidence that the earth is flat, not links to gurus or bluster about observable reality being different from the reality that we observe.
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  4735. When the FE is demonstrably wrong it is not scientific to regard it as reality.
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  4736. Explain how the sun rises & sets and maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day.
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  4737.  @tezlatower2362  Their minds don't think that far.
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  4738.  @Globeisahoax  The key word being “teen” but I know it goes over your head?
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  4739. Time. It is not something that is apparent between generations but over the course of millions of years.
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  4740.  @gunganeseegorgian8042  A lot of nicely presented ignorance & incredulity fir the gullible masses who then claim enlightened knowledge but can’t answer anything.
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  4741.  @KangenAlec  You can’t actually come up with evidence to back that or answer questions of which you profess great understanding.
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  4742.  @KangenAlec  If you don’t have any understanding of the subject then why are you so convinced it’s right?
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  4743.  @KangenAlec  How?
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  4744. Usually one of: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent god. 3. To take economic advantage of inaccessible lands outside of their impenetrable dome.
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  4745.  @MrMarco855  It doesn’t occur to you that Jubilee could be misleading you? A FE was disproven millenia ago: motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Nothing can be proven absolutely; it does not mean there is any significant doubt about what has been concluded. FE’ers “see too far” because they can’t comprehend that elevation plays a role and they insist on using the wrong maths, no matter how many times it is explained to them.
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  4746.  @Globeisahoax  Then you should have no problem giving the answer, should you? Why do all the FE’ers who talk about their “profound understanding” keep saying “Ask someone else.”?
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  4747. Why would there be need to be a medium to generate motion? What do you expect gravity to look like?
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  4748.  @Globeisahoax  Why the FE’er refrain “ask somebody else”? Why can’t any of you answer questions for yourselves?
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  4749.  @Cole_pantier  The photos are of the edge of the ice shelf not the insurmountable ice wall that is supposed to be a few hundred miles inland. "It's big and it's icy" is where their thinking stops.
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  4750.  @KangenAlec  You don't need to use rockets to prove it; you have a very limited imagination.
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  4751. You need to be smarter to earn a PhD. What exactly do you think we do?
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  4752.  @KangenAlec  Sputnik orbited for months with a traceable signal and you think it smashed against a dome on the way up? Where was the signal coming from?
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  4753. Anybody can post a video on Youtube saying practically whatever they wish and claiming what ever expertise they feel like. Unless you have the means to distinguish between the drivel and the knowledgeable surfing Youtube is not a reliable way to gain information.
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  4754.  @Globeisahoax  And we are still waiting on your evidence backing those claims….
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  4755. 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god. 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the insurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. To establish complete mind control over you. No explanation how 2, 3 & 4 would work or why someone would pour money into 1.
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  4756.  @lightningboltsniper1461  For #1? Never got an answer for that; it's why #2, #3 & #4 starting appearing as the motive though The They still don't gain in any way.
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  4757.  @lightningboltsniper1461  I'm relaying the answers that FE'ers have coughed up, not providing an explanation or justification for them. That the assertions don't actually answer the question as to how someone would gain is their shortcoming.
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  4758.  @lightningboltsniper1461  Aren’t we all. Take it up with a flat earther.
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  4759.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t provided any evidence…
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  4760. That you can’t understand the answer does not mean it isn’t a straight answer.
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  4761.  @spoony8506  Some do, some don’t; all will have an innate bias since no matter they neutral they try to be there will be unintentional bias in who gets hired.
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  4762.  @Globeishoax  You still haven’t provided any evidence. You’ve had over a year to amaze us; what’s taking you do long?
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  4763.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t produced any evidence to support your claims and you’ve evidence for a globe presented to you again and again and again and again.....
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  4764.  @KangenAlec  Observable reality is that the sun & moon move completely differently to what you say. What’s so difficult to explain?
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  4765. What do you think we do in labs?
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  4766. Why does the sun observably follow a different path to that predicted by FE?
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  4767. Example? And, no, “I don’t see how…” is not an argument.
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  4768.  Muhammad bagas lutfi Muhammad bagas lutfi  He hasn’t done anything to try measuring the distance just assumed them to be local simply because he can see them. He has no explanation how triangulation places them as distant objects.
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  4769. Dedication.
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  4770.  @KangenAlec  Do you really need to me to tell you yet again?
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  4771. We’ve known the shape for over 2000 years. We have accurate maps enabling world travel & trade. You get in a plane on one continent and it can fly direct to an airport on another continent. FE’ers can’t even come up with a working map.
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  4772. Saturn’s moons rather than Saturn itself. The staff was infiltrated by penguins who placed mini-projectors inside his telescopes.
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  4773.  @vincedbzgotenks  Atmospheric pressure decreases with increasing altitude, resulting in decreasing density with increasing altitude. Light is refracted as it moves between media with different densities; that includes it’s movement through decreasing atmospheric density.
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  4774.  @KangenAlec  What power magnification do you think that requires?
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  4775.  @MagnightGuy  Good luck getting an informative answer....
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  4776.  @Globeisahoax  It sounds like it to gullible folks like yourself; anybody with half a brain can see he doesn't.
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  4777. Geodesy (measuring the shape of the Earth) is scientifically ongoing in the sense that the exact shape has impact on how exact maps & GPS are and thus the efficiency of travel & trade. It also offers some insight on how planets form. No money is being wasted looking into something that was disproven millenia ago.
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  4778.  @KangenAlec  And what do you think the cause is? Why do you think it isn’t a disease in itself?
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  4779.  @planixi  What is smart shielding?
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  4780.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude...
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  4781.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification and camera resolution you think that requires.
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  4782.  @nectarcloud7769  Kangen is either a troll or a hardcore conspiracy theorist. He hasn’t thought through the practicality of taking such pictures, just think it suspicious that they haven’t been taken.
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  4783. What do you think we do in labs?
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  4784. Everything gets tested in science not unquestioningly accepted as gospel truth; it's why we have labs.
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  4785.  @jem5771  He was replying to Globe is a Hoax (who does makes similar comments to your quote).
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  4786.  @Globeisahoax  Definitely back to denying telescopes exist.
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  4787.  @KangenAlec  There's this simple diagram that consists of nothing more than a circle and several radial arrows and yet is beyond the comprehension of FE'ers....
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  4788.  @KangenAlec  How would it give them power & control?
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  4789.  @Globeisahoax  If you have nothing to hide then why do you refuse to produce any evidence?
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  4790.  @KangenAlec  23.4 =/= 66.6.
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  4791.  @SamSam-ir7ux  Numbers are not his forte.
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  4792. ?
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  4793.  @KangenAlec  The lake in questions is cresecent-shaped and encircled by mountains. You still haven't explained how anybody could look along the length of it. Why can none of you zoom the set sun back into view if it is just a matter of optics?
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  4794.  @KangenAlec  You think you are; there is a difference.
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  4795.  @prcvl  Red Hot Chili Peppers; apparently a line in a wacky song is a secret message from, presumably, the Anti-They to get weed-smokers to think.
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  4796.  @KangenAlec  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  4797.  @KangenAlec  FE'ers can't understand a diagram that consists of a circle and several arrows.
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  4798.  @KangenAlec  If it was easy to explain you would have been able to do it. Your gurus are doing exactly what the OP described.
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  4799. Why does there need to be a purpose for life to come into existence? Abiogenesis is science, not scientism. It's an incremental process, not spontaneous generation. The relevant research is to determine the reasons for each step occurring. "only a fool believes the other things that spew forth from the same Scientism" Only fools think that is a valid argument, e.g., the three FE'ers in the video.
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  4800.  @Globeisahoax  Says the guy who can't answer any questions or explain anything....
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  4801.  @Globeisahoax  Explain why the lit area is so misshapen. Just how difficult is it for you to do?
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  4802. 1. The <insert bogeymen> get a kick out of fooling us. 2. It hides an omnipotent god by....means.... 3. The <insert bogeymen> can take economic advantage of the lands beyond the impenetrable dome, insurmountable ice wall etc 4. Believing in a globe gives the <insert bogeymen> total mind control over you because...reasons... (You did ask 😊)
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  4803.  @KangenAlec  What does the Federal Reserve have to do with FE exactly?
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  4804. Let me guess - the reply YT won’t let me read is Globe us a Hoax telling you to look at the artist’s impression of a FE for how the FE sun works but with no explanation whatsoever as to how the lit area is limited & misshapen?
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  4805.  @Globeishoax  ​ Cosmology had abundant evidence; that you don't want to know does not magically nullify it. mean while FE'ers boast about how much evidence but none of you (yourself included) are willing to produce it. That the Earth is globe can be verified by anybody; your mysterious Elite don't have the power to manipulate the sun & stars. If you think they do then you need to produce evidence to back that. ' Not knowing the difference between the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory is your willful ignorance. None of you have ever explained how density could act as force or why in a consistent direction; I've been asking you for over a year and you've never replied other than pouting and stamping your foot.
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  4806. Space is a lot, lot bigger than you’re envisaging. It’s not a crowded highway.
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  4807.  @KangenAlec  Yiu still haven’t explained how NASA has influenced people for thousands of years.
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  4808. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude and two celestial poles; thats how it was originally deduced. Today it has been fully mapped, measured and photographed. FE’ers can’t explain any of it and produce only ignorance & incredulity as “evidence”.
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  4809.  @KangenAlec  What magnification & camera resolution do you think is required?
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  4810. Supply the evidence. Give your elevation and that of the areas you can see. So many of you claim to see such distances but none of you are willing to supply the details.
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  4811. Frustration with people who demand but won't accept evidence and who are convinced their ignorance means they have incredible insight on a subject.
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  4812.  @Globeisahoax  Like yourself, who can't provide any evidence or answer any questions?
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  4813.  @KangenAlec  Then why haven’t we reached the dome?
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  4814. Some deny telescopes exist, others claim that all you see are lights.
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  4815. Experiments are usually done in the classroom/lab within an hour or so. Proving the Earth to be a globe requires widespread collaboration for measurements (or a lot of travel if you want to do it personally). Since it was determined 2500 years ago and the world is completely mapped with intercontinental shipping & flights and satellite TV, it's not exactly a burning priority. I suggest you try the PopSci website and "10 ways you can prove the Earth is round".
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  4816.  @KangenAlec  Still a globe. No explanation yet for why the sun doesn’t behave as FE’ers predict?
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  4817.  @KangenAlec  Still no evidence from you that the Earth is flat....
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  4818.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4819.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained why the lit area wiuld be limited & misshapen. You’ve had over a year to explain something; get your finger out and do it.
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  4820. So what’s your evidence?
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  4821.  @tommysalami6064  I replied to the OP; YT notified you that I has posted a comment.
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  4822.  @KangenAlec  How do you have two opposite rotations simultaneously? Why aren’t all the stars visible at night?
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  4823. That you don’t know the evidence for planet formation does not mean the evidence doesn’t exist. Even if it didn’t then the absence of evidence for one means does not proved an alternative is correct.
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  4824.  @rinetasprauve5530  Reread my first sentence, slowly, then think.
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  4825.  @KangenAlec  You need to produce evidence, not inane conjecture.
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  4826.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4827. Literally the assumption that science can answer non-scientific problems. It gets used by people like these to dismiss science generally as “something you’re being told”. They have no clue that scientists pursue science.
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  4828. 1. No, his phone call was patched into a high power radio transmitter. 2. All research is ongoing with ever accumulating evidence to work with, all predictions bring based on what is known at the time of the prediction. 3. His water bottle leaked and, in the absence of gravity, stuck to his face rather than fall to his feet.
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  4829.  @KangenAlec  You try explaining.
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  4830. The video has been heavily edited; you can’t criticise the scientists for not asking questions that were probably edited out.
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  4831.  @SkylarRose  They likely did; since it would have led to a very unbalanced discussion with people who can’t produce any evidence, that went on the cutting room floor and we’re left with the inaccurate but “balanced” conversation.
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  4832.  @KangenAlec  25 centuries but I realise numbers don’t mean much to FE’ers. How would the world bring a globe enable the bogeymen to control people? Why is mindlessly accepting everything your gurus say not being controlled by them?
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  4833.  @Globeisahoax Which doesn’t explain why the FE sun would light only a limited misshapen area.
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  4834.  @KangenAlec  Very rarely do they die from a vaccine; the probability of a severe adverse reaction is <1:100,000 and too few people actually die to calculate an accurate probability. People who have no concept of dosage seem to think vaccines are toxic but mysteriously can't indicate where these huge number of deaths is occurring.
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  4835. Preponderance is an understatement.
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  4836.  @KangenAlec  How do they use it to enslave people exactly?
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  4837.  @inhumanwayz  The only people saying the Big Bang cane from nothing are those who don’t want to accept the Big Bang occurred. Until a few centuries ago it was natural philosophy and was observation based; experimentation was left to the alchemists. Rocking the boat in science can lead to a Nobel Prize; the whole object of scientific research is to increase knowledge. You’re using the results of our work to tell people we don’t produce anything useful.
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  4838.  @inhumanwayz  The atmospheric content is what would limit your view to a thousand miles. Everything would disappear in the very far distance into an ever increasing haze; other than city smog your view would not be limited to 20-30 miles.
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  4839. So what’s your evidence for the phlogiston? What’s its mass?
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  4840. Some acknowledge the other planets are spheres but reckon Earth is special for reasons, while others simply refuse to look through or even acknowledge telescopes exist.
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  4841. Ostrich egg - big & round.
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  4842.  @KangenAlec  There’s these things called telescopes, the more upmarket ones enabling you to take measurements of the exact angles for where sun, moon, planets & stars are in the sky. There’s also something called mathematics that enables you to calculate distances from those measurements.
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  4843.  @KangenAlec  They originally assumed the Earth to be flat; they deduced it was not.
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  4844. It means that if they skip key factors and use the wrong maths when calculating how far they can see then it doesn’t match with observable reality. Take all the factors into account and use the correct maths and it always works. Multiple factors and anything but the simplest equations are beyond their mental ability.
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  4845.  @KangenAlec  No explanation from him or you why the sun magically illuminates certain part while it’s light goes in every direction. Why don’t you try explaining?
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  4846.  @KangenAlec  I’ve never seen a multiple sun nor have my relatives who lived close to the Arctic Circle. Neither does it alter angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day. You need to produce a sound explanation why observable reality does match your claims. The Law of Just Does is not an explanation. You need to explain how a spherical light would somehow illuminate certain areas. Try doing it.
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  4847. Take your pick: 1. To fool you as an end in itself. 2. To hide God by....means.... 3. To take economic advantage of inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. To gain total mind control by...means...
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  4848. You realise we have labs?
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  4849.  @KangenAlec  Quite the opposite. There are morons who have difficulty reading waving documents about experimental aircraft design without a clue what they actually are.
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  4850.  @Globeishoaxx  It doesn’t even rate as a hypothesis.
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  4851. Why not provide proof and workable explanations? So much convincing than “expand your mind and don’t ask questions”.
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  4852.  @randomchipfat937  What is mind-expanding about a baseless opinion?
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  4853.  @randomchipfat937  A handwaving “anything’s possible if you think about it” does not explain how something impossible occurs. If you think something is possible (eg the observed motion of the sun being compatible with a FE) then you need to come up with sound reasoning for how that could be possible, not tell me to do your thinking for you.
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  4854.  @randomchipfat937  You mean like the Red Queen?
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  4855. ​ @alexanderka1956  "right outright declined that information as legit" Quite rightly so. The documents in questions refer to some experimental aircraft design where, to keep the maths solely focussed on the airflow over the wings, they assumed various factors to be zero, e.g., no flexibility in the airframe, no weight loss as fuel is burned off, no atmospheric turbulence and no curvature. No secret admission that the Earth is really flat, just some people unwilling to read a whole sentence and seizing upon isolated words. Nothing untrustworthy, just some simplified maths. "that doesn't prove they are right, but on the contrary it proves that they are not sure" It means that science is open to new information; while what we currently accept is well-founded, nothing can be proven absolutely. Don;t confuse lack of absolute proof with ignorance. "science is for the most part theory and assumptions which either are or aren't supported by evidence" What do you think we do in labs? "NASA claiming that they somehow don't have the technology anymore" The Apollo craft and Saturn V's were single use and have been used; they can be reused. All the one's built were used; there are none sitting in storage waiting to be used. The technology is 50 years old and is largely incompatible with today's. WHile NASA retains the blueprints & notes of those that assembled them, the manufacturing techniques are 50 years old. Much of the original components were designed & manufactured on contract; those companies have not had reason to hang onto 50 year old records & technology. Even if new Apollo craft & Saturn V were built with retro-engineering they wouldn't meet today's requirements; a moon base ifs not going to be built by two men in a few hours with a very limited cargo load. It is irrelevant that they were the pinnacle of space travel in 1971; this is 2021, the technology is dated and they wouldn't fulfill the functions of the desired missions. Is that clear?
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  4856.  @KangenAlec  Explain how the observable motion of the sun contradicting your model is supporting FE. Explain how dead people can be enslaved.
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  4857. The ISS has live cameras. Do you understand that objects appear smaller with increasing distance from the observer?
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  4858.  @mikelong473  What’s your technique for identifying CGI? Surely one of you can explain how you can tell. DishTV ran a camera from their geostationary satellite and that didn’t satisfy you. You need to be specific about what you really want. How many revolutions per day do you think the Earth would make at 1000mph?
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  4859.  @mikelong473  No answers?
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  4860.  @mikelong473  I note you didn't answer my first two questions. Blur caused by motion is due either to how fast the object passes through your field of vision (linear motion) or how many degrees change per unit time (rotational motion). An object's linear or tangential velocity doesn't cause blur per se; the more distant the object the longer it takes to cross your field of vision. Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are 22,000 miles away, the moon 239,000 miles and EPIC approximately 1,000,000 miles; none are in close proximity to Earth. If you think the EArth's rotation is going to cause a blurred image then I'm asking you how many rotations per day you think the Earth is making to cause such a change in angle in the blink of an eye?
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  4861.  @KangenAlec  Which still leaves an underside. Answer his question; you’re the one professing to be educated in FE.
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  4862.  @KangenAlec  The rocket supposedly hits your dome at several hundred mph but the camera doesn’t even jar; explain why it didn’t get smashed.
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  4863.  @slayerlion3340  Why do FE'ers always refer to the least accurate translation?
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  4864. They expect to see a blur of motion from one rotation per day.
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  4865.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  How many rotations do you think the spinning Earth makes per day?
