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it can be a valid reasoning on the very short term. you have to start building a replacement missile before shooting the first one. at this point russia doesnt have enough money to do that. there wont be a third missile.
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these sanctions are far more expansive than those implemented previously. and the previous sanctions did affect the russian economy as well. it forced them to rely more and more on oil and gas exports, which were not being sanctioned. which resulted in the situation we have now.
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@Iv4Bez nice historical revisionism. the russian army was underequipped and undertrained to fight against modern militaries such as the prussians and austrians. they were out of the war by 1917 except for formal surrender. they got their asses kicked by the prussians and austrians in galicia and poland. they didnt make any gains against the ottomans either. war support was close to 0. in fact the disastrous performance of the russian army in the war was one of the major reasoms the revolution could succeed, because there werent many soldiers to oppose them, and many of the soldiers that were in duty sided with the revolutionaries because they didnt want to go back to the front and didnt support the tsar. this is all readily available infornation in history books, encyclopedias and wikipedia.
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@kerlkirill i dont want to glorify soviet russia, but dont believe all the US propaganda. soviet era from 1917 to 1989 transitioned russia from a rural, feudal economy based on free labour provided by serfs, to an industrial nation that could rival the US in space and military. i will bet you, capitalism would not have made that possible. it was not an economic failure. only a political failure. of course, as the rest of europe moved from industry to a service economy, ussr could not keep up. eventually the economy did fail, and it could no longer afford to keep tanks in east germany and the rest of eastern europe, which is the only real reason for the breakup of ussr. but it was a pretty good run, economically speaking. russia saw more growth in that period than many other countries. you were further behind the rest of europe in 1917 than in 2017. if only moustache man hadnt killed 20 million people, it would have been even better.
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@pigeon9116 I have doubts that Russia would invade Finland if you did stay neutral, there is not much for them to gain there except a few ports in the Baltic. But, considering this war in Ukraine came with no warning, for no reason, and it is the first conflict on European continent since Yugoslavia fell apart in the 90s, it is important to make a clear message, as a united Europe, that this is not acceptable under any circumstance. Not again. The last 2 times are enough evidence that whatever the prize may be, total war in Europe will only have losers. No one wins. With Finland in, Russia now has only a worse position, sharing a border with NATO members from the polar circle all the way to Turkey. There is no way a depleted Russian army can defend this entire border. All they have left now is the empty threat of going nuclear. And, you are in no way worse off than you would be by staying neutral. If they don't attack, it wasn't a bad decision, and if they do attack, it was definitely a good decision.
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11 trillion theoretical dollars in the ground doesnt equal 11 trillion in your hand.
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forcing war reparations is a guarantee you will have another war. ww1 showed that. after ww2 germany did not have to pay reparations, it in fact received massive amounts of foreign aid, which resulted in a peace never before seen in europe. i hope we will be wise enough to do the same and pull russia into the european sphere of influence.
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With a username like that, obviously what you say must be true.
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the europe centric economy is very much a reality. just look at the world map. who is in the center? china is at one edge of the pacific. USA at the other edge. shipping across this vast ocean to stop at one port is not economically feasible compared to shipping from hong kong to rotterdam and stopping at 20 ports along the way to buy and sell cargo. therefore the global trade will continue to be focused on europe. USA will make sure the middle east never industrializes and russia is doing everything in its power to stay economically irrelevant in this century.
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weird, i didnt notice the power or heating going out this winter
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@Suksass no, but i buy chinese and i dont even want to know whats in there. its cheaper than cooking myself and tastes great though.
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@orkako Cheap resources are one thing. Having an economy capable of extracting and transporting those resources is another. Russia at this point doesnt have enough qualified working age men to send to the frontlines. What makes you think they have the men to mine natural resources, not just for their own use, but for sale to other countries? And thats just the raw materials. Cheap electricity? First of all, it will be produced with fossil fuels, which means forget about those climate targets, and secondly, the investments required to build a HVDC line from Russia to Western Europe will be on the order of tens of billions of euros. The climate for investment in 1991 was completely different. Back then, it was pure chaos and there were many opportunities for ruthless men to get very rich. Now, there are established hierarchies and everyone knows you wont get any business done in Russia without fiat from the Kremlin itself and at least one of the oligarchs in Putins clique, who own everything, and they will take the bulk of the profits, and as soon as they dont need you anymore, you will end up under a bridge around the corner from the Kremlin and they own your business now. This is how they operate, they even do this to native Russians. How do you think they will treat foreigners? The only way trade with Russia will be restored is if they unconditionally surrender, NATO sets up an occupation zone in the European parts of the Russian federation, and we invest a hundred billion euro in developing the economy and infrastructure in the region.
