Comments by "sharper68" (@sharper68) on "The Majority Report w/ Sam Seder" channel.

  1. He is not an anarchist, he is a guy who has had a bad experience and has written off the whole idea of government but ignores what it gives him and in doing so is throwing the baby out with the bath water.
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  2. When you look to guidance and inspiration from angry simple minded children you are going the wrong way.
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  3. Bernies rallies were crushing trumps. Trump can not stop lying.
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  4. I am NOT a Jimmy fan. For the most pat I agree with what Sam has to say about him. In this case I do not agree with Sam. I dislike his the abandon the democrats to the establishment spin when I see them as weak opponents to beat. That being said likening the E dems to Republicans is entirly valid. Thier incrementalism should not be lauded as they fail to much more often than they serve us I really like Jimmie's spin in this segment. I have made the same points attacking the establishment sell outs. I see Sam's criticism as personaly basd on his dislike for Jimmy and is not well thought out
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  5. They miss the point that not everyone is a football star, many would be going back to a soulless daily grid that they hated when they were forced to do it their whole life. Luring people back to be wage slaves is a real tough sell, especially as it is to fix a shortage for an uncaring "labour market" that always treated them like a disposable expense.
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  6. He would be right at home in rural Kentucky walking down the road holding his husbands hand .... right?
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  7. Sam you destroyed this guy.  He had nothing!  No data, no valid ideas on the ramifications of his proposed policy or how it would work in the real world.  He was inconsistent with no indication of an adherence to principle in his ideas and nothing to back up his spin.  Just like the ideas of every libertarian I have ever seen speak the enactment of his policy would never survive contact with reality as something positive and he had absolutely nothing to even suggest it would.
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  8.  @calichenj  The narrative is changing as we speak your do nothing is exactly what they want. You spit establishment spin for them
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  9.    I have been saying the same thing over and over
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  10. Never going to happen, discovery would be a big problem for her and speaking under oath is a bridge she should be scared to walk.
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  11. Con proverb : Freedom for me but not for thee
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  12. You are a sack of shit, kind of like your sellout hero Tim. As a pool fan no one is surprised you are human garbage.
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  13. Anyone that hordes a billion of anything has an evil dragon complex.
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  14. Spoiler, they do not! Fear about cloth over your face should be considered a new phobia
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  15. Without ever acknowledging the right has all the flaws he complains about in the left.
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  16.  @economicalovereem5833  Very deep, dishonest clowns like you should never use the word truth as every time you do is deeply ironic.
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  17. Fuck off, I am so tired of the bullshit spin that these assholes are victims when they are treated with all the respect they deserve based on the damaging restrictive garbage they sell There is no hashing out disagreements with a hack who says what he does because he has targeted a specific audience and is not principled in the slightest. When I see complaints like this all I hear clowns either dishonestly or ignorantly demanding we unilaterally disarm because you can bet your ass no one is telling Peterson the same thing and he would not value the advice. Stop pretending this is a debate or that the Jordan's of the world value actual discourse, they do not.
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  18. The left "a la Clinton" is not really the left and is paid to throw the elections by exciting no one.
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  19. He is dishonest .. it is requirement to shill for the Koch's.
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  20. chris cole They are corporatist and and support the status quo with brief moments of telling the truth and representing policy that the vast majority supports. They are not socialist and if you think they are you do not know what the term means.
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  21.  @economicalovereem5833  Challenge: "List 5 examples buddy. And who should we watch as an alternative?" Reply :" Well it depends, do you want biased or unbiased information? If it's the latter, I could send you about 10 sources, with quality information on both parties and critisizing the broad political spectrum, and actually knowing what's going on in the world, left and right, without any mishandling of information to promote certain political ideologies." Then gives nothing .... loser!
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  22.  @rayc3103  No, fuck that. Sympathy? Calling you human garbage is its own reward. Beneath you? That is precious, what a sad joke you dishonest cultist stains are.
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  23. He aparently was more concerned about it than the flu.
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  24. Supporting APAC is not support for the Jewish, it is support for a group right wing neo-cons that happen to be Jewish They are foreign lobby group that buys politicians from both sides to unilaterally support Israeli apartheid and the continuing of the broken status quo in the middle east.
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  25. She is at a public Trump rally, fair game as far as I am concerned. How is this a complex idea for you? Or you do have a a thing for dopy looking entailed halfwits?
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  26. Roads to drive on, fire fighters and emt professionals, working power Infistucture, universal communication infistructure, air travel, food, drug and products regulation, etc. ,etc. You do not have to like the govenment to understand what it does.
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  27. The truth you outlined is buried under their mindless, pointless, counter productive attacks not on the failures in the system but on the only ones fighting it. This speaks volumes to what their goals actually are, they are champions of stasis.
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  28. When they literally don't get things done. They are paid to slow down change on behalf of the owner class of which Bill is one.
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  29. He has always been pretty bad, he is regularly on the wrong side of many key issues.
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  30.  @gtfg3800  The tax cuts went mostly to clowns who threw the money onto a giant pile. Repeal 80% of the tax cuts that went to the top 5%, everyone else's expire soon anyway so no need to touch them. The rich assholes get to keep them forever if we do not change it. Quit pretending Trump ever cared about anyone but billionaires, every policy he passed highlights the fact.
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  31. What is the issue with Dawkins? Why is he a pest. He opend the door to fight against clowns who would crush science and do not value rights. I see what he did was valuable and necessary.
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  32. Anyone talking about the bell curve still is deeply deluded and seeking a reason to justify their deep personal bigotry.
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  33.  @Justme-rt4gj  No one of note is anti white you whiny entitled simpleton. To extend that half wit bigots spin to say the entire left is 'anti white' is extra special snowflake stupid.
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  34. She is no kind of moderate and votes with the party almost all the time. The spin she is in the center is silly and empty. I strong challenger should have zero issue pointing out her consistent and overt failures.
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  35.  @leighannsoles8432  It does, that being said working til you die to help a handful of clowns make even more bank is a waste of time for those who value it.
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  36. All the blue states as opposed to the have not red states .. Look a the 10 poorest states in the union and then come back singing the praises of conservatives, those states were institutionally poor long before Detroit fell on hard times that have nothing to do with progressives.
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  37. I would be shocked if she did sue anyone over this. The discovery would be very uncomfortable no matter what the truth around this issue is. There is enough chicanery in play that she has no intention of putting herself on record in court lying about any of it.
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  38. Does not make this mini cancer selling half pint's spin any better.
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  39. Pretending that many min wage people have the option to get higher remuneration or that they are free to negotiate a higher wage is betrayed the power dynamic or how wages are set in the real world. In fact his augment is a race to the bottom in service of the rich who collect all money not paid to the workers. Having to adhere to labor regulations is the cost of doing business in our society and if you can not make money under that structure close down and make room for business that are viable. Insisting that paying nothing to your workers is good has no value to a our society at large and there is no analogue on the planet with no min wage that pays their workers well on their own.
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  40. Theo-Retical They do not have a real point and instead front ideas that would never survive contact with reality.   Libertarians have a faith based vision of economics and destroying them to anyone but the converted is as easy as letting them say what they think. 
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  41.  @herculesbrofister265 Not a spectrum, there is no downside to masking. NONE. There is certainly no reason to be scared of doing so. No one is making you put masks on anyway. This is a really silly thing to be worked up about.
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  42. whatever ... this is the kind of social justice stuff that always smells like empty whining especially when defending a douche nozzle like this guy who is real cancer. They do accents all the time, put a sock in it.
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  43.  @pointlessendeavors5653  Good question, whatever the answer is the 1% of who do not report as happy should not be driving policy that limits the procedure for others.
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  44. He has a deeply dislikable air about him before he even speaks, the moment he talks, he hard validates your base feelings.
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  45.  @dragonore2009  Is that an honest question? It is pretty simple, it would make truck driving jobs more lucrative because the drivers would share in the profits generated by their work instead of it going into the hands of a few owners. This is not a complex idea, worker managed companies empower the workers within them.
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  46. To get paid ... that was what was important to him in the end. He sold out everything he stood for to make a fat paycheck. He deserves to be ridiculed as he defends nonsense and overt monsters.
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  47. Ben is 5'3 .. without a chair he can never touch the rim.
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  48. Radical corporatists.
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  49. Saying the person died of a comorbidity is like blaming the ground for killing them instead of the killer who pushed them out the 10th story window.
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  50. Is a deeply stupid take that highlights the truth that conservatives do not understand that freedom comes with responsibility.
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  51.  @TheMattiasninja  That he spits straw men you like is his entire business model. He is worse than you because he knows his nonsense is bullshit.
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  52. We know it is not a left wing party, that is why people like the Justice democrats are working to take it over. Complaining about her promoting a democrat over a republican does not help the left at all!
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  53. CRTV is nothing more than Pragur U for the extra stupid
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  54. Is a broken clock phenomena, he is only accidentally right. Even if he got everything he wanted, they would still have done nothing.
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  55.  @trevorcarlson6134  Don't take his word. Instead take the many many studies that said it did nothing instead your favorite hand picked cardiologist. This is not his speciality.
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  56.  @gsigas  Crying about clowns who dehumanize woman into objects of their satisfaction is mindless. It supports these people the wrong way by encouraging their persecution fantasies. These people are not a visible minority, they pick the identity they are lost in. At some point we need to ask for basic decency from the people cry for.
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  57. In spite of the trick they pulled off to get Biden or even Hillary through a primary the ideas of the corporate democrats spit on their own base, they are not popular and never will be. They are paid to lose against the GOP not beat anyone.
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  58. His argument is based on single parents. He says himself that children do better in two parent families than when they only have a single parent. He then makes the leap to say you need a mother and father to achieve this and pins erroneously it on sex of those parents. In fact the children in two parent families where they are gay do marginally better than their more traditionally raised counter parts. His spin is ignorant garbage to justify his own bigotry.
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  59.  @Feuerbach1  Hitchens has his downside but is a giant compared to the hot mess that is Shmuley
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  60.  @dezznuts35 The shots likely save their life, the covid dead who did not get the shot are a larger and larger pile.
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  61. If what Hunter did was a crime, Trumps son in law should be facing prison time too any time now.
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  62. Darrel is an idiot and clearly shows that his ideas can not exist in the real world. When you do not have answers to simple questions no one should take you seriously.
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  63.  @Jeevanm71  It is not an either or thing, we need both at the same time. They compliment one another.
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  64. If they are.not racist they still consistantly push racist policy and directly appeal to self declared racist voters. The dems are corrupt. But only because they are also owned by the same monsters that hold the GOP's. leash.
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  65. They are very much like fundamentalist Christianity, when given power fundamentalists are universally repressive misogynist, intolerant, violent homophobic and oppressive. Evangelical Christianity has all the innate problems fundamentalist Islam does but has been watered down here because it exists in a secular environment that curbs it's worst impulses which are nearly identical to those of the Muslims you attack. You are literally advocating treating of Muslims as the other and your spin is tone deaf as you complain about the treatment of Christians which is based on the same kind of spin from Muslim conservatives. Under secularism all religions are more moderate. In the US Muslims for example support gay marriage at higher rates than fundi Christians do. The worst aspects of any religion do not define all followers and the reason Muslims are more conservative as a rule is they come from societies that do not benefit from secularism like the fundamentalist Christians do. When they exist in a framework that promotes religious freedom followers of Islam become ever more like moderate Christians and less like the christian fundi's who are very similar to the deeply conservative Muslims even as they are their loudest and most vocal critics. In the context of modern Muslim extremism we need to acknowledge the external powers including our roll in it's rise. Intelligence agencies have trained and funded extremists for decades to further other political goals and those terrorists who share nothing with us ideologically have since turned on us when our alliance was no longer convenient, this should surprise no one. These people are scum but they are largely a monster we created to solve other issues. We have consistently empowered conservative dictators and over turned secular governments to replace with them religious yes men ass holes. In almost every case the deeply conservative Muslims you point to as the problem are backed or were originally trained by one colonial non Muslim power or another for political and economic reasons that benefit the investors at the cost of the freedom of the people who live there. As of right now we are close allies a country that spreads the radical Wahhabi sect in the Saudi's because they sell us cheap oil. There seems to be little concern that they are chief exporters of Muslim terror, including the ass hats that did 911. I loathe all fundamentalists as regressive cancer, I do not single out Muslims as a group while i have no issue attacking the worst actors in the same way I kick fundi christian policy that we as a secular society should not be supporting either.
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  66.  @TheBighatter  The issue is the systemic problems attached to the events. This is not just a protest of a single crime committed by the police. No one is propping up riots, the vast majority of protesters who were assaulted by the cops for simply protesting does not bother you a bit. You tacitly back their violence by ignoring it and they are supposed to be on the side of order. Talking about riots while ignoring police brutality in over and over is a deeply tone deaf argument in favor of changing nothing.
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  67. No one should force a job as important as parenthood on anyone.
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  68.  @iberns  Your spin is fucking stupid and dishonest, he is NOT racist while your own lying ass likely is. Boys Club? You are a disgusting loser in service to corruption!
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  69. An educated voter is not a conservative voter.
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  70. Jimmy is a mess that only swings at the left. He consistantly empowers stasis.
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  71. Jononutoob Lose your temper all you want your spin is not validated by reality.  Don't let facts get in the way of your spin because you have none and we do.  The idea that there should be no min wage does nothing for low income people but is a boon for everyone who would buy slaves if the law would allow it.  Instead of that they we have forced them to pay a basic min wage on which many employee's still require government aid just to to get by.
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  72. That and it did NOTHING for covid.
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  73. Someone should ban that book, it teaches terrible things to young woman.
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  74.  @rayc3103  If you meant to be a hateful repulsive asshole, you fucking nailed it! I can't worry about what ever disgusting bullshit gets you off, not my problem.
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  75. No it did not ... they yoked a slave state and it trickled poison, toxin and slave wages on them. They may have slightly more money now but the bulk of China is dirt poor. If that is your model have at it.
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  76.  @benkleschinsky his attacking progressives fighting to change the dnc is not support for progressives. It enables stasis.
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  77. They barely consider them people is the issue. Makes it easy to virtually step over their bodies without regret.
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  78. Idolizing litteral traitors to our country has no upside. Insurectionist is not a protected class.
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  79. Is pretty hard core brainless, at least it only plays to her bubble and looks like idiocy to anyone else.
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  80.  Dave Waldon  Get a walking helmet, you clearly can not afford another head injury.
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  81.  @je-freenorman7787  Absolute freedom has always been an illusion, but I am no ones slave. You may be a slave, I am not.
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  82. She may not be a "bad person" but the distinction does not amount to a difference as she campaigns for her stain of a Father.
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  83. If one demands tolerance for intolance, they should be laughed at and dismissed out of hand.
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  84.  Captain J  He is a clown that attacks allies over a disagreement on tactics. Jimmy force the vote was a useless demand that would change nothing. His ruckus was pointless misdirection.
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  85. Sure, I do not care how she bruised her knees in the past. Her hypocracy is consistently disgusting though.
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  86. johnny depth Calling a guy who shows he is a moron in his policy spin and public actions is not racist genius. They would criticize him no matter what his skin color is, your straw man is stupid.
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  87.  @georgesprat9697  Warms my heart to see someone standing up for reason in the comment section. I know it is like digging in sand but it does have value. Thank you for your effort.
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  88.  @aleks-33  It is sad, it is natural to feel betrayed by a someone you liked when they change so radically. It makes his pretty standard right wing garbage somehow more objectionable because you know he is dishonestly spitting it.
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  89. I am personally happy to see him recognize the value of judges. Some version of growth?
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  90. The idea she supports the democrat over the republican should be a no brainier. She opposed him in the past and will oppose him come the next primary but to continue to attack him on behalf of the GOP is stupid and no one should expect that.
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  91. Random respect not based on actions but age and the fact they have have tenure has no value. Fienstien is an example of why the democrats are failing, any claim a leader like AOC needs to follow her is deeply tone deaf and shows a painful lack of understanding of why she got elected in the first place
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  92. And the trump family, every accusation is a really a confession
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  93.  @rayc3103  You are the one meweling here you mosichistic sack of shit. Like I said calling you what you are is it's own reward, if it makes you happy or cry it is sitll the correct thing to do.
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  94. Adding a profit motive to schools does not but enrich the assholes who own them to no advantage tot he students. Perhaps we should just fund our school system instead of giving another tax cut to multinationals and the richest among us. Regardless of your antidotes properly funded public schools are the standard the world over because they are more affordable and give better results. Studies have shown that charter schools do not do a better job and many under perform as well as go out of business in the middle of the school year. There is no advantage to handing our tax dollars poured into profit instead of programs and facilities for students.
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  95. muh username Democratic socialism which is being promoted here has nothing in common with them. A key feature of Communism is state control of ownership and industry and no one is proposing that here. Likenening american style socialism to communism is empty nonsense.
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  96. Centrists like Ben? ... LOL. Man, I wonder what this smedly considers partisan.
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  97. Says the party who was cool Donald put his daughter in his cabinet.
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  98. King of snow flakes ... he is a the perfect leader for his base which is bunch of terrified simps.
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  99.  @je-freenorman7787  Religion? Government is no more slavery than being in a family, there are obligations that go with belonging. If you see it as slavery opt out, a desert island may be the place for you.
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  100. Some have been kicked out of press briefings because he does not like them.
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  101. They need a blind guy to find her computer first to give it to Rudy.
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  102. One needs to be able to read to value a book store.
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  103. Really? A trump lying? Unbelievable.
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  104.  @TheMattiasninja  I am not sure how what I said was confusing.
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  105.  @SIaviken  Very insightful, summerly dismissed!
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  106. These morons call anything thy dislike communist. Halfwits!
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  107. Kid nailed it, love that he called this halfwit out on his spin. He spoke to the goof in the exactly correct way. Buddy should face that kind of reaction every single day.
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  108. Who cares. When you look at this concern about Hunter compared to Trump's laundry list of failures it is not even close. Biden is a hot Mess, Trump is far far worse.
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  109. The people he demonizes have not been there for "decades". He is attacking our only allies and trying split us in half.
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  110. When I hear the Soros thing he loses me, when you go to fact free right wing talking points it undermines the unearned veracity anything else you share. Blaming the progressives with limited power we managed to elect is in direct service to status quo and changing nothing. Jackson is a loser who's spin will never give us any change, he is an agent of stasis and the establishment. His audience is anti progressive in it's spin.
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  111. He is just concerned she has a WAP which Ben thinks is a serious medical condition because his wife (the doctor) told him so.
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  112. She is, there are a hundred reasons why one would say so. All are attached to policy or her pandering to the establishment. A quick glance at how she attacked allies lays out her focus clearly. On economics and on social policy she is little different than a 90's republican. Even on social issues she is just ok, as late as 2014 she was anti gay marriage. She is basicly a conservative that is deeply ensconced with the corporate donor class that owns both parties. She is beholden to those who stop us from having nice things to put more cash in billionaires pockets.
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  113.  @RLGanley  In stone, all the more reason to not work forever for a corporation that not only rakes in money off you while you live, but also cashes in when you die wasting your time to make them richer.
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  114. She does have problems, but she is not horrible by any sane standard. You might be one of those people who almost never vote.
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  115. Pretending the democrats history of racism should be front and center as you support the modern GOP is naked misdirection.
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  116. Had it removed, kept getting in the way of his work.
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  117. Norest These are distinctly different comments, one speaks to a hero worship of the individual in question and the other is an appreciation for the ideas presented. I compliment people on good ideas not for being "really smart" because I expect people who come up with good arguments to be smart and am not surprised by it like these yahoo's are.
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  118. He is spiting chosen spin to appeal to a specific audience he courts. I think he knows what he says is kinda stupid, it is lucrative.
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  119.  @davidriggs8713  nothing changes without the first step forward. Dore us do nothing cheerleader for stasis or going backwards. He effectively empowers the estblishment by pulling some that who would fight it instead of spitting on progressives who do.
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  120. Good luck bitch, we are going no where and will continue fighting til we tear the party from your corrupt hands no one likes.
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  121. They are really scared they will see the sense of someone like Sam.
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  122. He did platform her too .. they are part of the same network guy. Or were.
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  123. Because they are slow and unimaginative they accuse their opponents of they have or done or intend to do.
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  124.  @je-freenorman7787  Liberal and conservative are labels to divide us against ourselves. Our government is problematic because of corruption, not a scam.
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  125.  @je-freenorman7787  I am not religious and never will be. I have no idea why you are bring religion up. You are literally all over the place as you babble about satanic bullshit while pretending I am religious. I agree morals do not come from religion. Spirituality is consistently highjacked by religion to push a brand of self serving morality focused on painting the faithful as better than non members in their own minds. As I said, I have no religion nor am I blindly committed to the governmental system as it stands. Hate to break it to you, Government does not mean mind control. A government is an organizational system by which we assign leadership in a given society. Some may resort to "mind control" but you are more likely to be duped by corporate mind control to sell you shit than government spin in the west. The silly idea we need no government is childlike in it's mindless simplicity. It makes it very clear you have no idea the many critical things governments do. Without them you would not be here spitting your silly spin as we would not have the tech we do now.
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  126.  @je-freenorman7787  slavery (n.) 1550s, "severe toil, hard work, drudgery;" from slave (v.) By this very limited definition I am most certainly not a slave, thank goodness. "person who is the chattel or property of another," Am not this either, who are you chattel to? Who could sell your ass? I do not have the problem. None of the definitions or stories about the entomology of the word slavery apply to me or anything that has an analogue in a modern context for a large cross section of Americans. Your attempt to link the word slavery with my personal circumstance fails because your assertions likening it to the historic repressive institution are not borne out by your examples. The whole you are a slave spin is hyperbolic nonsense for a group of easily manipulated people who look at this issue as if it is only puddle deep.
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  127. Idiot, not stopping the spread ensures others will literally not live!
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  128. There was literally nothing regressive about his position, you have no idea what the word means as you use it in this way. You gotta stop pretending to be principled as you spit fact free talking points for the stupid.
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  129.  @phillyyardyvibes808  Attacking small handful of unowned progressives voted in as neo libs as they sit in a sea of actual self declared neo libs and cons is service nothing but the establishment. You are acting as a tool of stasis, own it.
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  130.  @iberns  Your concern tolling is weak and disingenuous you lying sack of garbage.
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  131.  @selfishcapitalist3523  "People" are going to pay more taxes anyway, most peoples "tax cuts" expire while the 80% that goes to the richest who need them the least they never do. Resending the cuts from those who have never made more or been richer is what is being proposed. Taxes need to go up on those clowns, they have been cut over and over for decades at our cost.
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  132. Jimmy is a right wing grifter .. defend him and look like a dupe or shill.
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  133. Really good idea actually. Someone needs to make a TS account and send him a truth, be hilarious to see him talk about it..
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  134. He is one of the rare people who has it coming, a person in power who did nothing but promote the fail we sit in.
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  135.  @silaskuemmerle2505  There is no case, that and she would need to give a deposition under oath. She can't do that for fear of incriminating her and others
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  136. Raid medicare to pay for medicare for all, this is base stupid and only the thickest morons cheer it.
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  137. Hans Wienhold "So I take you are a climate scientist?" If he said yes you would ignore him anyway just like you deride the idea of studies having value.
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  138. You have no idea what logic is and it is unlikely you value it if you think the half wit caller handed anyone their ass.
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  139. I love it when he gets annoyed with these guys,  it justifies my own feelings when I get frustrated by how fact free they are when talking with them.
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  140. They did use the bible to justify slavery and no where in the bible is it prohibited.
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  141.  @Madmartigan6  1) It was approved under emergency use to get it out fast. The fact is pfizer is being fully approved this week and that undermines this entire spin. 2) The analogy is apt and if there was an anti cancer drug movement this is exactly the same kind of nonsense they would push to get to you avoid taking the treatment. It is completely valid in it's comparison to claiming the vaccines causes heart attacks because there is no corollary data to support it outside some reports people had one after. The analogy is to show the error confusing causation with correlation. 3) The vaccinated are contacting covid (especially the new variant) because the mutation end runs some of the protection offered. They still get it at far lower rates than the unvaccinated as proved in places like Israel where they have very high vaccine rates and half of the people contracting are unvaccinated. A minority represents half the cases reported. The efficacy of the vaccine against he original strain is still very very high. The chance of you contracting it after being vaccinated is very very low. 4) The threat of long covid is not nearly as rare as adverse reactions to the vaccination. But even if you dismiss the personal threats of getting the virus you stand to a better chance to pass it on to others just to achieve some immunity. You become a link in a chain that kills others instead of gaining your protection from a inoculation which has no chance of harming others and at very very low risk to you. 5) Waving away numbers that do not agree with you makes you look like a cultist. There is every indication of this and that you are ignoring data that you dislike is not an argument or reason to pretend it does not exist. 6) Ya, they made billions. What does that change? He never said they did not make money on selling it. It is not clear you understand what cognitive dissonance is as you accuse him of it here. 7) The viral load spin is more meaningless anti vax nonsense that does not invalidate the use or the advantage of being vaccinated over getting this novel virus unprotected. Those who are vaccinated die from the virus less frequently and get less sick than the unvaxed. This is what we would expect if the vaccine had value. 8) Your numbers are ridiculous. I have spoken to others in your camp. They consistently bring up places like Israel in an attempt to undermine the vaccines effectiveness without any understanding of the numbers in the places cited. When you cite percentages it is always to mislead. In your case I have no doubt that throwing out the 80% number covers up fo the fact the numbers admitted are a fraction of what they were in the peak last January. In the case of Israel half the people reporting are vaccinated even though the unvaxed are a tiny minority. But the over all numbers are 1/10th what they were in January. Hard to paint the vaccine as a failure in that context. You are not thinking, you are parroting fear and ignorance under the guise of being informed. You are not. You are acting like a cultist. I do not care if you reply at all.
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  142. Always keep in mind, every one of Matt's accusations is really a confession
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  143. He said it before, be nice to me or you get nothing from the feds.
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  144. And Mitch is somehow better ... Jimmy is full mask off now.
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  145. It has been eye opening to many who never knew what a mess it was there ...
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  146. The idea there was no reason for the investigation or that there is no reason to think there is any evidence based on a summary written by an overtly dishonest stooge seems poorly thought out or like one is jumping the gun.
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  147. ​ @idimo7976  I don't agree, these people do think of anyone unlike them as less human than themselves. This regional tribal inclination to bigotry is entirely useless, a relic of a different age and of zero value. The world is too small for these useless throw back assertions or the innate bigoted fear of the other they are built on What you see as degenerate I see as the only successful models for the future one can point to, there is no mono culture that thrives or is something to be emulated. I see the ideas you defend as a simple minded and pointless appeal to insular and ignorant minds.
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  148. To say otherwise is literally propaganda ... stay at home orders are objectively not slavery.
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  149. There is no extra power gain due to a shut down or the pandemic. It is costing many of the rich millions and they get NOTHING from it. This spin is for real hard core morons. Halfwits wear their mask wrong on purpose.
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  150. We need to fight harder
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  151. We are calling out enemies posing as allies. Anyone that advocates for the status quo is no ally even if they mouth platitudes about supporting progressives themselves. If I agree with someone on a given point does not mean I ignore them when they are wrong.
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  152. We already redistribute wealth, we are distributing it from working people to the richest. Charity is not taxation, he know this and is serving his constituency and no one else.
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  153. Why do the losers always talk about nonexistent Marxists? It is like they do not care that they sound stupid.
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  154. Those snowflakes can not stop crying and playing the refs. These clowns belong to an intolerant cess pool and has zero tolerance for one else's views. As always this nonsense is projection of their rights own innate issue and telegraphs exactly what they would love to do.
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  155. She is a halfwit!
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  156. Pretending eating animals is the same as killing and eating people is silly spin to make the case for eating less meat. It is hyperbolic and overly simplistic spin that appeals to a diametrical mind. I think we should all be working to eat less meat but this tack is not remotely helpful in pushing that narrative to people like me and many he would like to reach.
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  157.  @je-freenorman7787  You clearly do not know what slavery is, your hyperbolic spin is valueless. You are not special or informed, you are simply misusing words in a strange appeal to emotion. There are deep and abiding issues in our society, none of them are attached to concept slavery which at its basic definition forced work with no remuneration. Tell how I am a slave and I will explain how it does not apply to me.
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  158. Could sense the offense in the snowflakes voice as he whimpered about the flag and how triggered he was at the protest.
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  159. He read the tea leaves and back tracked.
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  160. Truth is not the strong suit of conservatives.
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  161. Americansikkunt It is pretty clear you do not know what a fascist is. If you think Kantian is fascist that is pretty stupid because even if you dislike them or their tactics they are still are innately antifascist. Fascists have been traditionally violent, ignoring the asshole like the "Proud boys" are cancer and defending them marks you as dishonest or stupid.
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  162. Being angry at people who are doing things that do not harm me or anyone else over my feelings is a primitive, retractive way to live.
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  163. Tyler Durdan  The ACA is a heritage foundation plan and was the republican plan before they went crazy and started hating their own ideas.  They rejected it because they rejected anything that could b e thought of as a win for Obama.  It is a "free market" solution to health care and there literally is no options that are right of it which still provide care.
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  164. Racism in any form has to be stood against. It is the position we will all get to. Racism is the providence of ignorance and as we banish and push it into the dark corners where it belongs the power of bigotry fades. This statement is true for all racism and not just the kind that in the past legally affected policy before reforms.
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  165. It is pretty clear you do not understand quantum mechanics in this context.  It in fact does not invalidate the big bang and they coexist just fine.
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  166. Armando7654 That you disagree with the scientific consensus does not mean what you think it does.  That your ignorant bubble is clueless on this subject makes you look foolish when you talk about it public.  Please continue your good work as you are driving people into our camp with every fact free post just so they can disassociate themselves from you.  Nice work troll.
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  167. shirehorse91 There are zero credible sources that back up your stupid number.  When you lob modern missiles into a city there is zero chance to avoid collateral damage.   The only one who is spitting propaganda here it is you, your spin make no sense on its face. It takes no conspiracy to disagree with you, it takes just common sense and a body count verified by multiple independent sources.
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  168. That guy must have had extra awful colds ...
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  169. It literally prevents any teacher talking about anything to do with the fact there are gay people. Your head is broken if you think an objection to this repressive Taliban like bullshit is lame. When it comes to lame, empty, dishonest arguments, that is all you have.
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  170. He literally does not care about the specifics. He is speaking to an indoctrinated racist base.
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  171. That is why jimmy does it in their service.
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  172.  @dragonore2009  The key difference is the management works for the workers not the other way round. Good management is rewarded bad is replaced. These types of business function very well all over the world including here. Enlightened self interest works even when a business is not run in totalitarian way. There would be challenges, but not the same frustrations they face now. The decisions are democratic and not dictatorial. Propositions are made in the best interest of the business and voted on by the members instead of unliteral calls made by executives often with problematic incentives. It is a business like any other, that a handful of entitled assholes at the top are not making every decision based on their personnel needs is a main difference.
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  173.  @MrNH718  They do not "peddle trump collusion", they pointed out valid links and the fact some of he staff went to jail for lies associated with their dealings with them. That trump was not convicted in the senate does not mean there was no there there on the Russia charges. TYT's chief issue on Russia gate was a naïve belief that the charges would stick, that is nothing more than grave miscalculation of how corrupt the GOP senate was. The charges against trump were never going to be hammered home in the senate, but that does not mean they were nonsense but more proof what a fail the GOP senators are. I just explained how you are wrong, genius.
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  174. Tim is a moron, you are one too if you expect decorum as that human garbage spits brutal spin.
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  175. This is a slow motion Rubin like fail that has been in the works for a while.
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  176. Screws them over, I am not sure it is going to work out like they think it is.
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  177. guarddog22 She never used it to get it ahead ... this statement is silly and not based on anything.
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  178. I would argue ignorance was just as bad when we relied on 3 brands of encyclopedia's and main stream news for info.
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  179.  @Captain-Sum.Ting-Wong  I like Warren but Bernie is the real deal and more importantly is not going to take corperate cash in the main. She is number 2 for me because she is not as consistent as Bernie and has weakness's against trump that he does not. I am really interested why the change?
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  180.  @robjones555  Last time I checked slander is not protected speech .. not sure why you think publishing it should be protected.
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  181. The issue is we do not have enough of it and the corporatocracy still owns too many seats.
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  182.  @idimo7976  this is as stupid as the drooling moron spin that blames the jews for everything. These clowns hate anyone not identical to them in skin tone, tradition and ideology and consider any other as less than human.
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  183.  @idimo7976  Pretending the corporate or financial institutions have some plan to override the mono cultures is empty nonsense. The ability to easily and cheaply travel the world has been their demise. What has moved us toward "globalization" at an ever more rapid pace is our increasing ability to do it cost effectively. As long as these corps write the rules for us we can not expect them to be beholden to arbitrary lines on a map. We can not expect them to be good citizens of anywhere unless we give them some legal obligation to do so. Globalization as you describe it has had some downsides. It has seen the west's total strangle hold on modern manufacturing broken. This is especially true in the developed world who had a total monopoly on mass production coming out of WWII that has since been diluted by trade and outsourcing policy written by said corps. The problems with pollution and the decline of western manufacturing communities are due to a lack of will to regulate industries on behalf of the respective constituencies in service to overt greed. The exact same greed the right often lauds as some kind of bizarre virtue. To problems of globalization are all economic and are directly tied to blind greed as mentioned. We are getting exactly what we should expect from corporations that have the ability to write trade policy to benefit them against that of their workers and the populations they serve The spin that economic globalization or support for manufacturing saving money by polluting is a left wing idea is ludicrous. A quick glance at who is deregulating said industry makes a lie of it. Every single right wing government in the west has put the polices driving it on steroids and ignoring that is myopic. You are attempting to link globalism with immigration and it is not valid. That large scale immigration is fairly new to Europe does not mean it's implications are not well understood and detached from your empty concerns. Your spin is actually identical to the backward Americans conservatives you seemed to deride. You are spitting the same nonsense they always have and are as wrong as they were. As for who liberalism benefits? Everyone including you who is far more liberal than your ISIS associates. The most conservative places on earth are universally considered backward freedom hating hell holes. They are universally repressive and advocating for that is a tough sell as I see no model among them to emulate. Freedom is not something the conservatives have ever valued as they are always about the status quo. They have been on the wrong side of every single fight for it. The economic totalitarianism you call globalism is an elitist concept populated by monsters that pretend to be both left and right wing but are really just self promoting greedy assholes that are ok with stepping over bodies for an extra dollar. They are not owned by the left and your spin they are is ignorant identity partisanship. Anyone that calls others "human filth" based on skin tone is a simple minded moron who is unlikely to be superior to anyone. You are the kind of loser that builds your own value on the effort of others while doing nothing of note yourself. Bigots like you are a problem as you promote stasis by swinging down not up. By doing so you consistently give cover and votes to the monsters you say you hate even as you own their spin.
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  184. That is what she needs to be called out on it!
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  185.  @SistaCitizen  Not sure why you assume they would do any of that. The only thing they could do is make themselves entirely irrelevant. If you think they could have achieved that when the entire GOP and almost all the bought and sold iteration of the democrats oppose it then you are only complaining in their service. Attacking the people who are best on the issues you pretend to care about is stupid and counter productive if you actually want change.
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  186.  @whyamimrpink78  Of course some make lots of money. In every crisis there will be business's that flourish because of a strategic advantage the event gives them. Profiteers are not unique to this crisis. Walmart's killing small business has been part of their model since day 1, amazon has much the same claim to fame. The restrictions are not the issue. It is our system allowing these profiteers to wallow in cash while giving nothing back. The key issue faced is that we bailed out corps and left our people to rot under a leader that nixed a plan to hand out masks because doing so undermined his narrative that it was just going away. Our problems are exacerbated by the fact our leadership abdicated responsibility to help take care of a population that was told to stop working with no tangible method of support or ability to properly protect their families. Some of the rich are getting richer, but this year will not be one of economic growth and will represent a significant contraction. That will include the business of a bunch rich guys. This of course will hurt working people worst, all crisis do.
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  187.  @matthewkopp2391  I find his crying reserved for very a specific audience and his callous bullish lack of concern for others targeted at the same audience. He is a tool of distraction built on a self help shtick at the behest of corrupted system he supports.
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  188. Only when it is an immigrant shooting do you care about it ... otherwise nothing to see here move along it is not the time to be political ...
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  189. muh username American democratic socialists are not "against capitalism" nor do they want to dismantle it. They want proper regulation on the capitalism we have and in the cases where it makes sense some services delivered by the public. There are some industries where it has been proven to promote a fully "capitalist" approach does not yield the best results for the consumer or the country in general, health care is an example. Capitalism is a tool that can be used well or badly and is not a magic bullet that fixes every issue. In an unregulated form it can be destructive and dangerous as the profit motive which drives it does not mean the best results for consumers and tool that often has benefits can actually be counter productive when implemented poorly or without structure. There is no conflict between capitalism and democratic socialism and the best answer like many things in life is found in a balance between approaches on a case by case basis.
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  190. They look dopey, hammer it home with the fact that being louder does not make you right.
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  191. Or what progressive means.
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  192. Or billionaire tax cuts.
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  193. I would not trust Matt near my kids ... his every accusation is a confession.
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  194. Naked ones, likely hog tied.
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  195. Sinema should have held out a bucket with coins in it. That is what describes her politics.
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  196. How does anyone defend this garbage ... she could not be much worse.
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  197.  @cp3190  There is no reason for the stock to fall. Those buying in will do so with the anticipation of the company continuing to proper. The innate value of the company does not drop when the stock changes hands. The nature of the event would make it an investor banaza not an action which would hurt the organizations value. This kind of larger anticipated sell-off of a safe bet like Amazon will most likely drive the price up as bidders fight for space.
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  198.  @cp3190  There is no reason a planned sell off of successful desired holdings would mean a drop in stock prices. Like a home going for sale to a group of potential investors the desirability of the specific holding will be proportional to the potential growth and or income generated. The forced sale of the stock because of massive value increases make them more desirable not less. These are proven winners in the market based on recent growth. The stock price like a bidding war on closing day of prime location mansion will not go down on these holdings. We should expect the bidding war to drive it up.
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  199. Puts on a plastic mask.
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  200. Put in the light what they believe is hideous .. no wonder they dislike seeing it.
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  201. "The big lie" is just naked deception. The GOP always lies, they do not need a reason.
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  202. What is the color of the sky in the world that Trump is a doing a good job on this pandemic. Bailing out his buddies to the tune of 4 trillion dollars while giving a finger to working families is NOT A GOOD JOB!
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  203. Hate to be the one to let you know, your friends sound like they are assholes.
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  204. They only complain about progressives and liken them to establishment democrats who are actually chasing republicans. These people cut off their nose to spite their face in their attacks on the only unowned members in congress as the problem.
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  205. It was cool to see his brain break and shut down in real time. He never said anything because shutting his brain off was the only path forward to continue to hold up that sign..
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  206. Someone need to pull that drag queen into an overflowing hospital and then she can pretend it is over. The curve is not flat anymore Harridan.
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  207. This is a bullshit smear, it makes sense you have to do this because these hypocrites have no shame and do not care about the actual subject. This should not stick if put in context. Keep speaking out, their fear says you are hitting them where it hurts.
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  208.  @coopsnz1  You are fact free, we already pay taxes and get fuck all for it. We pay DOUBLE, FUCK DOUBLE what you do for health care no matter who we are poor or middle class you half wit so stop talking about shit you have no idea about.
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  209. There is no truth to his thinking. He is a paid prop that spits nonsense to an existing bubble that does not and never has valued free speech or any other liberal principles. What they achieve is pointing out a known principle free sell out shill that will say anything for a pay check is they highlight what a intellectually dishonest sack of shit Rubin is. Pointing out cancer is a worth while thing, he has no good points and that you think he does means you have bought the nonsense framing made by overt propagandists to paint the left with their own innate and unrepentant failures. The left has never been a lock step monolithic group, the idea the left is "breaking up" is empty and stupid as it was never a unified group to begin with. Trump will only win again if the DNC forces in a "centrist" candidate in again, if they cheat to put in a person that spits on half their base and excites no one else but the rich donors that own them. Russia gate is about trump being an old fashioned criminal and has little to do with Russia from a non DNC perspective. This is not about liberals failing but assholes like Rubin and the DNC misrepresenting what we actually care about to make us look we care about inane garbage instead of the serious issues we fight for like health care and taxes.
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  210. Like posting videos of people punching your face
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  211.  @GrammarOfficerKrupke  I would eliminate any corporate influence at all. The establishment dems suck because they chase the same donor cash as the gop. Attacking the only unowned leaders in congess over a matter of tactics as corrupt proves you do not actually care about addressing corruption.
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  212. ***** I agree my taxes should not be paying to kill others.  That being said that act does not invalidate the collection of taxes or the existence of our society.  When we as a collective whole are responsible for bad actions in our name is our responsibility to speak out and see that policy changed.  Not paying taxes does not solve the issue as it is not taxes but bought and paid for leadership who are stepping into wars for profit that are the issue.  Take out the incentive for our leaders doing the will war lobby and more of your taxes can be spent where they are supposed to, here at home.
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  213. The fact is any support of minority rights be it woman or gay people or even visible minorities was always stepped on by the devout elements of the religions community. Christianity does not get credit for the liberalizing of the west as the church was on the wrong side of everyone of the fights that granted them.
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  214. Kyle Ruth His point is all fundamentalist dogma of the Abrahamic faiths degrade woman, including Islam. Christianity does not get the credit for us being more liberal and it was only when the power of law was torn from the hands of church did we advance the ideals promoting woman's rights and even then it did not happen until long after. Islam's chief failure is basically identical to Christianities when it was ruled over by religious law.
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  215. That is why you index increases with the cost of living ..
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  216. Not if we lift the cap on social security payments.
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  217. Because we do not have a liberal version of the Koch's with bottomless pockets to fund it across a wide base required to make it count.
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  218. The arguments from ignorance that the the anti science people make only resonate with the uneducated.  This is the reason they have so much popularity in our educationally challenged society.  The key to countering this concerning trend is nothing more complex than better focus of education in  teaching critical thinking skills.  This may have little value to the corporate establishment but will be vital if our people are going to have the tools to lead us into any kind of desirable future for the majority.
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  219. Mean spirited? The guy is the definition of the term and ignoring that calls into question who you are and what you stand for. You can't help this guy until he steps out of his ignorant racist bubble and it is not Sams job to do so even if it was possible. This guy deserves to be mocked as nothing he says is connected to reality, he is clearly not interested in learning and therefor would be difficult if not impossible to teach. Sam did the right thing mocking him as the guys arguments were as empty as his shriveled unused intellect.
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  220. Watch David Duke videos, really, really? Not only do you spout a the same pathetic nonsense almost word for word the rest of you clowns you top it off recommending people watch a well known neo-nazi's videos, bravo.  Your rant makes you look like a cartoon villain and it would be funny if it was not likely you are serious. We call you a racist for being a bigot,  don't you know racist is code word for idiot.
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  221. Dakota Scofield Your hand does not count, just saying.
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  222.  @CausalityLoop  lol.
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  223. John DOH You have made unsupported claims which for some reason you will not back up even after repeated requests.  At  some point any reader who does not know you would come to imagine you do this because you do not have facts to back your spin.  Such is the nature of you tube discussions that when you make assertions and are asked to back them then can't you lose all credibility.  Just thought I would let you know how it works as it appears you are not up to speed.
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  224. Matt Vic The broad distain for Rubin has nothing to do with him inviting opposing views onto his channel, I inintially subbed to him when he moved out on his own. He has since proved with his rhetoric and his choice of guests and how he interviews them to be useless and actually counter productive in a the way all overt paid propagandists are. His show is about giving some of the most rabid elements of the right a blank unchallenged sounding board as they spew nonsense with no real discussion and zero liberal perspective while babbling about being liberal. I do not care who he is friendly with but when he gives tacit support to total garbage policy and ideas by nodding along unchallenging because he is paid too be a wolf in sheep's clothing it is more than fair to call him on it.
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  225. Global Warming Skeptic He does not not need to.  If you take 10 minutes and look the data is there for you to see too.  Your numbers are a tiny fraction of the peer review data available if they actually exist. You are not on the side of the scientific consensus and your spin is oil company delay nonsense.
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  226. Done? You are tone one who is done and fading fast.  The only place your ideas thrive is on the trash heap of history.  That you expect any of this to reverse shows just how delusional you are.
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  227. ***** Social conservatives are becoming more irrelevant as they lose each fight they are in. One loses credibility if they are on wrong side of history every time.  That some of those with"mixed politics" side with them is not stopping their backward slide into political obscurity. 
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  228. Libertarians view of what would occur if they put their proposed system in practice in place shares a great deal with religion in that they are both faith based views.
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  229. Good for you, better late than never.
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  230. Empty criticisms from someone who needs to run back to his right wing echo chamber ...
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  231. Trailer park stripper classy.
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  232.  @Madmartigan6  Just answering because the other guy has done enough heavy lifting in this thread. I am not expecting to hear anything new or interesting in your reply. But am happy to be surprised.
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  233. Imagine being so clueless you mindlessly clap to nonsense for good feels the rest of the world laughs at.
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  234. Pro forced birth ..
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  235.  @ananousous  Better than not having it, we should have a basic level education required to be a leader. We need a certificate to be cut peoples hair ....
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  236. You are juiced if you think that metric matters now, we have massive numbers of the poorest people in the country still unemployed and the only bailouts went to the rich to prop up a stock market that makes little difference to the people suffering. As a liberal it was a false to pretend Obama's recovery which primarily went to the donor class was fantastic, with Trump it is even a bigger shit show and we should not do it here either.
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  237. Sam does just fine, he does not have to sell his soul to dishonesty and an appeal to ignorance like Jimmy has chosen too in order to succeed.
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  238. It is intuitively true, if you take money from corporate sponsors and then vote along your interests people get that as corruption. It does not have to be proved in court, it just makes sense. You work for who pays your bills is a easy concept for most.
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  239.  @iberns  You wholly service corruption and no one should take your dishonest ass seriously.
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  240. Is a hard job that is not for everyone.
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  241.  @GF-hg7op  Do not need evidence to share what my perception of libertarians are. What kind of of evidence would you consider valid in this case? Are you honestly asking for evidence for their opinion? One would need some kind of validation these clowns have considered these issues more critically than anyone else. In my experience these NPC's have only the shallowest justification for their crony capitalist sponsored nonsense. They are consistently wrong about everything on economics, sometimes comically so.
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  242. Like the military hunta's he respects ... the is a good reason our military is not supposed to be activated on american soil. If you want to live in a military police state move to some third world hell hole where you belong as you do not deserve freedom.
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  243.  @Keldrath  Is that why he backed Tulsi?
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  244. fixed dog He never said he hated whites, he clearly dislikes bigots and they do deserve derision.
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  245. This is a fact that needs to be called out. The right pretending they are free speech warriors is betrayed by the fact they a have consistently been on the wrong side of the debate unless it is to defend racism or homophobia or the right to shove radical religious doctrine down our throats..
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  246.  @DanneBrogen3  No one said that here, did you hear that anyone is doing so?
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  247.  @Momo_8k  He is legally obligated by his tax free status to put fig leaf on his overtly political spin. He most certainly is political,
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  248. Crying for a safe space over their stunted feelings ...
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  249. @LawLibertyCompassion Justice It is not going to be taken down, you clearly do not know what hate speech is. To bring you up to speed, the KKK votes GOP now and has for a long time, The NAZI's in america also vote GOP and you own the racist and backward vote. You may have missed it because you are unattached to reality but you look really foolish and out of touch with this silly spin. What is pathetic is you weak trolling.
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  250. Exactly, they could pull a Kamala and vote for it knowing it is not going to pass. This vote gives no new information.
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  251.  @theBlueShred  Not black mail. Just saying.
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  252. Good question, they appear to like the most annoying empty clowns! It do not understand them at all
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  253. Sam, Steven only debates children. Adults make him look empty and stupid.
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  254.  @joemoore4813  He is a fringe dweller rejected by the industry if you care about such things.
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  255. He is a dishonest fundamentalist, they are prone to lie to prop up their all important feelings.
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  256.  @redrick8900  Not meaningless to me or half the democratic base. It speaks to how they are funded and what they stand for. You have to qualify for the moniker. They use your talking points as they ignore half thier base, that is why I say they are paid to lose. The establishment dems sneer at their base who demad heath care and the gop super serves thiers by promoting every fringe right wedge issue Perhaps catch up, the days of us voting in clowns that are owned by the highest bidder have to end if you do not want a trump or bush every 8 years.
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  257. Is why Steven is running ....
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  258.  @fondrees  You have no clue what a communist is, it makes you look simple and puts you at the kiddie table of this discussion.
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  259. He is a year older than Trump or Biden ... this age talking point is a stupid distraction.
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  260. It really is and is equally factual
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  261. Many are tripped up by the duel duty of serving the same donors that the gop does and doing what their constituency wants. Nice to see it fall on the correct side for a change.
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  262. Nonsense, I would argue that is what Hinkle did. He does not attack the root problem but instead attacks the first tiny handful of progressives as failures because 8 of them could not change the country. He would take us back to when we had no progressives in power, even then he would focus his attacks on those furthest left still there. That is his grift and is why you like him.
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  263. I do not agree, she related a family story and it is trump who has come across as far worse than patronizing. They should be far more concerned trumps consistent use of the name Pocahontas as a pejorative..
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  264. Only the crying and whining skills.
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  265. These assholes in congress are bad because they are backwards, it is what they stand for that is a failure. That fact they are for the most part entailed rich, fat white clowns is not an indictment on all white people in the same way crime statistics derived by an increased police presence inner cities while we sport a legal system that unfairly penalizes poor people says nothing of the nature of people who are black.
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  266.  @mj-bj3xr  your defintion of nothing is bizzaro. They have just doubled the seats theyn control, .the policies they press all enjoy large majorites with the base while the establishment continues to act like Republicans. It is not a matter of if they fall but when.
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  267. Bernie is a year older than Trump or most of the democratic "favorites" the too old talking point is empty nonsense that ignores he is the most popular politician in the country. Trump has lost woman and many men who voted for last time who see him for what he was. As long as an establishment hillary version wins the Trump is toast, Bernie would slaughter him and Warren would stomp him too. Pretending she is exactly the same as hillary was is a total fail.,
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  268. Okiliy dokily
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  269.  @Fate263  True. We just can not let them sell the idea of that criminals who overtly hate our democracy and freedoms are a protected class.
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  270. They work at a corperation which is owned by and props up billionaires. They are hired and promoted based on what they say about this issue. They are simply acting in soulless simpering self interest.
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  271. That would be you jimmy, as you attack actual progressives and pump right wing narratives you are part of the cancer MLK warned us about. You, the establishment democrats and the entire GOP are focused on maintaining stasis quo against everyone's common good.
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  272. Should not be normal to anyone ...
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  273.  @whitestrake2760  If it is not this stupid cult it is another, grifters prey on these kind of people and modern social media just makes it easier and more far reaching.
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  274.  Matt Houser  Hacking on jimmy does not make you an establishment tool.
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  275. There will be. Just a matter of time.
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  276.  @Mrko3ak2020  He bowed to dishonest pressure and Cenk rejected his endorsement to make it easy for him to do so. The spin about him being a misogynist is empty concern trolling from clowns who consistently support actual misogynists when it is politically convenient.
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  277. I love anything that calls out what a shill Rubin is, the guy is a repulsive sellout and pointing out his weak spin is worthwhile.
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  278.  @dukelee3964  We agree on who stands in the way. That being said spitting on the flag bearers of change as 'not progressive' because they do not adopt a single strategy you come up with serves no one but the establishment.
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  279.  @selfishcapitalist3523  It would seem republicans do not agree. Donald's signature tax cuts expire for everyone making under 70k and never expire for the richest who got 80% of them. The very richest who have never been richer deserve to pay more as they download their burden onto us or the debt by buying our leaders with older tax cuts. Move to a 3rd world country where the rich step over the bodies of the poor in the street but no one pays taxes. That is what your focus on empowering the most greedy among us leads to.
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  280. They need to pretend you are a monster to maintain thier ignorance which is the foundation of thier identity. They can't talk to you as it forces them to face how out of touch they are.
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  281. Beginning to wonder? Welcome to reality fox host!
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  282. Lol, He barely lost against a political legacy juggernaut who had the entire media and democratic party establishment corporate donor loving sellouts tilting the scale. No one even knew his name when he started and with limited media access he still almost won with small donors alone. Pretending that is weak is deeply ignorant, it is literally unprecedented. No one the establishment ran again could pull it off today.
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  283. oio oio It had nothing to do with being a plant, he was positioning himself for the future. He supported the candidate that won and was dutiful because it would do nothing but serve trumps election for him to do otherwise. He will run again and when he does no amount of cheating will be able to stop him.
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  284. NoneOfTheAbove I am sensitive to these concerns and have taken direct issue with TJ and Sam on these issues from a viewers perspective. Dawkins not so much. It has been a couple years since the clock thing and it does not color my contempory views of Dawkins. He may have supported some questionable positions but does not qualify as a pest and micheals spin on him here is over the top and seems in service to theists and the status quo not the left.
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  285.  @kcolonelx6181  very fair
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  286. Umm ... this is a pretty good point I had not even thought of.
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  287. These clowns need to be turned away at the door of any hospital they ever go to.
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  288. That is hipster doofis fascist ...
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  289. This is a guy who is a liar, we have the video to prove it. He should be charged.
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  290. She can not and that is why it was rape, even if consensual it was a rape.
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  291. johnny depth I do when he says stupid things.  It is not just about disagreeing with him, it is the guy is out of his depth on almost every subject of public policy I have seen him discuss.  He is so prone to gaffs and saying plainly incorrect or naive things it is clear even if he is a good surgeon he is not a deep thinker.   Calling him a moron has nothing to do with blood.  Saying so has NOTHING to do with his race as I call plenty of white clowns moron too ..  I am an equal opportunity observer.  
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  292. kathy kelly Abandoning your family and friends because they do not agree with your new ideology and are labeled "abusive" because of it is wholly destructive and does nothing but bind your converts to you.  This is what cults do.
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  293. Oddible Fam Profiteering and monopolies exist in places with no government too. That we allow these corporations and the uber rich to legally buy our officials is the problem not that we have a government in the first place. Your solution is akin to cutting off your arm because finger is sore.  Places with no state regulation are no more fair and no more free of "crony capitalists" than places with it in fact the places that have no regulation are consistently corrupt dirty hell holes.  There is a reason the very same people who currently corrupt our system put out the same talking points you use.  If they can game the system while they are not supposed to taking away all rules will not hurt them and just means they do not have to buy officials anymore.  The answer is to stop them from doing it in the first place.  Primarily by making the giving of money to them illegal thereby making elected officials work for us their voters and not the highest bidder..
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  294. I would rather the corporate robots be taxed first .
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  295. Joseph Scott Yes label them as delusional because they are.  They have a faith based view of how the economy would work and have never had their ideas validated by reality.   We know what happens when there is no min wage and we do not have to do a thought experiment to see it.
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  296. Joel Fisher Secularism respects their right to make their own choices with what they do with their body and life when fundamentalists clearly do not.
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  297. Nonsense,  people watched that same video and saw Alex as the cancer he is and were glad to see Cenks justified anger at a shill and propagandist lying to his face on his own show.  It is safe to say your are dishonest and it is your spin is the thing that is pathetic here jones fan boy.
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  298. shirehorse91 You are the dumb ass,  even Israel is not spitting out the bullshit numbers you are trying sell.  Calling people stupid while saying plainly stupid things does not do much to make you look sharp.
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  299. More are joining than leaving, just so you know you are not missed.
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  300. loki2240 I have heard that spin too but it does not make sense from a book that says a woman has to marry her rapist after he pays her father for her. Freedom does not ring as a priority in the text full of backward strictures and edicts. Not to mention as you pointed out there are actual rules for slavery in it.
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  301. Sadly agree, he sprinkles actual concerns among dross and misdirection.
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  302. Blaming vaccination for our massive death count is counter factual and not attached to the data. We failed so badly beciase of our garbage health care system and govenment inaction.
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  303. Get out and vote ...
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  304. As you defend Tucker calling anyone a "sanctimonious hack job" is fucking hilarious.
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  305.  Dr Downtime  Trump promised many things and broke his promise on most of them. The fact is he is not what he advertised himself as in 2016 and I get why many former voters are fleeing his train wreck of a campaign.
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  306.  Dr Downtime  His lies are overt partisan nonsense, I have never seen a Prime Minister or President who consistently lies in such a nakedly manipulative way as he overtly misrepresents his opponents and even his own polices. His lies are on a whole new level. It is shocking to me that people can not see it. Trump is unique kind of dishonest cancer. No one hold a candle to him. Pretending this is normal is ridiculous.
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  307. Is simple way to demonize being decent, those using it is as hard mask off on what kind of person they are.
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  308. It is a Hard mask off when the "anti indoctrination" crowd partners with Prager U
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  309. Listening Rogan wax poetic about stuff he knows nothing about hurts my ears.
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  310. Sinema is no kind of moderate, she is corporate radical and basically a republican.
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  311. Even better, direct payments to people let go over the virus.
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  312.  @jamesoakes4842  She is less likely to get the polices she wants because she is not willing to rally the troops and fight for what is important in the same way propping up the status quo and nothing will get done. Bernie's hammer and threat to go into the back yards of leaders that ignore ideas with popular support is the only path we can expect change.
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  313.  @SC-yv3ns  There are no anticipated long term side effects of concern and no concern to rival the danger and potential damage done by catching the virus. Your chances of an adverse reaction to the vaccine are equivalent to winning the lottery, your chances with the virus a raffle at your local bar. Like it or not you are the cultist, you are not special and know nothing I do not. You are part of selective information cult built up to make you feel informed as your regularly make erroneous claims with unfounded confidence. The ivermectin scam is about money and nothing else. I censor noone and read up on the claims of the people you cite. I do not have a political dog in this fight and am following the science and its international consensus. Not just select clowns from my face book feed like some apparently do.
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  314. So are invasions.
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  315.  @sjw4life546  The fact is the silver lining little more than the same silver paint we have been counting as good. The rich have made billions extra but over this cycle but that is hardly a silver lining that should be encouraging to most anyone else. The fact is there is plenty to be doom and glooming about, this situation makes the 08 crash look like a picnic and the virus fallout will get worse before it gets better. I see not upside in sunshine and daisies as a promotion for a loser that failing hard in almost every single category. The second wave is on the cusp of hitting us and that is not doom and gloom but a very reasonable interpretation of existing data. Quit doing trumps work for him, we have a enough fact free right wingers spreading the same without your help.
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  316. This truth can not be restated too often.
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  317. fixed dog Only halfwits use the term "leftists" or pretend they hate "whites". You have no idea what the left stands for and put an imaginary boogie man in their place to justify our stupid destructive spin.
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  318. JAY MIDDY I do not support either party because they are both corporate hacks and sellouts. That does not mean I am not on the left. That both our major parties are corrupt does not mean the left and the right are the same or value the same things. Standing against overt racists and assholes who are proudly deeply bigoted is worthwhile even our political system is fucked. Don't mistake me for someone who does not understand the root issue here even as I attack the right for its innate deep and unrepentant flaws or assholes who misrepresent themselves to try to look reasonable when they are not.
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  319. JAY MIDDY Why do you imagine I excuse our government bombing anyone? Why do you imagine I am unaware of the fact our "liberal democracy" supports 70% of the world dictators? Why do you imagine I am not aware of the fact our government is sale to the highest bidder on both sides? Why do you think I am concerned about attendance at "frat parties"? I do care if one citizen here fights to systematically marginalize another because of stupid counter productive bigoted reason. I do this because I believe personal freedom and equality of opportunity should be the corner stone of our system. I can care about bigots and the issues you describe, I am not restricted in that way. I see no allies on anything I stand for in the crowd of bigots you want me to ignore because of other things I also oppose. Bernie got cheated because he actually cared about the people and was progressive. He was not focused on the donors and so they just barely succeeded in marginalizing him as their ideas not popular on the left. They are not acting on our behalf or according to our principles and so they had to cheat to win. Pretending what i said is about a party is myopic as I never once mentioned the democrats establishment or otherwise. That the establishment democrats have abandoned liberal principles does not mean those principles do not exist or that there is no right wing to fight. The world is and has been backward for a long time and no matter how many terrible things you can point at there is no reason not to stand against overt bigots who marginalize and hold back people based on nothing but skin color. I could not disagree with you more as there MOST CERTAINLY A RIGHT WING for me to fight. The people who vote for the right are the same people who universally support the policy you outlined even as both parties do it.