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  4866.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Multiple trips with space shuttles each carrying individual modules that could be connected in space.
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  4867.  @KangenAlec  Have you ever thought to question what Trump says?
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  4868. Been done numerous times.
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  4869.  @KangenAlec  Including several circumpolar flights.
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  4870. Not to that extent; you need a mass of a star rather than a planet.
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  4871.  @KangenAlec  Umpteen FE’ers are eager to tell people there is an edge; who do you think is saying it?
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  4872. 1. Expense. 2. Either they would still refuse to acknowledge or they would be disowned as a shill by FE'ers.
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  4873.  @KangenAlec  By measuring the distance.
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  4874.  @Globeisahoax  There’s this concept called measurement…
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  4875. You don’t see the Milky Way becuase of light pollution, not because it has disappeared. The Brazilians were hoaxing you. Laser tests over water ignore refraction, dispersion and leveling error. Nobody has zoomed a ship back into view once it has gone over the horizon, just assumed the horizon was much closer than in actuality. And, no, the limit of your visual acuity is not the horizon. The clouds are substantially higher than you.
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  4876.  @dennisdesjardins6687  1. Get your eyes tested. 2a. The horizon will not appear to curve left-to-right at ground level. Hold a hula-hoop horizontally at eye-level. 2b. Zooming in an object that has passed beyond the limit of your visual acuity is exactly that; unless the object has actually gone over the horizon (separate event) then you are not zooming over the horizon. Still waiting on a FE'er to zoom the set sun back into view. 3a. If the clouds were horizon to horizon then you wouldn't be able to see the tops of the clouds. 3b. If you mean clouds dotted across the entire sky then they were all well above you; from their perspective the sun was still well above the horizon.
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  4877.  @KangenAlec  You’ve had that education and still you can’t explain anything.
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  4878.  @KangenAlec  If you’re educated about FE then why can’t you answer any questions?
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  4879.  @Globeisahoax  There’s these things called trigonometry and measurement…
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  4880.  @KangenAlec  “any is possible” You were claiming dome, ice wall and infinite lands a few weeks ago. What changed?
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  4881. Enclosed ecosystem, not physically enclosed. There’s no barrier preventing space travel but you will need life support.
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  4882. You realise science is evidence-based?
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  4883. It’s a disproven hypothesis. Scientific theories are comprehensive explanations for phenomena, are based on abundant evidence and have stood up to all attempts to disprove it. FE’ers are just people who are flummoxed by numbers.
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  4884.  @herod9348  They are eager to demonstrate that they have little concept of scale, measurements, trigonometry or calculations and it would appear that to them numbers consist of "nothing" and "huge". I would think it quite accurate to say that they are flummoxed by numbers. If they aren't then they are doing a good job of appearing otherwise. If you think there are sound point in FE then try statin what they are instead of simply declaring the globe to be censorship.
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  4885. Motion if the sun, hirizins, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude. That’s how the ancient Greeks deduced it. It has sincd been fully mapped & measured snd mire recently we have satellite cameras shooting it from all angles. Folks like Globe is a Hoax have no understanding of scale and can’t grasp how high you would need to send a camera to see a curved horizon.
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  4886.  @Globeisahoax  Neither are you; you steadfastly refuse to answer questions.
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  4887.  @Globeisahoax  Routinely reproduced with similar results. Still waiting on how you measured the distance to the FE sun.
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  4888.  @SIM2014  You’re a Great Witness?
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  4889.  @SIM2014  "I ask the same question of you" I don't feel it necessary for me to personally witness something for it to be valid; I don't have paranoid delusiotn that the rest of the world is lying to me. As in motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses disproving FE?
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  4890.  @SIM2014  That confirms angle to Polaris matching latitude and constellations changing with latitude. Explain how you think that proves a FE.
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  4891.  @SIM2014  I take it that you aren't familiar with the concept of travel? Mindblowing as you will find the idea, it is possible for people to live at different latitudes in the course of the life and nothing (other than bright lights) is stopping them from looking at the stars in any of the them. Now I realise you think all information comes from the shadowy They and that They have dictated to cartographers and astronomers throughout time that the information that cartographers & astronomers can determine for themselves needs to be but most of us reside in the real world. Presumably you are going to claim to possess the Real Map and Real Starchart in which case be novel and cough them up.
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  4892. Do you have any idea what power magnification that would require and the size of lens needed?
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  4893.  @KangenAlec  I’ve replied to you almost every time. What magnification would be required and how large a lens?
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  4894.  @sakunaritv3433  The relevances us in the follow on question: how big a lens? It has to be gotten into orbit before anybody can take shots of the necessary resolution. That’s before we get into the zooming required, that they want plane flights over Antarctica just so they can photographed and that everything would be dismissed as CGI anyway.
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  4895.  @MaTT-BLaK  Microscopes & telescopes work on the same principle: two lens used to magnify the object. "Im sure in this day and age" If you don't know how it could be then how are you sure that it can be done? You realise that planes will always fly with the undercarriage towards the ground whether the Earth is round or flat? That a satellite-mounted camera will always be above the plane, not below? That a sphere does not require planes to have wheels on top to land upside down?
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  4896.  @MaTT-BLaK  it doesn’t and lacks the zoom capability you’re demanding. Even if were possible would you accept the video or, as with everything previously, simply dismiss it as CGI?
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  4897.  @MaTT-BLaK  I would also note that Hubble is low orbit. If it was turned around then the view would be similar to that from the ISS; limited area, not a full hemisphere.
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  4898.  @KangenAlec  Where about in the Arctic? When submarines pass below the Arctic ice why don’t they run aground?
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  4899.  @Globeishoax  And yet reject all evidence that would lead them to the truth.
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  4900.  @KangenAlec  Explain two celestial poles,
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  4901.  @Globeishoaxx  Misinformation.
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  4902.  @KangenAlec  What do you think DNA frequency is?
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  4903. I think you mean that science proves the Earth is not flat.
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  4904.  @KangenAlec  Note that it appears in only one translation, which was a little creative, and that it refers to the sky.
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  4905.  @intence1233  One revolution per day is not going to make anyone dizzy. Down is towards the centre of the Earth, not a mystical plane "below" the south pole. Several hundred miles (weather permitting) on a FE before it became a haze due to dust & vapour in the air; no horizon, no objects disappearing below the horizon.
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  4906.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence to back that claim. Why do you never provide it when you are so anxious to share it?
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  4907.  @KangenAlec  How would such a mock-up work?
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  4908.  @MrManukonga  There's no agreement on what shape it is. They visual a sphere since it is always circular in cross-section, just like the earth's shadow in a lunar eclipse which they reject. However they expect it to be behave as if it was 2D disc like a torch lens. They don't see any self-contradiction.
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  4909.  @MrManukonga  Except something that is apparently circular from every angle is a sphere; they want it both ways.
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  4910.  @msa7933  Gives me a vision of the FE'ers entering on little tricycles to expound on their vehicular superiority.
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  4911.  @KangenAlec  A multiple heights above the same location? What height is the dome at that point? Why were all the clouds from each explosion not disrupted by this unbreakable dome?
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  4912.  @KangenAlec  Hd doesn’t answer that question. You try answering it.
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  4913.  @KangenAlec  Not with sufficient elevation. FE claims we should have several hundred miles unimpeded vision but none of you can demonstrate that. What’s the problem?
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  4914.  @KangenAlec  A myth.
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  4915. ​ @johansteyn3756  You started with "Modernday scientists start with a conclusion and cherry pick evidence." and you're telling me that I shouldn't be insulting? Science is an iterative cycle of observation, hypothesis, prediction, observation; it always has been and it continues to be that. When something is long established from the evidence and the accumulating evidence doesn't call it into doubt then it is not worthwhile to be continually starting from scratch; there is plenty else to be getting on with. It does make sense to keep an eye out for inconsistencies, which is what we do; it is far more productive than figuratively rechecking 2+2=4. It is not cherry-picking; that means actively ignoring contradictory evidence. If you think it was creation then the onus is on you to provide scientific evidence to support that claim, not make accusations about other people not looking.
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  4916.  @johansteyn3756  I’m a scientist and this is modern day; you insulted me.
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  4917. The idea that the sun behaves totally differently to what we can all observe every day should be given serious consideration? "There is a reason why..." Don't assume a conspiracy just because something is not readily accessible. The Vatican Library is restricted to qualified researchers because it is a specialist library. Some NASA documents will contains details of technologies that the US Government (the funding body) don't want foreign countries to have ready access to. They didn't come with any points that are worthy of serious consideration, just claims that are symptomatic of willful ignorance.
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  4918.  @DSunlisted193  A1. Because the packs they’re wearing would make it difficult to get up if they fell over. A2. They didn’t. One set of tapes containing a video went astray. A3. They were shaded from the sun’s light. On the surface their visors provided that shading.
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  4919.  @SR-xc5nb  No scientist is going to wave a Bible as evidence the Earth is a sphere.
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  4920.  @KangenAlec  It would help your case if any of you could actually produce a working model ur even just an accurate basic map. You can’t even explain why the sun moves differently to how you claim b
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  4921.  @SR-xc5nb  That the authors used terms that showed their limited knowledge of how the world worked.
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  4922.  @khirywashington371  " I don’t see anything spinning" You can see the stars revolve once per day; either you or they are spinning but you can't both be stationary. Exactly what do you think one rotation per day would look like in a photo? Are you expecting to see a blurred image? A clock's hour hand moves twice as fast. Foucault pendulum & laser gyroscopes demonstrate the Earth rotates; stellar parallax demonstrate that the Earth moves. Your eyes & ears are not sensitive to rotation as slow as once per day. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are collectively downloading several full hemisphere shots per hour, all immediately available online.
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  4923. Science does not say it came from nothing; it’s a straw man argument.
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  4924.  @Globeisahoax  But you can parallax to determine the distance to the planets; they aren't local. You still haven't explained how the motion of the sun is consistent with a FE. You claim to know and have had over a year to answer me so what's the hold up?
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  4925.  @KangenAlec  What’s your evidence for of those?
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  4926.  @Globeisahoax  Still hasn’t occurred to you that telescopes exist?
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  4927. The video was edited to make it appear balanced.
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  4928.  @samadams7224  They’re making a video called “Middle Ground”, the evidence is one sided and you can’t see what motive they would have for editing out evidence?
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  4929.  @samadams7224  Conspiracy infers some malevolent purpose. Jubilee just didn’t give a damn.
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  4930.  @KangenAlec  How is mRNA going to splice into DNA?
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  4931.  @KangenAlec  You said it was Klaus Schaub earlier. You’ve been told by a guru that mRNA can slice into DNA and you didn’t think to check before repeating it?
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  4932. Screwing up the maths doesn’t prove anything. Meanwhile science is making highly accurate measurements and predictions using the correct maths.
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  4933. @Rayhan Syed Few don’t.
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  4934.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, all readily observable.
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  4935. Theory of combustion.
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  4936. Aqua Rybo Some thing it’s an endless column, others think there is an endless plain with infinite depth. They seem to have difficulty thinking beyond what is readily visible to them.
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  4937.  @mikelarrivee5115  You're confusing a 25,000 mile circumference with a 25 mile one. Try calculating degrees curvature per mile with different size circumferences and note how the number changes. If the sun were close to the Earth then its apparent size would change through the course of the day; with a close sun the Earth's diameter is significant compared to the separating distance. The Earth was deduced to be a globe 2500 years ago; the Ptolemaic system had a central spherical Earth with sun & moon orbiting it. The shift from geocentric to heliocentric system was recent. There are more than two bodies in the solar system; relative motion of sun & Earth is not going to make heliocentric & geocentric the same.
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  4938.  @mikelarrivee5115  If the sun circles the Earth then the centre of the Earth is at the centre; observers are one Earth radius away away form that centre not at the centre.
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  4939.  @mikelarrivee5115  And we have another genius claiming basic geometry is "preconceptions". "The sun doesn't change shape" Nobody has said anything about the sun changing shape.
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  4940.  @mikelarrivee5115  They assumed it to be flat; the ancient Greeks disproved that and deduced it to be a sphere. We are still waiting on FE’er explanations for their observations.
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  4941.  @mikelarrivee5115  Motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses; still waiting on the FE’er explanations for how those are possible on a FE.
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  4942.  @mikelarrivee5115  A close sun going around a spherical Earth would produce variable angular diameter through the course of the day. A sun going around a FE would mean sunrise & sunset at the same time everywhere as well as a variable angular diameter. A sun circling above a FE would mean no rising & setting and variable angular diameter snd angular velocity. A rotating star dome on a FE means only one celestial pole, the same constellations always visible and the angle to Polaris not matching latitude. A rotating star dome around a spherical Earth would mean no stellar parallax, no orbiting moons around other planets and does require evidence of its existence.
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  4943.  @mikelarrivee5115  Why do you think the angular diameter of an object doesn’t alter with varying distance from the observer? A rotating star dome on a FE is not going to have two celestial poles. On a spherical Earth you would not be able to observe stellar parallax or moons around planets. (Did you not understand what I wrote?). How are multiple domes supposed to work? Why would only one be visible at a time? Only if the sun went below a FE which would result in the rising & setting being simultaneous across the FE. Did you not understand what I wrote?
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  4944. ​ @mikelarrivee5115  For a close sun, unless the entire populace is stood in centre of its rotation the distance to the sun will noticeably vary. Two celestial poles are visible (north & south). An hemispheric star dome on a FE would have only one pole. 1 =/= 2. When 2 are observable then we are not limited to 1. As I've pointed out twice, if the stars were on domes then you would be unable to observe stellar parallax and moons orbiting other planets. We observe stellar parallax and moons orbiting other planets. If you mean layered domes then you would see the shape of constellations changing, not which constellations were visible. We don't see such a change in shape through the course of the year. Again, which would lead to a the same time for sunrise & sunset worldwide. We don't observe that. Either you are a troll or just unwilling to think?
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  4945.  @mikelarrivee5115  "so first of all it depends on what is on which domes" Still wouldn't work; I said why. The stars are observed to rotate anti-clockwise in the northern hemisphere, clockwise in the southern hemisphere producing two centres of rotation (celestial poles). With a hemispherical dome the FE can only have one. On a FE (hills & mountains aside) you would have a worldwide sunrise & sunset time if the sun went above & below the Earth. If the Earth is a sphere then the distance to each observer would vary and hence variation in angular diameter if the sun was close. No, they are not extremely minute. If the effect is impossible on your model (whatever it is) then your model is not correct. You can't wave your hands and claim something to be inconsequential when it is supposed to be impossible on your model. "recognizing that most of the time the earth is flat" Try dividing 360 degrees by 25,000 miles and then explain why you think there should be a substantial number of degrees curvature per mile.
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  4946.  @mikelarrivee5115  An object can not be more than one shape simultaneously.
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  4947.  @mikelarrivee5115  The change in detail is insignificantly minute compared to the size of the planet; tectonic plate shift gradually raising a mountain is not going to alter the fact the Earth is spheroid. There’s this concept called measurement that some people seem to find so difficult to grasp.
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  4948.  D Gray  "Fame and recognition for new work" Disproving an existing theory would be such new work. That you don't understand something or are unaware of how conclusions were reached does not make it dogma.
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  4949. "two-party-only system" It's not limited to two parties; there currently happen to be two main parties.
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  4950. "she's right about scientific institutions not being transparent" There's a difference between transparent and simple.
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  4951.  @KangenAlec  Green screen and CGI are not the same thing.
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  4952.  @Globeisahoax  Pilots navigate for which you need an accurate map and, no, the Gleason projection is not an accurate map.
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  4953. You need to demonstrate that that assertion is correct and “just gotta be” is not a valid argument.
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  4954.  @KangenAlec  Explain why the sun doesn’t follow your predicted path.
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  4955.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees, 66,000 mph.
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  4956. Why don’t you believe the Earth is a globe?
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  4957. Anti-authority but they still want the benefits.
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  4958.  @tbrown3356  Distance from the sun; planets are already in place. Latitude of the gyroscope, orbital distance of the satellite.
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  4959.  @tbrown3356  Distance to the sun is derived by measuring the distance between objects. WGS84. Distance to satellites is measurable; you’re demanding measurements so I know you understand the concept of measurement. You can also see the ISS pass overhead. What’s the FE’er explanation for it?
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  4960.  @tbrown3356  One object does not need to orbit another to measure the separating distance. The ISS is visible; you haven't explained what you think it is. GPS works on a satellite network; FE'er seem content with invisible floating radio towers dotted across the oceans as an explanation. Denying measurements of Earth's shape have been done does not invalidate the measurements however much you would like it to. Satellites have predictable orbits; you can't even explain how they would work on a FE.
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  4961.  @tbrown3356  I said it is unnecessary for one object to orbit another to be able measure the separating distance; if you think it is then explain why you think your feet have to be orbiting your head (or vice verse) to measure your height. If an object is visible and moving then its motion is trackable by observing it. I would have thought that obvious; why am I needing to point it out to you? And yet satellites can be seen and their signals traced. Their track able motion indicates that they are in orbit around the Earth. I'm still waiting on your explanation for how you think they work on a FE. Try answering that before we progress further.
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  4962. ​ @tbrown3356  You realise that time has passed since 1653? You do realise that technology has moved on since then? You do realise that Huygens attempting to measure the distance does not magically preclude anybody else doing it with different methods? "without having a physical measurement of earth curve or earth radius" You denying the measurements have been made means sweet FA.
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  4963.  @KangenAlec  Evidence? Explain why you think the Earth not being a globe would make it flat?
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  4964.  @KangenAlec  Not your FE gurus?
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  4965. There was a spike of interest that quickly fell off as it dawned on most of them that were making fools of themselves. Some still insist it’s a rapidly spreading idea that has all the answers though they can never say what these answers might be....
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  4966. Knowing how to take accurate measurements is indoctrination?
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  4967. There's a booming tourist trade to Antarctica and people making solo treks across it; the Antarctic Treaty is downloadable & readable and does not ban people from going. NASA was founded in 1958 AD while the EArth was deduced to be a sphere around 5000 BC; still awaiting an explanation from FE'ers as to how they think NASA fooled the ancient Greeks. Operation Fishbowl exploded a series of nuclear explosions at ascending altitudes (2 to 200 miles) above the same location to look at the effect of an electromagnetic pulse; FE'er won't explain why they think the dome has such variable heights.
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  4968.  @KangenAlec  Echo chambers for people who can't think but like to think they are geniuses. You are making a lot of comments, can't explain anything but still believe you have the understanding to explain.