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moscow and petersburg are the only two places in russia that have such salaries. so you are giving the high end of the spectrum. not the average. recession in europe will barely be noticed, economy shrinks 1% and russians think we are a failed state lol with governments investing in actual infrastructure and military instead of bailing out banks we will be back in the green pretty soon. obviously there is a stock market crash coming but stock market has little to do with real economy these days. you dont have to worry about europe failing. we have been here for a lot longer than russia has existed and will be here for a while longer.
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@joeylaramie7398 it is like that. its like that everywhere these days. china is the same as well. western europe as well. the capitalists have won a long time ago.
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@rainieresguerra-uw7on dont forget about suriname either, everyone is sleeping on that sweet oil bubble. if only we didnt grant them independence id be richer than the average norwegian.
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@mikel9138 most of europe stopped playing that game after 1945. we agreed to not do that thing again because it costs more than its worth. russia however, didnt RSVP to the meeting and didnt read the memo.
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@kerlkirill people who are harassing russians online for the crime of living in russia, are not representative of general sentiment in europe towards russians. most people understand, wars are not caused by ordinary people, they are caused by politicians, military industrial complex, intelligence agencies, etc. as far as im concerned the Z gopniks are fair game but apolitical russians, or those that are against the war, dont need to be treated with hostility. after putler is removed from power or dead, it is only in interest of european countries to normalize relations asap. russia has things we need. oil, gas, lebensraum. we have money. its a match made in heaven.
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@Ls151000 at the beginning of the 20th century russia was one of the most poor countries in europe with nonexistent industry, even if serfdom had been abolished already the effects of it would still be very visible. just like in the usa, after slavery was abolished, the south remained impoverished relative to the northern states up to now, russia has been impoverished relative to other european countries. you cant catch up from behind using the same capitalist system. youll just get bought up by the germans like is currently happening in poland, chechia, greece, etc.
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Ze Germans, obviously.
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european economy (and american as well) is looking bad because the fed and ecb kept interest at or near 0 from 2008 to 2022 to artificially prop up an economy that should have been in recession. and now the chickens are coming home to roost. it has little to do with russia. its because of the inflation caused by central banks printing money and giving it away for free, when there is no real economic growth.
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Americans are angry because they have realized their government spends more on wars on other continents than on improving the living conditions of their own people. Did they realize this 70 years too late? Yes. Nonetheless, it is true. They realized finally, that Korea, Vietnam, Gulf War 1, Gulf War 2: Electric Boogaloo and Afghanistan, just to name a few of their exploits, didn't gain them anything except a massive economic and political dependence on the military industrial complex, which frikking Eisenhower already warned about. That being said, obviously, economic and material aid to Ukraine is literally the least NATO members can do, and Russia is not anyone's friend.
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Russia exported to Europe because we were willing to pay the highest price. Replacing that export partner with India and China obviously results in loss of revenue. Otherwise, why were you selling gas and oil to NATO members instead of your "allies" like China?
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@maritaschweizer1117 yes because they exported oil to europe which was more profitable than lng. go to a gas station that has lng. the prices are much lower. and it has to be pressurized. in fact most of the lng sold in western europe is a byproduct of oil refinement done locally and from gas reserves on the continent. well, before the war in ukraine anyway. now we are importing it. lng terminals are being built in our harbors now. they werent built before because we didnt need them. its more profitable to refine cheap brent oil and sell the lng extracted from it. also, our own wells are drying up in the north sea area. also, there are tankers that transport lng, its not strictly pipelines, which is where those greek ships funded by china come into the picture again.
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@humanyoda USA isnt dumb enough to start a war in Europe. They just bully countries in South America and Asia where they can get away with it. There was only one way Russia could get the entire continent to unite against you and that is by starting another total war when we agreed to never do that again after ww2. As a wise man once said: Congratulations. You played yourself.
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economy of germany alone is more than 2x russian economy. EU economy 10x russia. USA economy 15x Russia. You are outgunned 25 to 1. simple facts.
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@breakbollocks9164 no one, not even ukraine, is advocating for invasion into russia. that is not the war goal. the war goal is restoration of ukraines borders.
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sure, but on the short term, you have to order a second missile before you shoot the first one and it takes time to build and ship it. you can only get value with it when it arrives. in the interim, if you fire your first rocket, you are now down a rocket and its replacement cost. if russia cant afford the replacement cost up front, they will run out of missiles.
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you know, there are people who believe what they hear on the news in USA and Europe as well when most of that is also government propaganda.
