Comments by "" (@umwha) on "The One Civilization Theory: It Was Only Ever Rome (The Misnomer of "Western Civilization")" video.

Malcolm and Simone, I really enjoyed this video. But this topic has big implications for your religion doesn’t it? Your religion seeks to be long-term by joining onto Christianity and Judaism. But your research in this video shows that Judaism and Christianity are not historically relevant. Christianity is only relevant, because it was adopted by the Roman Empire, and spread with the Romans across Europe. It’s all really about the Romans and their antecedence. Ancient Jews, scarcely matter at all historically. That Western culture is due a Christian is nothing but a thin glass on a civilization lineage many times older than Judeo Christianity. It is a lineage that religiously is pagan, many many layers of paganism from Egyptian paganism to Middle Eastern paganism to Greek paganism to Roman paganism, Each stage reduced the size of the pantheon, each stayed honed its philosophy and its religious message, and it’s cast of main characters, getting smaller and more refined until you get the expensive but straightforward Greek theogony, and the other great works, which were themselves honed and simplified in the Roman pantheon, which was shrunken down to its leanest with Christianity, which I believe is essentially Roman paganism, but with all gods, but the monad removed, the central data being sol Invictus, as you may know was the archetype that Constantine merged Jesus with.
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1:17:38 Malcolm, I agree, and I too I’m absolutely blown away by Plato Republic, which I’m currently reading. However, my enormous appreciation for the ancient Greek philosophers is exactly what comes to mind when I hear you spend hours and hours in Podcasts praising Christianity, and discussing what Jesus said or what the Catholics believed. All Christianity does not contain half the philosophical depth as Plato Republic. The Greek philosophers and the Greek literature are absolutely where it’s at. I believe they are the ancestors to Christianity, or at any rate is greater than Christianity. It’s the Greek Way, Greek paganism that should form the spine of any long-term list, religion or way of life that you are trying to create
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Gilgamesh is much more complex than beowulf
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The One Civilisation theory is correct but it wasn’t Rome - it was the proto indo europeans - they were a steppe people who domesticated the horse and they (or their close relative the sinistra) invented the wheel. PIE language and religion (read culture) is the ancestor of all cultures and languages from Norway to the Mediterranean to Middle East to India. And possibly China - or they might be a more distant relative of PIE. They are also known as aryans.
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@buglepong Good point. We still don’t know how primitive people managed to move the stones of stone henge . They must be more advanced than we know.
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I don’t think it has all that much to do with conquering and enslaving. Compare medieval Christianity and Europe to medieval Islam or Africa. The entire African continent was boiling with constant constant slavery and conquering, and it got them absolutely nowhere. Islam is full of slavery and conquering as well. And yet it never achieved as much as Europe, Europe, however through the whole middle ages had already stopped slavery in the large, and it only faded from our way of life more and more. When Europe created America, and America became a slaving civilization. It’s technological progress fell behind Europe, who once again charge ahead without any slavery slavery holds back progress, scholars like Thomas Sowell outline this brilliantly.
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@ikengaspirit3063 All I know of the PIE China possible connection is that some of the Tarim Basin mummies. The oldest mummies in china were weirdly 6 foot tall blond haired people, of a clothing style that isn't like what came later in that region. DNA analysis says they might have come from west eurasia, and their textiles are a possibly similar to a European type, similar to fragmentary textiles found in salt mines in Austria. One of the mumies was 6'6 tall, and another was over 6 foot, red hair nad beard, and had a tartan skirt.
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@bobboby3567 You might be right that there are older civilisaiotns than the PIEs. But what I don't understand is this: if the Gobekli Tepe people were like 10 times older - and Mesopotamia was up and running and so was egypt - and only then in like 3000 BC the PIEs popped up - how on earth did those nomadic PIEs achieve the dominance of their language and religion, in the regions of the middle east, , and egypt? I know the sumerian and egyptian languages are maybe not PIE, but their mythology is very PIE influenced. PIEs still dominated an enormous region - which they couldn't do if they were just young barbarians compared to that already ancient civilsiaitons dotting the landscape.
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@ Good example of the mongols and China. But that still isn’t enough. The PIe peoples language and mythology became dominant from Norway to India. That seems less like they conquered civilizations and more like they founded them , y mixing with local primitive people. When the mongols conquered China, Chinese language and religion were not replaced with Mongol language and religion .
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Random question. But the epic of a Google mash is said to be the oldest story ever written. The central plot thread and relationship is that of Gilgamesh and Enkidu. There is compelling evidence that the way he is described, implies a romantic and sexual relationship. And I do being described as a bride, and other words that imply, femininity and receptivity relating to Gilgamesh I was very skeptical of this, but it does check out my mind is still boggled by the fact that the main character and central relationship in the older story ever written is a homoerotic one. I can’t make any sense of it. I don’t know why, erotic relationship would be central. It just seems so unexpected.