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  4969.  @KangenAlec  Disproven to be flat c. 500BC having been simply assumed to be flat prior to that date. You haven't explained how the Jesuits were influencing the ancient Greek 2000 years before the Jesuits were created. What's the hold up?
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  4970.  @Globeisahoax  Said laser beam is mounted on an aircraft; missiles from the Navy ship home in on the target. How many times do you need to be told?
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  4971. Yet the rotation is detectable & measureable...
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  4972.  @KangenAlec  They used observation and logical reasoning, something that are an anathema to FE’ers. They took note of how the sun moved rather than denying reality.
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  4973.  @Globeisahoax  You haven’t provided any evidence in over a year of posting.
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  4974. Morbid curiosity.
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  4975.  @Globeisahoax  Answer his question - whats the point of a 2500 year conspiracy?
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  4976. It doesn’t teach either. At the time the OT was written it was generally assumed that the Earth was flat and that can sometimes be seen in the choice of phrasing but is incidental to what is being taught.
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  4977.  @peterfeeney1198  A 25 mile circumference will give you the extreme curve while the Earth has a circumference of 25,000 miles. Nobody can see too far; they just ignore observer elevation and atmospheric refraction when calculating how far they think they should see.
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  4978. We live in 3D space.
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  4979.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn't answer his question but then you never do.
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  4980. Mossad in 1910?
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  4981. Try Professor Dave’s 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say. It gives a good run down on their logic.
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  4982. Some people appear to think that they we don't conduct any experiments at all, just read textbooks and muse over blackboards in dusty offices.
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  4983.  @conradmbugua9098  No; he says it’s just gotta be density acting as a force and things just gotta move in this direction but at no point does he explain how a ratio could possibly act as a force or why it would move objects in any particular direction. He just ignores gravity being a force and the Earth’s mass defining down.
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  4984.  @KangenAlec  Wrong. The word only appears in the King James Version.
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  4985. Manned flights were 1966 to 1973. Traceable signal to, on and from the moon, detectable equipment left there and verifiable material brought back, all observed & verified by people world wide.
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  4986. ​ @robertnixon6548  We had already launched umpteen satellites by that time and sent probes to different planets; why would the signal be any different from a manned craft? "How did we know that the suits would survive a vacuum?" By testing them in a vacuum chamber. "How did the ship survive reentry?" A heatshield that gradually burned off. "Do you know what those ships were made of? " Main body & frame mostly aluminium alloys. No, the observable reflective layers are not the only part of the craft. "How did theses spacecraft survive all of this givin the material it was made of?" The Apollo craft were encased in the nose section of the Saturn V, thus shielded from the friction during launch and released once the third stage was in orbit. The aluminium body, carbon-fibre insulation and water tanks provided the necessary shielding from radiation (no, you do not need lead for particle radiation). The body & framework was quite sufficient to withstand holding 1 atm internal pressure. The Command Module was the only part that returned to Earth and had a heatshield that gradually burned off during re-entry. None of this secret or unknown. "Why did rubric or w/e his name is said he filmed it in a studio. Then he died." The other way around: he died then gave a posthumous interview a few weeks later.
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  4987.  @robertnixon6548  Too expensive for too little return; great Cold War ego boost the first time but less so with time. Building & maintaining a base in the moon wasn’t practical. For far less money we can be sending probes throughout the solar system not just the moon.
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  4988.  @robertnixon6548  The Apollo programme was cancelled in 1973. The Apollo-Soyuz linkup was in 1975. The technology had not been mislaid. Almost 50 years have passed since. Try feeding a floppy disk into your computer or phone. It doesn’t work because technology has advanced. Same goes for every aspect of space travel; what worked for Apollo is now outdated and needs developing anew. The Apollo blueprints still exist; nobody has mislaid them but they require outdated technology and techniques for construction.
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  4989. ​ @robertnixon6548  The people with the hands-on experience are retired or dead. Though the blueprints exist there were many ad hoc changes made during the assembly process; you would need to search through accumulated handwritten notes too. While the the assembly was done at NASA facilities the components were made by outside contractors; they have had no reason to preserve the workshops they used and the paperwork will have been trashed over the course of time. Manufacturing processes have become more automated, the materials have changed and (like NASA) the people with the hands-on knowledge are retired or dead. Even if you could manage to resurrect all the manufacturing & assembly required you would be left with an antiquated craft built from (now) substandard materials, possessing no electronic equipment to speak of and the capability limited to transporting only 3 people for only 2 weeks, once and once only. Existing spacecraft are built from modern materials, electronic throughout and reusable; resurrecting Apollo simply because they could leave orbit ignores what is required in today's spacecraft. It's more akin to recreating a Model T Ford than a bow (bows are at least still made). You'd have to start from what records exist, rebuild hand assembly plants, lay your hands on antiquated material and at the end of the day you would have a car that didn't meet basic requirements. It would be far more practical to use the accumulated knowledge (moving assembly lines, physics & engineering behind combustion engines, what details are essential in the design) to build an entirely new car. I don't know what you are referring to by "spacestation x". The ISS is a spacestation and has been in orbit for 20 years. SpaceX is one of the companies building & developing spacecraft; their Dragon craft have been running cargo trips to the ISS and recently carried astronauts too. I can't see any particular military advantage to a lunar colony; missiles launched from there would take a week to get to Earth and could be readily intercepted. While the Enterprise's phasers may be accurate at that range, a moon-based laser would be too diffuse by the time it reached Earth. I don't find space travel & a potential lunar colony a waste; I noted the impracticality of using Apollo craft to build such a colony, essentially spending a billion dollars to put two men on the moon to carry out a few hours work.
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  4990. Why would do you think we would be unable to see it?
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  4991.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  4992. Except we know it isn’t.
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  4993.  @batiksurabaya  Ships pass below the horizon; they can no linger been seen nor be contacted by radio. Zooming in with a P9000 does not bring them back into view. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - as observable on water as they are on land and indicative of a globe.
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  4994.  @batiksurabaya  The curvature is continuous and exists because that is the definition of a globe. If you mean how far to the horizon then that is dependent on elevation & atmospheric refraction as well as curvature; there is not a set distance. If you mean how dies the Earth cone to be a globe than a mass of that size compresses itself into a globe through its own gravity.
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  4995.  @Globeisahoax  “just gotta be” is not evidence.
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  4996.  @batiksurabaya  I have brain and think about what I’m looking at. Size & scale aren’t difficult to comprehend. The sun visibly maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the day and rises & sets. FE’ers are adamant it grows & shrinks and doesn’t cone within 10-20 degrees of the horizon; that is denying what you see.
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  4997.  @batiksurabaya  Distance from north pole to south pole is 12,500 miles, not the 12.5 miles that you are envisaging. You don't see the curvature you expect from a 25 mile circumference because the actual circumference is 1000 times larger. This is the FE'er incapability to understand scale. Simply because both would be rounded doe snot mean the same degree curvature per mile. Try explaining why the sun behaves differently to what is predicted by FE.
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  4998.  @batiksurabaya  You didn’t ask. What do you think would be stopping people being distributed around the globe? Depends on your elevation and the ambient atmospheric refraction as well as curvature. Why wouldn’t the ship become hidden by the curvature? You’re looking at the effect of curvature; you’re demanding you should be able to directly see curvature as if you were looking at a basketball.
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  4999.  @KangenAlec  Perceiving 3 dimensions in a 3D reality is brainwashing?
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  5000. The FE’ers will claim it as proof that teachers are educated in brainwashing.
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  5001.  @phildavenport4150  He has one?
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  5002. The definition of planet was changed.
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  5003. Evidence?
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  5004. God’s wrath was the explanation. That Zeus hurled them did not stop God taking over, so to speak.
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  5005.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude...
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  5006.  @Globeisahoax  Why is asking you questions harassment? You keep saying you want to educate people to why complain when you’re asked questions?
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  5007. An object can pass your beyond your visual acuity well before it reaches the horizon. FE’ers claim that zooming an object back into view before it reaches the horizon proves the horizon is just the limit of visual acuity. They can’t explain why objects disappear from bottom up or why none of them has been able to zoom the set sun back into view.
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  5008.  @KangenAlec  Are comments allowed or will non-adulatory ones be deleted?
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  5009. Remuneration from the FBI for time spent supplying them with traffic information as requested in warrants.
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  5010.  @KangenAlec  In 2-3 months you haven’t provided anything to support that.
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  5011. Piccard didn’t go high enough to see curvature and wouldn’t be able to see it through a porthole a few inches across. Tesla describes the world as a globe. Byrd commented most of the continent of Antarctica was then unexplored. Actually look up details before regurgitating what your gurus told you.
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  5012.  @KangenAlec  Fourth time today, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  5013. What do you think we do in labs?
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  5014. Supposedly divine inspiration to a long series of people, not one person. Possibly you’re thinking of the first 5 books being written by Moses and extrapolating from there.
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  5015.  @Globeisahoax  If it is so obvious then why cant you answer any questions?
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  5016.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescopes…
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  5017.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence for the the world being an endless lake. What's taking you so long?
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  5018. Abundant evidence for curvature from simply measuring with sticks & shadows through to satellite mapping and pictures. Just how much evidence do you need to satisfy you that evidence exists?
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  5019.  @bobbyfischersays1262  Nobody has demonstrated atmospheric lending exists much less explained how it works always be just right for each & every observer regardless of weather conditions. The only way the sun could retain a constant angular velocity across the sky is by remaining equidistant to the observer. Explain how that works in a FE.
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  5020.  @bobbyfischersays1262  Explain the motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude. Despite all the deep research done by FE’ers we are still waiting on those explanations. If you’re another one who professes to possess the Real Map & Real Model then have the courage to actually produce them.
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  5021.  @bobbyfischersays1262  That is refraction, not lensing. Nothing changes in apparent size. Reduction of glare is caused by the clouds that the sun is passing behind. That it occurs occasionally does not mean it just gotta be happening all the time just right for every observer where ever they are. So many of you claim to possess or have at least seen the Real Map and the Real Model but never impart the details. You are now saying you possess or have seen the Real Evidence; what are the chances you will impart any of it? So many of you claim the globe is disproved or has serious issues but mind if you ever say what that evidence or problems are either. Explain how two celestial poles are observable and visible constellations change with latitude when your model insists there is only one and all the constellations are visible.
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  5022.  @bobbyfischersays1262  There was a couple of missing words in the first few paragraphs. They’re now corrected. Which constellations are visible changes with latitude. Polaris can’t be seen from south of the equator. The Southern Cross is visible only in the Southern Hemisphere. The stars rotate in the opposite direction in the Southern Hemisphere. All readily observable simply from observation and none explained by FE’ers. The Gleason projection is a globe map. Projecting the globe onto a flat surface creates distortion; on the Gleason projection the apparent distances become increasingly out of scale the further you go southwards. Still no explanation from FE’ers to reconcile such differences. The USGS does not use the Gleason projection. You need to talk with your co-FE’ers who demand we criticise the Real Map, Real Model And Real Evidence. You still haven’t said what these inconsistencies with the globe are.
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  5023. No, its the layman’s misunderstanding of what scientific theory means. The vernacular meaning long since departed the original meaning.
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  5024. Names these experiments. If you’re going to say Michaelson-Morley & Airy the actually read up what they were looking for first. g = G.(m1.m2)/d^2
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  5025.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees and 65,000 mph tangential velocity.
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  5026.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees. How difficult is that for you to grasp?
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  5027. They’re trying to keep this polite 😊
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  5028. It gradually molded into a sphere as the mass accreted. That was several billion years ago though.
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  5029.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  5030. There’s more to the Bible than the early chapters of Genesis.
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  5031.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees. Just how difficult is it for you to distinguish two numbers? How the heck do you handle money?
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  5032.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  5033. Probably not. They would just say the windows were fancy TV screens.
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  5034.  @Globeisahoax  Why can’t we seen as far as we should on a FE? Why can’t any FE’ers provide an answer?
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  5035. Evidence?
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  5036.  @KangenAlec  Does it explain the monthly cycle of lunar phases?
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  5037.  @KangenAlec  Why do buildings fall in an earthquake?
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  5038. The video has been heavily edited to remove that.
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  5039.  @KangenAlec  Answer his question. There are no FE maps to be found.
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  5040. So?
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  5041.  @KangenAlec  Exceeding the maximum range of the aircraft how exactly? Which map exactly? None of you can produce one.
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  5042.  @Globeisahoax  Why doesn’t it change apparent size & speed through the course of the day?
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  5043. No explanation ever forthcoming, just claims that someone somewhere somehow is grabbing money & power from the Earth being a globe
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  5044. About 40,000km. The top of the mountain on the island can be seen that far away when it is viewed from the top of the mountain in the other island; they’re not good at taking elevation into account.
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  5045.  @KangenAlec  Explain how you take measurements.
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  5046.  @KangenAlec  Try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  5047. It’s easy to deduce that the Earth isn’t flat but FE’ers essentially claim observable reality is wrong. Conspiracy theorists usually have at least a tenuous grasp of reality. “Going against the narrative” doesn’t make anybody right.
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  5048.  @KangenAlec  Why would the FE sun only light up a limited, misshapen area? How could it act as a spotlight without appearing as an oval in the sky?
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  5049.  @СтефанМихайлович-ж9с  None of them can explain it. Kangen just goes off into non sequiturs.
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  5050. If somebody states they are a critical thinker then it’s a pretty fair bet there’s little thinking involved.
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  5051.  @KangenAlec  Why move at all and why in consistent directions?
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  5052. Coalescence of some of the released energy as the expanding universe cooled.
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  5053. Science is backed by evidence; why do you think we shouldn’t tell people?
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  5054.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification is required and what size lend would be needed. You profess to be the man who’s thought it all through and has the answers so what’s the problem with that simple question?
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  5055. They usually put it down to either density acting a force but but not a force or simply claim that objects spontaneously move themselves, apparently choosing to move downwards because downwards is the direction they move in.
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  5056.  @KangenAlec  The edge or over the ice-wall, whichever one you are claiming today.
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  5057.  @takayamaguchi  Myths which arise from non-scientists misinterpreting scientific work. I doubt very much that there are any neuroscientists that believe only 10% of the brain is used.
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  5058.  @KangenAlec  It doesn’t calculate how far you can see.
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  5059. 6th century BC.
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  5060.  @KangenAlec  And yet the sun's observable behaviour contradicts you.
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  5061.  @ALightOn  Your OP criticised the debaters, not Jubilee, for apparently failing to produce evidence.
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  5062. She’s asking for something akin to a test tube of gravity.
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  5063.  @KangenAlec  And how does that answer his question?
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  5064. Your point...?
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  5065.  @KangenAlec  Be novel and actually produce this working map.
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  5066.  @KangenAlec  Quote the relevant section in the Antarctic Treaty.
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  5067. While the Voyager satellites are leaving the solar system the Earth has been circumnavigated multiple times, including circumpolar, and it still doesn't satisfy them.
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  5068.  @timekeeperg2112  Have you considered the practicalities of a governments controlling every publication?
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  5069.  @KangenAlec  No FE’er can produce a coherent answer.
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  5070.  @KangenAlec  That would be the simplest method so that’s where FE’er thinking grinds to a halt. The ancient Greeks noted the positions of stars relative to the observers, the movement of the sun, that solar & lunar eclipses occurred, that the shadow on a lunar eclipse was always round and that the tops of tall objects appeared above the horizon first.
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  5071.  @KangenAlec  Have you ever tried dividing 25000 by 360?
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  5072.  @KangenAlec  As I said at the time, weblinks don’t show up on this channel. You can see them since you posted them but nobody else can.
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  5073.  @KangenAlec  No. It has been complied once and most are direct translations of the original script.
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  5074. There is only one disease and it is caused by bad spirituality?
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  5075.  @KangenAlec  The man with the answers can’t answer yet another question? What a surprise.
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  5076.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, there is no top & bottom when down is towards the centre of the globe. Not a difficult concept, just totally beyond FE'ers.
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  5077.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t provided any evidence they aren’t real. All you have ever done is fail to comprehend spatial reasoning.
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  5078. Do you have any evidence that it is hollow? How do you explain seismic echos from a solid core? Do you think your idea must be correct purely because it differs from accepted knowledge?
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  5079. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles; all observable and verifiable by FE’ers. Some are open to explanation of the logical errors and inaccurate presumption s that make up FE and willing to think through on the above methods. The die-hards are afflicted with Morton’s demon.
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  5080. The only near plausible motive FE’ers have come up with is that they like fooling you.
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  5081. You’re not in favour of people learning about the universe around them?
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  5082.  @KangenAlec  Rather the point.
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  5083. Why should you deny something simply because it is an accepted fact?
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  5084.  @KangenAlec  The Ptolemaic system dates from c. 100AD.
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  5085.  @KangenAlec  The geocentric model is based on a spherical Earth. Which way do you want it?
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  5086.  @Globeisahoax  It does make us far better qualified at practicing science.
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  5087. That’s due to the amount of dots the US imports from China 😊
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  5088. Willful ignorance and the desire to feel they are better informed than everyone around them. They are quite happy to claim the sun follows a different path and never sets & rises rather than actually look up.
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  5089. With or without a planet’s gravity?
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  5090. It’s their perception that scientific theories are just guesses; the car works so it can’t run on guesses. 🙁
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  5091.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained why you wouldn’t be able to see something large & bright from a great distance but then you can’t explain any of your pronouncements.
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  5092.  @KangenAlec  And made great use of models which are distinguishable.
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  5093. They now think the FE sun travels in a horizontal circle above the FE. They still can’t give any details or reconcile predictions with observable reality.
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  5094. You need to supply a motive for why decades of film have been doctored to show a globe.
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  5095.  @KangenAlec  Given a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference, how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to be observable?
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  5096. More a matter of what benefit would a globe conspiracy gain? It would require a fantastic amount of money to be sunk into it with the active participation of millions for no plausible purpose FE'er can ever suggest.
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  5097. The gradual accumulation of simple errors in DNA replication and natural selection of those errors turned a monkey-like predecessor into humans over the course of millions of years.
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  5098.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, blockhead: motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude - none explained by FE.
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  5099.  @KangenAlec  Soyuz or SpaceX? You’ll have to wait a while for Virgin Galactic.
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  5100.  @Globeisahoax  Which to you means all science.
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  5101. The absence of facts from FE’ers is indeed s problem.