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  320. As long as Raythion gets a ban too
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  321. Never has
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  322. ​ @MontanaMountainMen Your spin is empty and stupid, Bernie care is not slur you think it is halfwit. All your arguments are asserted ignorance or overt deceit.
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  323. 1/2 Bit She never said she was native halfwit.
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  324. His views 15 years ago mean nothing, literally nothing. Trying to say he is tricking anyone because of things he renounced 15 years ago is poorly thought out nonsense. They are lying about him because he is not corrupt and that is it. Buying into this overtly dishonest spin is a naked snuggling up to hard corruption and nothing more.
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  325. It is a global goal, he wants progressives to bend over an pretend they are republicans so they can be bipartisan with intransigent right wingers.
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  326. Generally, in this case it seems apt.
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  327. Always a sticking point when complaining about the pandemic response, they own it, they fucked it up, they do not get to complain about it so they pretend there is no problem. It is their go to modus operandi.
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  328.  @bartjargengarblbargeler1980  stupid spin.
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  329.  @robjones555  Not really. But there is always going to be some. Assholes should be primary targets if so.
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  330.  @SettingItStraight1  Hey look another halfwit that does not know what a communist is (points and laughs). You are a boat load of stupid talking points and typify how weak you losers ideas are. This garbage reflects on you pathetic clowns not Cenk you simpleton. Keep up the good work waving the I am stupid flag, it is nice to so easily pick you mouth breathers out.
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  331. The establishment is splitting the party on behalf of the donors. Bernie's polices are universally popular with democratic voters and the only reason the "standard sell out democrats" get any support at all is because they own the media. The "non Bernie" democrats need to get out of the way and let us win instead of handing the election to the GOP because they are paid to. If you are really concerned about Trump stop paying lip service to establishment talking points and join a team that knows how to win elections against a populist.
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  332. Always has ..
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  333.  @memyselfandi2506  The people taking it have largely been in Africa for the last few decades. You may not know this but parasitic infections hit farm animals worse than humans in the US. I am not a big fan of joe, but that is irrelevant. I simply see that saying what a drug is primarily used for makes sense from an actual honest perspective. Even if I was a Joe simp (like some seem to be), this would be fine with me.
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  334.  @justme-hh4vp  They are calling him a masogonist because he says misogynist things. This is not a complex idea. Misogyny exists and Jimmy jumps in it!
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  335.  @Biggdogg59  You mean a loser right?
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  336.  @christophermayes5272  Actually because kids lack a perspective themselves they are more likely to see this hateful little parrot for what she is.
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  337.  @idimo7976  I did not contradict myself at all. I see you erroneously linking the promotion of mono cultures and economic globalism. If they have any connection it is incidental as people seek to move where there is opportunity and a better class of life. Immigration has increased because it is easier and cheaper. That is not attached to globalization at all, it connected to the expansion of technology that has made the world a much smaller place. At one time people rarely went 50 miles from their home, those days are gone forever. So "they" did not. Any assertion "they" did is silly. There are economically right wing liberals and they are the problem as much as economically right wing conservatives. Liberalism is not the issue at all in any way you have highlighted. Because you do not like it does not mean you get to link them. I have noted in places that have enforced religious freedom the troglodytes are an ever smaller minority year to year. The places without religious freedom are dens of troglodyte behavior. Fundamentalists exist in every single society but the troglodyte cancer they represent is mitigated in places secularism is enforced. As long as they harm no one and do not demand their nonsense is pushed into law their right to be deeply conservative idiots is protected. The more conservative the place the more they act in a troglodyte way, so blaming liberals for that phenomena seems bizarre. These foreigners you despise are deeply conservative and only become tolerable from your stated perspective once they adopt liberal western values of plurality and equality. As you talk about black criminals and sexual deviants you sound like the kind of old man who should be and generally is ignored. You and yours never valued freedom and spit on it as you attack things feigning morality you do not show. When you shove your personal standards down other adults throats to make you feel better I see that as actual moral filth. it is the reason I oppose conservatives generally. I have no interest in maintaining the status quo but have not bought in to the tribal nonsense that owns you. I see you as controlled opposition on behalf of the real monsters that are fucking us all over to throw another bucket of money onto the pile. Your passion and concern is 100% real but is misdirected to attack people with no power. You do this while consistently giving cover to the actual cancer of establishment types who do.
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  338.  @wildzubatappeared  If he was to sell off 40 billion of whatever asset he decided to part with the market would happily gobble it up. The investor could safely expect it to continue generate the fantastic kind of growth that forces the poor guy to have to settle for being 30 billion richer rather than 70. A planned sell off does not necessarily decrease the stock value, in the case of grade A topical stocks like Amazon they sell themselves. Large volume sales are highly desired on these holdings and help stock prices when sold in planned chunks.
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  339.  @wildzubatappeared  I do not think the poor are entitled to his money. I think the entire country is as he made it here and would have nothing without us. The fact you pretend to want education is betrayed by the party you support who hate it unless they can skim some public coin off the top.
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  340.  @wildzubatappeared  You are incorrect, people are poor because they lack opportunities, education and that there is not enough for everyone to be a billionaire. Someone has to make burgers and do all the shit that needs to be done you and I do not want to do. 80% of the country could not afford a 400.00 emergency before the pandemic. Saying they should have been putting away 100 a month is tone deaf. Income inequality has been getting far worse for decades not because of a lack of investment knowledge but because the system is rigged for a tiny group at the top. There is a tiny group who is reaping the vast majority of the countries rewards as per design. Treating people who are not rich as some kind of failure is an ignorant spin meant to marginalize them so a system which has been crafted to serve the richest can continue to do so. Over the last 40 years there has been war on those who work for a living started by those who buy our leaders to socialize their loss's while only they reap the rewards of their gains. The rich have gotten exponentially richer while everyone else has fallen back even as we have all been far more productive than ever. You are not a future billionaire, you need to stop pretending you will be. If you ever do make it to be one then you will have no reason to cry about paying some taxes as money will no longer be an issue for you.
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  341. No, he is only pro forced birth. He spits on life all the time.
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  342. I would argue it is not healthy at all. Jimmy is peeling away otherwise passionate supporters for the cause toward doing nothing by shitting on all our actual progress as failure.
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  343.  @FritoPieRocks  I would argue he is attracting some disaffected Bernie voters who are angry at how marginalized there were in primary are and are looking to lash out. Jimmy scratches that itch by taking real issues and spinning them back on progressives to eat at their own power base. You are probably correct about these people not being the movers or shakers. But to see otherwise ostensible allies peeled off in the name of reactionary nonsense and horrible spin is problematic at the very least. I would concur that jimmy is not talking the most open minded of effective citizens into his camp. But he is taking bodies and I see no upside in ignoring his spin is consistently damaging.
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  344. These guys making the same failed arguments as 10 years ago is sad.
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  345. Unless you are on what the GOP calls a witch hunt.
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  346. Attacking congressmen for now engaging is pretty stupid spin.
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  347. At least they do not openly cheer on racism. It is sad how easily they are duped but it means we need to fight that much harder to overcome the dishonest voices drowning out honest ones.
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  348. They need to be held to account, sue them into oblivion.
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  349. A distinction without a difference ..
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  350. Very clever .. made me smile.
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  351.  @redrick8900  Not sure where you have been. They have proved it over and over. It is not hard to understand why. Corperate democrats are bought by the same monsters that own the gop. They are paid to lose by spitting on a majority of their base to press lobbist policy. Bill props them to give them a semblance of crediblity, he is a pale shadow of what he once was.
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  352.  @sophiedash4026  A handful of rich people are. Many are closing or are not making money at all, hence Trump screaming about reopening everything no matter how many it kills while doing nothing to help as he only hands bailouts to other billionaires and hates normal people getting help.
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  353. Can't be helped, it echo's the nature of his soul.
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  354.  shurednichso  Sadly I do not think there is, your moral support is appreciated. I am not in his district but do what I can, I wish I could vote for him.
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  355. Maybe he will poorly roll the dice one of these times and make himself a martyr for whatever regressive cause he is pushing this week.
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  356. And empowering them by letting the Nazi''s run rampant for a long time before being forced into the war by the Japanese
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  357. It is not bigotry. Traitor is not a protected class.
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  358. Meanwhile that did not stop Indiana from issuing tax cuts ... this spin is bullshit,
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  359. Lucky guy ... pleased he got what he wanted.
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  360.  @Atmost11  I can name them. Space ex is a good thing and is creating a viable less expensive option to put things into low earth orbit which has numerous applications that have benefit for all. Tesla is a good innovation and is changing the way we look at cars and is a new way of both distributing and operating a vehicle that breaks the traditional model. Paypal is a great service and fills a need inside the online community. I could go on but if you think these are all useless I am not sure what you would consider worthwhile.
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  361. Have looked, it makes Jimmy look like a human stain. That you stand by him makes you look like garbage too. Own it.
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  362.  @kodekorp2064  There has been no proof of lies or smears, Jimmy is the one smearing here and frankly even his own defense validates the claims against him. How are they nasty? Outside some old school trollish crying I have seen nothing to validate that assertion. There have always been dishonest yahoo's making the same claims you do and this spin by a grifter that only attacks left is no different. Your assertion they show has no substance has no substance. As a long time watcher of the show I will trust my lying eyes as opposed to your empty claims. No one said you had to watch or donate but none of the nonsense you blurt supports Jimmies side. They have always asked for money and that people like you attempt to make that into an attack is always baffling to me. I would rather they crowd fund like they are than be jimmy who gets his money from who knows where.
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  363.  @kodekorp2064  Objectification of woman? Are you kidding me? You have to be either a strange special snowflake or an overt liar to even make this claim. This misogyny garbage is a naked establishment opo attack you have fallen for. I have been watching for as long as the show has been on. I have watched Jimmy on and off over his entire time on this venue. I do not see what you do and recognize these attacks on them as a variation on right what wing trolls in the comment section have spat for the whole time. The characterisation of them attacking allies and misrepresenting others is much better applied to Jimmy and those like him than it does TYT. I do not have to like or agree with everything TYT says and does to reject your empty spin that has no value. These attacks are like wedge issue complaints that do little more than attack a group that agree's with me on policy and has been part of positive change we need. I can not say anything remotely similar for an actor like Jimmy. They were pointing out Jimmy's character as he uses 5 year old troll talking points to attack them on baseless bullshit while not even denying he was abusive at work. His defense in this example is a story of him being abusive for gods sakes. You are like the 3rd person I have talked to that complained they asked for money like that is some kind of fail. Did you get some emails? That must explain why you are so mad. No one is making you pay anything and your spin is an appeal to a problem you have that I do not remotely understand. All these attacks are old school nonsense. When you use right wing smears to attack someone you may be a npc, just so you know.
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  364.  @robi6317  Then why, the virus is not serious enough to warrant taking a vaccine but is serious enough to take horse dewormer?
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  365. He asked him if there was a difference, he wanted him to acknowledge there was.
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  366.  @DdraigGoch84  Jimmy is an incrementalism enabler, controlled opposition.
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  367.  @dankyden  The reason no steps are taken is because the "establishment" opposes said policy. This is their achilleas heel. The left has zero power in government and I have no illusions they do. But that does not change with stepping up to fight in ways that actually change the conversation. It may be hard to see what has been achieved to date as success but I see the steps taken so far as fundamental to any way forward. I do not think that it will take as long to start replacing these unpopular do nothing centrists who have ever less credibility while progressive ideas are in ascendance in the party while the party itself opposes them. There is a breaking point that is coming of the same kind the republicans faced when the establishment was crushed by a populist sounding trump. The days of both parties putting up card board cutouts of the clown they want to push. We are not talking 20 years for a significate shift we are looking at the next couple cycles to push hard and offer a real options to voters besides republican and republican light. The key is going to be to paint the establishment dems are radical. And they are in terms of what their base wants, it is about taking the framing they beat Bernie over the head with and turning more appropriately back on them. They are already unpopular, it will not be hard to make stick.
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  368.  @justicewalking  I see it as moving faster than you think. We are near a tipping point where the support will grow expontially as the good ideas are sold and made popular Even as the main steam media marginalizes those same ideas it undermines establishment crediblity further with their last few dupes. The establishment is not in full control and even as they hold the reigns of power and drive the media narrative. Even as they do half the democratic base sees through it and the entire gop base.entirely rejects it. Their grip on the minds of america failing and the future.of establishment spin is not bright For the first time in a very long time we have the tools we need. We have a popularized but establishment meligned policies narritive to sell. A proven funding and campaign mechanism that end runs tradion to open the door to leaders ready to go to work. Please note all the seats in congress lost were blue dogs. Not one candidate running Medicare for all lost even in contested states. This says a lot. I really do understand cynisim as this is taking too long but see a path ahead that puts leaders in at every level who are focused on change not sucking up to the highest bidder. Now is the time to engage and fight harder.
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  369.  J0J0 D Artiste  I do not care about easy or hard, I care about effective. Leaving them at our backs with knives has zero upside and will split the left vote giving the GOP who should have no chance a good one to continue to win. As bad as the DNC is we can not afford any more republican rule.
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  370.  @anthonygonzalez9422  The party does not have to reform, we just have to boot those who will not change.
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  371.  @benkleschinsky  Jimmy shits on any progressive that attempts to do anything. His support of progressives is questionable after his blanket blank support for Tulsi over everyone else.
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  372.  @anderseckstrand7033  The GOP does engage it's alt right base, Trump gives winks and nods to them all the time. He has even enacted policy to make them happy. The fact the DNC spits on half it's base is an indication they are paid to lose. The entirely owned GOP panders to the sickest elements of its base while the corporate sellouts on the "left" spit on theirs.
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  373.  @heidibenner1577  this is plainly nonsense. Their power to manipulate the party is directly propertional to the number of like minded leaders. The squad is.first through the door a proof of concept that can only gain power. The idea establishment democrats are unbeatable is betrayed how many toe to toe contests they lose to overt monsters that should be easy to destroy. They have unpopular policy and spit on the policy their base wants. They are emmently beatable, it just takes the will to fight.
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  374.  @heidibenner1577  You can only effect as much change as you have power. You may want them to spit on Nancy more and I would be inclined to go harder myself. That being said pretending they are useless or in the establishments pocket is not grounded in reality. You have been taken in by spin meant to discourage you and empower the very cancer your seem to oppose. The idea AOC is owned by the establishment because of the poorly thought out mamma bear comment is not the drop the mike moment you seem to think it is. The DNC hates the left and the squad as much as ever. But with their growing popularity it is getting harder to make effective and sane sounding attacks and this reflects in the popularity of each respective group. Progressive policy is now supported by wide majorities of the base and the longer the establishment runs away from what their base wants the stronger the progressive wing will get.
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  375.  @heidibenner1577  Oh, how many elections did they win? You do know that Biden was elected with the largest vote count on record right? This is because they had a reason to vote, Trump is that bad. But that does not have to be what the Dems run on. Of the leaders that ran on M4A none lost, the corporate losers again handed over seats. If you think the GOP winning is bad and things going backwards the answer is to replace these corporate sellouts so we can give something for voters to vote for instead of just against.
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  376.  @Vanderearden  Limited numbers in power, I thought that was clear. That is because 2016 there was literally no one running on this platform because it did not exist. The voters support these polices in large margins but were tricked into pushing support into Biden who they were told was safe. It is a trick they will not be able to pull off again against a candidate who points out the establishment are the radical ones as they ignore the will of the base. Your standard is not well well thought out. The fact they do yet not have enough members to enact any bills themselves especially without support of leadership does not mean they are useless. They are the first ones into the breach and that expect them have taken over already means you do not understand a third party with the same numbers would have the exact same amount of power to set policy.
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  377.  @Vanderearden  It is not complicated. The fact is Schumer backed by a stain like Joe is still better than Mitch and his pack of sellouts that have every single fail the neo liberal centrists do plus a raft they don't. Schumer is primarily better because his base is better. He will not block everything that is attempted. Even if they only pass incrementalist change because of his donor based limitations it is still better than what mitch will do. Mitch overtly supports raw patisan do nothing but super serve the donors stasis while having every single issue Chuck does. I totally understand that the establishment democrats in leadership have the same limitations as the GOP because they chase the same donors. The key difference is one has a base that values ideas like democracy and basic governance. The GOP clearly does not and win by cutting voter roles, gerrymandering and overtly lying about what their opponents stand for. If there is a choice of which corporate party is in charge that is an easy choice for me as one party has a base that agrees with me and another who I directly and consistently oppose as fact free dupes We are literally represented by elected law makers even if the system has been traditionally skewed toward one type of candidate. Neither focus's on me but one is overtly hostile to what I stand for and the other at least pretends not to be a corporate sellout. Choosing one is not a matter of who I support but who I wish to oppose in power and fight see their policy changed. I see no path to do so with the GOP but see the establishment democrats can be bent or broken as the movement I belong to gains power. Progressives have literally put major polices on the map over the last 4 years. Ideas like a living wage and M4A now have majority support with all voters even as the establishment wings of both parties ignore that fact. Rome was not built in a day and your estimation of progressive wins is famed by a dishonest narrative that promotes stasis and encourages hopelessness in the face of real appreciable gains. I have no idea why you are talking about 40 years when this movement is a scant 4 years old and has already shifted the Overton window in a way it has not moved in decades. I know exactly what neo-liberalism is and would argue the progressive movement is the only response to it that has any hope of effecting change. Neo-liberalism and neo-conservatism have the same economic and military goals and are the enemies of what I stand for. I hold the positions I do because I see the establishment as feckless and vulnerable. It is ripe to be taken over as they stand for nothing and as you point out do not serve their voters at all. That is their innate weakness, it is the reason Donald and the Tea party were able to crush the establishment GOP even if their actual opposition to it was a mirage. I know exactly what the words I use mean. If you do not see that the GOP openly pines for a federal cop on every corner police state or the idea elections overridden by fiat is fascist then you define these terms differently than I do. There is little on this subject you can inform me on as I have forgotten more about this subject that most will ever learn. Your spin I do not understand what I am talking about is empty dismissal that has no substance. So stop with the unearned superiority, it is not remotely compelling.
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  378.  @skinerd0001  stasis. Doing nothing that will change anything. He is tool of give up and try to start your own party so we can have total power with no effective oppostion
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  379.  @skinerd0001  i understand the inclination to a third party. I just see doing so as direct service to the establishment ensuring they retain control. Instead of thinking they are unbeatable I see them as weak and unpopular and there is no reason to leave corporate democrats un-primaried in deep blue districts the gop can't win. I see no reason to abandon red states because the donors want them to. Both sets of establsihment leaders are shit and need to be challenged everywhere. I dislike Jimmy's spin becuase he shits on anyone in the dems even if they do good work. He has gone full halfwit on calling justice dems sellouts for being in the party.
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  380.  @Vanderearden  I expect nothing from Biden but to be slightly better than Trump. I am not sure why you think I expect big change from Biden, I know what he is. My faith is in new elements of the party to carry us forward as we all know the old guard is a fail. You expect the new is not real change I see no reason to think that besides naked cynisim.
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  381.  @Vanderearden  They are coordinating. But there are just 10 of them for now. The movement is brand new by political standards. Forget about the progressive caucus. That was a weak fisrt attempt that included corporate democrats and no standard on how anyone should vote. The new movement that i put my effort in is cohesive and will only gain power. You appear to belive I have hope for unity with establishment dems. I do not, I see them as weak and beatable. That being said they are better than anyone in the gop until they can be replaced. The next and most important round in the fight begins here and now. Your spin seems to assert just getting elected as a democrat corrupts candidates. I do not see there is any data to support that conclusion. Both Jimmy's and your spin seems a hopelessness call to stasis. I can not lay down and do that. It is time to stand up and actually fight for change. I do not see shitting on our advancements as any kind of win.
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  382.  @Vanderearden  Fair, as mine is clearly going over. your head too. Cheers.
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  383. @D2 E2 Jimmy's actual argument precludes you even trying to elect people that have any interest in doing so. Rome was not built or torn down in a day, that they do not have power to enact the policies today is no reason not to fight too.
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  384. Lawrence Imbeclic? Nice work laying out how stupid you are in a single post with the 1-2 punch of of using the word libtard and then posting indecipherable gibberish.
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  385. All the FOX crowd has is overt lies defending a system we all know is shit. Good luck with that shills, you are losing for a good reason! It warms my heart to see your stupid narrative fall apart before my eyes.
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  386.  @SteveRelentless  Jimmy, israel is widely vaccinated. The occupied territories they control are not. They are leaving palestinians out, stop dishonestly simping for them.
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  387. Do GOP senator's have any authority to do this, especially as the minority?
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  388.  @dumbl4421  The term atheist refers to single position on a single subject and says nothing about any of the atheist's other beliefs. To be an atheist is a stand alone assertion that does not share anything with religion other than the fact it speaks to belief in a deity. Atheist's may not be immune to propaganda, they are untouched religious propaganda as there is no dogma attached to not believing in something.
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  389. Hard to hear them whine about being censored as they make bank off saying it.
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  390. Very well said .. this point is spot on.
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  391. He is moving there. People care about what their candidates stand for not that they have a house in the district when they declare. This is a centrist talking point that has all the merit one would expect from people who run from talking about substantive ideas like policy and representing their voters. It is an empty nothing burger meant to confuse the stupid and the vapid and needs to be called out as such.
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  392. I do not think that taxes going up is an issue if it is net less than they already pay. The taxes going up talking point to appeals to people who are slow and can't do math. Then there is the fact that people do not like their insurance companies as a rule, very few real people will be sad to see them and their co-payments go.
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  393. But no matter what they call it these robber barins are not ppoukar and it can appeal to the right and left.
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  394. In Rudy's defense, snowflakes hit the ground much harder than normal people.
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  395.  @saturationstation1446  How about we be more like Norway, no one is saying we should be like Venezuela ... no one. You are arguing against a naked straw man.
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  396. @Dave Waldon  Biden is republicanish, not full republican. Thank goodness.
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  397.  @Jfre2  It is not even about that. they are a business and have no impetus to promote bigoted views that many reflect badly on them with any of their chosen market. This issues is not about disagreeing, it is about the fact they said you can't say that on their platform because it is a business that is meant to appeal to all. It is their house and they have every right to limit what they choose to put out. This not a free speech issue, Matt can say whatever he wants. He does not get access to anyone's resources to do it if he can't follow the rules.
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  398. Anyone still defending Jimmy is a idiot or a human stain, the distinction does not amount to a difference at this point.
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  399.  @thetruthseeker3198  "why death rates have gone up around the world though since the rollout", um two words. Worldwide pandemic, blaming the vaccine and not the virus is silly. You should probably avoid a job that requires looking at statistics. Brand has hopped on the vaccine "skeptic" bandwagon to appeal to people still up in their feelings on a vaccine that is no longer a mystery.
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  400. If you think Obama`s economic theory is remotely progressive I reiterate you have no clue what we think. We attack his spin all the time and only the fact he did something instead of the nothing the right would have done has mitigated the total disaster being faced by the UK. Every issue you speak of is a conservative proposition supported by a majority of conservatives, to call them progressive is laughable. It is time you leave your fact free bubble and find out what we do stand for.
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  401. Is "Trump" a race?
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  402. Too bad for you, he got fired and is banned from You tube. You will have to look hard to find another moron like him.
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  403. No one is introducing anything to your kids you dishonest lie disseminators. Teaching kids to respect the difference of their peers is not grooming or teaching them about sex. What you monsters are demanding is that we roll back time and enact the kind of bigotry these post boomers grew up with. Shame is a not a virtue, schools should not be teaching it.
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  404. @Sjw Slayer he Chinise is no longer full blown communists if they ever were. They are now essentially fascists with some communist window dressing, a system designed enrich the athoritarian elites and party officals m running it. The US right has much mor in common with Chinese leadership than the actual US left which is not represented in leadership here.
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  405.  @FactsFirst  You are an idiot owned by greedy monsters that would step over the bodies of your family for a nickel. You ignorantly straw man the what is even being fought for as 40% of people sit out if work and destitute. Your support of greedy monsters has put us closer to starvation than any time in the last century here. Just stop parroting nonsense.
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  406. Physically fighting because you disagree with someone is the childish thing to do, the sane talk and can discuss differences like adults. Go find a safe space to hide from debate out of control snowflake.
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  407. Medicare for all does not necessarily preclude supplemental insurance if you want to buy it.
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  408.  @mpgallogly  There is that, but when they are painted as baby eating communists they are going tro do that no matter what the dems do.
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  409.  @dr.virtuoso  Your concern about support for Hezbollah is empty bullshit and you know it. One does not have to support religious reactionaries to point out Israel is treating an entire people as like untried criminals. Your concern about Hamas is noted but ignores who actually has power and who suffers every single day. Nothing you share justifies the Israel's overtly apartheid policy you apparently support.
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  410. I choose not to agree with you on this one Sam, I am going forward assuming he will continue to run.
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  411. She is, I am not sure what a vote that will not pass and can not be made into law does. We already have a bunch of fake M4A co-sponsors. How is a vote that will not pass change anything?
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  412. Short answer, cash.
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  413. Flu season is not likely to be as bad this year. Every effort to mitigate covid we normally do not take works for the flu too.
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  414.    That has nothing to do with my point. I am saying the flu season will not be as bad as normal because the precautions many are taking for covid by default work for the flu too.
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  415. They have nothing but empty concern trolling and weak talking points that dodge the issues on purpose. They are innately weak
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  416. They are desperate to find something to attack him on .. they are like hey they hate rich people (listening to their own stupid narrative too long) lets hit him on that.
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  417. To watch him with a working brain is to dismiss him.
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  418. Yep, they won. But the fact is it turned out Obama was a centrist despite how he ran.
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  419. To every moron saying she claimed she was an "Indian" or native american she never did so. She claimed a family story said that they had native blood, as it turns out she did.
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  420. They seem to do an OK job of making fun of losers who call everyone they disagree with Marxist
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  421. Grifters gotta grift
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  422. Breaking points is a mess
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  423. Not nearly that close to the summit.
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  424.  @dukelee3964  We are going to win the battle, it is not a matter of if but when. I just do not see throwing our troops into a no win situation as the best use of our for now limited political capital. Half our country does not even believe the pandemic is real and hate anything to do with fixing our broken medical system. Of the other half that would support M4A half of that only gets their info from MSNBC. In the main stream media this action will be painted as supporting republicans by possibly voting them into the speakership to push a policy that will not pass. The media will not paint our leaders as hero's but radicals and in a time of trump hatred the label may stick all for a demand I do not see moving the needle much right now. I just think at this moment in time there is better use for our political capital that can make real differences. I am not against a vote on M4A but I will not call my leaders traitors for not adopting it as I can see downsides too. There are a 100 things I would rather see them demand that would be of greater benefit in the here and now.
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  425.  @dukelee3964  It is a single strategy that feels like a license to piss on the only people who value the idea of change. I just see it as of limited value and seek to apply strategy that moves us forward instead of cutting us down.
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  426. People are getting fed up with working for scraps while they watch opulence flow around them.
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  427.  @andyjackson3414  Not the countries fault, we need to invade no one to claw back our money from the offshore accounts they hide it in. All it takes is the will to do so, they make their money here it is fair we tax it here.
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  428.  @selfishcapitalist3523  I am not sure what that means. We should all be cool taxing the richest who have never been richer. The same ass's who gamed the system and have been draining the hard working middle class's wealth into their own pockets for decades. They have bought both parties with campaign money who then give THEM tax cuts you defend while consistently ignoring those who work for a living. Tax cuts for working people have value, tax cuts for the rich do nothing but take money our pockets to give more to those who have more than they could ever use. The days of anyone who works or has worked for living to shill for these crony capitalist parasites has to end. Defending trickle down economics is untenable, it has been for a long time.
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  429.  @sergeikhripun  Silly, your claims are both incorrect and would not mean what you pretend they do if they were valid.
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  430. She has problems, she is by most accounts very very progressive second only to Bernie. Her record has flaws but she pushes for good policy and supports good policy despite her set backs she is a key progressive elected ally. Bernie is head and shoulders better, if she is a fake progressive you set a standard that excludes almost everyone.
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  431. Yet here you are, rolling in the salt as you cry about it.
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  432. Odd the establishment freaks out, should be used to it by now.
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  433.  @utterlyviolet  You need to be able to read.
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  434. I question the veracity of his "truth"
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  435. @Sammy N Then every other president kicked it further in space. The GOP is wholly corrupt and the dems are just weak copies chasing the same donor money.
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  436. Poor things. Having to make do with 30 billion in gains, how could he possibly manage on such a pittance.
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  437. The right never has been principled on free speech. Their caterwauling about it now is nothing but another attack line against a group which on mass defends speech rights. They do this to demonize people who stand against them and to cover for their own innate flaws.
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  438. Agree, I find it soothing the market judging him a failure.
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  439. Robe Spier I love debate and would happily crush you on this subject. Calling those with your spin bigots is a simple matter of fact, it is clear from your attempt to dodge the label the truth does indeed hurt. I call you a bigot because it is apt and not to silence you. The fact is the more you talk the worse you look.
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  440. She is as dopy as they come, every time I see her speak I have to double check to see it is not a SNL skit.
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  441.  @RogerStarks  Deworming drugs will not help you in any way with Covid. You can catch the virus even if vaccinated but you will not get it less readily and its effects will be less deadly if you do. This is not a complex idea. As a rule you should avoid taking drugs unless your doctor prescribes them. If you are cool taking a deworming drug for covid there should be no issue with you taking a shot designed to attack the virus you are seeking protection from.
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  442. Steven Crowder's reason for existence is to create division and to lie about the other side. It is literally what he does.
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  443. He is not a liberal, he is a Koch brothers shill with intolerant hateful friends who would spit on his own relationship. With friends like that you have no friends.
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  444. Avraham Hirsch  Why would you hang with people who call your relationship immoral to your face?
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  445. She said she would, discovery would be deeply problematic for her.
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  446. Tolerance of intolerance empowers the original intolerance and eventually crushes tolerance all together.
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  447.  @GrammarOfficerKrupke  I could not disagree more. We have more than enough critiques of the lef by the right and center.
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  448. Part of the reason these clowns also belong to evangelical organizations that fleece them by appealing to all the traits you just listed.
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  449. The entire GOP shares the Rick Scoot economic plan. Scott is simply the only one saying the quiet part, outload.
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  450. Tea party had main stream media support do to the big money backers behind it. This is not the same thing.
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  451. On purpose, understanding it is not their job. Smearing it on behalf of the insurance companies and the status quo they love is.
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  452. Sure. They should still allow their workers to unionize.
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  453.  @Woodbug-b7t  Actually not an issue, if there is no election a large number of senators lose their seats at the end of the term. The president the vp and 1/3 of the senators term's end. A new session of senate needs to be called before a president could be chosen and sworn in. Without an election the vacated seats in the senate would be set by the governors as temporary representatives. As it turns out more contested senate seats would be chosen by democratic governors than republican's. This would give the Dems the majority in the senate. Even then senate does not get to pick who becomes president, the President Pro Tempore of the Senate (oldest member of majority party) becomes president. Short answer Trump is done if there is no election, no way to change that.
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  454. Armando7654 Probably should not call anyone a liar, that is your gig you own it.
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  455. tx pap No one reasonable should blame "white people" and as white person myself I take no responsibility for those in the past nor should I.  When one talks about this issue the ones to vilify are the slave owners, traders and shippers who took brutal advantage of a group of others to enrich themselves.  But even they were only working in context of society.  Speaking openly about the history of slavery should not be an affront to anyone who shared a skin color with slavers.  The white people are evil mantra based on historical truth is easily dismissed as bad spin that misses the point entirely.  No one should buy into it.  
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  456. ***** Well that is your position but I am not one to cut off my nose to spite my face.  When you have an element that is part of a large system that is broken you do not throw away the whole thing to fix it.  You may be right that we have slipped off the rails and am inclined to agree.  That being said I am not ready to write off the entire thing until real effort is made to it back on track.  I see no advantage in chaos before every avenue to fix what we have is explored and we still have paths to do just that.
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  457. He is a special kind of stupid
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  458. So that is what adult whining like a spoiled toddler looks like.
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  459. +Corey Proctor Lol.
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  460. How is this not criminal?
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  461. The guy who won is a much easier target as moderates will not be able to vote for him.
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  462. She was only cool if they were limiting others rights and unfairly demonizing them. It is hard on her that they include her in the out group since she is into making the same excuse as they do for her own bigotry and otherwise understands them..
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  463. keithharekrishna Anyone who is resource rich can appear to be doing well when in fact if you look at the underlying statistics they are falling behind. It is easy to pretend it is your policies when in fact you are just skimming off the top of a resource that if better managed would be an even bigger boom. Trickle down serve the corporations can only work in a time of abundant plenty but any time there is a slow down they hurt even worse as they have no plan b and no reserves to draw on as building a strong well managed system is never a priority. Why would you imagine someone who says they hate government would do a good job at it.
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  464. That is some impressive restraint Sam ... buddy was begging to be shredded.
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  465. Declaring you won a non existent war is an act of supreme unearned self aggrandizement meant to make stupid people feel better.
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  466. if trump signs it he owns it.
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  467. cobinizer You are correct and that hat is the way the supreme court ruled, nailed it except it turns out the 14th did the job. In any case it is done.
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  468. It is hard not to mock it as it really was a joke, that you think they deserve anything else means you were not listening.
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  469. Go ahead and charge your girl friend for hitting your arm .. you do have that right.  No one excuses her actions.
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  470. shirehorse91 Whatever,  when you lob missiles into crowed areas you kill people you moron.   It is clear you do not have a clue and it would take a totally closed mind to buy the bullshit you are trying to sell.  As you accuse me of only going to conspiracy websites it is nothing but naked projection as one has to have his head up his ass to hold the views you do.
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  471. That we have decided slavery is immoral owes NOTHING to christanity and in fact your religion was one of the main institutional props used to justify it. For centuries Christianity was the religion of fudelism and the non land owners were all but slaves in that system too. Christianity and slavery do not have to clash at all as history clearly shows.
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  472. Doug Blakely Almost none that have published and they invariably those that have a contrary view have a innate bias as they work for fossil fuel companies.  The disagreement you cite is virtually non existent in the community of scientists that specializes in this subject.
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  473. Doug Blakely I would count the people who signed the document you cited as an equal consensus if they were not made up of people who are just voicing their agreement with oil company propaganda as opposed to an evaluation of the evidence.   It is a fact that all consensus on a given specific subject are not equal if the groups in question have varying levels of expertise.  Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one.  Informed opinions are a much rarer breed and should have more weight.
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  474. Triangle Man The lobbies in question care about their own interests alone which includes the continued promotion and exploitation of fossil fuel which is their business.  I am not in service to anything but the truth it is your point of view that is bowing down to the master of a wildly profitable lobby that stands to lose trillions if we change our ways. 
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  475. Triangle Man Know it or not you do support a powerful lobby if you are a climate change denier.  That no one is paying you only means you are mouthing their platitudes for free.  If you were getting paid at least I would understand why you were doing it.
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  476. Triangle Man Your support for a corporate machine that is as larger than most governments on the planet is amusing too.  Your anti system arguments are based on faith based nonsense that has never been validated by reality.   I am not necessary supporting carbon taxes even though you offer the straw man that I do.  By supporting the people who deny we even have an issue you are knowingly or unknowingly acting as a shill for the interests you say you object to and are not part of any solution. As you talk about our ingenuity you share the talking points of of the machine stifles it.  If we are not even allowed to acknowledge an issue so that greedy interests can continue to exploit us our ingenuity will continue to be suppressed.  I look at history and our advances are attached to strong well ordered societies. The most effective valued freedom but understood the state has a roll in enforcing it.  Our answers were never found in the chaos of anarchy or the greed and enrichment of a handful over the many.  That you imagine the same powers that are enslaving our society against our common good are the answer to our monumental issues is sad.  Your clearly libertarian views are not based on anything but wishful thinking and a faith based version of economics.  Your vision of how the system should be would never survive contact with reality in a way that would benefit anyone but a handful at the top.
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  477. Triangle Man Shrug, what you propose would not mitigate their power only grow it.  I am talking about groups that manipulate any system that is in place and if there was none would form their own.  Without a hand to control or limit those with power there would be nothing to curb their worst excess.  This is not about envy as you imply but the idea a society should not be contest of survival of the fittest especially when the contest is rigged from the start.  The system you propose would not be a meritocracy in any sense of the word. The idea of a classless society is an ideal that has been attempted and failed spectacularly in contact with reality.  Weather you support communism or libertarianism they both have the same basic flaws of being impossible to implement in a form that benefits the society that adopts them.  Anarchy is chaos anytime it has reared it head in human society. To imagine your vision of it is any different is bury your head in the sand and deny reality.   The government is force, tax is theft mantra is popular but simplistic and valueless as anything but a catch phrase that has a visceral appeal but is poorly thought out. Our society would be a shadow of itself with out them and you can point to no society in the history of man that has prospered with that as a guiding principle and certainly no modern one.  I know that the state "interfering" in the market helps, heck the market would not even exist in its current form with out the infrastructure and legal framework that allows it to exist.   Does that mean I do not think it has problems and it it is perfect, of course not.  I just do not think throwing the out the baby with the bathwater is a solution in favor of hope based nonsense that has clear and definable issues.  We are much better to try to work to change our existing system and curb its worst excess's than to throw the whole thing out and then throw ourselves on the mercy of the greedy and most powerful.
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  478. Doug Blakely By infrastructure I also mean physical ones that allow commerce, a system of education that provides skilled workers and is intended level the playing field and provide opportunity based on merit and ability not privilege.  About investment in technology and base infrastructure like power and water that is not initially interesting to the private market because of start up costs but still has great value to the society as a whole.  The market as it stands is wholly corrupt and unsustainable.  That is a function of the fact our system no longer works for the common good but instead bends it's knew too the highest bidder as a standard.  The idea all should be thrown away to be thrown to the mercy of the free market should be rejected for a great many very good reasons.  
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  479. Triangle Man You are an idealist, I am a realist.  I do not seek perfection I seek a system that is workable that serves us in a way that promotes freedom, ingenuity and equality of opportunity.  I know that does not sound much like our society today but that does not mean with the correct changes our system could morph to be more like what I am talking about.  I have heard of no workable solution attached to your views.  I seen no set of polices that would achieve it after a great deal of searching.  I am no slave to the system and the idea I can not see beyond it means you have no idea who I am or the path I have taken to come to my conclusions.  The farm analogy is pretty funny as few animals who live in on a farm do very well outside it on their own.  Out in the wild it is literally dog eat dog and that you imagine most wild animals are better off or lead more comfortable lives than those on a farm does not say much for you spin.  Almost all animals who live on a farm would not exist but for the farmer.  Now do I not imagine our society is a farm and my government is a farmer. We know what happens to a society when there is no common education.  We know what happens to a society that does not have taxes and can not enforces law.  We have examples of these societes and they are not remotely desirable or workable in the management of a large population like ours.  I have long rejected the taxes is theft mantra as thieves NEVER give you value or provide services for your money.  The fact is I look around this country and then compare it to tax free states like Somalia and it then make an easy choice.  Until someone explains how this tax free classless society you imagine will work I will continue to regard it a pie in the sky fiction.   I will instead work to ensure the taxes collected  are spent in the most productive ways to encourage growth and innovation.  To promote equality of opportunity and that a high standard of safe comfortable living is ensured.  This can be and is already being acheived in a great many societies throughout the world who have found a much better balance than we have.  I have sound models and examples to base my changes on, I can not imagine you an say the same.
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  480. Triangle Man What is ironic about your pig analogy is the pig is one of the few animals on a farm that can survive on it's own in the wild.  If you imagine just because it can do that it is better off you are missing some key facts.  The freedom to go hungry, the freedom to die early of preventable disease, the freedom to never grow as large or live as long are not freedoms the sane fight for.  There is no time in human history where so many were so comfortable, so many were so rich, so many were so well fed and few children died just after birth. The west meaning our societies have real problems but represent the pinnacle of comfort of lifestyle for all of human history for the vast majority within them. That you imagine your system would do a better job is not validated by anything other than your imagination.  We  know what happens when the type of stateless chaos you desire is enacted, we have real world examples. The way we run our society is a failure except in comparison to every other system or proposed system I have have ever seen or heard of.   Since you have an inside track that is not propaganda I am more than happy to have you lay it out as I do not think you have an actual workable system but would be interested to hear what you think it is. Be warned I have watched a great many clownish ideas be put forth and have rejected them for very good reasons that have nothing to do with my love of "slavery". There is nothing desirable about Somalia and that they had issues before does not mean any of them have been addressed in chaos.  If they are your buddies example of a society in transition then he will be correctly dismissed as sharing nonsense. I compared Africa to the west because it is the only place on the planet that has that has a semblance of the system you desire.  A society free of a social contract where the individual rules supreme and everyone looks out for themselves with no responsibility to anyone else.
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  481. Very telling that he does not want facking next door to him ... now he knows how everyone else feels.
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  482. Sasha Shepherd Your anecdotal assertions are simply not true.   The idea of patriarchy is well established and is not a demoization of men but instead speaks to a way off a society organizing itself.  In the past we most certainty were a patriarchy and have been moving away from it but the legacy of that truth still lingers.  Most men had no more say in how that society was run than woman and were pigeonholed into roles not of their choice because of societal standards thrust on them just like they were for woman. There is nothing wrong with talking about the enduring legacy of patriarchy even as we move away from it.  Again this concept is not a men against woman thing and anyone who thinks it is has it wrong.  They may believe it, because in many respects it is still true. Of course it is not the 1950's anymore but to say that being a man does not have distinct unspoken advantages in specific circumstances is silly.  Woman have their own advantages in our society too as dictated by social standards. It is very arguable our move toward banishing these kinds of standards has been unevenly applied but it is invalid to say they do not exist.  Some believe a) and b) but not many do in the context you imply they do.  You are a denying these ideas are remotely valid and in doing so you have taken an position that ignores historical and societal truths.  None of these issues are distinctly about males or females but instead are about societal expectations and rolls thrust upon us by society rather than individuals choosing them.  Anyone who plays the woe is me card is missing the point that we are not trapped by anything anymore and are free to break the chains that held our grandparents into an assigned place based on their sex.  That does not mean there is not continued pressure based on the way we did things that will not push back sometimes. You can hold both mentioned positions and not represent the simplistic caricature you draw.   There are radical fems that miss the point too but as you take the stance you do you become their polar opposite and become as misguided in your passion as they are.
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  483. ***** You do know that you have to actually counter what he says to have a point?   Your fact free vision of the world is entirely faith based and even your insults (statist) are strait from a well known bubble and it mark you as hopelessly deluded.
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  484. ***** You can get around those background checks .. the loop holes are the concern.
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  485. ***** No and there are none if you buy a weapon in certain ways too.  Does this mean you are in favor of universal background checks?
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  486. Larry Maggard More of the same idiotic talking points from the fact free bubble.  I hope someone pays you to say this stupid shit.
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  487. What sounds like gibberish is your spin pat,  so dumb.
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  488.  @Patrick-sg7cm  No one on earth does that for a good reason. The profit motive does not help with the delivery of the kind of services everyone needs regardless of the markets ability to pay. The idea this could work in the real world is the providence of ignorant children and disguising corpo fascists' who dream of creating their own fiefdoms. Government is us, it represents us and our power against an elite that does not. Ceding our power and our ability to craft a society to a bunch legal fictions that are only focused on making profit is a stupid unworkable idea that no one enacts for good reasons. Your simplistic ideology fails for the exact same reasons communism did, Neither had any controls to limit the damage of innate and destructive human greed Our version of government does this poorly as well, but doing something poorly or not at all should not be considered the same thing.
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  489. @Patrick  Not when trump was running things but it does so more than a bunch of CEO's ever will. They do not care if I live or die as long as they make profit. The idea we could cede our system to a bunch of unelected rich assholes who had the resources to set up shop is really stupid. One does not have a fucking choice which roads to use or what emt comes to the house when you have a heart attack. Miss a payment on your fire service, they show up next door and stand there to stop the other house from burning as yours is destroyed. All these services would be shitty under your system! No one does this for good reasons! In the end, you will have "government "anyway, just NO say in it. The idea you would have less coercion in a system of unlimited manoply is clearly head up your ass daft.
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  490. Hans Wienhold Fuck your defense of the right to be bigoted and treat one citizen as different than the other because of it.  Your defenses of intolerance is a bizarre spin that you have twisted to mean "freedom".  The baker example is a benign one but we know it never stops there all the way to a doctor being able to choose to treat you based on any set of arbitrary factors. The idea is to treat EVERYONE equal under the law and ensure a set of basic standards are set in the treatment of our fellow Americans.  To call this tyranny is plainly naked projection as that is what your vision of "freedom" to impose.  You and yours have lost this debate over and over. Your views are already picking out spot on the trash heap of history.  Your forgiveness means nothing as I did not ask for it and never ever would. As you  project your own intolerance on to me you defend views that are unabashedly intolerant. That you are trying to steal the very argument that is crushing your view as we speak does not mean you succeeded.  Defend intolerance at the risk of being labeled intolerant.  I do not have to turn my head and let you be an asshole to others based on bigotry to be on the correct side of this issue. Worship god how ever you like, that right ends at the tip of your finger and the tip of everyone elses nose.
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  491. John DOH That means you do not have any.  You can not claim to care about evidence yourself yet fail to produce it when asked if you want to be taken seriously.  That  you claim to have other data yet fail to show it means no one who values information over bluster will believe you, just so you know.
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  492. John DOH Radical does not represent the core it represents the fringe.  It is considered the fringe because the ideas are not popular. Your spin is akin to saying every christian  should get tarred with the most psychotic versions image,  The idea that the furthest edge of any movement represents the core is not remotely valid.  The actual root of feminism just like mrm is rights and both are representing seeking equal rights for their constituency.  You represent a fringe of general consensus, you think that woman should not only stop fighting for equal rights but you actually think they have too many rights and demonize the movement that works on their behalf.  This is where you radicals on both sides always get things wrong.  You do not have attack the other side to fight for equal rights under the law.  Feminists who attack men miss the point the same way you do in so much as nothing will ever get better without both men and women buying into the idea of equality for all. 
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  493. The Relief That would make you con .. he is at best a faux liberal but is actually a paid shill of ultra cons who want to muddy the debate with nonsense and pay to do it. Your favourite "liberal" is paid for by the Koch brothers, give your head a shake.
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  494. Agneta Tröjer Alright .. whatever makes you happy I suppose.  At least you were not making one of the insufferable "I am leaving the room posts" and I suspect that is what I characterized this as when I responded. 
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  495. Global Warming Skeptic Where did you provide this?  I do not even know what bullshit you assert and the fact is if you actually valued peer reviewed data you would not hold the position you do.   When I disagree with someone I do not choose to base my argument on a couple sets of sets of spun data  when the vast preponderance of it does not my spin.  You can not take this stand and pretend it is because you are principled as you ignore evidence in favor of spin you like.   It is up to you to invalidate the mountains of peer reviewed data and conclusions that back the idea of climate change being influenced by our actions. You have not and can not do so.  If  you can you are the very first. You are not making an intellectual argument, you are sharing poorly crafted oil company spin for the greedy and stupid.  
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  496. Global Warming Skeptic I am not going to bother looking.  Even with out reading it nothing you shared is definitive and that counters the consensus of all peer reviewed data on the subject.   "There is no peer-reviewed paper that provides evidence that climate change will be catastrophic in the future."  This is a bullshit as well as being outside the debate of arguing if climate change is man made.  It is your attempt to shift the argument away from the actual assertions.  There is a great deal evidence that validates concern and much of it is published and peer reviewed.  There are no end of studies that predict bad consequences associated with climate change.  They are "peer reviewed" too and because something is theoretical does not mean it's methodology or the data supporting it can not be tested and validated or that it's assertions have value. Being lectured on critical thought by a science denier is not very compelling.  I did not claim any specific events were as a result of climate change in this discussion but it is undeniable there are some.  If you want to discuses individual cases they are all up for debate.  Nothing you shared counters the data or studies that confirm my claims. 97% of all papers on climate change support the premise climate change is man made.  I have peer reviewed studies to back me up too.
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  497. Jononutoob There is a bounds of reason and raising enough that we no longer have to subsidize their existence will be good enough.  Index the rate on inflation every few years and that will make it viable in the long term.
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  498. Jononutoob An increase to the min wage "costs" the country nothing and actually saves how much supporting the poor costs.  As it stands we now shell out support to people who work full time and would save a great deal on welfare if their employers compensated them above the starvation line that has been drawn.   Without a min wage in place we know what happens and all we have to do is look at the average 3rd world country to see it.    If that is what you are arguing for you might be better served living there instead of trying to drag us backward.  An increased min wage is a policy that puts money back into the hands of workers and the economy and takes people off the welfare rolls, we already know what happens when it is done. 
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  499. Jononutoob Take away the controls that protect our workers and we take a massive step in their direction.  You assert business  can not "afford" a higher min wage when every metric and actual example you look at says otherwise.  This policy would SAVE the taxpayers money by seeing that those who  work full time jobs be above poverty by default.
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  500.  @jonathanleviton5787  He does not defend her blindly, she is attacked blindly by clowns who ignore gaffs as a standard from other leaders but pretend a couple misstatements on her account make her stupid. Bullshit establishment spin attacking her and you buy it.,
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  501. Yes anyone, but Bernie is FAR FAR better and trump has nothing to stop him.
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  502. She said she was an intern ... low pay always comes with that title.
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  503.  @walterhigo7658  She said it to explain it. Interns are lowly paid.
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  504.  @walterhigo7658  If you say so, what she said made sense in context. She added the explanation after because she realized the additional information was apt.
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  505. Except all the fundamentalists that push to control everyone lives are right wing conservatives. It takes pure faith to believe what they do and it is pretty clear they do not value facts as much as their guts.
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  506. I look at your assessment of what Sam is criticizing in Jimmy and it has NOTHING to do with his Jimmy's attacks on the elites. He criticizes him for attacking progressive allies over nonsense. Sam attacks Jimmy for pretending our only unowned leaders are sellouts becuase they do not adopt his pointless tactics. The critique is based around the fact that Jimmy primarily attacks allies of progressive policy empowering the stasis the elites crave. Jimmy is a tool that serves the status quo by erroneously attacking the only ones challenging it as being status quo themselves.
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  507. And he is the "medical expert" on the team!
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  508. How so? Your assertions are as bad and empty as Daves.
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  509. If anyone is guilty of "all you see is color" its you. you are projecting. He is not guilty because of his skin but because he chased down and confronted someone triggering a fight that led to the other persons death. None of this would have occurred if GZ had not taken the unsanctioned steps he did. As far as TM being "guilty" he has never even been charged so anything that alludes to the confession I have never seen is pure hearsay and not of great value compared to on the record facts.
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  510. I want you to be right!
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  511. Why would I back peddle from challenging what is clearly nonsense?
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  512.  @LogoLamont  We will see, for now she is doing the correct thing and more of them should be doing the same. The dems need to do something like this or they have no chance of winning any time soon.
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  513.  @LogoLamont  She has and has not, much like one would expect from a person in congress. The fact is she is not now and should be praised for it.
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  514.  @LogoLamont  She has stood on the correct side of many issues, understanding only so much can be done with a handful of leaders needs to be understood. I do not pretend to agree with her tactics all the time, but on policy she is consistently correct.
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  515.  @LogoLamont  Doing it right now, if you are paying attention. But she was on the correct side on build back better, and many of the issue I care about. What you dislike is not her policy positions or even tone, but her strategy. I think we probably have common cause on many of those issues but to say she just capitulates ignores the value she brings to the table in times like now. She is a good beach head ambassador for a new model of leader unowned by corporate handouts. The real issue that is actually crippling the democratic effectiveness is corruption and that is not one of her problems. She is not the roadblock even if she is less aggressive and confrontational with leadership than I would like. I will not be the perfect be the enemy of he good, we have to walk before we will have a chance to run. She represents a vanguard taking the first few steps, a person that will pave the way to future leaders with policy and tactics we would both appreciate..
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  516. Hey Joe when you agree with Karen like church ladies, you are not edgy, you are a mess.
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  517. lol ...
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  518. Ya because he would get his ass handed to him. Rubin lives in safe space of other assholes.
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  519.  @julianjanssen5499  Theae are clowns shorting new tech to prop up exciting investments. Even short delays mean a great deal of money to entrenched interests that make fantastic money by slowing down change. This a strategy not desinged to change or take advantage of new trends, It is to preserve existing investments on the way out a little longer.
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  520. She needs our support.
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  521. Or you should make a real point at the risk of looking like an out of touch suck up to monsters.
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  522. Freedom is effective only when it odes not interfere with the rights of others. But ideas like the family, morality, manners are not universal and change over time and are not things that have rights themselves. You should have a right to choose those for yourself but not for anyone else, as you step on their rights when you take that choice away. Randomly assigning your personal values the same rights as individuals is not and never will be remotely valid.
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  523.  @cockoffgewgle4993  Censoring shit out of your show is literally censorship, self censorship but censorship none the less. Basic civics? You do not know what you are talking about.
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  524. That is what is happening here ...
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  525.  @Philbert-s2c  Justice dems are not owned by the highest bidder. This means both the gop and establishment dems smear and lie about them to promote a broken status quo.
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  526.  @davidwatermeyer5421  What are you talking about? There was a time we died in our 40's because of bad teeth. Saying there was ever time we would have better handled a novel virus is betrayed by history. I have considered what placebo means, this is a mystery that has been extensively investigated if you care to look into the issue. I applaud that research even as I support our existing advances. I do not worship science, I respect it's achievements. I see it's value and even if it does not get everything right off the bat. It is self correcting in the long run and moves us toward ever greater understanding as any system investigating our world should. I wish you well too, rest assured I have spent a great deal of time pondering our existence. I see no conflict with the truth that we exist and science. I think there are answers to be found in the study of the natural world.
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  527.  @lionhounds Please list a "communist talking head" you know.
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  528. He is paid to sell that garbage and has no principles, question answered.
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  529. She represents moden cons, base stupid and proud of it.
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  530. He is all about totalitarianism, his polices domestically are similar to Putin's.
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  531.  @sjw4life546  I simply do not acknowledge it as a silver lining. The fact is getting excited about these job numbers is premature as states report record number of cases and with less money in the hands of working people than ever recovery after is not assured. The poorest people in the country are those who are the hardest hit, the most infected and the most exposed to everyone else ensuring a re-spread of the virus. Pretending anything is looking good right now in the face of record unemployment, mass demonstrations, trumps ridiculous rallies and a scary reemergence of the virus. We have states opening up even as they report a record number of cases. I see nothing to crow about let alone give credit to Trump for. He has been a total fail on this entire event.
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  532.  @nothanks2943  I do not see him fighting for anything but to tear down the few people who actually represent us. Call that a win if you want, I do not.
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  533.  @wesallgood150  Fiscal responsibility as implemented in our system is not for the people but to give tax cuts to the richest.
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  534.  @JackFromWyoming  Not on appearances sparky , based on who they choose to be and declare they are. They opt into being "fascists" and should own their choices. Those with no tolerance should not expect mine of them Jack you are defending bigots, you are not big minded or tolerant. You defend repressive hateful violent monsters like are not overtly cancerous, bad look family guy.
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  535. Anyone that fears their imaginary sky daddy is hungry to be randomly afraid.
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  536.  @maivaiva1412  They gravely undervalue nurses. They need hire more full time staff and pay them far better.
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  537.  @MrNH718  You re the one pretending "Russia gate" was all nonsense, perhaps you should check out the mirror before calling anyone a Troll.
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  538.  @MrNH718  Yes, it is pretty clear he asked for and sought help anywhere he thought he could find it. Flynn went to jail for his lying about dealings with the foreign powers and high level leadership including Trumps family met with Russian officials. None of this is up for debate. The investigators found huge issues with his connections with Russians, the congress then impeached Trump and arrested and convicted his cronies for lies to investigators. That the senate refused to do their duty and gave him a pass does not mean the entire issue is silly or moot. That trump was not convicted in the senate does not add up to the statement the entire Russia fiasco never occurred or was fake news. You ask why I know better? It is because I actually read the Muller report and followed the convictions of his co-conspirators. I did not take what it said second hand from known partisan liars or media with a spin to sell. I would see any leader arrested or booted from office for these exact actions and stand with the rule of law not hackery.
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  539.  @MrNH718  I simply know better than you. I read everything I could on this subject and it boils down to investigators did not agree with your spin at all. Dollars to donuts you have no idea what the investigators found based on your parroted nonsense from a specific media type. It is pretty clear Trumps team did collude with the Russians, some of them went to jail for lying about it. Ignore that chestnut at your leisure. The argument is he sought out Russian help to get a leg up in the election. This is a pretty well established fact based on the evidence. He specifically was looking for dirt on his rivals. Asking Russians for help in doing so is deeply illegal and he does not get a pass from the likes of me even as you do not seem to care. Hillary did the same kind of thing and I would see her charged as well. Pretending it is ok because anyone else did it is empty nonsense. But then I support the rule of law and it is pretty clear people like you and Trump only want to apply it sporadically. Education is not your thing sparky. I would not even say the Russia thing was Trump's worst crime. I blame the weak feckless democrat's for choosing this esotaric and easily dismissed case in a huge filed of issues they could have more easily convicted him with. That being said the whole thing was a dog and pony show anyway, they knew impeachment was not going to fly before they even passed it in the house. If the dems are bad on anything here it is the fact they gave false hope to many that this was going to result in change.
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  540.  @garyholloway1769  He is not right about Russia Gate, he is not alone on assange
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  541.  @garyholloway1769  Welcome to earth, that you think Jimmy broke anything is bizarre. He is a grifter who jumps onto trends, nothing more. the man does not have a principled bone in his body even if she says a handful of valid things, they are always buttressed by nonsense. Do tell what was false about "Russia gate" despite the fact here were better things to impeach trump on?
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  542. Strange argument, they would also die laughing at the idea of woman wearing pants or voting. The had slaves, took race superiority as a standard and thought woman incapable of higher learning. They are not exactly the model of the modern mind.
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  543. IT was not nearly the health crisis that this virus is. He is just throwing out aids because his base consistency hates gay people and linking a vaccine with them validates his NPC voters feelings to avoid on medicine.
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  544. Total nonsense, lets have the discussion where the real violence is. Lets talk about the overt bigots, race realists and throw backs on the right that openly advocate for violence. Your spin is weak and stupid and no one thinks being in a crowd of cons is safe. The most backwards violent places on earth are universally right wing.
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  545. Nonsense on the open borders thing, there is no measurable constituency on the left that wants open borders and no large voting block. That was noise and everyone who saw him say "you are mistaken, I do not support open borders" that had a working brain loved his answer. Saying otherwise is silly empty establishment spin from the clueless who incorrectly think anyone waves an open border flag.
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  546. The idea that he is against evil as he is drips evil is not compelling. The right stands with evil all the time, that is what happens when you base your ideas on greed, entitled self interest and unvarnished fear.
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  547. Uh huh .. she said nothing that everyone else has not already said. This bizarre fan rage is a mixture of clowns who have always been anti TYT trolls and deluded fan boys who can not see past the end of their nose. I like Tulsi but some of her fans are annoying.
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  548. Do you know what is disgusting bald mustache boy, children in cells too packed they need to hang in the hallways, children in cells period having committed a crime at the same severity as jay walking. I am sure the SS guards defended their actions too as patriotic and necessary too.
