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@rateeightx I didnt want to get into vowels too much because Id have to write an essay. There are like 5 ways that the letter A can be pronounced in English and you dont use any diacritics so when someone reads a word without hearing it they generally dont have a clue how to say it properly, and if you hear a word without reading it you just have to guess for a lot of sounds whether you should use an A, an E, an O, or 'au'.
If you are nkt a native speaker and you hear the word 'laugh' for the first time, you would have no clue how to write it.
I guess you could borrow some variants from Scandinavian languages or accents from French to distinguish them but honestly its such a mess I would just split them into a bunch of different symbols entirely.
In dutch we use a lot of combinations of 2 vowels to represent different sounds, we have aoeiu of course, which represent the short vowel sounds, with diacritics to denote how to pronounce them and where to put emphasis, and then we have many combination sounds: aa, ai, au, ee, eu, ie, oe, oo, ou, ui, uu, to denote longer sounds.
in english a word like 'obvious' also has combination sounds but the 'ou' in that word is pronounced completely different from the 'ou' in out. Its so inconsisent and it's such a mass, I would just start over entirely.
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It does seem a bit clunky, this. Some notes:
I would have suggested 'lending' instead of 'borrowing', this is more in line with other modern germanic languages, although there is a difference in english between the meaning of these 2 words compared to the other languages, so borrowing does fit as well. But lending is shorter.
Instead of 'yearhundred' you could also use 'age', derived from proto-germanic 'aiwaz', 'eeuw' in modern Dutch. Also shorter.
Similary, instead of 'stronghold' you could use 'burg', or 'borough'. which has the same meaning.
Foresayer should be truthsayer.
For some of the other clunky words I have no solution, I have no clue what to substitute for 'ask-thing', there doesnt seem to be an English equivalent for the German word 'Frage' for example. I guess you could say 'an asking' instead of 'an ask-thing', maybe?
Oh and to be pedantic, atheling should be pronounced with an ae as in the article 'a' in American English, equivalent to modern germanic 'edel'.
Also, laughing has a short 'o' sound, not an 'ah'.
Final note: The word witcraft is 'wiskunde' in Dutch, as substitute for the word 'mathematics' so that guy was definitely on point.
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So, there is a lot to consider regarding the C. It can represent an S or a K or sometimes a different sound with a diacritic instead. We can probably eliminate one of those letters. K being the hardest to write, I vote for that one. So we can remove the K. The letter J is also useless because you can just write an I, so get rid of that. And the letter Y can be replaced by an I as well. If you write 'ie' or 'ies' instead of 'yea' or 'yes', it works fine.
Now you have a 3 letters less in the alphabet. Q can simply by used to represent 'qu' aka 'kw' or rather 'cw' because we got rid of the K and Q is useless by itself.
Then we have the issue with C, K and S left. There is an old writing for S in German that is like the F symbol on a violin that can be used instead: the letter 'ʃ' or long S. This can represent a long sharp S as in 'assessment' like the Eszett 'ß' in German. S can just be a regular English S as in sand. And C can replace K.
You can use those Slavic symbols for adding a z sound to a consonent, thats fine, though its a very foreign symbol. We have very few sounds that have a z at the end. I can think of some loanwords that have it but no native Germanic words. The word 'Tzar' for example.
More importantly you could also use the Greek symbols for adding 'pneuma', breath, to add an h sound, which would be denoted by a little c above the letter. For example, the word 'solace' has an S without breath, but the word 'shame' could be represented with an S with a diacritic. The word 'hard' could similarly do without an H at the start with a diacritic above the a. Some English accents barely pronounce that H anyway. SO we can get rid of H as well.
We have now removed the letters C, K, J, H and Q already while only adding one, the hard S. So our alphabet is already more simple and more consistent. And we have only added some diacritics, a long S, and the letter Thorn can represent 'th' because its basically a T with a diacritic anyway.
Now we can add some more symbols. In many languages the latin 'ch' represents a sound like the letter Chi in ancient greek, a throat G. So I wouldnt recommend just using C as a representation for that, if you want to construct a common phonetic Germanic alphabet, because it is much more suited as a replacement for K.
I would propose we use X for this just like the modern Greeks do and then you could use another seperate symbol each for the 'ks' sound as in axe. the 'ksh' sound in action, and the 'tsj' sound in chomp. Or just write it as 'acʃ'. 'acsion' and 'tiomp'. That would at least do to make spelling more phonetic and consistent without needing more letters. And as you can see, we dont need an X, a J or a 'ch', to spell these words phonetically, respectively.
But we can do a bit better: for the sound 'ks' we can find a new symbol of your liking, I can suggest the Greek symbol 'ξ' because it already represents that sound. Then add a diacritic to make it a 'ksh'.
For 'ts' (as in boats') and 'tsh' (as in chair) you can do a similar thing with a different symbol but you will have to find something because Greek doesnt have a symbol for it but surely some language does, maybe borrow another symbol from Turkish.
This all is on top of the other suggestions in this video.
Maybe I should make a video myself.
Edit: Watching the video further, you can add back and use it to represent the 'uh' sound as in ypsilon without the need for another simbol borrowed from the IPA. Because thats how an 'y' is pronounced originally, and still is in German and Scandinavian languages.
Oh and obviously, U V and W are the same letter and can be written the same.
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