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@chico9805 No, our narrative is that it is the short term goal of these sanctions to hurt the Russian war effort, and end goal of these sanctions in best case is to have putler deposed and brought to The Hague so that Russia can open its economy and people to the rest of the world instead of being a pariah state. No one set a timeline for this. Nor do we think it is a likely outcome. But we can hope you will come to your senses and get rid of putler.
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no western chips = no modern equipment for russia. they can only produce soviet era weaponry with analog technology. sure, they wont run out of ak47s before they run out of manpower. but they cant replace their modern tanks. thats due to the sanctions. no one is stating russias economy will collapse completely and they wont be able to continue fighting. but they will be less effective the longer this takes.
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@covfefe1787 russias economy is about 70% larger than that of a small european country like the netherlands. thats not too big to fail.
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Germany is investing massively in industry thanks to this wake up call from Russia. Inflation is a problem, yes. So are refugees. The difference between us and Russia is that we had an economy to start with :)
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@P00009 nice putler propaganda. now back to reality. ukraine is pushing for nato membership voluntarily. no one is forcing anyone. putin doesnt need to fear nato because it is a defensive alliance. the only way he will trigger a war with NATO is if he attacks us. if ukraine for example attacks russia, or any other NATO member attacks Russia, the others dont help. the EU has been taken over by US neocons 30 years ago so youre late to that party as well.we have been funding the american financial and military sectors for decades lmao. go read a book. as for "cooperation" with Russia, how has that ever worked out for anyone in the past? oh right, they got backstabbed every time. you cant cooperate with a man holding a knife behind his back.
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@stefanaursulesei6104 Germany investing hundreds of billions into defense spending is not inertia. Try and remember what happened last time they remilitarized the Rhineland. I remember reading about that in history class...I see visions of German tanks crossing borders, into the east. Something about Lebensraum...
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@crawkn however, on the very short term, you have to pay for the replacement before firing the first missile. and russia is out of money. there wont be a third missile.
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just because it is slightly over the cap doesnt mean the price controls arent reducing price elasticity. you have failed economics class. back to school, kiddo. come back and talk with adults when you know what youre talking about.
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economic collapse can take a while. look at usa, they have been collapsing since the 70s.
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@alexeishayya-shirokov3603 of course, you are being sarcastic, but seriously, you should be worried about the state of the economy. with demographic decline and a lot of working age men either dead or on the front line, it is not looking great for russia long term. nor is it looking good for japan, china, south korea, EU countries, or USA, for the same reason of aging population and decline.
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the US economy adjusted for inflation is not growing and it hasnt been for a long time.
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@breakbollocks9164 countries in africa, mostly, because they cant afford food from most other countries. south america will have issues as well. europe wont run out of food. we produce enough for ourselves and have the worlds second largest food exporting country. netherlands exports about 80% of what we produce. we can feed half of the EU by ourselves.
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you clicked on it
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it has always been like this. who do you think sold weapons to iraq and afghanistan?
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@realnapster1522 the sanctions arent the reason for the upcoming economic recession. the fed and ecb keeping interest at or below 0 since 2008, up to 2022, are the reason for the upcoming recession.
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@baronvonlimbourgh1716 i dont know what their plan is, but i can give you the best case scenario. putler is removed from power by military command. interim government is appointed which is more open to west. war is surrendered, ukraine gets back their borders. russia will not be forced to pay reparations, because the economy cannot afford them, and it would make ukraine dependent on russian money, which is the last thing anyone wants. eu will invest heavily in both ukraine and russia to recover economy in return for political influence. as well, due to loss of life, european men will need to work in the russian and ukrainian territories, or they wont have any industry. even in this scenario, it will likely take 2 decades for the russian economy to recover to what it was before the war and it will be the permanent end of their amibitions of empire. theyll be forced to take their place as just another country in europe. any other scenario will be much, much worse.
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China has more benefit letting Russia fail and taking territory in Siberia than they do in prolonging a conflict in Europe.
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annex another country and deport its working age population to your factories.
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The Greek economy is doing far better than 10 years ago. They are actually levying taxes now and are paying off national debt. Tourism is still down compared to before, but tax income is up. Is it still one of the most poor countries in the union? Yes. Thats why we give them money.
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this is true in isolation but taking the exchange rate of the russian currency and the median wages into account, the conclusion is you have 0 purchase power and americans have a lot more, even if their cost of living is ridiculous. meaning you can never leave russia but they can leave america
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There are other countries that have uranium. Canada and Ukraine, for example. They have mines. It is not necessary to rely on Russia for these materials. For refinement, in the short term, yes, but we have the money and technology to do that ourselves as well. It is a matter of time until that sector can be cut off too. As for grain and fertilizer, who s buying that from Russia? African countries. Countries which the Kremlin is planning to starve into submission by raising the price. Obviously, it will be expedient for Western countries or China to swoop in and supply these countries out of pocket in return for political favors, at a negligable cost compared to our existing yearly budgets. The Netherlands by itself is supplying several countries in Africa with vegetables at a cost lower than their own production prices because of economy of scale and production efficiency. Any country with a decent farming sector, such as France, can do the same with grain. And we all know France loves getting a bit of influence in Africa.