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  549. JAY MIDDY We agree that bombing is not left or right wing and the desire to do so is driven by "establishment' policy. There is a group of apparently immoral elite driven wholly by a desire to throw more money onto an already ridiculous pile who are at best influencing our leadership at the highest and lowest levels. Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious and that does not mean you can not have some kind of civic pride but that is going to be challenging for many when they see the policy makers are consistently selling out everyones values. My primary focus is good policy focused our communities and not enriching a handful at the top. I deeply care about policy and that is my focus when I select leadership. I am not distracted by the circus as I push forward in supporting good ideas and strong leaders focused on policy first. None of that precludes me calling a backward bigot with shitty spin and consistently even shittier policy behind it.
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  550.  @giorgioguerra5320  That has nothing to do with the Rubinizaton of Jimmy.
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  551. Prager is never going to debate an actual person capable of owning his dumb pasty ass. Dennis is not about ideas, he is all propaganda, all the time.
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  552. At some point GOP voters are going to see through the nonsense of blaming everything on the democrats in states they never had power. Then again they have fallen for it this long, why would hard core consistency change anything.
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  553. GIGGITYGOOBALLS Dave Rubin is a fucking shill and was paid to be convinced of bullshit that does not fly outside your bubble. Dude that is not checkmate, I would be shocked with spin this bad if you could even play checkers let alone chess.
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  554. And she sighs with relief.
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  555. Of course you can. There is no rule stopping it. You need to say things in specific ways but you most certainly can call out your opponents. Cenk is a trained lawyer and these very easily understood rules of decorum would be no hindrance for him to say what he wants to.
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  556. At this point Alex is fighting his war with a bb gun from a row boat while Joe is in a giant ship that will run Alex over without slowing down Classic tiny dog big dog fight.
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  557. Buddy needs to take a much closer look at who fought in the last 2 world wars .....
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  558. That trick did little for this last time and will do almost nothing for them this one. If Bernie makes it an issue based, record based campaign none of the establishment shills will touch him no matter their sex or race. Hillary only lost ground against Bernie and never really gained it, these clowns in the DNC are not good at winning and nearly blew a giant lead with Hillary then lost the general against a halfwit. They are in no shape to beat Bernie at all this round and have nothing to stop him.
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  559. ThE DuCk Your entire narrative is total nonsense and Bernie is popular in the internet and in real life according to every real world poll he is in. Bernie lost at the ballot box because he was going against a person who started with massive name recognition and cheated in the primary while the corporate media ignored him. Despite everything being against him he came within inches beating Hillary who the establishment had crowned queen before the primary even started. If you think her win was huge at 4 million votes you have no idea what you are talking about because this race was not even supposed to be remotely close. If any one of the factors had changed or the primary ran for another month there is zero chance she would have won. If the same match up happened today Bernie would crush her neo-liberal sellout incrementalist ass early. She had a massive head start, support of the entire establishment and the media and still barely won against a no name guy with bad hair who actually spoke to the voters and not just the donors. Hillary was a terrible candidate who spit on half her base and promised the status quo in a cycle when people were demanding change. She owns the loss and the establishment democrats need to stop talking about knowing how to win as they are overt losers who can barely win when shooting fish in a barrel only to lose in most general elections. How many houses of government do we have to lose before you are willing to try it our way. Buck up you can always go vote for the GOP when we take over.
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  560. Hers is the voice of covid denial and anti medical nonsense.
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  561. The DNC had significant control of the primaries. The front loading of the southern states was a strategy, the control of the media to minimize access to Bernie fully supported by the Hillary camp was an issue. They closed polling places in key Bernie areas, if it was not "rigged" or stolen the distinction amounts to no difference. Hillary literally controlled the DNC and they did what she said, how can we not call that rigged?
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  562. Islam suffers from the fact it is practiced in many totalitarian theocratic places, when religion loses the power to write law it becomes more moderate. This is why in the west fundamentalism of all times is less powerful and popular.
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  563. It is because the arguments they push are so unpopular and indefensible that when it appears their fans find someone who sounds clever but says things they like they clamp on ignoring their arguments are no better than any of the others who try to make the same points. These people are just happy to find someone who agree's with them who sounds clever, it is why they worship his "intelligence" so.
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  564. There is a secular argument against adult incest, it is culturally rejected almost universally even outside your Judaeo Christian standard. The fact is virtually every society, secular or otherwise all have the same standard. A taboo is a social standard applied for many reasons. It is very clear one does not need a specific tyrannical god's poorly communicated proclamation to do so.
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  565. The alphas hiding and crying like alphas do.
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  566. Rule of thumb, naver take medical advice from morons that tell you to ignore doctors.
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  567.  Nigel Henry  I don't see it building momentum. In fact I could see it doing the opposite or being a brief flash in the pan at a time public opinion matters less as we just had the elections. Nancy will be able to paint herself as reasonable in the main stream media (and appeal to those who wanted Biden in) while painting the upstart progressives who threatened to put in a GOP speaker as actual radicals. Attacking AOC as a fake progressive for not pushing this as a focus is dishonest rhetoric meant to undermine the real gains we have made while giving us NOTHING tangible. Please do not assume I am not thinking about this or am following my gut like you seem to be. I get the idea of wanting to strike a blow, I do not see this as the correct hill to die on. I am not willing to sacrifice my best assets as useless because they do not push an agenda in the way a reactionary know nothing like Jimmy wants them to.
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  568.  Nigel Henry  I see you like Jimmy's empty demonizing of allies, classy. If it was up to you we would hack on everyone that actually fights for us, you would be spitting on MLK as useless for not fighting the way you wanted him to. I encourage you to look at the fact this is a matter of style over substance. You undermine our actions and demonize allies to achieve nothing. You are a defacto servant of stasis with thinking as deep as a puddle, just like jimmy.
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  569. No more do than any other corperation. If it is bad when baseball does it why are they cool with Raytheon? .
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  570. Drunken frat boy bootlicker you mean.
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  571. We just get "American exceptionalism" yelled into our face until we stop paying attention,
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  572. She has gone full Tina Fey, even crazier than she was before. Wow.
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  573. I do not think they have been waving the collusion flag, the strange thing is they largely agree on this issue and Tracy is demanding they apologize for talking with someone who disagree'd with him.
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  574.  Z'Q  This is not contra ... this was an investigation triggered by a republican chosen justice official based on what appears to be good reasons. The ones who primarily benefit from the nothing to see here narrative are the same ones who tried to cover up the contra deal.
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  575. While appearing to have no capacity to understand irony at all.
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  576. You spelled "Democratic" wrong ... it is spelled with an R ... Every single leader that takes pac or corporate money is suspect. That means almost all the democrats and every single member of the GOP. No one found a secret plan you halfwit ... we looked at the polices the GOP donors bought and they enacted like errand boys and we came to the conclusion they were sellouts. Clinton was an establishment shill too, he served the same masters as the GOP with a smiley face on it. Obama was arguably worse because he promised us real change and delivered only pocket change as enacted Bush''s tax/foreign policy along with their health care plan.
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  577.  @joemoore4813  I clearly do! The guy is a fringe dwelling freak show that says stupid things on video for money.
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  578.  @joemoore4813  You are incorrect. Numerous studies overtly rejected it. You pick and choose the medicine you want based on the media you like. Taking medicine meant for other animals especially in the concentration meant for horses is always problematic and is not tested on humans at all. That a drug has existed for a long time does not mean taking outside the care of a doctor is anything but Darwin award brain dead. You have no idea what you are talking about and when you call it gene theory in a pejorative way you look clueless. That this spin has made you scared of it as and taking a drug meant to deworm horses does not makes you look pretty crazy. This vaccine tech was started in 2012 and was in full testing against other spike virus's in 2014. The drug was the ideal candidate to attack this particular virus with very few changes. It was well understood existing technology that was quickly adapted to covid which was in the same family as the original targets. The vaccine may have been quickly developed but the technology behind it was not a new idea. That is the reason they could produce it so fast. Pretending it is somehow dangerous when compared to getting the novel virus, or taking unprescribed horse pills and malaria drugs is poorly informed. Pfizer has been was officially approved now, it is no longer is under emergency approval. You can let your always flimsy experimental talking point go. I will stick with the vast majority of doctors, experts and anyone with a lick of common sense who thinks taking horse deworming drugs for a virus is loopy.
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  579.  @joemoore4813  When you promote anti vaxers and clowns selling snake oil it is a very safe bet you are unvaccinated or at least get your medical advice from the same source. You were just saying the only thing doctors use to treat the virus is the vaccine when that is not what they use at all. It seems like you are not the font of knowledge on this that you pretend you are. Your unclaimed vaccination status is irrelevant. What freedoms do you think I will lose? Your spin is pure cult speak and it makes my assumptions about you apt and reasonable. If you are an anti-vaxer or not is a distinction that does not amount to a difference as you spit the nonsense you do. Take care yourself. Or said in another way you may really appreciate, whinny.
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  580.  @joemoore4813  Doctors as a vast majority do not disagree with the vaccine. There is no real debate as to the value of vaccines outside anti vax circles. Vaccines are literally the only way to address this novel virus without contracting it. Contracting the virus has the major downside of becoming a vector and potentially filling hospitals which furthers the pandemic. The MRNA vaccines is no longer emergency use, this week Pfizer is has been fully approved. So that talking point is dead in the water. No need to "work on them" anymore, we have a fully tested version in market. There is no literally alternative to getting vaccinated for a novel virus besides getting it. Nothing else gives you antibodies to it. You are blindly following liars that are giving you really bad spin. The CDC has told everyone not to use Ivermectin for Covid. If you can find a doctor to prescribe it take it then, if you can't do not. The side effects are irrelevant if the drug has not be prescribed. Your characterisation of the people hospitalized is both incorrect and inhuman. Especially with the new variant which is more aggressive. Even if older people are more vulnerable that does not mean we should spread the virus willy nilly. We all know older people we would rather not die. If you don't then you know people that do.
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  581.  @areaunderthecurve9918  But if most of the aspirin sold in your market went to horses and livestock it would be very fair to do so. In the US pre covid the vast majority of this drug was packaged for horses and livestock. I am not sure why you are trying to deny what it is commonly used for. What is the point of pretending it is not used to deworm horses? Does it make you feel better? What is your actual objection?
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  582.  @memyselfandi2506  When the drug is primarily sold as live stock dewormer in the the US, how is calling it that a fail? Especially to Facebook trained immunologists who want to use it to treat a virus?
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  583.  @memyselfandi2506 it was news, a public service that you missed the point of badly. He was shamelessly promoted it as a covid treatment during a time there was desperation for a fix. He said it was for covid, that he took it himself. Is that worse or better than pointing out the drug is primarily used for livestock in the US? One claim is true, one is not. You are angry at the true one. The nonsense he shared had serious criticism comming, he was wrong promoting it as he did. Ignoring that fact is strange. Your crying about people correctly calling him out for doing so is bizzare. He was not helping cure a giant parasite outbreak.
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  584.  @memyselfandi2506  It Is not propiganda to say that a drug is primarily used to treat livestock in the US when that is the litteral truth. It is to pretend an anti paristic helps against a virus. Odd selective outrage you have.
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  585. Smart? Glen, what the F?
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  586.  @idimo7976 Total nonsense. Please show me the bank or the country for that matter randomly offering housing to new migrants as some kind of incentive. New immigrants consistently have very limited access to welfare and social services and pretending that is why they come is just common anti migrant partisan framing and purposely misrepresents them. Lumping liberalism and neo liberalism together is patently ignorant as they are not the remotely the same thing. The modern conservatives are neo liberal too and fail because they serve donors and the MIC first before anything else. That is where all our economic problems spring from, they have NOTHING to do immigrants or the social safety net all neo liberals have sought to erode to serve the elites that own them The idea that live and let live is some kind of fail is really gross and marks you as a repressive monster. The societies that share your views on fornication and homosexuality are universally backward and are the source of the foreign troglodytes you dislike but agree with on social policy. That we stop repressive assholes from picking how other adults have sex has nothing to do with our problems. Becoming more like the backward societies you point at has zero merit and does nothing but make authoritarians like you feel better as they put a boot on others neck. What you advocate for culturally is literally degenerate by definition. Know you are always going to be putting lip stick on an ancient and ever more hideous pig with your freedom hating spin. When you agree with ISIS on anything you are going the wrong way. No one in my camp advocates for rapists and lumping immigrants and those who fight for individual freedom with them is pretty sick and more idiotic than you appear to be from your diction. You would be much more at home in Saudi Arabia than anywhere in the west.
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  587. Hey Matt, asking Twitter to take down revenge porn is not a problem. It is not censorship
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  588. Because we have rule of law in our country.
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  589. Jimmy is stain who Sam has called out for a long long time. I notice you do not talk about his critiques which are all entirly valid.
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  590.  @callumbush1  If you say so. No one takes you seriously, even people who know you. You can imagine how valuable your empty opinion is to me.
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  591. @Defund The Tone Police More silly cut off your nose to spite your face nonsense, you are not woke and do not own the title of progressive. Shitting on your allies over tiny difference is not the sign of a balanced mind that understands the issues and what it will take to win. Missing your nose does it make you look clever or informed, just a fyi.
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  592. @Defund The Tone Police Your skin tone has nothing to do with this subject. Adopting the jimmy spin attacking the only unowned progressive's as sold out is at best silly, at worst a trollish effort to empower a broken status quo. You claiming to be progressive while attacking the only progressives' in power over nonsense is lame and marks you as either dishonest or entirely duped out. Attacking them on the M4A vote is spin you like but is poorly thought out, attacking them on covid relief is brain dead as they are among the only ones correct on the issue.
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  593. @Defund The Tone Police Sad really, for someone so identity focused you sure trade in some empty shit.
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  594. @Defund The Tone Police When did I say Pelosi is progressive? She is figurehead of the problem. She also is the best of a bad bad set of options. She is the leader the unowned will have to work with to get things done. In most cases it makes her part of the oppositon. In this one case of cutting 2k checks Palosi is on the right side of the issue. Strange to shitting on congress on this issue at all, take a win where you can get it.
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  595. @Defund The Tone Police Your empty assement is shallow and has no substance. WTF does that even mean?
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  596. @Defund The Tone Police Elitist? trust fund? Carreirst? You are entirly clueless as you attempt to lable my support for any of that garbage I wholly oppose. I have seen Jimmy on and off since his first show. He can funny but but has morphed into counter productive grifter that primarly attacks the actual left and empowers the establishment by tearing actual oppostion down. He serves the establishment by promoting statis just like your empty bullshit spin does.
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  597. Buddy was constantly interrupting Sam and asking a new question before he finished answered anything. All buddy did is pull two words out of every response Sam managed to get out and gish gallop a complaint. Not sure what debate you just watched.
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  598.  @Weaselonetoo  The list is legion and that you pretend there are no examples makes you look like you have had your head up your ass. She is a establishment darling, meaning deeply corrupt. You sound like clueless Trump supporter pretending Trump is not crooked, you look just as clever as they do as you try. Like this show I recognize her corruption, but point out it is endemic to our system and that no republican is better. That does not mean she is uncorrupt, playing ostrich on this subject is complicacy to her corporate fealty.
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  599.  @gmh471  She is innately corrupt as all establishment politicians are. Taking unlimited corporate money that the supreme court said was speech may not be illegal but is inalienably corrupt. The fact that most senators, congress people get far richer after they get elected speaks to a personal corruption that people like you bizarrely turn a blind eye too. There is a good reason they make more on the stock market than average investors. The Clinton foundation is a good example of disguised corruption. A foundation that takes huge gobs of corporate and billionaire cash to fund pet projects of the Clintons. There is no way to convince me that same interests that give the Clintons millions on cash do not at least gain their ear. News flash, our system is innately corrupt and unless you decry the corporate and billionaire cash buying our leaders you are innately complicit with deep corruption that owns our system. That you do not see any corruption in the Clintons makes you look clueless, kinda like like a Trump voter denying he is a criminal.
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  600.  @Handofcrom13  We should be fighting to support the retirement that the right and the corporate sellouts are trying to steal from you. Instead of empowering it's theft by blaming the retired now. We should always be fighting for more, not dragging everyone backwards to where you are. Fighting for a world where only the robbers win over your feelings makes you exactly like them, except poor.
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  601. Those covered in his blood were immune as I they explained it ...
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  602. That is why we need to elect leaders that are not beholden to them. who do not derive any funds from them starving them of influence. America agree's we should have single payer and it is a winning policy position for any politician as long as they are not paid to ignore it
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  603.  @brentshowers741  It really is that stark and important.
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  604. He loves evil, look at the rest of what he stands for.
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  605. Destroyed? You have no idea how debates should work or that this clown made no valid arguments while dancing around Sams reasonable pushback. Attacking the squad in this empty stupid way only serves the entablement, you are basicly blowing the status quo with this stupid. Jimmy, is that you?
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  606.  @garretrolfeisinnocent8673  You are a joke, what said is plainly more stupid. You are just a dishonest sock puppet, you know it.
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  607.  @nemesiszer0708  They are not on "our side" but they are mortal and many are old. Pretending the rich (outside a handful of profiteers) are on side to make you wear masks as some kind of sneaky plot is brain dead.
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  608.  @nemesiszer0708  Some are but that does not preclude the fact most are not. The truth is closing down the status quo is generally bad news for the powers that be. Those who control the system do not benefit when it is broken because it undermines the productivity of the whole. They gain no power by telling people to wear masks or buy stuff from Amazon. There is no secret cabal making up to the pandemic to further some poorly explained or justified agenda.
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  609. ​ @nemesiszer0708  I count those you list as the profiteers who are cashing in on the crisis. They are in a uniquely lucrative position but do not have the power to imagine up a pandemic and keep it going in the media. They are taking advantage of a crisis like profiteers and raiders always do, but they are not driving the bus. Please understand I am not defending or lauding their actions. I would see a group like amazon broken up between a distribution and sales company for others and a company that sells things itself. They have already been accessed of stealing product lines from their vendors using internal competitor sales data as a guide. They are no kind of angels, but they not powerful enough to fake a world wide pandemic for 3/4's of a year.
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  610. Anyone who boils down a complex idea into a simplistic phrase equating it with something the clearly hold disdain for makes clear what their position is. I have spoke with enough people that would parrot the same bumper sticker slogan you just did to have a pretty good idea what you stand for, Your assumption that I just do not understand your spin is not based on anything but wishful thinking and no actual understanding of why "liberals" stand against your particular view of what is best.
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  611. No, he was saying it was not "just" horse medicine which is true but an irrelevant claim in context.
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  612. Tuckers spin is propaganda personified ... he lives in a field of straw men and ignoring that fact does not make it go away and invalidates your faux concern.
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  613. You look stupid saying this halfwit shit ... just so you know.
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  614. @B Clit Your ignorance is showing.
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  615. Three words .... Paid to lose.
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  616. It is hard stupid buying into this bigoted spin. We know what happens to gay kids in junior public without the context of them being accepted. The homophobic world that both Joe and I grew up in were testament, there is no upside in promoting that bigotry again because it was familier. There is no decent argument supporting this legislation, this is all hate and ignorance all the time.
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  617. News max is the brain damaged brother of fox news.
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  618.  @Jonslying  As you lie and exaggerate coupled with spitting nonsense your admonishment for me to stop rings very very empty.
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  619.  @Jonslying  The world of mandatory vaccination has existed for 60 years and if you were a nurse you would know that. We have had vaccine mandates in schools and universities for half a century. The ignorance and hate is not coming from the vaccinated but from the anti vax anti medicine radicals. Anti-vaxers were once fringe yahoo's that mostly harmed themselves safe in the protection of the vaccinated. Now they are propping up the pandemic. I want to be divided from people who are much more likely to be sick. I do not want their ignorance to change my life or infect someone I care about. Fighting a pandemic is a team sport and we all need to come together to do so. Those who choose not get the shot out of pants shitting fear and overt asserted ignorance should should sit on the sidelines. They need to deal with the ramifications of their choice to be medical Mennonites on their own. You get no sympathy from me, when you wrestle down your fear and ignorance join us. It will be like it never happened and your life can go back to normal
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  620. That is why we need to replace those owned by corporations and elect people who stand with Americans on this issue and not insurance companies that fund them. 70% of Americans want it, at some point the status quo break by weight of numbers. 51% of republicans like the plan .. all we have to do is keep fighting.
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  621. It is not true, we do not always defend him. Plenty of us are angry at his choices. This spin is projection and just because you march lock step with your leaders (no matter how bad their policy) you expect us to do the same. We do not, we are not. People who voted democrat have no issue attacking Obama for capitulating to the repub`s too often. But we also remember the axe congress held above our heads to force the sequester in the first place.
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  622. The fact you people are simplistic and do not understand the world in anything more than catch phrases makes you look clueless on any subject that does not fit on a bumper sticker.
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  623. Manchin has to go, he is a republican and needs to be booted by the DNC so he can run as one.
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  624. Nonsense, their policy is in direct contradiction to the establishment and your sjw bullshit is empty pettifogging in service to corruption.
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  625. To pour it on their friends who are languishing in steaming baths of it ...
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  626. Yes he can, it is just a matter of how you couch what you say to fit into the rules. He is a trained lawyer and this should be no issue with him not to mention much of the time he speaks he will not be in congress proper and not subject to it's rules of decorum.
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  627. Not a chance .. She gets most of her money from large donors. The pac thing was a smoke screen The reason you get called shill is because almost everyone who opposes him has been one.
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  628. the problem is cons want to crush any speech they do not like and do not believe in free speech at all. The only speech you back is your own and you need to stop pretending the right ever valued it.
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  629. To Soh Your silly assertion about what I know is empty as is the rest of your nonsense. You could not be more completely wrong and if you are going to hate on something at least have a clue what you are talking about or you look silly. Time for you to read a book from outside your particular fact free bubble
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  630. Jimmy is shitting on the only people who actually oppose Trump. Not sure how you imagine that helps.
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  631. Burn the report that exonerates your guy, makes sense.
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  632. He dropped it on Cenks request to resend all endorsements. Catch up.
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  633. He has problems but I do feel he is doing some good things and he is stepping into new areas that need to be addressed. As long as we have capitalism we are going to have these guys and would rather we have more musk's and less of the clowns now running GM.
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  634.  @bobbun9630  I am not sure there is many options to roll it back without another governor coming in. These are the kind of actions that will empower dems in the state going forward.
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  635. You are allergic to everything like anemic loser you are.
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  636. Imagine being stupid enough to think this argument is useable. Pretending natural equals good even when nature is killing us is base idiotic.
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  637. The poor bigots are getting all kinds grief, boo hoo. Buck up snowflakes, no safe space for you!
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  638. The studio, his clothing, the car he came in, etc, etc, none of it is natural. Not being natural does not mean iti s bad, nature is regularly really horrible and we mitigate it by being "unnatural". He has sub moron level spin.
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  639.  @kodekorp2064  I see people with your spin as the divisive ones as you attack ostensible allies over nonsense. You are the ones on the side of stasis and are tearing down the work done not me. You make assertions of false claims and expect that to be taken for granted. Back in the AIU days I saw endless claims of lies and misrepresentation always framed by right wing smear merchants that had no connection to the truth. At some point you get tired of running them down and snuffing out concern raised by the claims. The charges of lies and poor sources always amounted to a mountain out of a mole hill. JD is causing a commotion to get views and does not give a flying F about policy, the movement or getting anything done. He appeals to a latent anger generated by our broken system to lash out at those who are working for positive change while do nothing to forward us. What Jimmy says does not have to be valid to resonate. That he picked up old establishment and right wing talking points to do so speaks to the veracity and value of his complaints. I do not always agree with everything they do but as a progressive TYT are inarguably allies. They push for workable change and take no donor money. They support humanitarian crisis/condemn genocides and give correct news sources as a standard. They are reaching out and talking to an entire set of witnesses/ guests of all different walks of life and professions representing a wider range of the social spectrum outside the standard TYT audience. The money complaint is stupid. Just yesterday I was told by a Dore fan he was better because he did not ask for money and they were corrupt because they did. Let that float around your brain a bit and perhaps you can see the irony in it. Again you make baseless claims about spin that has been adjudicated a long time ago. I know Cenk may have said some off color things in the past but he has stood up and taken that on the chin. You may or may not know that. The claims of them covering things up is poorly founded and the idea they do not take responsibility for mistakes even less so. Your questions are nothing more than talking points made by people who are in stone not allies of the progressive movement. All those old questions have answers if you honestly look. So this attempt to pretend you are just raising concerns marks you as clueless or just another hater. Either way you should do more digging outside TYT hate piles to get greater context on the concerns you have. You seem to have been contaminated by your chosen bubble as something in the content appeals to you personally.
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  640.  @TIMI3K  You are cheering overt losers and corporate sellouts who have seen the democratic party lose all power over the last 3 cycles. The idea what they stand for is popular is betrayed by the fact THEY KEEP LOSING OVER AND OVER. Pretending the "centrists" know how to win is entirely counter factual based on their record. The ONLY time the dems have won big is when the president pretended to be progressive and promised sweeping change before being shown to centrist sellout himself, in truth we should have known better if we were looking at who bought him in the election we put him in power. All centrists should shut up about being winners when in fact they are proven failures, If the media was remotely honest they would be calling them out as such. Their ideas are unpopular and they suppress the democratic vote by exciting no one. Stop pretending they are remotely strong in any way.
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  641.  @aliing3697  Biden is a loser sellout who tells his voters to not vote for him. That you cheer for him is bizarre and indefensible given you have real options that do not represent the insurance companies and wall street before real working Americans.
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  642. A long time ago
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  643. Permanent toll roads sound awful!
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  644. Joe will not be a contender by ballot time .. Look at someone else like Harris to get the Nod instead. The DNC's choice is going to be deeply problematic but I do not expect Biden to be in the mix in the end.
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  645. Pretending slavery had any utility for the slave is an empty writing of history in favor of the promotion of a institution that was ALL BAD for the slaves.
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  646. Holy punching down batman, so mean and tough attacking the least powerful people in our society. He needs to be in prison ..
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  647. More proof they do not know what a socialist is
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  648. One would hope ... he is arguably more dangerous than trump.
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  649. And should be after .... his drawing a weapon is the crime.
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  650. That this ass hat can point to any set of votes as problematic does not mean he has any answer to replacing those leaders with people who would vote as he chooses. His spin is entirely destructive and offers no solutions, no options while remaining silent on the failures of the entablement that actually drives our problems.
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  651.  @dankyden  Do not need 20 years, the fact is we are fast approaching the point where they no longer have an actual support. "Progressive" policy is now widely popular and "moderate" policy gets a yawn or a shrug. The democratic centrists are fuled by apathy, name recognition and dishonest takes on their opponents on the left that are ever more toothless. Over the next few cycles we can bend or break those not willing to stand up and fight for us. There will be a tipping point reached where it will not be anyone's advantage to be "centrist" and it will have the stink it always should have to the voters. There is a lot of work to do but if we put our backs to it I can not see how they can stop us. I also see it as the only path to power because the 3rd party no matter how you cut it will take longer even if it is a valid long term effort.
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  652.  @Vanderearden  They specifically raised awareness and made many of their polices (the establishment still hates) the majority support position among the base. With a limited number of votes I am not sure what else you expect a group like this to do besides fight for the policies they seek and expand their numbers. They have done both
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  653.  @dankyden  I agree that change is imperative but see the call to ignore the people fighting within the party as arguing for stasis/the status quo and nothing else. If a third party is ever to be viable it will require the effort of people like AOC and the squad to popularize the policy that could get a new party elected before that same party will ever see the light of day. The argument against a movement to take over the party is useless that empowers the establishment and slows or stops any progress we are making while doing nothing to fix anything.
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  654.  @heidibenner1577  I do not expect them to change. I expect them to lose just like they are losing to the GOP in a toe to toe battle. If it were not for the pandemic there is zero chance Biden would have won. The corporate democrats are BAD at winning elections and that is their achilles heel. Their success in the primaries to date is based on name recognition and money and those qualities are not what they once were. We are going to reach a tipping point when these "radicals" who represent the vast majority of the democratic voters far better than the "moderates" will start winning wholesale. Acceptance is a power multiplier on an exponential scale, we are not going backwards and will only get stronger. The progressive policy is popular, centrist far less so this is not up for debate. The harder centrists dig in against us more they turn away. They are running out of reasonable sounding lies. The third party can not succeed until the policies that give them any chance to win are widely accepted by the populace as a duh. That is exactly what is occurring and even if you do not see these feckless weakling establishment types are beatable the action of building up support for ideas like M4A and even the green new deal are necessary for any successful 3rd party run.
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  655.  @Vanderearden  This is nonsense, we know the progressive caucus is a group in name only with only a core who actually belong. There are right wing caucus members in it. There are changes afoot to make the group more cohesive but that they are not now is not reflection of the movement away from corporately funded democrats we all should support. The tea party was a corporately funded AstroTurf movement that was cynically harvested from a correctly dissatisfied republican base. It changed the GOP because the establishment republicans they replaced were the same kind of weaklings that the corporate democrats are. Unpopular leaders with unpopular ideas. They will work with Nancy when they can and push back as they have been to make them pariahs of the media and an inspiration to believe things can change to those who care to look. The expectation this should have been quick is betrayed by the fact the tea party movement was not borne in a single cycle either. The process is on going and I see the movement growing stronger, many of it's polices which were not on the map 4 years ago enjoy majority support of all voters. I see no reason that upstarts on the left can not win and the only thing left to do is fight for it by correctly reframing the debate.
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  656.  @Vanderearden  Why do you think they can not coalesce in a block? They most certainly have. That block just got significantly bigger as the number of corporate dems decreased. That block is represented by Justice democrats who all take no corporate money and rely on small donor money to get elected so they can pursue a platform focused on those who fund them. These polices are core issues for them. The fight against the corporate democrats is harder than the establishment GOP as they are not as apparently terrible as many of their republican counterparts. Their rhetoric is better and they run as being better than the GOP by attempting to be just left of them. This suits their donors needs and until their mask is ripped off by a challenge they seem hard to unseat. The fact the change is slightly slower is primarily driven by main stream media control of the narrative, that is rapidly eroding and that process will only speed. The tea party was a movement before Obama but was spurred to action by the hunger for populist sentiment on the right which was not being met by establishment republicans. See any parallel there? I am not sure what you expect the first handful of unowned leaders to do. They consistently have opposed leadership on many key issues and have been on the correct side of most issues. Any failures you may point to does not dismiss what they represent or the successes they have planted the seed for. They can do what they can do, your cynicism that they do not support the policy they purport to has not been validated yet. There has been no option to more than has been done. Your concern seems like a style over substance issue and I would ask you to look at the good and not just what you have been told is bad.
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  657.  @Vanderearden  The voting record of the justice democrats is pretty good baring a couple votes where it would not have made a difference anyway and they achieved some other goal. There is nothing they could have done to stop Nancy from winning and that is just a numbers game. Your demand for protest votes does not amount to them betraying what they were elected to do within the means they have at their disposal currently. You miss the point that this progressive movement is brand new by pollical standards. The push to elect non owned leadership who buck the corporate status quo is growing at all levels of government. The issues in California are an example of how establishment democrats fail us by chasing republican policy despite the wishes of their base. The answer is not to run away from that to but to attack it at its core by taking their seats away. That is a not an overnight process despite your wishes. Nothing would change if the same number of green party members elected except they would have no committee presence and almost no power at all instead of being at the edge of demanding policy the voters want.
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  658.  @Vanderearden  i think we can reasonably assume it is more than 4 and even more than 8 or 10. That being siad they have never had more pull than they do now. The establishment now needs them or some republicans to pass anything for the first time. This will increase their voice and profile leading to more wins. At some point we will hit a threshold where the establishment will bend or break. As they sign on or continue to lose seats in contested states dropping in power each time. There is nothing they can do to stop Nancy's election. This is a cold hard fact and is a simple matter of numbers. If they had the power to be king makers and still put her in that would be a differnt matter but that is not the situation. Based.on the layout of congress she has already been elected unless something dramatic happens to change the mind of the corperate dems who will put her in. Nothing about the establishment is actually progressive and the people you point at are universally corporately owned. They may say they are progressive like Nancy does but that does not mean they are. Look to how a candidate is funded and the policy they support not how they self identify.
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  659.  @Vanderearden  Mitch runs the senate or not. I do not want him to meaning what Joe says means nothing. This is not complex. Schumer is shit but he is way better than turtle man. This is not up for debate. You are dreaming in technicolor if you think the progressive has party changing power yet. This is an.empty claim to promote.useless stasis. It is not connected to reality. They just broke 10 seats. Your courage spin is style over substance nonsense that would change nothing.
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  660.  @Vanderearden  No, I do not think this batch of new elected progressives will be able to override the will of establishment that controls the house and senate. But they can oppose them from the left and a push policy backed by voters instead of just donors. With the margins in the house closer their votes count more and the fact there are more of them gives them some power. But the change will come going forward. The people in place are fighting for what people want so new unowned leaders can win primaries and replace the paper cut outs now in power. It is a process, the same process that would is necessary if power is ever to be taken from the corrupt by a third party or from within. In the mean time the people fighting for change have an inside track and exposure to committees and groups that set policy before it is even ever voted on. No matter what happens we need to have a plan to replace the corporate elements inside our government. You seem to think starting fresh is the only path and I do not agree because I do not see the establishment democrats as strong. I see then for what they are. Even if we wish to move on to a post democrat world we should not leave them with knives at our back. They need to be met head on because no matter how you slice it they are taking our voters while spitting on them at the same time. That is a fight we should all be up for and is entirely winnable.
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  661. @D2 E2 On key issues they have literally changed the converstaion. They have moved the dialog in public even if the leadership is way behind the curve. Thst does not mean nothing is achieved. On the whole I see them pushing for.policy I want and see this as the fastest path forward. I am not sure what you expect the new justice dems to do. They are nit seated yet. The worst justice democrat has a better voting record than anyone else you can point at. I do not agree with your do nothing spin. What Jimmy offers is empty condemnation while offering no plan that changes anything. The spin he spits, his empty critism promotes stasis and is a tacit bonus for the establishment.
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  662. @D2 E2 I would.argue the same. I see electing non owned leaders commited to our ideals is best quickest path. That they have not yet supplanted the entrenched cash rich establishment is not the failure you pretend it is. I see the establishment as weak and bad at everything they do including their propaganda. They are beatable and are the single largest obsticale in our path. I see no reason not to tear them up from inside. Policies that the establishment unversally rejects are now popular among a large majority. Their days are numbered, I see no reason to leave them with knives at our backs to steal votes otherwise ours.
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  663. Durrrrrr ... he is not running as a GOP congressmen. The only ones fucking farm animals are cons.
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  664.  @meoff7602  Yes I am qualified to know that, this garbage happens all the time. It does not mean that any crimes were committed.
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  665. Never heard of the guy either. There is zero chance they know who he is.
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  666.  @riuqpijfkdls  She is is not going to be a big winner. She is done if she does not break correct on this.
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  667. I am sure too, by default he suppirts them by standing beside them openly
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  668. They have an uphill climb to form actual opposition as their views are not popular and voters do not like them. They are in deep trouble as there tested messages can be seen for they are and the cynical electorate has no interest in business as usual in either party as trumps election shows.
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  669. Record everything
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  670. Ever notice that support for socialism varies with the proportional economic output of the region, States through out the south who are the poorest and least educated in our union consistently fight against it and their own interests by voting in right wing leaders. Fact free assertions like yours have the same kind of value like the statement countries with leaders who have mustaches are killers, the correlation has no bearing on your extrapolation.
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  671. Pure libertarianism an ideology that can not survive contact with reality intact, much like the communism it has no mechanism to account for human greed and will fail.
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  672. The assertion he did not campain enough for hillary is bullshit. Everything these dishonest shills say needs to be rejected out of hand. These lies are transparently weak.
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  673. Brain dead nonsense. This is no scandal here. This is the GOP's version of Russia gate.
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  674. Jimmy has gone full sack of human waste, when you pick mitch over anyone you out yourself as a shit stain. Jimmy fans, give you head a shake!
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  675. Everyone goes to work the next day after a vaccine heart attack, they are softer than normal ones. ;)
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  676. Pernhzps she should work for an employer whose goal it is to win not just collect checks.
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  677. Nonsense, you can certainly call an asshole who is an overt sack of shit a fat fuck and be progressive. This is stupid spin that ignores what progressive even means.
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  678. The more you talk the more people see what you stand for and then run away. Keep up the good work!
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  679.  @scotthullinger4684  I never said Joe ha a winning personality, the left calls him sleepy Joe. Joe did not win on personality, he won because Trump sucked worse. Trump mishandled the pandemic while in power and lost the election because of it! Ron is no better, this is proven by the stuff he passes in Florida which is dark side identity bullshit that improves no ones life. This is even as he opposes all the popular ideas that would. Is Ron is a good or great candidate? I see nothing recommending him. His polices are about tax cuts for donors, wiping out education and placating identity blinded snowflakes. None of that should excite a normal person with a working brain. He speaks in fox news talking points and has no life improving policy at all. Ron is regressive on most key issues . He consistently holds views that appeal to a fringe base, but turns off everyone else. All this may excite you and your buddies, but is not the winning hand you think it is on a national scale. Even so. presidentially Ron would be a more dangerous candidate against Biden than Trump. This is because he is not a loose cannon who can not stop lying about how he lost an election. In the end it is probable Ron's larping of Trump will not beat Trump toe to toe in a primary. If the the orange man baby decides to run, he will beat Ron's weak copy of him. The fact is Ron may not even win his Governorship. Losing would end his chances of a near term presidential run before they start
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  680. Jimmy is not an honest actor and has no interest in dialogue. He is grifting and has no intention of defending it.
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  681. This is so true!
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  682.  @cp3190  The tech stocks do not have massive increases in value. They are down and because of that the primary holders are not subject to this tax. See how that works? The tax is on increases not just holdings to qualify means they are up substantially. That the stock goes up and down is irrelevant to my argument and nothing I said is countered by that fact. I do not care what percentage he holds and proposal is to tax him on his gains at a given day even if it means he must sell of some his stock to others. At the end of a given period he would be required to give back some of his gains. You say the company has not materially increased in value but in fact it has. Jeff's share of that increase was 70 billion dollars. Pretending he is not 70 billion richer does not make the facts go away. The primary sale of large stock transactions are not associated to "people" per se but are generally sold investment groups and fellow mega citizens who have billions to invest. The entire stock market is frequented by a surprisingly small number of Americans. Many of this investment crowd have been virtually untouched by this pandemic. They have plenty of money to invest in safe bets like amazon when large blocks open up on the market.
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  683. She need to blame her shitty policy and the fact she changed positions multiple times going full mask off by the end, I always had a bad feeling about her. My hunch was validated by things she said not by the media that reported it.
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  684. Charles Lewis Agree, the fight does not end there. Following that we all need to hold those we elect to a new higher standard unless we want control to swing back to the GOP after.
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  685. Anti vax grifting still has it's claws in him ...
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  686. Ignoring that it is fillling our hospitals with the unvaccinated is brain dead. This version of the virus is less lethal but still dangerous because IT IS NOT A COLD!
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  687.  @soyborne.bornmadeandundone1342  His spin actually empowers those he opposes because he is basically a caricature of what people hate about the pushy vegans. Guilting people like me is not a path to converting us to anything.
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  688. Why would Bernie run as an independent when the dem primary is his for the taking and no one can touch him? Someone has been selling you bad info.
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  689. The right has rested in identity politics for generations. They are entirely locked and drive by identity.
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  690. I see she did nothing wrong, she once told a story about how she had some native ancestry according to family stories, it turned out to be true. In no way was sharing that truth a mistake. Now lets talk about a president using the name Pocahontas as a pejorative and calling natives Indians in 2018. If this was a screw up by Warren how does captain bone spurs get a pass?
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  691. Ribb Rotgut Telling a family story is not fraud or cultural appropriation as if anyone on the right ever gave a flying fuck about either issue when it comes to their leadership. You viscous clowns playing virtue signaling games is laughable. You douches love frauds .. the orange man cheeto you vote for proves it.
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  692. The claim about the democrats love of socialsm is flat they continue to suck off the rich like the gop as they spit in their own bases faces. The longer this farce goes on the more threadbare the empty claim appears. The only people who still think the dems are socialist are right wing fringe dwellers lost in a bubble.
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  693. Short reply, why just them.
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  694. They ran for congress to change their country ... why should they run instead of fight for what they want? This is as stupid and backward as it gets, did the cons leave on mass when Obama ran or did they just cry their eyes out for 8 years. Go back to Germany trump, maybe you can make it "great" again.
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  695. While at the same time demanding we vote for them to make american great again, because when THEY talk negatively about the country that is patriotic.
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  696. just snap any pick of this inbred elitist shill, you will see his cousin/mamma ancestry clearly.
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  697. Donald is owned by the deep state. They love what he does as he gives cover to their corruption and actually empowers it.
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  698. No, it is like saying everyone has access to water and oxygen.
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  699.  @peterjv8748  Not saying there are scientific concerns about GMO's. I am saying there are marketplace control and bio diversity concerns which are entirely based in fact. Labeling a GMO product to give the market place a choice of the product they buy has no downside unless you want to cover up what is in our food.
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  700. No reason to attack those who are actually fighting it.
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  701.  @grmpEqweer  that is what we need more.of everywhere
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  702.  @spindoctor358  It worked for so long they bought most leaders on both sides to promoting an ultra militant policy that has hurt america over and over.
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  703. Trump was running the country when Fauchi did what he was told. Blaming anyone but Trump for trumps failures during covid is mindlessly weak!
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  704. Not living in a casket, just laying around in it.
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  705. MRM groups miss the point really badly. There are real issues to be addressed at the root of their concerns. But it is grievance culture for a group of disaffected fringe dwellers and a little else. This manifests not as a standard to improve the lives of anyone but an attempt to seek a path to back to a bygone broken status quo that never served anyone.
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  706. She seems pretty stupid to me. I would bet most the the Q people are simple in the same way.
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  707.  @FortitudineVincimus  They are not intelligent, at least not in this sphere.
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  708. he has.
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  709. None of those are bad assumptions and they are made because of the fact a vast majority of people in your camp believe in one or all of the things you just listed as learned by first hand experience. It is not a talking point that conservatives consistently hold the positions you mention and I am not sure why you do not know that. To think that you might stand for the same things is based on a very rational assessment of what the majority of your group regularly claims to believe.
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  710. Yet here you are .. again!
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  711. Lol, let them pour their money down the drain. A lib that is taken in by Prager's nonsense was at best deeply uninformed in the first place.
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  712. their ideas are not popular. they have to lie to even have a chance at winning. at this point it is their only move to maintain course.
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  713.  @TheEvolver311  Going bad here, but that is what happens when you treat a dangerously contagious virus like it is the common flu. The point is we are doing far more than we normally would, we can expect that to reflect in the flu numbers.
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  714.  Steve22  You are a dishonest sack of shit without anything meaningful to say.
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  715. Why is anyone bringing up masks again? They are entirely optional and no issue at all. Masks are not remotely "poisonous", nurses and doctors have been wearing them for decades with no ill effects. If you do not want to wear one don't, to be afraid of wearing a mask is really really stupid.
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  716.  @ricberry1104  Not really, they are tax collection which is not necessarily socialist at all. Ask any kingdom.
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  717. And look foolish when you make a point of telling the owner to keep it back.
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  718. People are gay or that are not gay. No amount of exposure to gay people would ever make me change my mind and be gay. This has been shown to be true in families with gay parents and the children of such families grow up gay at the same rate as strait parents.You need to educate yourself on what being gay is as it is not a sexual obsession as you label it but a natural proclivity to one sex or another. Freedoms limits should not be set by one groups values, if they are then why not mine?
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  719. Back to back, day after day.
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  720. This has been discussed at length. He has rejected all endorsements because of the smear campaign thrown at him by the right and by establishment liars in service to corruption. They have no credibility while Cenk has earned his, the only ones parroting concern are liars and shills for the status quo.
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  721. Defending the worst grifter is hard mask off!
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  722. The gop is devoid of policy outside an agenda to promote donor giveaways burried under distracting regressive wedge issues
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  723. Aged very poorly indeed.
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  724. I would argue they are doing no harm, what is harming us is attacking the only progressive's in congress as failures because they did not have any power to pass anything. The attacks are a direct service to stasis, how does anything get better if they are not there and are replaced with overt corporatists that do not even pretend to support policy we value?
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  725.  @cul8terworld  Control? To what end, what is the big sneaky upside? Fill us in? Tell us why psycos screaming at people just doing their job makes them some kind of champion?
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  726. I do not feel sorry for anyone one that was a vocal antivaxxer and ends up in the hospital. Their self declared idiocy is the reason so many of their fellow medicine haters overflow our critical care beds.
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  727. They are always crying and playing the refs, soft.
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  728. Correlation does not equal causation .. blaming the vaccine for a heart attack is silly. Blaming the vaccine for your hand shaking is an equally dubious claim. These people are not adults on this subject, if these are the clowns you get your medical information from it should be no surprise you are among the many creating anti vax death bed video's as your memorial. Perhaps get info from doctors instead of pod cast losers.
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  729.  @jesushatesyoutoo  Pretending the neo liberals are liberals is the problem and the reason we have Trump period! The weak spin it is those who call out leaders literally cheating are the problem is myopic. Hillary spat in the face of half her base by calling them names and overtly lying about their motives, she lost as she inspired no one and did not even campaign in the rust belt. Your tone deaf voter shaming is idoicy. I voted for the cancer that was Hillary as I saw her as the lessor of the evils but it is long past time we stop being forced to pick an evil at all.
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  730. Could not happen to a more deserving clown ... I like when reality educates these dupes. Play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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  731. Spitting nonsense about Bernie by an executive is a fast path to being ratioed.
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  732. While the sequester originated in the White House, Republicans are the ones who made sure it included only spending cuts and no revenue increases. I do not defend it or much of Obama's conservative enconmic spin. I do understand that he is not much different from his rivals. That being said those differences do count and I live in a swing state where my vote could be the difference electing the GOP again or not. They may be the same in many ways but on supreme court appointments they are not.
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  733. You show your personal quality by using the name Pocahontas as a pejorative .. your are pretty stupid as it is akin to calling her any other racial slur. Have at it you sack of shit as it makes you look like garbage. Oh and you do not know what socialist means.
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  734.  @guillaumelagueyte1019  Their are MSNBC hostile, they tacitly approved of Brand attacking MSNBC as a problematic because they feel that message needs to get out to left leaning viewers. I am inclined to agree with Sam and the show here, MSNBC has real issues but making them equivalent to fox's is not valid, they both fail. Not the same way.
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  735. This is what the GOP has been relegated to, consistently ignoring and participating in overt corruption while pretending to oppose it.
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  736. Or a will to have any chance at all ...
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  737.  @averymiller2255  Critical thinking is not your thing, admonishing it in others is like a 4 year old telling you that you are too short.
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  738. Obama care? You mean the GOP's health care plan enacted with ZERO support from the GOP. Stopping trumps agenda, like giving him more than he asks for on military spending? Removing provisions stopping him from building his wall with stolen military money from other projects? You mean like holding him accountable on single concern not attached to finances so she can entirely ignore his other crimes where he literally takes money from a foreign power and then supports their genocide? She is a paid loser who is weak and keeps the democrats weak by acting in the donors interest while spitting on her entire base. Just fucking stop singing the monsters praises. You empower overt corruption with your ignorant dishonest spin.
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  739. This experience should be the death sentence for all libertarian economic thought.
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  740. The minimum wage would be $16.50 an hour $33,000 a year if it had kept up with the growth of productivity since 1968. To put the effect of this a different way, 40 percent of Americans now make less than the 1968 minimum wage, had the minimum wage kept pace with productivity gains. We are grossly underpaid for out level of productivity and to claim their is no issue is to spit propaganda designed by those who have absorbed all of the gains over the last 30 years.
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  741.  @selfishcapitalist3523  progressive taxation was put in place when the rich did not have the power to buy our leaders like the do today. Over the last 40 years they have transferred their tax burden onto us. In the hight of our boom times the richest page 60% of all taxes now it is down to 40% that speaks to the fact they have moved it onto us. They have gamed the system and you spit their propaganda which is deeply discredited outside you chosen bubble.
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  742.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Ridiculous! They should pay far more as they have all the money. Quit pretending to be a temporarily embarrassed billionare. You are simping for thieves that have proved they would step over your body for a dollar. Greedy vampires that rob us every day as they socialize their losses and privatize profits.
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  743.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Of course it does when the game the system to keep wages down, bend the tax system to benifit them and down load private losses onto the public. They have been doing so for the last 40 years and have destroyed the.middle.class as the result. Just a note. Hungary is a world leader on nothing. No one counts eastern Europe as a model to copy.
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  744.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Nonense, no one but budding facists think they are on the right track.
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  745.  @selfishcapitalist3523  That is the case for right wingers who call people facist and communist with no idea what the terms mean. I call these people facist because they lean facist, but that is why you like them. Your nonsense about anti christian bigotry and poltical correctness is hilarous projection. "Devout" christians are the orignatators of the idea and own the term. Cancel culture, enforced conformity and political correctness have historcally been tools of religious control.
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  746. He was not vicious enough to take it home, but that is not what he ever promised to be
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  747. When they invented it and still dream about canceling anyone they dislike.
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  748. Only if, then there is the potential of your passing it to someone you like or do not know, the chance of permanent organ damage or long term chronic conditions even if you recover. This is against the vaccine that has a tiny fraction of the compared to risks of getting the virus. There two ways to gain antibodies to the virus, their respective risks are not remotely similar.
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  749.  Now What  We blame the DNC because they are cheating assholes, Bernie is too nice to do so.
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  750. Move to Russia or some other third world hell hole that shares your backward belief structure.
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  751.  Captain J  Will trust my lying eyes and ears over a group of right leaning npc's. Layoff the empty superiority schtick, no one you know considers you informed.
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  752.  Captain J  hilarous. Your identity based spin is naked nonsense.
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  753. Pffff .. fuck off.
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  754. Rubin has no intention of doing any of that! He is a shill that is paid to say stupid things and shit on one side while ignoring the other.
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  755. There are places where they do not collect taxes, you would not want to live there.
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  756. It turned out to be pretty prophetic ...
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  757.  @iberns  Stop concern trolling about woman as every mainstream candidate spits in their face. You are a dishonest asshole and repulsive to the core.
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  758. This is what 100 of thousands of dollars in education buys, anyone that pretends private education institutions produce better results is beaten down by the example of this halfwit talking in public. He has no idea that he is entirely clueless
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  759.  @roderikvromans4686  Hello to you as well, it warms my heart you do not buy into his nonsense. I see bashing Rubin is worthwhile because letting him talk unopposed gives him licence to pretend he is part of the debate or represents the left when he most certainly does not. Rubin is a simple attack machine against the left so I do not see letting him act as one with out pushing back has any value. He is paid to smear the left and give voice to old conservative tropes under the guise of "centrism" and debate when in fact there is no intention of promoting either. This is not about selling ideas to reasonable conservatives (whatever those are these days). It is about bashing a shill, dishonest spin and far right ideologues who have no interest in actual debate or even acceptable policy at all. The number of people who love corporate sell outs is not large. The people still voting for them do not back them because they are informed and like their ideas. They are voting for these losers out of reflex and based on name recognition and dishonest framing of their opponents. We win by having good popular policy, honestly highlighting the real issues and fighting for them. We can not let shills like Rubin and the cronies he works for or even the DNC analog on the other side to continue to invalidly frame the debate unopposed.
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  760. ​ @roderikvromans4686 I see the right wing voters as unreasonable because they are being blindly lead by people who push unreasonable ideas. The right holds support of these voters with wedge issues and overt identity politics while pushing economic polices that only favor the rich that currently owns them. They blame all the problems we face on the poor and on immigrants or those with no power as a trope to cover for the results and this plays on the mentality of their voters as well. The same people who hate liberals consistently like progressive policies as long as they are not framed as progressive. Rubin and his ilk are paid to frame the left by the attributes conservatives hate furthering a media manufactured divide between the groups when in fact they for the most part actually agree on key policy the establishment of both parties hate. We agree the path from the wilderness we are in will be to elect new un-corrupted progressive socially democratic candidates. I simply do not see letting Rubin frame out leaders as know nothing ideologues who do not understand economics or as haters of "freedom" because they are pushing for universal health care as having any value. Rubin represents a view point which an antithesis to what you stated you want to see for us. He represents the crony capitalists who are infecting both of our societies and have wholly captured ours for the time being. Bashing him has zero downside in my mind.
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  761.  @roderikvromans4686  I have spent a great deal of time talking to pretty extreme right wingers and found once you get past the stupid straw men of the kind Rubin and his ilk sell there is common ground to be found. People are angry and sadly many do not know why. In seeking justification many people find the right that gives voice to their anger by blaming the powerless as ploy to distract them from the real source and that is innate corruption and the selling out of our leaders. They are angry about a valid sense their options are retreating and not expanding like they have in the past. Framing the debate to put the real assholes as the root of the problem consistently works even on the most right wing ideologue. The source of their misinformation is not better typified than the shills from Prager U and the dishonest mouth pieces like Rubin they find useful. I see calling them out is an innate part of the solution.
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  762.  @roderikvromans4686  Cheers man, in a sea of nonsense it is conversations like this that remind me it is worth our time to do so.
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  763. You knew this was coming. The fact is it ignores that the spikes are all occurring in red states and districts. Assholes like pirate boy here ignore that the places spiking were poster children for Trumps policies and he owns this second wave or continuance of the first.
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  764. Robe Spier No you are just old school bigots spitting old failed tropes like they ever had merit.
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  765. They have tried to do it by state and got the burning Cuyahoga river in 1969 as a result. This idea of state regulation has been tried and has utterly failed. The abject failure of state to regulate pollution is a major reason the EPA was created in the first place. Couple that with the fact all of your individual legal recourse of damage done is through laws passed through the EPA. The only people who would benefit from the dissolution of the EPA are polluters.
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  766. Avraham Hirsch  He is so libertarian he would not attend a friends anniversary because they are gay ... I would tell any friend with that spin to fuck off as there are plenty of people in the world that I do not need to hang with religious throwbacks or assholes who think my most important relationship was "immoral" ..
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  767. If you think sam is "far left" you are the joke.
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  768. As usual you have no clue what you believe. We defend him because he did the right thing and exposed our governments crimes they wanted to cover up.
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  769. No one cares what Green says, she is a total loon and her impeachment is going literally no where as it is based on literally nothing.
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  770. Conservatives simply do not believe in science ..
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  771. Rape is not a property crime unless you consider a person property. I am not property, my wife is not property, no human should be property.
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  772. They are selling out of a horse deworming drug .. these people hate the vaccine but will take anything their media tells them to including bleach.
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  773.  @RogerStarks  As I stated before getting the vaccine ensures that it is harder to get covid and it is even less deadly and crippling if you do. There is a reason that the vast majority of the people hospitalized and dying are not vaccinated. Israel's numbers are 1/10 what they were in January. That stat is much more relevant than your percentage which is meant to misinform by making it seem like the vaccine is not working. No one informed is using the drug in question and it has been determined by blind trials to be useless. It is not helpful and is being sold by morons and liars online not doctors. A deworming drug DOES NOTHING to a virus. Why would you believe deworming medicine for horses helps and the vaccine does not? Get your head checked man.
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  774.  @RogerStarks  The FDA does not consider that using ivermectin as useful in treating covid. Animal versions of the drug are not the same in dosage and are highly concentrated so using them is ALWAYS problematic even for worms. The only data that validates using a fucking deworming drug against a virus is CHERRY PICKED! Your projection and asserted ignorance is off the scale. Pretending I am the one who is clueless because I do not consume the same nonsense self serving media you do daily is silly. This is as you advocate for medicine that is literally detached from the issue. It makes you a poster child for your cognitive dissonance you accuse me of. Please understand I am aware of everything you are on this subject. Seems like I may know more because you add in total nonsense and some how rationalize that in. So yes I am aware that the vaccine takes a while to take after your shot. They tell you this as you get it, that it takes 2 weeks to activate. What is your point? What about this well known factoid makes you think the vaccine is a fail? The virial load talking point is entirely irrelevant. The fact is it is harder to contract the virus if inncolatied and you do not tend to get it as bad if you do. None of that changes with your empty spin about viral loads which is discussed by doctors for an actual reason. In the fully vaxed countries you are discussing the infection rate is 1/10 of what it was in January. This wrecks your talking points. It makes sense that in a country where everyone has the shot most people who get the virus have had the shot, this is not a fail of the inoculation. The raw numbers are what matter and they are LOWER! I have seen all the data and am not sure why you think it validates your spin or why you think I did not know it. Your conclusion it is not working is born of the spin you are consuming and is not attached to the data which clearly shows it is. You are starting with a conclusion and working backwards not me. You assert I am not informed tell me stuff I know like it is a drop the mike moment and then they say crazy things. You have to understand that is not compelling. No one you know ever came to you for your critical thinking skills. You are a mess and should not be lecturing anyone that does not want a deworming drug packaged for horses to attack a virus. Informed, pfffft! Broaden your news sources, you stuck in a bubble that has you saying things with assurance that are not attached to reality. Let go of this secular vaccine death cult you joined, it gives you nothing back but empty assurance just like every empty self serving faith.
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  775. The idea you can trap someone in a marriage marks you as patently weak and scared. If someone wants to leave your dumb azz they do not need to give you a reason! The court should not be in the business of deciding if a divorce should be granted, AND IT IS NOT. Never get married, or better yet stay away from opposite sex all together. You will be doing everyone involved a big favor. It should not stop you from owning yourself as a self declared loser in public ....
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  776. I could not agree more and Jimmy seems to take it too far each time ...
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  777. Irony and hypocracy, basic concepts that are incomprehensible to his ilk.
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  778. This needs to be said over and over! There zero logic to their spin.
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  779. You think south park is less edgy?
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  780. It is not he does not trust her at all, it is she has given him reason not to. You have not explained this fact free claim Anna did anything wrong or why Tulsi needed a safe space. She is a progressive but has issues that she needs to address.
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  781. They are pro birth, they proved over and over they do not value life.
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  782. I do not see that, what brand do you imagine he backs? It this kind of mindless absolutism that Jimmy appeals to which apparently is not just a feature of the right.
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  783.  @Upsideround Between 2016 and 2021 only 6 reversals were done representing .03% of all surgeries done. Your numbers are pulled right out of your ass. Your empty 'concern' over adults changing their mind is a thin cover for your ignorant repressive need to attack what you do not understand. Not one of these people are dictating ANYTHING on you, they are doing what they see as best for them. Hate to break it to you, how you feel about it should not matter. This is NOT about childern (who are not getting gender reassignment surgery anyway), it is about adults making choices you want to crush over your snowflake feelings.
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  784. Got tired of watching the right do so for weeks?
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  785. Apply for the job chum, good first step.
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  786. The news max proiganda machine thinks we fought the Nazi's twice, hard to take his lessons from history seriously.
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  787. Blue Jay What i am saying is everything you paint democrats as doing to the black community has also been supported by the GOP. On top of that the GOP has openly tried to restrict black people from voting and has openly embraced the overt racists who are still among us. They both work for the same people. Economically they are the same animal because they are owned by the same donors. But that does not mean they are identical because the democrats do not try to get the racist vote and do not attract candidates who promote that. I have listed many polices that are still and only pushed by the GOP that marginalize the community today. I understand the history too and do not see the analog from the democrats who are sellout failures but not racist at all. The bad economic policies they went along with because they were paid to (just like the GOP was) hurt everyone including disproportionately effecting the black communities. But I struggle to see how that makes them any worse than the GOP who agree's with all the economic cancer and then backs overtly racist anti democratic policy on top of that. I challenge you to list one thing the dems have done to the black community that GOP is not complicit in. I simply can not see how they have done more damage and I would like you to explain that idea and flesh it out since you seem so certain against I what I see as the facts at hand.
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  788. Blue Jay I agree with you on the concept they have acted as a wolf in sheep's clothing since Clinton at the very least. That being said I do not see them as overtly attacking the black community even if they have empowered donor driven economic policy which hurts it. I see them as having the greatest potential to be reformed. Replacing democrats who take billionaire dollars with people who work for the voters would go a long way in mitigating this problem. The republicans just passed a historically draconian tax plan, are talking about setting up private intelligence and military services, handed over the internet to the ISP's, rolled back environmental protections, removed efficiency standards on autos, unilaterally attacked an ally of Russia, etc, etc. Do not doubt what the republicans can do on their own and ask the question would even a sellout like Clinton be able to do these same things without a democratic revolt..