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  5102.  @KangenAlec  Yet again, motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles....,
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  5103.  @KangenAlec  The rail gun projectile travels in an arc with no deviation left or right.
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  5104. @QED I’ve answered most of his comments claiming that rail guns fire in a straight line.
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  5105. @QED I’m pretty sure he has me blocked on his feed. He feels people asking questions or pointing out errors is harassment.
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  5106.  @KangenAlec  You have yet to demonstrate that anybody is lying...
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  5107.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence. Is it really taking you over a year to type it?
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  5108.  @wildcats-ji8in  He never answers those questions.
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  5109.  @wildcats-ji8in  They can’t agree on a model and what they do propose are self-contradictory and fail to work.
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  5110.  @wildcats-ji8in  The sun would move differently to what we perceive in reality, it would change in apparent size through the course of the day rather than remain constant, it wouldn’t rise & set and there is no reason for light to stop so only a distorted area to be illuminated. That’s just the problems with the sun on that model.
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  5111.  @wildcats-ji8in  Check the”Destroying flat earth without using science” videos byProfessor Dave Explains.
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  5112. Like many FE’ers they envisage the globe as much smaller than in actuality and thus expect to see the curvature of a 25-250 mile circumference.
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  5113. It’s kind of heavily edited.
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  5114.  @KangenAlec  In other words, you don't know.
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  5115. Usually gets described as: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent god by... means.... 3. To take economic advantage of inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. Total mince control by... means....
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  5116.  @KangenAlec  The sun doesn’t move as you say it does but you’re still quite sure it behaves very differently to what you can observe for yourself.
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  5117.  @KangenAlec  There isn't a FE map on Instagram or anywhere else.
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  5118. Do you see the sun cross the sky each day?
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  5119.  @KangenAlec  It’s measurably and observably round while FE’ers can explain how the same measurements & observations fit a FE.
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  5120.  @dwaynehiler5735  I’m asking you what you understand by scientific? What do you expect to hear that you would understand to be scientific?
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  5121.  @dwaynehiler5735  Our lifetimes aren't long enough to replicate every known thing just so we could say that we too had done it. When umpteen have done it, demonstrating something to be correct and predictions from a given model are always accurate there is little need to personally reproduce it; our time is spent on advancing knowledge, not endlessly checking over what has already been determined. It is not "ideas, beliefs, and assumptions" that the Earth is a sphere; it is long determined fact.
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  5122.  @dwaynehiler5735  I would note that the video is heavily edited; with each question the discussion is rapidly ended, rather than reaching a natural conclusion. ""The earth is a globe because someone else already proved it", is NOT a scientific argument." It's a reasonable argument. As I said, it isn't practical for any of us to reproduce everything done; we are always dependent on other people's results while pursuing our own lines. There is an obligation to publish methods & results with any claim if you wish something to be considered; something is only accepted as accurate when numerous independent sources have arrived at the same conclusion and nobody has succeeded in disproving it. Even in one lab working on a very specific area different people will have different skills; the work done is a collaborative effort. "all the proven lies that have been passed as scientific fact," Such as?
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  5123.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  5124. The OT was written before the Greeks determined that, the NT later hence none of the quoted verses coming from the NT.
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  5125.  @KangenAlec  Yes, it can be proven by anybody who can actually think.
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  5126. You think it shocking that experts would be better informed than the willfully ignorant?
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  5127.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t provided any evidence to back your claims; how can somebody claiming to be so well educated be so incapable?
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  5128.  @Globeisahoax  Why do you have such difficulty understanding which way arrows point?
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  5129. They think everybody else has been deliberately miseducated on every branch of science & geography just to hide the fact the Earth is flat. They hail themselves as educated and aren’t fazed on being unable to explain anything.
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  5130.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer her question, but then you can’t answer anything, can you?
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  5131.  @travis2595  What do you think we do in labs?
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  5132.  @elvesdumangas6125  Everything has to be backed with methods & results. It’s easier for some people to disparage science then try getting their heads around the data or try reproducing it.
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  5133.  @Globeisahoax  Still no answer to what I said then?
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  5134.  @KangenAlec  WHy has nobody found this source while they were there? WHy can palnes fly across the ARctic Circle without observing all this extra land? Where is the room for this extra land? Do you think there is Tardis at the North Pole?
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  5135. They claim there is no gravity and that the dome is only thing containing the atmosphere; that would lead to equal pressure through the atmosphere (weather patterns aside) rather than the observed decline with altitude.
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  5136.  @tristenhoagland9747  My reply seems to be missing. FE’ers usually argue that somehow density acts as a force and makes things move down because down is the direction it moves things in.
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  5137.  @Globeishoax  In over two years you still haven’t produced any of your evidence. Are you having problems?
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  5138.  @KangenAlec  None of you have provided this FE map yet. And, no, the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  5139.  @KangenAlec  How did the Jesuits travel back to 500BC?
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  5140. There’s plenty of interaction and your lack of understanding is not disagreement on our part.
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  5141. Any crank can also post videos.
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  5142. They’re spheres, they’re flat, they don’t exist; take your pick.
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  5143.  @Globeishoax  Who has been forking out substantial bribes for 2500 years, how has there been perfect silence from millions of people of multiple professions in that time, to what gain and why can’t you answer any questions?
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  5144.  @Globeisahoax  Because none of you ever produce evidence, just ignorance & incredulity. You steadfastly refuse to answer questions, remember?
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  5145.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence for that and your explanation for why only a small misshapen area would be lit.
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  5146. It isn’t; this is an inappropriate subject for this video series.
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  5147. So FE’ers keep claiming.
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  5148. Motion of the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude; all that you can verify for yourself. Would you be lying to yourself?
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  5149.  @zoostew8354  All of what I listed give observations that are compatible only with a sphere and are contradictory to a FE. When you see the sun rise & set in contradiction to FE do you think that you lying to yourself?
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  5150.  @marwawa2733  You have no idea how scientific research is conducted.
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  5151. There is science that is well established by extensive evidence and there is scientific research at the cutting edge where evidence is slowly accumulating. In the latter provisional conclusions are drawn according to available evidence but can be altered as more evidence accumulates. That the Earth was a sphere was determined 2500 years ago. In the meantime we have accurately mapped the Earth’s surface, circumnavigated it and launched suave craft that orbit it taking pictures and measuring the exact shape to the cubic metre. There is no possibility we think the Earth is the wrong shape.
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  5152. You mean it relies on mutterings about conspiracies rather than actually producing plausible explanations and data.
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  5153.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained transpolar circumnavigations or even bothered to read the title of the Gleason projection.
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  5154. Why would the video have been cancelled if they had said Abrahamic religions? The video was made in the US where the majority religion is Christianity.
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  5155.  @KangenAlec  One of you needs to produce a map first.
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  5156.  @KangenAlec  How So?
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  5157. The video has been heavily edited. Motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude - all indicative of a globe, none explicable on a FE.
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  5158. Grrr, woof woof
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  5159.  @BrLaDu  Even if it was small & local it would remain visible around the clock, only shrinking as far as half its angular diameter relative to midday.
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  5160.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on your evidence....
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  5161. Partially true of Luke (written decades later rather than a century) but Matthew & John were two if the Disciples and Mark is thought to have been dictated by Peter, another Disciple.
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  5162. Someone as committed as Kangen would still insist it was flat regardless of how many orbits he made.
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  5163. Have you ever read a science paper and seen how they include methodology & results?
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  5164. Near real-time available on EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L websites.
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  5165. Your vacuum cleaner would create a pressure difference over an inch or so; Everest is 5.5 miles high. Two very different gradients and Earth’s gravity only needs match the latter. The atmosphere would reach an equilibrium over time. If the Earth’s gravity was too low to hold the atmosphere then it would dissipate; since it is strong enough to act against a shallow pressure gradient that is the equilibrium that has been reached.
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  5166.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  5167. It isn’t in question; it hasn’t been in question for 2500 years. A chap in an anti science religious bender resurrected the idea in the 19th century. Today’s idiots simply think “I don’t understand” is profound understanding.
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  5168.  @KangenAlec  Why would the default by flat rather than any other shape?
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  5169.  @dee8066  I can’t be bothered to watch yet another NASA conspiracy video but it will come down to invisible wires and compression artifacts etc
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  5170.  @Globeishoax  FE logical thinking is indeed faulty where it exists at all.
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  5171.  @Globeishoaxx  You were denying hemispheres earlier.
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  5172.  @KangenAlec  That’s a picture, an artist’s impression.
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  5173.  @Globeisahoax  And FE’ers are so deeply indoctrinated they deny the sun rises & sets.
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  5174.  @Globeishoaxx  How does the moon rise & set? How does everybody see the same face and phase?
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  5175. Accurate maps enable long distance travel and trade. Consider how many foreign components are inside your computer or phone.
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  5176.  @KangenAlec  Only break if you break up the syllables into multiple languages. Is there any conspiracy you won’t believe?
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  5177.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t produced your evidence of an endless lake; what’s the hold up?
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  5178.  @KangenAlec  On a FE it would be beyond the range of commercial aircraft.
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  5179. One More Orbit did it yet again a few years ago. The area of the ocean is prohibitive, rather than the depth; actually going down to the ocean bed is problem, but not the sonography. The pressure building up as you descend is far, far greater than the 1atm difference found in space; that is one reason space is easier.
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  5180.  @Globeisahoax  Telescooes require focussing and you still haven’t said how you determined the sun to be small & local.
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  5181. You could ascertain the Great A’Tuin’s sex with a bungee jump and a selfie 😊
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  5182.  @Globeisahoaxx  Who tried exactly?
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  5183.  @KangenAlec  Toy are shining example of the bottom of the Dunning-Kruger curve: you can’t answer any questions but remain convinced you know all the answers.
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  5184.  @KangenAlec  "it’s not a ground vision. No perspective" You're saying an airplane doesn't appear to get smaller because it's in the air?
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  5185.  @Globeishoaxx  "Scientifically impossible" Not on a globe, where the curvature results in the increasingly oblique angle of the ground towards the poles and the less sunshine per unit area. You highlight the inability of some FE'ers to even visualise a sphere and instead unwittingly assuming a cylindrical Earth when attempting to think it through.
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  5186.  @Globeishoax  It also means that the whole world would have day & night at the same time and he asked you to explain how what we actually observe would work on FE. Try doing it.
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  5187. ​ @Globeishoax  Cosmology had abundant evidence; that you don't want to know does not magically nullify it. mean while FE'ers boast about how much evidence but none of you (yourself included) are willing to produce it. That the Earth is globe can be verified by anybody; your mysterious Elite don't have the power to manipulate the sun & stars. If you think they do then you need to produce evidence to back that. ' Not knowing the difference between the scientific and vernacular meanings of theory is your willful ignorance. None of you have ever explained how density could act as force or why in a consistent direction; I've been asking you for over a year and you've never replied other than pouting and stamping your foot.
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  5188. Difficult as it is for some people to comprehend, you need to take into account all relevant factors when calculating how far you can see, not just the curvature, ie, observer elevation, object elevation and atmospheric refraction.
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  5189. Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are taking shots from geostationary orbit, EPIC from the L1 position, all immediately viewable & downloadable. The surface of the moon & Mars are fully photographed. Other planets have been extensively photographed, most recently Pluto. How many photos need to be taken?
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  5190.  @gaize1017  Just a frequently recurrent question.
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  5191. Nor do you tell people what’s in your poker hand.
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  5192.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  5193.  @KangenAlec  Still denying telescopes exist....
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  5194. Geodesy has the shape of the Earth mapped to the square metre and you aren’t satisfied that it isn’t flat?
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  5195. You mean like paleontology & genetics?
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  5196.  @brianmccauley339  We find missing links; you just demand the transitional animals either side of the missing link. You wouldn't be happy with a continuous line of descent laid out in front of you.
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  5197.  @KangenAlec  Gleason is a globe projection.
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  5198. The oblation is minimal; the deviation from a perfect sphere is a fraction of a percent. For most intents & purposes it can be described as a sphere.
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  5199. He believes Ali bought his degree, not earned it on merit.
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  5200.  @ashutoshbajpai3  To be charitable he probably thought he was stating a fact.
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  5201.  @Michaelhehe  Quite - you all claim to possess it but none of you ever produce it.
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  5202. Samuel Rowbotham in the 19th century; he went off on a religious anti-science bender.
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  5203.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t provided evidence for either. You’ve had over a year to provide what you claim is at your fingertips…
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  5204. The ancient Egyptians didn’t kniw; it was deduced by the Greeks around 2500 years ago. They did note the periodicity of eclipses which may be what you are thinking of.
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  5205. The Koran was written a millenium after the Earth was deduced to be a sphere .
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  5206. The few people with political control did not constitute a majority.
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  5207. Yeet FE theory in the vernacular meaning of theory. It doesn’t provide any explanations and isn’t backed by any fact, merely a fantastical idea someone has.
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  5208.  @KangenAlec  By professional I take it you mean those who money selling the idea to gullible fools?
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  5209.  @k.p.paveine3764  Fibau has been repeatedly & thoroughly debunked. Which claim impressed you?
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  5210.  @KangenAlec  Asking questions is trolling you? Have you considered actually producing the evidence you think you possess?
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  5211.  @k.p.paveine3764  That’s an interesting auto-correct 🤔 It should have said Dubay.
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  5212. If you wish to claim we are wrong about something then you need to come up with the evidence to back that claim.
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  5213.  @minimo3634  Which I didn't say. Anything we say has to be based on reproducible data; if the data is incomplete then we can be wrong. If you want to claim an explanation based on known data is wrong then you need to back that, not wave a hand dismissively.
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  5214.  @minimo3634  Because your original statement is used as a hand-waving argument to ignore scientific conclusions that people don’t want to hear. They ignore the fact that science is evidence-based and imply the conclusions are just opinions. By formulating hypotheses and testing them and thus accumulating more data.
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  5215. As I said, it gets used as handwaving argument to dismiss what people don’t want to hear.
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  5216. Rocket science is not designed to be difficult; it is difficult. It seems a common misconception that everything is simple.
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  5217.  @AjeetPratapSingh-ts9wo  The folks who put pen to paper in the OT assumed that the Earth was flat; that is sometimes reflected in their choice of words. Nowhere does it actually make statements about the shape of the Earth.
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  5218.  @AjeetPratapSingh-ts9wo  I said selectively interpreting verses. Someone has a preconclusion that they want to justify, read in what they want "between the lines" and ignore what doesn't support it. Open a novel and it will refer to contemporary society & its perceptions, practically of which is incidental to the plot.
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  5219.  @KangenAlec  Like a flat earth.
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  5220.  @Globeisahoax  You need to refute the maths and reconcile observable reality to your model(s). You claim you can do it so demonstrate.
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  5221. The Earth was deduced to be a globe c. 500BC. Columbus believed the Earth was much smaller than measured and Asia was thus within westwards sailing distance of Europe. He was wrong.
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  5222. EPIC, Himawari-8 & Elektro-L are taking several such pictures per hour, all immediately downloadable.
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  5223.  @KangenAlec  I take it you're deliberately unaware of what AR actually looks like.
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  5224. No joy.
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  5225.  @KangenAlec  Follow the film all the way up, through your impenetrable dome and into the space you deny exists.
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  5226.  @KangenAlec  Denial of reality on your part.
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  5227.  @KangenAlec  Why do you think there are only two possible shapes in the universe?
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  5228. ​ @KangenAlec  Why attack Hawaii when it would be much easier on a FE map to attack Alaska or Washington?
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  5229. D-Day was the Allied landings in France a few years later. A Japanese fleet sailed across the Pacific until it came within flight range of Hawaii; they could achieve that by sailing eastwards at a near constant altitude.
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  5230.  @Globeisahoax  How do you explain shadows on the moon?
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  5231.  @KangenAlec  There’s this concept called measurement...
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  5232.  @Globehoax  By your reasoning since it doesn’t specify flat or level then it can’t be either.
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  5233.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: the Gleason azimuthal projection is a globe map.
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  5234.  @KangenAlec  How are they unaffected by weather? How do they stay inflated?
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  5235.  @KangenAlec  You realise that the wreckage has long since been cleared?
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  5236. 1. Which science insists on measurement as the source of recorded data. 2a. Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles, cartography; something can be determined by indirect means. 2b. Is it realistic to think everything is collaboratively lying to you for no apparent purpose or just paranoid? 2c. It boils down to the accuracy & reproducibility of the data. 3. Science requires reproducible data.
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  5237.  @Globeisahoax  “If” does not make something a fact. Still waiting for your explanations how your predictions could possibly sync with observable reality. What’s taking you so long?
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  5238. We get ever closer to the truth.
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  5239.  D Gray  The change in distance to the sun is minimal and makes no significant difference. The Earth's axis is tilted which means the angle of the light reaching the different hemisphere's changes through the course of the year; the more direct the angle, the more heating occurs over a given area. A FE has no explanation for how the sun remains aloft or moves or changes motion or produces 24hr light in Antarctica; no explanation means exactly that, not that the FE explains it.
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  5240. A ship can reach the limit of visual acuity well before it reaches the horizon; as long as it hasn’t reached the horizon a telescope will bring it back into view. Once it has gone over the horizon no amount of zooming will bring it back. Some people have difficulty grasping an effect can have more than one cause.
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  5241. A hot air balloon wouldn’t go anywhere near as high enough. The ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a Globe from the motion of the sun, horizons, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude.
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  5242.  @jg122487  I’ve no idea why they bothered making such video on a subject that isn’t a matter of opinion. However, since FE’ers won’t accept any evidence contrary to their beliefs, strapping them to the balloon so they could observe it first hand would be insufficient.
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  5243.  @jg122487  We’re talking about people who insist the sun shrinks away to a dot.
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  5244.  @jg122487  Look up Morton’s demon.
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  5245.  @Globeisahoax  Amaze Mike with your stupidity - what magnification & camera resolution is necessary to take such shots?
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  5246. The balloon will pop when the difference in internal and atmospheric pressure exceeds the strength of the membrane; that will usually happen before the balloon gets high enough. Even at the height the best can reach tou would need to apply a ruler to the picture to see the horizon was curved.
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  5247.  @Globeisahoaxx  Nobody is saying they did.
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  5248. This isn't about subjective perception but the need to feel special as the bearers of The Truth even to the point where their claims clearly disagree with what they acknowledge to observe.
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  5249. What do you think we do in labs?
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  5250.  @KangenAlec  Then provide the evidence.
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  5251.  @Globeisahoax  A reference for religion, not science.
