Comments by "ElephantInTheRoom " (@elephantintheroom5678) on "Climate protestors invade electric car race instead of Formula 1" video.

A lot of them these days are against lithium mining on the grounds of pollution and excess water usage, and the lack of recycling programs for EV batteries (all important issues, I concede). I try asking them how they plan to recycle the CO2 from petrol engines that can last in the atmosphere for up to 1000 years.
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@markanthony3275 Ordinary coal and oil mining does all the things you mention, too, and THEN the vehicles and turbines pump out CO2 into the atmosphere for the ENTIRE LIFETIME of the vehicle or turbine, ON TOP OF that emitted during the initial mining.
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@kadmow 28% of greenhouse gas emissions come from the transportation sector, whereas only 10% come from the agricultural sector. So, no, agriculture is not the most damaging to our climate and environment (bad as its effects are). Massive dry-out, temperature changes, and increased extreme fires due to climate change drive far more desertification. Now, large stretches of forest around the world are simply dying, with no need for humans to ever clear it.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 No, the cars that use the fuel emit it into the atmosphere, at levels far exceeding the ability of the Earth's natural carbon cycle to recycle. Once it's up there in the atmosphere there is no way for it to be recycled for up to a thousand years. It is destroying our climate. And yes, there is one company mining without the use of heavy machinery using fossil fuel. There are no proven technologies which can extract CO2 from the atmosphere at anything like the rate required to mitigate climate change at the present rate of fossil fuel consumption. Technologies already exist to recycle lithium. Your arguments are pure nonsense.
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@Uygsoerk It does use a lot of water, even if it is less overall (where did you find that figure, I am genuinely interested to see it). Personally, I deeply admire the protesters against fossil fuels in Germany, they have done a lot to further the move to green energy in Germany. I also admire Extinction Rebellion, their latest protest in the UK attracted over 35,000 registered protesters. Over here in Australia I have been devastated for a long time by our climate intransigence, but recently I learned that Queensland, where I live has the most rooftop solar than anywhere in the world! And I am happy about the big batteries being built here, thanks in no small part, to Elon Musk. My father was a German, and a conservationist, from way back.
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I am pretty certain those types are vegans and ride bicycles, or use public transport. I would be surprised if they were hypocrites. Idiots, not hypocrites.
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@markanthony3275 Bullshit, the forests around the wold, for example, the Amazon and the Redwoods are drying out, being infested by bugs, not replacing themselves with saplings, due to wrong temperatures for their species, or burningdue to climate change. CO2 isn't the only factor affecting plants, temperature affects their enzymes and total function, moisture loss affects their roots and overall function, and unprecedented massive fires are destroying old growth forests that are great for sequestering CO2, after which new forests are not growing back, as the temperature and rainfall isn't suitable anymore. Maybe you should have learnt something in the science field since the very basic high school biology course you mentioned.
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@lua-nya It's building up in the atmosphere at a faster rate than ever since the Industrial Revolution.
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@kadmow Not really.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 Climate change dries out the undergrowth and the leaves, and in hot, dry, windy conditions, embers from somewhere else, can travel 5 km on the wind, and land in that kindling. Not only that, summer storms light bushfires with lightning, and those fires can actually lead to pyrocumulonimbus, or "firestorm" clouds which set off even more fires, driving the embers before it. So yes, climate change, which is caused by humans (this time around) starts forest fires, and spreads them, on an unprecedented scale.
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@Uygsoerk I just did some preliminary research and discovered that EV's consume 56% more water than ICE's over their lifecycle, from mining, through construction, lifecycle and recycling. I would be very interested if you have some conflicting figures?
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@AbelShields Exactly.
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@Uygsoerk What is the source of YOUR initial claim, first. Or do you have none?
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@Uygsoerk I'm happy ICE's are dead. But that doesn't eliminate the fact that EV's use 56% more water over their complete life from mining through to recycling at the end of their lifecycle. But at least they don't destabilise our climate for thousands of years, like ICE's do.
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@markanthony3275 Actually, transportation is the largest contributor of greenhouse gas emissions at 28%. So, you're wrong, again.
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@Uygsoerk My source for my figures about the 56% higher water usage over the lifespan of EV's (compared to ICE's) is US government congressional research 2020. Name your source.
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@markanthony3275 You're ridiculous. Transport accounts for 28% of TOTAL greenhouse gas emissions emitted into the atmosphere annually. Simple. Capiche?
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 The planting of palm oil plantations is responsible for massive, rapid deforestation of old growth forests in Borneo, Indonesia and Brazil, according to the IPCC, 18% of CO2 emissions come from tropical deforestation: converting one hectare of Indonesian rainforest to grow a palm plantation releases up to 6,000 tonnes of CO2. The U.N. and experts around the world are calling for an immediate end to biofuels.
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@markanthony3275 As I said, oil mining and refining, and coal and gas mining release massive amounts of CO2 and methane into the atmosphere AND THEN coal and gas power plants and ICE vehicles do it AGAIN.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 BYD is going into production of cars with sodium batteries this year (2023).
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 Caterpillar (the mining vehicle giant) has just entered into a contract with Rio Tinto to deploy a fleet of 35 electric mega mining trucks (the 793 large mining truck) to the Gudda-Darri iron ore mine in the Pilbara, Western Australia. The vehicles each can haul 265 tonnes.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 No, they work, and they have a contract.
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@markanthony3275 Transport accounts for 28% of TOTAL greenhouse gas emissions, not 28% of 6% (how ridiculous!)
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@markanthony3275 No they're not.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 In 2022, wind and solar met 80% of the increase in electricity demand. Combined with hydro and bioenergy, renewables met 92% o the rise, coming close to meeting demand. By the end of 2023, 100% of new demand will be met by renewable sources. This year growth in renewable sources will, for the first time, cause a DROP in fossil fuel output of 0.3%, and it will continue, as a result of renewables growth. Fossil fuels are about to enter their death spiral.😁😄😀🙂 Source: The latest issue of New Scientist magazine.
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@kadmow You need to check out the figures from the IPCC, the International Energy Agency and the UN. My figures are correct. Yours are dead wrong. Also, solar and wind make up 80% of the increase in energy demand in 2022, combined with hydro and bioenergy, renewables met 92% of the rise, and by the end of the renewables surge this year, renewables will meet 100% of all new demand. For the first time fossil fuel output has declined by 0.3%, and will continue to, due in no large part to the fact that they are cheaper, by far. According to The New Scientist, this is the tipping point, for fossil fuels fall. Fossil fuels are entering a death spiral.
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@markanthony3275 Don't be so ridiculous. It's embarrassing for you to let other people see how little you know about climate change. What an absolutely foolish remark.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 No it isn't. It already can do everything I reported. And the contract exists. You're wrong - AGAIN.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 No, just apprised of up to date news that's freely available to all, should they bother to avail themselves of it.
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 it went 60km an hour and hauled 265 tonnes. Mining trucks don't typically go faster than that, anyway. Then there are the green hydrogen fuelled mega trucks by AngloAmerican's nuGen Zero Emissions Haulage Systems that haul 298 tonnes in trial at the Mogalakwena PGMs mine in South Africa. You're going to end up looking stupid on this issue too, mate. Well some people are just born Luddites, I suppose.🤷
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@orionbetelgeuse1937 You're deranged. Just accept reality.
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