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  789. The point is we should certainly be learning about these events.  That they are a dark mark on us, that they were felt necessary at the time is all part of what we should be hearing.   These subjects certainly need to be in our history books, because we are a nation that values freedom we have to know where we came from if we are to ever learn from our history and move past the worst parts of it.
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  790. dffykvn I totally agree,  I think the main issue is that many of these actions were associated with their movements.  When you talk about looking at history in terms of slavery or poor treatment of minorities it was conservatives who were a the front of the line as they were the ones in charge.  It is one of the many reasons they look at the past with such fondness while ignoring our errors.
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  791. How are any of his polices of tax cuts and pandering to donors going to help?
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  792. The irony of Hannity calling anyone's agenda radical as he consistently supports the worst crack pots in the game
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  793. To ignore those events to say we should not be teaching them is to ignore a significant element of who we are.   There is an old saying those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it's mistakes and that is exactly what this clown is looking for.
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  794. tx pap Hey may be a genius in some respects but that does not make him right when he says the bullshit he does here.  He is a neurosurgeon that does not make him an expert at politics or history or anything else.  He has demonstrated through his words and perspective that he is not only lacking in these areas but defiant. When he comes out saying the stupid shit he does I do not have to respect him and I most certainly will not.  He is a clown and I judge him on nothing but what he says in public. That he is successful in one field does not mean he has automaticly has crediblity  anywhere else,  he burns that bridge with the ridiculous things he says.  Just because you like his spin does not mean it is good. 
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  795. tx pap Nothing he shared about what is taught is incorrect or should be lost to history. We learn what we did in the past to ensure it never happens again.  The idea we can look at our not just glories but mistakes without being anti american is root of his failed spin. The idea that if we learn the darker aspects of history it is an attack on America is false and idiocy personified.    His weak ass poorly thought out garbage adds nothing to the debate.  The idea we should be whitewashing history to suit a political agenda is the kind of thinking that makes all totalitarians proud.  This is 1984 speak, and it must be objected to most strenuously.  Anyone who shares it deserved public derision and will get it as long as we who see this regressive nonsense as cancer are free to say what we think. 
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  796. tx pap Almost any statement he makes is refutable,  facts are not what you clowns have. 
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  797. tx pap "A section on slavery and how evil we are evil" is nonsense on it's face.  No one sane thinks we are evil because we once had slavery but since have repealed it.  Slavery is now universally recognized as evil and talking about how we once supported it but now do not has no downside as it is all the truth.  What about that fact do you think should be not talked about?  I take it you agree with this buffoons framing?
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  798. tx pap In the US it was a race thing .. we did tests with a few other races too including natives but the only group that caught on was blacks.  We literally codified them as 1/2 a person in law.  Carson fails because he frames it as some kind of failure if anyone talks about the history. He pretends that knowing about this issue is the same as attacking America.  Nothing could be further from the truth,  slavery is part of history and there is nothing wrong with talking about it and it does not say anything bad about the America of today.  It does explain a few things though.
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  799. William Vasquez You guys need to stop pretending the federal reserve was a progressive idea.
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  800. William Vasquez No it is corporatist plutocrat idea and its protection is innately tied to conservatives and conservative policy and those who promote it.  There is a fringe like you who hates it but virtually no establishment leaders on your side of the fence do anything but support it.  The fact is to pretend liberals support this banking cartel creation is nonsense personified.
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  801. Oddible Fam It means no protection for anyone including customers. That primarily benefits unscrupulous business. The idea that the market regulates itself is a pipe dream your entire spin is based on.  We know what your model looks like in practice and with no cops on the beat it is not the consumer who wins.    Pretending what I call monopoly and the existence of central government is the same thing is foolish. I do not fear monopolies but I know they do not provide the best service when their motivation is profit as they free to gouge their customers to make more. Profit driven monopolies stifle innovation to maintain a successful stasis and healthy government changes depending on demands of its constituency. What you promise is not stability it is an unworkable pipe dream made by people who have view of how economics work that is akin to religious faith, meaning not connected with reality. There are better ways of organizing systems but this nonsense attack of the idea of government as the problem while not addressing the root issues of unrestrained greed and poor focus is a fail.
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  802. There has never been a racist christian right Huck?  right? Just take a helmet and sit at the moron table ok ...
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  803. +utterlyviolet They will believe their lying eyes when millions see their rates go up to give the GOP donors more bundles of cash to throw on the pile. They are about to see what trumps definition of "swamp draining" means.
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  804. w00dyblack I see cons blocking people all the time,  to imply it is a liberal phenomena when it is clear people with decanting opinions are posting on these forums all the time is a dishonest and invalid characterization.
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  805. w00dyblack They are as common as rain.  I actually have a harder time finding one with comments than not.  I see you people here all the time and you are more than free to comment as you are right now.  That one person was sick of dealing with your nonsense does not reflect on the group you attempt to smear as it is in stone we are more willing to discuss these issues than anyone on your side of the fence is. 
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  806. w00dyblack They vote with you and support your ignorant bullshit.  The are cons and like it or not you are in the same boat with them.   As long as you are going to paint with a brush as broad as you try to then expect the same done to you.  I am still waiting for those links ...
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  807. Likki Curry He did not provide them .. go look.  He attempted to validate his fact free spin because a single person who was sick of his idiocy blocked him.  He has still not backed up his original point and I said when he provided some evidence of his original assertion I would proved multiple links supporting mine.   He then went on to say he would not count mine valid if it was right wing theists blocking discussion even though they are same camp.  He can not step honestly away from them especially as he tries to paint all liberals with one brush.  This is just more dishonest posturing from a group of small minded butt hurt losers who offer nothing of value to the debate.  This characterization includes you.
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  808. w00dyblack I don't speak for devourerofbababies but I understand why he blocked you,  you are annoying and do not listen to anything said to you.    I am familiar with a sane version of conservatism but many the more moderate versions like the ones in Canada and the UK have the many kind of failed polices and problems as the crazy version from the US.   Not all con's are as loony as our local version is currently where characterizing them as "bible bashing misogynists" is sound and valid.   If you are incorrectly lumped into that group please understand it is a very easy mistake for me to make as live in the US. What you appear to be ignorant about is your invalid characterization of feminism.  Just like the MRM has fringe assholes who do not bring anything valid to the debate feminsim has clowns who miss the point too.   The radical "man hating" fringe feminist do not represent the vast majority of people who identify with the group.   You tar everyone who disagrees with the same brush as the fringe and it is not valid.  
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  809. w00dyblack Feminist frequency does not validate you.  I would get blocked on that site for saying what I think to.  This does not represent liberals but a fringe group who can not countenance debate.
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  810. Kadrick Ninness Well then .. that is as hard core on the blocking as you get I guess.
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  811. Kadrick Ninness That is an individual and I have met plenty of ass hats like that all over the place.   Sounds like she may be busy as there are no shortage of people to get banned if that is your spin no matter what is as people who disagree are a dime a dozen.  Liberal is a word that has been demonized in our press for the last 30 years.  It does not even mean what most of those who "hate it" thinks it does.   The idea that liberalsim does not agree with sam harris (who I generally like) on the single issue of religious freedom for all does not mean anything.   I see the standing up for individual religious freedom as a win not for theists who would impose control but on all moderates for having the right to live as they choose without faiths edicts enforced.   There is no liberal support for theocracies or the imposition of religious law and as long as that is the case I will have no issue calling myself liberal.
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  812. Kadrick Ninness I disagree being a self identified liberal.  It is a straw man any time it is asserted we support factions that undermine anyone's freedom.  There is no unilateral defense of Muslims by the vast majority of liberals and all of them call out the guilty consistently.   What they stand against is the blanket assertion that the whole group is complicit and of concern when in fact the moderates you alienate in doing so are the ones best placed to help curb the real concern of extremism.   I believe Ben responded to Sam correctly.  Blanket criticism of Islam should be no more excepted than blanket criticism of all christens like they are homogenous.  We know that within both groups there are sub groups who are extremist and would impose their will on others with force.  To paint the entire group with the same brush is simplistic nonsense that ignores the fact the vast majority should not be lumped in with the most radical elements.  I personally like Chris a lot even if we disagree on some political issues.  That he was divisive and had some controversial spin is not in question.  That he had enemies on both sides of the political fence is also not in question.  What any of them said is not a really reflection on any community and especially a broadly defined one.  I defend or reject issues on a case by case basis and unlike many conservatives I deal with and do not feel the need to march lock step with the most radical elements inside a movement Identify with.  We know there are ass hats in both political spheres, we do not have to take responsibility for them because we both self identify as belonging to the same broad grouping. 
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  813. abel hawkins Will not stop them from trying.
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  814. Jeff Devine I do not know where you get your information on quantum mechanics but it proves no such thing.   People who actually know what they are talking about in this field have long ratified the concept of the big bang with QM.   Spirituality has no more place in science than religion does.  Both are based on non metaphysical constructs and like anything that is non falsifiable have no place in any process as understood by science.  Science stands alone just as well with or without spirituality.  It makes no claim on its validity as it is outside what can be tested and verified.  To link science and unsupportable unverifiable faith is always a fail that has consistently given us bad science that is later overturned or never ratified by others.
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  815. My complements Sam for getting through this conversation with only screwing up your face in annoyance and raising your voice once,  What you did was a true exercise in personal control and can't imagine I would have done as good of a job holding it together. 
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  816. ***** They call her that because she is. She is progressive, is she supposed to vote with the bat shit crazy right wing GOP?  As people like you use weak ass widely debunked talking points to slander her it makes her look better as people are learning to ignore your kind of fact free spin.  The smell of fear reeks from you clowns when you talk about her.
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  817. ***** Anyone progressive who votes with the GOP these days needs to renounce the identifier.  It is a joke you label her a big government authoritarian as you support the gop who is wholly owned by the banks and big money interests and do not even pretend otherwise. We have been fucked by our entire system as they now serve the highest bidder and not the people who vote for them.   This is true of the left and the right and in a pile of wriggling maggots who run our country she is one of the best of the bunch and her voting record (which I have studied) supports that. The only chance we will every have of getting our system be no matter what your political leanings are is to get money out of politics so our leaders have to earn our support and a debate of ideas in the interest of their constituency be they left wing or right wing can once again rule our legislators. 
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  818. who the heck is he talking to?
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  819. No one is pro Islam except Islamists and there are zero liberal Islamists. There is no reason to hate Iran or wish hardship on it's people because of 911 and to say otherwise is ridiculous ignorant hyperbole.  The negotiation process they are now going through is to ensure they do not make a nuclear weapon and that is better achieved through active diplomacy than simply stepping on them until they do build one to spite us.  There is no valid reason not to engage them and work hard to verify stick to any agreements they make.  Good diplomacy is the only way we will ever have any hope to stop them from making the bomb without another useless and counter productive war.
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  820. Steffen Zander I don't even to intend to claim that right but the trying to limit the number of states who have one is a valid and worth while effort.  The less groups who have one the less chance one will be set off in anger.  It is worth going through the process to negotiate an agreement where they do not even pursue one.   I am not defending the idea that Israel has one but encouraging Iran to make one does nothing but make a tense situation worse.  It seems they are willing to give up on the idea of having a nuke and we should be encouraging this with good diplomacy.
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  821. Steffen Zander Even if I conceded your point that "There never was even any effort to build one in the first place" (and I don't) the opening of diplomacy is a good first step.  If the they were building a bomb that has stopped and a process is being put in place to ensure they do not.   Or it was a total fabrication and then diplomacy is a good step as it takes us away from useless and unstable angry stasis.  Oh and a process will be put in place to ensure they do pursue one in the future.  In either case it appears positive that a dialog that moves away from the "there must be war" policy is a good thing.
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  822. Wisdom, he would not know wisdom if it bit his face.  He is a jingoistic ideologue who does not value reality or the lessons of history.   People shed their blood for freedom not to white wash history like we are run by the same crowd who would love to live in the world of 1984 or Fahrenheit 415.
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  823. As much as I dislike Spencer and agree with him on nothing this cowardly attack is reprehensible.  Violence begets violence and I see no reason to fan those flames when we can easily win with words.
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  824. GST was a consumption tax put in by a very conservative government and it had nothing to do with eliminating poverty. It was a tax grab on the entire constituency that did not effect corporations in the same way as they could claim it back.  It was so unpopular with the entire electorate that the party who put it in was reduced from a majority to two seats the next election.  Pretending the GST was done as a progressive measure is revisionist nonsense.  This fact free spin ties in with the validity of the rest of this guys claims and solutions.
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  825. Kyle Ruth He is right it often does, especially when enacted in a fundamentalist form. This is even more dangerous if the fundamentalists have the power to write law and enforce koranic/biblical traditions with the power of the state. The problem is not with Islam or Christianity per se but with an empowered fundamentalist element who has the power to shove nonsense dogma down peoples throat as law. Without that power fundamentalists lose power in any given society as the majority has historically chosen to moved away from them to more moderate versions of the faith. Islam was included in my note as it is an Abrahamic religion like Christianity and Judaism . Then entire group of Abrahamic fundamentalists all share the common flaws of misogyny to one degree or another and a lack of respect for anyone's right to disagree with them.
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  826. Libertarians do not deal with facts or numbers.  Faith is what you base your vision of economic policy on and you have never had anything to back up your spin but gut feelings.
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  827. No he thinks teaching these things is bad.  This is the what we are talking about,  If knowing our history hurts us then all he is doing is promoting ignorance, We know that is the case because it is the only state of mind they value.
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  828. He may be good at surgery  "may" but as a historian or educator he is a total failure.  He should really stick to what he gets paid to do because his spin is moronic and bankrupt.  It goes to prove that being good at one thing does not mean you are good at everything and this is one guy who should not be speaking in public.
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  829. Simon Torres Our politics today is not about votes but gathering money.  The leaders who can collect the most donations wins 95% of the time.  To even get to run you have to show the party you are a good fund raiser and they really do not care about your policy choices.  He is not honest, he is stupid or a failed talking point machine as he babbles the nonsense he does.  Anyone that imagines this clown is anything but a shill is as simple as he appears to be when talking at these events. 
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  830. That is not a compliment to either of them as it is damning Jeb with very faint praise.
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  831. ***** Yes you are.  So go.
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  832. modelmajorpita They constantly claim that the government can not create jobs unless what they are pushing for requires a different spin and then they ignore what they said yesterday to say what they need to today.  They have no good policy and have to lie about everything, this means they will eventually step on their own talking points as priorities change. They do it all the time.
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  833. They are all bought and paid for.  We need to get money as the driving force out of government if we are to hope to have a chance.
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  834. There is no domestic problem the GOP sees that they do not attempt to solve with tax cuts.
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  835. Making tenure harder to achieve is nothing more than a ploy to eliminate it entirely.  Our problem is not poorly motivated teachers, to say so is a lie that ignores our real issues.
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  836. Jack DaRapper But did not bother to show up either.
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  837. shirehorse91 It would seem you are the one buying propaganda.  Many non combatants are regularly being killed by our air strikes.  You may not like this fact but you are not contradicting it with this spin and it is naked propaganda to say otherwise.  If we do not even acknowledge our actions it is hard to criticize those of others.
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  838. shirehorse91 That means little when what you are saying is fact free.  No one sane supports fundamentalists who think it is fine to kill in gods name.  That being said indiscriminately killing civilians is not only immoral but also wholly counter productive unless you want to promote more radicalism. There are smart ways to fight these kinds of monsters but attempting to drone strike them out of existence is a proven failure of a strategy and has only made them stronger and grow faster.
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  839. The MRM clown read from prepared statements,  you set the bar very low on victory for people you agree with.  At best it was a "draw",  if mr read from his paper did not lose then there is no way someone who was debating his position could according to your spin.
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  840. We have rules and we have are unenforceable and industry likes it that way.  Every talking point you see denying this is an issue here is in direct service the them.
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  841. Triangle Man  Farm animals did not "come along before us", they are our creation from bread formerly wild ancestors.  Most of them no longer have the facility to live on their own and die as wild animals. It is not all but certainly most of them, this is a fact. We would not have the wealth we have if we did not have the structure of society to allow and encourage it. That structure is maintained by taxes and there is no example in human history that validates the idea we do better when there is no society around us that provides commonly used services.  Your spin about freedom from structure has no real world examples and never has.  Your ideas of what works are not supported by anything but your hope and faith.
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  842. Triangle Man People without structure and law do steal from one another, this is a fact.  All it takes is one group who has power to crush your ideal to enrich themselves and it is over.  You can pretend that the world is different than that but we do not have to do a hypothetical to see the results of the chaos you desire. No one invests to build hospitals in Somalia to saves lives because it is a bad investment due to the chaos there.The failure in Somalia was not because it was like our system but because they had a criminal enterprise who actually robbed the its people. That you imagine their issues were because they had a state ignores the real problems. Their leadership was completely corrupt and only a tiny group at the top and not the population at all while using actual force to maintain it. Real theft, real force and it was a failure. It takes stable society to develop complex infrastructure like hospitals that extend lives and save children. It takes a stable society to have clean water and safe food to eat.  It takes a stable society to focus on educating the young.  What  you are proposing has no focus on stability.  I will look at buddies videos, but am skeptical at best.
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  843. Triangle Man Your going to have to let go of the concept I fear my government or they exercise undue force on me. I in fact do not live in pre chaos Somalia.  Your spin is hyperbole and counter productive to your argument as sounding connected to reality. If you have a better answer that is fine but drop the rhetoric as it does not serve you. I believe the structure of society is held together by a common set of rules and a compact as well as the infrastructure that allows for the delivery of the necessities of life.  In our society taxes are part of that system.  I could say highly taxed societies are wealthier societies too but that would be no move valid than your freedom spin.  The causation you apply does not mean there is a correlation.  I reject your assertion that I am sharing state propaganda but even if I am all you are doing is sharing propaganda from another source.  Labeling me a stateist and that I am parroting dogma is not a good argument from you when in fact you are no better in another camp.  From what I can tell you are sharing ideas I have already looked at and rejected on their merits alone and not because I am indoctrinated or invested in what we have. Like I said I will look at your guys stuff, but am not holding my breath I will see anything new.
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  844. adamjsutto12 I think we very largely agree.
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  845. anphernie a great many do not define "violence" the way you choose to
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  846. Sasha Shepherd Not true, your gross generalizations are as big of a fail as any radical fem.   You are mirror images of one another cut from the same cloth and do no one a service.
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  847. The MRM has the same innate problem hard core feminism does in that they think they can solve issues that have to do with everyone in a bubble of their own.  There are some "MRM issues" I sympathize with, just as there are "feminist" issues I also support.   That being said the moment either of these groups goes off the rails and spends more time demonizing others than bringing everyone together to solve the real  problems they become part of the issue.  Everyone has a mother, a sister, a female freind,  everyone has a father, a brother, a male friend and any social standard that harms them harms us all.  No equity issue should be about pitting one another against anything but the injustice we should all be able to recognize if we can step outside ourselves.  Equality is what we should be seeking and in achieving it things will be better for you no matter what sex you are and just as importantly for everyone you know and care about.
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  848. ***** Do not expect anything from these guys.  They have a faith based vision of public policy and will let no fact get in the way of that gut feeling based faith. 
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  849. Easy, buy them.
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  850. modelmajorpita I meant buy the leaders who can make it happen, then it is business transaction and our "legislators" can ignore the morality of it like they often do these days.   I agree the entire idea is an affront liberty that our goverment has no business being involved in.  The clowns we have in charge now do not care about that as long as it makes the donors who tell them what to say a nickle or a dime.   
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  851. It stupidity a prime requisite to be a GOP candidate these days?  Why do they think nothing they say has to be attached to reality?  It likely has something to do with the fact her voters hate all facts and information that does not support their presupposed spin.
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  852. William Claypoole Except most of them are not breaking the law even they are hip deep in donor money. It is not illegal to buy our leaders these days, "fund raising" is actually an expected and a key part in running for either party.
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  853. Dakota Scofield What government am I supporting?  Your a moron and I will always stand against your kind of backward ignorance as you attempt to aggrandize yourself on the accomplishments of others. You are nothing and no matter what race you belong to come across as a simplistic moron who is filled with hate for the other.  Your views sit on the trash heap of history and your clownish backward spin marks you are a part a member of a discredited fringe movement that is as popular as syphilis.
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  854. Dakota Scofield No, it is very clear you are the moron.  I no more support the banking system than I do your ignorant backward spin.  That you are wrong about almost everything you type indicates your tin foil hat is way too tight.  Take it off before you pass out.
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  855. Dakota Scofield I have seen his garbage before and rejected it then.  I do not need to watch it again to dismiss it as nonsense that was defeated in the arena of public opinion long ago.  He is a neo-nazi throw back who lost almost every race he ran in.  To listen to him talk is to listen to a failure who appealed to the worst of humanities nature in a bid to gain power.  Your identity attached to your race is arbitrary and says NOTHING about you personally.  Until you do something to earn respect your white pride is nothing more than a crutch to hide your own failure to achieve anything yourself. 
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  856. Dakota Scofield I am not in support of the all Israeli domestic policy either and there is a great deal that is hypocritical about what they are doing but that fact does not change David Duke is a neo-nazi and denying it changes nothing.  He does not stand for freedom he stands for freedom for groups he identifies with and that is not the same thing.  Anyone that believes in the enforced separation of races is a throw back whose views lie on the trash heap of history.
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  857. noliementionemfacere And you are a sub moron who does not know what a Nazi is.  I find the hate from simpleton bigots like you warm and soothing.
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  858. YoSeCualEsMejor Ya name calling as that is what you pathetic clowns deserve.  Racist is code word for moron.
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  859. noliementionemfacere Racist is code word for moron.
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  860. noliementionemfacere That you take pride in others accomplishments to aggrandize yourself is pathetic.  I can appreciate beauty and advancement for it's own sake and do not not need to tie my value to what other people have done.   You have zero right to take "pride" in what other people of your "race" have accomplished as they did it not you.  it says literally nothing about you personally except you are small and have done nothing to be proud of yourself.
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  861. locutus94 The fact he is running under a GOP banner means none of that is ever going to happen in a Paul administration. He will be as owned by the Neo cons as any of them. Obama who has grass roots support for doing the things you want does not you can bet your ass Rand will be no better. He has already started hedging his bets toward neo con spin to garner the votes and money support he needs to have a shot. The country can not afford the GOP to pick the next supreme court justice and because of that you should not support this wolf in sheep similar clothing.
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  862. bobbytiger That is good because it has nothing to do with the veracity of this subject.
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  863. Larry Maggard I never said you did either, speaking of stupidity.  You are not seeking a conversation but are spreading naked misinformation either because you are a shill or a indoctrinated pawn in either case it is hard to take anything you say that is cookie cutter nonsense seriously.
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  864. Men died too,  but in war that is expected.  We are not so used to seeing the woman and children killed in great numbers too.
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  865. ***** Don't be so sensitive,  We know men died too and no one pretends otherwise.  When women and children die in a war that is not expected, it is that simple.  When anyone dies in war it is dark and that fact is not changed by talking about children being slaughtered.
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  866. Beck you sub moron you have been free to be bigot and that has not changed.  The only differnce is the government no longer enforces your views for other couples who do not share them.  The world has changed and more people are free that takes nothing away from you moron.  You are free to continue to be a bigot it is just law does not deny others rights based on your narrow vision of what marriage means, that is it.
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  867. Progressives are not if favor of anything goes as you ignorantly imply in your lame post. What we argue for is ALL consenting adults to have the same legal rights not dictated by your morality.  This does not mean a free for all, dogs can not give legal consent, children can not give legal consent, a vacuum cleaner can not give legal consent so there is zero danger of any of us supporting marriage rights for any of them.  From the perspective out side your ignorant right wing bubble your entire spin is laughably simple and failed, even more so as you imagine you are making a great point.
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  868. The stupid on the caller burns ..
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  869. It has less to do with him smoking an illegal drug but that he brazenly lied to everyone while trying to impute the character of those who broke the story.  As it turns out he is the liar and the propagandist and even as his allies flail around still trying to blame anyone but Ford a great many of his once loyal followers see him for what he actually is, a man who should not be Mayor. 
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  870. People are not paid based on productivity they are paid as low a the market will bear and in some cases that is the min wage.   The guy he keeps talking about at $9 is not paid that based on his productivity but what the owner can get away with.  Productivity and wages are not linked as a feature increased pay or we would all be making far more than we are. 
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  871. kathy kelly Has zero to do with productivity.  In the last 30 years our productivity has soared but our wages have remained flat or have lost ground.  Wages are NOT attached to productivity.
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  872. MrBrotmafia Because worker productivity is only valuable in terms of what products and services you can sell.   If you do not have customers for your service and you have not sold enough product to justify increasing production then there is no point hiring workers.  In fact staffing has been set at a very minimum level they need to fulfill their sales.  Because of automation less workers are doing the same job that was once done by many more and is one reason corporate profits are at record highs.  Your premise is failed and your spin is based on assertions that I never made.  You are straw manning my position and missing the point spectacularly as you do.
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  873. MrBrotmafia We have a definition that economists use and by that standard we are fundamentally more productive than even 10 or 15 years ago   If you have an issue with that assertion take it up with the entire community who says we are more productive it is not my assertion or definition that matters as what I am saying is widely accepted fact.  Again do not straw man what I am saying.  I asset that workers in industry today are more productive than ever and are paid the same or less than they were when they produced less in the same amount of time.   Profits are at record highs for many industries and the stock market is booming because all of the productivity gains have went into the pockets of the handful at the top and workers have seen next to  none of it.  You can assert productivity is not higher but to do so you have to ignore the numbers and it is clear you are more than happy to do so. 
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  874. MrBrotmafia All of our productivity has increased and everything I have seen validates this assertion.  The 7.50 worker have seen their productivity increase and their wages remain flat and fall behind inflation.  I do not advocate that people are paid more than they are worth but it is inarguable all the growth for the last 30 years have gone to those at that very top of the pile as we have all become much more productive with nothing to show for it except stagnation. All of the losses in the last crash incurred by the rich have been made back in spades and the only ones who really lost have been those not at the top end.  Profits are an and income of the corporate stake holders are a good measure of how much money is being made and our richest have never been richer.   This is occurring at the same time wages have been flat or actually decreased if compared to what we once earned indexed from the 60's.  Your assertion we are not more productive is pulled from what I assume is right out of your ass and nothing I have ever seen validates you. 
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  875. MrBrotmafia Of course it has. 7.50 an hour min wage is way behind the cost of inflation from 1968 while the prices have kept up.  This means that effectively the amount of money earns for the employer per line worker has increased and  and continues to as inflation drives up prices. This idea is simple and incontestable. 
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  876. MrBrotmafia Especially with regard to the the min wage that is true.    The fact is wages as a whole are behind inflation and most certainly behind the increase in production.  There is a reason the top 1% are making more than ever and the middle class on is shrinking and the ranks of the poor growing.  You can point to  companies make a few points but that is not the group in question. Painting the entire industry as only making a couple points misrepresents what many are making in profit.  This is not comparing anyone to machines this is talking about the only people they have not figured out how to replace.  We are MORE productive and you will have to produce something to validate we are  not because so far you are just talking out your ass making assertions I have seen no where else. http://www.mintpressnews.com/report-american-workers-are-more-productive-but-for-less-pay/167863/ http://www.foxnews.com/story/2007/09/03/americans-are-world-most-productive-workers-un-report-finds/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/american-workers-most-productive-in-the-world/ http://www.news.com.au/national/americans-most-productive-workers-in-the-world/story-e6frfkp9-1111114328846 Etc. etc., etc. Please cite the data or information backing you.
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  877. MrBrotmafia We should be sharing in them that working peoples wages have been flat and the richest are making exponentially more is a definitive issue for our economy.  Who is responsible, well the workers have at least some responsibility.  They are the ones that can no be downsized or replaced by machines. They are undeniably required and deserve to share in the spoils of the business.  Right now that is not simply not happening and the only ones who are getting richer are the super rich at the top. 
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  878. MrBrotmafia Where did I say the vast majority get more than min wage?  Employers are people who want to pay as little as they can get away with and still maintain retention.   That is not only the standard that is good business.  The last 30 years has been a focused quest to reduce labor costs and to pretend anything else is to have your head in the sand, As long as he pays them enough that they do not have high turn over and they have no issues staffing them then they will only pay as little as possible.  This is a fact deny it at your pleasure.  It has been near flat.  It has not scaled nicely and we are further behind and take home a smaller peice of pie of the pie than ever before.  Who has done really well are the richest who are exponentially richer and are only trending up. 
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  879. MrBrotmafia Because there is no upside to employing them unless you have sales to back up their job.  This is a silly question. Fuck the heritage foundation and their Koch sucking ways.  They are a naked propaganda outlet with no merit. They are shills invented to make false talking points for people like you that serve a tiny few.  To use the heritage foundation as a source means you  have bought into the billionaires narrative and share only propaganda and twisted stats that serve them.
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  880. John DOH What do you think that says that validates you?
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  881. John DOH If you think the only fight for rights is on behalf of men you are juiced and completely out of touch with reality.  I fight for equality not the equality of the 1950's you seem to prefer.  All real femisists want equality and that is exactly what mrm people should be fighting for too.  Not the brand of equality that only works for me or demonizes the other but the kind that gives everyone options with their sex restricting them.  We have come a long way in that respect but still have a long way to go.  This process is driven by neither "men" or "woman" but society as a whole.  People get herded into the limitations set on them by those around them and the community. This occurs to men just like it does woman and it should be everyone's job to combat the stasis of social advancement.  Feminism has taken woman a long way but the fight that stated long ago is not over as you ignorantly assert it is.  It is people like you that fought against them ever stepping up in the first place and in the your perfect world they would be pushed back to lose ever single advancement they ever made.  From my perspective this moment has freed men from the shackles of convention from men as well, iy has given men options that were unacceptable just 40 years ago.  I correctly fight the radical fringe of both sides loathe the man hating feminists with the save verve you do.  I no more support them than I back up your ilk.  In your passion to  see things enacted you both miss the point in the exact same way only on opposite sides of the fence and are far more alike than different. The answer is not in the divisive rhetoric of both you spit but in understanding equality will only be achieved when we fight for it on behalf of everyone not just one sex or the other.
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  882. It has freed men to stay home with the kids if they have the inclination. It has freed men to take get into jobs traditionally associated with woman like teaching grade school and nursing.  Within the era my mother was raised my grandfather did not have any of those options.  He was not as involved with his children as fathers are today because his focus was earning money and that was his focus alone.  In his time men were encouraged to be more emotionally detached and were shoved in a single direction that had few options. Feminism has opened up options for men to be something other that what 1950's society told they should be.  Men were as penned into gender roles as woman were except the ones they got as a historical default have been traditionally better rewarded financially.   But they were in the same kind of chains none the less.  That there are people like you who look at the 50's and salivate does not mean it was a time that offered actual freedom to men or woman as our roles were heavily dictated by society and not choice. Your spin is out of touch and so focused on the problems that you can not see what has been gained.  This is why you are exactly like the the "man hating" feminists who are the other side of your coin and you both need to be shouted down. The bottom line is your spin is ignorant and counter productive to your actual stated goals.
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  883. Walter badly misses the point that there are other ways of using the land other than farming.  If you are hunting land then you need a larger area to contain enough game. The plains natives traveled vast distances living in places across the entire south west, how is their claim not valid because they did not set up a specific kind of structure he arbitrarily values? His system is more pie in the sky unrealized thought exercise that could not survive contact with reality intact as he imagines it. No matter his intention it empowers the strong against the weak as most libertarian economic spin does.
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  884. Global Warming Skeptic These predictions are not some mystic gazing into a crystal ball they are scientists who use tested validated methodology to make real world predictions based on the past and our best understanding of climate models. What they say may not be exact but when they consistently go one way no matter how you look at the issue or from what angle it is evaluated from you can start drawing some inferences.  This is not a complicated idea for most.   What they are doing is science not mumbo jumbo.  Their papers are as "peer reviewed" as yours are and if they have a flawed methodology it should be easy to rip them up, have at it tiger.   "There isn't a single paper that makes this statement."    Sorry, I did not realize you are from some parallel dimension where everything is opposite.   To you up is down, near is far, good is bad etc.  I am not sure how you consider yourself informed as you mouth this nonsense.  You are either a wanton shill or painfully clueless.  Your semantic word games are not going to win you the day today.  Misdirection and out right denial of reality is all you have.
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  885. Global Warming Skeptic Refute the number 97% and we can talk.   You won't do so because all you have is a set of programmed responses.   The statement is made so go ahead invalidate it. If your response is anything like the rest your nonsense it will be classic misdirection.   
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  886. Global Warming Skeptic No go ahead and give me the evidence that you think validates you, I can then point out why your spin is wrong.
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  887. Global Warming Skeptic I have not been discussing the "catastrophe" you keep bringing it up because you think that is a winning point.  It is an example of how you people attempt to misdirect the conversation and rope in the simple with your spin.  There are reasons that have nothing to do with climate to change policies and those are as important as any.   The fact we need to cut our relaince on fossil fuel and move to next gen power generation is not in question.  If we do not we will be left in the dust and will be playing catch up with more forward looking nations.  The fact is there is no reason we should not be switching away from the old technology as the become cheaper and more efficient. The only reason we have no is your oil companies own those who set policy.  I do want change and I have a thousand reasons to justify it.  Out side the threats of climate change (which I do not have to ignore) there are plenty of good reasons to move away from the old standard and join the new millennium.  We either are the innovators of tech (like we have always been) or we are the late adopters who buy it at a high cost from someone else.  Historically we have always been the former and I would choose us to continue to be leaders not the people who follow.
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  888. Global Warming Skeptic We have better uses for our fossil fuels than burning them when we have better safer cleaner renewable options.   We are using 100 year old tech as the first world countries switch away from it.    The costs are coming down and will continue to as the tech continues to get cheaper.  That is the great thing about tech it always gets more cost effective as we mas produce it.  We are talking about resources we will NEVER run out of and it high time we started to switch too so we are not left with the third world.  There are plenty of things to use oil and even coal for besides burning it and we would be better to preserve it for those uses if we have other options.   "We produce energy more effectively than European countries."  We currently buy  $2.38 billion of electricity from green Canada who have very few coal plants and export almost exclusively green energy.  If they can make it an sell it to us then there is no reason we can not produce it.   The coal burning tech is old and very very very inefficient and dirty.  The idea we hang onto hundred year old power production and distribution methods because they are efficient is bullshit.  The powers that be own our leaders and the resources we use to generate power do not want change and you sing their nonsense.   They do not want to kill the golden goose and it has nothing to do with markets or efficiency or the consumer. We are not being driven by a democratic desire to burn coal but a political one sold to our leaders with campaign donations.  Your silly claims are nonsense personified and mark your spin is fossil fuel shill or a moron. I am not sure what you are talking about when you say Europe is behind us.  It is a phrase with no meaning.  By many many stats they are way ahead of us.  We are not on top anymore and can not hope to be as long as we are behind the curve on innovation and the desire to move forward and not keep doing what we did 5 decades ago.  The world is changing and we need to change with it.  Cons hate this concept but then you value stasis in every single case. 
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  889. Global Warming Skeptic We have to drill deeper because the cheap easy to get fuel is being used up.  The technology I am talking about is attached to energy generation not procurement.   Your spin does not address that fact. Costs for renewables are coming down but not fast enough because the volumes purchased are still low as we have barely bought in.   Like all technology it starts expensive and gets cheaper as production methods and availability increases.  There is no reason that solar power can not be very cheap and that it is renewable means the cost is up front does not have any of the additional costs assorted with it in terms of lives, pollution or security that oil does.   It is worth noteing that oil is very expensive in Germany and Europe as well and the extra costs have nothing to do with renewable tech but the way they choose to manage their energy and the cost of sources and future investment we ignore.  They pay more for all energy because their policy is forward thinking and they are planning for more than the next fiscal quarter as it correct. We pay little for power but there are additional costs associated with our choices and those have to be factored in.   Not the least of which is the fact we are falling behind the curve when compared to other modern counties who are making the investment now we are eventually going to have make as well.  Pushing it down the road is business as usual for you but is not a well thought out policy. Not just new, but renewable, clean, creates a new manufacturing base for jobs and phases out old tech like the rest of the first world.  Your voice is does not serve the poor it servers the very richest of us.   It serves stasis and the status quo over advancement. This is not a surprise because you belong to a group who opposes change no matter what especially if it steps on your billionaire masters toes. The only reason we are ahead is because of the stimulus we enacted when Europe picked austerity after the crash.  If we had  it your way and the gop was in charge through the crash we would have recovered just as slowly as Europe.  To make the claim we bounced back because of cheap power is fact free when Oil prices were at near record highs for us through most of the recovery. Your policy does not get credit for our success even as you people demonized all the actual efforts that made it happen.  
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  890. Global Warming Skeptic let me make this very clear for you, I DO NOT CARE WE PAY LESS!   Our energy policy is short sighted and will cost us far more down the road if we ignore where the rest of the planet is going.   We pay less for everything including fossil fuel because our policy is short sighted and the extra taxes attached to power in other places that go to infrastructure and transit development for the rest of the planet go uncollected by us.  We pay less because we operate using 100 year old tech when the rest of the planet is upgrading not to mention we are the fathers of oil use.    In the same way Germany will be the owners of the new tech we ignore.  The only ones this short sighted approach really helps are those who control the status quo and arguing for stasis will always be an uphill climb that people like you will make.  All technology including oil and coal was expensive when new.  Technology always gets cheaper and better with time and so it is with anything we have ever mass produced.  The costs of oil are not negligible.  It drew us into a 2 trillion dollar war and has us allies with some of the most regressive and backwards countries on the planet.  It has costs us many lives taken by the pollution it generates.   It costs us jobs as we ignore whole new seconds of manufacturing that are opening up in other parts of the world.  It costs us innovation as we will be forced to buy others designs instead of being the leader and doing it ourselves.  It puts us behind the curve and beholden to groups we do not agree with on anything.  It empowers dictators and some of the worst actors on the public stage as we pour money into their hands for a product we could do without if we h ad the will.  The costs are not negligible and it is myopic to say so. We are not far ahead in quality of life,  in the development technology anymore,  our manufacturing is on the decline and you regularly hear how china and even India is kicking our ass on economic indicators.  We are not far ahead and hitching our wagon to a resource whose price is determined by what happens in the chaotic middle east is a licence to have trouble.   I say great about our reserves and argue we  should be saving them for things we can only get from oil.  Power is not one of  those things and the oil will not get less valuable or useful as time goes on and it gets even more costly.   There is no reason to burn such a valuable resource when we have other options if one is forward looking.   You are dead wrong they recovered better or more quickly.   They languished behind us the whole time and have stayed there.  Both Canada and the States did stimulus and both recovered far more quickly than Europe did.  They did nothing well and their current state is a direct reflection of what they did.   You can not say they are behind us and did a better job with their economic plans, the ideas are mutually exclusive. 
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  891. Teremei Bernie's efforts have proven there is a constituency to support that very effort. He will continue to fight for exactly what you understand we need and there are a great many people who support this idea. This primary and election is not the end of this fight, it is only the beginning.
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  892. ***** Don't agree, we may have learned not to listen to cons on these issues and social conservatives have no standing in this arena.
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  893. ***** No, but then they do not value it anyway.
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  894.  @9432515  This is the same Bible from the same God that describes who you can enslave and how they are to be treated. The book is a mess of absolute contradictions making it perfect as tool to sell any idea you want to. The bible has passages that iterally list who you can enslave, makes it a hard sell to call it anti slavery. There are several random stupid rules in the 10 commandments about preseving gods fragile ego. A just version of your god would have replaced them with anti rape and slavery rules, he is much more concerned what people call him and what they bow to. You are rationalizing you God into agreeing with your modern perception and proclivities. It does not appear he agrees if you go by what is actually said. Of course a good God would be inatley anti slavery, that begs a question. Good luck with that hunting. I imagine it must be hard to do so unarmed. No where is it anti slaver. In fact the god described seeks to make doting slaves of all.
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  895. The policies Cruz advocates for are the root of the decline of the middle class.  He is nothing but a tool, a bought and paid for mouthpiece for the very forces that are corrupting and destroying our country.   
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  896. Jononutoob You do not have to guess, look at the numbers in places that have already raised it.  Your assumptions are not valid.
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  897. I do not have the stat,  why are  you asking?
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  898. Jononutoob Not true, the same arguments are always raised and are never validated by what occurs when implemented.  Costs might be raised a bit will be mitigated by market demand and competition and this has been shown to be true by example.  The reason we do not raise it to $30 is it would destabilize the market.   It is widely excepted that it should be raised incrementally so that it does not negatively impact business in one shot.   We do not have to guess what happens when we do this,  there is data to be examined looking at areas geographically close together when one is raised and the other is not.   Putting more money in the hands of more people can only increase demand.
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  899. Jononutoob No that you want to see our system remove the safety net that is a major difference between us and the third world is a useless and destructive suggestion,    Your argument is nonsensical and you can not justify $30 not to mention it would greatly inflate costs where my suggestion would not.  Walmart is one of the companies fighting a national minimum wage as we speak.  Their remuneration policy means that 1/3 of their workforce requires food stamps to keep their heads above water.   If they actual cared about paying a good wage they could do so and some of their competitors like target has.  We already know what happens when it goes up we have examples and your prognosticating is not necessary or valid.   The places that can only survive by paying a slave wage will be replaced by business that is efficient enough to pay more and this has been shown time again.  Arguing we need to pay people starvation wages for them to have a job is an up hill demand that is not validated by reality or the data.  Your argument does not defend small business but the walmart family who is the biggest benefactor of this wage policy in the country.
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  900. Jononutoob It is a misnomer that it is primarily small business that take advantage of min wage when in fact the biggest benefactors are places like walmart and McDonalds.   It is your assertion that it crush's small business when in fact the actaul numbers we have show the opposite.  Calling the min wage fascist is a joke as it is your spin the real corporate fascists and think tanks fight for.   You are talking like you are some kind of populist when in fact you are fighting for the very richest to be richer.  You really should cite one place on the planet that has got it right as your ideas have never survived contact with reality as a beneficial concept. Slave wage is a valid term and even if it offends your sensibilities it is more than valid.  When you require government assistance just to get by while working full time you are working a virtual slave wage.  It is in fact your policy of fighting the min wage that has kept them at borderline poverty and that you imagine it has nothing do with how people are paid by the greediest is myopic at best and plain blind at worst.  That you excuse the cuase of the problem and blame the workers is typical.  You are the kind that sees a group who has got exponentially richer as the rest of us had flat wage increases all the while we have improved productive and still fight for the richest. Your question of which is worse is a non starter as the company making a billion a year will make 980 and that is better than the zero they make with no workers too.  The companies in question rely on their workers to make their profits and that you imagine they should have no social responsibility while you call 1/3 of the work force lazy is a sickening outlook.   The choice is not between 8 and 0 and that has been shown again and again by real world examples.  There is no need to trust your gut or the think tank propiganda on this subject.  You can say it is kicking the can down the road but that is just another talking point from the derange right and has no basis in reality.  You really need to find out what that term means as it refers to borrowing money and in the case of min wage it makes no sense. I don't blame walmart but then I do not think we have to let them run over the poor because they can.  We have options and one of them to raise the min wage as it has been shown to be a positive thing and while none of your spin has been validated mine has by example.
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  901. Jononutoob The thing that makes the wage slavish is the fact it has not been indexed for inflation.  That you do not understand inflation is an innate part of our monetary system and is inherently built into it is par for the course when it comes to your ignorance but is not an excuse to justify paying people who work full time starvation wages as their parent companies rake in billions. Your view that if you are 50 and working for slave wages you deserve it is not validated by anything but your prejudice and naked ignorance.  I do blame the employers of 1/3 of our workforce for shitty wages even as you blame people who have no control of them.  You clearly have no idea what my philosophy is based on even as you defend the strong on the back of the powerless.   I have been "over" your mindless prattling for  while but will damned if if I give your ignorant ass the lass word.
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  902. Jononutoob Wages have to raise as the the cost of living will continue to rise because of inflation innate to worlds economic system.  I am not defending the monetary system but it is the only one we have and it has never had zero inflation as a component of it.  I do not promote anything but a fair wage for a fair days work and live in reality where prices go up even as you imagine wages should not.  I have said what I want in pointing out your spin has zero merit and leave you with a final thought.  If you dislike our monetary system then forcing more working people to be poor will not solve the issue.
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  903. That your party has stood in the way of EVERY effort made to turn Bush's crash around is a huge part of the problem. That your guy put the car in the ditch and then his buddies kept pushing it back in yet you blame the tow truck for the problems because he is not working fast enough shows you to be dishonest in your criticism. Like everyone with your backward spin you miss the context for the challenges faced by this administration and like always refuse to take responsibly.
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  904. You are the deluded one and have shared nothing but simplistic talking points that are dismissed with a quick Google search to look up the real facts or the context of your partisan info. I am joining forces with no one but am happy to point out the weakness of your arguments because I take pleasure in doing so. I enjoy seeing new points of view and good arguments but you have neither of those and are just rehashing weak and discredited talking points from your fact free bubble.
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  905. They do not have to give in to black mail. There is a reason the authorities resist negotiating with hostage takers as if they did it would only encourage them to do this again. They have zero mandate to re-litigate laws passed in congress, the house, and the supreme court. If they want to change the law they should win elections. That should be easy if it is as bad and "unpopular" as they say it is. There is no comprising with hostage takers, it almost always ends badly for them.
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  906. But she used it incorrectly in context. What she should have been saying is halal if she was not trying to ban all food that was not halal and that is not her stance.
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  907. The best most effective global systems of eduction in the world are public. The places that have a private system do not have any claims to quality or superiority.
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  908. There is no conceivable mechanism that would cause people to tun to crime because they have potential to make more as a min wage. It makes no intuitive sense, the data correlating this assertion would have to be very very definitive. I can't imagine it is. That which can be asserted without proof can be rejected without proof.
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  909. I know you want to call the victim that has never been tried or charged a criminal but it only makes you look clueless. We know who is worse, a failed wanna be cop who carries a loaded gun around his community looking for trouble ..
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  910. Your argument is non nonsensical. If you want to be a slave and work for free just volunteer, no one wants to work for less than minimum wage as you simply can't live on it here.
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  911. Plus they are paid to spit on their base and lose while the GOP at least looks like it is super serving theirs while getting away with worse robbery making the worst donors who contribute to both very happy.
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  912. We have been dependent on it for a very long time, your argument is a straw man as you have no model to base your perfect society on. Can you tell me the place on earth you might want to live that is not dependent on their government to help create a productive safe society?
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  913. She could be better ... she miscalculates some times. But I do not see this is as one of them.
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  914. It does not as they plan to ship it directly to china.
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  915. There is no reason for anyone to cut anything as there is no mandate to do so at this time. There is zero upside to these companies cutting employees at this time because of Obama care so it meas they are doing it for other reasons. Get a clue, these talking points make you look simple.
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  916. Not to mention they steal the pensions accumulated before selling off the rest of the company as parts.
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  917. This is a consistent meme from your side of the fence, the right wing as a whole does not come across as reasonable to most people and paid for it electorally. This kind of garbage cost you a great deal and until people in your camp call out this garbage like this screed yourself you will continue to be associated with it.
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  918. Ya they did, they actually had to form a super majority in the senate to get anything passed. More fact free pronouncements from the right wing bubble, when you talk about a bias your picture is under the definition and is a joke you accuse anyone of it. A constitutional republic and a democracy are not mutually exclusive get a clue before you say stupid things in public.
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  919. All fundamentalists are the same brand of fail ...
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  920. It does not, you just buy what you are sold and never ask anything of it. Conservatism does not demand this of you but you are part of a brand of conservative who parrots what what ever is being shouted inside their ignorant fact free bubble and this is we see you repeating. There is no thought in what you say, you do no research into the subject beyond what is being said by people you "agree" with, sadly in the end I think you mostly do it to belong. You are tool of propaganda, nothing more.
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  921. Nonsense, pretending he gives any air to the DNC's corruption or a pass is deeply ignorant or dishonest. I don't give a fuck witch you are, just calling it like I see it.
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  922.  @Dogscatsbikes  How?
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  923.  @JefffromtheEmpire  Fact free, a Poll in IOWA where he barely wins by the margin of error against Sanders or Biden is not the slam dunk you think it is. All of these polls greatly underestimate the support of Bernie as they are based on likely voters. Bernie draws from well outside that list and brings out a lot of people who can not support any of the corporate sellout candidates on either side. Trump is not running against hillary (who half her own base hated) this time.
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  924. That you think selling weapons to terrorists is a good idea says all I need to know about your standards and goes a long way to explaining why we do not agree.
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  925. That should be done as well, but as long as they have sing for their supper the leaders who attract the most money will win more often than what they supports suggests they should.
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  926. Actually you and the current administration of Russia have a lot in common, you are all bigots and do not value individual freedom at all.
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  927. robinesss The answer to "why is ok to treat one group differently" is they are not treating one group differently. The rules are laid out as such they apply to everyone and define the group you belong to by virtue of the value you take back from the society you live in. Those who benefit to a greater degree not only can afford to pay more but should pay more as they derive measurable benefits that others in the society do not. In progressive tax system they are actually paying their share because their share of the total whole is larger. To ask the larger earners to the pay the same as those who earn less is actually the dubious moral position as the more one makes the more they garner a larger percentage of the countries economic benefit than the citizens who make less.
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  928. robiness They are arbitrary groups are literally defined by the policy itself. The people who make more derive a larger percentage of the value of the society and are there for beholden to pay more than those who make less. The direct benefit is not in the common utilities provided by the state but that they derive the access to their source of income (whatever it is) which exists in a system supported by the society they live in. They earn it, however they earn it with access to the Infrastructure and supported markets in the country. They are expected to pay taxes requisite to their earnings for that privilege. The access to the opertuntites our common market and earning potential in our system supporting a capitalism justifies the policy that if you make more you can be expected to pay more taxes. You are garnering more resources so you are beholden to give more back. The rates of taxation or how the groups are broken up are for debate but the progressive system is the only one that could be considered remotely fair.
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  929. "before personal income tax they were not legally obligated to pay more than anyone else" so ... and? That does not make it unfair that they do have to pay now. It is arguable they have even greater opertuntites to make even more money than the did then. You are making a mistake of confusing resource use (power, roads ect) and the requirement they pay for access to our labour market and market in general to make money. They owe more for access to the system that provides the structure to build the opertuntites they take advantage of because they make more. Sure I there are lots of examples where unequal is considered fair .. two people doing the same job. One has more experience than the other so they make marginally more. They are equal and do the same job but one makes a little more because he has been there longer. To apply your argument to them you would say they should both be paid the same because they are both doing the same job. Woman pay more for hair cuts than men, they pay less for insurance and you may consider all these things unfair but for the most part they are accepted.
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  930. You tried to make the claim it is unfair to make them pay more and that is countered by the argument it is unfair for them not to because they get far more from the society than those who make less. That at one time we did not have this facility for tax collection does not mean it is immoral or wrong that we have it now. Even bringing up that we did not have it at one time is now meaningless. In my worker example they are same the only factor that is different is one guy has been there longer. So it is with someone having a higher wage, they are different because one makes more and therefor they not in the same group. You can not say it is ok for the one guy to be paid more and not ok to charge the higher earner more, additionally you can not dismiss the point with a wave of your hand because this example is in the private sector. There are innumerable qualifications for any number of government programs. You as a smaller farm do not qualify for the exact same subsidies as a larger one, nor are you bound by the same regulations, etc. You as an American qualify for legal aid or not based on income. Most normal tax payers can not take advantage of the built in tax loop holes because it takes a certain amount of money invested many will never have so they work. Most citizens are not in a position to take advantage of paying income as a corporation with it's requisite advantages even as some are. You are equal but effectively different as a low earner by design, why not a higher earner? There are all kinds of things that make you the same but different depending on if you qualify any given program or responsibility. Paying a higher rate of taxes based on your reported income for that year is simply one of them. There is nothing unfair or uneven about this as it is universally applied and one year you may pay more and another you pay less. It is based on your level of success and what you gathered from within our shared system. Taxing income progressively is by far the most equitable way to determine how much tax to pay. A progressive tax system is eminently more fair than a regressive one especially if delivers a free stable productive frame work for society and earning to exist and prosper in.
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  931. robinesss It has nothing to do with the resources they use and you are either being purposely or accidently obtuse in ignoring why they pay more. It has to do with the benefit of higher wages they garner from the society, based on the higher wage advantage they earned or stumbled into. They are paying back for the opportunity to make more and there is most certainly a reason they pay more than the person who makes less as they take more advantage of the system by drawing more income. Stop with if they use more water thing, it is not connected to my point. They do draw more income and as a percentage of the total income of the country they draw more so they pay more for that privilege not everyone in the world has access to. This is not a tough concept, that you pretend there is no justifiable reason is you just ignoring points plainly placed in front of you.
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  932. You must not know what common sense means. They have done nothing but start with an insane demand they have no mandate for and made it less insane but still just as bad. They holding the entire country hostage to attack a bill they do not have the votes to attack themselves. This is nothing more that political terrorism and it is going to cost them in the next elections and I can't wait to see fact free loons like you cry and cry. You think they took a beating last elections, just you wait ..
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  933. Backwards troglodytes, those that support you do not value freedom and as long as one person is oppressed and denied their basic human rights none of us is truly free.
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  934. No he did not, he made fun of the fact he is a dishonest shill with no principles. Rubin's good buddy Ben on the other hand refused to have lunch with him and his husband.
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  935. You clowns live in a field of straw men ..
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  936. Oil was subsidized (and still is) to become the most profitable enterprise in human history. It became as important as it is today because of government support. Rail road development was highly subsidized and opened up our first forms of mass transportation that allowed for rapid development. The deployment of both electrical communication lines was also subsidized. The almighty "profit motive" often precludes development or deployment of new tech that if supported later becomes profitable.
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  937. Interesting perspective, there are arguments that this data has unlimited financial benefits associated with it for marketing or any number of data mining efforts that might mitigate that effort. I think that there is a great deal of money on either side of this issue is the only reason it is getting the limited support that it does.
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  938.  @DevynCairns  Canada does not have enough vaccines, they do not make them and are waiting for shipments. That is the only reason they are behind. If they had the same access as the us they would be at Israel levels.
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  939. He keeps getting covid because no matter how you get your protection be it via vaccine or infection it fades over time Dennis gets his version of booster by getting sick over and over.
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  940. As is correct
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  941. Lol, these guys have not found a fact they did not try hard to ignore.
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  942. Isn't it interesting what name they chose? They are using the Greek alphabet, mu was supposed to be next but was confusing and xi was after that and is the name of china's leader. They omicron as it was the next letter in the sequence. These fox morons are always detached from reality and know nothing
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  943. You do not lie as you do not say anything. I have to guess what system you actually support as you are too afraid to define it. First you say our system is not free market enough for you when it fact it is the closest thing on the planet to a free market system. The fact our system consistently leaves people who can not afford it out in the cold is what I base my statements on. That there is no working system anywhere doing what you claim is best only shows what a mindless argument you have.
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  944. I point out Romany's policies are nothing new. He literally has gone back to the old standard tax cuts fix everything mantra. You blame Obama for extension of the tax cuts but it is clear who drove that bus and there was no chance he was ever going to save middle class tax cuts without extending them for the rich. If he had of let it laps it would be people like you crying he let taxes go up on the middle class. He chose the lesser of two evils and I can not blame him for that.
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  945. Instead of assuming your are not a partisan hack i am going to say you are.
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  946. you look stupid saying stupid things in public.
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  947.  @sulidos  Please we only win debates, we win them with the sane. Not robots who lie or spit misinformation as matter of standard practice
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  948. Not by themselves that can't
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  949.  @leeeastwood6368  that was my thought
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  950. We agree on what he is and what he has to offer. Wasting my breath talking to people like him a thankless hobby you can only do for a while until you get burned out for a period. Appreciate the tip of the hat though, it does have value.
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  951. Troll detector goes off ..
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  952. There are a few simple and very important reasons why it is not a good idea. First of it will not help a lot as the number of people in this group is not as large as you might imagine and the savings would be pretty inconsequential. Worse it would change the status of the program from from an earned benefit to an entitlement. At that point it would be easier to cut next time the economy randomly dips. The right has tried to cut it since day 1, it is an innately partisan idea.
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  953. If someone is an idiot who does not like someone else because of who they choose to love, they should keep it to themselves. No one should be compelled by law to sooth your bigotry.
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  954. You are like a moron who only used 4 letter word calling anyone stupid. You blather falsehoods with confidence and it makes you look clueless and then you call everyone you not a agree with dumb. You are both pathetic and a good example of the losers who hold you fact free opinion. Obama is liberal like fox is fair and balanced.
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  955. A dopy one.
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  956. No one who cares about policy or integrity cares about this talking point. The days of buying this stupid wedge issue stuff is done except among the clueless. This is even more true as Biden is only a year younger and has all the same issues.
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  957.  @richsackett3423  if you say so. I would argue more people care about policy than the amount of policy in the media suggests. the establishment does not want to talk about policy because it hurts them. That does not mean voters do not care about it and the declining popularity of the main steam media and their vapid coverage does not suggest they understand what people want either . The spin you spit is not popular anywhere. As you barf the same spin as the media and ignore or disparage the value of policy in favour of valueless distraction spin you become ever less relevent to the discussion. The only way we get Trump is if they force Biden on us with super delegates. Trump will be mauled by Bernie and this age argument will fall apart as he is only a year younger and is already in noted mental decline.
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  958.  @richsackett3423  Polls do 'mean shit' even if thay are not predictive as the establishment uses them. like all statistics they can be manipulated to set a narritive. The media you agree with has misused them to make the status quo look better and failed. They failed becuase of what they chose to share not because the polling was useless. Numerous groups saw the danger, the media who shares your sneering at policy values ignored data that predicted an outcome they did not want on purpose. You can say this anti policy spin is all you but as you parrot the talking points of a loser like mayor Pete who also dislikes detailed policy it undermines your cred. You and the establishment clowns are wrong. People are waking up to a demand good policy over empty bull shit people like you and media mogals value.
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  959.  @richsackett3423 Hillary is not the nominee this time. Nihalism won trump the last election becasue both choices were shitty. Nihalism is blown away when there is something to believe in. We have that this cycle.
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  960. Because the points did not counter his arguments very effectively. When an assertion is irrelevant to your argument stipulating to it is a valid tactic in making your point without the clutter.
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  961. Finland is the best system and it is completely public. The German system is still public it just administered by the states rather than the federal government. South Korea also has a centrally managed system and their focus on math is serving them well. Saying the best schools in our failing system are the ones made for the rich does not validate your point as most Americans can not afford to send their children there and if they could the prices would be raised so they could not.
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  962. And those who spend their last dollar there go hungry
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  963. That you compare today's progressive movement to the 1920's shows why you are fundamentally confused. Giving woman the vote was not a single matter issues associated with prohibition but equality under the law for everyone that we are proud to continue to fight for to this day. Today's progressives are very libertarian in their focus on social issues and individual rights and to deny this marks you as clueless to what the modern progressive stands for.
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  964. Am embarrassed for the actors on that show.
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  965. They were not clean, they had chunks of legislation unfunded. They are the definition of unclean is why they were rejected. A clean bill would fund everything and not just the things they want to. This is on the rights head and the whole country (aside from a few in an ignorant fox bubble) know it.
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  966. I already have my education and carrier, what I gained from them could not have been supplied by some "online academy". There is no substitute for what post secondary education offers not just in terms of information but experience and exposure to different ways of thinking. Attacking education a useless and destructive thing to do do unless you value mass ignorance.
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  967. There are no solutions from government, they are ours and we should choose them. Some things the government can do well and some it can't, but we do need it. The fact you think the government can do nothing right is fact free gospel to you and that you call accuse anyone else of being cultist is real weak sauce. I have spoken to libertarians in the past who make a good points but understand the value of a balanced approach, you are not one of them. Go enjoy your ultra inexpensive health care.