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  5252. It was deduced to be a sphere around 500BC based on the horizon, the sun’s movement and lunar eclipses. Magellan was 2000 years later.
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  5253.  @Globeisahoax  By the ball having more mass than you are capable of imagining.
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  5254. Yet again, motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. That’s how the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a globe. 8”/mile squared is a parabolic equation (not a circle) and is a rule of thumb fir geometric drop, not a formula for how far you can see.
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  5255.  @KangenAlec Yet again, wrong distance and the plane would visibly be over land, not water, on a FE.
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  5256. 2500 years; the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere. 500 years ago was the shift from a geocentric to a heliocentric system.
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  5257.  @KangenAlec  It would require a change in angular diameter and angular velocity, would never actually disappear from sight and would “rise & set” at very different places on the horizon. You claim to have the answers so explain why reality differs from what you’re claiming.
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  5258.  @KangenAlec  You think you can see something you can’t see because another object doesn’t collide with it?
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  5259. No, we don’t know what the Big Bang originated from nor do we claim to. The BB covers the expansion that started a tiny fraction of a second after the universe came into being.
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  5260.  @jagritz2  How do you know it came from God?
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  5261.  @jagritz2  Which doesn't require divine intervention to develop over time. You need to provide evidence of such divine intervention, not an incredulous "how else could it happen?".
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  5262.  @jagritz2  " i’m challenging your thinking" Hardly. The process is abiogenesis, not evolution, and is also an incremental process, not an instantaneous one. It requires a molecule capable of self-replicating, mostly likely a combination of RNA & oligopeptide, which itself would arise from random chemicals across a whole planet in the course of a billion years. In combination with the early lipids and tidal pools it would lead to a cyclical occurrence of tide receding and the underlying self-recombining molecule being able to retain necessary reagents as the pool shrank with the low tide. Incremental changes over time would lead to a sealed "cell" with with modified RNA & oligoprotein enhancing the replication process. Ultimately a shift from purely RNA to the incorporation of DNA in the replication created greater stability and the development of the lipids capable of forming a double layer would create the early primordial cell. No divine intervention required, just time. You're never going to repeat that whole in the lab without a billion years to spare. However the individual steps can be deduced, the properties of the necessary structures determined and the likely transitions demonstrated to be plausible. "i already know how they did" Believing something and knowing something are two quite different things. You can be as sure as you like with your beliefs but it won't turn a belief into evidence. If you think it is demonstrable then summon up a god to create something from nothing.
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  5263.  @jagritz2  Nobody is proposing that energy created intelligent beings; that's a strawman argument. The early universe consisted solely of energy, some of which eventually coalesced into fundamental particles.
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  5264.  @jagritz2  You asked about abiogenesis so I answered about abiogenesis. If you wanting to ask about pre-Big Bang then ask about pre-BB. The two events are 9-10 billion years apart.
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  5265.  @jagritz2  See my very first reply; we don't know what we preceded the Big Bang. We know there was expansion away from a singularity but we don't know how that singularity came to be or what initiated the expansion. There are various hypotheses but no definitive answers or explanations. In scientific terms, "God did it" requires both evidence of God's existence and that God was the initiating factor rather than anything else and evidence of the mechanism used; tapping on a Bible is not evidence. The evidential standards for scientific knowledge are the same whether you are theist or atheist' being theist does not magically absolve someone from the requirement to produce scientific evidence to back a claim. You realise that evolution concerns solely the development of living organisms and that the Big Bang is not a living organism?
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  5266.  @jagritz2  The house is obviously artificial compared to the land around it. What are you comparing the universe with? How do you conclude if yo be artificial? How do you conclude one particular entity caused the Big Bang? Edit: damn autocorrect changing words....
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  5267.  @mikegrace2819  The flat earthers were asked to participate because they are flat earthers. The scientists were asked to participate because they are scientists. Jubilee arranged a discussion that was flat earthers & scientists.
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  5268. She’s about close minded as you get. An object can pass beyond the range of your visual acuity well before it reaches the horizon; zooming in before it reaches the horizon says nothing of what happens when it does reach the horizon. Since the sun remains the same size and unmistakably is passing below the horizon then successfully zooming in on a recently set sun would be a good pint but we are still waiting on any FE’er to achieve that.
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  5269. “doctors falsely diagnose and prescribe medication for bonuses from big pharma” Evidence?
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  5270.  @Globeisahoax  When its been explained to you a 1000 times that the globe does not have a top & bottom, yes, repeatedly referring to it is shallow.
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  5271.  @mr.peanutbutter6969  Where's the clause in the Treaty precluding travel to Antarctica?
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  5272. A law is a description of a phenomenon, a theory is the explanation for how it occurs. They are two separate things and a theory is the highest "supported concept".
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  5273. 500BC through noting lunar eclipses and the horizon. A spherical Earth was the center point of the Ptolemaic model n 100AD.
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  5274. Geoid.
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  5275.  @KangenAlec  Nobody has looked for a wall or edge.
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  5276.  @Globeisahoax  How does the sun retain constant angular diameter & velocity? Why can’t people see more than one sun?
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  5277. Centrifugal force at the equator is <0.5% the strength of gravity; that’s why you don’t get flung off.
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  5278.  @KangenAlec  The sun observably maintains a constant angular diameter and angular velocity through the course of the day and rises & sets while FE’ers claim they vary and the sun doesn’t come within 20 degrees of the horizon.
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  5279. Samuel Rowbotham, 19th century Britain; he went off on a religious anti-science bender.
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  5280.  @KangenAlec  There's this concept called measurement....
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  5281. We’re talking millions of people currently and a conspiracy stretching back 2500 years. See Professor Dave’s latest video on the subject.
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  5282.  @Globeisahoax  Your mind blotted out mention of a telescope?
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  5283. As long as you understand the difference between belief and fact, that believing something to be true does not in itself make it a fact.
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  5284. People claiming science is all wrong and thus can be ignored when discussing the shape of the Earth but expect their cars & computers to work.
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  5285. Which found no indication of a dome or a mystical land “beyond” the South Pole. Have you ever considered checking what Byrd actually said?
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  5286.  @ljamal3563  Which is?
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  5287. It’s not mathematically impossible and the BB was not an explosion.
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  5288.  @KangenAlec  So when FE'ers hold up a NASA document that includes the word "flat" they are claiming that NASA knows the world isn't flat?
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  5289.  @Globeisahoax  You realise that anybody can read the Bible?
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  5290.  @KangenAlec  The technology became outdated over the course of 50 years; I don't why that is such a difficult concept for people who profess how brilliant they are.
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  5291. A theory is built on facts, it’s an explanation for the facts and us predictive.Facts aren’t necessarily simple.
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  5292. Elon Musk has spare seats on the car he sent up.
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  5293.  @KangenAlec  It doesn’t rise to eye level and that rocket didn’t go high enough.
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  5294.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: tilted axis and the moon orbiting Earth.
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  5295. Samuel Rowbotham, 19th century.
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  5296.  @Globeisahoax  I observe it maintaining a constant angular diameter & velocity, just as you'd expect from a distant sun. Still waiting on your explanation how for a FE sun could do that or what you did to measure the distance to the sun.
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  5297.  @KangenAlec  You can’t understand anything; that is not proof of anything but your idiocy.
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  5298. Check the SpaceX launches.
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  5299.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when down is toward the centre of the globe then there is no top or bottom . Very simple concept, just totally beyond your mental abilities.
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  5300. They had the very basics of natural philosophy.
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  5301.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus - motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude….
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  5302.  @KangenAlec  How?
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  5303.  @Globeishoaxx  It provides a consistent answer fir all if what observe while FE’ers can’t figure anything.
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  5304.  @Globeisahoax  Do you have evidence to back any of that or is it all your fevered imagination?
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  5305. The Koran was written long after it was established the Earth was a globe. The Bible has not gone through serial translations; most draw on the original Hebrew & Greek with minimal difference being found between different sources. "tell me how all of these things have been created with precise degree and point ?" Such as?
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  5306.  @Globeisahoax  Hiw difficult is it fir to explain why you think an artist’s impression evidence or why the FE sun would light only a limited misshapen area? Ive been asking you fir months and you still haven’t answered.
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  5307.  @KangenAlec  The orbit of the moon means we can see upto 190 degrees of the surface over time; it isn’t a disc.
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  5308.  @thantthuriya9060  True but they don’t consider how far you could still see. Weather aside on a FE we would be able to see several hundred miles, objects would not disappear from the bottom up and everything would disappear into a gradual haze rather than the horizon’s sharp cut off.
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  5309. Compression artifacts.
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  5310.  @KangenAlec  Which is an indirect observation of the curvature, not a direct one.
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  5311.  @KangenAlec  If they’re outside the impenetrable dome that nobody has gone to see them who saw them and how do you think anybody could reach them?
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  5312.  @Globeisahoax  Using the stars.
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  5313.  @tiny7t7  He doesn’t believe telescopes exist.
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  5314.  @tiny7t7  Denialism on his part; they would demonstrate he is wrong so he ignores their existence.
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  5315.  @elainetalling1797  The ones that nobody has seen, beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome that nobody can find any trace of. Apparently there is an invisible clause in the Antarctic Treaty forbidding travel in direct contradiction to what the rest says.
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  5316. The video has bern heavily edited.
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  5317.  @Globeisahoax  Motion of the sun & moon, horizons, two celestial poles, constellations changing with altitude - still waiting on FE 'ers like you to come up with explanations.
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  5318.  @anjolatope-babalola2338  Jubilee wanted a "middle ground" video, which can't be obtained with a one-way flow of evidence. "the search for knowledge and truth should not be mocked" Rejecting knowledge & information when undertaking the search can be mocked.
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  5319.  @anjolatope-babalola2338  And I'm explaining why the editing was done. Jubilee was making a "middle ground" video which inherently requires both parties to produce fairly equal cases; a one-way flow of evidence would be contradictory to their intent so the evidence was edited out. I can safely say the evidence was one-way because only ever produce ignorance & incredulity and never the Real Evidence, Real Map, Real Physics etc that they all claim to know.
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  5320.  @KangenAlec  He used his brain.
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  5321.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, doofus: motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles and lunar eclipses. Still waiting for FE’er explanations.
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  5322. Check Professor Dave's 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say. It's a good run down of their thinking processes.
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  5323. They have no notion as to how far they should be able to see from a given point.
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  5324. Looking over evidence, determining its validity (what errors may occur in collection) and applying reasoning to check the validity of the conclusions (errors, alternatives). To some people critical thinking simply means raising arguments from ignorance & incredulity rather than actual thinking. If someone claims to be a critical thinker then generally there is little thinking involved.
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  5325. It is. It was taken in a single frame on an analogue camera in 1973 as Apollo 17 returned to Earth.
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  5326.  @Globeisahoax  How did David Weiss go without actually going? Why can't he provide the evidence Scarlet Witch is requesting? Did he not think to take a picture while he wasn't there?
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  5327. It's a slow process; there aren't going to be rapid changes from generation to generation.
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  5328.  @KangenAlec  You're complaining about people not replying?
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  5329.  @louiscantu6461  Which comment are you saying ha ha to?
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  5330.  @KangenAlec  Our senses show the sun rising & setting while maintaining a viva tang angular diameter and angular velocity just like it wouldn’t on a FE.
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  5331. They usually avoid looking and make claims about NASA fiddling with everyone's telescopes.
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  5332.  @KangenAlec  Do you know what the I in ISS stands for?
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  5333.  @Globeishoaxx  Why cant any if you provide snswrs & explanations?
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  5334. It isn’t taught to be any particular shape.
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  5335.  @Globeishoaxx  Is a tetrahedron spherical or flat?
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  5336.  @yankeedoodle3355  You’re conflating the vernacular with the philosophical.
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  5337.  @yankeedoodle3355  Arxiv and PubMed are not difficult to find and publicly accessible. Did you think to look before you started wailing?
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  5338.  @yankeedoodle3355  Every research paper lays out the methodology, the results and the conclusions; all hard fact. There is an abundance of those papers on the two databases I directed you to; stop spouting off and actually look. None of you can ever say what you think the holes in theories are; do you want to try?
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  5339. Yes.
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  5340.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, when down is towards the centre of the Earth then there is no top or bottom. You really are dim.
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  5341.  @KangenAlec  We don’t study YT videos; we actually test and measure to determine truth, eg, measuring the distance to the sun with basic maths rather than just eyeballing it.
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  5342. No. There are people who look to the Bible for positive confirmation of what they want to believe.
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  5343.  @KangenAlec  What’s your evidence that the world is flat?
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  5344. 1a: Explain why you think 1970 technology, materials, computers etc are compatible with those of 2020. 1b: Explain why you think the Mars Rovers would require human life support. 2a. Because the stars are distant, generally in the 10-1000 light years away, and moving in the same direction as the sun. 2b. Explain why you think 10,000 years worth of change would be apparent from day to day. 3. Explain why parallel train tracks shouldn't appear to diverge as they approach you. 4a. For the stated purpose of avoiding military competition in an inhospitable climate. 4b. It's readily downloadable. Specify which clause supposedly forbids travel to Antarctica. 5a. By dividing circumference by time as anybody can do. 5b. Explain where you think arithmetic should change with time. 6. It isn't and they don't. 7a. Explain how you think a prominent white grid on said screen would not interfere with it being a blue screen. 7b. If you it wouldn't, then explain why studios all use blue-only screens. 8a. Blue Marble (1972) and Earthrise were taken in single frame shots on an analogue camera. 8b. Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC collectively produce multiple full hemisphere shots per hour. Explain why you think they would need to use a wide angle shots from their orbital distances. 9. How much curvature would you expect to see from a globe on the inside camera at that altitude and why? 10. The atmosphere alters the light as it enters it; it's how we get a blue sky during the day time. 11a. Provide an example of such editing. 11b. Explain why you you think video compression errors wouldn't occur. 12. Free-fall, lasting about 30 sec. Explain how you think it is possible to shoot a 30min video in 30 sec. 13a. The rocket slowed and stopped when the engines shut off as programmed. 13b. Explain why you think a camera impacting a dome at a few hundred miles an hour wouldn't even be jarred. 14a. It's the International Space Station, not National. That is why it is referred to as the ISS, not the NSS. 14b. Explain where you saw a can of tuna on the ISS. These are the obvious questions that FE'es are never able to answer. Prove me wrong.
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  5345. What do you think we have labs for?
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  5346.  @KangenAlec  Why doesn’t the sun behave as you predict?
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  5347. Scientific theories are based on evidence; they make accurate predictions which increases the evidence. It’s important you understand what you’re doing when performing experiments, eg, correct maths, correct methods, account for confounding factors. Screwing up means you have screwed up, not disproven centuries of evidence.
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  5348.  @hmziyan  FE’ers have a problem grasping the concept of a 3D map; you have to be clear you aren’t referring to a 2D projection when talking about straight lines.
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  5349.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting in your evidence that it is so and your explanation how that matches the artist’s impression in the video that you were hailing as definitive.
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  5350. Also watch Professor Dave’s 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say, which runs you through the faulty reasoning that FE’ers rely on.
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  5351.  @KangenAlec  Still denying telescopes exist...
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  5352. Open minded means willing to listen to and think about other claims; when said claims are crap it is not close minded to refuse to change your mind.
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  5353. If they need more ballast on the test flights....
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  5354.  @thebluebee22  He's adamant that it's all filmed at Hollywood, his sole piece of evidence being a line in a song.
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  5355. Perhaps Zeus has a wormhole for a butthole?
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  5356.  @KangenAlec  Do you want to quote this "law of perspective"?
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  5357. You can’t have a “middle ground” video in which the evidence is one-sided so they cut out the evidence.
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  5358.  @KangenAlec  There plenty demonstrating that the Earth is a sphere and in FE’ers can come up with viable explanations for how the evidence fits a FE.
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  5359.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t produced any evidence.
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  5360.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: there's these things called telescopes...
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  5361. The trouble is that when you tell some people that something can’t be proven 100% they promptly assume that you have no substantial evidence to back what almost certainly true.
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  5362.  @Globeisahoax  Because you can't understand concepts like measurement...
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  5363.  @Globeisahoax  We do supply verifiable evidence that the Earth is a globe but you just block us and shine that nobody is answering your questions.
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  5364.  @KangenAlec  How does Rob Skiba explain lunar eclipses?
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  5365.  @KangenAlec  Since the tilt is 23.4 degrees and the speed about 67,000 mph one would hope not. It doesn’t mention cars either; are you saying they don’t exist?
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  5366. He needs to take a walk around the Tropics of Cancer & Capricorn and see if they are different distances.
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  5367.  @KangenAlec  Where is the clause in the Antarctic Treaty banning travel?
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  5368.  @KangenAlec  Asks the man who can't produce any evidence to back his claims.
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  5369.  @KangenAlec  And yet it triangulates nicely and consistently as millions of miles away. You still haven’t actually explained why it would only illuminate part of a FE.
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  5370. Haeckel did a lot of legitimate work; the legit sketches were of use. No, the evidence has not been disproved and has steadily increased since the Scopes trial.
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  5371.  @lllllllllll1164  He was involved in the early years of embryology and essentially got carried away on his ego and saw more in embryos than was actually there. Some of his sketches were accurate; that some were over-detailed (to be polite) doesn't invalidate those. Though the latter did make it into some textbooks it was the former that persisted until more recently. That some were fraudulent does not disprove evolution or remove any significant part of the evidence.
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  5372.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence. What’s so difficult about producing it?
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  5373. If only they exercised that freedom.
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  5374.  @KangenAlec  You need to produce evidence to disprove something.
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  5375.  @KangenAlec  You really object to telescopes' existence, don't you?
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  5376. 1970 technology isn’t compatible with 2020 technology. Try putting a 5.25” floppy into your smartphone.
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  5377.  @Globeisahoaxx  Still denying telescopes exist? You still haven’t said how you measured the distance to the FE sun. What’s taking so long?
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  5378. There is a Hebrew word nassa or nasha which means deceive; conspiracy theorists claim NASA = nassa, think a body intent on keeping a monumental secret would openly advertise its purpose and assiduously ignore the fact that there is Hebrew word nasa (life or raise).
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  5379. EPIC (US), Himawari-8 (Japan) and Elektro-L (Russia) are downloading several such shots per hour, all immediately accessible. How many do you need?
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  5380.  @KangenAlec  "Flat earth facts are coming out" That would make a change. How does the sun rise & set?