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@breakbollocks9164 Refined products made with western machines that use western chips. Their own technology besides military hasnt progressed much since the soviet era. If that were untrue, theyd have a functioning economy and a victory in Ukraine by now.
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@hieronymusbutts7349 price of grain is literally irrelevant to most europeans. a kilo of flour costs so little i dont even remember the price. butter costs 10 euro per kilo. i recently saw smoked salmon going for 40 per kilo. with how incredibly expensive food is now due to money grubbing corporations that are making record profits, the price of grain is completely irrelevant to my life.
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@chico9805 The problem with your argument, is that you are presenting a GDP of 2 trillion dollars as a win, and a good situation for a country with population of 150 million and massive amounts of land and natural resources. And that giving up a bit of that wont hurt. In reality, this is a piss poor statistic for a country like Russia. Your GDP is 2 times that of the Netherlands, which has 18 million people, 0 natural resources left, no gas, no coal, only 5 oil rigs in North Sea, and the little bit of land we have, we had to take from the sea instead of getting it for free like Russia did. You guys suck at being a country, that's all I need to say on this topic.
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@GaryGraham-sx4pm exactly lol
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@breakbollocks9164 Yes, Holland is burning, my house is on fire as I write to you.
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@ExHyperion it only delays the next 2008, and when it hits, its going to a good one. fed and ecb raising interest to record highs is a sure sign, it is close. better fix your mortgage rate now, if you havent already, or youll be foreclosed on again just like 2008. and get your money out of the stock market. those millions of people are going to lose their jobs again, and you will make europe pay your debts again just like last time. you guys owe my family 6 figures.
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@ExHyperion we didn't walk out of the biggest recession in this century. it is only delayed. it is coming. it would have happened already if not for covid stimulus packages and bailouts. ask any economist. you cant "stop" recessions in a cyclical free market capitalist system. only buy time. at a cost. by. lowering interest rates and printing money. going to worse than 2008 when it finally does happen. the interest rate being record high is all you need to know to make that deduction. tchüss. my family owns land and real estate. we will be fine. you won't. and PS: i did take classes in economics.
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@markrussell4682 and by the need to have an exchange material instead of having a barter economy which was motivated by the advent of agriculture and increasing populations. soldiers can be paid in loot. and women. you dont have to have coins.
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@markrussell4682 actually pemanent professional armies didnt exist until the late medieval slash early renaissance period in europe
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actually economy in europe shrinks in PPP adjusting for inflation. but at least we arent being drafted to be cannon fodder in another country.
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thats the UK. they voted for that. rest of europe is mostly fine.
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@AnnedolfFrankler911 oh no i like it, i think its funny. but obviously, not many people will take you seriously like this.
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Let me take you seriously though, and let me have some fun debunking this. The Russian economy is more independent than ever because no one wants to trade with your pariah state anymore lol. And the economy is shrinking because of this. The ruble had to be devalued because your govt is broke asf. BRICS is a collection of failed states that will never accomplish anything comparable to north america or europe. Western economies will enter recession, that is true, but that is due to our central banks failures and nothing to do with russia or ukraine. several countries in europe also have export based economies. Your economy is worth about 2x that of a small EU country. Total GDP here is about 10x that of Russia. Russia is economically irrelevant in 21st century.
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@1Maklak you are down a car and you have to pay 10k up front for a new car. in return, you get a new car. a little bit later. in the period between paying for the new car, and having it in your name, in your driveway, you are down a car and 10k. building a missile and shipping it to the front line takes a lot longer than buying a car.
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@1Maklak yes, after you get the new car. between paying for the new car and having it, you are down 20k temporarily. you have no 10k and no car in that period.
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@B.D.E. compared to the immediate issues caused by climate change, nuclear waste that might be a problem a hundred years from now is a non argument. we first need to make sure that we will have a planet left to pollute a hundred years from now. nuclear is the only feasible way to provide clean stable energy, supported by renewables when the sun is shining and the wind is blowing. thankfully nuclear fusion is on track for 2035 and that process doesnt need radioactive enriched materials.
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@londonsparrow9531 fukushima accident happened because a nuclesr power plant rated for earthquakes only up to richter scale 7 was built along the coast on a fault line and it got hit by a massive earthquake and a tsunami. it did not happen because nuclear energy is unsafe. and even with all that going wrong, it barely did any damage, only very few people died. more people die every year in construction of offshore windparks. seriously, go take a hike.
