Comments by "TheSuperappelflap" (@TheSuperappelflap) on "Good Times Bad Times"
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@kerlkirill i dont want to glorify soviet russia, but dont believe all the US propaganda. soviet era from 1917 to 1989 transitioned russia from a rural, feudal economy based on free labour provided by serfs, to an industrial nation that could rival the US in space and military. i will bet you, capitalism would not have made that possible. it was not an economic failure. only a political failure. of course, as the rest of europe moved from industry to a service economy, ussr could not keep up.
eventually the economy did fail, and it could no longer afford to keep tanks in east germany and the rest of eastern europe, which is the only real reason for the breakup of ussr.
but it was a pretty good run, economically speaking. russia saw more growth in that period than many other countries. you were further behind the rest of europe in 1917 than in 2017.
if only moustache man hadnt killed 20 million people, it would have been even better.
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@pigeon9116 I have doubts that Russia would invade Finland if you did stay neutral, there is not much for them to gain there except a few ports in the Baltic. But, considering this war in Ukraine came with no warning, for no reason, and it is the first conflict on European continent since Yugoslavia fell apart in the 90s, it is important to make a clear message, as a united Europe, that this is not acceptable under any circumstance. Not again. The last 2 times are enough evidence that whatever the prize may be, total war in Europe will only have losers. No one wins.
With Finland in, Russia now has only a worse position, sharing a border with NATO members from the polar circle all the way to Turkey. There is no way a depleted Russian army can defend this entire border. All they have left now is the empty threat of going nuclear.
And, you are in no way worse off than you would be by staying neutral. If they don't attack, it wasn't a bad decision, and if they do attack, it was definitely a good decision.
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@orkako Cheap resources are one thing. Having an economy capable of extracting and transporting those resources is another. Russia at this point doesnt have enough qualified working age men to send to the frontlines. What makes you think they have the men to mine natural resources, not just for their own use, but for sale to other countries? And thats just the raw materials. Cheap electricity? First of all, it will be produced with fossil fuels, which means forget about those climate targets, and secondly, the investments required to build a HVDC line from Russia to Western Europe will be on the order of tens of billions of euros.
The climate for investment in 1991 was completely different. Back then, it was pure chaos and there were many opportunities for ruthless men to get very rich. Now, there are established hierarchies and everyone knows you wont get any business done in Russia without fiat from the Kremlin itself and at least one of the oligarchs in Putins clique, who own everything, and they will take the bulk of the profits, and as soon as they dont need you anymore, you will end up under a bridge around the corner from the Kremlin and they own your business now. This is how they operate, they even do this to native Russians. How do you think they will treat foreigners?
The only way trade with Russia will be restored is if they unconditionally surrender, NATO sets up an occupation zone in the European parts of the Russian federation, and we invest a hundred billion euro in developing the economy and infrastructure in the region.
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@kerlkirill people who are harassing russians online for the crime of living in russia, are not representative of general sentiment in europe towards russians. most people understand, wars are not caused by ordinary people, they are caused by politicians, military industrial complex, intelligence agencies, etc.
as far as im concerned the Z gopniks are fair game but apolitical russians, or those that are against the war, dont need to be treated with hostility.
after putler is removed from power or dead, it is only in interest of european countries to normalize relations asap. russia has things we need. oil, gas, lebensraum. we have money. its a match made in heaven.
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Americans are angry because they have realized their government spends more on wars on other continents than on improving the living conditions of their own people. Did they realize this 70 years too late? Yes. Nonetheless, it is true. They realized finally, that Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2: Electric Boogaloo and Afghanistan, just to name a few of their exploits, didn't gain them anything except a massive economic and political dependence on the military industrial complex, which frikking Eisenhower already warned about.
That being said, obviously, economic and material aid to Ukraine is literally the least NATO members can do, and Russia is not anyone's friend.
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