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  968. Very positive news.
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  969. No life is ended, what about this is confusing to you. It simply stops an unwanted pregnancy from taking root. That you insist on calling this an abortion only make you look clueless and damages your already weak position. In my experience woman enjoy sex as much as any man does, the idea that men use woman for sex says more about you than woman in general. Someone that can not understand the basic difference between an abortion and post facto birth control should not be calling anyone idiot.
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  970. Terrifying as right now they are paid to lose.
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  971. The only reason they had to pass that bill is because they are screwing us all to achieve their partisan desire of destroying health care reform for the rest of the country. It is their fault they had to pass it in the first place, they are the dead beats and everything that is not funded is their fault including the children's treatment. They pass a clean budget if they really cared about the children and millions of other who suffer because of this.
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  972. So you like the idea of permeant toll roads everywhere?
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  973. Mostly the stupid who are dying to have their bankrupt ideas propped up by someone that talks fast with conviction while saying things they like.
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  974. So lets get this strait, your argument to not raise the min wage is because you will not get the 2 dollar wage increase. I would point out the wage increase you "would not get" would already be applied. You would be making more even if you did not get an increase. Many jobs that pay min wage are services jobs, if they had to tack a few cents onto a few products to pay their workers better it would cost me little and make a huge difference to the workers.
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  975. But fear is literally all they have. It is built on a diamond hard foundation of ignorance.
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  976. Ya he should have never taken the republican idea of the mandate at all and created a public option instead. It is brutal he is being roasted by the right for using their ideas.
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  977.  @wz7730 it is onenof the few things she can when congress and the senate are still owned by the highest bidder. Raising awareness of failures and issues has value, she is one of the few doing so
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  978. Yes let your fellow americans suffer when they are devistated by no fault of their own. We are a rich country and that assholes like you would leave people to suffer when we have the resources to help is beyond sick. These people are doing their best but that is no reason to leave them to swing in the wind. Your bankrupt morality shows that you do not understand the religion you purport to support.
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  979.  @QuartuvLarry  Just dislike him saying dopy contradictory things. Joe Rogan: Never get vaccinated if you are young and healthy as it is just the flu. Also Joe Rogan : If you get the virus throw the kitchen sink at it including deworming and expensive antibody drugs. He freaked out and took every drug in the medicine cabinet, when was the last time you took a $1500 shot and handful of horse deworming drugs to ward off the flu?
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  980. What is the chance the cultists knew his name?
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  981. This trust fund loser should not be near our foreign policy at all!
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  982. The same can be said of any regions major city, if you think rural Kentucky is carrying itself you are deluded.
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  983. She is talking about foreign dignitaries that are staying at high end facilities that cost 30k a day to attend .. it does not mean you have access to the same care with out a trust fund backing you up.
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  984. Was not a debate, was a painful to watch the debate bro gish gallop nonsense half talking points.
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  985. It is not jealousy you are detecting it is loathing of what are some really bad human beings.
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  986. He did not! He endorsed her after Bernie lost. When you spit overt lies you look dishonest or ignorant.
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  987. You have not invalidated one point I have made. That none of these are progressive stances and are in fact conservative ones means that people can and do hold positions on different issues that are on opposite sides of the political fence. That being racist and homophobic happens to consistently belong in the conservative zone is your cross to bear even as some people who vote democrat for other reasons share them.
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  988. A) Because they leaked it on purpose, mark my words there will never be prosecution or even an announcement of where it came from B) Communication between the highest level of terrorist leaders is not declassified when run of the mill things shown in previous leaks are not either. D) Yes it is, What Snowdan leaked is embarrassing to the administration but has little to so with foreign intelligence gathering, what they leaked shows our operational capacity at the highest level,
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  989. The job loss thing is a talking point, the elements that effect business's do not go into effect for a year. Get this through your thick head, If they are laying off people it has nothing to do with the ACA. It is the republicans who are trying to attached modifications to enacted court authenticated law for partisan reason by attaching the demand to the budget. It is nothing short of a ransom and that you blame the dems for not paying it means you are disingenuous or an idiot.
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  990. Clowns like the poster have no clue what the word pretentious means, I would not take it to heart.
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  991. Your reading skills are now in question along with your debating and reasoning skills. I explained what my views are based on and you have not refuted anything I have said. You do not understand the "free market" nature of our existing system is what is hurting us and that the solution sold to you by insurance companies serves no one but them. You have no ideas, no come backs and no viable plan, you have nothing but attempted attacks on what I share that only underlines your lack of an argument.
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  992. You have done nothing but batter us with your blatant naked ignorance.
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  993. You have no idea what you are talking about and as a standard you project your own worst faults onto the people you call eneimes. No one cares what you think of gay people and your list of ignorant slurs mark you as completely clueless. Ignorance and bigotry is what you kinds holds dear and each of your failed attacks on the other make it less clear what kind of simple minded loser you are.
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  994. As usual you have no clue what we think, I believe you people are incapable of it.
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  995. If thier 'convictions' are attached to existing investment it makes a great deal of sense. There is money in preserving the status quo.
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  996.  @julianjanssen5499  But that would posit a reality that choices are always meaningful the interest of what is luctlrative. Their concern is not.im.tje value or profitability or production tesla. It is thr product stress on the status quo because of a lack of after market maintenance and repair sales.. The lie sorting tressla is a cynical ploy to preseve internal combustion after market parts and repairs, a huge but dying industry that is going to have to radically change thier models to hope to be a profitable under an electric platform. So they slow down progress. There is more to made by keeping things the same
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  997. For each time they speak .. that is a great hourly rate
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  998. His fans are as toxic and idiotic as he is. They are consistently a waste of time
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  999. He is among the dumbest ... flabbergasted? He counts on cross section of being extra dopey.
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  1000. Reagen trickle down bullshit has been thoroughly debunked except in the minds of fevered right wingers. You point to a guy who won the prize 30 years ago, there have since been progressive economists (ie Paul Krugman) who has won it since and he certainly does not agree. You think you have a lock on the truth when all your are doing is spitting right wing propaganda. I think you are wrong too but then I have facts on my side to back me up and not just religious devotion to a failed idea
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  1001. They will invariably harm the workers that work in that environment and for that reason alone it should be banned. No one is forced to do anything and they are free to smoke there if they are willing to pay the fine, if not they can restrain themselves or go outside. There will always be disagreement on these kinds of measures and like everything a balanced approach is probably best with exception where they make sense on a case by case basis.
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  1002. Franchise of faith ... what does that even mean? Should we be excited about some business that is run by fundamentalist Muslims that try to push their religion on others too?
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  1003. Russia a shit hole run by a dictator, no one sane thinks it is a great place.
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  1004.  @wvu05  When I think of a broken clock I think of a person that always says the same thing and is only right periodically by accident.
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  1005. The WORST argument against a union ever! People should share what they have, that is what the union is for.
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  1006. That makes sense, know we have to fight them too day one and not sit back.
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  1007. We have lots of money, it is just a matter of what we choose to spend it on. Affordable health care for the citizens for of the worlds largest economy is not an unreasonable request. It is your ignorant assertion that it is unaffordable, nothing more. The fact is you want the government to do nothing and are perfectly happy to see people dieing on the streets as long as you do not have to pay taxes. Know your position marks you as part a tiny minority, a cult to use your terms.
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  1008. You called it .. it turns out he was creepy really creepy.
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  1009. Pot does not make you edgy or nasty .. not to most. Blame the fact he is an asshole instead.
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  1010.  @cockoffgewgle4993  Censoring you guests by editing out what they actually say because you do not like it is censorship, in this case self censorship but censorship regardless. Editing guests answers to remove content is censorship of them, it undermines their speech, changes it. No one said it is illegal but is super douchey for someone that claims to value free speech. He censored his guests speech for stupid reasons, go ahead defend that but know we see what you are and Jimmy are. Civil rights is a great deal more then just free speech sparky. It is not clear you understand what broken means.
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  1011. The socialism we want is working well. It exists in the Scandinavian countries, Finland, Norway, Sweden. As you suggest we look history there is no need as the living breathing system we fight for exists today and works so well we wish to adopt it. Just saying.
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  1012. They gerrymandered the house, by popular vote they lost the it. They literally have no popular mandate to do what they are doing. They represent a minority of the country and interests that have nothing to do with popular support. They are holding the whole country hostage in spite of the fact they never received a mandate to do so. They are demanding laws already on the books passed by all branches of government get pulled back so they do their job. Everyone sane knows whose fault this is.
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  1013. Thank you very much, Speaking of treason ... Candace why you you hate america?
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  1014. Tax credit and tax cut is a distinction with out a difference. They both put money in our pockets. Personally I think the credit idea is better as it is just not issued again when things get better as in spite of what you people think the government still needs to be funded in the future. From what I can see their "agenda" is to keep our country solvent by paying their bills and that is more than I can say for the people you support.
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  1015. Why would they not blame them? This what those clowns have blamed on for any violence they committed for the last decade.
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  1016. The Oklahoma example you cited is single a drop in a very big very dysfunctional very expensive system. The right to continue to live is not decided by your bank account in other first world nation and it should not be here either. If we pay for our system communally it is cheaper for all of us and as shown by many examples offers much better results. The free market has nothing to do with health care as most have no options when it comes to deciding if they are going to by the product.
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  1017. Your talking points are just not remotely true. Japan has the best life expectancy, we have the 33rd. We pay more than anyone else and get results consistently ranked in the 30's for almost any stat you care to name dealing with patient outcomes. Time for you to get some real facts as your facilities appear to be compromised by either ignorance or a desire to willfully misinform.
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  1018. What left wing lunacy has Biden done? Trump pretending Biden is quasi communist never ceases to be funny.
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  1019. Actually the ban on corporate person hood is focused on the reversal of the supreme court ruling equating spending money with speech. It is not about the ownership aspects which no one is trying to counter. When you start talking about fleets of cars owned by 1000's of share holders you are missing what the goal is.
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  1020.  @davidwatermeyer5421  Bet those huge number of people match the number cured by placebo.
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  1021.  @TheMouseAvenger  Perhaps apply for a job at that fact free news site then ... they have no idea.
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  1022. I can't wait for you clowns to all leave and suck Russia even deeper into a black hole of ignorance. There should be some kind of way we can help pay to get you to go as it would really do wonders to raise the mean IQ of the population.
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  1023. @Chris Law Trump was removed by the voters. You give that hag nancy to much credit and power. She is a paid to lose nothing.
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  1024. Because their plans are unreasonable and tied to partisan demands that have nothing to do with the budget. They are putting a gun to the countires head and saying our way or the highway. In a regular hostage situation that never goes well for the hostage takers and this is no different. The vast majority know whose fault the shut down is and no amount of spin in the right wing bubble will change that fact.
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  1025. You are full of shit, and you sound like a republican and almost have to be to make fact free statements about unemployment levels under both leaders. One inherited a surplus that he blew the other inherited an economy they were comparing to the great depression.
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  1026. When powerful forces are clearly usurping your basic rights as a citizen, paranoia is validated as a understandable state of mind.
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  1027. Social security is totally solvent well into the lat 2020's and even then would only force a cut back of service of something like 15%. The whole push to cut back SS is a blatant attempt to steal our money they have been raiding for years. There are ways to ensure SS is funded in perpetuity and it would mean simply lifting the cap so that the richest among us do not stop paying after a certain amount of earnings the vast majority never hit. Misinformation on this is rampant and unapologetic.
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  1028. Revisionist history much, lol. This is coming from the same genius crowd that gives Romney credit for Bin Laden.
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  1029.  quadir1  Why would men not wear mask halfwit, are surgeons too girly for you?
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  1030. Let us mark the clowns who voted with the GOP and ensure they do not have aa job as leaders next primary. There is no reason any democrat should be anti decriminalization. They should not have a seat anywhere.
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  1031. Potential scam, there is no proof they do not plant trees and the fact is it is like many gag gifts. Space on the moon or naming of a star, you are not really getting anything but a certificate from these places. Anyone that thinks otherwise is pretty silly.
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  1032. We know, that is why we fight it
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  1033.  @deresistance  We took away the sovereignty of Iran, all of central america, we attempted coups in many others. Our imperialism is not a sovereign takeover in nature but of corporate empowerment. We do not wholly take over countries, we just insist their governments give our corporations total access to natural resources and markets at the threat of replacement. America supports 73% of the worlds dictatorships militarily or economically. The idea we value freedom or sovereignty as we prop up yes man corporate puppets and attack any government that is remotely hostile to foreign multinational control of their resources is hard to argue. Fact is we are pretty imperialist, or at least we have been.
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  1034. You were never remotely like me, I am a no more a slave than you are except if we are talking about ignorant talking points and then you are a much bigger slave than me.
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  1035. If that is what you learned, you were not paying attention and likely identify with the incels he cries about.
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  1036. Canadian care is more highly rated than American, that there are hospitals taht rich people want to go to does not mean we get the same care as them. We pay through the nose only to have to fight against the insurance companies to pay up when we need to cash in. Canadian care is just fine and no amount of insurance company talking points or weak ass poorly thought out ideas are going to convince them to dust their system and take your handy and near useless suggestion.
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  1037. Yes 95% of all actual experts on climate science are wrong and the the guys paid by the oil companies to refute them have all the credibility, got it. The ignorance on your side of this issue is astonishing and I have a hard time believing posts like yours are from a real person and not from some kind of spam bot owned by the coal industry. Your talking points are just flat out not supported by any facts.
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  1038. They want these people to crush down who they are out of compliance to to an empty, arbitrary standard. They can't stand anyone being their own person. They repress their own desires and nature to please a regressive peer group and want all to suffer along with them.
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  1039. There is nothing in this bill about "rationing" and to say otherwise is a fact free talking point for morons as is the death panel garbage. End of life care is a not what you imagine it is, unnecessarily tests happen every day in a for profit system, resources allocation is exactly what insurance companies have always done You have absolutely no clue what you are talking about and look stupid posting this trash. To even use the death panel argument shows you to be uniformed and duped.
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  1040. More blather from the anti education know nothing crowd.
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  1041. Sure but lasik and plastic surgery are elective procedures that people decide to buy as a product and are therefore under the competitive umbrella. Standard health care is not like that is and is effectively like selling oxygen to a man in an airless room, you can charge what you want as you have no choice but to buy it. Places with a cash pay as you go system exist out there, we call them 3rd world countries have a look at thier systems and come back and tell me they are great.
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  1042. That is a no brainer.
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  1043. Thanks so you admit he cut taxes, you are not as clueless as your rants would make you appear.
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  1044.  @singularitysquaredllc.895  Your claims to any kind of enlightenment or superiority are vapid and empty in this venue. Your simplistic stereotypical generalizations even more so. Every single social advance we have EVER made is due to the efforts of the left. The idea it is not a catalyst for change is litteraly counterfactual. As the right promotes stasis or regression the only advocates for change sit on the left Not choosing Jimmy's strategy does not mean anyone is sold out. My objection to his spin is not attached to his goals but the counter productive conclusion he makes because it is not shared by all.
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  1045. Liberal shit hole, you literally have zero clue what the fuck you are talking about. Ignorant clowns like you make every wight winger look like simpleminded trolls. Nice work!
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  1046. lol.
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  1047. O'Keefe is a bad terrible person, it is not a shock he is a shity leader too.
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  1048. Nailed it!
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  1049.  @edmeds1336  That you do not know what a Nazi is at this point makes me wonder if you live under a rock? Those who have no tolerance should not expect any
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  1050. 8 bit This is a bullshit talking point repeated over and over by trolls because they do not care if what they say is nonsense. There is literally no data you can point to that validates this unless you are pointing as very specific region in the US. White is is not scientific term and nothing in a DNA tests validates your "whiteness."
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  1051. No .. that is not what I understand it to mean at all. It is not government spending I applaud but the collection of fair taxes from those that can most afford it. They did just fine in the time before the bush tax cuts. When Bush made those cuts at least we were running a surplus. That is not the case now, so extra giving money to the richest and stacking those $ on the debt has to end. They did just fine in the Clinton years and there is no reason to think they wont now under the same rate.
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  1052. No the economy get better when people have money to spend. Investment only occurs or should only occur if there is demand to drive it. Giving people more money in their pockets increases demand which increases the pace of the economy, it is a pretty simple formula that trickle down people like you consistently ignore. Moving money from a place where it is static to a place is is in circulation locally most certainly helps and there is no way to refute that.
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  1053. If the republicans pass a clean bill like they should as it is their job this would end tomorrow. It is Boner who has a gun to the countries head and if he wanted to end this all he would have to do is put a clean bill to vote. Nothing more. As usual you have no facts.
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  1054. This is not a progressive issue. Before that last government killed our surplus, launched 2 wars, did a huge medicare give away to big pharma, cut taxes and then crashed the economy things were going just fine and we were digging our way out of debt. We do not have a spending problem we have a problem on what we are spending it on. That we once ran a surplus with more entitlements than we have today is very telling. This trade imbalance is not new and yet you make it out like we invented it.
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  1055. I have shown you no ignorance on my part, it was you who attached Iraq to 911 not me. None of the reasons cited justify us spending over a trillion dollars and 100's of thousands of lives. They lied us into that war and there were many voices who were saying so but they were shouted down by bush's war machine. The rest of the world was not with us in attacking as they all knew it was premature and that the WMD spin was a lie. There is zero good justification to support that failed war.
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  1056. There is a reason people like Rand draw a degree of support from progressives. We can agree with him on many things before he loses us on economic policy. The black democrats and gay marriage thing loses its edge when it is a fact that campaign was innately pushed and funded by conservatives. Every example you attach to progressives in this way is initiated as a conservative idea and it is disingenuous that you ignore this fundamental truth because some on my side of the fence agree with them.
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  1057.  @dragonore2009  The challenges for coops are not very challenging outside selling it to a public that has been trained to bow their head to the boss's as the expected norm. We have many business's world wide running this way. I suggest you look into it closer. It hard to do the subject justice in a post. It makes a great deal of sense as we value democracy in our governance but consistently accept dictatorship at work. Now some people would argue for dictatorships in government too, we both understand their argument is hard to win. You need to understand that coops have the same winning strengths.
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  1058. Got it, everyone who is not a libertarian is a cultist. And everyone who does not agree with your weak ass spin is lazy, noted. Here is a question. Keep in mind the vast majority of the the country are not remotely libertarians either, was your last post trying to assert that you guys do all the work? If you do think that, someone has been lying to you.
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  1059. As you support brutal policies like they have ins Russia you are part of the problem not that we would let you get away with that shit here anymore as it is not the 50''s. This is the evolution of society and we are much more free than we were even 50 years ago, Russia was on the same path and decided to take a giant step backward. Slavery was once popular, it never was right and this is the same thing, It should not matter what you or a dictator finds icky, it is anti freedom to put into law.
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  1060. No one on the left is upset about this except those who are perpetually upset about everything. This cost her nothing and may have gotten some money for a native woman's shelter.
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  1061. You have a problem when you associated with Nazi's, it is news that you like Nazi. Don't expect anyone to cover for you and you should just own it.
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  1062. I do know the difference but the truth is facts are not on your side. You count on a simply non existent conspiracy convince the public that climate change is being driven by our actions to defend a side who has undeniable bias and greatly profits by the inaction caused by the misinformation spread by people like you. Climatologists the world over agree because of consistent verifiable evidence gathered. It is no coincidence everything you appeal too is paid for by special interest dollars.
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  1063. No you do not, you say you believe in freedom but your actions do not agree. It was once culturally exceptable to beat your wife, to have slaves, burn witches or even eat human flesh and those days are thankfully behind us too. Some traditions need to be crushed as they step on the rights of the individual to placate bigotry and ignorance. This has everything to do with individual freedom and the only reason you say otherwise is to try to rationalize yourself that you support crushing it.
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  1064. Of course there is, you really should read your "good" book sometime. The fastest way to crate a new atheist is to have a Christan who knows how to read go through the bible cover to cover and highlight the things that are questionable at best. Being called evil by someone that get their morality from the god of bronze age Palestine is very funny joke. No one hides from you clowns anymore, the days of the inquisition are behind us.
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  1065.  @Tykostr  Only if they wear it as shameful to them on their sleeve.
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  1066. Aside from weak propaganda bought and paid for by the insurance companies every system that is rated better than ours has some form of universal health care.
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  1067. Your spin here is not true either. We know this because there are plenty of places with a much more realistic minimum wage and your concerns are not manifest there. A better minimum wage puts more money into the economy and that means many of the employers who hire these workers get more business. Your argument that minimum wage earners already make enough is plainly not true as their reliance on food stamps and other programs just to make ends meet clearly show.
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  1068. All three of them had strings attached that had no business or mandate to be there. They vetoed them because they were not just budgets but partisan attempts to take down a passed law they have no control of because they do not have the votes. You are clearly the brain dead one here and can not understand basic facts and are such a partisan wak job that you can not even understand basic logic. You are the sheep here, a shill for a branch of government to stupid to know they are taking the blame.
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  1069. They gave him NOTHING, the taxes expired and they did not have any choice on the matter. A balanced approach is what people outside the right wing bubble widely understand. Obama has capitulated on a number of crucial issues while never once getting any credit for it. We are still in a "mess" because for every gain in the public sector we have cut public jobs by the millions. Our gerrymandered congress does not remotely represent the American public by population.
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  1070. They are literally legal fictions used to shield owners from personal liability.
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  1071.  @Grim_Beard  They do not need person hood. Since they are a legal fiction we do not have to grant them speech rights and can hold principles directly responsible when maleficence is attached to the organization. When I buy something from Walmart I am buying it from the a legal fiction, they do not have to be people and the only reason we ever talked about them as people is because a legal clerk called them that back in the day and it stuck. Corporate personhood is a lie to make us all second class citizens compared to them because they can outspend and out lobby any actual person.
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  1072.  @solardragon9285  It was ok, I would wonder why she would demand a safe space when all Anna said were things I had already heard from other progressive outlets. I would expect her to want to engage with Anna and answer her concerns, that is what I would have done. Calling Anna a hack especially related this story just sounds like more troll spin or the result of a normal person buying troll spin.
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  1073. The 22% number is a obfuscation. These numbers are pretty easy to find. Google this "more-than-50-of-us-government-spending-goes-to-the-military". I personally do not think we should balance spending on cuts tot he military along although we would have no issue doing it. We spend 5 x more than china, and 10 x more than Russia. We spend as much as the entire world combined. That being said some cuts to the military and modest tax increases for the richest to pre 2000 levels see us with a surplus.
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  1074. Democratic voters like Bernie polices. Obama is popular but is not the rock star they imagine him as. I am not sure he has the pull the media imaging him having with normal people. He could not even get his last supreme court pick in .. the man is no pit bull.
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  1075. As you argue to take away peoples rights because you do not like them you do not get to claim to be for rights. You should admit you do not believe in individual rights and think the state should be able to pick choose who gets them. Every state outlaws criminals and that is essentially what a terrorist is so don't pretend in Russia it is different. You are misinformed about the second amendment but why am I surprised you appear to get everything wrong including your stance on gay adoption.
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  1076.  @AussieAmigan Jimmy is a loser who is blowing the very elements he pretends to oppose. He is an empty grifter of zero value and less character. A goof that says things you like for money. He sold out to appeal to your brand of identity blindness for dollars. The man is a bought and paid for useless, tool of stasis to be a stick in the mud that splits the left in an attempt to make it weaker.
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  1077. The argument that they can not afford it is simply not valid, if their margins are that tight they they they can not afford a to pay an indexed wage they should not be in business. If you have more workers than you need you are not running your businesses efficiently, a business runs to make money not provide employment. The fact is your spin is almost never the case and the increased demand of cause by higher wages may actually require these kinds of business's to hire more people.
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  1078. Except that is not true either is it? Mitch is wholly intransigent and hostile to everything someone on the left stands for, picking him over an ally you disagree with on tactics is a mask off moment betraying stupidity or dishonesty. You look simple or dishonest too as you try to defend this bald face fail!
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  1079. I just said the standard is not the same moron. Your assumptions about what I watch is the same as the rest of your ignorant spin, really weak.
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  1080. You are full of crap and your weak generalizations and misrepresentation of your opponents positions are the kind we come to expect from the right. US doctors consistently make more money than the rest of the doctors in first world health care systems and concerns about their remuneration as our costs skyrocket is valid. All doctors are subject to this criticism (including the obligatory mentioned abortion doctors) and it seems the right is all about scaling back pay unless the target is rich.
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  1081. There are greedy individuals in this equation but they are represented by your side of the argument. These are people who could not spend their holdings in 20 lifetimes yet you argue they should get even more while we continue to get less. It is a joke you even use the world greed while arguing what you do as it makes you appear not to understand the meaning of the word.
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  1082. No reason to sell them anyway ...
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  1083. He does not represent the typical view of most progressives. To ban porn represents a more of a right wing religious spin.
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  1084. It is the conservatives driving this process, including the moderate republican in democrats clothing who is the president.
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  1085. You have no clue what I stand for as profits mean nothing if we give so many tax cuts our deficit continues to grow. It is your fact free assertion that if the rates are what they were in the early 90's companies will go overseas. Companies hire for one reason alone and that is demand, handing the rich a bigger peace of the pie while cutting services we all rely on does nothing but hurt us all. The left does not demonize profit and it is simply a talking point misrepresenting us.
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  1086. He can not unilaterally declassify documents without going through the process. This guy is a dishonest or clueless moron.
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  1087. In the US we do not have "Fema" camps either. Political decent in Russia is ruthlessly crushed, opposition leaders arrested on trumped up charges and their holding seized. The quote about Obama biggest raise in taxes is a complete fabrication of a fact free right wing bubble. He is part of a corrupt system that is beholden to big money interested but the same is true of Putin with a dictatorial twist. Freedom for all must be defended or we will have it for no one, keep your backwards Russia.
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  1088. It is not. The idea of SS is to pay into it your whole life so that you can draw on it was you get older. It has been relabeled an entitlement from earned benefit in order to make it easier to cut. The ticking time bomb you imagine is not within the next 2 decades and can be completely solved with a couple of changes that would only affect the people who can easily and painlessly pay for it. The element who is trying to cut it has not need of it and that is very telling.
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  1089. He is a fucking year older than Trump and is in far better shape, this spin needs to be kicked in the teeth over and and over.
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  1090.  Ruth Amui  You are correct.
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  1091.  @Momo_8k  As a distraction from the fact the right wing leadership is entirely owned by whoever buys them or pumps partisan identity focused issues activing and fleasing them at the same time.
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  1092. Where were you, did you even listen to what Romney and the republicans openly want to do to "entitlements". Man you people are worse than low information voters who know they have no clue, you have no idea what you are talking about but think you are a some kind of genius.
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  1093. What has the GOP tried to do, please enlighten us? I know everything they have attempted. The fact is the right even hates their own ideas on cost control these days. A good example is the mandate that originally was from a infamous left wing think tank the heritage foundation. They have nothing but a desire to gut the systems that provide our seniors with and poor with care. That you think they have tried to do anything to solve this shows you to be completely misinformed or clueless.
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  1094. The science is already in and that you ignore it in favor of fossil fuel propaganda means nothing. You are wrong, wrong on the facts and just plain wrong about our how much the average temperature has gone up. I have 98% of all climate scientists behind me you have the ones who were paid by the groups who have a direct financial interest in not cleaning up our emissions. We have plenty of proof that there is an issue and that you do not understand that marks as ignorant of the facts.
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  1095. Are you surprised? They have NO arguments.
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  1096.  @montanamountainmen6104  Total lies, pretending paying less in taxes than what you pay to insurance companies is bad does not fly with who can do simple math. It would mean you like giving those blood suckers extra money for nothing while they drool to deny you care. You are losing this fight for are reason and that is because you defend cancer that kills and bankrupts Americans to make a handful of asshole rich
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  1097. Perhaps because we started tracking them and not hiding them behind this is your new sister/daughter. People have always had premarital sex and that you imagine they did not marks you as clueless. Where sex education is part of the curriculum there are LESS unwanted pregnancies not more as you seem to assert. That we have brought it into the light does not mean your method of sweeping under the carpet was valid. Burying your head in the sand has never been a good strategy.
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  1098.  @Jcaeser187 Being a cultist spitting old stupid talking points does not make you look clever. This is not 2019, we now actually know your pants shitting fear is a nonsense at this late date ... The people who are not face book trained immunologists and got the shot are doing fine too. Smart is clearly not your lane.
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  1099.  @HypnoticHollywood It is easy to destroy what he said. He is a hyper snowflake saying things that appeal to giant snowflakes. The clown says stupid things you like, he is triggered all the time.
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  1100. Your trust in that your sky daddy will protect the environment is not shared by the sane or people to that have eyes to see he has not done so in the past either. Your god arguments make you look like a lunatic, please keep up the good work as the more people like you share what you think the more reasonable flee your camp.
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  1101. Please know being called an "eejit" with nothing backing it at all up really hurts. The more you type I am coming to an agree with you about one thing though, you do appear to be a dummy but perhaps it is just some bizarre kind of act.
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  1102. If you prefer real intelligence and learning you and those like you keep that wisdom to yourself as everyone I see sharing your spin lives in an imagined world where their ideas will never work and will generally only cause harm. That you label yourself intelligent does not make it so.
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  1103. Bush destroyed the economy before handing over the keys. Check your facts there is only one president who has run a surplus in the last 30 years and it certainly was not a republican. Bush's numbers would have been much worse if he had actually included the wars in the budget instead kicking them down the road. A giant% of the debt is entirely Bushes from the medicare drug giveaway, two wars and a massive tax cut the primarily benefited the richest. You do some research and then we will talk.
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  1104. In the modern era woman can fire a drone strike as effectually as any man ... not that anyone should have to do that. This loser larps that he wants to protect woman but really he just wants to choose what they can and can't do above them. No one cares what he wants and no one is asking him so he might as well go ahead check out. We do not need him at all.
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  1105. You barely help the poor in this country and the help of self righteous evangelists like you always comes at a price. That you personally are not against birth control is irrelevant to the fact that many in your camp are. You are the people who are anti sex education ensuring ignorance of options and that unplanned children result. You drive it into the shadows and force the exact situation that makes the morning after pill necessary. There is a reason red states have more unplanned pregnancies.
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  1106. People, you do not need to be view of this page to understand that when an unarmed teen going back from the store dies at the vigilante, it is bad form to cheer about it.
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  1107. Every thing should be shut down, if your hero's the republicans are going to force millions to go without pay and crush vitals services they should all be cut until the issue is solved. All presidents should "sue states" that pass bigoted laws. That is the role of our leader to protect all citizens from racist zealots.
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  1108. Hilarious stuff.
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  1109. troll
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  1110. Nothing about your last post makes sense or is validated by what is in the bill. You have been lied to.
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  1111. Hey look everyone another halfwit who does not know what a commie is. It invalidates the rest of your nonsensical garbage you barf onto the screen. That you think Sanders has anything in common with hillary shows just how clueless you are as he has none of her innate and terrible weakness's.
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  1112. I have not been watching these clowns at MSNBC for a while, this is puts that in stone. A great many people and everyone who is principled stands with you.
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  1113. Durrr .. man she sounds so dopey.
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  1114.  @austinpearce5442  should say it all
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  1115. Like Bernie you mean ...
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  1116. Zomgtforly Every time I see someone like ThE DuCK babble about Hillary being popular it is hard to for me to reconcile how they ignore she lost against a total loser like Donald. I am convinced anyone who makes posts like DuCKs are not real people as her spin is so deluded it feels like a manufactured character. In any case her garbage analysis does not resonate with real voters and the establishment is losing ground.
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  1117. So they found nothing? We already think Hunter is a nepotism baby, that is not shocking to anyone. Nor is it unique as the former president included his family in his Cabinet. Hunter is just another in a long list of entitled children, the GOP does the same thing all the time.
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  1118. The solution is 100% on the backs of the dem leadership, as it stands they are not up to the task
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  1119. Make them protest? Pfffff ....
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  1120.  @KingJT80  On economics and war they have a terrifying number of similarities. Now Biden is better in every way but that is damning with faint praise as Trump was really just that bad.
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  1121. No need for him to run as a third party candidate, the nomination is his for the taking if he wants it.
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  1122. The is no reason to cut hours yet for any company that needs the work done. The laws that they are trying to dodge HAVE NOT COME INTO EFFECT YET. If hours are being cut it is because demand is down in their business and for no other reasons as it does not matter how many hours they work for now. Your spin is weak and does not stand the light of reason, give your head a shake and get better talking points.
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  1123. It should not be a unilateral pronouncement by a small group of government officials who makes the call with no recourse to the accused. If we are going to be killing Americans for these crimes there should be at least some judicial overview on that process to ensure it is not abused. As it stands the definition put forth as justifcation is so broad that it can include anyone and that is not acceptable to a just society.
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  1124. I asked him and by all accounts you had it coming :)
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  1125. Fail .. anyone that thinks Andrew is a good choice as leader should never talk about anyone else being a tool. Judging by your post you have not seen the sunlight through your own bubble in a long time. No one in power is advocating for socialism or communism, this stupid spin is an ignorant straw man you clowns need to use to attack polices that are actually popular with everyone not dim enough to buy your dishonest nonsense. The NDP are not "socialist" you make yourself look deeply ignorant even as you assert they are. No one in power in the US or Canada is in favor of the Soviet system and when you have to straw man those you oppose to attack them you have no arguments. And you really don't.
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  1126. Talk about ignorance, the tax cuts were NEVER RESIGNED and I have no idea who told you there were. The tax cuts were set to expire and the dems attempted to only extend the ones affecting the middle class but the republicans wanted to keep them in place for very richest and would not budge on the issue. The compromise was to extend the whole thing that you do not know that yet call people who do ignorant makes you look like you have no clue.
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  1127. When donald Trump is a blessed by your version of god, you have a bad case of brain worms.
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  1128. Look you are simply not correct in the characterization of what is known as a progressive today has any place inside a white supremacy group who are fundamentally conservative in nature. Progressives today fight for individual liberty and social justice. To deny any rights for consenting adults is no where on our radar even if elements inside our ranks would step outside that structure and defend social conservative ideas like banning porn.
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  1129. This nonsense about gay people making other kids gay was rejected outside deeply bigoted circles a long time ago. These repressive monsters only care about their own feelings, even if it crushes and kills others. They are hateful ignorant tyrants.
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  1130. You did not say anything in that post, especially nothing that could be considered specific. Read it again yourself, then post adding some actual content.
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  1131. That is the implication, every country is doing a head fake to give the leftists in the US power. It is a grand conspiracy that makes no sense..
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  1132. It cost her nothing.
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  1133. If he got in a fight as a teen it will not go toward this case or should not. If we had to compare the records of the two men and only one has had any trouble with the cops. If I was TM's lawyer I would be happy to compare these two and let a jury decide. Remember OJ got off his murder charge too but got destroyed in civil court, it will be the same here.
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  1134. These are the dumbest people ever elected to office, these clowns are too slow to be dog catchers and should have no power.
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  1135. No it does not. There is a single factor driving hiring practices, demand nothing else. Setting our tax policy to reward those that hire people here and penalize those who don't is a good step to mitigate the outsourcing concern. People want to be in our market because it is a great market to have access to it is not unreasonable we ask them to contribute to it in the form of fair taxes that were never a burden in the late 90's. Our bought and paid for leaders do not work for us but them.
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  1136. I have no idea why this talking point resonates so strongly with a specific mindset. What do you imagine this fictional government would look like and what advantages would it offer you the citizen? I could see how it would benefit the multinationals or the robber barons but I do not see how it would benefit you. To get rid of a government that works for the people and administers on their behalf is to open us to tyranny of the rich and powerful like every place with the system you advocate.
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  1137. Employer mandate does not kick in for a year, so why are these people being laid off? You are full of shit, I have no idea how you do not see through these transparent talking points. They make you look weak minded and gullible.
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  1138. That is pretty stupid spin ... I have seen no one that shares it.
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  1139. On request as he is takeing no endorsements from out side his district
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  1140. I did not say anything about my preference. Your blather about liberalism is irrelevant and does not apply to this conversation. I reject your standards are are they are arbitrary and there is no truth in what you believe outside the value you apply to it. You hold everyone including your children to a standard that no one can live up to and even you only pay lip service to. Your kind buries their head in the sand and ignores reality in favor of an imaginary world to the detriment of all.
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  1141. Because they have no substantive criticisms and this is their very best try.
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  1142. Objectively good? Do try to explain that mess of a statement.
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  1143. He does not address him, he roasts him that you can not see that marks as even more clueless than your name suggests.
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  1144. Ya, forget about all the psychotic stuff being blurted by this fat waste of skin that is this pastor. Dominic left, lol. Awesome!
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  1145. At Cenks own request. He can stand against these lies alone and will turn them to his advantage by shining a spot light on the overt corruption that drives them.
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  1146. In the 50's segregation was legal, blacks and whites could not marry, taxes for the top bracket were at 90% and so on and so on. You have to have your head up your ass to believe the 50's were remotely more free. That the US is becoming a police state is echoed 100 fold by the dictatorship you are claiming to be "freer". Russia has ever single issue that the US does in this regard except we are not run by a defacto dictator who is courting nationalist psychos and outright bigots for support.
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  1147. I think those were laugh tracks ...
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  1148.  @tweaker1bms  Nonesese, most sitcoms were 90% meh, 10% funny and even then, belly laughs were very rare.
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  1149. She even looks like a female Ben, that is a dark for her.
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  1150. That is not changing any time soon if the Canadian public has any say in it and they do. Even the "most extreme" right wing leader in Canada does not dare run on "get rid of health care" or they can expect to never be elected.
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  1151. My claims are definitive but are the simplest extrapolation of the idea that even less government support for health care (which it seems you argue for) would only serve the rich and no one else. You still have not defined what a "free market" system is to you or how it would work, there is no example of it anywhere so basic extrapolation based on the closest model is the what I base my argument on. I have no choice being you have consistently failed to define the terms of what you want.
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  1152. It is nothing but an electronic entity that has the rights of "free speech" according to our supreme court. As long as they have the rights of people arguing they should not pay taxes like people is a fail.
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  1153. It is interesting they are tying to restore their image though.
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  1154. So, how do you claim he raised taxes yet then admit he lowered them. I am not ignorning anything and the "tax hikes" as you label them in the health care bill apply to dead beats who make over a set amount but still do not have insurance relying on the state to cover them at the emergency room. It is nice you defend those people but I will take the savings, the better coverage from insurers and increased number of people covered over the needs of parasites thanks.
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  1155. When you say the left being more racist is "established" you mean by a bunch of clueless overt bigots say it all the time ... only in a the bubble of the ultra stupid and consistently racist is what you say true as the right still own the racists and do not even pretend otherwise. The idea gender identity is linked to mental illness is old and debunked spin that has nothing to do with what modern science or mental health professionals stand for. It deeply fringe conservative spin that you should care at all how another adult identifies. The idea we should censuring these people because of who they are ever more less popular position in places that value freedom. Your views are very similar to the paragons of virtue like Saudi Arabia who hate western values as you point out, you fundamentalist clowns are not and never have been remotely "scientific". What is not compatible with the west is any fundamentalist strain of thought be it christian or Islamic. Thankfully secularism pulls the teeth of both of these failed sets of ideas by promoting freedom for people to choose to ignore it. It is proven when given a choice over time less and less people buy into the dangerous fundamentalist strains of these faiths and we are protected from their policy by a separation of church an state which prevents them from writing of shitty laws that banning trans people like they have in the middle east. In the end we have far less to fear from fundamentalist Islam than we do fundamentalist Christians as the Islamist's have no power and although neutered by our constitution the Christians brand of cancer does.
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  1156.  @micksc1  Not here, they have no power and kill far fewer people than run of the mill "dont' tread on me" right wingers. The dangerous assholes exist in a bunch of oil rich directorships supported by us and other much more powerful nations. These extremists are most dangerous to other Muslims who they most consistently target for Islamic violence. It is an issue but far less threat to you as an atheist than our brand of religious conservatives who actually have power and openly push for a "christian sharia" state here from leadership positions. You have taken up a religious trope on the transgender issue and agree with the most radical Islamist/christian religtard and not science at all. You are defending nothing but their backward restrictive bullshit with your spin and you need stop pretending you care about these people as you stand with monsters that do not give a fuck about them or how they feel. They never have.
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  1157.  @micksc1  Islam like Christianity gets ever more moderate under secularism. No fundamentalist faith is compatible with western values and all of them universally loathe the basic principles of secularism innately. When free to most people chose ever more moderate versions of their faith. American Muslims for example support gay marriage at higher rates than evangelical Christians do. I too am an atheist and agree with Islam on nothing (including the trans issue). But I understand that if I am to value secularism I have to trust it do to the same thing the the Muslims as it has done to Christianity making it ever more moderate and more compatible with western values. For the rest the 30% who freely choose to be "fundamentalist" stripping them of the power to write religious law mitigates their worst desires here and anywhere secularism is enacted as their number shrink year to year. I do not see the idea we will lose to these bronze age know nothings as well thought out. If Christians who are far more powerful politically can not win and are losing ground not gaining it what chance do fundamentalist Muslims have of taking over? The trope to be afraid of Muslims is a fundamentalist christian argument that pre supposes an expectation we will lose to their backward ideology. They have a good reason to feel that way, we as atheists do not.
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  1158.  @micksc1 According to any kind of professional evaluation the process of getting as sex change is not considered a mental illness. The process of transitioning from one sex to another is a medical procedure that has safe guards built into it to make sure the patient understands the ramifications of the change. They dress and live as their chosen sex for a measured period of time before any surgery is done and psychological evaluations are part of the process. The only ones calling it a mental illness are bigots who never valued these people from the start and trope is transparent cover for their own problems in that they want to marginalize them. No one on your side of the debate should pretend to care about the quality of life for any trans person as you don't. You appear to be concern trolling as you talk about caring about these people "mutilating themselves". You should be able to take great comfort now that you know there is deep concern for patient's psychology and state of mind as they seek this change. It is mitigated by mandatory counseling for everyone that goes through it, Imaginary problem solved. I think it should be established no one should be taking your medical advice on these issues. That you have a strong opinion on if these people should even be able to transition at all is very odd to me. You really do have the exact same arguments fund's have switched to because saying god hates something is now a dead argument in a country where no one has to follow his stupid rules.
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  1159.  @micksc1  We really do know what the results of the social experiment will look like. We know what happens to large immigrant communities over time when inserted into a homogeneous society. We have hundreds of years of experience with it in NA. it is undeniable that Islam is better under secularism just like Christianity is. My spin on trans or even gay peoples rights is always in regard to adults. I do not know what the process is with hormone blockers for children or what the policy is so I do not have much of an opinion on that other than would urge caution even without knowing. It has been a good chat and I appreciate you taking the time to listen to my spin as it appears we share a great deal. I would caution you to look at who your allies are on any given issue, there is some danger of you stepping on your own toes. Cheers
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  1160.  Nigel Henry  You are super inept if you think a vote that will not pass tells you anything the cosponsor list does not.
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  1161. ?
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  1162.  @robjones555  Everyone has a right to an opinion. You do not have a right to that view being free from repercussions. You never ever were. I would censor no one. But then I am not censoring anyone and never have. Media companies are the ones to censor, generally to protect profit or thier brand image. They have never needed my permission before and are never going to ask me for it. I will not cry if the censors target overt assholes for a change and not just powerless minorities and those who would cost the elite a dime. They have always been the gate keepers and have always censored. Pretty sure you can not point to a time they did not.
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  1163. We do not have to bow down to big oil to do the things you are talking about. I am proud to live in this nation too but I do not want to fund the largest most profitable corporations (the oil companies) in history with my tax dollars. I am not a shill for big oil and use it even as a acknowledge they have a strangle hold on our energy use empowered by corrupt leaders they have bought. Check what the definition of shill is, then look in the mirror.
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  1164. Why would they have a stockpile that was not for states. The federal stockpile is meant to go to states.
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  1165. He soaks in a bath of evil each night, it is energizing but has a downside.
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  1166.  @Slayqueenatron  Would not be surprised, the dude did not know p@ssys get wet.
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  1167. She made him looks stupid to the sane, that is not a very hard task though. The right wing already hated her and this cost her nothing.
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  1168. You may call allowing poor people to die or go bankrupt work incentives but it only speaks to how completely morally bankrupt your views are and what your priority clearly is. You do not argue for prosperity but wage slavery to a rich over class. No society you can point to went from a liberal democracy into communism and the only places that have ever chose that direction were because the mass of the population was so poor and crushed they chose communism over what they had.
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  1169.  @KristiLEvans1  Still, forget about the UN. use your own eyes. The DNC is putting thier finger on the scale in a much more direct way than Russia ever could by manipulation of social media. if one was concerned about 'russian meddling' you should be horrified by our media's complicity with the naked gaming of the results by officials of the party.
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  1170. Trump lied so much that it is easier to find clips of him being dishonest than being honest.
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  1171. Obama has done nothing of the kind. If any party are the captains of the brutal trend it is the Republicans. They do not even hardly pretend to work for anyone else these days. That being said the democrats are just as bad and in some ways worse as they try to pretend to be populist while selling out their voters ideals 8 times out of 10. That our leaders are bought is one thing the left and right of this country completely agree on, it is only the general media who pretends it is not an issue.
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  1172. Your argument is not only unclear but nonexistent. You name call and assert we do not think for ourselves while contradicting nothing with anything resembling an argument. Accusing someone of not thinking for themselves is nothing but an ignorant assertion and means nothing if you do not back it up with why. Talk all you want the more you guys say what you think the more people abandon support for your fact free candidates. Only in your conservative bubble does your spin get praise.
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  1173.  @BB-ed4om  Mine matches the non political scientific consensus from several studies including that of the main manufacturer. Yours is from fringe group of hyper partisan political lunatics, grifters and liars that say things you like. You are the one parroting a group think party line, it is what cultists always do.
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  1174. No you said 1%, t is there in black and white If you want to talk about the top 10% the stats do not do your argument any justice either. The top 10% may pay 50% of all taxes but possess 80% of all wealth, these numbers so they do not pay their fair share at all. If they had 80% of the wealth it stands to reason they should pay 80% of the taxes but they have rigged the system to pay 50% by your own skewed numbers. If they paid even what they did before the bush tax cuts it would go a long way.
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  1175. You post talking point after talking point that has been refuted or out right proven to be false. The fine is for dead beats who would mooch off the system while being able to afford health care coverage themselves. It was the core component of a right wing health care plan that was put in place of a progressive one. The mandate is a heritage foundation idea, no wonder it is the most distasteful part of the bill.
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  1176. Take your pick, that he is a secret Muslim, that he is a member of the Islamic brotherhood, that he faked his birth certificate, that he a communist/fascist, Hitler like lizard person. The list is endless and in spite of the many good reasons to attack Obama almost none of them are shared by right wing talking points as they silently agree in his most objectionable actions.
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  1177. No valid argument unless your whole plan is to create more income disparity.
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  1178. All anti choice democrats need to be replaced.
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  1179. He is pure hateful, cultist, corporate shill monster ...
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  1180. The sneering unfounded condensation which is just an open undeclared assertion of ignorance is an overdone combination by this particularly insular clown.
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  1181. Where do you get that list of top 10 ten reports, as I have never seen it before. Our media is corporately controlled and not remotely liberal. The consistently call things down the middle and in support of corporate interests over truth. It is a right wing lie that our media is liberal as it might have been once back in the 60's. For ever liberal "reporter" I can list 10 corporatists who work for the establishment and are not remotely liberal.
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  1182. Elements of the movement believe this but only elements. It is an innately anti progressive stance and is fundamentally more akin to conservative values. Progressives believe in individual liberty and democrats are not necessarily progressive. All of these social controls attempts have their root and primary support inside conservative circles and any attempt to curtail the rights of other adults based on your personal beliefs is not not progressive in any way.
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  1183. Incorrect, they are all feelings all the time. They do not value facts as facts step on his narrative. There is no convincing a ghoul like Prager as he starts from his position and works backwards from there. There are no arguments that convince a goof like this unless you are willing to pay him to say something like his owners do.
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  1184. We are in compete agreement.
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  1185. It is exercise, it does not have to be a religious practice.
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  1186. If any what you share was remotely correct other countries would be paying more for health care than we do, we pay the most. The fact is it is our problem is the for profit health care system and the useless insurance companies who make money as a useless bureaucracy that regularly decides life and death and gets between us and our doctors. For profit insurance is the problem and is the sole reason our heath care costs are the most expensive while offering us a system that is ranked 37th.
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  1187. Good, leave already.
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  1188. I am not an anarchist and everyone in my camp recognizes the need for order but that does not mean the support of your ignorance based bigotry. Nice army of straw men you built to attack what I never said. Your entire spin is bullshit as it is well understood out side your particularly bizarre bubble that one can value individual rights for consenting adults and not be for "nuking & wiping out the human race" When you say idiocy and point your other four fingers are pointing at you.
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  1189. Preguer who lies for a living somehow does not belive in lying. Anyone that tells you they do not lie is lying to you. When someone says trust me I never do.
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  1190. They pay nothing if we were to compare how their income is taxed compared to a citizen who works for a living, not to mention the corporate welfare they collect while making record profit on our backs. Spare me the tears for the oil giants. You are a shill and your ideas would do nothing but bankrupt our societies to enrich a handful of corporate giants. Thank goodness all of developed world does not share your sellout views.
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  1191. Because when you say it "enables" them it overlooks the fact it is the difference between us having the huge shanty towns that exist throughout the third world and not having them. It is the difference between a 1st world child morality rate and not. This does not mean the system can not be improved but the second you start giving credence to the canard it encourages unwanted behavior it opens lends support to those who would dismantle the whole thing to save money at the cost of life.
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  1192. Coming from a member of the fact free right wing your accusations of not thinking for yourself is laughable.
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  1193. Sure,just before the founding of the EPA there was a river that literally caught fire in Ohio. So disposal of toxic waste, unsafe storage of hazardous waste, unnecessarily dangerous working conditions are all things we can fully expect in a deregulated market. We do not have to look very hard to see examples of this both domestically and abroad in times or regions with little or no regulation. People like the Koch's stand to make billions (more) at the cost of our water, air and very lives.
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  1194. A doctor who diagnoses himself has an idiot for patient.
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  1195. They will not be in charge of it. There will be rules that level the playing field and take big money out as the driving interest of our political system. It would open the opportunity for our leaders to run on the issues affecting their constituency instead of who will be funding their campaign.
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  1196. I agree he is more "robotic" than I would like but at least he has a constituency that does not have a clear focus on destroying the government with an open claim to hate it. Obama is not everything he could have been but Gov Romney literally has nothing to offer but failed polices that hurt the majority to give a super rich minority more. There is no comparison between them.
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  1197. And you can have our bigots, we will take the creative and courageous individuals who stand up for themselves and you can take our uber religious and completely ignorant cowardly ones .. now that is a trade worth making.
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  1198. Few people want to hang around a selfish, self important, marginalizing asshole.
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  1199.  @joemoore4813  Pretending I am lost in a bubble is pure projection. There is nothing you know that I do not on this subject. .
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  1200.  @joemoore4813  Does not do anything, it is an anti worm drug and DOES NOTHING FOR A VIRUS! Take your cheap drugs, get your info from liars that sell it. Stop going to the hospitals when you get sick. You NPC's have it all figured out. Corruption is rampant in our systems, the establishment parties owned by corporations rob you daily. That being said no one is trying to sell you poison or randomly dump expensive drugs on you. Even here in the states the vaccine is free, fucking free! Why take horse deworming drugs?
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  1201.  @joemoore4813  Get it prescribed then, do not buy it from veterinarians. I have no issue with you taking drugs YOUR doctor proscribes. When you take them based on what you read in a blog you are a moron. The vaccine is not a treatment for the virus. There are number treatments some of which are gene therapies. Trump and Destantis famously were and are on some of the gene therapy cocktails after testing positive. These drugs are given to the best and brightest, they work. Doctors are ever more effective in bringing down number of deaths because of them since the start when they were not available. Calling anything gene therapy does not mean anything the way you use it nor should it automatically scare anyone. "The recent 1,200 patient trial that hasn't been published or peer reviewed?" If they published it would be destroyed, it is mocked because they are afraid to publish it. That is the only acceptable standard for reviewing a potential treatment. If it can not pass that test it should not be used in that context. Holding the position that this vaccine does not have enough testing while at the same time promoting a drug meant to deworm horses that does not have a published study as proof it works against covid is some bizzare cognitive dissonance. India is a covid cess pit which will spawn new deadly variants because it is basically out of control. We have nothing to learn from them except how to bury bodies five deep instead of in just in a row beside each other.
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  1202.  @joemoore4813  Nothing peer reviewed and that is telling. The CDC has made it clear it is not to be taken in this context. Does not matter how many times it was used, context matters. If use is a measure then hundreds of millions of doses of the vaccines should count for something too. Not to mention the CDC does recommend you taking one and not the other. The experiment talking point died this week, it is far more validated than anything you push.
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  1203.  @joemoore4813  Good luck with the worms. I have had multiple shots my whole life, they never touched my freedoms. You people spit on freedom when it comes to stores telling you to wear a mask to enter. My freedoms are just fine.
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  1204.  @joemoore4813  The initial vaccine is what you take. Very few have got boosters. Pretending it is experimental at this stage is not honest. You do not carry the virus with this vaccine. That is not the way this vaccine works. Additionally it is not wearing off, the variant is end running some of the protection it offers even as it does a better job than nothing. Saying that children do not need the vaccine exposes your mandate to avoid as many people as possible getting it and that is not how a vaccine works best. I call you inhuman as you write off these people easily to avoid taking a simple shot that has been authorized by every heath agency on the planet.
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  1205.  @joemoore4813  Pfizer is no longer emergency use. Catch up. Booster shots are common to many vaccines. Not sure what point you think you are making.
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  1206. We have never worked harder or been more productive yet our wages have been flat for 30 years while the top 1% have grown in wealth by 30%. The government is involved in marriage as it is a legal contract and has tax and legal status implications, they have to be involved. People voting to ensure their rights is as natural as breathing and it is what a democracy is about. I see you do not like democracy, you should move to a dictator state and not seek to make us one.
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  1207. Except to praise him when he kicked Alcada ass a couple years back.
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  1208. lol, Is literally what I was thinking ...
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  1209. You can not show that any of these cuts are directly tied to health care. The mandate for companies does not even kick in for a year. That you want to tie these things together has no link with reality. Nice try. .
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  1210. They are paid to lose and corporate democrats are complicit with their worst failures. As long as our leaders are for sale both parties will be deeply problematic. In the mean time the dems are still better.
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  1211. No one hates you, you are just wrong and are going to cost us many lives down the road if we let those like you hold us back. You will be like the clowns who demanded the earth was flat or that bad air caused disease. People like you are simpletons that are eventually and consistently bypassed by history. It is OK you and those like you are losing this debate as facts will trump ignorant spin every time no matter how skillfully your corporate masters craft it for you.
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  1212. Canadian citizens are not getting much either, this is a push by the oil lobby period. That oil is not getting less valuable to any of us and there is no rush to get it out unless you are simply trying to pad next quarters profit
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  1213. Brent Showers That is a very well reasoned and thought out analysis.
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  1214. I have no issue with rules that protect others from your choices. When you make a choice that primarily affects you I have no issue letting you do it. Smoking is not one of those choices and you are aloud to smoke, you are not allowed to do it in a public setting where it can harm others. As far as paying taxes or regulating guns or being part of society that protects our weakest, to you use your own restaurant analogy you are free to leave this country as no one is forcing you to stay.
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  1215. Hope it took care of his parasitic infection, did not help him with Covid.
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  1216.  @changingworld7467  Ivermectin is anti parasitic, not anti viral. This is a drug they trot out for every single new virus and has been rejected each time because they hope to sell more of it. There have been studies that indicated there are marginally fewer hospitalizations in people over 50 that use it. People under 50 actually go to hospital at higher rates than the placebo groups, balancing it out. If you are a big study guy there is no reason why would not look a the studies on how the vaccine is far more effective at the same tasks you set for a drug made to treat worm infestations in your bowels.
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  1217.  @memyselfandi2506  The fact is the drug is also used for horse deworming, at volumes significantly higher than for humans before the face book trained clinicians started a run on it. At one point vets were finding it hard to get. So much for people taking the "human" version. It is made for human use but the fact it is regularly used to deworm horses too should be a red flag. It is odd you seem to reflexively applaud any authority you decided to like and spit on all others over your feelings and not the data. The same side complaining about spin when you point out ivermectin is a horse deworming drug, calls the vaccine poison and deadly. It is really hard to buy the critique that saying it is drug regularly taken by horses is misrepresentation from people wih your spin. Those who overtly misrepresent the assertions of medical experts and long held public health standards as a matter of identity. The difference between the horse pill and the human version of this drug is in dose and scale of the drug's packaging. It is the same drug either way.
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  1218.  @memyselfandi2506  The idea it should not be used under any circumstance is nonsense, the claim was never that the drug was useless. The link with horses was meant to show it is used to treat parasites. It treats parasitic infections very effectively, I never saw anyone asserting otherwise. Including in this show. It undeniably commonly used as a horse dewormer in addition to any other medical uses it has. What is embarrassing is you are pretending it is not used in deworming horses. Your complaining about things I never said to build fields of straw men to rage at and knock down is something to blush over. I am not sure how one debunks this horse deworming claim. I guess you can assert it is not commonly available in feed stores as a supply for vets and farms. You would be wrong, but I see that as your only option.
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  1219.  @memyselfandi2506  IT IS A HORSE DEWORMER! It is other things too, but pretending it is not used to deworm horses (formerly the main use in the US) is idiotic.
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  1220.  @memyselfandi2506  I have no idea you are so bizzarly triggered by this. Morons were taking a dewormig medicine for a virus. Pointing out it is used to deworm horses too in this context is apt. No matter how much you cry about it the drug is a anti parisitic that in the us (before adopted by morons as a anti viral) was primarily taken by livestock. . Rogan was an irresponsible halfwit for recommending ivermectin as an anti covid drug. He deserved to be mocked relentlessly for pretending he was any kind of medical expert. He is not and never was. Get his dick out of your mouth, it makes you mumble.
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  1221.  @dracolusus  I have, you are the one ignoring the science over your feelings. I have no strong feelings on any medicine, you really do. They trot out ivermectin for EVERY viral out break only to the exact same conclusion. For a person who fears one medicine, you certainly simp for others. You promote questionable studies while you ignore the actual consensus like a cultist. It is a really identity blinded way to evaluate medicine. This has nothing to do with MSM. I have no dog in the fight as to which medicine anyone uses for anything. I am sharing the actual medical consensus about what specific drugs are used for. It is you who is spitting chosen media spin that appeals to your feelings, not me. This garbage of yours is dopy, Especially at this stage of the story. These debates are not happening anywhere except with you Facebook trained doctors and immunologists.
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  1222. I understand where you are coming from, it is not something I can do everyday either.
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  1223. For a long long time it has been so.
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  1224. They do not pay anyone what they are worth but only what they can get away with. We have child labor laws and a minimum wage because greedy employers would pay next to nothing if they could get away with it. Your argument that stocking selves or cleaning dishes does not deserve more money is sickening being our minimum wage is not even indexed to inflation. According to your weak spin these jobs are in effect worth less than they were 10 years ago and that is flat out bullshit.
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  1225.  @clintholmes2061  Your criticism is as empty as your critiques on intelligence, being bright is not exactly in your wheel house given your meatless spin or the hypocritical allusion you dislike semantic nonsense yourself.
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  1226. Your assertions that people on medicare consistently have trouble finding providers is as bogus as the rest of your spin. Medicare serves 43 million people in our country and does it much cheaper than comparable private for profit insurance for a market that is arguably the most expensive to service. The problem with our system is not the government the but outside forces who are manipulating it for their own profit at the expense of peoples lives and life savings. What system would you propose?
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  1227. He became 70 billion richer. He can afford to pay some tax on it. I see no reason why not including what you said.