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@adamalexander1496 uranium is not a scarce material, estimates are theres enough to power the entire world for a hundred yeara before we run out
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@billsmith5166 the point he is trying to make, poorly, i think, is that if you fire one missile, you already need to have paid for the second one to be built and transported up front. if russia doesnt have the cash flow to produce missiles faster than they are firing them, they are constantly in a state of having fired one missile and waiting for the next one to arrive after paying for it. so they are down a missile and the replacement cost. if they have properly functioning supply lines and economic buffers this isnt the case.
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before firing 10 rockets, you order 10 new ones, they take time to be produced and shipped. if you fire your 10 rockets before the 10 replacements arrive, you are for the moment down 10 rockets plus the cost of building and shipping 10 more. only when the 10 new rockets arrive do they add value to your war effort. at this point, russia has no money to order more rockets.
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Depends where in the west you are talking. In USA sure. UK, sure. But western european countries like netherlands, germany, france, nordic states, all had and still have many policies that can be considered socialist. Marx is well read here to this day. Sure, we have in recent decades been infiltrated more and more by american propaganda and the youth is illiterate and hasnt read a book in their life, let alone economic theory, but that is a different problem. As for being happy, that doesnt have anything to do with this war or with economics. As for blackrock, these american companies are failing at a rapid pace, with their ESG scores and bad investments. You shouldnt have to worry about them.
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no one is saying US economy is fine, except for a few extremely delusional americans.
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hmmm, little bit of colonialism never hurt anyone, right? (im not saying its a bad idea btw)
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See the thing is, you can afford a lot of debt if you have an actual economy and a AAA credit rating. USA is about to lose its credit rating because of economic mismanagement. Europe however, will not. And even USA mismanagement is nowhere near the level Russia is at. Imagine having the most land of any country, unlimited national resources, 150 million people, and having an economy of 2 trillion per year, just a bit more than a third world country like Spain, and twice as much as tiny country like Netherlands. Thats not a win, dude. Thats embarrassing.
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things are not that bad in europe. the worst things that are happening economically is that governments are putting price controls on gas, electricity, and food items, and some people who cant afford cost of living have to go to the food bank for free food while living in their government subsidized apartments with rent controls, while paying 50 euro per month to pay off their new 1400 euro iPhone 14. no one is going hungry in the EU.
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@aleksandrkobelev8868 the US is a war economy, they need wars constantly, that is not news, it has been the case since 1940. production in USA is deader than a decayed corpse and its not coming back. theyre finished. they had a good run though.
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because iraq isnt in europe
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EU: has 1% recession and a bit high inflation Russia: lol failed economy Meanwhile in Russia:
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@ГеоргийИванов-й6ю9ш You can have money back when war is over and putler is in the Hague for trial. As for airspace, why would we let military planes from hostile nation that invades neighbours without cases belli into our airspace? Be grateful we arent sending more air support to Ukraine to defend our borders. If they fall, Russian planes and tanks will be on the border with Romania, Moldova and Hungary. Romania and Hungary are in the EU and Moldova is in process of becoming member state. Obviously, you will understand our position we dont want you in our backyard, just like you didnt want us in yours. If only there were some buffer states in between, like Finland, Belarus and Ukraine, to stabilize the political situation on the continent. Oh well.
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@W_Bin the same way the west built up our economic situation from our colonies. im no defender of russia, just saying, it is not strange to refer to such a situation in those terms. the difference is, other european nations stopped being imperialist and russia didnt.
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quality of life and life expectancy in russia is literally the lowest on the european continent. as well as real spending power compared to cost of living.
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@The69bombero its not hard in western europe. if your famly was smart enough to buy a couple houses in the past 80 years, when they were affordable, you have low cost of living. if you make little money and have to rent, there are rent controls and subsidies for that. income hasnt gone up and inflation is high, yes, but no one is going hungry. except in the UK, but hey, you get what you vote for. you americans need to do something about your political situation. stop voting for the same 2 parties that are exploiting you, are owned by the same people, and do nothing for you.
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Time to get serious about air support
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@redcrown5154 it is in our economic and political interest to have ukraine in EU sphere of influence. why would they need to pay back? cost of supporting ukraine is negligable compared to the aid rich EU countries are already giving to poor EU countries for free.
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while it is a fallacy, on the short term, russia has already paid for the first missile, will have to pay for a second missile to replace it, before firing it, and will have to pay for a third missile already while the second one is in transport. so there are double costs up front, which only yield a return much later, if ever, when they are fired. russia currently, does not have enough money for the third missile.