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  5381.  @PeterMKooiman  It's been explained to him over and over but it requires more thinking than his brain can handle.
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  5382.  @KangenAlec  The Ptolemaic system c. 100AD was based on a spherical Earth. How are you saying the Jesuits managed that?
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  5383.  @KangenAlec  There isn’t a working FEmap so it is impossible to find one in Instagram. If you think otherwise then produce a copy yourself.
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  5384.  @Globeishoaxx  Answer his question - why do we see differing constellations when FE says we should all see the same?
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  5385. The light coming to our eyes can be bent en route; consequently we perceive the object as being in a different place to actuality.
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  5386.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how the FE sun would maintain a constant angular diameter & velocity and rise & set without coming within 20 degrees of the horizon. What is taking you so long? People might think you don’t have the answers.
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  5387.  @KangenAlec  Which doesn’t answer his question. Still no evidence to back any of that? The Treaty is downloadable; cite the relevant clauses.
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  5388. The Koran was written about 1000 years after it was determined the Earth was a sphere and the Ptolemaic system was accepted by anyone with education.
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  5389. The video has been greatly edited, with discussion being cur short early into each question; that something is missing does not mean it didn't occur. I've been asking FEer's about 2 for years since they insist it should be whizzing around in a blur but no joy yet.
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  5390.  @KangenAlec  Do I need to run you through it again?
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  5391.  @KangenAlec  Let me guess - you eyeballed the distance and pulled a number out of your arse? How does a dome have a set altitude exactly?
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  5392. They haven’t been caught; various ignorami claim to have evidence but all they do is flaunt their ignorance.
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  5393.  @KangenAlec  Do I need to run you through it yet again?
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  5394.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  5395. That all information doesn't automatically materialise on your desktop does not mean something is being kept hidden.
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  5396.  @briansacount5  Unfortunately I've had decades of commenters who believe that their being unaware of something means that something has been kept hidden by the Powers That Be. They have no problem accepting that they can know something other people don't but seem to have a problem with the reverse. "the strict filter they have been known to impose on the flow of information" Example? Most research is not carried out in government institutes but in companies & universities. With the latter, publication of data & conclusions is the basis of careers; we don't have to have anything vetted by governments prior to publishing.
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  5397.  @briansacount5  Galileo found himself in trouble because his work directly undermined the Church's authority. What kind of medical breakthroughs? All the examples that get provided are initial discoveries that don't pan out in the long run, (i.e., what works in a cell culture doesn't automatically work in a full organism or have similar effect in a human) or treatments that are hailed as "miracle cures" because they were abandoned when they were found to be useless or simply supplanted by more efficacious treatment. There are some which are promising in the early stages but aren't actively pursued for the simply reason that there is a limited amount of money; the more promising project is more likely to be picked for the gamble. I think there is a difference between a company keeping their work secret (it is a financial investment and they want to recoup the money with a marketable product) and the suppression of information with the intent of keeping people ignorant. In academia you want to keep quiet about something prior to publication simply because the credit goes to the guy who publishes first.
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  5398.  @KangenAlec  Show the relevant clauses in the Antarctic Treaty.
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  5399. Any hypothesis does have to be consistent with all available evidence (data error aside). You arrive at a reasonable model by eliminating incorrect hypotheses.
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  5400.  @lllllllllll1164  Different translations from the original text. Translation is difficult when you have to account for colloquial & cultural factors while doing it, so there are relatively minor differences between them but they could convey different meanings to readers.
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  5401.  @BunnieWabbit  How did they remove them from the Dead Sea Scrolls?
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  5402.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason azimuthal projection isn’t a FE map.
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  5403. Translations usually start with the original Greek & Hebrew to minimise such problems.
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  5404. They’d claim the windows are just monitors playing CGI, that they’re floating due to intangible invisible wires and spend their time trying to open the airlock to prove they’re in a studio.
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  5405.  @KangenAlec  Only If there is a hurricane.
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  5406.  @Globeisahoax  Still ignoring the existence of telescopes then…
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  5407.  @KangenAlec  You mean you don't know what he's referring to?
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  5408. Gravity, the same thing that keeps you attached. At the equator the centrifugal force is about 0.5% that of gravity so the water dies not fly but does “bulge”.
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  5409.  @KangenAlec  A planet does not have a top or bottom since “down” is towards its centre. Like other FE’ers you’re just incapable of grasping scale.
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  5410. It’s YT’s insertion.
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  5411.  @KangenAlec  If YT was censuring the video you wouldn’t be able to watch it. Do you think at all before typing?
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  5412. Example? Bear in mind that over-simplification is not lying but the problems of communication and that the effects of image & video compression say nothing about the original picture.
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  5413.  @KangenAlec  Really? I keep answering you; what magnification and camera resolution do you think that would require?
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  5414.  @bobbyfischersays1262  You need to focus the telescope.
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  5415.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  He's corrected his typo; there was a double space after "Globe" that indicated he had edited the actual statement.
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  5416. @Lantlo Greek medicine.
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  5417. Jelly eyes?
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  5418.  @_uwu_9992  The OP said to look out of the window with jelly eyes.
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  5419. "complicated and sophisticated things just waiting to be explained" And "God did it" is not an explanation.
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  5420. How does the sun make night without setting?
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  5421. A boat can pass beyond your visual acuity long before it reaches the horizon; you can zoom it back into view before it reaches the horizon but not after. When testing something you need to make a prediction which in this case means correctly calculating the distance to the horizon, not assuming if it using a rule if thumb you’ve been told works. You certainly can’t assume visual acuity and the horizon are the same thing and claim to have disproved the horizon. Try zooming the set sun back into view.
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  5422. I would also note that Jubilee has heavily edited the video, hence the abrupt cutoffs. You can’t criticise scientists for not producing evidence when you don’t know what is in the cut parts.
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  5423.  @KangenAlec  Cosmonauts?
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  5424.  @KangenAlec  How did NASA film cosmonauts at the height of the Cold WAr?
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  5425.  @KangenAlec  If NASA’s photography is as unreliable as you wish people to believe then how do you conclude that they could have proven anything?
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  5426.  @Globeisahoax  Measurably so while FE’ers can’t figure out triangulation and consider eyeballing to be the only form of measurement. You have real difficulty comprehending north & south are not synonymous to up & down.
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  5427.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven't explained how you could fit a nanobot down a needle a fraction of its size. What's the hold up?
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  5428.  @Globeisahoax  Still denying telescopes I see…
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  5429. War of the Worlds was speculative fiction that assumed intelligent life on Mars was a possibility. The moon is barren, something that was determined by probes years before the manned missions. The Cold War propaganda value of live transmission was far greater than taking the risk from an extremely improbable risk of landing on a Klingon outpost.
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  5430. What evidence did Enoch supply?
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  5431.  @justinalexander2061  And Terry Pratchett described Discworld in great detail. I asked you what evidence Enoch provided.
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  5432.  @KangenAlec  You can observe the sun following a different path to that claimed for FE; why haven't you tried explaining it yet?
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  5433.  @dhanashreemehar  He only uses the ones that rely solely on 8”/mile^2.
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  5434.  @dhanashreemehar  Try metabunk earth curve calculator which both calculates & explains or Walter Bislin’s calculator that goes down to the mathematical details (complex).
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  5435. Deduced about 500BC. In the 19th century there was a chap in Britain who didn't like science encroaching on religious explanation for life, the universe & everything and went off on a religious bender claiming science was all wrong, including determining the Earth wasn't flat.
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  5436.  @KangenAlec  You don't get "moving flickering lights" with a telescope, only with a camera with an over-extended digital zoom.
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  5437.  @Globeisahoax  No he didn't, you still haven't provided evidence such a pact exists and there is no restriction on which areas you can visit. Even if areas were restricted you still haven't explained how you think the 24hr sun is being faked.
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  5438. You realise a model is intended to be a representation of reality and is built in evidence? That it has to explain all the evidence and be accurately & reliably predictive?
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  5439. The space garbage is too small to be seen on a planet scale photo.
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  5440.  @KangenAlec  First find a FE map to put on Instagram.
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  5441. How does water observe its environment, make decisions and move itself?
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  5442. @Luke Skyballer Is he your father Luke?
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  5443.  @i_likemen5614  Ignorance is knowledge?
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  5444. Preferably noting that they are conflating two different pictures.
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  5445.  @joshboston2323  The video appears to be heavily edited, cutting off early with each question. They may well have done in the outtakes.
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  5446.  @KangenAlec  You’re assuming that an ordinary camera lens can catch a sufficiently wide angle. You’re bedazzled by the large number for altitude and ignoring all the other relevant factors.
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  5447. If “Let there be light” is the beginning of creation then where did the waters come from?
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  5448.  @gerardlandry996  Earth without form refers to absence of dry land, something which is described as rising out of the water later. You said creation is described like the Big Bang so I’m asking where the waters came from when they preceded the first step of creating light.
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  5449. I would note that roundness most probably refers to people noticing a distant horizon encircled them.
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  5450.  @KangenAlec  Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris and two celestial poles.
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  5451.  @dirkardostevergreen4827  Going by prior evidence, most probably the latter 😊
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  5452.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your explanation for how a FE could buoyancy without the necessary gravity.
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  5453.  @KangenAlec  Do you have any clue of the magnification necessary to do that?
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  5454.  @Globeisahoax  Where are all the bodies?
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  5455.  @Globeisahoaxx  ​ Over two years and still waiting on you to provide any evidence of that or explain how it could work.
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  5456.  @KangenAlec  Why does the observable motion of the sun differ from what FE’ers claim?
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  5457.  @KangenAlec  Why does the observable motion of the sun differ from what FE’ers claim?
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  5458.  @KangenAlec  23.4 degrees.
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  5459.  @KangenAlec  It's FE'ers that say that since you can't think beyond a universal down.
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  5460. Conservation of momentum; when you throw a ball it continues moving when it leaves your hand; jump while travelling on a plane and you don't smash into the rear bulkhead. When the helicopter takes off vertically it continues moving eastwards at the same speed as when it was on the ground. What is so difficult to understand? The rotation of the Earth is demonstrable with gyroscopes, the orbit of Earth by stellar parallax. When you, the Earth, the atmosphere and the mountain are all rotating at the same speed in the same direction there is sod all difference in speed & direction for you to observe.
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  5461.  @jackk1583  "with NO compensation for spin" Conservation of momentum. When they continue moving with the Earth and atmosphere why the hell would they need to do anything more to move with Earth & atmosphere? Why do you think the ball keeps moving when you throw it?
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  5462.  @jackk1583  You're saying pseudoscience makes the ball keeps moving? "What do amusement park rides preach?" Multiple forces can act simultaneously to achieve a net effect. "Study WHY ships disappear over a false horizon" A snake-oil salesman declares the limit of visual acuity to be the horizon, then says it just visual acuity, don't actually do anything to test or question the horizon and the gullible lap up it up.
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  5463.  @kwiebus24  He's not interested in what someone can observe for themselves; what his gurus tell him is far more important to him.
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  5464. The video has been heavily edited (by Jubilee), something apparent from the abrupt ceasing of debate after each question. You can’t criticise or assume content of something you haven’t seen.
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  5465. "The Bible is a science book, it teaches science" It's a religious text, not science. It teaches a moral code and makes reference to social history but is not a science textbook, much less the only science textbook. Chaos is anything but random. Why can't you have predictability? A scientific theory is not a guess or hunch; that is the vernacular meaning of theory. We can predict gravity will be there in five minutes time; if you there is a significant possibility it won't then you need to explain why.
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  5466.  @x2dreamer348  The word science is derived from the Latin scienta. I said that the Bible was not science textbook, not that it didn't contain knowledge. It does not contain any information useful to me in the lab; folks 2000-3000 years ago had no concept of what I work on. You can predict probabilities from chaos; you can't make any predictions from random. You can predict gravity because the science exists; that gravity isn't mentioned in the Bible does not mean it doesn't exist. You're assuming scientific laws require an intelligent design; it is not a fact however much you would like to believe so. Lack of evidence for intelligent design does not prove it exists or that scientific laws don't exist. That's quite a line of strawmen on your part.
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  5467.  @x2dreamer348  At what point did I say anything of child molesters?
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  5468. And had a pantheon.
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  5469.  @raimundematiusaityte9929  Depends where you are standing, another point that disproves their model.
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  5470.  @sovereignsaiyans3057  Criticism: the expression of disapproval of someone or something based on perceived faults or mistakes. That does describe the OP.
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  5471.  @sovereignsaiyans3057  If you don't know how the conclusion is reached or what evidence the conclusion is based on then you are no position to poke holes in that process. "I don't know how it can be done therefore I know it can't be done" is not a logical assumption or argument. Unlike God, the Big Bang left detectable traces behind from which past events can be determined. There is no requirement to personally witness something occur to know that it has occurred any more than the Earth has to be viewed from space to determine its shape.
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  5472. The Bible suggests whales are fish, storms are God’s anger and that there is an endless supply of water in the sky.
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  5473.  @Patrick-qt3jb  Where do the clouds fill from?
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  5474.  @Patrick-qt3jb  No mention of the water cycle in the Bible; it is quite specific about water being separated into two discrete bodies of water. Any and every narrative about human life will contain references to the world around because they interact with that world. The sun does not rise & set because it says it should in the Bible; the Bible reflects he observations of the writers. Any narrative could be hailed as the go-to book; The Lord of the Rings refers to all the same phenomena.
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  5475.  @toymak3275  I understand fine; why can’t you answer my questions?
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  5476.  @toymak3275  I was too complex for you?
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  5477.  @Globeisahoax  His point went straight over your head.
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  5478. "Their messiah is Paul" No.
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  5479.  @jcollins934  You're elevating personal belief above verifiable fact. The sun measurably has a constant angular diameter and angular velocity and can be observed to rise & set at predicted times & direction; an explanation that predicts variable velocity & diameter and has the sun remaining well above the horizon at all times is not a valid explanation for what is observed. I may have to respect the right of someone to hold a belief but there is no obligation on me to not point out why the belief is incorrect, for me to treat beliefs as facts or regard beliefs as transcending facts. Long distance travel & trade requires accurate maps; knowing the shape of Earth impacts your life.
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  5480.  @zrcubleka4492  He believes it to be flat and hasn’t realised that the Gleason map is an azimuthal projection of the globe. He has no concept of how planes make flights.
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  5481.  @KangenAlec  How do you make a circumpolar flight on a FE?
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  5482. The video has been heavily edited.
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  5483. Motion of the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles; all readily observable and that it isn't flat was settled a long time ago.
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  5484.  @gabeu5469  You're telling the people who replied that they didn't reply? If Unidentified Flying Objects were known to belong to extraterrestials then they would not be unidentified. To be accepted as a scientist you need to demonstrate that you rely on evidence, not assumptions or wishful thinking.
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  5485.  @gabeu5469  And unidentified. If they are known to belong to extraterrestials then they would be identified as alien vessels, not unidentified.
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  5486.  @gabeu5469  They can say it but either avoid giving details or have used the wrong maths (wrong equations) or ignored key factors (elevation, refraction).
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  5487. No, that’s science. Which factors need to be accounted for is not a matter of political opinion.
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  5488. Cameras on every SpaceX launch.
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  5489.  @KangenAlec  Diesnt answer his question and the Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  5490. It’s an acronym for National Aeronautics and Space Administration. If you mean nasa in Hebrew then it means lift or raise.
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  5491.  @KangenAlec  What restricts the area? Why does the sun always appear circular?
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  5492.  @KangenAlec  Gleason projection is a globe map. Why can't you produce a FE map?
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  5493.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map. You need to come up with the "Real Map" that you all claim to possess.
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  5494.  @KangenAlec  The Gleason projection is not a FE map. You need to come up with the "Real Map" that you all claim to possess.
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  5495. Given that the purpose of an experiment is to disprove a hypothesis why would you not start with a testable prediction? What kind of structure do you think an experiment should have?
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  5496. ​ @jakeeus  "there are a lot of lies and deceptive behaviors coming from authorities regarding space" A claim that would be convincing if anybody could actually come up with a plausible example. Seeing invisible wires, confusing a training pool with actually spacewalks and not understanding data compression errors is not such evidence. "having a theory you are trying to prove/disprove is different to have a pre defined outcome" You mean not designing an experiment to arrive at a pre-determined outcome. All experiments will have an outcome, hypotheses are used to predict outcomes and there will be expected outcomes according to the hypothesis. Experiments are designed to arrive at (as much as possible) a clear outcome but should not be deliberately designed to arrive at a desired outcome. "corporations sponsor science as a marketing tool to get the stats they want" Nothing so blatant usually. All research costs money and represents a significant investment that a company hopes to get a return on. Arriving at results that differ from everyone else's is a waste of money. What can happen is unconcious bias, where the lines of research that are more likely to achieve favourable results can be preferred; it's not a deliberate choice on that criterion.
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  5497.  @KangenAlec  How do you enslave a dead populace?
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  5498. "Very late" was 500BC.
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  5499.  @yaboilemonboi5223  He's the school of "there just gotta be a conspiracy 'cos there can't not be". He will apparently believe anything told him but can't come out with any coherent explanations despite telling people how enlightened he is. I suggest you try Professor Dave's 10 Things All Flat Earthers Say; he runs through the reasoning and it's a good place to start.
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  5500. FE’ers can’t figure out how to use telescope; they usually just ignore their existence unless trying to zoom boats back into view.
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  5501.  @KangenAlec  Once again, the geocentric model was based on a spherical Earth (something you can easily verify for yourself), the sun & moon bering "above & under" requires them to be in two places at once, you still provided any evidence of a dome and you now need to provide evidence of unscalable mountains.
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  5502. Nelson Martinez Nelson Martinez Bungling experiments dies not give you definitive answers; you can’t ignore factors and assume they won’t have an effect simply because you aren’t interested in them. Look up the meaning of image in a dictionary. There are pictures taken from Apollo missions (Blue Marble & Earthrise) that are captured on one frame of film. Himawari-8, Elektro-L and EPIC are collectively taking several single frame, full hemisphere shots per hour, all immediately downloadable. Down is towards the centre of the Earth, not some mystical plane beyond the South Pole. Total incomprehension by FE’ers about centrifugal force and no explanation ever forthcoming about what they think would pull water off Earth. The Earth is 25,000 miles in circumference, not 25 miles; you aren’t going to the curvature (ground or water) of the latter on the former. Twits zooming in on ships before they reach the horizon is not evidence that the horizon doesn’t exist. Still waiting on any FE’er to zoom the set sun back into view. The Apollo telemetry is accessible. The tapes they were originally recorded on have the gone the same way as floppies. It does seem beyond some people’s comprehension that data is transferable. You can’t isolate a force. Cavendish & Scheihallion experiments demonstrate the existence of gravity; how many times do they need to be replicated to satisfy that they have been done?