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1:26:00 Malcolm and Simone hypothesize that the ideal format of the one civilization is a degree of pluralism of people who love their differences, but who ultimately see themselves as one force. Let me add to this that I believe this is represented in religious terms, the spectrum between polytheism and monotheism. I pit that in scenarios where you have the golden mean of diversity and unity you will see it reflected in their religious beliefs. Such as the Greek city states. City state had its own patron gods and a great diversity of shrines of different gods that you could worship. However, as we see in the theogony, it was understood that all gods actually share one family tree, and the further you go back the narrower that family tree is. Zeus is the current rule and God of the universe all Demi gods heroes are descendants of Zeus or relatives. Zeus‘s grandmother is Gaya, and his grandfather is Uranus , the sky. This is a religious philosophical and scientific proposition, that all of our different beliefs are part of one family tree which ultimately leads us back to the natural world, the earth and sky, material and energy, and the great natural world we find ourselves in can be explained through interactions of natural forces personified as God’s nymphs and monsters. Likewise, Rome also had a smaller pantheon of gods that had been hone down to the main characters. Then there was the great change of the Christianization of Rome, where the cast of gods was replaced with only one God, Sol Invictus Jesus. The golden age of Europe, with its city states similarly is united by their religion and belief, and only a single God The lack of success that civilizations like China had can also be seen reflected in their belief of gods. They never owned down or polished their pantheon to an organized cast of alters organized in family trees. It’s all over the place, local deities, doubled up dies, inconsistent lore. Hence all of the thinkers across ancient China we’re not all thinking along the same lines, and had no expectation that all of their stories should eventually converge I think this describes India as well, which has far too many Dietes, double triple or or times a dozen identity for each God, as so many duplicate figures have tried to be folded into a smaller number of figures, but there has been no consensus or centralization as to who the main deities of their various religions are, not nearly to the extent that Greek religion has.
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Random comment, but let me make a suggestion for a name you should use if you have another girl child. Valkyrie, this is good, because in accordance with a criteria you previously specified, Valkyries do not have typical gender presentation, they wear shining armor and wield magic, weapons, sometimes riding flying horses. Valkyries have a more meaningful connection to your own philosophies. Valkyries in service to Oden, the sky, father God. He decides which side of a battle prevails, and the Valkyries go out to ensure that it is so. This relates to your conception of a trans Histo auricle God, who shows divine favor through success of civilizations and ways of life. Valkyries being the hand through which that God acts on humanity. Secondly, Valkyries are the chooses of this lane. they observe which warriors were best and most various, and then they choose those warriors and lift their souls to Valhalla. This also reflects your philosophy because it is concerned with mimicking the best practices of humanity, and collecting them all in one place it also represents a somewhat eugenic role, in that they are women who choose the best males to give them eternal life, I believe this represents the fact that women through their sexual choices, choose only the best men with whom to reproduce with, and therefore give eternal life. Wise and selective reproduction with eternity in mind is a core part of your philosophy. Leslie, the stories that involve Valkyries, involve a Valkyrie woman falling in love with a human male, which causes her to take on a mortal life and eventually die. This also reflects your philosophy, as Simone commented about the Iliad, the theme is that human emotional needs conflict with civilization and historical needs. I also see this in the Valkyrie giving up immortality to be in love with a human. Valkyrie remain immortal, so long as they are in service to Odin, the sky, father. their feelings tempt them into immediate thinking and love affairs with humans, but that causes them to lose touch with the eternity for which they are supposed to be apart.
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1:47:37 A great civilization needs collaborative pluralism under one identity. May I suggest a symbol representing this concept. I believe that your religion is severely lacking in visual symbols and metaphors. I recommend the image of a stream of white light entering the prism and spreading out to become a rainbow of colors. each color in the spectrum is the pluralism that you were talking about, distinct individual unlike the others, representing different tones, vibes feelings, products. Yeah, all are joined in the white light. The gem like prism represents the society itself the central philosophy, that both allows pluralism by splitting the white light and acts as the uniter of all the diverse forces back into the white light. The colors of the rainbow are, of course, only a small fraction of the spectrum of light only that which we can see. Therefore, on either end of the spectrum, there are in fact, many more colors that are currently invisible to us hiding in the dark. They this would represent, the expansionist and exploratory identity of the perfect civilization. The external enemy which units everyone is here represented as the darkness which surrounds the icon.
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@ are you really not aware that the African slave trade was going on before during an after the middle ages? Are you aware that more black slaves were sold Eastwoods to the Middle East then were sold to Europeans?
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