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  1228.  @wildzubatappeared  No one ends up poor here, he pays a percentage of the massive quantity of wealth he gained made to taxes. He could not have made it without us and owes money back. This hurts literally no one. He will be just fine with 30 billion in gains over 70. Your concern is bizarre and unfounded. This has nothing to do with me I have good health care and support, this is about the 10's of millions who do not through no fault of their own.
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  1229.  @wildzubatappeared  I want the same thing, I do not see taxing extreme wealth as harming anyone. If we chose to we could use the tax money to invest in proper education so that anyone would have the connections and opportunity to join the billionaires club instead of mostly being born into it like today.
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  1230.  @wildzubatappeared  we already have weath redistribution. It is being distributed from the middle class and the poor to the ultra rich. For the last 40 years they have overtly bought our leaders and robbed working people blind. Trumps tax cut funneled 80% of it into the hands of the richest in a time of record income inequality. It is time to balance that back.
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  1231.  @wildzubatappeared  This has nothing to do with the problem or the solution.
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  1232.  @wildzubatappeared  Me too, still not the issue and is not a solution to the problem at hand
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  1233. I never said they should not get paid, I am not sure where you get what my plan is from what I have said. Doctors are shying away from the field because of out of control malpractice suits in our that plague our system. In any case it is hard to feel sorry for them and no one considers their job one to avoid if you can first qualify and then manage to pay for the schooling . I say pay them the same way other counties do who get much better results than we are getting.
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  1234. Happens all the time.
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  1235. Anti freedom chunks of shit support this .. if you value individual freedom at all what Russia is doing is sickening but then anyone who supports Russia in its current state does not value freedom anyway do they.
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  1236. @Defund The Tone Police He tacitly does. He does because he spits on the only active oppotion that can curb its power for now by calling them sellouts over a matter of a disagreement on tactics. He pulls people who crave medicare for all and other progressive ideas away from the movment actually fighting for them by validating justified anger at the process and misdirecting it. They are demonitzing him because they are demonitizing all the fringe lately. Other places on both the right and the left have had the same thing happen and I see it is likely attached to a push instigated by the Jan 6 event. This is the same kind of thing that happened on ad pocalipsse and this is not about what he supports but an attempto to silence the voice of alternate media to hand it back to the big players. Jimmy is a loser for losers, he says things you like but that is the extent of his value to anyone. Pretend everyone who disagree's with him is an establishment boutique shill. it is empty bullshit because there is plenty to dislike and very little value.
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  1237. Do not think they have that power anymore. Biden will fall apart as soon as he is forced from hiding.
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  1238. She could not do that job because of her choices, she can not do it because of how she feels. She is the only one that should deal with any limitations of her "morality".
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  1239. @Badatallthis Stuff Was talking about the dork gish galloper you probably like.
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  1240.  @Mr.Ditkovich. Both are written to promote the faith and neither are any more divinely inspired than the other. That the bible has rapey daugthers does not make it more sound, the the Koran does not makes it no more valid. That sex is a heinous sin in either of these faiths speaks to the fact they are based in time woman where were property and their virginity simply increased sale value.
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  1241. Good man? Trump? You losers define that term way way differently than I do.
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  1242.  @gmh471  At the very least it is nepotism and favoritism, it is the tool that has empowered the elite for countless generations. Pretending it is not an issue and only based on merit is silly. Seeking corporate donations to your campaign is corruption. The fact our leaders are able to create foundations that take in tens of millions from the elite whose polices they champion should be called corruption even if the law turns a blind eye to it.
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  1243. Why work hard at a job where you can not live on the wage at all? You argument that they should start by paying almost nothing and slowly string you along and give you a little more at a time so that you approach what you should be making from the start is REALLY WEAK. Most of us would be willing to pay a few cents more if it meant that our social programs that have to subsidize these wages so that people can live would be spared. You have been sold a bill of goods, min wage does no harm.
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  1244. The only reason you believe woman should have the right to vote is because we dragged people like you kicking and screaming into the 21st century. Woman's rights is an issue conservatives have consistently fought and it is despite you not because of you things are changing and woman are stating to be treated as equals. We should be pushing for the promotion of people based on merit alone and the fact woman had zero access to these jobs in the past is because of misogyny and not capability.
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  1245. Ian I wish I could give you more plus ones for crushing these halfwits.
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  1246. Is what he confessed to not a crime?
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  1247. They are mad at congress because they are do nothing body who is the prime contributor to our slow recovery. The republican congress got .5 million votes less than dem yet managed to hold onto 233 seats due to gerrymandered of districts. America knows they are the problem and grants them the popularity they "earn" every day. Obama has capitulated to republican demands again and again at the cost of the support of his base while getting NOTHING back, he is not the problem and America knows it.
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  1248. It will not, the demand is such that there is no incentive to lower prices when the oil companies collude to keep them artificially high. Multiple successive years of astronomical record profits is a testament to their focus on profits not a concern about high energy costs..
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  1249. You keep asserting that they can not afford it when the fact is it is simply not true. Companies like walmart are the largest users of minimum wage employes in the country have consistently reported excellent profits. But the fact is they make money even where the min wage is not so low and continue to be in business there. Your argument on their behalf are touching but we would all be be served if their workers were paid better so we did not have to publicly subsidize them with food stamps.
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  1250. Brion Stronghold Says a guy with a picture of a movie Nazi from a concentration camp as his avatar. Precious irony.
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  1251.  @waterandafter  There are potential advantages as they faith themselves out of the gene pool. It is the less fact free people they infect in the mean time which is the issue.
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  1252. Even implying what I am supporting is remotely like "soviet Russia" is ridiculous and disingenuously categorizes my stance using a very weak straw man. Europe is in trouble because of bad practices that originated here and it is our focus on "free market" banking deregulation that hurt them too. Let me say this one more time clearly for you. Of the first world countries we have most "free market" health care system and is also the MOST EXPENSIVE. Your spin is not validated by reality or facts
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  1253. Roar with laughter from the crowd ... when she talks. Look around confused that no one else is laughing ...
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  1254. The donors creating the monsters they vote for
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  1255. Such nonsense, these clowns are perpetual victims by choice. In this case they are literally opting into victimhood because they fancy themselves virologists from the university of face book feed.
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  1256. I dislike Obama too but none of the reasons you cite. We all know who the real road blocks to recovery after bush crashed the economy are and congress's popularity rating says it all. Obama has capitulated on the right wing agenda time and again spitting on his base. Even as he gives ground his effort to address issues is consistently rewarded by a single minded resistance of the right at the federal and state level to see him fail. He is disappointing, but you blame him for the wrong things.
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  1257. So you mean you used no logic whatsoever then, got it. Guess I should not have been surprised.
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  1258. The people helped are still Americans even if they live in your backward state.
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  1259. "The demands of the American people" are not represented by your 25% opinion. The day for the people to vote on this issue will come next election cycle, the republicans were insane to think they would not take most of the blame for the shutdown.
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  1260. That does not mean it is a key to our success. I would argue that the truth of what you are saying is what is dragging us down. It has caused the econmic pain felt by the vast majority while a tiny minority has reaped all the gains over the last 30 some years. For every buisness "saved" by these shaningans there is another that is lost. The result of these transactions is we as a socienty of have lost while a few at the very top continue to prosper in a way they never have.
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  1261. Except they are now gaming to the system so no one is moving up but themselves. As workers we are the most productive we have ever been but none of the massive profits are flowing back to the workers that make them possible. Hard work is not longer respected here, only a fat bank account is. Your blather about handouts might be more effective if I did not know we have one of the weakest social safety nets in the developed world. The rich correctly take heat because they are buying our leaders.
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  1262.  @SistaCitizen  We know the establishment dems are terrible. I am still not sure why you think 8 justice dems could have done about it. They could not block votes, they could abstain or vote to get what they did get. You are doing nothing but shitting on the only people that oppose the cancer you speak of. You do know Joe is in the senate right? The justice dems you expect to have an imaginary veto are not.
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  1263. We agree, I want these clowns saying exactly what they think all the time followed by critics that tear them apart. Free speech is most effective when the battle field is not tilted in such a way the establishment can use spin to control the narrative and stifle an exchange of ideas. The fact is the right has little to stand on and give a right winger enough time to talk in context of being asked good questions they will always end up spitting deeply unpopular ideas few actually want.
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  1264. Duuur
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  1265. Troll!
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  1266. Says the cry baby, endless tears right! You clowns can't stop belly aching and playing the refs. Why is every useless attack you losers make more aptly applied to yourself?
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  1267. "we all know the 1% doesn't do that" why do you even think that. We all know there are two standards in the legal system. A brief glace at how celebrity are handed by law enforcement and the courts says it all. He did stab the cabbie that is not in question, what do you think would happen to you if you did that?
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  1268. All have to go, there is no place in the party for these losers.
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  1269. The republicans are literally letting it fall apart for partisan gain, I have no idea why you can not see this.
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  1270. You are correct, Those in paper thin glass houses should avoid throwing rocks
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  1271. Please,conservatives like you have been on the wrong side of every issue when it comes to peoples rights. You fought against the right of woman to vote. You fought against the Civil rights movement, and interracial marriage and now gay rights. You do not hold us together you have always held us back.
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  1272. They can't stop crying and complaining about everything, they move through life with tear wet socks.
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  1273. No. Hillary did that to herself. That the dnc cheated and were exposed is on them not the Russians. The fact is he came so close broke all expectations, he litterlay beoke the system. Trying to sell the idea he lost badly is deeply tone deaf as he came within percentage points of winning and if the same primary was run today he would destroy Clinton who coasted on name recognition, platitudes and cheating. This narritive yous is at best uninformed but is likely a weak dishonest attempt at rewriting history. Blaming Bernie for Hillary being such a weak candidate that she lost to Trump is idiocy of the highest order. Go ahead and keep trying, we see you for exactly what you are disgusting lying shill. Hillary is done forever you sickening toll. When Bernie runs next time no amount of cheating by the donor loving sacks of shit you worship will be able to stop him. The beginning of the end of the bullshit cronyism you and yours love is in a death spiral because of a reveloution Bernie started. Go sell you loser candidates to Goldman Sachs execs, they are the most receptive. You are lucky Bernie is the gentlemen he is. I would gave eviscerated Hillary as a cheater, a sell out and an undemocratic autocrat every day. Bernie being a better man took a high road the likes of Hillary has never seen. Much respect sir
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  1274. ThE DuCk Fuck you condescending sack of dishonest shit. I know how they work and in this case the dnc decided hillary won before one vote was cast. They cheated and were exposed as cheaters. The entire democratic machine and the media were entirely focused on handing the crown to their chosen sellout. You are either deeply ignorant or entirely dishonest as you pretend this is not the truth. They did not force anyone, that is not even the contention. They cheated by denying coverage, kicking off voters, manipulating polling stations and lying about what he stood for, they put their finger on the scales in undemocratic way and were exposed to the countries benefit. The only fake popularity is that of your favorite neo-con shill. Bernie is the still the most popular leader in the county by a mile and crushes the base loser you supported. Bernie is progressive and pretending the Russians want him over a trump or hillary is pretty stupid. The fact is hillary has deep ties to Russia too so the spin that Bernie's popularity is fake and generated by Russians is empty and silly on the face. You are about to find that out how popular he is , the shills you support are STILL exposed/unliked and establishment donor loving wing of the party has no candidate that has a snowballs chance against Bernie this time. It seems you do not know what misogynist means as you call me that and it makes you look simple to throw a word around that does not apply. At least you assholes are consistent, I will give you that.
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  1275. oio oio He was a gift to voters who are tired of our leaders working for someone other than them. He ran as a democrat because in our system the only way to have a chance of winning is to be in one of the parties. He attempted to wrest control from powers that do not value the voters and instead work for donors alone. That he almost did it is entirely amazing and that he came so close would not have been predicted by anyone when he started. What he did was talk policy when all hillary did was throw out garbage slogans "stronger together", "break down the barriers" while promising no change at all. She never gave a reason to vote for her and instead campaigned on voting against trump. That was her failure and she ran terrible campaign and owns the horrible defeat entirely. He gave a real choice to us for the first time in decades. He opened the door to a new brand of politician who is not focused on getting donors but instead fights to get the votes of real Americans, They are now bringing people who had entirely given up on voting as useless back into the system and these are the people who will be driving the needed change. He has started a wave that is not going away and will end in us breaking our leaders focusing on getting cash from corporations and starting to work for us again.
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  1276. oio oio Because no one can win as in independent and if he did run as one he would actually split the liberal vote a thing you just pretended to be concerned about. He can win as democrat, in fact I do not think any establishment democrat can beat him as it stands this cycle. His obscurity was their main weapon and it is gone. When he runs he will completely crush trump or whoever is in office when the election happens. Over 80% of the hillary vote would go to him and he would pick up massive support in new voters, independents and even former gop voters who would never vote for an establishment dem. Corporate sellout ideas are not popular, they are easy to beat and the democratic establishment are not good at winning elections, They need to quit playing to lose and get out of the way and let non corrupted candidates run who understand that giving voters something to vote for instead of just against is a winning strategy.
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  1277. Matt is a moron, his arguments are empty and missing context and covers for inhumanity of slavery. The fact is spinning slavery as doing anyone a favor is apologetics for overt cancerous behavior.
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  1278. He thinks we fought the Nazi's twice, hard to take his lessons from history seriously.
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  1279. That you do not value these workers does not make them any less important to the employers the need them. Your argument that we should keep money out of the hands of the poor and middle class and put into the hands of people obsessively like you because do not do so would be bad for everyone does not hold water. I have said it before I will say it again there are plenty of places that have a higher wage that are not suffering the issues you imagine will afflict us if we had a reasonable one.
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  1280. The fact free clowns like you are the real problem. Our system is wholly corrupt yet you support the most corrupt and purchased elements of it. The obamadrones are deluded but at least they support a party that works for the majority once in a while, the republicans are so bought and paid for they do nothing that does not directly aid their contributors or the 1%. On divisive, It appears you missed the 8 years of bush where over half the country hated him for lied us in to wars and ran up debt.
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  1281. Not true I believe in an ordered society, just one where bigotry against minorities simply because they are different is not tolerated. Conservatives believe freedom means the freedom to step on anyone they do not like and it is simply repulsive and backward. That one group makes you feel icky does not justify your demonization of it. No one cares what you backward clowns think about gay people as long as you do not try to push your regressive polices into law so they effect everyone else.
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  1282.  @d_dave7200  when he is crying about repressive losers not getting laid that should be considered odd.
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  1283. guarddog22 Telling a story your mom related to you does not make you a fool or a liar unless you think her mom never told it or she had reason to randomly reject what her mom said.
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  1284. guarddog22 If your first instinct is to yell liar at your mother as she relates a family story then Christmas must be a joy at your house.
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  1285. You are delusional,
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  1286. I have seen a lot of people less tenacious than either of us appear to be just blast him a couple times and then give up. Arguing with this guy is like the fight against the Black Knight in Monty pythons and the holy grail. It does not matter how many limbs he looses in the fight he will still declare victory.
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  1287. I loath the system with the same fervor you do but it is the raw corruption that is the root issue. You can demand we vote for a 3rd party candidate who if by some miracle got in would be dropped into the same sewage pit our existing leaders live in. There is a path to achieving success and it paved on the truth that the many leaders themselves hate the system they are forced to pander to just to hold office. There are other movements doing the same thing, this is the only path forward.
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  1288. The democrats have been useless this pandemic because the have rubber stamped gop giveaways to billionaires. The gop loves socialism as evidenced by their votes, but only for their owners the rich.
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  1289. That is because they are only pro forced birth, they do not care about lives.
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  1290. Athoritrain tendencies and fundmetnalist religon go hand in hand.
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  1291. Your spin on the Canadian system is strait of out an insurance companies propaganda pamphlet. Of the 28 million Canadians it is estimated 14% do not have doctors and most of those people have not even looked. You do not need one to get care though as there is emergency care, walk in clinics and open GP's. The walk in clinics take you at a first come first serve basis and are open to anyone. Your spin about the lack of care in Canada is worse than pathetic and it is clear you have no clue.
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  1292. It does not change the fact these are the same guys who caused the problem in the first place and you may imagine we should let them walk scott free as there seems to be no justice coming but I do not agree. That does not mean we should not call our corrupt leaders to account but to let the architects of the problem skate does not strike me as valid or the right thing to do.
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  1293. No they have to pay some taxes, because if they don't the rest of the society has to do it for them. It is all about personal responsibility, it was a GOP idea from the 90's. That you call paying into a system that supports us all a threat of death does not make it so. There is no viable country on the planet uses the same terms as you do and there never will be a one that does. Just like your counter parts on the ultra left of pure communism your views do not survive contact with reality.
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  1294. Look out you are buried in straw men!
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  1295. Not the job of one branch of government to decide this. They should do their job.
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  1296. Malarkey .. and your propaganda is no longer up.
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  1297. Ridicoulus, you have just shown your self to be completely ingorant of what is the bill. BTW, Prove that as it is not true, the obamacare handle is a fox talking point that their lackeys in the GOP and is a partisan attempt at slurring the bill with right leaning voters.
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  1298. Let me phrase this in way that does not allow you to mince words. Scientific consensus is that global warming is being driven by CO2 emissions driven by man. Could it be something else, yes. Are there other ideas, yes. Do they have the evidence to refute the general consensus, nothing of note. Evidence is what should drive this process and the "Consensus" is built on very sound unrefuted evidence, that is a fact. That addressing the issue will be expensive means nothing to the truth of it.
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  1299. They won't. So get ready. The key issue is they are both owed by the same assholes. The DNC is the Washington generals to the gops Harlem globe trotters of corruption. They are payed to put on a good game but not to win but to make the other team look good to their fans.
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  1300. Hey reread that .. seems you missed a not. Shakes his head sadly.
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  1301. Bad media choices have blinded them and buried their normal ability to evaluate options under a mound of identity nonsense.
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  1302. They all represent people either federally or at the state level and there is no difference in their "level" of representation. When you condense something you lose the advantages of economy of scale being large offers. You also loose uniformity as each region duplicates efforts and creates their own legislation a wasteful practice. Our problem is the not the "size" of government but that our leaders are bought and paid for. Without controls that will occur no matter how "big" it is.
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  1303. Calm down it is a single bit pointing out what a mess the GOP is, I see no downside.
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  1304.  @marca9955  Shrug, they are entertainment too. The cons are all culture war all the time and they seem to do fine. Why do you think that is? Why is it only useless and counter productive to get votes when progressive's do it?
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  1305.  @IMGreg..  I would, the fact you would be permanently on toll roads bugs me.
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  1306. The problem with relying on your plan is after a disaster the state may have no resources to draw on. This is why a PROPERLY funded national system is a much better option as long as our leaders are working for the country and not some partisan poorly thought out idea of Independence.
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  1307. Yes less free, this new law is just the latest example all stretching out the fact that they have a dictator in all but name running them. None of this speaks highly of them going the "right way" Just because you are a bigot and agree does not mean these clowns are going anywhere by backward and these policies is just another example of how little they or you value individual freedom.
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  1308. It may not heal the wounds, the fact is it will not pick at them daily for the rest of the woman's life every time they look at their child.
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  1309. There is no notable difference between the parties but there is a big difference between the base of each. Rallying democrats to vote for democrats by progressives forces the candidates to acknowledge their power and pushes them in the correct direction. There is a difference, one can be pushed in the correct direction the other is happy to run at 30% popularity.
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  1310. I do not care what the religious do as long as they keep their nose out of law. But why would anyone associate with an asshole who called your relationship immoral. If you were married to a black woman and a clown sitting across from you said your relationship was immoral because of his religious beliefs and he could not support it would that be OK with you? Would you just overlook it? The religious are free to buy any nonsense they want to but if they beat you over the head with their bullshit you are a loser when you just take it. Why associate with assholes like that? Bakers who can not make a wedding cake because of religious objections should not open a bakery for the same reason a Mennonite should not apply to be a bus driver. Their deeply held beliefs conflict with doing the job and his right to not serve anyone is trumped by a demand our proprietors serve all Americans because of legacy of them not doing so. The right of free and equal commerce is above your right to limit anyone's access because of your own bias. If you can not do the job find one you can.
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  1311. Dan F  They are not the same, in the Muslims case It is the content that is the objection. The reason why the Muslim baker refuses in this case is irrelevant as they have ever right to refuse the commission based on content they do not want to produce and would not produce for anyone. Many non Muslim business might choose to do the same for non religious reasons and it is, was and will be legal. No one contests that all bakers have the right to creative control of their product. The choice not to make a wedding cake that the christian baker would make for anyone else is not an exercise of the creative option and instead is a simple denial of service based on who the client is. That is the key and critical distinction. Equating creative licence and a refusal to do the service based on the identity of the customer is a failed empty argument.
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  1312. Dan F  Their motivations amount to a distinction without a difference and it is largely irrelevant how they justify their spin as it applies to the law and their right to limit the access of others to goods and services based on their chosen ideology. It does not matter why they choose not to make the cakes it amounts to denial of service based on the identity of the customer and there is no reason to support their personally chosen limitations and limit access to goods and services for all on their behalf. I contend if you can not make wedding cakes for all make them for no one. If you make a product understand that you have to sell it to everyone and if you can't like the Mennonite who never applies to drive a bus you should not get a business licence.
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  1313. Dan F  They can force you to sell and do so for reasons that promote commerce and equal access to goods and services because you agree to upon taking out a businessmen licence. It was decided long ago limitations on the ability of business to pick and choose their customers was needed creating the existing policy. Those who open a business sign a business licence in which they agree to serve the general public. I would argue that the Christians should not enter into this agreement because of their closely held beliefs in much the same way there are few Mennonite electricians or programmers. In either case someones rights are being stepped on I am of the mind that making sure all Americans have equal access is more important than defending anyone's bigotry no matter how they justify it. If anyone should pay the price of these peoples faith and faith based choices it should be the individuals themselves and no one else. There was a time this kind of pick and choose your customers was both legal and common. It was not corrected by the free market but by this very policy and I see no reason to go backwards as it clearly works. If we can not talk about these topics in a rational manner we will never get our points across and it was pleasant talking with you too.
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  1314. Dan F  You are incorrect, they have the right to refuse business within a specific set of limitations as set out by the civil rights act. The bakers were fined based on the fact they broke their business licence agreement, the same rule set that ensured whites only diners were no longer legal. These laws and the failed arguments against them have been around for a long time and the debate has only resurfaced lately with gay people because they could not get married before and would not be able to if these Christians had their way. Would you defend a baker that refused to serve an interracial or black couple because of his faith? To do so is the same argument and means defending the policies of Jim Crow and I can not support that.
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  1315. Dan F  Take it up with the Civil rights act, the laws extending it to gay people are as valid as those that stop bigots from opening whites only restaurants. It is not the hate cake that is the issue here but the principle. If they can deny service to gay people other more critical business have the same option. It would not take many hospitals or contracted emergency services to see deaths caused by this. It was once common in the south to have a blacks only restaurant and it took laws like this to promote a country where that idea in this day and age feels foreign to us. It does not mean that the principle needs to be upheld and if we let arbitrary reasons like an elective feeling about gay people limit access to a cake it opens the door to making some Americans second class citizens not by choice but because of who they are.
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  1316. Dan F  That is a distinction without a difference and if they are against gay people or not is irrelevant because they are in fact being denying an offered service because the customer is gay. Allowing anyone to deny services on this basis has other implied denial rights. Bakers could extended this policy to include interracial couples or couples of another race or religion they do not want to serve. It is then a slippery slope from saying it is OK to deny service because you are against supporting their marriage to not selling to gay people at all because of their "lifestyle" not because they are gay. I personally would argue that the baker in your example should not be able to deny that KKK member a cake and by my standard shared earlier they would not be able to. That aside, in this case denying them would be legal because being a bigot is not a protected class covered by the legislation. I do see your point of view and you have made your perspective very clear. But from mine I still see the lessor of two evils as forcing all proprietors who have a business to serve the entire public. It is clear to me what will happen if we do not and a business owner always has a choice of simply not selling a given product that may effect their sensibilities at all.
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  1317. I hope they learn from his mistakes and avoid them.
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  1318. When you say he is worse, how does someone like you measure that? By every standard he is better, he is not 1/2 as good as he could be if he did not bend over and take it from the re thugs but compared to bush, he is a step up by every measure and I don't even really like him. I look at raw numbers, policy and raw numbers and I do not see what you do. Please enlighten us, how could GB possibly be considered "better" justified using the things we call facts?
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  1319. That you have concerns is no reason to put the breaks on, There are a great many people working on this as we speak. I already know how the elements you are concerned about react to your third parties, they completely crush them. Discussion of the issues you bring up is more than valid but they are not enough to keep us from attacking this problem head on even if we do not know every answer before we start. We can only deal with the specific challenges one at time as they present themselves.
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  1320. And would be unsustainable and far more expensive to use than the cost of paying taxes to specific entities (like shipping) as to make it untenable. Collectively paying for them enables business and trade that would not exist otherwise. This increases how much money everyone makes and transportation infrastructure is an investment that pays off in every country that makes it.
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  1321. It is going to china anyway .. that is the plan.
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  1322. It is not demonizing wealth it is asking those who can afford it to step up and suppoirt the system that contributes to their success. There are lots of places in the world that do not charge you taxes but most of them are 3rd world hell holes. That people like you want to race to the bottom and be like them is all well and good but I suggest you go live there for a bit before you make that call. The top 1% own 40% of everything ant that means they do not even pay their share at 1/3.
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  1323. Stupid and angry ...
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  1324.  @Jonslying  You spit nonsense and pretend to be learned. You are a terrified TFG dupe and if you are who you say you are it makes it worse not better. One could be forgiven for being mislead on a subject that you are not familiar with. When you are duped on your home ground it makes you look simple.
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  1325. Your anecdote does not ring true but even if absolutely correct the protection of wetland is still a valid task. There is an appeal process for the land owner but your story frankly sounds far fetched at best but does not invalidate the need for controls. In the 1600s, more than 220 million acres of wetlands existed in what is now the lower 48 states. By the 1980s, more than half of those wetland acres had been destroyed. Controlling the draining of these lands is to all our advantage.
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  1326. If they are not racists than they have always been the ones who openly supported racist policies until the tide of history turned and then many got onside. It is the nature of conservatives to favor stasis and the status quo, any change beneficial or not is looked at with suspicion or outright contempt and this is why they have been consistently on the wrong side of social issues. I was talking about woman voting not sure what you are on about, your views on sexuality should not restrict others.
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  1327. Does that mean Obama gets another 6 after the GOP openly said they were going to obstruct anything he did?
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  1328. Where on the planet is this "free market" system in play that we could model your imaginary solution on? Your solution is so vague it appears you have put as much as no thought into it at all. As far as medicare being non viable there are plenty of solutions to fix it and simply removing the cap on contributions would solve the problem completely. Just shouting free market is not a solution as the free market does one thing, make money. It can not provide health care to anyone but the rich.
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  1329. Listen to him cry, these weirdos are fine with name calling all day long. Thier is no reason not to give little Donnie his own medicine. We cheerfully drink your salty tears Mike.
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  1330. Family is important but that it is between a man and woman is not, that the couple cares for their family is the only relevant criteria to judge them on. The LGBT community is not indoctrinating anyone, they are claiming their rights as citizens of a free society to choose who they love, bigots be damned. Children do not become gay because society says it is exceptable, they are gay or not. I am strait it is not a choice the exact same applies to someone who is gay. Bigotry deserves no respect.
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  1331. She had death rays as she was dealing with pathetic questions from known partisan hacks. She said it like it was and correctly put the clown in his place.
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  1332.  @coopsnz1  The data does not back up your fact free bullshit. The middle class in Australia pays far less for medical than we do. Health care makes up 7% of your gdp ... ours is 17.8% .. even morons like you can do that math.
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  1333. You have no clue what you are talking about and are spiting talking points like they are gospel. What we have a society that is demonizing the middle class and poor to enrich those at the top. We are getting poorer as they get richer while people like you sing the praises of their policy. Our problem with spending is attached to the military and corporate welfare and no one ever see people like you pointing that fact out. Well over half our budget goes to things you never say anything about.
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  1334. See I don't buy that putting tax levels to Clinton levels will "kill off the rich" they did just fine with much much higher rates in the past. Taxing the rich properly is not a cure all but revenue is one part of the solution. Cutting spending is very necessary as well but to talk about doing that while cutting revenue is not a going to help anything. The money we lose thru collecting taxes offsets the cuts and we gain nothing.
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  1335. They have always cried that some did not agree with narrow need to control others.
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  1336. It all can be tested, that you do not understand this shows you to be patently ignorant.
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  1337.  @Praha175  Not true. Pretending physical attraction and appreciation is not a thing is silly. There is beauty in the human form, an artist that appreciates that is not necessarily objectifying his subject. They may be some art that does, but from what he said it appears his perspective comes from a place of respecting beauty, hard to paint that the way you do. Is an artist that see's beauty in anything "objectifying" it? I would argue even if they were, it is the nature of art to share a perspective and that has value in itself. I see the same thing as Larry does, that does not mean I objectify woman. I simply appreciate and like how they look.
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  1338. More useless blather from the fact free fringe right wing bubble.
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  1339. Have a worker board presence would do that.
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  1340. Jacqueline Goodspeed Your are full of shit, there is no arrogance in demanding your friends are not murdered before your eyes. There is nothing lunatic about demanding better laws to keep guns out of the hands of psychos. Douche nozzles like you are a our past, good riddance.
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  1341. It should not be shocking those yelling loudest about Nazi free speech are now about suppression.
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  1342. The best schools certainly are the "rich kid schools" the fact that there are several schools that virtually guarantee you access into ivy league schools bears this out. To teach all children a common level of mixed subjects allowing them to specialize later in their training makes perfect sense. It means we have a commonality of education across the system allowing us move into higher education with the same skills. This has value if you want to draw the best specialists from the largest pool.
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  1343. Again you live in the fact free cult not me. You believe in a system that has never been proven in the real world with a religious fervor yet accuses me to the exact same thing you believe in. My system is proven, yours has only existed in your fevered imagination. That you assert we can take from others without limit says have no clue what I think. Libertarianism is a pipe dream that has the exact same problem as pure communism, it does not survive contact with the real world.
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  1344. How Dave can stil look at his dead eyes with out barfing after saying something so stupid is an amazing skill for a grifter.
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  1345. It is you who do not look at the facts. Nothing you have posted has been shared anywhere but in the fact free right wing bubble and are all propaganda not linked to a single fact. You are a liar or a shill, I do not care which as it still means you are full of shit. I have forgotten more about these subjects than you will ever know you simpleton. Keep talking you show just how ignorant you clowns are with every post and do the world a service in letting it know you have nothing.
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  1346. Ya big talk internet tough guy halfwit who does not know how to spell. Only a weak ass moron would threaten someones mom and they would deserve the justified beating they would get for doing so in real life .
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  1347. You do support murder, every time someone poor dies because they can not afford health care in the system you imagine their blood will be on your hands. This is not a real problem of course as ignorant polices that you support will never see the light of day in a modern country as they are unworkable, unfeasible and are far worse than what we already have. Now run along you little cultist, do not not have some other people to bother with your inane and useless drivel?
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  1348. The only posts marked as spam in our conversation are yours and rightfully so. As usual you never respond to actual criticism or requests for clarification but attempt to misdirect the conversation. It is funny to see you telling someone else to learn to read as it is pretty clear your grasp of the subject is really weak.
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  1349. Small pox is also solid. These clowns pretend this is new tech. The fact is to this date you need your vaccinations to go to school, I do not expect that to change going forward.
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  1350. The fact is raising does put more money into circulation and there are plenty of constituencies the world over with a much higher minimum wage with economies healthier than ours. The argument we should lower the minimum wage holds no weight outside a the lobby group paid by the Walton family.
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  1351. Of course they are all straw men, and with out any merit. Those are quote i see people who are frothing right wingers say all the time. None of it is valid but they are regularly shared on forums just like this. You can call me pointing it out a straw man but it does not make your spin correct. I am sucking at nothing just pointing out the absurdity of the claims against Obama when there are valid things to attack him for.
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  1352. How about we don't and call you bigots for being bigots.
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  1353. I do not see the EPA as harmful at all. That is a meme pushed by the likes of the Koch brothers and the fracking people. You do know we subsidized oil exploration since the industry took off. That effort is a prime reason for why it became the cheap fuel source it is today. Protecting wet lands is something we should be doing by all accounts, if you don;'t want a swamp on your land don't buy a swamp. So no, cutting the epa by 50% will serve no one but the multi nationals and the status quo.
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  1354. They are crying about it and it is not even being mandated anywhere .... they just love to cry!
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  1355. They live in bizarro world where every word means opposite what it does here.
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  1356. His ideal is the toxic fail that generically pushes any woman with self respect away from men
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  1357. American doctors make fundamentally more than other first world nation doctors. This is because of the nature of our system which is driven by for profit insurance which has zero concern for costs as they just pass them on to the consumer.
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  1358. That is because bowing and scraping to authority and fear based church ladies is not very funny
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  1359. Of course it is a right, equal treatment under the law is a right. They get tax breaks to encourage people to have children and as a recognition that raising the next generation of Americans is expensive and should be supported. I see it as fair. No, there is no reason to oppose it no matter what 1968 stat you dug up. As long as any special privilege is applied against marriage it should be up to the feds to regulate it. This is about equal rights of everyone and that will always be federal.
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  1360. Not necessarily, the market is driven not by what things are worth but what the market will bear. In the case of health care there is lots of room to charge people if their very life is on the line. Health care is not improved by the profit motive anywhere on the planet and I do not understand why you imagine it is. We have great examples of strong health care systems and no examples of yours. That you expect doctors to make one sixth what they make now will do nothing but ruin care.
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  1361. Base 5, lol! That is the key I have been missing in the Donald won arguments. Now it all finally makes sense!
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  1362. Tell me something I made up or stop using the same phrase you uses everywhere. Nothing I am talking about was reviewed or relevant in the trial. The nature of the criminal case brought about by the anemic and bumbling prosecution precluded precluded the arguments I am making. You can not invalidate anything I am saying with your "transcripts". Your assumptions about me are as weak as your arguments and I not could care less what your opinion of me is.
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  1363. That does not explain the record low levels of support that congress under control of the Republicans now enjoy. You can blame Nancy all you want but her congress was not so despised. There is nothing the president can do or say outside joining them completely that will bring any of these yahoos onside. You can not work with people who are completely intransigent and that is what the GOP current is. Never in the history of our union has a party elected by a minority held us hostage so totally.
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  1364. Raise the cap and the problem is solved. Why should we budge on this issue we sure as hell can not count on the right to move from their wholly destructive position. Doing more of what they want will solve nothing and does not further our goals as progressives.
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  1365. You are why everyone hates ignorant shills for overt totalitarianism.
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  1366. Shrug it is better than our rivers catching on fire so some guy can drain a swamp on his land. You would see us "liberty" ourselves into ecological failure to enrich self serving clowns like the Koch's at the expense of our air water. You are the kind of shills who work against your own interests and instead of improving where our system fails your all or nothing simplistic spin would just throw it away. As you spit billionaires talking point you attack systems that protect you and yours.
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  1367. Shrug, that you have friends here that do not like what I post means absolutely nothing. It does not validate you and it does not invalidate me. I do not care what achu says, I do not see a chorus of people (or even one) pitching in support for him. You have no idea who flagged my posts as spam if anyone has (as I see none of them flagged) and to assert that progressives did it is fact free. No one but you has replied and if any progressives disagree I am happy to address them.
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  1368.  @yoboi267  No matter how you feel about it the idea is not what anyone in power is pushing. No one with any pull is calling for a stateless society or the means of production being out of private hands. The brand of "socialism" advocated for widely in the US is democratic socialism which is a brand of capitalism. It is typified by strong controls on business setting standards and the making public services better incentiveized by removing the profit motive. Fire fighting, Police and health care are examples.
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  1369. They are a tiny minority and will have real problems when they figure out Walmart armourment is not an effective to counter drone stikes and armoured vehicals.
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  1370. Please know I was speaking to you and you alone. I thought they had a pretty good education system in Canada, I guess there will be some that never learn the basics of reading comprehension.
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  1371. Call in then ..
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  1372. What control do you have if you can not afford it? This "control of care" argument is worse than weak as it is only a euphemism for you are on your own, too bad. This works great if you have a slush fund of a 6 or 7 hundred thousand in the back to pay for cancer treatment if you need it but for the vast majority it means they are fucked either financially or physically. In your system unless you are mega rich you are screwed, going it alone will always be more expensive than working in a group.
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  1373. There are no limits to health care in the is bill, insurance company life time caps have actually been removed. There is no resource allocation in this system either and you are scared of a boogie man that does not exist. He was talking about a system that is not ours. Nice use of dishonest quote mining though, it is exactly what I expect of people like you,
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  1374. More bullshit from the fact free right wing fringe. Lies are bread and butter for you clowns and none of the bullshit you spew is bought by anyone who is not already looking to be a bigot. Idiots like you are the real clear and present danger to society as your simple minded views spreads among the stupid like the plague.
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  1375. Yelling you are a "proud tea partier here!!!" is exactly the same as screaming "I am ignorant and say stupid things with conviction". You are so bundled up with hate it is hard to imagine you using the world to describe anyone else.
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  1376. When pretend you are not bald by wearing ski hat inside no one thinks you are hard buddy.
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  1377. Of course, these monsters have yo do something to distract thoer voters from thier terrible record on everything else.
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  1378. I blame bush because he is to blame. Clinton did not have to work with a psycotic tea party congress and senate whose openly stated goal was to see Obama fail. They have systematically blocked every single initiative that the president tried to make and the senate breaks records every day as they filibuster virtually everything. The difference between now and the past is there is a completely intransigent element in our government who even fight their own ideas ideas if Obama adopts them.
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  1379. Time to start calling those arguments what they have always been.
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  1380. I have not stated anything of the kind. I have said that the GOP is doing nothing on health care now and even hate their own ideas are useless according to their backward spin. You still have not answered the question, what have they attempted to do? Now my plan would be the single payer the rest of the developed world uses. You do not have a plan it seems but instead repeat mindless catch phrases that have zero substance. Now answer the simple questions put to you or hurt your position more.
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  1381. Raised in a pit kind of denied attention ...
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  1382. Selling weapons to crimials who intend to harm others is inately immoaral and should be a crimianl act in itself. We have people in Gitmo for aiding and abeding terrorists and that your hero commited the same crime does not say good things about you. That you think making profit by selling weapons to murders is good is something I am happy to take to the court of public opionon where you will be torn apart.
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  1383. All he has, the same tolls who have always hated tyt because they are fringe right wingers.
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  1384.  @Nedly79  Does not make much sense they use the same right wing talking points as the tolls that have always haunted the comment section then.
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  1385.  @Atmost11  I am fine giving them credit too. I know the CEO does not often have much to do with the success of any given company. This individual for all his clear an obvious flaws which we would likely agree on has shown he is more interesting and innovative than the average robber baron. He has an eye for backing successful projects that take big risks few in business are willing to chance today and that is a good thing. This does not excuse him his failures but I still give him credit for his successes because they are notable in how they move the needle against entrenched markets.
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  1386. Because he is a mouth peace for morality crusaders and is on the side that fights against open and free sexuality or sexual education .. the irony of attacking him for this makes it worth doing.
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  1387. What a shock, you have managed to say nothing about anything any one has asked you. You have not defined this free market system you raved about, you have not shared any of the GOP's non existent plans to fix health care. It is clear you have no clue what you are talking about and your random and completely pathetic attempts to label me violent because you think only rich people should get care mark you as a lunatic. I am not projecting anything you are the only one here avoiding questions.
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  1388. Imagine being Pro bully while pretending to be moral .. The inclination to punch down is always a failure of character.
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  1389. Please point it my hypocrisy as your blather in your last post does not even kind of do so. I do say our system is corrupt. The liberal media garbage is not a "fact" anywhere outside the right wing bubble you appear to inhabit. Our media is corporate and not remotely liberal. There are internet shows that are liberal but the corporate media is not remotely so. It is funny you blame "liberals" for not informing people when it is a fact fox viewers are less informed than those who watch no TV.
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  1390. You have not answered a single question posed to you it is becoming doubtful you even can. There exists no data on free market health care as the system you imagine does not exist. Our system is the closest thing to it and you do not like it either as it is not "free market" enough for you whatever that means as you refuse to define it. There is no effective desirable system on earth that is more "free market" than ours which greatly favors the rich and hangs everyone else out to dry..
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  1391. I have seen you do this to more than one person hence my lack of focus on our conversation. The cuts proposed by the GOP are not solutions but an extension of their only plan proposed "don't get sick". Cutting money from the system may support your view that they should do nothing but will only hurt health care and will actually dump even more costs on the the people who can least afford it costing lives. Your ideology demands the government can do nothing, you have nothing to back that up.
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  1392. Call Ben a waa-ambulance, what a loser!
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  1393. All fundamentalist's are the same brand of fail, that being said. In a country like Canada or the US where you get to choose your faith the number of fundamentalist's is finite and hovers around a certain percentage. Many people who immigrate bring the religious outlook to their new home. But the children of those people and most certainly their grand children are western and less old school. The old world outlook never survives more than a generation. There will always be fundies of all types, when they have no power to write law they are less problematic.
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  1394. It is finally making the press who is forced to report this nonsense feel like they are complicit They need to push back at this point or become even more irrelevant.
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  1395. Free speech has ramifications, it is not free. This has always been true, when you say stupid things you win stupid prizes.
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  1396. Talking points, talking points, talking points everyone that has been shown to be false with the barest of searches. You and those like you would not know common sense if it bit your face.
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  1397. Concern troll much? That is some super weak shit.
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  1398. He likely will and as long as our leaders are for sale they all will over and over again.
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  1399. It is not education spending that will put is in debt it is over spending on military and corporate welfare along with bizzare desire to lower taxes corporate and the richest even though they are a record low in 60 years while they have never made more. I advocate that we invest in our best and brightest and not choose who gets higher education by how rich their parents are. This is the kind of investment that has payed off before and is one of the most profitable ways government can spend money
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  1400. You have no clue what you are talking about. That you imagine we have the most liberal gay policies marks you as clueless. You are cheering a country who is run by dictator for life who is now consolidating his power using an ugly brand of ultra nationalism with a sprinkle of helpless homosexual scapegoats. You support assholes who are feeding into violence against a minority. Nothing about the blather you spout means anything, your post is a paragraph of ignorance personified.
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  1401. I ask you the same question, what are you doing here. You have not proven anything of the kind about me. You are being shouted down by no leas that 10 or 12 people and ignore many posts that blow you out of the water but strut around claiming some kind of victory. I know what John said about it and am inclined to agree as I believe we could have done much better, unfortunately not in this climate. You have nothing but talking points and bad spin and everyone who reads your posts knows it.
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  1402. Weather you agree they exist or not they do, when your demand is to a right to a marginalize someone on a vendors platform that does not value public marinization, it is hard to feel sorry for you.
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  1403. So not "poisonous" then, Crowder is lying? shocking I tell you!
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  1404. You have nothing and are repeating the same response to everyone like all tolls do. Nothing I have sad in the last statement is contradicted by or has anything to do the "transcripts". Try harder troll or at least put some effort into the job, copy and pasting generic responses that have nothing to to with the conversation makes you look lazy and stupid.
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  1405. He is a spin/talking point machine, nothing he says is clever.
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  1406. Or because you post a lot of spam.
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  1407. Served by Tulsi acting like a snowflake? ... ok if you say so.
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  1408. Where did I say I plan to prohibit health care? How could I possibly prohibit it anymore than your imaginary "free market" system would to anyone who could not afford it? You have not answered a single question and are like a boxer who takes 4 punches in the face falls down and then jumps to his feet claiming to have won. You are the cultist here, devoid of facts and reason you have literally shard nothing but catch phrases and ad ho-minim attacks. Answer the simple questions posed to you.
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  1409. When someone steals from from us and then just then shut down service they robbed because they never liked it anyway. When you borrow money you have to pay it back, this is no different. In your responsible world you would borrow money and then demand the bank you got it from be demolished as it is clearly some kind of resource sucking monster.
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  1410. You do not have anything but assertions and false ones at that. Virtually all reputable scientists are onside with our effect in global warming and the side you represent is funded by the fossil fuel industry that has a vested interest in the status quo. They are just trying to buy more time to make profits before they are forced to change their tune. You are a shill, I hope you are at least getting paid for it.
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  1411. So is he a practicing MD? If so he should focus on the job he was elected for. If he is not practicing then he is no more a contributor to the economy than any other official. Either way your spin is real weak sauce.
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  1412. Taxes are lower than anytime in the last 60 years. Our deficit is almost lower than when the dems took power from the republicans who not only crushed a surplus but ran our economy into the ground. Never once did they force a government shut down for ideological reasons to further another goal not attached to the budget. We know where the debt comes from and add in 2 wars, a Medicare drug plan giveaway and billionaire weighted tax cuts and most of the debt is republican as usual.
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  1413.  @kylesmith2379  they were never in enclosed spaces. Now there was a risk but it was always nothing compared to going to church or attending a trump rally for good feels.
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  1414. I forget nothing but am cursed with the facts that Iraq had zero to do with 911. He did not have WMDs and anyone who was not trying to force us into a useless war knew it. The better part of the world knew it and they were right. Your mindless ranting might have value in what ever brain dead pool you wallow in but in the light of day outside your fact free bubble they burn away like mist. You are a clown of major proportions and every time you post you make yourself look more clueless.
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  1415. Privilege Displayed, black guy would be shot or choked out.
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  1416. Certainly not less as the workforce is much smaller than it ones was. The number of hours each person works has gone up and our productivity has never been better yet none of the massive profits being reaped are flowing back to the people who work. Since it is a matter of law the federal government should be involved with marriage so it means the same thing in every state. I have never seen a good argument that marriage should be different from state to state.
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  1417. I have valid and supported facts behind me, you have discredited spin from fox and liar right wing think tanks. Your simplistic talking points have been busted again and again and that you do not know that and keep trying to use them makes you look pathetic. You have nothing and the American people know it, go ahead fringe dweller spit into the wind as you yell stupid thins it costs us nothing to see you as hopelessly ignorant.
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  1418. @brxbomber03 Jokes, you defend that clown and call the people laughing at him dumb. Very very funny.
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  1419. We are already spending our exorbitant amounts of money on our system to satisfy a profit motive to insurance dealers. We pay more to them or less to a system set up to provide health care instead of make money for a group that has no interest in your well being. We are spending the money anyway. Let us spend in such a way that it cost us less and provides health care for all freeing up our job creators from that burden like the rest of the developed world giving them a better chance to compete.
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  1420.  @everyonesinsane883  Making up what the left stands for is part of the lie you can not exist without.
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  1421. I do not agree, our system is corrupt because our system demands our leaders sell out to highest bidders to get elected. It is nothing to do with governments size that our system is openly so corrupt our leaders are expected to spend half their time looking for donations. To put everything to the state duplicates legislative effort and does not enforce common rights for all citizens or employ economy of scale to focus effort on issues that affect the nation as a whole and not just one state.
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  1422. Good rule of thumb, anyone that uses the term "Chinese Communist Party" is a partisan propagandist who should be summarily dismissed. China is an authoritarian autocracy morphed from communism and is empowered by trade policy ghouls like this have always supported. This is nothing but a distraction to get Americans to walk into the oven of crony capitalism at the risk of their very health during a pandemic.
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  1423. No charges, no police involvement, no issue. Oh I can point out what a loser Zimmerman and it is very relevant as it will be part of the key that hangs him in civil court. One of these people was a boy who was NEVER arrested and the other was a failed wanna be cop with a history of violence and issues with the police. It does not a lynch mob to call this out just a set of eyes that are not blinded by a desire to blame the victim.
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  1424. No, the ideas consistently have no ability to end run the problems associated with the fact corruption is never factored into the policy.
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  1425. Black panthers, lol. The moment you share this weak ass talking point you are shown to be a moron who is drunk on fact free kool aid. I am not surprised as you are that kind of buffoon.
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  1426. Well we are paying the money anyway, we are just giving it to the insurance companies who clean as much off the top before covering for the health care they are forced by contract to pay for. We spend more than the other G7 countries on health care without covering our entire population or guaranteeing a procedure will be covered if indeed you do get sick because of some legal loophole written into your contract. Our own Medicare provides health care much cheaper than privatized insurance does.
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  1427. It is you who is regressive and no one imagines or pretends that marijuana smoke contributes to anything negative.
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  1428. I think she likes crushing the weak and defenseless who think they are strong.
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  1429. Avraham Hirsch  The clowns who would not go to a party are not waiting for god to judge anyone and Ben appears to be one of them. I could never call anyone that calls me immoral to my face based on who I am a friend. I completely understand we have different points of view but Ben's crowd does not respect that and is about conformity and that is why he rejects Dave not the other way round. Conservatives are not exactly known for their love of diversity or respect for others not like themselves, stop pretending otherwise.
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  1430. The NSA and everyone could hear it, it is after all a show. All anyone has to do is tune in and listen. That you fear you are going to be destroyed in an open debate of your ideas makes sense. But complaining you will not get soft balls is not equal shows you must have a pretty weak.position.
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  1431. BluePlanet Nazi spin is not about collectivism or whatever nonsense you say it is about. Almost every system is collectivist to one degree or another so unless you are an overt anarchist you are a collectivist and it is just a matter where you sit on the scale. By your own spin the only people who can be Nazi's are "collectivists" and that includes almost every one. Pretending Jordan is some kind of anarchist is total nonsense. The informed do not have to let you play this weak talking point right out of the right wing fringes in an attempt to disassociate the garbage spin with similar views of the Nazi's. He is a collectivist in the same way almost everyone is and your blank pass of him not having Nazi spin because he is an "individualist" holds zero water and is not an argument. What you point to as the defining characteristics of the Nazi's is not what people are saying he did nor is the reason they associate him with them. Saying he does not matter your criteria of what a Nazi is does not invalidate the association by others.
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  1432. She sounds like she is correct ...
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  1433. That vote would have went badly in WWII before pearl harbour.
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  1434. Love it
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  1435. Last gasp? Seems like it is only gaining steam.
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  1436. We agree he is. He is a what a moderate republican was defined as not so long ago. The funny thing is no matter how much I loathe what he does the other side is just plain insane. I do not think he is as bad as his polices suggest but is just following the money. This hurts more because this is what we expect from a George Bush and sucks that we see it from a leader who was supposed to be above it like Obama. Sadly he is just part art of a system that directly links corruption and success.
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  1437. This is NOT SLAVERY, no one is injecting you against your will half wit. The people who were "injected" are doing so by their own free will to save lives. You are an idiot.
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  1438. Secular Talk is part of the TYT network, guess now you hate it.
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  1439. You represent the rich and the powerful and even then mostly yourself, no one else. Everything else is posturing to hook morons.
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  1440. The leaders are just saying what they are paid to say. You want to blame the leaders I blame the people who game the system and but them. Our system is setup so that our leaders are for sale and that is business as usual and it is the handful of people with 10's of millions to spend on buying them who are the cancer at the heart of the system. We do need to get money out of our electoral process but does not mean I will cut the clowns who are bribing our leaders slack.
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  1441. Brutal lie, but then you are not above making shit up to suit your backward narritive. There is one party fighting to deny coverage to millions of Americans, literally killing them and that is the party you fight for. It is the shut down that is killing this child and nothing else. The death panel spin you clowns attempt to use is bankrupt and anyone with half a brain knows the truth about this talking point dreamed up and sold to morons.
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  1442. It is not me that attributed to disposing waste it was a proven fact and prompted creating an entity to over see both private and public entities who would pollute. To answer your question it did not play a role and if it did it should still be overseen by the EPA. I do not only believe it I know it is a fact. In places we lower standards than our they openly pollute sometimes fatally. It is at best naive to think unregulated corporations will not pollute with impunity.
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  1443. Normally the stupid have a clue they are clueless and are ashamed to expose their ignorance in public. They have been empowered to say stupid things by vaccinated clowns that are lying to them about the vacione being dangerous. When start your list with of doctors with tenpenny you are always going the wrong way.
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  1444. You are a Luddite because you want attack the education system that has brought us this far as a whole, those "brainwashing" centers have been the key to our advancement. When you argue against live education calling it a "brainwashing center" you are not speaking in good faith as the fact is your proposed replacement is no guaranteed to address your primary concern.
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  1445. So you say, but I say it is our corporately own system where the richest entities in the country buy our leaders and not surprisingly push for the exact issues being proposed here. Blame me all you want but until we get money out of politics everything else is polishing bass on the titanic as it goes down.
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  1446. Harassing people and fare evasion is now a capitol offence?
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  1447. What about roads, food safety, airline safety and mass transit?
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  1448. They join the ranks of Saudi Arabia and Iran that you want more countries to be backward and less free says a great deal about what kind of clown you are.
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  1449. We are in agreement, the point of my post was not in promotion of generalizations.
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  1450. john smith They are being killed by policy that directly effects them. A clever politician would listen or at least pretend to. These kids have parents who vote and they will be voting soon themselves. Spitting in their face is probably not the best move electorally for the autistic clown speaking in the tape.
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  1451. The policy that allows an unstable 18 year old to by semi automatic assault style weapon in spite of the fact he was known to be dangerous. There is nothing being done about shooting in schools except to arm fucking teachers which will only see more deaths. School shootings are not becoming more rare, they are now basically a bi weekly event. Ignoring these kids is an option I guess but please note most of them will be voting next year.
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  1452. Idiot = anyone that puts any name = Hitler
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  1453. Yes they are wrong. But then they do not value individual freedom just like you. Every time a knuckle dragger like you calls someone sub human you know they are just trying to prop up their own failing bigotry. To be against individual freedom is the true "anti-human" ideology and it only manifests itself in undeveloped and uneducated or struggling societies. Ignorance is the bread and butter for your beliefs and as light is shone on your backward idiocy it consistently loses ground.
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  1454. That is about as dumb as it gets, the assertion that race based slavery was not racially motivated is foundationally incorrect.
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  1455. If you are worried about a religion "taking over" in the US, Christianity is only one that threatens you. Their leaders have literally said they wanted to replace the constitution with the bible . Islam will never have that kind of power here.
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  1456. Forgoing modern medicine walks you back to a different era.
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  1457. We know what they think, we just value the life and rights of a living mother more than a group undevelped cells.
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  1458. No that is what you and people like you have refined it as, social justice is not in contrast to liberty. If this is the first time you have heard it you are not listening. Freedom and equity are compatible if as long as you are not talking bout the freedom to step others. Unlike you I have no problem with the concept of using "force" in society as it is better to use it to enforce a degree of equity and promote growth than let the strong dominate the weak for their benefit alone.
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  1459. He is trying to fight the corruption that see democrats lose in key races over and over. That the establishment has the media is the only reason they are still in the fight at all. Their ideas are NOT popular with anyone including their base as they chase mythical centrist voters while handing key elections to the GOP over and over. These proven losers will do anything to not hand power to those who actually fight corruption, as it stands they are literally paid to lose. Being part of their team and not taking control of it is a path to continue to losing over and and over to an ever more off the reservation corrupt GOP.
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  1460. How does it reflect on me you loser. You are pretty pathetic.
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  1461. There is an estimate that we have 40,000 die because they can not afford care and many more who suffer because they do not get simple problems corrected, I will take your hundreds thanks. Mismanagement is something that can be fixed with focus get rid of the system that makes it accessible to everyone to make faster ques for soon to be bankrupt people after does not sound like much of a solution.
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  1462. There is a forward thinking leader, ostracize an entire generation that will be voting with a vengeance in just a couple years. Deeply stupid is an understatement.
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  1463.  @Vanderearden  I am not saying things are in the bag now.i am saying we need to replace the stains like joe. No matter what i oppose garbage like Joe but I see no upside in leaving the Turtle man in charge of the senate.
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  1464. Is what happens when you shred your soul for money ....
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  1465.  @meoff7602  This is not even very tough, I have almost no doubt this was an attempt to pay to play. It is sadly common in any business deeply tied with government. One does not have to look very far to see far more egregious examples, Kushner getting s 2 billion fund from the Saudi's after leaving the white house springs to mind. Business's that get government contracts often try to hire insiders hoping to get better access to key figures. This happens all the time. The history and contacts of the employee is why they get hired, even unsaid. Hunter did not have the background, education or experience to be hired as part of the team he joined. It leaves little room to guess why they employed him. The important part is, even if they hired him for his name they got nothing for it. In fact the policy they wanted was rejected and the opposite put in place. This whole subject is a nothing burger that betrays the pretense to oppose corruption while ignoring actual corruption.
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  1466. Of course not they wrote the rules, that does not mean we should not demand they be held to account. The government is an instrument under their control and is like blaming them is like blaming the gun for killing someone. The leaders did nothing anymore illegal than the bankers did and there in lies the problem, that you want to cut them slack and blame the government along marks you as focused on prosecuting the tool not the criminal.
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  1467. That is your take away? Jimmy is that you? 1) He has never supported increased funding to the state department, citation needed to validate your claim. 2) More capitol police? Where did you get that nugget? Not that I doubt he does, many do. If so how is that bad? 3) This is empty bullshit, you are not even trying here yet you have one more. 4) Sam asked pointed unanswered questions to your hero that specifically undermined your spin. He pointed out to the clown that maybe they did get leverage. Buddy moved the goal posts, "but they did not pass anything in the senate". To which anyone with a working brain should say, how does that validate your narrative they are failures in the house? Give up and go away, you are pretty bad at this.
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  1468. He is not.
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  1469.  @crit7514  He is a grifter, targeting a specific kind of talking point bubble audience.
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  1470. One party universally wants to cut it the other has a conservative branch who wants to cut it. That does not mean they are exactly the same just that they share the same corruption.
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  1471. Clinton is the most popular president ever, um Bush not so much.
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  1472. Really bad news for all of us. The guy is a legitimate monster.
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  1473. Wow you openly claim did not listen to it yet still have managed to come out with a very definitive and completely fact free statement. The fact is this nut job does deserve ridicule and not just from the left but by anyone who is basically sane. Just because someone that you obsessively should agree with (yet you do not know what they said it appears) is being lambasted does not mean you should jump to their defense. Some loony clowns on either end of the spectrum have it coming.
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  1474. Please Look up the term I am not remotely supporting "cultural Marxism", the old trick of calling your opponent Marxist does not work if it makes no sense. It is you who argues for conformity not me.
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  1475. Deeply confident asserted ignorance is the ugliest kind, Matt is absolutely hideous.
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  1476. Only after they shut it down, we can not let them fund the things they like and let everyone else hang out to dry. It is bad on principle, it is time they did their jobs or step aside and let people step in who will. As you fight to support liars and frauds you are implicated in their actions and it makes you look weak minded and stupid, or a dishonest shill.
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  1477. Even if they all voted one way they are still a minority and I will not go into the bullshit about the crap about felons. The bottom line is you should not be surprised about how unpopular the gay marriage is in a state this red and backwards. It is one of poorest states in the union with terrible education, #46 in employment, #1 in poverty, it is about being conservative not black. I want my food production regulated, my schools free of a profit motive, freedom means different things to us.
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  1478. Not slavery, they of course should be supporting you the same way they have wall street but to say it is slavery is hyperbolic spin on a by monsters to endanger your life because your government only backed up the rich. You are spitting the spin of assholes who would step over your families bodies for a quarter.
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  1479. Or someone that wants to change nothing. His spin on spitting on all leadership and saying he is for progressive ideas while shitting on every elected progressive that fights for them is in direct contradiction.
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  1480. Any female who could be affected by pregnancy should have access to this drug. It is about them controlling their own life and taking responsibility for it. Your demand that they just not have sex has not worked in any time in human history and that you see it as a solution only says that your head is deeply buried in the sand and that you do not care to deal with the issue.
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  1481. No one should ever take her calls.
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  1482. As a % of GDP (the only measurement that matters) they are at a 60 year record low. We have actually decreased our deficit and spending is less out of control and all on the books than the bush era and that is true even after the destruction of the world economy. The only measurement that matters is that number as a % of our total production and that it is going up alone means nothing as it naturally does when the economy improves.