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  5503.  @KangenAlec  Which nicely demonstrates your depth of idiocy.
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  5504. As long as you're prepared to use a telescope (and actually focus it) but FE'er generally refuse to do that.
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  5505.  @Globeisahoax  You haven't produced any evidence that indicates that it is. None of you have. You can't even acknowledge the existence of telescopes.
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  5506. Theory is the highest. A law describes a phenomenon, a theory is the explanation for how it works.
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  5507. I can say with reasonable certainty that she used 8”/mile^2 which assume no atmospheric refraction and no elevation of object or observer.
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  5508. More that we can see where the FE’ers are wrong and they can’t even when it is explained to them where & why they are wrong.
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  5509. 4.5 billion years; the universe is only 13.5 billion years old.
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  5510. Given a sphere with a 25,000 mile circumference how many degrees curvature per mile would you expect to find?
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  5511.  @Globeisahoax  You seem intent on saying "the Earth is flat" a million times.
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  5512. The video has been heavily edited which is why it cuts out so quickly in each discussion.
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  5513. You realise FE’ers are greatly outnumbered?
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  5514. ​ @KangenAlec  Triangulation. That requires maths so it's beyond FE'ers comprehension.
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  5515. A lunar eclipse is; the shadow of the Earth as it passes over the moon is always circular; only a sphere has circular cross-section from every angle. FE'ers just claim there is a totally undetectable heavenly nobody that briefly turns black & opaque at just the right moment because....well, because.
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  5516.  @KangenAlec  There's these things called telescopes....
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  5517.  @Globeishoax  Still waiting on your evidence for the sun being small & local....
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  5518. The FES was founded for the humour. Unfortunately there are various idiots willing to buy what snake oil sellers offer.
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  5519.  @KangenAlec  Why does Dubay delete any questions?
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  5520. "scientists/people of science are atheists" A vey eclectic mix in actuality.
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  5521. The video has been heavily edited, hence the abrupt cuts. You don’t know what was said in the outtakes.
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  5522.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on the FE explanation for the observed motion of the sun. Meanwhile any Tom, Dick or Harry can demonstrate curvature.
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  5523. ​ @KangenAlec  Why does FE land look like water?
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  5524.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t said what magnification and camera resolution that would require. What’s the hold up?
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  5525.  @KangenAlec  How were they using Photoshop thirty years before Photoshop existed? How are they making everybody’s pictures?
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  5526. FE’ers keep saying they have evidence but they never produce it, just keep repeating the same errors & misconceptions. In science we have to publish the evidence and something is not accepted until it has been repeatedly verified. There is a branch of science called geodesics which is for ever mire accurate measurements of the Earth. It is not a belief; it’s long established fact.
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  5527.  @Globeisahoax  You’re asking if a globe has a centre? What do you think would be there. Answer is seismology. That you don’t want to know is not proof seismology doesn’t exist.
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  5528.  @KangenAlec  Explain circumpolar flights.
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  5529.  @KangenAlec  He ignores them. How do you explain them?
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  5530.  @Globeisahoax  Yet again, motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris matching latitude, two celestial poles and constellations varying with latitude.
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  5531.  @Globeisahoax  You still regard eyeballing to be the only form of measurement?
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  5532.  @DeepVale  I don’t know whether he meant conclusion as in reasoning or result as in the design of a FE’er experiment. I’m just trying to make it clear that scientists don’t start from the conclusion as FE’ers do but that the starting premise is backed by prior work.
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  5533.  @DeepVale  I saw conclusion as something I would draw from the results (data). Whether deliberately or simply by copying, FE’er’s experiments are designed to arrive at the desired results by ignoring significant factors, eg, elevation.
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  5534. Yet everything ads up fine on a globe no FE model does. Explain what you understand by adding up.
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  5535. You don't need to directly observe something to know that it is true (radio waves being an obvious example given today's prevalence of mobile phones & wi-fi). The ancient Greeks figure it out from the movement of the sun, lunar eclipses and horizon. You can figure it out for yourself using sticks & shadow or triangulating latitude to the angle of Polaris.
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  5536. Such as? Please be novel.
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  5537.  @ThisReckless  We can back it with reproducible evidence and tell you how you can verify that the Earth is a sphere for yourself. FE’ers evidence runs along the line of using the wring maths and ignoring key factors then demanding explanations for why they get the wrong answers.
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  5538.  @ThisReckless  No, she wanted to the Earth to be flat because of her dead husband and looked at FE videos and conducted bungled experiments to satisfy that need. As we are endlessly pointing out the FE evidence relies on such as wrong maths & ignoring key factors; that is what is used in FE'ers super-duper conclusive experiments. Do you have anythign novel to bring to the discussion?
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  5539.  @ThisReckless  Third time: the “evidence” FE’ers produce is dependent on wrong maths and ignoring key details. You just did it quoting 8” per mile squared to Luke.
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  5540.  @ThisReckless  No thought how high you would need to be to directly viee curvature, just an assumption that “up in the air” suffices.
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  5541.  @ThisReckless  1,200 miles by going substantially higher than a plane.
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  5542.  @ThisReckless  That the Earth could be flat was disproven 2500 years ago. Still waiting fir FE explanations for the motion of sun & stars; you just deny what is ibservable. Since then the Earth has been comprehensively mapped & measured and, in recent decades, photographed from ever angle. Your explanation is denial & fraud. You all keep claiming you have the Real Evidence, Real Maps, Real Physics etc but none of you ever produce them. You just keep saying that you can see too far, Gleason and density is a force with no actual thought to what you are saying.
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  5543.  @ThisReckless  A 1200 mile horizon requires around 150 miles elevation; it’s a low orbit satellite shot, not from a plane.
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  5544.  @ThisReckless  "And secondly, your assumption that we can see more plain of the earth, the higher up we go; because the earth is curved, makes no sense. If that were the case then we could see the back of the earth which would be impossible unless you have x ray vision or some other super hero power. " As I pointed out to you, you can potentially see half the circumference of a sphere. When there is a circumference of 24,900 miles a view of 1200 miles does not mean you are seeing around the back. You can potentially see 12,000 miles, which is 10-fold the distance you want explaining. Those zeros on the end of a number have meaning. You can see curvature directly when you can see sufficiently wide arc on a sphere. Himawari-8, Elektro-L & EPIC take several such shots per hour. At short distance (the ones you are actually talking about) the curvature is gradual to be apparent to the eye and has to be measured. The peer review you are asking for are maps such as that used by GPS. "That involves the earth and can be seen by any individual in the field." You seem to be having problems grasping the relationship of distance & size. "Everything we are observing clearly shows the earth is a plain" When you visually can't distinguish between two shapes you can't reach any conclusion about the shape. "you can do the tests yourself" Which use incorrect maths and ignore key factors. Seen it all before.
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  5545.  @Globeisahoax  Back to denying telescopes, I see. Still waiting on how you measured the size & distance to the sun. Why are you so bad at answering questions?
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  5546.  @KangenAlec  He’s describing you quite well.
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  5547.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes.
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  5548. FE’ers seem well lodged in the present.
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  5549.  @EscapismAddict  The quote made reference to controversial ideas that turn out to be true, not the advance of science generally.
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  5550.  @KangenAlec  Any idea what magnification would be required?
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  5551.  @KangenAlec  Gleason projection is a globe map.
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  5552. Photographic film? If so then, yes, which is why it was shielded to prevent fogging.
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  5553.  @KangenAlec  Telescopes exist.
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  5554. There is a difference between opinion and fact.
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  5555. Beyond the range of the direct flights they can get a seat on.
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  5556.  @KangenAlec  How do your senses measure the distance to the sun & moon? Why do you think triangulation by two or more observers shows them to be distant?
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  5557. Why is it not possible (and, no, nobody is saying it came from nothing)?
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  5558.  @jordizierz3395  We can deduce it from the evidence. That is not guessing.
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  5559.  @jordizierz3395  No, it is not an informed guess. It is deduction from abundant evidence. That nobody was there personally to witness it does not disprove any of that evidence or undermine the reasoning.
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  5560.  @SavageRoosterOnThaLooster  Kangen is one of those people who wouldn't accept the Earth was a globe if you took him up to space for a personal viewing.
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  5561.  @KangenAlec  How do they work without the sun coming within 20 degrees of the horizon?
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  5562.  @Globeisahoax  You still haven’t explained how anybody could gain from such a deception.
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  5563.  @lllllllllll1164  We're talking about blatant contradictions not subtleties, e.g, refraction and the Third Law of Motion do and don't exist depending on what they are saying. One guy had atmospheric pressure being constant AND declining with altitude in the same thread.
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  5564.  @lllllllllll1164  I haven't. FE'ers acknowledge it exists on the ground but deny it occurs in space.
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  5565. While the Bible doesn’t teach anything about the shape of the Earth, the OT was written at a time when it was assumed to be flat and that is occasionally reflected in the choice of words used by the authors. Some people (a small minority) think they are being purist in believing the Earth to be flat. Why that rather than engaging in copious animal sacrifice I don’t know.
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  5566.  @Globeishoax  Motion of the sun, angle to Polaris matching latitude, constellations changing with latitude, two celestial poles - why cant any of you explain how that can occur in a FE?
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  5567.  @KangenAlec  That’s a false dichotomy.
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  5568.  @noobslayermeister  You won’t get any answers out of him; he just keeps repeating the same few things oblivious to the inherent errors.
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  5569.  @KangenAlec  And we are still waiting on a FE'er to zoom the sun back into view. Do you want to try it?
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  5570.  @MAGA-time  Pi is an irrational number; it has an infinite number of decimal places. 6 days. The carbon-12/carbon-14 ratio is only one of about 40 isotope pairs/trios used for radiometric dating. That is a limit of about 50,000 years for C-12/C-14 because of the C-14 decay rate. Different pairs/trios can measure back millions to billions of years depending on the individual isotopes decay rate. Because there is a limit to the purification methods and to the sensitivity of each assay method, as well as the possibility of contamination of the sample it has lain apparently undisturbed. It's why we use multiple methods of preparation & measurements to obtain the most accurate results. An 0.1% error range on measuring 1 million years would be plus or minus 1000 years; an error rate of 0.1% on 1 billion years is plus or minus 1 million years.
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  5571.  @Globeisahoax  Zillionth time - read the title on the Gleason map.
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  5572. The Vatican didn’t exist at the time and Enoch wasn’t included in the first compilation, not removed later.
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  5573.  @Michaelhehe  Then be novel and produce it.
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  5574.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in your techniques for identifying CGI. Why do I suspect it’s like the FE form of measurement: eyeballing?
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  5575. Very very slightly. It’s as near as damn it a perfect sphere.
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  5576. They did; the editors took it out.
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  5577. A. The idea of a scientist not producing evidence in this situation is absurd. B. The abrupt cuts. C. Spencer posts here occasionally.
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  5578. If you want to get in a plane on one continent and step off at the correct airport on another continent then you need accurate maps.
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  5579.  @KangenAlec  It's not a lie just beyond your comprehension.
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  5580. Scientific theories are the explanation as to how the facts occur; they’re based on extensive experimentation and observation where no plausible alternative explanations exist.
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  5581.  @aranha9365  Theories are factually based; they may arise from earlier theories which were based on the then known facts but themselves are still factually based. For something to be accepted as scientific theory it has been tested every which way through experimentation & observation and found to be completely reliable in explaining and predicting events. "Many theories doesn't match the facts." Such as? It's an accusation frequently made by people who don't understand the facts or the theory. That the Earth is a globe is a fact; we have the shape measured to high accuracy. How it comes to be a globe is theory.
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  5582.  @KangenAlec  Why can’t you answer questions?
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  5583. The video has been heavily edited to remove the one way flow of evidence, hence the abrupt cuts.
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  5584.  @KangenAlec  So why do all the FE models contradict observable reality?
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  5585. Phases are caused by the moon’s orbit; except at full moon, we can only see part of the sunlit side.
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  5586. Anybody can buy a telescope and look at the other planets; you aren’t reliant on people telling you. Your body sensitive to acceleration not motion; there is no significant acceleration for you to sense. While you are capable of sensing rotation you aren’t going to pick up anything as slow as one rotation per day. Nobody is upside down on the globe. The sky is blue due to diffraction of the sunlight as it enters the atmosphere; why do you think it would vary around the world?
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  5587. Anecdotal data, which is prone to wishful thinking. Would you prefer medicine that has been determined to work or being given something on the grounds that it just gotta work?
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  5588.  @quad4ttf112  All drugs have side-effects; ivermectin is no exception. The question is which is most efficacious against Covid-19 and under what circumstances. Hailing ivermectin as the wonder cure simply because it is cheap is not a logical; until recently the data was anecdotal. Why is it that the people who whinge on about pharmaceutical companies being corrupt are so eager to hand out "miracle cure" on the basis of very little?
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  5589.  @quad4ttf112  You don’t have tell me how to do my job. There were doctors who prescribed ivermectin off-label in the absence of any specific treatment. Their observations were published but they are not clinical trials; they are anecdotal. Clinical trials were and still are running and the results are favourable for less severe cases. Remdesivir is intended for people with severe cases requiring respiratory support.
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  5590.  @michaelripperjones4578  Apparently, it's not important that the explanations for observable reality are in agreement with observable reality.
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  5591.  @michaelripperjones4578  I’m saying FE’ers don’t consider it necessary for their explanations of reality to actually match reality. They just want something different from the accepted model, which is accurately explanatory and predictive.
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  5592.  @KangenAlec  How does the FE sun stay only 50 miles from you while traversing a circle thousands of miles in diameter?
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  5593.  @KangenAlec  The ICU’s are running near full capacity. Even the Black Death didn’t have corpses lying in the streets.
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  5594. "they don't believe, they are supposed to know or not!" Not finding evidence to demonstrate something's existence does not prove something does not exist. You aren't going to disprove the existence of an omnipotent entity that could manipulate what you're doing or even wipe your mind if you do find evidence. That's referred to as being unfalsifiable; there is no way (or potential way) to demonstrate something could be false, which is the basic test in science.
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  5595.  @Matuse  How to type unfortunately.
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  5596. You’ll only get where you want to if you use an accurate map. We’re still waiting on FE’ers to put together s working FE map. Meanwhile you can get on a intercontinental flight and land at just the right place using maps the FE’rs are claiming to be wrong.
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  5597.  @KangenAlec  Luciferase is an enzyme; where does that fit into your plot? What Patent# has only three digits and since when did applicants choose numbers?
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  5598. The moderator keeps stepping in.
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  5599.  @KangenAlec  Only If it is between the limit of your visual acuity and the horizon; once over the horizon no amount of zooming will bring it back. That’s why we’re still waiting on a FE’er to zoom the set sun back into view.
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  5600. Scientific theories are built on fact and have stood up to every attempt to disprove them; they aren’t guesses.
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  5601.  @KangenAlec  You still don’t believe telescopes exist?
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  5602.  @Globeisahoax  Written by a guy who can’t fathom projecting 3D onto 2D creates distortion and ignores the routes of emergency landings further south.
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  5603.  @KangenAlec  Evidence?
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  5604. With a 25000 mile circumference and 360 degrees in a circle, curvature per distance will equal 25000/360 degrees/mile. How far you can see and how much of an object is obscured has to take into account elevation and atmospheric refraction. Sea level is an accepted mean value; it doesn’t change.
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  5605.  @KangenAlec  2500 years whether you like it or not. You still haven't said what the motive would be.
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  5606.  @KangenAlec  So what makes objects move and why in a consistent direction? I’ve been asking FE’ers that for years and none of you have been willing to give the explanation you all profess to know.
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  5607.  @KangenAlec  You couldn’t answer my question but are convinced you know the answer. You don’t see the inherent contradiction?
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  5608. "far far away" Which is not a measure distance. "u dont see the bottom" Once it starts passing over the horizon then it seems to disappear from the bottom up. The waves do not start getting above boat height, something that would be apparent to everybody on the boat; from their perspective you seem to disappear but do you think you see 100ft waves suddenly appearing in front of you? "the water is flat as disk ? wtf mate" Scale; the Earth is 100-1000x larger than you are envisaging. A circumference of 25,000 miles means 0.0144 degrees of curvature per mile, not something that would be apparent to the eye.
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  5609. You realise that there is a world outside the US?
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  5610. One would hope not given that it was written about 1000 years after it was known the Earth was a globe.
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  5611. It was written about 1000 years after the Greek philosophers demonstrated Earth was a sphere.
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  5612. There’s no consistency to their assertion that they have to sense things personally. They have no problem using radio.
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  5613.  @KangenAlec  You still haven't explained how the sun retains a constant angular diameter & angular velocity through the course of the day. What's the holdup?
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  5614. The NASA documents in question concern some experimental aerodynamics; they clearly state that to keep the maths as simple as possible that they are ignoring complicating factors such as flexibility in the airframe, weight change due to fuel being burned off , no weather and that the underlying ground remains flat. Some morons are incapable of reading the whole sentence, latch on to the "flat" and raionalise that NASA is secretly admitting the Earth is flat. Does that clarify it?
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  5615.  @shadowstarr7  They weren't experiments, just the maths; the planes existed only on paper at that point. The aim was to predict the airflow and the effects arising from that flow to determine whether it was worth progressing with the idea into including such factors and then (if it still worked on paper) into physical models and experiments. Research progresses sequentially; it isn't all done at once. You don't build a million dollar aircraft and then worry about whether it will fly or not.
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  5616.  @shadowstarr7  Because those documents are a recurrent point with FE'ers. Like the FE'ers above they will be happy to tell you NASA is untrustworthy and even the root of the "conspiracy" of Earth being a globe but will repeatedly pull out those documents is part of their "evidence".
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  5617.  @shadowstarr7  Predictability not conjecture. When FE’ers say NASA has documents proving the Earth is flat that is what they always produce. In 3-4 years of asking FE’ers to back that claim they always produce those doc and nothing else. They are quite predictable. That governments lie does not make NASA untrustworthy. They are not the only space agency in the world and they do not have a monopoly on science; if they make false or unverifiable claims it would be readily apparent.
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  5618.  @KangenAlec  It’s supplied most days to you. What can’t you come up with any evidence to back your claims?