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@danielhutchinson6604 Russia has about 5% of the US GDP. Therir GDP is comparable to that of a small EU country like the Netherlands. As for the USA, they have been bankrupt for decades and will continue to be bankrupt for the foreseeable future. Nobody cares.
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@papabear90 thats correct, but were not sending hundreds of thousands of working age men to the front lines during a time where we already have record low birthrates and massive demographic decline.
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@sosiski1223 give one concrete example of something being untrue, and then give a source for it that isnt the russian government.
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to have a bipolar world you need a military bloc that counters NATO. and an economic bloc that counters north america + europe economically. good luck with that. china is just waiting for the right moment to backstab russia and india and china dont get along either so your eastern bloc is already dead.
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@breakbollocks9164 no they wont, theyll just crash the global economy again and offload their debt to financially responsible EU countries just like they did in 2007-2008.
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@joaopedropeixoto8558 thats about 9%, USA spends 850 billion on their GDP around 25 trillion which equates to 3,5% and theyre not even at war :) Also their GDP is massively inflated due to creative accounting, multinationals that receive net taxes and dont pay any, wall street moving theoretical dollars around, the fed moving theoretical dollars around, the dollar being the global reserve currency, and their late stage capitalist economy where people have to pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for a day in hospital. What exists on paper doesnt all exist in reality. If EU countries for example, didnt have state subsidized healthcare with strict price controls, and wage caps for healthcare professionals, people would have higher wages and spend more money on healthcare.
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@joaopedropeixoto8558 the issue is, they can be bankrupt and continue waging an existential war at the same time. theyd have to go super mega double bankrupt to be unable to produce ak47s and soviet tanks, and it doesnt seem like putler cares how many Russians die in the process. this can drag on for years.
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yes. but thats what war is. if russia didnt want this scenario, they shouldnt invade other european countries. as for ukrainians suffering, this isnt the wests fault. its russias fault. if we didnt send them equipment, theyd be deported to work in russian factories. if nato intervened directly, there would be a war on their soil on a scale not seen in the world in 80 years. they were going to suffer no matter what. blame putler.
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@bjornodin why would we do anything without making a profit? this is the real world buddy. money talks. there is no idealism here. it doesnt matter whether you like it.
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if russia survives like iran and north korea survive, thats a win for any enemy of russia
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@deanboy2416 considering the front lines have literally been stagnant for a year, i would say they are being stopped. literally. anyway, its hard to farm land that you just buried ten trillion land mines in. good luck with scorched earth. for your information, there are areas in belgium and france that are not safe to farm, 105 years after ww1 ended. the amount of ordinance russia is deploying daily is comparable to that war. talk about shooting yourself in the foot lol.
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@Komat0zz nukes are a hollow threat that will be ignored because even putler is smart enough not to go there. if russia starts using tactical nukes, nato will be forced to escalate, because after that there is no bridge left to burn.
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in 1914 the average russian was a serf that was literal property of their local lord. the inconvenience of having to shit in an outhouse is a big upgrade from that. is russia still poor? yes. but russian citizens have a lot more freedom and rights than they had before. in the ussr they had more freedom than in serfdom. and now they have more freedom than during ussr. are they still behind compared to other european countries in this aspect? also yes. maybe some day theyll get there.
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turkey is economically dead and its currency is worthless, lets them play both sides, its not a problem. china doesnt need to be crippled, they already shot themselves in both feet.
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@Bdavis2475 we are going to have that anyway. look at the interest rates. remember 2008?
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@lepetitroquet9410 If the price is now only above the cap for a brief period for a second time, that means it is working extremely well. If not for this, Russia would charge an arm and a leg for every barrel, as they did after the war just started and prices skyrocketed. They planned on being able to extort Western Europe for oil and LNG to fund this war. Instead, they are losing money and running out of men to even work the oil rigs because theyre being used as cannonfodder on the front line.
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@Silver_Prussian i agree that your cope is on the scale of an entire planet. russia has record sales of oil, yes, because they are now supplying massive amounts to china and india who are using this situation to build up oil reserves at a very agreeable price. what happens when their tanks are full? who are they going to sell this russian oil to? to western countries? sure we will buy it, but they wont make much profit, and may become subject to sanctions themselves if they are caught reselling russian oil. who else? iran? ha. if the price is anywhere close to the cap, that means it is working. the point of such a measure is to reduce price elasticity, not to enforce a hard limit. that is impossible in global economics. not that you would know anything about economics.