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  1483. We can't believe you live in the same world as we do, you look at information and find a fact free way to twist it to justify your spin. The original tea party was a protest against taxation without representation not less regulation as you so weakly attempt to re-frame it in right wing bubble speak. There was no such thing as "free market" at the time and it was an idea that barely existed. Their protest was framed as a demand for representation not less regulation as you erroneously assert.
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  1484.  @Cat_Lady  They are paid to ... the epoch times buys air time. It is only bad to say bullshit things if you are creator, otherwise they have no problem with lying douche bags as long as they pay.
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  1485. I think she did the right thing, Trumps fans were going to back him no matter what but only pc freaks and right wing crazies care she stood up to him. I don't see being strong and facing a bully toe to toe is a bad strategy for anyone in fight. Allowing him to call question your credibility with impunity is not playing 3d chess. Leaving these clowns to say whatever they want unanswered is the path we have been walking, time for change.
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  1486. Though good ol Russia is going to chase them
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  1487. What?
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  1488. Wow that is real hard bad.
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  1489.  @a.romero4110  He is in no way a democrat and needs to be booted from the party. There is zero chance the GOP would put up with a progressive in their ranks.
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  1490. That they have some progressive views does not mean every view they have is progressive. That some democratic voters agree with the conservatives who are pushing the ban on gay marriage does not make that view a progressive position. You are equating who they vote for with every issue they support and it is simply not valid. The progressive position is pro freedom, pro gay marriage and the conservative one is anti freedom and anti gay marriage. MS is a red state, a very conservative state.
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  1491. They just call anything they dislike woke, I saw mega clown calling a cop who abusing his power woke. The idea our problem is woke cops is a silly.
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  1492. But the republicans have taken it to a fine art. hey hold congress today but a significant majority while receiving a minority of the votes. The fact a a minority of our country is holding us all hostage is well understood by American public and this is the reason for the record low approval rates congress now enjoys.
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  1493. Japan .. Canada kinda, Central America, Caribbean.
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  1494. You are just giving money away to the monied interests that are lobbying for these schools. None of the other successful school systems on the planet are privatized and this says everything about it's value. Our system needs reform but handing it over to corporations who are not accountable to anyone but their share holders is a bad plan. The successful schools you point to are not government funded charter schools but private schools that cost far more than the 13,000 you are citing.
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  1495. No, many of us voted for him with no focus on his skin color at all. That he was the first black president in history is a noteworthy, that is it. You can deny an element of the right (The KKK clowns) does not hate him more because he is black but it takes no time at all to find an "ally" of yours on a forum like this who proves you wrong.
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  1496. Have you considered reading up on current events before you comment on them?
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  1497. Aids vaccine? There never was an aids vaccine and the nature of the virus would mean there is not reason to mass distribute it if it did. You can always determine when these clowns are lying, the clear tell is their lips move.
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  1498. What is the lesson, the lesson is some business fail but then we know that already. We could look at other instances where the government stepped in like the car manufactures and specifically Tesla and we can see where the free market fails some help can get private industry that provides great jobs and more taxes is worth investing in especially as we get our money back anyway. You take different lessons that I do and were you would do nothing I would see us do it better.
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  1499. This is a stupid meme in service to corruption and lies. It is overtly dishonest and anyone who shares it needs to be called a dupe or a liar.
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  1500. Those benefits aid a great many people and encourage the family unit which does have value to the state. I think it should be religion who should be out of it and there are plenty of reasons to get married that have nothing to do with taxes or what some random holy book written in the bronze age says.
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  1501. He lays no fault at the feet of hte republicans who are in power. They have been bulling the DNC forever. It was the gops fail not to bend this time. Trump like a moron backed off first and made the who thing his own fault. This stain would never frame it that way because he is a partisan hack.
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  1502. The republicans have ran psychotically to the right, if Reagan ran in their party today he would be primarried out of the system as a communist. These is so lost that even a corporatist Obama who has his issues looks pretty good. This is not about me buying into someone sales pitch but a decision I came to after a careful look at what the policies of each actually were after the mindless rhetoric is removed. If you are not a republican then perhaps you should avoid useing their talking points.
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  1503. By what twist of logic does the asshat Romney get any credit?
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  1504.  @dumbl4421  To be atheistic is a stand alone assertion on a single question that does not share anything with religion other than the fact it speaks to belief in a deity. Atheist's may not be immune to propaganda in general, they are untouched religious propaganda as there is no dogma, symbology or a word view attached to simply lacking a belief in something. Radical atheists are not really a thing. The closest thing to one might be the USSR, they were atheist to counter religious political power which has is the same nature if you wedge a god into it or not. But everything they did was on them and is not owned by any other atheist.
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  1505.  @dumbl4421  The cultural take on atheism framed from this religous perspective is popular but false. For the right leaning Christians building fear of Muslims this way is the pot calling the kettle black. The only thing that makes them better at all is the framework which resticts them, not the religin itself. This spin may scoop up some atheists but it is still an innately religius based argument. The failures of muslim theoricracy as bad as it would be if fundi Christians had absolute control. What holds our religious fundemrntalists in check is secularism. In those societies religion takes an ever less central role except in a minority of a specific mindset. I find the whole argumetd dragging athiests into a fundemrntalists mess largely dishonest. The thiests own even the example with athiests in it you cite.
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  1506. At least it is not Romney who would have done the exact same and likely worse. At least the gop will not get to put another Scalia into the supreme court in the next 4 years.
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  1507. Republican voter logic: The dems are too weak to win elections but they control the entire rest of the world and all the media.
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  1508. 64 percent of minimum-wage workers are women and 79% of them are 20 and older. An increase in wages would go directly to families and back into the economy. The argument that employers can not afford a higher wage is false as entities like Walmart do just fine in jurisdictions where the minimum wage is fundamentally higher than ours. Companies never hire workers because they are cheap but only because they need them, that will not change if we raise the minimum wage.
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  1509. We need to be correctly painting them as corporate radicals ..
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  1510. It is nice they are taking the mask off. When you are ok standing beside white nationalists it says a great deal about you, NONE of it good.
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  1511. It does not end it, it does not allow it to start. This is not an abortion no matter how badly you want to say it is.
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  1512. I learned it from people far more capable of discussing it than you are. The fact is I do understand it pretty well, I just do not agree with it's underlying premise of the free market being the answer to every problem. I believe the free market is a critical part of our system but only a fool thinks it should be unregulated. People like you and the guy in the video consistently hurt your cause. All anyone who debates your kind has to do is ask you simple questions and let you talk to do damage.
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  1513.  @RemixedVoice  Hilariously the confederates were all deeply Conservative. The south was once entirely democrat and the north republican. That has changed and ignoring fact do not make it go away. The historically racist conservative south still votes for racists and conservatives. Nothing has changed except the focus of the respective parties and who they serve.
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  1514. I get my information from a lot of sources, Obama's white house is not one of them. I have never heard of the list and am interested in who compiles it or what the criteria is as that is the kind of thing that is fundamentally open to bias. I can see you put alot of value in it but the fact is the one corporate media outlet is pretty much the same as another and that they have a list of their "10 best" means nothing to me.
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  1515. Nobody does give a fuck about your ignorant bigotry, idiot. As far as normal I am already strait but simply can not stand to see you clowns go unchallenged as you spout raw nonsense. You and yours are on the wrong side of history and freedom the "disease" you hate is going to spread no matter how hard you try to stop it. That one country that is already sliding into a dictatorship means nothing except as an indicator of how messed up it is. I care about equality and freedom, you don't.
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  1516. I know who Friedman is and I am not sure he would be unhappy at all. It was his polices implemented in the 1980's that have precipitated the massive shift of wealth into the hands of wealthy from the middle class over the last 30 years. There are other Nobel economists who do not share his view of the pure Keynesian stratagem as being beneficial to the majority. The Keynesian's have had their day and the argument that the rich do not have enough rings a lie when you look at our real problems.
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  1517. The issues is measured against a short time before even if only a smaller % are actually earning minimum wage that is only because it is a fraction of what it should be if adjusted for productivity gains over the last 45 years. We make far less than we should compared to what we produce and currently a tiny minority is pocketing the difference and getting exponentially richer by the second all the while they demand more of our money.
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  1518. Lol, how old are you? Your "I know you are but what am I" shtick is pretty weak sauce even from you.
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  1519. Sane ones, not wacko's propped up by Nazi's that wanted the government just elected to resign because they were mad.
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  1520. For whatever reason? The reason people like him is he is doing a great job. This is confusing to these media clowns because GOP leadership never does that.
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  1521. No, trump is just bitting the hand that feeds him
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  1522. That sucks man, good luck!
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  1523. Just shhhhhh. We are talking about a proven shill putting his finger on the process to service corporate inserts. That is the definition of toxic. The idea Bernie is going where is establishment wishful thinking not attached to reality.
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  1524. I have read everything you post yet you continue to say nothing. You avoid and misdirect, that you continue accuse me of exactly what you are doing is laughable. It is ok anyone who reads this can see there is only one honest broker in this conversation and you are fooling no one but yourself. The fact you can not give any specifics and never have even tried shows the accusation of "liar" you level at anyone who calls out your bulls shit to show to be pathetic and below contempt. Keep going.
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  1525. I am furious about the entire direction of our surveillance data collection police state that is eroding our privacy by leaps and bounds. Any one of these issues would be a concern on their own but taken in concert they mean an end to privacy as we have understood it. The only reason he spent that time in jail is when he was convicted DNA comparison was not an option and we did not need a giant database to prove he was innocent once we got around to actually looking at the evidence as we should
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  1526. I agree that the lies are funded by the oil companies but coal is not innocent of this either. Oil and coal do not directly compete except in the case of natural gas which is now being pushed by the the same powers that own oil. That being said there is room for both of them and they are fighting to get more time before they are both made far less relevant as they know they will eventually lose this debate. They are just like the cigarette companies lying right up to the end the their loss.
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  1527. Correlation and causation is not same thing .. these clowns do not care what they are saying is nonsense.
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  1528. Means-Testing is just a way to turn SS into a program for the poor so it is easier to cut. As long as it is a universal program it is very hard to attack. Turn it into some kind of thing only the "poor" get and then suddenly it becomes a great target next time the are looking to cut something to fund more tax cuts.
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  1529. He has better push and media cred than bush ever did. I think he may flame out but Ron s Trumps biggest threat. He is a hard core establishment freak show under his trump mask.
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  1530.  @scotthullinger4684  The comparison is pointless, Ron has anti charisma that some of the gop like. But his real fight is against Trump and hanging on to the governor role, not really Biden. I would say as boring as Ron is, he is more dangerous against Biden than the orange man baby is. Not because of charisma. He has more energy is willingness to play any dirty trick. He has the additional benefit of not being moron, unlike Donald. As calculating as Ron is, he is a train wreck. A weak Donald want to be. Ron is a stop at nothing crafty politician. Donald is primarily popular because he is not that. He is too dim witted and impatient to be crafty. Republican voters like that apparently. Bottom line is I do not think Ron will get his turn this cycle unless something drastic happens to Trump. That is assuming he wins the governor race coming up.
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  1531.  @scotthullinger4684  None of that matters if he is running against Trump. Too many people hate the parent that plays the refs and cry's about every call. Trump's consistent and never ending crying has alienated well over half the country to the point people who do not vote are coming out to vote against him. When you are facing someone that bad you do not have to be good. Biden already proved that. His numbers just ticked up as he decided to do things he had in his pocket the whole time. Anymore of that and Trump is done before this starts as he gets buried by polices the american people actually like. Trump will not have his mask on like he did in 2016. You love his real face but more of us (Americans) recoil from it.
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  1532.  @scotthullinger4684  Inflation had already started to rapidly rise, long before Biden took office. It is a world wide phenomena, meaning it is not driven by our economy. Biden never had control of it, he inherited the issue. Biden continued trumps policy at the boarders including work on Trumps uncompleted/unpaid for wall! He continued trumps policy of holding refugee claimants in mexico, much to his own voters anger. The idea he widely opened the border is counter factual nonsense not attached to reality. Texas taxes are higher for working people than they are in California because of brutal property taxes there. The only people fleeing to the states you mention are rich assholes looking for another tax cut from a deeply sympathetic sold out leader. Employment under Biden was down at near record low numbers, I see no one like you even mention that. How odd. Housing costs have been on a rise the entire Trump presidency. That trend only continued under Biden. This is due to polices that both the GOP and the establishment Democrats are bipartisanly complicit on that empower wall street vultures. Your outrage about your quoted stats seems very mono dimensional and applied like you have only been told half the story. I have been hearing these same complaints the whole Trump presidency, that you have transferred them all to Biden speaks to the news bubble you are lost in. Get this strait! I am NOT A FAN of Biden. He is largely the same fail Trump is without the mean tweets and weekly sacking of some staff member. Biden is a 90's republican! The only reason you can not see it is you have been bizarrely convinced he is a communist. Even a 90's republican is better than the bat shit crazy, anti-democratic version represented by Trump or cronies that are complicit in his lies.
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  1533.  @scotthullinger4684 You miss the point pretty badly. Biden is not wonderful, he is establishment business as usual, just like Trump proved he was when being led by the nose when in office. Biden inherited a collapsing shit show from Trump. Funny thing, just like Obama did from Bush. As stated he DOES NOT ignore illegal immigration. His polices are basicly the same as Trump as he rolled back almost NOTHING. On immigration: If either party wanted to attack illegal immigration they would hit the people who give them Jobs and lure them here. The fact neither party does speaks volumes about them wanting to "solve" the problem. Take away the Jobs and those people go home. Biden's presidency is hallmarked by the fact he has done almost nothing. That means all the failures you pile at his feet do not make sense in any way. As stated he barely had press conference, your list of his accused failures do not line up with his do nothing actions. I would challenge you to explain how his polices are different than that of trump on most things? Even trump once said we should bring everyone home from Afghanistan, that is before the neo-cons who started the war got in his ear. There is a party today who is literally Anti-American. Their leader, much of the party and a handful of now convicted voters attempted to overturn our democracy illegally. You do not get to larp as pro american and then try to spit on our constitution and democratic will by supporting these clowns. You are right about one thing, there are people calling evil, good. It is you and those like you who have changed the definitions. The idea of overturning our democracy through violence would have been unthinkable to a Conservative 20 years ago. Now you call it good, you have turned your world upside down and that is why you see the other side as evil. Dude it is the red states that have the worst numbers, it is not even close! From violent crime per capita, to child mortality, to teen pregnancy, to poorest populations, to worst education outcomes the right owns them all! The 10 poorest states in the union are all deep red. They are the welfare queens who take more than they give back. California alone is the 4th largest economy in the world. You look silly and out of touch painting it as a failure. The establishment democrats you call Marxists are actually conservative corporatists that lean left on well established social issues. They are owned by the same donors as own the GOP. They are in NO WAY Marxist! You can't call them that without radically redefining the word. Just stop! Perhaps get some help. You are so lost in a hyper partisan, zero grey bubble that your identity is blinding you. You are spitting nonsense that one day you will see as silly, when the fever finally breaks.
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  1534.  @scotthullinger4684  Bidin is crushing Trump in employment numbers, don't let facts get in the way of you silly narritive.
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  1535. There is one group smearing here, it is not the dems. These clowns could have been up in arms for every event listed in the post above. Were they? No, because they are not doing this out of principle but just more of their hyper partisan bullshit.
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  1536. Or for a cut to them when it is the kind of think Rush advocates every day.
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  1537. First this is not a process to replace the constitution but to make another constitutional amendment modeled on the way the 17th was implemented. So far Texas has already brought it forward, 38 states are needed for the convention to be called. As far as what the corporatocracy will do, all they can do put financial pressure on the leaders future campaigns. Our big advantage is many of officials hate the system too and this would free them from fund raising erasing the leverage the donors have.
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  1538. He did not compare Jimmy to MLK, this is empty nonsense.
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  1539. You do know that there are places where they companies operate with a much higher minimum wage don't you? You do understand that giving the people who rely most on those low prices just to get by more money will help them far more than it will hurt if prices went up marginally. Our economy is driven by demand and demand alone, the more money spent the better for business. The money we are talking about will go directly back into the economy and that is good for everyone.
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  1540. Am no tesla Stan but I did not hear any counters to his arguments besides dismissal of them.
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  1541. Yes let us list the faults of your beloved Russia now shall we. You are run by a dictator that has usurped your democracy and now holds power by imprisoning any one who speaks out against him. A country were psychotic nationalism is now the watch word of the day and scape goats are already being picked out and legally discriminated against. A mafia state owned by a criminal underground with no respect for citizens or law. As far as people who should not talk, you are at the top of the list.
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  1542. That some democratic voters hold conservative views on specific issues like censorship of the banning of same sex unions does not surprise me. This does not change the progressive position that is pro gay marriage, pro free speech, pro freedom. Until we bring everyone who votes for democrats onside to the progressive position I will just have to share my party with people who vote like conservatives on some issues.
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  1543. Bill was once interesting, he has not been for a long long time. His takes are pretty much always boomer bad as he blows the establishment gets things wrong on purpose.
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  1544. @Frank McGovern Good he has you around to explain his strawman
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  1545.  @mikebanks2176  Your demand to stop all change is consistently at the cost of people oppressed because you fine with them being screwed over. Stasis is unnatural and undesirable.
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  1546. Time to send them to the island for a round of reeducation.
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  1547.  Andrea Mendenhall  The contribution trope is only "true" as conservatives give more to charities if you include religious giving which we know is not "charity" in a real sense as much as an attempt to buy thier way into heaven and keep televangelists rich. This kind of "charity" motivated by self interest is not as altruistic as you paint it. It was not conservatives that ended Slavery, in fact the conservatives who like the status quo fought a war to keep it. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of every single fight for rights we have ever had, own that truth.
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  1548. Media is owned by corporatists and they are lazy ones at that who have let the GOP define the terms to describe our policy for over a decade. If you do not understand this you have not been paying attention.
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  1549.  @cp3190  You can totally tax based on specific qualifying criteria. It is the very nature of a progressive tax system. The tax would not effect a majority of companies as it taxes gross increase in net worth over a period. Unless your company added over x billion in value you do not pay it. Only massively successful companies like Amazon and others on the list would qualify. The idea most companies grew during this period is bizarrely counter factual. The idea that no one would want to buy into the most successful quickly growing business's in our economy is ridiculous. Investors circle around looking of exactly this kind of opportunity to buy solid performing stock. Why do you imagine there is no one to buy these stocks? What is it about a sell off these business's that makes you think no one will want them? The irony is the fed is giving our money away while I would have focused the efforts to people while taxing the mega rich. These clowns are making 10's of billions as our economy implodes and working people suffer. It is time they gave something back from the society that has enriched them so.
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  1550. Sure, we need to organize a constitutional amendment raised at the state level and get 38 states to ratify it. There are several organizations that are working on this as we speak. Getting money out of politics is one issue we are not polarized on and the idea has broad support from both sides of the political fence. 75% to 85% of Americans agree with this idea. Our system has the facility to change from the grass roots up and it is high time we do just that. Watch /watch?v=3xzVBe3hmOk&list
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  1551.  @Jfre2  Ya they are, you may agree with them but it does not make them any less bigoted. The definition of the word has nothing to do with left or right in English! I am no where near far left even as you clearly show your tendency towards fringe right. Your stated ideology is intolerant and bigoted by definition, you hide it behind a demand the world does not change around you. You should own where you stand if you believe in what you say. Don't hide from it and pretend some imaginary enemy is mispresenting you. The people who are not enraged by trans people or do not care if someone is gay are not far left, they are now pretty normal. No one is asking you to call yourself woman, what the hell do you care if people that don't effect you, call themselves a woman? or a turnup? or whatever they want to? It literally costs you nothing. That it is strange to you and does not make sense does not mean it is "far left". You would love thought control if the media did not see the economic value of being inclusive as a public face. You would be perfectly happy back in the day when they did not put black people on TV unless they were drug dealers or they canceled actors who came out as gay. They have always curated a version of what was acceptable to appeal to sponsors. That they are marginalizing groups you identify with now is the difference. The market has changed, they have simply followed it like hungry grazing animals. Corporate media, including this venue chases market's and always has. They have no ideology outside seeking more profit. Their programing follows the market they are focused on, greed and profit is the only motivation behind anything they do. No one is dictating how you or beard boy should think, you are free to be outraged over nonsense fed to you by your chosen outrage machine. But as a business they have an innate right to regulate what is on their platform. They have to in order meet a standard demanded by advertisers. You are free to do what you want at home or to a lessor extent in public, when in someones home you can expect to follow the house rules or go home. If you can't do that, they are free to kick you out. In this case they did not kick Matt out. They simply demonetized there by de-incentivizing his speech do to his contractual breech. If you can't follow the rules of the house you can expect consequences, Matt ran into them. Contracts have value in the US. This is not about ideology, left or right. It is about the fact we have always given the corporations power to do this very thing. You are just outraged because it effects you now.
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  1552. Your stat sounds like it is pulled strait out of your ass.
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  1553. It is a not a progressive agenda but corporatist one. To say anything else is misrepresenting what progressive means.
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  1554. Do give me the narrative on that story ...
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  1555. If you force your child to confom to your narrow ideas of identity against thier nature you will make them miserable.and eventually lose them forever. Parents that crush thier children to make themselves happy are bad poeple and do. not deserve respect from said children. If you have a child going through this, speak to them and your doctor, Do not take any advice from these hateful assholes
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  1556. We need too get the message out and appeal to non voters who are estranged from the a system by cooked republicans and democrats that act like republicans giving them cover. We then must hold our elected leaders feet to the fire and replace them the next primary if they fail us. They need to fear the voters more than the donors cutting them loose like the tea party did to the GOP.
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  1557. We just need to counter thier negitive spin with postivie facts. If the word Obama care can be shown to be what it is rather than what the right wing spin machine pretends it is. To many this word no longer makes them shudder because we understand it to be an imperfect right wing solution that was still better than what we had.
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  1558. Wearing a mask wrong is cowardly protest, if you stand by your conviction do not wear one loser. Make your own sandwich, fly your own plane.
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  1559. Clearly idiots.
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  1560. Oil is a great example, early in oils development there was no extensive demand. Demand is built over time and many things we take for granted were supported by government early on as it was understood there was value in the effort. When it comes to energy options we need to invest in others so they are developed and available when we do need them. You should be thinking of this spending as an investment in the future where the demand will support the effort as now cheap energy gets expensive.
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  1561. Lol, Communist Obama care. Right there you lose all credibility although to be fair you never had any to begin with.
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  1562. The only reason they are doing it though is to get people who do not vote for them out of the picture. That is crooked and wrong. No worry this will come to bite them in the ass people will only let them self be unrepresented for so long before there is a backlash and these types of leaders are swept out as the situation corrects itself. It is a short term solution to a fundamental problem they are not even trying to address.
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  1563. I would rather see drug testing for all elected officials first. The drug testing thing has been tried in Fl where a lot of money is wasted on testing and almost no one is kicked off the program. Lets spend our money on better solutions to the problem rather than throwing it to drug testing centers.
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  1564. More of this stupid shit, he is a not one of your friends who fuck children and anything that moves.
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  1565. Well don't count on the right wing having many voters after that is done.
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  1566. They are both robots, but one group has certainly gone off the rails. Perhaps this is only to make the other one look reasonable but this is not a choice of the same shit in a different pile. It is the difference between choosing to eating a mouthful rather than a giant truck load, for the sane this is not a choice at all.
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  1567.  @stevenlabudda6994  You clowns look like loons every time your spit this nonsense.
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  1568. Rapist protector. The conservative definition of whore is when a woman is unconscious and sexually attacked by man after man, in the end this make her a whore and the men that attacked her are blameless. Good luck with that spin, you are clownish and sickening as usual,
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  1569. The only thing that is consistent society is change. Conservative thinking is just a desire for people to cling to what they know, a validation that what was before is better and that change is not desirable. None of that survives contact with reality. That you want to assign the desire for universal rights for everyone to a scary term like neo Marxism means nothing. I stand on the side of progress and freedom and you support the tyranny of the majority over individual rights.
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  1570. Not everyone who is into religion is driven by hate but there will always be a segment that does. Demonizing the "Other" is a proven sales technique that appeals to a certain type of lazy mind that wants validation for what the feel and chooses to side with people that support their predispositions. The preachers of hate will always have voice as it is an easy sell to group that appreciates it validating what is already in their hearts.
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  1571.  @gyrate4  There are good arguments to use in convincing people the value of being anti racist or being more concerned about where their meat comes from, none of them have to do with guilt. Attacking who people are does not make them want to be more like you. It is a lousy sales technique, especially if you think what your are selling is worthwhile.
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  1572.  @gyrate4  You may not be able to, but former neo-nazi's have been de-converted from this frame of mind before. They never made that journey because they were guilted into it.
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  1573. You and your kind do not care about education or technology or advancement and we would be have been hamstrung if we had ever followed your views as a society. As special kind of blind partisan with no real answers except unproven propaganda you hate education because it is a counter to you. You do not dislike them because they "brainwash" but because educated people generally do do not agree with your ignorant backward spin.
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  1574. We already get our care rationed by for profit insurance companies as millions of Americans find out every year when some kind of tragedy strikes them. Buddies whole philosophy is that government is always bad forget the fact he would not have the country he did without it. Pure libertarian ideas do not make any sense in the real world and would fail for the same reason as communism did (abject corruption). They dream of a time that never was and want a system that should never be.
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  1575. Your statements are without support and not based on reality. The employer mandate is not even going into effect for 1 year so all this blather about laying off workers has nothing to do with the ACA as that part of it is not even in effect yet. Every stat you quote is fact free and propaganda that is easily fact checked out of existence with a quick goggle search.
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  1576. How is that working out for the left? Seems like bad hats might bring out the voters.
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  1577.  @jamestcatcato7132  We do not shoot our feet, the leaders picked by the donor class do that for us. We understand why our leaders fail and hate them for it. On the right, that same corruption is beloved. Selling out to special interests is the root problem with both parties. The left calls it out and fights to change it, the right ignores it in their leaders entirely so they can wallow in dopy wedge/identity issues instead.
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  1578.  @NeuroticWolf13  He needed every single vote. The only reason Biden won was Trump was so bad. Most voted against Trump not for the dems. It was pretty close with a record turnout. There are real fears that because Biden is not willing to do anything but empower the GOP, less voters will Turn out to vote for him. This why the media has been predicting a GOP landslide for both the mid terms and the general in 2 years. As it stands the democrats need every vote they can get. The fact they are doing nothing but spitting on the base like they are paid to lose. This is why Biden is not expected to win against almost anyone these days.
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  1579.  @Avedis-G  Antifascism won! But because they forced a corpse down voters throats, barely animated, do nothing Joe is about to hand total power to the gop. To answer your question, the right is doing sadly, shockingly and infuriatingly well. Especially because they offer nothing but blind service to theocracy, naked corporatism, bigoted identity wedge issues and overt lies. That democrats are not kicking the backwards total failure that is the GOP up and down the street is because they establishment leadership is being paid not to. Instead they are being paid to spit on their base and empower the cancer that is the GOP. To do otherwise might cost their owners some of those mountains of cash they have been building at our expense. They are buying both parties and playing them against us while delivering nothing but tax cuts and think tank policy. How your candidate is funded matters, keep that in mind.
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  1580. He is still a corporate tool and massive sell out.
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  1581. The fact is where there is a better min wage the cost of living where it is not much higher than ours. A low minimum wage overs value to no one but the likes of the Walton's and who are going to hire people regardless of the min wage. You are spitting simple talking points from a group of lobbyists who could care less about anyone but themselves at the cost of the working poor and our economy. Your assumption of my blanket support for Obama is a blind as the rest of your spin.
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  1582. You can't make this shit up ... hilarious!
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  1583. No, you have no mind change my mind.
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  1584. Conservatives have been on the wrong side of history on every single issue with regard to individual freedom. They were pro slavery, anti woman's right to vote, anti equal rights amendment, anti interracial marriage and always anti gay. As we evolve we leave each of those ideas on the trash heap of history and so it is with your stand on this. I stand for it because it is correct and believe in individual rights not because of the media, you stand against it because of naked bigotry.
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  1585. Ok enough of the bullshit talking points about amount of tax our corporations paying being the highest. The base rate may be "high" but the effective rate is no where near that. Corporations are now paying the lowest levels of taxes in the post-World War II era. In fiscal 2002 and 2003, federal corporate incomes taxes dropped to their lowest sustained level as a share of the economy since World War II. Only a single year during the early Reagan administration was lower. Your spin is pathetic.
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  1586. They pay ridiculously low taxes and I would not be surprised if they had to pay none as the oil does not originate in the states. We do not need the risk of running a risky oil pipeline that offers pretty much nothing to us as taxpayers and ultimately the people who should be agreeing to this project. We owe the oil companies nothing and should not support their desire to ship cheap oil from Canada overseas.
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  1587. I know what the standard definition but not what you mean you blurt it out like an automaton. I still do not know what you mean when you talk about a free market medical system or how that would work or where I can see an example of one because you have never told us. When you say force and coercion I can only guess you mean some fundi libertarian definition of taxes. If that is the case you would do very good to say so so you can be dismissed as an ignorant idealist with no tie to real world.
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  1588. There is no good side of a massacre ... worse is his nonsense attempt to make the accuser the enemy for because they pointed out his crimes. Of course he will not address the charges but it does not mean they are remotely laughable.
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  1589. Those who have no tolerance should not expect any
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  1590. Someone should tell this taliban bearded halfwit that there were no federal mandates
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  1591. Enough with the weak ass gore spin. We need to do what we can and avoiding it because it is "expensive" is going to cost us a great deal more down the road in both lives and dollars if we do nothing.
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  1592. These idiots have no clue what they are talking about, CRT is not in public schools. They are dupes, morons and liars. You are sounding alarms about a problem that does not exist.
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  1593. I once saw it as true, the last decade has shaken and then broken that idea. It only takes focused effort from a few monsters to tip the scales of advancement back by hard selling up is down narratives wrapped up in empty identity nonsense.
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  1594. Punk rock is not manifested by supporting establishment sell outs and the status quo. She has no idea what punk means. Who is shocked at this?
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  1595. Why do you think people do not know about the RNA vaccines? You are incorrect, we know we just got our info from reputable sources and not anti vax morons who have never had a leg to stand on. You are not informed, you have been propagandized into a bubble of ignorance. The concerns about the vaccine do not match the danger of the virus. The risks are not remotely similar.
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  1596.  @dustinlerch9272  That Obesity you trait you dismiss as bad lifestyle puts a lot of people at grave risk. Some that you may even have some semblance of human emotion toward. I know everything you do on this subject. I have read all I can find on this generation of vaccines both pro and against. There is no compelling evidence that makes me question the risk of the vaccine against the nakedly brutal risks of the virus. Even if you think the virus will not harm you (which is not remotely certain) you still put everyone beyond you in a string of infection at risk. This is not just about a personal choice. Most public health policy is not and never was. To work at maximum effectiveness most of us have to get the shot. This is not different than vaccine campaigns that have wiped out and brought to heal mortal dangers in the past. You stand with ignorance against us getting this thing under control. If we had you clowns when we were wiping out small pox it would still be people today. I am not fear mongering, you are. You are the one pretending a shot that gives you some ability to fight a novel virus is worse than the virus deemed a pandemic by every government on the planet.
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  1597. The cancer thing is a weak ass ploy and the child would not be in any danger if the Republicans had not put a gun to their head in passing a budget. Raising the debt ceiling is a regular part of governance that was business as usual for ever until it was also hijacked for partisan gain. The debt ceiling money has already been spent and to not raise it is to default on our debts like a deadbeat. You are getting crazier and more fact free with each thing you type, you make dismissing you too easy.
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  1598. Please explain the provisions that are so bad, why is it the worst? I am very interested because in my experience people who use the term obamacare have no clue what they are talking about and consistently misinformed.
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  1599. Good call!
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  1600. Throat damage as a direct result of brain damage ...
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  1601.  @richeaton7436  We have a many more violent freak shows on the right to point at than dangerous trans activists bizarrely fighting to be who they are. Perhaps focus on the real danger and not just your pet bigotry ...
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  1602. Again you parrot talking points from the fact free right about Obama and his policies. He is a corporatist as bush and shares almost all of his policies. Callimg him communist is a total joke if look at what he has enacted and who is advisers are, he is communist like McCarthy was. Not just minorities but everyone has rights and that means the tyranny of the majority does not get to dictate what you can and can not say. Russia does not respect freedom, their polices say that clearly.
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  1603. Publicly funded campaigns would go a long way to getting exactly what you are asking for and would change the focus to what we want. As it stands they are both competing for the same dollar will always move toward the dollar signs.
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  1604. Bla bla bla, we know you are a shill who has no love of facts. The more people like you talk the clearer it is just how full of shit you are. Keep up the good work.
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  1605. Where is the example of this lala land you dream about. Mine exists in the here and now and you can see it by looking out the window.
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  1606. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out, why do people feel like anyone care when they leave?
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  1607. In one case, but the systems were not privatized and were in EVERY case were publicly funded non profit systems. They prove that a well managed public system works. Nothing about your argument to privatize them in the name of "competition" is validated as good solution anywhere in the real world. You share the corporate talking points as the kind of choice you advocate in not part of their solutions. That we have problems in undeniable. that you have the solution has no basis in fact.
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  1608. I don't hate anyone I just want them to stop buying our leaders with the money they are being exempted from paying. They are not the ones putting billions in the banks so people can loan, you apparently have no clue how the system works. That they pay 10% means everyone else will have to pick up their slack so they can throw more money they can never use onto the pile. Give that same money to 90% of the population and we will spend it in the economy, consumers drive demand no investors.
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  1609. Of course there is hope, as long as some can see the truth and call them out for their lies. That some will buy in is sad but does not have to define us or the debate as they have nothing to hang on to but a bad guess their misinform guts have made.
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  1610. Moron, this stuff is stupid even in the realm of fact free trolls. WTF indeed?
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  1611.  @peterjv8748  There are valid concerns about GMO's, demanding honest labeling of products should be no issue if there is no issue. Let the market decide.
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  1612.  @peterjv8748  There is no anti-science in that request. People have valid concerns about GMO's decreasing the range of options we have in the market place. There is nothing "unscientific" about that concern and asking the producers correctly label the product to give me a choice if I buy it or not seems very reasonable unless you have an interest in covering up what is in our food. You come across as a weak pro gmo (corporate control of the marketplace) concern troll.
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  1613. Almost every other conservative state is have not and takes more than it puts in. That Texas has oil is it's only saving grace and if they did not they would be as weak economically as the rest of the states that consistently vote against their own interest. The 10 poorest states in the union all consistently vote GOP. California with all its problems is more productive than the 10 states I just mentioned added together.
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  1614. How does anyone hear thos stuff and not deeply dislike Matt? He is an infected pimple on public discorse.
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  1615. Imagine being upset for a clown known for doing ambush debates and debates against joe no one's because he was ambushed by a guy a show he follows but calls him a no one.
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  1616. Ban porn, NO, gay therapy, NO. Banning porn is a ridiculous desire that you share with the most extreme element of the religious right. That alone should make the idea a concern.
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  1617.  @dezznuts35 I have only got one but given the fact I know a few people that have gotten really sick with and without them I may consider getting the next one. Being afraid of them makes no sense, when current they do work. Like many other vaccines they become less relevant over time. That is no reason to shit on the idea of getting vaccinated. Think back to a time when you were not told to be afraid of everything, you were fine then too.
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  1618. Like a liar saying trust me these losers calling anyone beta is waves the white flag.
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  1619. You scare no one troll.
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  1620. They may be against the phrase "Obama Care" but consistently support it provision by provision , the right is good at propaganda but fail on policy. The legislation was passed with a super majority in the senate and there is zero reason it should not be law. To say otherwise is fact free, there is nothing in it that disqualifies it being law so says the supreme court. Being biased and consistently wrong is an issue though. You did imply we are not a democracy when we clearly are.
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  1621. They care more about it than these cons do, ass hats like the new speaker hate our constitution .
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  1622. It does not matter what you believe as you are clearly deluded and not well attached to reality. Homosexuality is not a disorder to anyone who actually understands what the term means. It was until it was reevaluated by modern standards and properly reclassified as there was not justification to call it a disorder outside old school bigotry. Gay people make perfectly fine parents and again your it is only your ignorance speaking that you think otherwise. I believe in freedom, you do not.
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  1623. It was, the activist right wing supreme court overturned it.
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  1624. Why does anyone care what she likes. No one votes for her.
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  1625.  @winninglifeyo  CIA Spanburger
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  1626.  @FixNewsPlease  They also think they love pedophiles, crave communism and fascism, love big corporate media, cheer for the new world order and open borders, hoping america loses. You know all those common sense left wing ideas.
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  1627. I do not agree they are shills but perhaps we define the term differently. Nice use of a reverse appeal to popularity fallacy. You do know that the fact you started with that kind of trollish spin weakens your already non existent credibility. Opinions that are attached emotion can have value when correlated with facts, it would seem you do not watch the show or were not paying attention when they share them. Either way would love to know what the term shill means in your universe.
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  1628. It is up to congress to decide, it is law. It is not up to one house to hold the country hostage to get thier way through blackmail. There is public support for almost every provision of the bill and that you ignore this truth marks you as ignorant or dishonest.
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  1629. Our puppet will be gone, you are stuck with your dictator for ever or until he croaks from old age or another more brutal clown knocks him off. That is some system they have there ... The big difference is we know our system is damaged and can work to change it, those in Russia have no option but to toe the line. One should always choose the opportunity of freedom over the slavery of oppression.
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  1630. Frank Footer Calling someone "Pocahontas" as a pejorative is a definition of a racial slur. If you do not understand this it marks your as far more stupid than anyone would randomly guess you are.
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  1631. 8 bit Quit posting the same mindless ignorant talking point over and over ....
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  1632. 2Majesties Pocahontas was not a Cherokee .. he used the name as a pejorative, this is like calling a black guy Toby.
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  1633. You are the only one who is on the side of Tyranny. Enforcing your moral standards on others is tyrannical, asking to be treated under the law like everyone else is not.
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  1634. All stupid, all the time! While doing nothing that actually helps people.
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  1635. He has gone full sellout fail ...
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  1636. It not be as wide spread that is a certainty, America pioneered the wide scale production of oil and it was because of govermernt subsidies it became as cheap and later profitable as it was. Same goes for capital investment in rail roads and power lines as without public investment the cost of getting the services off the ground would have been prohibitive from an purely investment stand point. There is always waste in any large organization, that does not mean it is a failure.
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  1637. So many can "afford" it is why it is the single largest reason for bankruptcies in the our county. Your point makes no sense and the fact is almost no one can afford to pay for a major illness themselves. It should never come down to a choice if you eat or your child dies and what you propose does just that for many.
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  1638. Our systems problems go way beyond a left right Paradigm and Obama has a great many problems that the GOP does not talk about as they share them too. We are all in the same funnel demanding we work harder while getting less while they take more. This is driven by an element of our society that does not understand what the term shared sacrifice means. A tiny part of our country has grown far richer as we have all struggled. All of our leaders are bought and paid for against our common interest.
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  1639. None of the wiki leaks stuff was propaganda unless it is propaganda to make public emails they wrote. The DNC was clearly crooked and the emails released (no matter who released them) proved that beyond any doubt. Blaming Russia because the DNC was exposed as corrupt is kind of like being mad at a whistle blower because they point out criminal actions of someone you like. We need to learn to no longer trust the DNC as it clearly does not have the voters interests at heart and instead works for their donors even if it costs them the election. We need to learn to no longer be complacent and to organize and turn out more voters to remove the corporate shills from office so we can have a leadership in the party that actually works for us. What the DNC has to learn is they can no longer be driven by donors alone and have to start listening to us the people who vote them in if they want to win.
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  1640.  @bethannesperring3482  Same reason you feel the need give empty useless critique. I thought that is what you wanted.
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  1641. Lets do shovel ready jobs fixing our infrastructure rather than shipping out oil we should b taking advantage of to china.
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  1642. Troll
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  1643. The development or deployment of tech especially in the early stage is typically very expensive and to encourage private enterprise that is in the public's interest is a valid role of government. That the product is good is not enough if it is too expensive to develop the market at the early stage of a products lifestyle and that is the case for oil. People like you would try to say government had zero role in these successful business development and it is simply not true.
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  1644. You are full of shit and are spitting talking points without merit. There is are reason conservatives hate numbers facts and anything remotely like information, it is because it almost never supports their positions. Paying a living wage would save an enormous amount in public subsidies (like food stamps), it in effect allows them to pay far less than they should for work the NEED done. No one hires someone they do not need especially the min wage employers.
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  1645. They avoid unfriendly venues unless they absolutely have to do so. They really can't stand any scrutiny at all.
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  1646. Rosanne helping you with your life is a path to hard fail with her
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  1647. TM had zero issues with the law while GZ did. This attempt to turn TM into a gang member may fly in the conservative press but does not hold water in the real world. Smoking grass is not exactly uncommon young people and it is actually now legal in couple states, The days of cons scarring people with refer madness are over. None of the "he likes hurting innocent people" spin has been validated by anyone outside your bubble. He was never charged with anything, your assertions are baseless.
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  1648. God did not do anything of the kind, and even if you actually believe that no one else is obliged to agree with you or live by what you imagine god wants.
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  1649. When I say freedom, I do not mean freedom to poison the environment or sell fraudulent investments. I mean individual freedom of expression, of thought. For consenting adults to build a family with the one they love or the freedom to control for us our own bodies. Freedom to make my own choices and this means supporting the right of those who disagree with us to express themselves. A progressive person believes these freedoms are worth fighting for against anyone who would take or deny them.
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  1650. Their smears are ever less relevant and the people who spit them have less credibility than congress and there is no bottom to how much people dislike them. They are weak and this is their only hope as they have no real arguments. I do not see this as a basis to expect they will win, in fact they lose so regularly I fail to understand why anyone fears them. If we fight them we will win as they have nothing but empty lies.
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  1651. They agree with all right wing psychotic policies including the ones Obama has in place ..
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  1652. Yes they should have the same rights as any family if they choose to get married. One of the critical bonuses you get as a married couple is taxes, this is why anyone would fight for marriage equality. That you imagine you have just shared something people do not know marks you as clueless.
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  1653. No one on earth looks to our system for lower costs because despite being rated 38th in health care we have are #1 in spending, nothing about the for profit system is cheap or efficient.To live longer a great many would choose public option as they have virtually nothing now but the constant prospect of bankruptcy because of the fact they are only human. Virtually everyone above us has universal options and they have much higher rated care than ours even in many of them private is not an option.
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  1654. The first amendment had nothing to do with this platform moderating your speech, I would be inclined to agree you should be able to say what you want but the company was not acting on legislation at that time. They were acting on behalf of their perceived fiduciary interest to moderate their content for advertisers. That is what has driven what can and could not be said to date, capitalism and a the profit motive are the source of your hassle. I have posts deleted all the time that contain no threats or "bad words", a moderation engine is looking for specific sets of words. Usually modifying what is posted to exclude them though trial and error results in the post sticking. The posts disappearing are being removed by some sort of algorithm meant to sanitize specific concepts from being shared. If you find your posts being deleted with not a peep from the site, this is why.
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  1655. Consistency or even making sense no longer a remote concern for them. Their entire identity is now wrapped up ion worshiping this colossal asshole.
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  1656. Income is a factor in the studies he cites. Single parent families tend to be far poorer than the duel parent counterparts. This factors in to the success and opportunities any given child has not to mention his environment and the people they associate with. It is a problem for a great many people and the bulk of our prison population hails from that environment.
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  1657. Buddy is clueless, if you think anyone is a "satanic" you have lost the script! Anyone saying this garbage marks themselves as from the shallow end of the gene pool. They should be dismissed as they are too stupid to talk to.
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  1658. The deep stupid of the Whitehouse chasing a tiny minority of "forced birth" votes that will never ever come to them is baffling.
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  1659.  @Hurpdurpdipidydoo  You want all morons all the time, you halfwits deserve one another. Everyone sane, with a working brain should leave the state.
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  1660. Damn that is weak stuff Hanity
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  1661.  @ConceptHut  They did not spit hateful stupid bigotry. So it not so much an issue. The parkland kids were concerned about their friends being murdered beside them not telling an adult how to parent or deal with issues they zero experience with.
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  1662. Ah come back, next you can pull out the time tested "I know you are but what am I" from preschool.
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  1663. Actually they are both insurance, they are more the same then different. The personal mandate is a right wing idea. No wonder it is the worst part about the ACA.
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  1664. What do you like about that shill tucker?
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  1665. Look at a trump rally, it is a sea of red hat wearing diabetics. The fly over states of the country are the fattest. They generally do not vote democrat.
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  1666. I am not sure where you are hearing this argument and no one here is making it. Wealth is directly tied to income and that you do not care to admit that does not do your argument better. Taxing wealth means that 90% of everyone else has more money to spend to drive the economy and that benefits everyone including business owners. Our economy flourishes when people have money to spend not when a handful have money to invest as the only reason to do that is because there is demand.
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  1667. You are the one who literally belongs to a tiny cult. You believe that you have the only answer even though there are no examples to back you up. What exactly is it that you base your completely unfounded certainty on? No one should listen to anything you clowns have to say until you offer more than catch phrases and poorly thought out plans devoid of substance. I live in reality and have the most successful system in the history as my example of success you have your imagination and ignorance.
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  1668. No I look around and see him killing Americans with drone strikes (assholes but Americans none the less) and then watch him justify it with the same kind of double speak that GB would use and I make a simple determination. That he is carrying out some of the Neo-con policies is undeniable and that he has support from frothing right wingers on fox in doing so only cements he is wrong. Anything those guys think is a good idea has to be looked at with a critical eye.
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  1669. Depends on who you ask, to me it is what viscous stunted people call you when you are acting decent to others.
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  1670.  @carjaune6793  what do you need to know?
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  1671.  @JoshuaBeaverhousen  Jimmy is part of the problem, his spin effectively empowers the DNC by spitting on the only ones opposing them.
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  1672. What are you talking about?
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  1673. Because the country is a asleep and unless the real culprites are highlighted they will continue to act with impunity no matter what we do. We need the population to know how badly the system has been corrupted and who is doing it so that we can start to make the changes necessary. Don't agree, it is not a matter for debate as the system ensures they are bought and paid for. Our leadership spends over half their time raising money for the next election. Their job is not to be bought.
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  1674. You have not counted one of my claims, that you imagine blurting your fact free garbage "proves" anything is just another in a pile of your delusions. Everything I say is backed up by the record and a challenge you to debunk anything I have shared. Don't bother trying as you can't.
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  1675. Our system is wholly corrupted by big money buying our leaders. We are forced to choose between the lesser evil. What we need to do is get this unlimited flow of money that drives campaigns out so that our leaders work for us again instead of donors. We can expect no real change from any of our elected officials until that happens.
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  1676. That is bullshit, this is brutal discrimination justifying the persecution of a underpowered minority plain and simple. The Russians have joined ranks with such forward thinking nations as those that populate northern Africa. To scape goat one minority has a history of being a very dark thing and is a giant step backwards in the march toward free speech and universal human rights.
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  1677. Listen to this foreigner talk about us being un-american for saying what we think when there is nothing more american. He is mistaken and imagines we are in Nazi Germany or Stalinist Russia where "politically commissioned officers" demanded everyone to respect the dear leader.
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  1678. And regulate the job creators they are taught to empower about their own safety or wealth.
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  1679.  @michaelmedhat25  Gay marriage is simply adults having freedom to marry who they choose to, pretending gay marriage is an issue that hurts anyone is deeply stupid. The right contains ISIS and backward fucks that would drag us into the bronze age, your spin is moronic.
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  1680.  @michaelmedhat25  The right literally contains ISIS and all fact free fundamentalists. You are politically aligned with most counter factual clowns on earth. This undermines your claim to logic or rational thinking. The "Arabs" you point at are deeply conservative, just like the fact free anti science evangelicals you stand beside. Your spin is diametrically wrong and the facts do not care about your feelings.
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  1681. So your argument is buying the politicians saved them? Is bribery somehow what makes our country work and with out it? Nice one, love to see you people saying that stuff out loud as it only alienates you even more from the majority.
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  1682. Hate speech literally was the opening volley of a program used to herd people into gas chambers. Hate speech is real but I do not think we need laws for it. When assholes use these dog whistles they need to be called out for the backward douches they are. I want these clowns saying what they think because it is easier to pick out a backward asshole if they clearly tell you what they are.
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  1683. None of that should be tied to the budget, Reid has not propose one because the rethugs filibuster almost everything nothing can get done. They rejected a ransom note demanding changes and requests that have no place in the budget and that the republicans have zero mandate to make. There should be no negotiating as long as they are acting like terrorists, the dems have sadly caved time and again and it has only made the GOP more intransigent, demanding and insane. We know who is causing this.
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  1684. He is very typical of anyone who defends the potions he does, facts are not really on his side.
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  1685.  @stephentoth6003  It is not because he left TYT. It is not because of who he interviews. It is the spin he wraps around it. If he was just another right winger that would be one thing but he pretends to be on the left or in the center and that is an overt lie based on what he says. He babbles about free speech but does not actually value it push comes to shove. He goes on about college kids banning speech but overtly ignores that the right has consistently tried crush speech they do not like as a matter of standard policy. He only attacks only the left in a dishonest and partisan way in service to a narrative that is think tank constructed for a target audience to feed them red meat. He is a paid propagandist with no principles and even the ones he pretends to have are conditional on if they are good for him and his new masters. I have heard all the arguments he and the shills he brings on make and there is nothing I repeat nothing that is new from this sellout. He is loath sum because abandoned what he once stood for in service to fat paycheck and that makes him despicable in my mind.
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  1686. A 10 or 11 year old should not be having sex if their parents are actually caring for them. But if they had sex and are concerned they are pregnant it is probably better they do have access rather than have a child while they are still babies themselves. This kind of product should not be restricted and that a couple 11 or 12 year old's may procure it does no invalidate the 1000 of potential abortions or unwanted children will result by restricting it.
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  1687. She never claimed that ... when you just make up the story you look clueless.
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  1688. My numbers include war spending which is tacked on top as a supplemental. I do not think we need to go that far, we should address the problems and not throw the baby out with the bath water. What we really need to do is get the influence of money out of politics and stop the legal purchase of our elected officials in both parties. At that point we can expect our government to start working for us instead of the highest bidder, I mean donor.
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  1689. The third party and primary voting is also important work that needs to continue. That does not mean this should not happen in tandem. Pushing individual leaders and holding others to account are completely necessary but this bi partisan action against the corruption in our system can occur in parallel. This is not an either/or situation. That you have valid questions not quickly answered does not mean there is not a valid response to each one if we take the time to ask them.
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  1690. He did not offer us progress. He increased our deficient from 700 billion to 3 trillion and set the policies that have led to the greatest income inequality in our history. He sold weapons to terrorists hoping to get back hostages and then gave that money to other terrorists he agreed with. He cut taxes and then raised them 11 times. Running up the deficit, capitulating and supporting terrorists, raising taxes, Reagan could not win a republican primary for dog catcher today.
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  1691.  @lukullberg955  That is not the progressives fault. I would argue that the Centrists have handed the GOP that power, they are paid to lose and spit on their base. How on earth do you manage to blame the Justice dems for this?
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  1692.  @jebbush6657  You are not engaging in conversation, that you are acting aggrieved is why you get the same tone you bluster out back. Crying about what you bring onto yourself is pathetic. They are attacking her because she did not make the same tactical decisions of questionable quality that you have been told to demand. Pro genocide? Get your head out of your ass. Using the word this way makes you look as fact free as any right winger that does not know what communism is. Context always matters, the bill in question did fund the police but that is not a blanket failure as the money was allocated for more training and support to address police violence. A unilateral call to defund the police is not what the defund the police movement is about. It is about better allocation of funds, that is why it the slogan is of questionable value at best. Your spin only empowers stasis, in your ignorance you attack the only the people who even kind of agree with what you say you want. You appear to be a useful idiot for monsters who want to change nothing.
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  1693. They are uninformed because fox is not even trying to inform.
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  1694. They also support dictators and jailing people who speak out against them, not exactly a model society.
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  1695. Dave Rubin is a joke, hei is a "free speech absolutist" that is against legal protest he likes.
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  1696.  @Dos_Caffeine  No one knows what side you are on here .. your post is ambiguous.
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  1697. More bullshit from the fact free fringe. They want the rights to say who they are without being punished by those who would crush them if they could. There will be homosexuals no matter what and crushing freedom never "got rid" of them in the past and it will not work now. No one should give a fuck what you imagine "normal" is as it just means bigot when you say it.
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  1698. It is actually a a patent issue, copyright law is very literal and it takes no effort in software to bypass those rules.
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  1699. It is not a leap of logic to imagine you define that term differently than the majority.
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  1700. They are identity focused fringe dwellers who are arguing against mandates long established in the country during pandemic as a point of some kind of bizarre and never had right. It is empty populist sounding cover for overt regressives who crush rights of any "other" in their eyes as a focus and standard
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  1701.  @wolf2966  They are hideous to me, only marginally attractive physically but their persona gives them the equivalent of a perfume that smells like rotting meat.
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  1702. At that point your concerns are invalid. She will no longer be a 12 year old then.
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  1703. The platform is a recipe to empower the richest among us even further at the vast majorities expense. It is almost like it is being driven by billionaires who have shown the have zero concern for anyone's interests but theirs, wait that is exactly what is happening. You can thank the Koch brothers for all of your talking points and your "movement". It is pretty clear most of you have no clue what would happen if you got what you are asking for, it is not your prosperity it ensures only theirs.
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  1704. Ya it is a myth that giving the super rich more money does anything but make them richer. Give the same amount of tax cuts back to the middle class and all of it will be pumped back into the economy generating money for owners and jobs for everyone. Give it to the super rich and there is no demand created at all as they will just sit on it or invest it where it does not flow back into our system. Any solution to our deficit has to include revenue, the rich should pay what they recently did.
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  1705. It is not government interference to extend a special legal status to people who choose to form a family by entering into the contract with all its advantages socially, economically and of a personal nature. As long as law has any say on property regulation this type of family contract has to be he providence of the state even if religion has no part of it. This lawful status is being denied, it is not the state that is the the problem but group who want to impose their version of faith on all.
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  1706. I believe you can look up what was proposed in Texas. There is link to it on wolf-pac. c o m/texas. You should really look around and get some information on this idea before attacking it. You will quickly see that is just not wolfpac that is pushing this idea and there are more players out there working on this valid solution. The idea behind it is sound and it completely end runs the corrupt process that has its hands around the throat of Washington.
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  1707. Where did you get your info? They most certainly did have unemployment in the great depression and it was painfully high. Between 14 and 19% is high by any standard. As far as people you can trust, it is time to make some new friends as the people you hang around with sound like douches.
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  1708.  @iamdanyboy1  We need people that stand up for us not monsters owned by the highest bidder. There is ZERO chance of Nancy's seat going republican and no reason to give it back to her. I would argue the corporate democrats are all actually fringe based on the policy they back against what the base wants. There is no way to spin these right wing shills as anything but failures, time to stop propping corruption up with your talking points.
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  1709. I do not agree, individual choice is something we support too. I do not support the banning as a solution and most progressives I know agree. When it comes to children that is another matter and banning certain of products being sold in schools or promoting a healthier life style for them just makes sense. I do not agree with Bloomberg or the anti porn people but these are not progressive crusades even as you associate them with us. I have no issues speaking for individual rights to anyone.
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  1710. Banning hate speech is an attempt to protect individuals and groups from attack and an attempt to build hate against them. I personally say give them rope and let him hang themselves with it but do not vilify the attempts to curtail the worst offenders who incite blind hatred of others. Banning violent porn is the same kind of thing but neither of these two limitations harm the individual freedom to think what ever you want but are focused on limiting the ability to spread them to others.
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  1711. If you say so, there is precedence for what I am saying and you can imagine the standard is the same in civil court as criminal. If you want to compare the records of the plaintiff and the victim TM will kick the wanna be cops ass. That you imagine that comparison will come out in GZ's side is a result of your extreme bias. Your legal opinion means less than nothing.
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  1712. Imagine going in public and saying something so stupid with no trace of irony. She should consider wearing a walking helmet, she clearly can not afford another head injury.
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  1713. At the federal level they still represent their areas just as much as they do at the state level. A federal leader has to keep his state happy or he will not be reelected the same way as at state. You need a better reason to declare big is not good than the ones you have shared. The elements the federal government control are meant to be common and above state control to gain efficiency and consistency across the union. There is a lot of room for improvement but no reason to scale it back.
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  1714. Who is surprised? Denis is poorly disguised Nazi at this point.
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  1715. I am way beyond feeling sorry for shills that are exposed as know nothing empty frauds.
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  1716. I agree, letting these clowns say what ever they want unanswered is not being above the fray it is letting them direct the narrative.
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  1717. Thanks, you might be surprised I get that a lot :).
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  1718. Why ask this thumb with a head about how pervasive an event is that he has never encountered personally. His experience is a focused on his preconceptions and nothing else.
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  1719. Targeted masogony is hatred of a specific woman becuase she is a woman. I have not seem him open up on any other male TYT hosts besides cenk yet. Jimmy is a dihonest angry sounding stain that only attacks left. If you are a right wing goof I could see how his 'open mind' would appeal to you.
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  1720. Robbing from the rich is the greatest Crime in Ben's head. He thinks only those who work for a living should be fleeced.
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  1721. You have no idea what we think, that you worship your leaders does not mean we do you ignorant clown. We do not agree with Obama continuing any of the debacles Bush started but there is nothing to do about it. Voting for cons would only mean more of the same plus all the other painfully stupid polices they do support. Your leader did not even put the wars on the budget an ran bigger deficits than Obama is if you include his wars.
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  1722. It is not clear you know what propaganda is
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  1723.  @RSW552  My apologies, you do know.
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  1724. Carville made his fame acting as a weak voice on the left for fox hosts to beat up. No one should take what he thinks seriously.
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  1725. You just said one 1/3 now it is 50%, Has this burden increased or decreased their value or holdings. I have the answer for you it has increased as we fell back or remained at best flat. The EFFECTIVE taxes for the rich are the lowest of any developed nation and when you babble about them being highest you are spitting billionaire talking points of zero merit. These clowns can afford to step up without pain but are buying our leaders at a fraction of what they get back from them to do it.
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  1726. Because he just kicked your ignorant ass.
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  1727. Without watching the vid the answer is simple, they are paid not to learn them. Their failures are the feature not the bug.
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  1728. Trump is in the running
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  1729. This guy is sadly deluded. It is hard to watch him run so blind.
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  1730.  @InternetChatter  The Canadian Trumpists would include Canada's version of Nazi's, the Nazi's vote for Trump in the US too. Just saying.
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  1731. Shrug, I can not speak to that you would know better than me. There is nothing superior about our system unless you have unlimited money to throw at it. Health care is the number #1 reason for bankruptcies in our country and as long as you do not get really sick or have unlimited money in your pocket our system rocks. Your anecdotal story aside the most of those systems consistently rate higher than ours.
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  1732. Nothing TM ever did is relevant to why GZ will pay once they go to civil court. Smoking pot, getting in fights, these are things most of the 17 year olds have at least touched on. Nothing about this uncharged teenagers record justifies a vigilante randomly chasing him down and forcing a confrontation where he get to use his loaded gun, Not sure why you include sharpton he won't be involved in the trial.
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  1733. Bad argument again. That our earning a full time minimum wage leaves you well below the poverty line is an issue. It decreases the buying power of a everyone who does these jobs and directly puts that money into the hands of the people who are not working for it. It effectively undermines our economy by decreasing demand which in turn reduces the number of jobs available. Our economy runs on the back of middle class and poor and anything that reduces their income hurts it.
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  1734. She does, she his one of the most substantive senators we have. Calling out trumps slander is a good side note and if it got a donation for a native woman's shelter that would be a nice bonus.
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  1735. He would not be worrying about any children with cancer if the repugs were not trying to kill health care reform which will cost far more lives if they win. The child's blood is on their hands, when hostages are taken they have to realize people get hurt. As the terrorists it is all their fault.