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  5619.  @Globeisahoax  How could the Gleason map be used for the transpolar flights?
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  5620. It’s been done many times. There’s even been several transpolar circumnavigations but nothing satisfies FE’ers.
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  5621.  @KangenAlec  Once again, blockhead: motion if the sun, horizons, angles to Polaris, two celestial poles, constellations changing with latitude....
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  5622.  @KangenAlec  That’s an artist’s impression, not evidence.
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  5623.  @KangenAlec  And I have model of the Starship Enterprise and a police box on my shelf therefore....
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  5624. Unfortunately some opinions are not based on fact or reasoning; merely being contesting does not make it correct.
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  5625. The video has been heavily edited to remove the one way flow of evidence.
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  5626.  @fredkaper8402  When the evidence is totally in favour of one side. It was determined the Earth was a sphere 2500 years ago, essentially from the motion of the sun & stars and since then has been fully mapped, measured & photographed while FE’ers rely on ignorance & incredulity and cheerfully denying observable reality rather producing viable counter-arguments. Since this is part of a “middle-ground” series the producers cut out the evidence to give the illusion of a balanced discussion.
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  5627.  @KangenAlec  Evidence of any of that?
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  5628. Almost certainly not; the best conspiracy theories are undisprovable. (For those who don’t understand that term it means there is nothing put forward that is actually testable, just waffle).
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  5629.  @KangenAlec  Wilful ignorance is not evidence.
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  5630.  @Mark-Stone  It's the difference between possible and probable; the possibility exists but the probability is near zero while the onus for demonstrating that they exist lies with the people claiming that they do.
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  5631.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  5632.  @Globeisahoax  You’ve been claiming it for a long time but we’re still waiting on your evidence….
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  5633.  @dissonantharmonic  Some do but it still isn’t used as a fallback explanation.
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  5634.  @KangenAlec  You can measure the Earth's curvature yourself with sticks & shadows; how do you think the Great Deception is manipulating shadows?
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  5635.  @KangenAlec  No, he doesn't; you just think he does. You try explaining it.
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  5636.  @KangenAlec  Then try explaining it.
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  5637.  @KangenAlec  Raindrops, waterfalls, meniscus. All liquids are quite bendable.
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  5638.  @jackson2308  How would theology change the shape of the Earth?
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  5639. What difference would you expect to see when discussing the shape of the Earth?
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  5640.  @jackson2308  Put it this way - in what way do you think a scientist with knowledge of theology & philosophy make any difference in the evidence? The shape of a physical object is not a matter of opinion so why would it be relevant? A theologian would be able to tell the Fe’ers interpretation of the Bible is incorrect, not do something to balance a debate.
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  5641.  @jackson2308  I'm curious what you think somebody who "speaks for both sides" could actually say? We are talking about the measurable, observable shape of an object, not possible conclusions drawn from limited evidence. No religion teaches that the Earth is flat so where does theology come into it? If by philosophy you mean subjectivism then FE'ers deny what they are seeing, not considering alternative possibilities.
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  5642.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven't provided any evidence this Pact exists.
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  5643.  @randomlime69  The Law of Just Does, the main go to for FE'ers.
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  5644.  @KangenAlec  You don’t notice your contradiction?
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  5645. Spherical trigonometry doesn’t take into account variations in elevation of atmospheric refraction which is why you can’t use it to calculate how far you can see. Where is the lower half of the buildings? If the sight is mundane then why would it be news?
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  5646. That requires thinking :-)
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  5647. The ancient Greeks deduced it about 500BC. A spherical Earth was the centre piece of the Ptolemaic system in 100AD.
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  5648. "That's some higher power firepower." Assumption on your part.
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  5649.  @KangenAlec  Your gurus are and because they can make money out of you.
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  5650.  @KangenAlec  How does density act as a force and why in a consistent direction?
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  5651.  @KARTH666  They either claim that density acts as a force though they can't explain why or that objects just want to spontaneously move down. They stoutly ignore the Cavendish experiment demonstrate horizontal attraction.
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  5652.  @KARTH666  They don't think it through. Technically when there is resistance a less dense object will experience greater buoyancy and fall slightly slower; that's why they usually talk about which objects floating or sinking in water rather than consider same objects falling through air where the resistance will be very low.
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  5653.  @Globeishoaxx  The Gleason projection is a map of the globe. Why can’t any of you produce the Real Map that you all claim to possess?
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  5654. Theory of combustion?
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  5655.  @KangenAlec  Yet again..... motion of the sun, angle to Polaris, horizons, two celestial poles.... It does require thinking however.
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  5656.  @Globehoax  Probably because the evidence indicates a globd amd FE’ers are unable substantiate their claims. And yet again doofus, a sphere has no top & bottom and down is towards the centre of the globe.
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  5657.  @Globeisahoaxx  Yet again doofus, 23.4 degrees and 65,000 mph.
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  5658. What would that god be? They lacked telescopes.
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  5659. @GUILHERMY DOS SANTOS SILVA WHere does a FE fit into Marxism? Why are so many FE'ers waving the Bible as evidence?
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  5660.  @KangenAlec  Everybody who goes high enough does.
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  5661. Hebrew used the same word for sphere & circle, the distinction being from the context.
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  5662.  @miruku_1504  Kangen doesn’t explain anything; he just claims to know the answers.
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  5663.  @KangenAlec  The sheer numbers of personnel and equipment required and the limited range of radar but numbers don’t mean anything to FE’ers.
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  5664.  @KangenAlec  Restructed by whom and how? You still haven’t provided this Pact. Explain how you think radar works over immense distances.
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  5665.  @KangenAlec  Why would they move at all if there is no force making them move and why would they move in a consistent direction?
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  5666.  @KangenAlec  How do they rise & set if they are always above the Earth? How do the lunar phases have a monthly cycle?
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  5667.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting on your evidence…
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  5668. 35min listening to the conspiracy theorists who can't understand the fundamental properties of metals?
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  5669. Different claims for the explanation have been made by FE'ers: 1. To fool you. 2. To hide an omnipotent, omnipresent god by.... means.... 3. To take economic advantage of the inaccessible lands beyond the unsurmountable ice-wall and impenetrable dome. 4. Thinking the Earth is a globe enables them to establish total mind control over you.
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  5670.  @bradclark9354  Mostly what they say. They never say how god would be hidden when asked (hence a sarcastic "...means..." and for 3 its people going on about economic motives without connecting they've previously referred to ice-walls & domes.
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  5671. 500BC; the ancient Greeks deduced the Earth was a sphere. 1500’s was the shift from geocentrism to heliocentrism.
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  5672. The Earth is a sphere, not a cylinder. The tilt means there is variation in the amount of sunlight reaching a set area of land; when tilted towards the sun the area receives more sunlight than when tilted away. It has nothing to do with variation in distance from the sun, just angles.
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  5673. Track the motion of the sun with a stick and its shadow. With some travel you can measure the curvature with a series of sticks & shadows, observe the angle to Polaris & visible constellations changing with latitude and the existence of two celestial poles. Meanwhile FE’ers think they have made the revolutionary discovery that using the wrong maths gives them the wrong answers.
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  5674. Only during a lunar eclipse. Moon phases are due to the relative position of Earth, sun & moon changing how much of the sunlit side of the moon that we can see.
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  5675.  @Globeishoax  Day & night is due to the rotation of the globe. Seasons (for the zillionth time) are due to the Earth’s tilt affecting how much sunlight reaches a given area. That that effect is totally beyond comprehension does not disprove it. However your repeated failure to even try explaining how it is supposed to work on a FE speaks volumes about your idiocy.
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  5676.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t explained how they gain power & control from it. Why are you so reluctant to answer questions?
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  5677.  @KangenAlec  You have yet to explain how observable reality supports a concept that contradicts it.
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  5678.  @vrtosag9472  Far less. There may be some who express doubt about any information but that does not mean they believe the Earth is flat.
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  5679. FE long predates Christianity and has never been taught as part of Christianity. Science demonstrates the Earth is a rotating, orbiting sphere while Christian FE ‘ers are antiscience and look for any justification to support their pronouncements.
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  5680. Where is the scale in the picture to tell you the size of the Earth? The angular diameter will depend on the lenses used in the camera; if you use wide-angle lenses then objects will appear smaller than you would expect from naked eye.
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  5681.  @klaus-tumir-etwawas2620  Goodness knows. It’s one of the questions the Apollo conspiracy theorists hail as the “smoking gun” rather than actually consider how cameras work beyond “point & click”.
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  5682.  @Globeishoaxx  You still haven’t said what magnification and camera resolution would be required.
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  5683.  @luieflores5915  Yes I’ve checked; personal observation alone tells you that it a globe. If you think They are manipulating observable reality, eg motion if the sun, horizons, angle to Polaris, two celestial poles & constellations changing with latitude, then you need to come up with a convincing explanation how They are doing it. You also need to explain why the shape of the Earth is so crucial to controlling the minds of the populace. The stars are very, very, very distant and moving in the same general direction as the sun. It will take 10,000s of years for there to be a change appreciable to the eye. And, yes, the distances are measurable and measured and the measurements are not taken by They.
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  5684.  @KangenAlec  Thinking that explanations for observable reality have to be consistent with observable reality is delusional?
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  5685.  @philaypeephilippotter6532  Also advertises acidic & alkaline solutions that magically bypass homeostasis by...means... to cure anything you like by....means..,
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  5686.  @KangenAlec  What makes FE’ers so certain of either when none of you have bothered to check?
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  5687. The ancient Hebrew had one word that covered circle & sphere, the distinction being in the context. Which was being referred to was unimportant to the point each verse was trying to convey.
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  5688. She didn’t necessarily go all the way through.
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  5689. There would still be an edge and the curve would have to be much shallower than is measurable.
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  5690.  @CommanderSpaceDog  Some of them think NASA is the only space agency and was created by the <insert favourite bogeymen> solely to introduce the concept of a globe for reasons. No explanation ever forthcoming for how NASA influenced the ancient Greeks or what the plausible motive for hiding a FE could be.
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  5691. They aren’t open to explanations.
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  5692. By being inventive and contradicting themselves.
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  5693.  @KangenAlec  You still haven’t explained how FE contradicting observable reality would be an accurate explanation for observable reality.
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  5694. What do you think we do in labs? I have letters after my name because I was (and still am) engaged in extending out knowledge. Everything is continually being tested; if we find something to be demonstrably wrong then we publish just as we would with anything new; that is how we advance knowledge, not regurgitating the bilge fed you in YT videos.
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  5695. Lenin: "Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever." Aristotle "Give me a child until he is 7 and I will show you the man."
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  5696.  @Globeisahoax  Try describing them if you think them convincing.
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  5697.  @Globeishoaxx  Barrier it endless sea? You’re contradicting yourself. Why not just set a southerly course? Still mo explanation for how a giant monopole can exist or generate the observed magnetic field?
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  5698.  @KangenAlec  You can't explain why the 200 million plus people injected with a "lethal injection" are still alive?
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  5699. It's Earth's tilt that leads to varying lengths of day & night. The axial wobble has a 20,000 year period.
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  5700.  @KangenAlec  How is this poet generated. Mars is seen to be a planet when using telescopes. The solar system works, FE doesn’t. Only FE’ers have heard of Helios. What do you find so difficult to comprehend about the existence of telescopes?
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  5701. Some FE’ers insist they want a live feed before they are convinced. Having had one doesn’t faze them.
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  5702.  @KangenAlec  You only accept direct personal observation as evidence; where do you get these photos from if you have never been into space?
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  5703. ​ @Globeishoaxx  Written for gullible idiots and endlessly debunked.
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  5704. Gravity is a property of mass; not knowing that is ignorance, not insight.
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  5705.  @noobslayermeister  What point? Its existence is demonstrable but no force is going to be isolatable in the way she wants.
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  5706. They can’t explain it. They claim that light knot travels so far, stopping for no reason they can give and stopping at a varying distance fit no trading they can give and somehow always stopping at just the right distances to give an illusion of a sphere for no reason they can give. They seem incapable of thinking beyond the first conclusion they arrive at.
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  5707.  @KangenAlec  Why wouldn’t the sun illuminate all of the disc? Obviously you haven’t bothered calculating the angular diameter of the sun from across the whole disc; none of you ever do.
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  5708.  @KangenAlec  Stillwaiting on your explanation as to how you think NASA was influencing the ancient Greeks.
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  5709. They claim the sun’s circle moves outwards for unspecified reasons leaving the Arctic unlit for unspecified reasons. They simply deny Antarctic has 24hrs of sunlight or nighttime.
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  5710. Some think you find the end, some a wall and others continuous surface but they are agreed that they are agreed. None have actually looked of course.
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  5711. Sensible ones are not going to be claiming that the Earth is flat 😊
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  5712.  @calebchiarelli6061  None of whom are going to be in favour of the Earth being flat.
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  5713.  @Alesana907  Pettit rather than Aldrin - my memory.
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  5714.  @KangenAlec  Covid-19 aside, there is a booming tourist trade to the Antarctic as well as numerous scientific outposts. Military control would require armed penguins.
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  5715.  @Globeisahoax  Still waiting in your evidence that there is no south pole. Folks in Australia walk with their feet pointing towards the centre of the globe.
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  5716.  @KangenAlec  Because people are dying.
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  5717.  @KangenAlec  Why concentration camps?
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  5718. It may make sense superficially but comes down to errors & misconceptions on FE'ers part. The deviation from a perfect sphere is minute and is not the explanation for "seeing too far" or "not seeing curvature"; that comes down to FE'ers using the wrong maths and visualising a 25 mile circumference respectively.
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  5719.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence to back that.
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  5720.  @Globeishoaxx  Measurably 93 million miles seay while you’re pulling numbers out of your arse.
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  5721.  @Globeishoaxx  Still waiting on your evidence….
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  5722.  @KangenAlec  In the geocentric model the Earth is spherical and planets are not "wandering stars". Explain why heavy objects fall. The Law of Just Does?
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  5723.  @Globeisahoax  If you were the "top guy" suggested would you be eager to go if you thought it would demonstrate you are correct?
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  5724.  @KangenAlec  Why don’t we see flickering lights in telescopes? Why can the sun only illuminate part of the FE? How does it follow a completely different path to that predicted by FE? How are days longer in the Southern Hemisphere Sep to Mar? How is there 24hr sunlight in Antarctica in Dec-Jan?
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  5725.  @KangenAlec  He never explains anything.
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  5726.  @KangenAlec  What power magnification do you think that will require?
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  5727.  @KangenAlec  Why do you think Earth and a tiny globe would have the same mass?
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  5728. It was compiled about then rather than written then.
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  5729.  @mianatwood  I don't think anybody is claiming that Jesus dictated the Bible. The differences between the Gospels regarding quotes from Jesus are minor. Paul wrote (or is credited with writing) a series of letters, not describing events. The entire Old Testament was written long before Jesus existed.
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  5730.  @Globehoax  Yet again doofus, there is no top & bottom to a sphere.
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  5731.  @Globeishoaxx  The extra lands beyond the insurmountable icewall and impenetrable dome?
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  5732. "nothing came from something" I assume you something from nothing which is not actually what is claimed; the expansion of the universe can be tracked back to originating from a single point but can't (as yet) be determined what preceded that or initiated the Big Bang. There is nothing that indicates Earth was designed and there is a 9 billion year separation between the BB and Earth forming.
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  5733.  @funfilmphilippines  Such "evidence" is based on ignorance & incredulity and a desire to look for simple explanations. "that is a lie" That you don't like something does not make it a lie. That you don't know the basis for something does not give you expert insight on the matter. If you want to argue that anything & everything taught to you in school is a lie then you need to demonstrate that, preferably starting with what you find to be lies about arithmetic.
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  5734.  @KangenAlec  And yet you can’t produce any evidence....
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  5735.  @Globeisahoax  How does it maintain a constant angular velocity & diameter when a local sun would vary? Simple enough question; why is it taking you over a year to cough up the answer you are desperate for people to hear?
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  5736.  @KangenAlec  How did you measure the distance to the sun, what keeps the sun up, what makes it move, what makes it change course, what makes it only illuminate part of a FE, how do you get longer days in the southern hemisphere? Come on, you're the man with the answers, the profound understanding of how it all really works. Try actually answering questions instead of just referring people to your gurus.
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  5737.  @KangenAlec  Try actually answering my questions. Back your claims with evidence and, no, referring me to a guru is not evidence.
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  5738.  @Globeishoax  Which doesn’t explain how or why but what’s new about your replies.
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  5739. That was the shift from geocentric to heliocentric system; we've known the Earth was a sphere for 2500 years.
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  5740. Do note that gender is not synonymous with sex.
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  5741.  @Globeishoaxx  Produce a video if someone zooming the set sun back into view. Should be easy-peasy for you do why not try?
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  5742. You’re using science to make that comment. Which way do you want it?
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  5743.  @ysmith494  How does logic in your head send comments online if not by science?
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  5744.  @ysmith494  Which doesn’t answer my question: how do your thoughts get here to be read if you don’t use science
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  5745.  @ysmith494  You're saying the logical people are the Antichrist and yet you are using the technology?
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  5746.  @ysmith494  So you think some scientists aren't the Antichrist if the technology they produced is useful to you?
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  5747.  @ysmith494  I see. They're the Antichrist if you don't want their technology and human if you do.
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  5748.  @ysmith494  "The only thing science has proven to me that they are Antichrist." That is what you originally said and followed by saying people shouldn't put any faith in science. I pointed out that you are using science to post your comments so I'm asking you to explain the contradiction.
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  5749.  @ysmith494  So we're back to scientists are the Antichrist if you aren't using their technology?
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  5750.  @ysmith494  You wouldn't be using the technologies that the majority create to send your comments.
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  5751. British pronunciation.
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  5752. The guy who has been debunked repeatedly? What do you think he said that hasn’t been demonstrated wrong? I asked him how the sun rises & sets on a FE and I was banned. Perhaps you can tell me what his answer is?
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  5753. Tell the FE’ers that guns really fire out of the back?
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  5754.  @laurinnn  You just need to persuade them that Jubilee has a conspiracy to give them backward-firing guns :-)
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  5755.  @alvinstone4644  “Don’t look”
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  5756. They’re two different things.
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  5757.  @Globeisahoax  How would a pressurised system make anything fall? Why do objects fall in a vacuum?
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  5758.  @KangenAlec  Observable reality contradicts FE; you still haven’t come up with any explanation to reconcile FE with observable reality.
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