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@Silver_Prussian yes, i am aware of that. however you must also be aware that countries have oil reserves. these reserves are filled when prices are low and expended when prices are high or when in a state of war. china and india are filling their reserves. so the question remains what happens when their reserves are full? then they will only buy as much oil from russia as they actually use, or find other countries to resell their oil to for a slight profit. who will buy it from them?
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@Silver_Prussian you misunderstand what im tryong to say. im not saying china and india should waste oil. im saying they arent wasting it, so likely when they filled their reserves they will purchase less oil from russia going forward. only as much as they actually use. i dont know how much china is buying from russia right now but im guessing they are currently purchasing more than their daily needs. as for that shared BRICS currency, not going to happen. its a pipe dream. you cant do that when you are a collection of five failed and failing states on different continents.
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but on the short term, you have to pay for the second missile before shooting the first one, and pay for a third missile while the second one is in transport. russia doesnt have enough money for the third missile.
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@DraigBlackCat obviously, that doesnt change the fact there are upfront costs
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completely blocking sale of russian oil would raise oil prices, thus allowing russia to make more profit selling less oil.
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obviously, unemployment will be down if at least 300 thousand working age men are suddenly missing :) higher inflation and interest rates arent equal to real economic growth. especially if your currency lost most of its value internationally.
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there are plenty of educated people in europe who judge USA as much. but they own our politicians and our military so we cant stop them from making illegal wars in middle east.
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@sam08g16 technically, people dont have to be paid, they have to have clean water, food, and shelter. as long as those things are available, things will move, with or without money. people in the military move things. they dont get paid in cash on the front line. their money is stored in a bank account or sent to their family. sometimes, they dont get paid at all. i bet you a lot of people currently fighting on both sides dont get paid to do it.
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@orkako no one in eu is against breaking russian isolation. in fact this is the best case scenario. optimally, at some point, russia can have a trade agreement with europe similar to south korea for example, which allows tariff free trade on many goods and mutual investments. russia has things we want. natural resources. lebensraum. good farmland. we have tech and money that russia wants. this conflict is pure madness. why start a proxy war with nato when you can make profit instead.
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@michaelplunkett8059 reparations historically just cause more wars. it seems a very bad idea. just take free money from EU instead, we are already spending close to 100 billion a year on our colonies in europe and they have peace and economic growth.
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interestingly, its gdp is also comparable to that of Spain. as for being highly centralized, this is also the case for Spain, the only developed areas are Barcelona, Madrid, and tourist spots along the coast.
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@joeylaramie7398 what is the con to having better infrastructure and access to the largest internal market without tariffs in the world?
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@brownmold the Marshall money was given in return for military access. same deal every other western european country got. we get dollars, they get to put their military bases and nukes on european soil, pointed at russia. look up how many US military bases and soldiers are permanently stationed in Germany to this day. as for loans to russia, obviously, the hope back then was that restarting the russian economy would open them up to western influence and there would be more trade. which did happen to an extent, until putler started losing his mind. this time, my best guess is that western countries will wait for russias inevitable political collapse after this conflict ends and then swoop in and try again. as long as putler is in power, there will be no financial aid.
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ok tankie. now back to reality. russian citizens wont be able to afford the goods produced interally by these well paid employees because they have an average wage of 300 dollars a month and many people live on less than 100 dollars a month outside of Petersburg and Moscow where the only "well paying" jobs are. well paying being 300 dollars a month. all the tech workers are gone, they came to europe or the US years ago. all the working age men that stayed are being drafted to get sent to the front line as cannon fodder. western people can slack off because our labour productivity tripled over the last decades, while real wage growth is negative and we work more hours than we did in the 90s. if we all do real work 15 hours a week we get more done than we did in 40 hours 30 years ago. if employers want us to do real work 40 hours a week, they should pay three times more.
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@priortokaraew7569 it is simple, that in a case where a country is failing, the people who can afford to leave, do so. the people who can afford it are the skilled engineers and doctors you are talking about. as a computer programmer, why would you stay when you can get a job in 1 day at a company in Europe who will pay you way more and help with your visa, finding an apartment to rent, etc.
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countries run out of money in war all the time. the US left Vietnam because they ran out of money. the UK ran out of money during WW2 and had to take massive loans from people that wear little hats, and had to guarantee them a state in the holy land to get those loans. Russia ran out of money in WW1 as well, and was forced to capitulate halfway through, which was immediately followed by a revolution because the state couldnt afford an army to keep the peasants down.
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@Kaebuki im not saying anything about my personal opinion about anyone, just facts. we all know who i meant and the only reason i phrased it like this is that youtube censors comments that use the proper word for this ethnic group.
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@Iv4Bez exactly
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China doesnt need pressure, its already failing by itself. Other than that, agreed, and that is why we are investing now into chip production factories in EU and USA. Germany alone just funded 20 billion for factories.
