Comments by "Gort" (@gort8203) on "" video.

  1. I think it's hyped simply because it was a non-U.S. jet that was canceled. I've been trying to post the below in response to another comment but it keeps getting censored. Lets see if it works here: ​ @RJM1011 said “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept the opinion of a biased group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astrotracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to fly and more capable of operating from various runways under various conditions? The YouTube viewers who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. I have to assume they thought the TSR2 was better simply because it was British.
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  2. ​ @RJM1011 “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept the opinion of a biased group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR2 was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astrotracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to fly and more capable of operating from various runways under various conditions? The YouTube viewers who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. I have to assume they thought the TSR2 was better simply because it was British.
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  3. The politicians were right to cancel it. It would have been a very expensive way to support the UK aviation industry, but better options like the F-111 were available.
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  4.  @RJM1011  That cancelation came later. At the time the TSR2 was cancelled the F-111 look cheaper. The devaluation of the British Pound in combination with the additional development for the F-111K version inflated its price and made it also unaffordable to Britain in the end. But it would have been a better airplane than the TSR2 would have been.
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  5. It would have bee a cool plane to fly but was not really a massive technical triumph. Aircraft of similar performance had already been built, or cancelled because of an unjustifiable expense-to-need ratio. The RAAF had already chosen the superior and less expensive F-111 by the time the TSR2 was rightly cancelled. The Tornado had less range and came along a decade later.
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  6.  @RJM1011  “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept that as an unbiased opinion by a group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better (greater) bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astro tracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to fly and more flexible to operate from various runways under various operating conditions? Not bloody likely with that wing. The weak sisters on YouTube who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. All I can assume is that you guys thought the TSR2 was BETTER simply because it was British.
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  7.  @RJM1011  “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept that as an unbiased opinion of a group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better (greater) bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astro tracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to operate from various runways under various operating conditions? Not bloody likely. The weak sisters on YouTube who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. All I can assume is that you guys thought the TSR2 was BETTER simply because it was British.
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  8.  @RJM1011  “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept the opinion of a biased group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astrotracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to fly and more flexible to operate from various runways under various operating conditions? Not likely with that wing. The ill-informed YouTube viewers who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. I have to assume they thought the TSR2 was better simply because it was British.
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  9. ​ @RJM1011  “The people I worked with at Boscombe Down said the TSR2 was the BETTER aircraft even when they had the F111's there from the USA in the 1980's.” It seems I’m supposed to accept the opinion of a biased group with a vested interest the TSR 2. Forgive me if I ask exactly why the TSR2 was BETTER. Was it: Better speed (faster)? No Better rate of climb? No. Better service ceiling? No. Better range? No. Better bombload? No. Better avionics? We’ll never know what might have been, but we do know the F-111 actually flew automated low-level at night in the weather operationally. The FB-111 version even had an astrotracker navigation system. Better as in safer and easier to fly and more capable of operating from various runways under various conditions? The YouTube viewers who pillory the F-104 for its high wing loading (as if that’s always a bad thing) would be distressed to hear that the TSR2 wing loading even as a prototype approached that of a late model F-104, and exceeded that of the F-105, which the F-111 was designed to replace. The 105 could already lift more than the TSR2, and the 111 could lift much more off shorter runways and take it further. I have to assume they thought the TSR2 was better simply because it was British.
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