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  1736. I have not seen anything to indicate there is a way to change our system without addressing the driver of everything that is going wrong. The fact is our leaders spend at least 30% of their time (and many spend more) raising money for their next election. They live in sea of donors and only tend to do well if they can attract significant money. This is the root issue with our system and there is very little that can be done that would match the effectiveness of doing this one thing.
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  1737. As you argue we should not be educating our populace in fear of indoctrination you would gleefully see your ideas made the law of the land. It is not that they are "Brainwashing" anyone it is that they do not share your particular and narrow view of the world. We are not talking about children here and idea's learned here are meant to give you critical thinking skills. Adult education is not a tool of indoctrination in the west even as you baseless assert it is for purely partisan reasons.
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  1738. Perhaps he thought he was a gay rapist, it is not a slight on gay people to not like the guy you suspect is gay who is chasing you. It would not be a hate crime to attack Zimmerman who was chasing him if he feared for his safety, which may have made sense if he was afraid Zimmerman stalking him for gay sex as you seem to assert. I never said anything about racist, I said he was a vigilante who made poor choices that led to the death of a teen. GZ caused this and is likely civilly liable.
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  1739. She wanted to see him fired when Trump was in. This more useless pontificating that makes you look like a selfish monster.
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  1740. Someone has to call out these losers and I am ok doing it until I find something better to do or they wander off to troll somewhere else.
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  1741. It is equally of opertunity that we fight for and that you do not respect or understand. That the right is autocratic and insists on everyone marching lock step with the group who yells loudest or has the most sticks does not make it right. Discrimination is what you are arguing in favor of and you can not say freedom of choice will harm anyone except in your imagination. The woman in the UK are welcome to it, but it is better they make that choice then let those like you force it onto them.
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  1742. You people continue to be a clueless as expected, never once has a democrat put people out of work and shut down the system to make a political point that has nothing to do with the budget. The clowns you support are not doing their jobs and that you expect the dems to cave every time these losers throw a tantrum is only because they always do. People know who caused this and no amount of spin from the right wing bubble is going to fool anyone but coolaid drinkers like you.
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  1743. Your assertions about what a better minimum wage does have no basis in the real word. There are real examples of where it is higher and none of the doom and gloom spin you spit has come to pass there. Paying a higher minimum wage does nothing but put more money in the hands of the that need it most, the working poor. Companies like Walmart make huge profits while paying as little as they possibly can, their lobbyists write the talking points you share in every post.
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  1744. It really was, his strong misguided convictions murdered him. His media choices literally took him out.
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  1745.  @kayzinzin7018  Your expectations of what they could achieve and what it would cost them is not realistic. The focus of your spin attacks the only people you purport to agree with a goal to end up with nothing I guess. That someone does not make the same tactical decisions you do does not mean they are sold out. That they may have a different perspective than you and do not agree with what you assert would be achieved does not make them sold out. You are much to much like a diametrical republican for your own good. It is the reason they too cut off their nose to spite their face due to a lack of perspective and a reliance on feelings. You need to accept the fundamental truth that progressives do not have enough power to do anything but tweak around the margins. The progressive caucus is not entirely made up of progressives and is really only 8 strong at most. That you expect a revolution with 8 against the rest in congress with the almost all the senate on the other side is mindless. Your fail is you mistake anyone not agreeing with your tactical choices as selling out. It is not true and is just hyperbolic pointless nonsense that serves stasis and the status quo as you spread it.
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  1746. Great?
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  1747.  @justinrieffer8126  Loser!
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  1748. The keystone is not about energy independence, it is about shipping oil to china. It is about enriching a tiny group of the richest most powerful people in our society while giving us very little. The tired more jobs mantra has been shown to be bullshit and none of the valid concerns being raised mitigated. There is zero reason for anyone that is not a profiting oil exec to support this who is not clueless or a shill.
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  1749. That is only because Ireland had specifically lowered taxes to draw people into the county and they were there for no other reason, that is not the case with the US. When they proposed raising them companies left as they had no reason to remain there as there were only there for low taxes in the first place as a dodge. Your choices are false ones that can be mitigated with good policy that rewards good employment behavior and punishes bad. In any case paying taxes is something to be expected.
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  1750. RIght wing clowns consistaltly redinfe words on behalf of overt corruption. Tucker is a liar and a thief.
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  1751. The idea we are now mercenaries means we should be bringing these people home. The fact is it is costing us more than they pay and the days of us acting like a protection racket has to end.
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  1752. The cost of welfare is a 12% of our entire budget and the military is 50%. Military spending accounts for fully half our budget, if we take it out we no only have no deficit we would have a gigantic surplus. If we were to military spending by 40% we would balance the budget. We could cut all welfare and not come close. If you are not a republican you are someone who has been deluded by their talking points and really need to get your fact strait before sharing your views.
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  1753. Libertarian minded people are the first to take advantage of something like patents to create a monopoly.
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  1754. I never bothered worried about ads before ... these CRTV ads are so annoying I am considering ad blocker.
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  1755. I don't fucking care about buddy ok, crushing the epa has nothing to do with his freedom and everything to do with the likes of the Koch brothers to pollute with impunity. There have been miscarriages of justice in the past in the legal system does not mean we should get rid of it, ridiculous. Like I said there is a way for them to address these rulings in a grievance process and there is no reason to throw out a system that is proven necessary because of a couple bad rulings.
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  1756. Right wingers are consistently cry baby snowflakes who pretend anything that is not that is not status quo is equal to the the end of everything.
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  1757. A shoe in? Only if you love abject failure. I can't believe anyone looks at where we are and think damn we need more of that!
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  1758.  @whyamimrpink78  Same everywhere. That does not change that without social distancing and or the precautions our hospitals would be over run and the death counts much much higher. Our.numvers.continue to be horror show and are now as dishonest as china's thanks to captain bone spurs and h9s band billionaire ghouls.
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  1759.  @TTony-tu6dm  The Republicans are offering NOTHING, why choose them because biden is also not for M4A?
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  1760.  @whyamimrpink78 That it is very contagious is not a revelation nor is it in contention. New York early on is what the whole nation would have been like. We do not have to count on any studies to know what happens with no social distancing or precautions in place. We have real world example where hospitals were over run and were beyond capacity.
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  1761.  @whyamimrpink78 Overflowing is the problem. They have capacity balanced to planned loads based on average anticipated demand, covid completly destroys that system.
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  1762. They do not vote republican in any numbers, so perhaps the reason some do is the fact there are really stupid people in every population.
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  1763. The whole government raising the cost as a next step is tin foil hat nonsense. The only one who really wins in our system ins the unnecessary and undefinable insurance companies who do nothing but add a middle tear to our health care system that offers no value to the consumers. Medicare is cheaper and provides care to people who are far more expensive to maintain at much better costs. Unless you are rich or sell insurance there is nothing laudable about the private for profit insurance system.
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  1764. You do not drive your jobs by your tax rate and do not hire a single person you do not need. If you do not need someone you will let them go if you do you will continue to pay them no matter what your tax burden is. The argument that going back to 2000 era taxes will hurt business is fact free as they were doing just fine back then. If you are running at such tight margins a point or 2 of tax rate determines if you make it or not pack it up as you are done anyway.
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  1765.  @ish7957  I see it as wholly counter productive and does not have a "what comes next" built into it besides throwing up your hands and going home if they do not get their way. I see the spin as a tool of stasis to break support away from progressive leaders by adopting an absolutist position. This has appeal to some of those those fed up with the slow speed of change and the incrementalist do nothing nature of establishment leadership. It feels like is a ploy to peel away support from our first set of progressive leadership. It undermines support of specific leaders with an audience that agrees with the goals of those they now choose to demonize on a matter of style over substance.
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  1766. Because there is no profit in it off the bat and no one will fund these types of important research. So many of the advances that we count on every day came about only because of government investment in research. We are all richer, more comfortable and better connected because of them.
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  1767. Why do people feel the need to announce they are leaving? Just so you know no one cares.
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  1768. You make it sound like he had a choice, he did not. The other choice was to allow them all to end and let taxes go up on in the middle class at a time all agree it would hurt the recovery. He continued them as they were because the radically partisan Congress would give him nothing else to sign. We have no new boots on the ground so what wars were added? Obama is not everything I would ask him to be but at least he is not a blatant corporate robot whose solution to every problem is a tax cut.
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  1769. I did say it was a compromise it was either raise taxes on the middle class or extend it for everyone including the richest, congress assured that. It was the only choice congress left for the President. He could have vetoed but that would have hurt the country even more than piling on more debt to give billionaires extra cash to throw on the pile.
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  1770. So your answer is we do not even try to do this because there are issues? We can not do it because the corperatociracy will try to stop us and could co-opt it? I got it you are afraid, go home put your hands over your head and wait it out. Other people are going to fight this fight on your behalf anyway. This is not a partisan issue and the fact it will not be easy is no reason to walk away from the very real challenges that you point out and that an undertaking of this scale naturally entails.
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  1771. M&M's toned down the sexuality of their candy mascots as part of a new advertising push.. Tucker snapped because he really liked the "sexy" version of the M&M more and was mad they took the "hot one" out of the line up..
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  1772.  @andyjackson3414  Smile.
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  1773.  @selfishcapitalist3523  I am speaking of a real and constantly damaging constituency that has gamed the system. All billionaires are not responsible for this, all can afford to pay more taxes. I have nothing against the wealthy, they simply can afford to pay more tax. I see no reason why those who have far less should carry them.
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  1774.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Who says everyone does not have the right to life liberty or the pursuit of happiness? Billionaires paying a few more points on taxes does not step on that.
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  1775.  @selfishcapitalist3523  The richest all do, the banks, hedge fund weasels, investment groups, they all get bailed out while writing your soft brained talking points about boot straps.
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  1776.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Your party loves bail outs as long as normal people do not get the money.
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  1777.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Tell that to the people you vote for. They hand out money to the rich while pretending they agree with you.
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  1778.  @selfishcapitalist3523  They all take advantage of systematic loop holes put in place to enrich them and rob us. Capitalists have no issue taking money from the government, they do not care where money comes from. Capitalism 101
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  1779.  @selfishcapitalist3523  The problem is it is only legal because buying our leadership has been validated as legal. They are paying for their advantage to be systemized and have been doing so since Reagan. We now live in a state where what is legal is not necessarily what is right. Your defense or corporate socialism and crony capitalists stacking the deck has NO value. If you were principled you could not defend our broken tax system or billionaires writing their own personal loop holes endless deductions and bail outs even as an avowed capitalist.
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  1780.  @selfishcapitalist3523 Where have you been? What is the color of the sky in your world. It is like you do not live on the same planet as us. The oligarhs are fighting to lower capital gains tax, kill the estate tax and raise sales taxes as we speek. Main stream media owned by the same greedy monsters tries call the estate tax a death tax. They try to scare ignorant people that it effects them when very few americans pay it. 2.7 millon people died in 2019, an estate tax return wasl only be filed for about .015 of decendence, only 0.07 payed any estate tax. Anyone lobbying to dust it is either an oligarch or a simp for oligarchs. The capital gains tax is fundementally lower than tax earned on actual sweat and toil. Siiting on your ass is more highly valued than working becvause lobbiests have been writing tax law for decades. They have consistantely cut it over and over at the behest of the donors who do not woirk and primarlly make thier money that way. Seems like the oly's are have been moving the line nicely. You left of slashing the corperate tax rate as an example of what they would do. Probably because Trump just did that for the oligarhes and multinationals in his last term. Pretending these assholes have not been systemically attempting to to transfer ever more taxation into sales and other regressive tax is deeply ignorant. That is exactly what they have done over the last 40 years.
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  1781.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Nonsense, people have rejected bigotry and the spin that was once standard in our society. In the same way gay people or anyone steped out of line once were cancelled the establishment now rejects what you stand for because it is ever more socially unpopular. Nothing much has changed except the standard that is applied. This is not a left wing standard but as it has always been an establishment one. The actual left is still cancelled like it always has been by the establishment spin. I am personally cool with canceling bigots and monsters who hate the freedom of others for good feels. That we once did not do so is the failure not that we have started. That you whine about the same tactics the group you stand with still gleefully employes undermines the veracity your concern. You are not against cancel culutre and never have been, you are against it when it is applied to you and yours. You dislike like the fact you feel you are losing the social support to marginalize groups you viscerally dislike.
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  1782.  @selfishcapitalist3523  Correct, so blaming the left for anyone being canceled is fools spin. It is a lie that pretends they are in control and not the establishment which has far more in common with right econmically than they ever will with the left.
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  1783.  @selfishcapitalist3523  It might be argued they are center left socially, they are clearly perdomintaly right wing econmically. All of the social items you list they champoin cost them no money and that is why they climb on board with ideas that are now main stream with those they market to. Before when we were more insular as nation they promoted racism, disparaged cultiural diverisity, crushed individial rights of woman and other out of power communites. These "left wing ideas" are now popular and cost free, they appeal to a larger constuency or market they promote to just like when they pushed bigotted ones. They are playing the exact same game, they have just swapped out hands for policy that costs the rich nothing. We have had central goverment for a long time. It is not a left or right wing phenmonia as both factions consistnatly apply it. Ecomomic interverntialism is consistatly more right wing than left. I would argue that the right enjoys much more satisfaction from our brand of economic interventionalism than does left. It has been proping up policy that empowers the rich first and has for a long time. Climate change has been made into a political issue by corperations who promote the status quo because it empowers them. The corporate spin is being parroted by leaders on both sides because they have been bought. You are not esposing a right wing argument by attacking the idea of addressing climate change, you are pushing crony corporatist one.
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  1784. They were holding the middle class hostage, a proposal was made to extend the tax cuts for 95% of the population but in defense of their owners. They let them all fail rather than do something that was popular and might give Obama some points. The GOP allowed nothing, there was no element of the taxes being raised that was under their control and they shot down proposals that mitigated it for most. If you think Obama has not mentioned the economy you simply have not being paying attention.
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  1785. She does not care about her "brothers and sisters", she spits neo con nonsense that puts them in danger. Her empty bigotry puts our soldiers at risk as has informed our policy that has seen American blood spilled over nonsense. She is a shill, a dishonest, no principle, sellout clown.
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  1786. I still do not see it as any kind of mistake despite the troll spin.
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  1787. Kleptopolarbear I think the Cherokee groups who are complaining should be far more concerned about Trumps behavior and rhetoric than Warrens. That I only hear them complaining about Warren destroys any credibility they have with me. It won't matter because the outrage is 100% fake.
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  1788. Kleptopolarbear I am just tired of the perfect being the enemy of the good from the left empowering the right which embraces cancer. There are some elements we need to hold our leaders feet to the fir on but this is not one of them. This is big non issue in the scheme of things and I do not expect it to carry very far even as the right will still virtue signal pretending to care about imagined lies by citing straw men and then mix it with racist taunts going forward.
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  1789. Kleptopolarbear Fair, I agree we are defined as different from cons by our ability to be critical of not just those we disagree with but those we like as well. I too have my issues with Warren, this was not one of them is all. I may have over stated my objection to your valid observation and I do understand your point and agree that the oppositions ideas are not sustainable or actually popular. Upon reflection I see that the tone of my response is attached to a growing frustration with many of those those I would consider allies as we agree on a great deal because I see them cutting off their nose to spite their face in the name of being critical. This not me calling for anyone to give up that tendency because it that focus which will be key to forcing our entire leadership into line. That being said I would suggest we really need to try to aim the bulk of our objections on the roaring fire at center of our concerns rather than stamping on the edges represented by leaders who we agree are actually aligned with us because we smell some smoke.
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  1790. Kleptopolarbear We agree completely but I will add one more salient point. No matter what, cycle after cycle we should continue target in primaries those democrats who will not bend to support the polices Americans have said they want on behalf of donors. Our leaders need to be shown over the next few cycles what it means to ignore their actual responsibilities in the primary to refocus the traditional establishment democrats incentives and priorities.
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  1791. These are all talking points right out of the fact free bubble. No one has any interest in killing a child and that you imagine anyone does shows you to be deluded. When you spread lies like you seem to be happy to do you are part of the problem. If you want different services than what is provided by care you purchased then you should go buy on the private market where you can choose the type of care you want and pay for it. The provision lays out what they will cover, insurance does the same.
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  1792. Nothing in the republican plan does anything for children with cancer and ALL of their efforts harm that group. They will not negotiate as with regard tot he ACA they have already done that with the republicans and should not be forced to adjudicate this with the minority every time the budget comes up. That you think the rights demands are reasonable says far more about you than it does the validity of your spin. They do want to "gut" it, in fact they voted to do so 37 times. Get a clue.
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  1793. AwkwardRenegade does not know what a debate bro is, that you quote him means you do not appear to either.
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  1794. Is that a real question? That they can find a token hispanic that plays ball and they can nominate does not mean anything. It does not change their policy and legislative choices which tell a much clearer story of who they are than your spin does.
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  1795. People like her are no large constituency, a non issue.
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  1796. I have not and am not proposing that. The people who get "Free" stuff are living well below a standard most Americans consider valid. Health care made cheaper by eliminating the middle man that is insurance companies is not remotely the socialist hell you dream it is. Every country who rates better than has at least a public option. I have no idea what you are talking about with the trash bullshit because as far as I know that work still gets done in places with affordable health care options.
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  1797. Time for the family to sue the Police for millions .. they need to understand that they can not treat citizens this way.
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  1798. The can pass what ever they want but if they hold the country hostage until laws they do not like are repealed when they do not have the support of the majority or elected officials then it is the minority dictating policy. The are not asking for compromise on the budget they are insisting their hostage demands are met. To do so by the dems is not compromise it is capitulation. If they really want to attack the ACA they should win some elections and do it then.
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  1799. True but it is enough to start prosecuting those who just collapsed our economy. The real answer is to get legal money out of politics but highlighting how and who is corrupting it and caused the in the first place is an excellent way to mobilize support for that effort. The problem is not the voters but the system and until we reform it most have no option to vote in good replacements. You do not arrest criminals to fix thins but to punish their crimes, fixing the problem is another issue.
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  1800. Do not have to admit anything of the kind as it is not true. How did it fail. You literally have no clue what you are talking about.
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  1801. We could put regulation around the service to make it the public utility in private hands and regulate it's standard access for all like we do phones. We do not need to nationalize it but we should be changing the rules so that it is not regulated by corporate needs but speech rights.
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  1802. It is not the cost of medicade or and medicare that pad our costs as 17% of gdp it is our broken for profit driven system with a player who makes money and offers zero value. If we had a system remotely similar to any of the developed nations at our current spending rate we would have the capital to have system free for all that would be second to none. The huge budget already allocated is affordable and your spin that we need to have a system more akin to a 3rd world country is a weak one.
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  1803. Ok, I will give you that one. Other than the moon then.
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  1804. Popularity has no link to creditability, Bill O'Reilly is proof of that.
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  1805. Ya, everyone and their brother is talking about it. This is like buying a star or space on the moon, it is a gag gift and anyone that thinks otherwise is really dopey and deserves to have money taken. .
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  1806.  @Fragenzeichenplatte  I don't, but I do not buy anything intangible and useless. If you need someone to tell you this was a novelty and not real you are simple. Pretty stupid of you. YOU calling anyone dopey as you defend the morons who thought they were bying a real title and need a buyer beware sticker is pretty funny.
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  1807. Twain lived in a different time where a great many people never got education. We are past that and live in the information age, if Luddites like yourself had their way we would not have the computers you are typing on. If actually you look at the crowd you belong to today it does not represent the best and brightest among us and is populated my morons who think their gut trumps reason.
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  1808. You are a shill, corporate taxes being lowered has done nothing for workers in the last 10 years but make the CEO's far richer.
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  1809. Because fox news in propaganda .. not a valid source unless it can be verified by a third party without a clear proven interest in spreading misinformation about the subject in the question.
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  1810. Just more money for them .. doing it for the elites is not enough. They want the cash going to the military too.
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  1811.  @muscularclassrepresentativ5663  Probably should.
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  1812. what the fuck is wrong with the morons cheering. it is a fucking amazing failure by a great many morons. republicans health care plan die quickly.
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  1813. The Kraken is made of self righeous ignorance.
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  1814. This trump like deflection is weak. This asshole does not value democracy and no one should be talking to him.
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  1815. In their defense, they are really stupid.
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  1816. It is pretty clear you have no idea what you are talking about. If you want to talk about clueless you do not have to go very far into the cess pool of the right to find it. There is a shrinking group of pretty clueless people voting for Mitt "corporations are people too" Romney as well. They are are cutting their own economic throats to give the GOP's real sponsors a few more million a year to spend on car elevators for the mansions they just build on top of the mansions they just tore down.
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  1817. This is projection pure and simple. Because conservatives consistently march lock step with their leaders they expect passionate progressives to be the same way. The fact is most of us have no issue pointing out when we think Obama cross as line but that does not mean we are about to jump ship to the libertarians with whom we share the respect for personal liberty but loath their economics or republicans with whom we share nothing.
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  1818. How is that obvious? It was the banks who bought and paid for Washington that caused the issue to happen and thought up the solution enacting it by paying our leaders to sell out. To cut them slack is to ignore the root of the problem.
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  1819. ​ @iii___iii when you quote judge Judy unironically you show yourself to be in the shallow end of human intelect. Your assumptions here are based on nothing but your fragile bad media choce identity
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  1820. ​ @arnettabdul-majied2533 not playing to old school bigotry, they want to go back.
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  1821.  @MontrealNorth  even if true, does not mean you should try to create a verson of it here on earth.
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  1822.  @danwelterweight4137  Depends on what church you are talking about. There are 'Christian' churches that preach prosperity doctrine. They are not all the same. Your preferred version may be inclusive and welcoming.others are xenophobic and reject non believers. These standards are a reflection of the congregations outlook. That I find them objectionable does not mean I get to claim the version I prefer is the correct one. There is no definitive iteration of any faith, unfortunatly none can claim actual primacy.
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  1823. You are done Eliot, you never cared about your voters and you hot miked yourself out of a job. Democracy is not served by another term for you.
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  1824. DeSantis is a wanna be totalitarian, he is repressive, backwards and does not value any freedom but his own.
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  1825. He never said you should go to jail, he sits the system should be structurally desinged though taxation thst it does not happen. Being rich is not punishable.
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  1826. I know who gave to him and attacking him for coddling the big banks is something we should agree on. I do not ignore anything about this subject and see no conflict in supporting some polices while attacking Obama when he is culpable in both parties selling us to corporate interests. You have me confused with a deluded bush follower, I do not have to be a fan of Obama to demand your criticisms are at the very least valid. I no more trust Obama than I do you, I make my own call based on facts.
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  1827. Ya pumping unknown toxic chemicals into the ground to fracture the ground releasing trapped gas probably has down side and you think we should not even be concerned they do it let alone regulate their efforts. Your fracking defense would be funny if it were not so sad and misinformed. Development of tech has ALWAYS required subsidies but we should be focusing that money on new tech not old. Every bureaucracy has waste, that does not invalidate the valuable service it provides.
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  1828. You have no idea what you are talking about. They are not even talking about anything that would do what you are concerned about. Get informed.
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  1829. She forgets she was supposed to be campaigning against trump.
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  1830. Except your doing it so the ultra rich can pay a couple points less on their taxes so they can invest more in china. Screw that we are paying for a tiny group who already owns half our country to get even richer while everyone else gets poorer.
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  1831.  @finnholmquist7561  Charlie is not educated in any way though, except some master class's in gifting I suppose.
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  1832. And as usual the clowns with spin like yours can not give one example of how he is being dishonest. You look weak and stupid with spin this empty and bad. You are like a toddler challenging someone to fight .. impossible to take seriously.
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  1833. You are a liar or a shill. There is no other way to describe you, none of your points are remotely true and are fact checked with a quick Google search. One plan left millions without insurance and it is not the ACA.
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  1834. I said the majority of minimum wage job earners are woman, that is completely different. Giving low and middle class families more money in their pockets directly goes to the economy. You need to understand the number of jobs is NEVER related to the cost of wages but the demand for product. No one hires extra people they do not need because they are cheap. Hiring people has nothing to do with their cost and everything to do with a requirement to fill the position, this is a fact is in stone.
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  1835. That is bullshit, rewarding the wealthy who are already there while passing the burden to everyone else creates nothing but richer rich people while no one else shares in the prosperity. That is exactly what has occurred to us over the last 40 years. One segment is doing very well while the rest of us sit a standstill and your big idea is to give the only ones who are cleaning up more to fix the problem,
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  1836. No, just anti slaughter while you cheer it on.
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  1837. The taxes you pay are less then what you pay the insurance company, the sum benefit goes to you. This also has the advantage of the system that is focused on health care instead of making profit for a useless third party scooping off the top in the system. That anyone fights to give an insurance companies that offers 0 value to the entire process of your health care while costing you more never ceases to amaze me.
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  1838. Now onto abortion, wow you can't keep the car on the road. I will only fight with you on 4 or 5 subjects at a time. The subject of abortion is outside the purview of our discussion.
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  1839. She is one of those unfortunate people who are ugly both outside and inside.
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  1840. That human marshmallow is a sack of child murdering shit.
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  1841. You clowns that call anyone you do not agree with communist are brain dead losers.
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  1842. Where are people murdered in the street? Fill me in, what news channel are you watching anyway? I do work, I pay taxes and then if I get sick I would not like to be bankrupted by something I can not control just like it works for you. You keep calling me a murder when that is exactly what would happen if you cut everyone loose to a system that takes everything they ever made to pay for something they have no control of. Libertarians do not live in reality and base everything on their greed.
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  1843. No that is a myth, Romeny does not raise prices on anyone to pay an extra 3% on his taxes. Giving the rich a tax cut and they throw it on the pile or invest it overseas but if you give it to the middle class they spend it and it goes back into the system. Trickle down is a failed theory that is espoused by the right because they only serve the people that it actually benefits. Nothing improved because of the tax cuts bush gave the rich and it certainly did not help his job creation numbers.
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  1844. They wanted to protect tax cuts for the richest who have gotten exponentially richer since the crash. They wanted to protect those tax cuts so badly they would not except tax cuts for everyone else as it would be a win for Obama. The GOP did not allow anything and no matter how many times you say they did it will never be true, it was totaly out of thier hands. Further captulating to a do nothing intransigent body whose polices are counter to what the presidient was elected on makes no sense.
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  1845. You guys do the same fact free talking points everywhere you spit them, where do you get this message as it rings nicely but does not represent the truth and ignores the reasons not so many even want to move to Africa. Africa will be full of Africans, Asia will be full o Asians Europe will still be full of Europeans. North America & South America will still be full of immigrants the real population having been subject to a genocide not long ago by the settlers. Racist is a code word for idiot.
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  1846. These idiots citing VARs need to be dismissed out of hand. They have no idea what they are talking about. No one should ever take medical advice from a clown like this caller!
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  1847.  Dr Downtime  More than the half wits filling up bars in Texas or Florida who became super spreaders
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  1848. Education needs to be talked about a standard. That is why all the worthwhile candidates have a strong position on it.
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  1849. This totally depends on how you define sentience and there is some debate on the definitive meaning of the word. You are correct under one pretty narrow definition and Conquered is as well under a more broad one.
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  1850. The right can not win in a war of ideas and instead are forced to fall back on the tyranny they actually crave.
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  1851. You have no fucking clue, you clowns are about to be shocked.
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  1852. All they can do is lie. They have no arguments, they have an empty manufactured candidate, they are propping up a staus quo people hate. The establishment is dishonest because they have no valid points.
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  1853. Catch south park or family guy? They roast pretty hard too.
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  1854. Unashamed fascist : "Everyone voting sounds unamerican to me"
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  1855. The GOP gave in on nothing and Obama has consistently capitulated with them and got nothing for it. The taxes were not raised the bush tax cuts which republicans force through in negotiations for the debt ceiling simply expired. The republicans never gave an inch. Obama has agreed to more spending cuts than any president over the last 40 years and still the right talks like he has not made one. Your entire narrative is false and is a set of empty talking points not backed up by facts.
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  1856. The fact is progressives and libertarians believe in many of the same things in spite of the spin of the right to the contrary. Where we differ is in the role of government and legislation in economics but socially we have a great deal more in common with you than the religious right does.
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  1857. If conservative science is not misused for religious spin then it is sold to the highest bidder.
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  1858. The DNC backs and funds him as the incumbent.
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  1859.  @gheller2261  Give it to the GOP then. He needs to be out of the party.
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  1860.  @RaspberryBang i have never pretended they were perfect. I do not think they are. They are incontestably better than the gop but that is like being biggest ant. That we have not overturned an corporately funded, media backed, entrenched establishment in two terms is no sign it can't be done. In fact we have already made great progress. We will bend or break them as we get stronger while they all run from policy popular with their base undermining their own vote counts. You got me wrong. I don't pretend they are perfect. They are ripe to taken over and if you actually want change this is the ONLY path that can change things now. Perfect or not the.justice dems change the converstaion. We need their efforts even if you see a third party as the ultimate option and they prime that effort too by spreading the same policy.
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  1861. I watch both, I think it is a matter of style.
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  1862. Romney's budget will put another 5 trillion dollar hole over 10 years in the deficit, he won't say how he will fill it in or what he will cut to balance it. We are supposed to believe the same tired rhetoric that if they just cut taxes more then everything will be fine, history disputes that claim. I have news for the clowns who would revise history the economy did not collapse because of taxes but greed and malfeasance by a group that the republicans do not want to regulate let alone tax.
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  1863. Shrug they are most certainly linked and if you examine the % of income they hold it is very proportional. Your spin about the retirees is a fail too as I am not proposing anyone pay on anything but based on income. That Romney pay less % in taxes than anyone in the middle class is sickening and that you support that and argue he pays less marks you as the trash. It consistently amazes me how you can have your priorities so ass backwards that you literally protect the robbers.
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  1864. Private clubs are the exception to the rule, not a reason to let bigots control public commerce. This is a naked call for racism backed by the state. Just like what he see's as the good old days.
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  1865. Look I don't know how to educate you but the fact is none of what you are saying is based on reality. There are no increased costs associated with the plan and the only people who are paying the penalty are people who can afford insurance but refuse to pay for it putting in our backs when they get sick. The 800k figure represents the 1/2% point the cbo expects the economy to shrink do to the ACA by 2021. It is not going to cost 800,00 jobs as morons like Paul Ryan try to spin it
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  1866. We know who is shutting down the government, America knows and that you think your ideas are popular or excepted means you more fact free than anyone could guess you were. When you say "my way or the highway" that exactly describes the republicans and they are going to pay for this electorally, mark my words. People know who owns this disaster and that you do not means nothing.
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  1867. At Cenks request.
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  1868.  @you8549  Stupid concern trolling, you are moron or a liar. Either way you serve corruption with your dishonest spin.
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  1869. He apparently is
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  1870. Romney did not write them the lobbyists who are paid for by the Romney's of the world with money from the tax cuts did. In effect he did write the tax code and you people have been bamboozled into thinking that is a good thing. The people you defend are gaming the system and getting richer because of it while despite a vast increase productivity our wages have remained flat for the 30 years. Every penny not paid by a billionaire comes out of your pocket or a service you need that they do not.
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  1871. They pay less than the average American far less as a % of their income, that is the crux of our argument. That a group of them have manipulated our government by buying it does not legitimize the process as much as you imagine it does to anyone who values fairness. The hardship of being at the top of the food chain comes at the cost of you having to give up a % of your massive wealth in the form of taxes. Your defense of the only people who are doing well in our system is astounding.
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  1872. The key is there has to single payer system available. We are not close to that and insurance companies are the root of our problem right now.
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  1873. The party of deregulation blames the other side for deregulating in states they never had power when the sh!t hits the fan.
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  1874. No chance, he is a dark side salesmen paid to distract NPC's from the fact nothing he supports does anything but prop up broken identity failures and policy that empowers his owners. He is all fail all the time and so is anyone that nods along with his empty nonsense in service to corruption.
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  1875. School vouchers are a just a marketing attempt by several big corporations to open a new business skimming money off the tax payers. Of the 10 best most successful systems on the planet not 1 of them is privatized. Our problem is not how much choice we have but the way the administration of our school system is failing us. It is being shown better results are possible while spending less money in a public system. We do need to address the problems in our schools, vouchers are not the solution.
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  1876. So what would they do if we gave them nothing? Are they choosing to be poverty stricken because we do not let them die by giving them a pittance? Welfare is about our children not starving, nothing about taking this away would change anything but the quantity shanty towns as seen in the third world.
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  1877. The media is not driven by the internet and if it was shows like the young turk's like programming would focus of more television content as they are proven successful as ratings generators. The reason these formats are not pushed by most of the media is because these shows messages are often contrary to the owning corporate interests (be they left or right leaning). Fox drives the programming it does because there is well defined rabid audience hungry for the content at no corporate cost.
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  1878. I do not agree, I still see them as entirely beatable as anyone who is paid to lose is. The fact that Bernie was not the attack dog we needed to rip it from their hands does not change the truth he has showed as path to do it. If you look at progressive priorities they all enjoy wide support among democrats and even some republicans. Letting the establishment democrats claim the terms centrist or moderate was Bernie's chief failing. Older voters who liked Bernie's "radical" policies voted for the"centrist" because they have been convinced only a "moderate" can win in the general by a dishonest media who have been interfering in elections worse than the Russians ever did for decades. The idea that someone who wants unending war is moderate is ludicrous, choosing insurance profits over american lives is not centrist if you look at the polling. The days of letting these corporate sellouts own the term moderate and trick older voters who only watch main stream have to end. We need to paint them as the radicals opening the door for the progressive who can step into the comfortable moderate title they have worked so hard to promote as a winner.
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  1879.  @newtonarock1802  Because the path to power is to rip it from their hands not leave them with institutional power and knives at our backs. Opting out is a valid choice but so is sticking around and fighting them.
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  1880. Perhaps you should set them side by side and look, That you do not see a difference does not say much for your perception skills.
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  1881. You are now just blathering. You think the rational if imperfect system I believe in should be called theft and violence, I get it already. You seem to like to redefine words expecting everyone else will know what you are talking about, clue in most don't. Because your murder/thief slurs have no context they mean nothing to anyone who does not understand you think taxes are theft and every murder by my government is mine. Typically this does nothing to further your point. Just saying ...
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  1882. It is encouraging attacks on homosexuals as we speak. In civilized countries who value freedom we do not ban people from expressing who they are and bigots do not get the right to enforce their backward clownish failings on anyone else. You calling me intolerant is a joke as you defend intolerance thinly masked under the guise of morality. You should be free to be a bigot all day long but not have the right to enforce you backward views into law.
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  1883. Says an anti american douche bag.
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  1884. Someone should tell this mop of hair that in English, words regularly have multiple meanings.
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  1885. The world knows who is doing the damage and in this case it has zero to do with the president. There are plenty of things to hack on the executive, this is not one of them. You conservatives do not care about the worlds security and consistently support polices that will destabilize it in the interest of a tiny minority. You can not even see the trees. When we have petulant aggressive children making decisions that affect the world we get the failures that typified Bush's presidency.
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  1886. Thank you! You nailed it.
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  1887. Bush he started 2 wars, one was most certainly under false pretenses. The war in Iraq has killed some 110,000 people so GB's hands are not free of blood. It was the Bush economy that collapsed just before Obama took office that you lay at Obama's feet. Bush never put the wars on the books and shamelessly passed the whole tab for both wars to be put under the next presidents name. Bush opened the door on warentless wiretaps, torture, rendition and corporate fraud, at worst Obama is bush light.
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  1888. It does seem that id toes = ANARCHISM when people like argue against the entire existence of the EPA. I do I want to see overreach checked sure but that is not the same as the effort to demonize the of the EPA. I do consider these cases but balance them against the good they do in regulating offender who once had free reign to poison or water and air. One side in this debate does not care about peoples health and it is not mine.
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  1889.  @amgoodridge  why should we not?
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  1890. You have debunked not one thing, all people have to do is read through your weak ass posts to know it. That you think you are winning this makes you look more deluded than you clearly are. You have zero valid points and have actually seen you type "they put up 4 clean bills" when the house leadership has clearly announced that he will not do so. The country knows whose fault this shutdown is, it is you who are willfully clueless.
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  1891. Even if he creates a whole lot you will still be a tiny minority, thank goodness.
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  1892. Yes, that is why I am furious.
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  1893. Because they will never agree to anything, this is a right wing plan watered down by right wing amendments not supported by a single right wing official. It is not a balanced budget we object to but the way they balance it on the back of the poor and them middle class while leaving the only people who are doing well under this system out. We can not keep spending the money we do but it is not our social programs that are killing us but corporate welfare and unrestricted military spending.
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  1894. Like every president we have had in the last 30 years
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  1895. Good riddance, if we could ship every clown like you over there this would be a better place..
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  1896. He is intolerant as his religious views demand, he has every right to think whatever religious nonsense he wants to but has NO right to demand it be enforced on anyone else. As long as he minds his own business and does not try to limit anyone else's rights because of his feelings you are correct, as it stands Ben would crush others rights to make himself feel better and there is no reason to support him in anyway.
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  1897. Thomas Sven Whittaker  Someones rights are being crushed in either case. Either you have universal rights to access to goods and services or we empower those with business to pick who and who can not access them. Either way someones rights are stepped on and the rules should be based on maximizing benefit for most. No one is forced to anything, Ben does not have to go to that party but fuck him if he does not as he is no friend. Ben does not have to make cakes, he elects to make cakes and he needs to put his bigotry aside and make them for all if that is his business. What your personal ethical codes is means nothing to me and only should effect you. If you can not sell cakes to gay people for what ever silly reason do not become a baker like a Mennonites do not become rocket scientists. Your ethical concerns are yours and should touch or limit no one else. No one is shifting power, these rules have been in place since we outlawed whites only diners and the bigots who fought against this move made the exact same arguments you make now and lost. This is a rehashing of long decided debate and your spin is no more valid now than it was when it was beaten before.
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  1898. Before watching I will give you the short answer, No.
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  1899. I sneer over your pathetic babble, they only get credit from fevered sociopaths with no link to reality. Get some help and you might see the world the way it is rather than the bizzaro version you get through your twisted lens. Your weak minded rambling about Obama only makes your position look crazier than it already is. The only people that buy your garbage are a shrinking minority of clowns for whom information, facts and the truth have no value.
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  1900. They work with chemicals, no regulations on safety is money in their pocket. They have workers, no employment standards suits them fine. For these guys it was never about smaller government, that is just a slogan. It is about government that does nothing to set limits or protect citizens while providing massive breaks and outright corporate welfare bought and paid for. They are working to gain the levers of power (and are succeeding) to enrich themselves at the cost of everyone else around them.
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  1901.  @semi-consciousamerican-joe2481  Probably more than Eric has done to earn anything he owns. Criminal or just another child of nepotism like the trump litter I do not care much about Hunter. The election was not about how entitled and corrupt Biden and Trump's children are, even if it was Trump would still have lost.
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  1902.  @semi-consciousamerican-joe2481  I am saying if I based my vote on their kids potentially acting as problematic surrogates for their father, I would not choose Trump over Biden. Complaining about nepotism while backing Trump is entirely tone deaf. It is like pointing out a potential leak on Joe's boat as Trump stands proudly on the Titanic.
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  1903.  @semi-consciousamerican-joe2481  I would be inclined to agree. Trumps entire presidency was a study in failure so your bright spot is appreciated. It warms my heart that people held onto the idea of change against the promise of more of the same in 2016 despite it being a myopic choice. Too bad they were to be deeply disappointed and did not get the change they craved either time. They were tricked by populist marketing that was not a honest view of how each would govern. In 2020 those same people saw Trump for what he was and that is why he lost. They had a choice of two establishment lackeys and chose the one that did not oversee the deaths of hundreds of thousands while pretending the virus was always about to go away.
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  1904. Obama might be the best of a bad lot but he is pretty bad. People who actually believe in progressive ideas need to stand up to him and point out loudly and clearly his failures. There is a lot of noise in complaints against him. Sadly the garbage has a tendency to drown out the real issues we all agree on. Until we can work as the majority we are we will never solve critical issues both the left and right think are very important.
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  1905. She did not run to end capitalism ... the spin that should be her agenda when we can not even get health care is putting the cart before the horse.
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  1906. Blame Missouri for not taking the medicare expansion that would cover her.
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  1907. When you advocate to ignore our constitution and create a defacto dictatorship you need to stop pretending to be american.
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  1908.  @RogerStarks  Right back at you horse worm medicine for a virus guy, lol.
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  1909.  @JB-pd3ir  You are wrong, it has not been approved in Japan, Dr. Haruo Ozaki in a press conference said he recommended to allow doctors to proscribe but the government has not done so. Only two drugs have been approved as of 28 August 2021 by the Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare for use against COVID-19 in Japan, Remdesivir and Baricitinib I am not against other treatments, but when doctors say they do not work I take the leap and believe them. Consensus is what matters in medicine and science. There is no sane reason to hate an approved vaccine and but buy anti worm medicine often in doses and concentrations meant for horses as great. The fact that no one authorizes it for that use should be a giant red flag. You should not be letting your favorite media choose your medicine. Anyone that acts as his own doctor has a fool for a patient.
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  1910. Still not slavery, so yaa.
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  1911. It has been a while since I saw them in a walmart .... wonder why?
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  1912. I guess every government but Clinton made no sense then.
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  1913. I can cite multiple liberal channels that had nothing but praise for rand Paul when he stood up and filibustered on the issue of drones recently. We call a spade a spade and are not driven by fear like the fact free right wing. We call Obama on his failures while knowing it is still better of we had elected Mitt the corporate robot. The right has no solutions and Obama's problems stem from his consistent capitulation to them coupled with the fact he is barely a progressive at all.
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  1914. I guess you do not speak to many for very long then as being lectured by you would likely be insufferable. It does not appear you have much to teach and I do not expect many would lower them self to be called your equal so I expect you are very lonely. In any case your random announcements no one cares about still have zero value, I was just being kind and letting you know in case you did not already.
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  1915. It is sickening to see some government subvert anyone's individual liberty for their political gain. There is this thing some of us have we call them principles.
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  1916. lol!
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  1917. Again you make statements that are not validated by history or the facts as anyone who cares to look will see. Until a major effort by elements that control our media and richly fund groups like the heritage foundation we had policy that was much more balanced approach to taxation. The change has fueled income inequality by taking money out of the hands of 90% and funneling all growth into the hands of a few. This has reduced demand becoming a self perpetuating cycle of the "need" for more cuts.
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  1918. Where has libertarianism been proven? Your ideology has the exact same problem as communism, its pure form can not survive contact with reality.
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  1919. I have not made up a single thing, you have lined up an army of straw men I have kicked them all down as the ignorant trash they are. You are an idiot who is a so partisan as you can not see beyond the end of your nose. Every bill they passed had their moronic riders attached and it is their partisan demands that shut down the government NOTHING ELSE. Youthink it is a good idea to capitulate to hostage takers but the vast majority of Americans know that if you give into terrorism you get more.
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  1920. Only the right cares about him, he is a powerless functionary and mouth piece. Little more.
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  1921. I simply don't agree, if you get married in any state it should carry to anywhere else in the union, If we had your way there would still be states who would deny interracial marriage and it should not be down to the bias of a region what rights any American gets. The legal implications associated with marriage with regard to access to family in hospitals are so important that they should be universally recognized and to argue otherwise is nothing but a path to suffering for families.
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  1922. Government funding makes it so an individual student does not have to go into debt for 20 years. Affordable education should be supported by all citizens as it affects all of us. Inefficiency is not part of this equation and you hit the real problem on the head in your last post, that is students are forced to starting life with huge debt just to get an education that qualifies them for good jobs. Your spin on it being a opportunity to capture the minds of the next generation is nonsense.
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  1923. I already know who friedman is and as for the debt clock, it will explode if the republicans ever get their crazy budget passed.
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  1924. Our system does not lower costs and it is precisely the "free market" element that keeps them high. As long as insurance companies can charge more to cover rising costs their participation in the cycle guarantees our prices will continue to rise and be much more expensive to comparable any the successful many public systems . The belief that the free market is the solution to every problem is not based on facts and is directly sponsored by heal insurance companies who offer zero value.
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  1925.  @ricomajestic  There were giants then, but don't agree. As a comic you have much more freedom now than the era of the "moral majority" and empowered church ladies' that wanted to ban anything trigging them all backed by the networks.
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  1926. It is not an abortion drug no matter how much you ignorantly want to assert it is.
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  1927. Louie is always the dumbest man in any room he is in.
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  1928. You are right we consistently have the choice between a giant douche and a shit sandwich. I choose the douche as I just can not stand the taste of shit that voting republican leaves behind. Both are parties are fundamentally corrupt, but one is insane.
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  1929. Total fucking nonsense, if anyone handed the election to Trump it is hillary! She lost, she was shitty cheater and spat on her own base. Your spin is both counter productive and base stupid as you defend cancer.
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  1930. The fact is there are plenty of leftist Christians, they should be the ones yelling loudest at this fat fart bucket.
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  1931. These idiots either do not know, or do not care what communism means. I am fine with that, it is always a hard mask off moment when they misuse it. The only people that nod along with them are the other morons who do not know or care what communisms means.
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  1932. This is not the place to negotiate passed legislation and everyone with a brain knows this. None of this is about making the legislation better, the clowns in question tried to make it defunct 37 times. Anyone with half a brain knows they just want to kill it and anything short of that is a delay until they try killing later. There should be no negotiation with terrorists who hold our country hostage. Time for them to put a clean bill up and it will pass.
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  1933. Australia is part of NATO, no one is attacking a NATO country. They want the subs there, you do not need them there. Subs are a last resort defensive weapon to launch nukes.
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  1934.  @warlordofbritannia  All NATO subs no matter where they are on the planet protect Australia. If they are based out of Australia or not changes nothing about their deterrence value. Even in the Baltic sea or north Atlantic, these subs deter attacks on NATO soil.
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  1935.  @warlordofbritannia  I am saying no matter where those subs are based they are equally effective as a deterrent. Australia is protected by membership. Numerous NATO states do not allow for nuclear weapons or platforms on their soil or ports, they are just as protected as the ones that do allow it.
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  1936.  @afauxican_american  Not the way they are doctrinally used. They are capable missile platforms, that is their primary role in the modern military. But their chief strength is stealth and they expose themselves to launch any munitions. Meaning they are better saved to launch their most effective payloads.
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  1937.  @warlordofbritannia  The point is where the subs are based is irrelevant, all NATO subs no matter where they are based effectively protect Australia.
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  1938.  @warlordofbritannia  Buddy did say the ones off their coast protected them, the point is that sub protects them no more than the North Atlantic subs do.
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  1939.  @afauxican_american  That they can be used for a preemptive strike does not mean they will be. The fact is NATO has specific engagement protocols that do not include a focus on first strike scenarios. This lowers subs usefulness in NATO forces. So as you point out most subs carry nuclear pay loads. The few that do not would be attached as part of a task force for reconnaissance and act as stealth missile boat duty. But they are in the minority. They are treated as more of a response weapon, a hedge that is a significant part of our nuclear deterrent. NATO has trained for first strike scenarios but that cuts against the mutual protection pact doctrine.
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  1940.  @afauxican_american  They launched missiles, no more of a first strike than the missile cruisers which did the same thing. Many militaries do not even have them because of their limited value. Nothing a sub did in Iraq could not have been handled by any number of surface vessels. There are few missions in modern warfare that only subs can perform. They may be valuable as a first strike weapon but given NATO is a mutual protection pact, that truth has less application value because NATO is made to be deterrent and not typically an invasion/first strike force.
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  1941. I do have a plan, you are the one who imagines he can "work within the system". We need a Constitutional Convention to amend the constitution to set up public campaign financing and outlaw "donations" to elected officials. This would take away the element that drives a desire to "reform" social security despite massive bipartisan public support for it.
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  1942. You talk of substance abusers here while defending a country where alcoholism is out of control and drug use is up 10 fold from 1990. If you want free health care there are there is a long list of countries that do a better job than your backward dictatorship does. The American system leaves a lot to be desired ranking at 38 but If you want quality health care do not go to Russia as it ranks 130 down near the bottom of the list. There is nothing desirable about your hell hole except to bigots.
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  1943. Reince: If you do the projects you want to I will take my ball and go home. Networks: Don't let the door hit you in the ass whiny kid, call us if you change your mind.
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  1944. I would not know as you are the one who is all about projection. But it is good to see you are true to form and do not address anything that is ever said to you but again attempt to label others with your own attributes.You say everyone you disagree with belongs to a cult, yet your belief in an idea that has never had a working model is cultish. You are asked simple questions you can not answer then accuse the others of avoiding the point. Congrats, you make libertarians look more clueless.
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  1945. That is no reason to do nothing, we already have a set giant ultra profitable (at our expense) corporations who are funding the argument we should do nothing and the pathetic spin there is nothing to be done on climate change. That you think we should continue along with business as usual only plays into their short sighted narrative that enriches their current bottom line against the common good and will cost us a great deal more if we follow your proposed path.
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  1946. The party you support does not give a shit about heath care and they prove it with their every action. They denied the GOP the right to pick and choose what they fund so they do not look like the monsters they are. They should fund everything or nothing and it is not their job to pick and choose what gets passed.
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  1947. Where are the complaint forms to remove tax exempt status from political groups posing as religion.
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  1948. Your preference completely irrelevant and should have no bearing on this decision or any one like it. Why is it so hard for you conservatives to conceptualize that your arbitrary demands for self control are not even practiced by your own children. You are against abortion, against birth control, against support for the poor. Everything you stand for is about enslaving poor woman in a cycle poverty along with the children you would force on them. There is nothing moral about your stand.
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  1949. That is bull, jobs are created for one reason demand and it has nothing to do with what the owner pays in income tax, nothing. It is a fact free assertion to say otherwise.
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  1950. Low skilled workers are precisely the ones protected by a minimum wage. We will always need people to fill these jobs and weather you value them or not they are necessary for ever business that employs them. Arguing that they do not deserve to be paid respectfully or that we as nation should be subsidizing these employers by handing out food stamps to their workers is only playing into the greed of very profitable corporations like walmat whose talking points you faithfully parrot.
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  1951. How do you imagine they will be made poor, the only people who are getting rich in our system is them as they do not pay their fair share by your own numbers.
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  1952. The idea civilisation is a going to collapse because of low birthrates is nonsense, we have plenty of humans.
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  1953. For every "failed green energy company" there will more successes, but go ahead and ignore that fact while you gloss over the the billions of dollars we hand out to oil companies who are among the richest most profitable corporations in history. They do have a strangle hold as they openly buy our leaders and have invested some 100 million dollars in lobbying just the last year. They game the system so that for now their product is like oxygen and we are all forced to consume it.
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  1954. Communists? She blames Jan 6 on communists? Anyone nodding along with this halfwit Candice has empty space between their ears.
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  1955.  @glennjanot8128  This validates my point, there were always Karen's freaking out about what was on TV. They have always tried to cancel things they dislike. In Jerries' "golden era", they did not have to. The studio's largely did it for them.
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  1956.  @glennjanot8128  For sure, the moral majority was always trying to get one thing or another canceled. They were so Karen like it often backfired on them.
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  1957. I really hope they do put rand up (which they won't) he will lose SO BIG!
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  1958. Affirmative action was a move to break age old of discrimination that kept woman and minorities out of specific jobs for generations, this was institutionalized during a period it before legal equality was even achieved. Many progressives have issues with this particular initiative because of the perception of enforced inequality. Its best argument is that our public employees social make up more should more closely reflect their community when historically this was not true when left to nature.
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  1959. It is a red state, among the redist of the red states. That you are calling them democrats is a joke. Even your numbers do not support your position and out of all the states MS is the state where he Obama lost by 10 points when which is fare below the national average. Your argument is a failure and it is not a surprise a state this messed up is against gay marriage and no one sane calls it progressive.
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  1960.  @barbiquearea She did not have to prove it, she is a child and can not consent to sex. All sex with her is legally rape. She does not have to prove anything to qualify.
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  1961. The soul of the country? Just because she wants everyone's soul to sell too does not mean we should hand it over.
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  1962. Hard to paint him as an enemy of the left when he has no power over it. Key is a not a friend to the Russian oligarchs of the right, that is about as good as we can expect from Ukraine.
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  1963. The both do suck, but the differences that there are really do matter. Your argument that Romney would be better for the economy is completely unfounded and is plainly right wing rhetoric of no value. Where Romney would most certainly hurt us is if he was allowed to pick the next supreme court justice and we can all breath a sigh of relief that another Scalia will not be put on the stand. Newsflash: Libtard does not mean anything outside your ignorant fact free right wing bubble.
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  1964.  @floatinspaceboy  How so?
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  1965. They are empty attacks that will end up making those who use them look even more dishonest. Concern trolling about decade old tweets to protect your corporate owners is a bad look for any politician but especially for a dem running against someone that correctly and clearly calls out their corruption.
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  1966.  @GrammarOfficerKrupke Jimmy is a dishonest stain, he is betraying what he pretends to support by attacking the only people in power that remotely back what he says he wants. I actually care about these polices and his "effort" only drags us further from them. He will continue to shit on our allies over tactics as sold out no matter what they do, it is what he does. He is popular with a brand of very (justifiably) angry former bernie supporters and right wingers who love that he shits on the libs. Anyone who is thoughtful see's Jimmy for exactly what he is, useless.
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  1967. No need, just replace the for profit insurance companies and renegotiate service prices to be consistent and make their collections a 1000 times easier. Our problem is not our hospitals but how we pay for them and the intensives that drive that.
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  1968. So many dumb and incorrect statement and out right lies locked in one post good work. The ACA will cut government spending and save us billions of dollars over the next few years The hours cut is unsubstantiated garbage, employers only hire when there is work to be done. No other reason. People who make a certain amount will be fined if they go without insurance, this is the core of haritage foundation plan. Everyone who is not a partisan hack knows the republicans are to blame.
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  1969. Vaccine heart attacks are just like a skinned knee, back to work the next day.
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  1970. Thetruth908  In stone, there has never been a more critical time to to stand up and vote.
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  1971. They all have a single payer system of one sort or another. No one has a primary private market for health insurance except us.
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  1972. @Nuance Is Good What is your point even if that stat is true?
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  1973. Yes I did. What questions did your oil company cronies ask you to ask. I agree it is tiresome, the right wing is famous for not only disparaging science but simply ignoring any it that does not agree with. That there is a difference of opinion is business as usual but when the vast majority call goes in one direction it gives selected the idea credibility, that is how it it works. That you think there is any real support for the the fossil fuel spin means you are out of touch or are a shill.
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  1974. I am not enforcing anything I was explaining it to you. I think equity leads to freedom for the people who were formerly on the bottom of the pile. Freedom should not mean freedom dominate and discriminate against another group because of the color of their skin, their sex or any other arbitrary characteristic people divide themselves on. There is no evidence the private schools would be any better and the countries who have the best system in the world are all public. We should copy them,
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  1975. The dumbest most ignorant bigots will flock to Russia, good you can have them as they will not be happy here where we value freedom.
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  1976. Glen was once worth listening to, he has gone full mask off and serves the same function as Tucker in service to corruption and the status quo.
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  1977. For every black lives matter or antifa terrorist there are two right wing counter terrorists breaking things trying to start what they call a race war. It is very telling that even as these monsters murder cops not a peep about them from losers like this.
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  1978. @Campo87  Kids are not being mutilated. That is dishonest hyperbole to attack people you do not understand over your stunted feelings, a lie to pretend you are not hateful
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  1979. Been a third world country for a while, the entire GOP and the crony capitalists in the Democratic party own that failure.
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  1980. Nice reference ...
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  1981. With ya ..
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  1982. They have no freedom, if one person is denied freedom it is only so long before they take away the freedom from the next group. A country run by a dictator who is driven by ultra nationalists who appeal to the very weakest minds in their country has nothing to teach us and that you imagine they do marks you as clueless and below our contempt
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  1983. This woman being interviewed is a case study in overt ignorance and the power of propaganda to confuse the definitively stupid.
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  1984. What is petulant is the establishment losers demanding to have control when it was their strategy that lost practically every level of government at the federal and state level. What is petulant is the DNC ignoring half their base and every policy that would get them actually elected to continue to serve donors that cost them 10 of millions of votes. When we get unfair systemic resistance to voter driven candidates running for elected office we should be mad, there is no reason to defend the establishment tipping the scales to stay in power because their ideas can not carry them.
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  1985. Your entire spin is nonsense.What you are concerned about is not a problem compared with the issues this ruling solves. Any parent who lets their 10 year old get pregnant and then leaves them on their own long enough to go to 7 pharmacies to pick up the morning after pill is so negligent no set of rules will can protect them. It is in fact more likely your child that will get pregnant at 12 because no one ever talks to them about sex, so says the numbers coming out of the red states.
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  1986. More fact free talking points, everyone who could read, read the bill.
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  1987. I simply do not agree, it is changing the family not destroying it. Woman are demanding their place in control of society they have always been denied for good reason. Your spin on why they need support is weak drivel as they do have to overcome innate bias that is in the system borne of centuries of a misogynist tradition. There will be a day this levels out but for the moment legislation will be needed to help the process along. In the end it will mean we hire based on the person nothing else.
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  1988. They hate when people vote, low turnouts in specific polling places only are their best chance to win.
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  1989. They want to be able to crush the rights of others overt their feelings, those who have no tolerance should not expect any
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  1990. Blue Jay Any policy like deregulation of the banks was fully supported by the republicans who are wholly owned by the same people who drove the Clinton economic agenda. His failure was agreeing with them. Pretending the Democratic polices that have hurt black people and working people were done in a vacuum and not also supported by the gop means you are poorly informed or dishonest. The fact is the democrats have moved toward being like the GOP economically as they came to be owned by the same people. The change since the 80's in the democrats is a study of them moving right economically against the views of their base. The worst of these policies area gop mainstay and they do not even pretend otherwise. Saying the democrats have been worse is just false and gives cover to clowns who are regularly openly racist and have openly racist followers and cheerleaders. There is a group who has openly maintained the policies that in the last decades have deeply hurt the black community, as bad as they are the establishment democrats do not own that title.
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  1991. Blue Jay It is the misleading framing I object to. You blame Clinton and the democrats in general for deregulation of the banks conveniently forgetting they had a gop congress and senate that passed those bills. Ignoring that fact and putting it on the democrats alone is dishonest partisan nonsense of no value. You have every right to be more disappointed at the democratic failures because they were supposed to be better but that does not make them objectively worse by any normal standard. They would actually have to be worse or you would have to show how the GOP was better to make this assertion of yours stick. Look at history of the failed do nothing drug war which has imprisoned millions black people and shattered their families. This is owned by the GOP and was literally used as tool to attack constituencies that did not support them. Every step at deregulation or trade policy that saw outsourcing of the black communities manufacturing jobs was fully backed by the GOP. Every three strikes law, every expansion of the industrial prison complex, every cut to funding to help communities or pay education is always supported by the GOP. They have gerrymandered the districts to minimize the value of black votes while changing and wrote voter laws to disenfranchise them and stop them from voting entirely. This whole trope that the democrats are worse for black people is nothing but spin to help otherwise good people ignore every KKK member on the planet votes for the GOP and no one in the white supremacist movement has voted for a democrat since before desegregation. The spin that the dems are worse is directly from the mouth of clowns who spit racist tropes and ignore what group (conservatives) have systemically been at the root of the problems facing black people since the beginning even as the democratic establisghment were sometimes complicit as they chased the same money. The democrats have failed us all because they have sold out, but the GOP is fully owned. The democrats are the Washington generals to the GOP's Harlem globe trotters of corruptions and are therefore implicated in many of the economic failures they mutually push. That being said pretending the dems have been worse for the black community in the last 50 years is dishonest nonsense spin.
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  1992. I loathe morons who half wear their masks. They might as well not have it on.
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  1993. I look forward to watching them try, I really hope he is they guy you people pick to run for you. He has no chance.
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  1994. And was then pardoned, that is because he broke the law for the administration. It is sicking their rule of law mean nothing as long it is broken in the governments name.
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