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@alexv3357 this guy leaves the same comment 100 times on this video. to add to your comment, dont forget about the export ban on ASML machines to China. which was "requested" (demanded) by the USA to prevent China from manufacturing modern chips for themselves and russia. it will be decades before China catches up in this technology. they tried to reverse engineer these machines. they couldnt do it. it takes a supply and manufacturing chain that includes over half the world and the highest degree of technology available to only the most advanced nations just to build one component of those machines. and there is only one company that can put them together.
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if you make one cake for 30 dollars, sell it for 50, make another one for 30 dollars, then you are down 10 dollars until you sell the second one. only after selling the 2nd one, and making a third cake, you are up (50x2)-(30x3)=10 dollars.
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however, this war has cost russia enough of the working age male population that even if you win, you will still lose everything too. pyrrhic victory. and with russia inevitably collapsing, maybe soon, maybe in a few decades, there is a lot of land up for grabs.
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@Posidaon yes and they work 16 hours a day in russian winter. even in my country which has a minimum wage, delivery is the worst job after working in warehouses.
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Germany will "help" Russia the same way they are "helping" Poland, Czech republic, etc in the EU. Here's some money. Now buy our tractors and trains. Then we use the money we gave you to buy your land. Welcome to Germany :)
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Yes, USA is a third world country, it still has 15x larger economy than Russia
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@ExHyperion maybe you wouldnt be obese if you all biked 20km to work in the morning. it takes an hour. instead you spend an hour stuck in traffic drinking your soy lattes and eating your mcdonalds. go call your local politicians and ask for seperated bike lanes.
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if anything, the US economy will fail before europe does. we have less debt and higher purchase power. and less bubbles.
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@JamesSmith-ix5jd In military terms, first is NATO, second is probably China, and considering Russia cant even beat up one single country with 35 million inhabitants and a GDP under 200 billion euro, which is about 1/5th of a small EU country, Russia is not third. Russia may have won wars in the past, but the cost was too high. The loss of life and economic output from the depopulation due to the wars and Stalins purges and the famines has prevented Russia from transitioning from industrial nation to a service economy like most of Europe has done by this point. These victories were Pyrrhic victories for Russia.
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you do need to spend 1 mil on the second missile before firing the first one.
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they can be trusted to play all sides, and that is not even really a problem. it is a problem their currency is worth less than my toilet paper and their economy is collapsing.
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@joeylaramie7398 at least we arent invading countries in europe that arent NATO members. that by itself makes us objectively better. what was the promise we made? by starting NATO, the UN, the EU, all these institutions. oh, i remember. never again will we have total war on european soil. russia broke that promise. that will not be forgiven. that is the line no one should cross. not even mr Putin from his high and mighty seat in the Kremlin. he will pay for this. as will, sadly, every other russian citizen. the difference between ukraine, and iraq or afghanistan, is that those 2 countries arent in europe. obviously.
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not just land. they also need manpower. population of russia has been decreasing for a long time. their birthrates arent much better than western europe. population is aging and decreasing. same problem we have, china has, korea and japan. taking the population of ukraine (around 35 million) compared to russias around 150 million, and putting them to work in russian factories, would be a significant boost. after ussr formed they also deported many people from eastern europe for this reason.
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USA will make sure any nation in its backyard is in a perpetual state of failure. with violence if they have to.
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you have to pay for the construction of the replacement missile before shooting the first one. so you are in the hole for 2 missiles until you fire one. after firing one, you have to pay for the third one to begin construction while the second one is in transport. russia doesnt have enough money for the third missile.
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i read one chapter of brave new world and had that reaction to it
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better to look at USA after ww2. they managed to stave off inflation and loss of production for 20 years by investing massive amounts of money into Marshall aid for Europe, which used this money to buy american made equipment, and on top of that kept the military machine rolling by "interventions" in south america and asia whenever communism reared its head. then they had to drop the gold standard and their empire has been in decline since. if russia wins the war they will deport ukrainians to work in their factories to prop up their failing economy, but it can only buy time. if they lose, well, best case scenario putler is removed and the military appoints a pro-western interim government that accepts aid and fair elections will be held, which results in a pro-western government that opens the borders to trade with europe, gets all the sanctions lifted, and sets up the road towards a trade agreement with the EU similar to what countries like south korea have. still, it will take decades and a lot of foreign investment for their economy to recover. and thats an extremely unlikely best case scenario.
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russian population decline means you wont have anyone left in centuries. neither will western countries, japan, korea, or china. we all have the same problem in that regard. so maybe we shouldnt kill men that can have children in unnecessary wars?
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